What changed with Surface Duo's MASSIVE 12L update and what is missing?
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Great to see your dog back behind you. Very glad to see he is improving from the scare a while back. Keep the great content coming Shane, really appreciate it.
We're a couple days removed from surgery and he's making good progress!
Glad to see your dog is doing okay. Keep spirits high! I treat my dog like he's my own child. He's only 3 but I dread anything happening to him. Onto the Duo, I came close to wanting to sell my Duo 2. The glitches I'd mentioned in previous videos have all seemingly disappeared. You can tell Microsoft put a lot of work into this big update. The worst glitch I had was opening my phone into phone mode (from locked) and it would go landscape almost all the time and I'd have to force it back. That's gone. I am in love with the phone again. I wish there were more radical changes, but overall I'm very happy it's just cleaner looking and, in my experience since the update, 100% bug free. It's just been perfect. All I really want is RUclips Music to be made landscape compatible for when I'm driving. I put my phone into laptop mode and it sits comfortably in front of gear stick and RUclips Music just doesn't look right in its current landscape form lol
Hi Shane, I started watching you prior to getting my Duo so 8d know what to expect. It's nice to watch someone who is knowledgeable, helpful, and explains things in a layman's way. I love tech, but I'm not super savvy. Thanks.
I appreciate this video. I’ve been trying to work my way through the new platform. I’m enjoying the changes, but it it a lot of them.
Thanks for the update videos, interesting start to the video, its dope. just wanted to state on my duo 1, the scrolling screenshot works without any issues.
Great post Shane! always in depth and useful.
(Ditherer:S10>S22 or SD2) Many thanks for keeping us so updated, Shane. I was impressed with Panos's interview during the recent MS event. He seems a guy who would 'stick' at it. Your alert ref. SD1's price-reduction was helpful, but would the lure of the low price be outweighed by that Model being unsupported in a short while as SD3 nears?
"It's the small things that make so much difference." Spot-on! Colours: actually I find the pastel colours on your screen really cool. Terrific summary, Shane. I shall watch the balance later today.
Agreed, Great summary! Lots of little tweaks here and there discovered so far, thanks.
Sadly I'm one of those who isn't a big fan of the forced pastel, although I can see the novelty!
It's just mine is mainly used as a fairly serious business device for lots of MS Office 365 apps
(often for quickly presenting concept ideas, test data, research, etc, during conversations with senior directors, board members, CTOs, etc.. )
I can deal with the occasional questions/scepticism/intregue about the (dual screen) format by explaining it is genuinely useful and not just a foldable-fashion gimmick, but the fact that it looks like I've chosen baby-pinks or blue or green accents weirdly undermines my point and is quite distracting somehow? 🤷😂
Honestly I'd just be very happy for white, however dull that may seem..
Otherwise, lots of great positive steps forward this update!.. Dual app instances are potentially very powerful, and I'm finally registering 'deep sleep' power state and low power draw with the screen off overnight (a few %)
Hi Shane, "Capture more" does work on my Surface Duo 1! I didn't know this existed until this video but it does in fact work exactly as you described. First time I comment on your videos so I take the chance to say, Great job! Your videos are fantastic!
Weird.. Not on mine lol
@@scaryifliteral It works on my SD1 as well, HOWEVER, only if I use my slim pen 2 to capture a screenshot which is kinda weird
Thanks Shane, two questions, is there an improvement on screen rotation especially on Surface duo original? Also does it work now as good as Samsung with windows phone connect? Honestly those two issues frustrated me when I had surface duo and thus sold it, and I might consider giving it another shot if things improved. I will not go for Duo 2 because I don’t like the new camera bump..
I could not believe seeing A12L on my Duo... I have to test but looks pretty good, I love to have alternatives and even if I stay with my Fold4 as a primary device, I will again put the sim into Duo2 and go out 😀
Great update overall me thinks.. nicely done..
For me the standout huge improvement is the device performance and touch recognition.. Absolute game changer.. For me the scrolling and performance has increased at least 50% not to mention I can touch type now as fast as I want, without having to wait for the missing keys/keyboard lag.. So much different.. Those were my 2 main gripes with the device and they sorted both.. I couldent have asked for a better update. I am not a huge camera user kind of person, so for me the crap camera isn't a deal breaker on the og duo. I do wish they had included that little bump with the circle recess.. That would have been cool. Better camera would have made this og duo a really awesome phone. Even without, I like it a lot,esp now after 12l :)
I have some lags and drops in Framerate mostly when I am multi tasking and both screens are doing its stuff. Didn't have these problems in android 11! Even though I did a clear install and reset my device after the upgrade!
Excellent Video, my friend! Have you experienced the DUO2 freezing up on you since the new OS has been installed? It has happened to me twice, so far. I've had to long press on the power button and click restart to get it functioning again.
It's funny, I know a lot of people like animations but to me it just makes devices feel laggy due to everything taking a bit longer to happen, I always end up turning off my animation in developers options, so I didn't even know they changed animations on 12L on my Duo since I already had them turned off.
I am just curious about streaming apps that were not compatible with dual screen when playing full screen.
Hah, the press and hold for assistant actually annoyed me on the p7 because I don't use it and i wanted the power menu 😅
Great work as always!
On the Pixel, there's an option in "Settings -> System -> Gestures -> Press and hold power button" to change the behavior. So if you don't like it activating Assistant, you can disable that and just get the power menu. Microsoft went out of their way to disable and hide that Android 12 setting so we don't get a choice on Surface Duo.
@@reidjim76 ah! Thanks for letting me know
Neat. It's cool to see the animations being displayed. I always shut them off.
The new animation for closing apps DOES work for apps in the bottom bar when folded. It only doesn't work when the Duo is unfolded. Interesting behaviour quirk that will hopefully be addressed.
Thanks, great overview. One note...the option to choose/change where your music is playing (i.e. phone speaker, headphones, etc.) has been present on Duo before the 12L OS update (for at least a little while).
IIRC, it's just a bit different now. I think it showed up with a11?
Hi Shane. Many thanks for the update. I'm looking to buy the duo 2 but you scared me with what you had to say about the Google assistant. 1. Does this device have the Google assistant working or does it not? 2. I have read some posts from a year ago about owners complaining about the assistant lagging the device and that it instantly becomes better and lag-free straight after disabling the assistant. Have you come across anything like this yourself? 3. Finally, that case you have for your fold 4, the one with the strap handle on it, do you know if there is something like this available for the duo 2?
Ooh some hot tips! Thanks! Not a fan of losing the red notification dot. The pastel themes are pretty incipid not a fan at all! Would like the option of "no theme/default". Nothing shouts quietest than a pastel notification... #RantEnds
Yes exactly! also the notification dots (I use the numbers overlaid in the dots) are MUCH harder to read when glancing at them when pastel.. It sort of undermined the point of using them for me!
There is a conversation widget, it's bugged too I believe, if you scroll down it's under a section called system ui. Then has the same placeholder as the top rows of widgets.
Just got my new Duo 2! Coming from iPhone, I feel like I jumped 10 years into the future! The multitasking that this thing can do at the same time, is ridiculous! My iPhone was lagging and heating up with just one app opened. Duo 2 is an amazing piece of technology.
Thanks for your message bc I am about to do the same. did you us an app to migrate apps/data to duo2 ?
@@MrAfroGroove I used Google One. It will be recommend while you set up the duo. You can download it already from the app store and start uploading contacts, pics, etc. They will appear at your duo once you set up the email.
@@xavi_117 Thank you very much. will do
I'm pretty sure I have a bug with my notification shade. When I open a notification from the shade, the message opens and then the shade automatically re-appears instead of closing. A quick swipe up is all I need to get rid of it, but it's still a minor annoyance.
Did you try to bring back separated Wifi and Mobile data quick settings with adb?
What calendar are you using on your far left screen?
Hi Shane maybe you can help me with my Surface Duo 1, do you know what's the floating menu on the right side of my screen? it appeared after upgrading to 12L and I cannot get rid of it, it contains "Microsoft launcher" and "My Phone connection" (or something like that), sorry I don't know how to upload images in here
After updating to 12 my external display no longer works. I get an empty desktop with a clock in the center and the mouse cursor, but there's nothing on it and no way to access any apps or do anything with it. It's really frustrating. Worked fine in 11. It's really frustrating when a basic function I was using a lot just suddenly breaks with no explanation.
On Surface Duo one my only gripe so far is that my left screen will be unresponsive at times. Like if I pull down a notification nothing works. But if I pull it down on the right screen it will. Also Pokemon Go is great on the Duo. I like having pvpoke or an evolution calculator on the second screen when sorting through my Pokemon.
Anyone know where the settings for MS Launcher are in 12L on the Duo 2?
One of the features I was hoping would change but didn't is that they would stop putting a box around the icons.
Task bar would be useful to switch apps when apps are occupying both screens already. Taskbar on the Fold 4 is not just for putting 2 apps up at the same time. It can be used to quickly pull up a different app.
You can only ever have two apps though. Why not just go home on one screen and then open the app? You're always one swipe away from all your apps already.
What about performance of the device? Did you notice any improvement with 12L?
Hard to say tbh. Nothing significant if at all.
Best thing about "new" animations or A N Y animation is turning them off in Developer Settings and speed-up the phone!
Is this update (12 L) available for surface duo 1
The taskbar still makes sense because it’s always there unlike the launcher. If you have apps on both duo screens, you’d be able to simply replace either app (or both with app pairs) with different apps with one tap or swipe.
The question though is whether or not it's easier to drag an app up from the taskbar (or the app drawer in the taskbar) or just wipe up and go home and lunch an app from your home screen. Obviously, when going from one app to two apps it is extremely easy to just launch an app from your other screen. When replacing what are those apps is a tap hold and drag really significantly easier or more efficient than a swipe up to go home and then a tap?
@@scaryifliteral I guess it depends on the habit. I often drag stuff off the dock to replace one of existing apps, on iPad, Samsung Tab and Fold, so i'm sort of used to being able to do that, as opposed to having to go back to home. Depends on what the apps in question are too. I'll often have e.g youtube on one side, and browser on the other, and drag a messenger or chat up over the browser to respond or send something without interrupting the video. I realize in Duo's case it doesn't matter much cause you can "go back to home" on just one side without interruption, but it's a habit :)
Also, there's something to be said about other edge cases like being able to quickly dip in and out of pairs of apps too, or temporarily replacing just one screen of a dual screen spanning app (e.g. e-book reader) with say, a chat or email. Having a launcher/dock just seems like a slightly sleeker and slightly less clunky way to deal with multitasking.
Android 12L is a huge step forward. It finaly smooth UI animations, custom colors, a fresh New look, and... beter pen support!!! But there is still al lot room for improovements on the pen front. This should be integrated on a far deeper level. With more features. Where are all the courrier pen based gizmos?
Battery life is improved a lot, also hid the annoying accessability icon with gesture launch
That blue icon on the 1th half of the screen looked like a Windows logo on Wondows 11
Does anyone know how to span Microsoft Office Word? I can span Microsoft Office, but not Word 🫠. Please help anyone. Thank you, cheers.
Hi Craig, A couple of issues you might be able to solve.
Since Android 12L update, when I turn my screen back on the phone hang until, I presume, something wakes up. I cant press any icons for a few seconds.
Daily I pull down the control center and tap on or off wifi. This seems to have gone in the update. You have to open up the menu and press the wifi toggle.
Lastly. All my apps that try hit wifi up when it has reception hangs now. Example. Playing a game, get to a tube station when it would connect to wifi. It doesn't have time to before setting off again but the game / spotify / sound cloud just hands as its trying to log on to wifi.
On the plus side, at least the Bluetooth has improved somewhat. Hope you dog is doing well.
The closest thing I've seen is the screen just staying black for maybe a second before it fully wakes up, but that isn't new. If your issue persists after a reboot I'd look in my running services in dev mode and see if anything looks weird there.
The Wi-Fi toggle thing is an A12 problem which I will look into a fix for. There may be something out there.
Not sure what to make of the last issue.
I am using Phonak hearing devices, and with Android 12L on Duo2 I can't use bluetooth streaming anymore (they do pair, but won't appaer as headset). The Phonak app remote control works fortunately. On Android 11 everything worked well. Anyone experienced similar issues with bluetooth headsets?
Not good, I hope you find a fix for that!
already tried:
- remove/add + Uninstall Phonak app
- developer mode -> Disable Bluetooth A2DP hardware offload
- Reset network/bluetooth
- Factory reset
- Reload ROM image via usb
In all cases permissions (like Phone calls and Medio audio) do not appear in device details. I tried other devices (like Marshall wireless headset) which do work well.
I spent hours the other day testing out third-party calendar widgets and tweaking them to match the new aesthetic. I was trying to replace the Outlook Calendar widget because it looks outdated now. So much effort and in the end I went back to Outlook because the third-party options all have one major drawback: They work through google calendar. So first you have to sync your outlook with google calendar and then the third party pulls it's info from Google. But Google calendar changes the color coding of all your events and there's no way to edit them. That's if you're doing it through Android. If you try to do all the syncing and what not through a desktop browser then you can actually edit the color coding. So perfect, right? Nope, now the calendar you imported is just a static that will never update... Can you tell I'm frustrated?
I've actually gone back to Google's calendar. It's close enough for me I guess.
task bar will be useful if you are using full screen app
I'm sure there will be times when it might be useful, I'm just not sure that that use case is broad enough to be worth including.
I noticed you have the new logo for messages, I'm not seeing it, but I know it's updated. Did you do anything different to get the new logo?
Beta channel
@@scaryifliteral ah that explains it! Thank you.
Hello The new clock widget when using scalloped clock it is cutoff at the bottom or a flat bottom of the clock anyone else having this issue
You have to expand the widget then you can get the full view
No update still for locked ATT Duo 1 :(
Based on all the comments I'm reading, that may be a good thing. It seems this update is filled with bugs and shit not working properly.
Peek notification doesn't seem to work like before
Rutherford!
If you enable Force Desktop mode in the Developer Options, when you connect an external display you can launch the Microsoft RDP app in the lower-right corner of the external display. I already had the Microsoft RDP app, so not sure if it's tied to an enterprise account or not. The only annoying thing I noticed is that you need to keep your phone unlocked.
Yes but that seems to be the *only* thing you can do with it now, for whatever dumbass reason.
For the algorithm. ✊
Its a nice update, I would have liked to have seen more apps adapting to the dual screen layout when spanned, that's the only draw back I see with this phone sometimes. Hopefully more developers will make use of this form factor but as its not as popular as your standard large screen phones it may not happen.
Agreed. A good update, and I hope we get fancy two screen apps in time.
2 Browser Windows: Edge always had "Open in new window" in the context menu. So I had 2 Edge windows open at the same time since October 2021 😏
It used to be even better than that. You used to be able to launch Edge, then click the icon again on another screen and just launch another one.
My screenshot stopped working when it upgraded to 12
My game pass is not working after the update wonder if anyone else is experiencing this too
ruclips.net/video/YbaUg8Euj7s/видео.html
Maybe try the Game Pass beta. Works for me.
It's a Microsoft device it has to be tailored to the Microsoft philosophy. If it was done with everything that you guys think is missing then it would be a Samsung device or just a Google device. But it's not it's a Microsoft device so let's just be happy that it's a Microsoft device and it works unlike others.
Pretty much some UI elements look different but nothing really novel with how I interact with the device. My first reaction with 12L is, "that's it?"
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The unlocking animation is sooo annoying.
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Without Google's OS Taskbar and improved Multitasking. This is Android 12, NOT 12L as Google Intended for Large Screens and Tablet. 12L (full features) could be acheivabe on the Rumored Next Single Screen Device that we have seen the patent. On my Z Fold 4...on the outer screen it behave as Android 12 and on the unfolded inner screen it behaves as 12L.
This is simply not true. There is more to 12L, which is really more like 12.5, than just a taskbar. Just like on my Pixel, the taskbar doesn't make sense on Duo. The dual panel notification shade doesn't make sense on Duo. The new APIs CERTAINLY do and we can already see them at work. All the changes of 12L are in 13, but on devices where they don't make sense they aren't enabled. Is my Pixel not running 13 now because the taskbar isn't there? Of course not.