Jason, thank you for doing solar testing. I know it’s time consuming but you do it well. I’m a long time subscriber and don’t text much but I thought it important for you to know you are appreciated. 👍🏽
What a great review. I am looking at purchasing one of these. Currently we are experiencing the bomb cyclone going through our community just south of Lake Tahoe. This past week, we have had two extensive power outages due to our utility company's proactive stance on cutting the power in certain areas to reduce the chance of wildfires. I believe our power was cut off for a total of 24hrs for both events. Luckily I have an RV that has about 1.6KW of solar power with two 300amp LifePO4 batteries. To keep from freezing, I ran an extension cord from the RV to the propane furnace blower. I also ran an extension cord to our fridge to keep it cold. The rest of the house was powered off including the 240v well. I believe that I could use the Jackery Solar Gel. 5000 Plus to keep more items functioning. But, if I heard you correctly, if the unit is in charging mode, then you can't get 240v out of it, only 120v. My plan during a power outage would be to have the unit plugged into my RV for charging purposes, and the unit would power the items in my house that I feel are critical. But, I won't be able to run my well pump while it is in charging mode. Did I understand that correctly? BTW, I don't think this would be a show stopper as I could manage the 240v needs by just pausing the charging.
Its taken me a couple of days to get through this video because I didn't want to miss anything. Great detailed review. I bought a small Jackery years ago because we needed power in a vehicle to run a nebulizer and the plug in the truck couldn't be relied on. This shows me that its not just for small solutions. Looking forward to learning more from your videos and using your links when ready to purchase! Thanks.
Great Video!!! This has won me over the F3800. Jakery took everything the Anker f3800 fell short in and improved their version. I will probably get this.
I am/was regretting buying the f3800 but even after watching a million videos and this one, I still don't see the benefits (for me at least) of AC charging and 240v output..... Can someone explain why this is such a big deal to people. So power goes down at your property.... Battery power house via 240v...... Where and why do you need to AC charge it at the same time... especially if grid is down? Maybe if I'm using it in an RV and the battery is super low or dead.... I can plug it in the campground outlet... Idk I'm so confused why people are hung up on this quirk. Also, solar input on Anker. For me, being in the desert 2400w is plenty. It'll charge from dead in apparently 1.6 hours which is awesome. I'm debating going with the server rack battery ($1,300) to expand the capacity and plugging it in the solar DC port but then you need to charge that battery via solar (off-grid here) so I'll need an inverter. Eg4 yellow one is $800......which puts you at $2100.... Not to mention a rack of some sort for the server rack battery.......or you buy the Anker expansion battery for $2100 and it's one simple plug....not as much capacity I'll admit but the added expense for cables for server rack batteries...... Can you hook up multiple server rack batteries in either series or parallel? (I don't know much about this stuff if you couldn't tell) .... I'm just bouncing around trying to sort out what direction to go.
Totally understand in your scenario it might not be a huge deal. For a lot of people who may need a product like this AC charging is their only really option to charge the battery. They might not have solar panels for DC charging. It’s not a deal breaker for me, since i will only ever recharge from solar 90% of the time
@@fromcitytowild , I completely agree with you questioning the benefit of 240v. Sure, if you REALLY need to power something that's 240v when the grid is down for a long time, I get it. Otherwise, I don't get it. As for AC charging, I *think* that's about people wanting to charge it faster? Me not knowie :)
@@fromcitytowild Here is a situation why someone may want AC charging and 240 discharging at the same time. Imagine during an extended power outage, your power bank is running down on KWH but you still need well pump (240V) to run to have water. It's night time, it's still storming, its'.... but you have a gas generator and a few jugs of fuel. Now you can run that generator and run an AC cord to charge up the power station all the while providing 240V to the well pump so you still have water. Besides well pumps other 240V devices are stoves, electric/hybrid waterheaters, cloths dryer, HVAC/heat pumps, etc but well pump would be my top priority.
Hi Jason - from one engineer to another your tests are very welcome. The market overall is such a moving target and there are advances in products seemingly monthly where manufacturers are leapfrogging each other to provide better solutions. No matter what you pick there is going to be something better next year so you just need to determine what you need and what will work and how you want to use it and go with a manufacturer you know will be around for you and continue to innovate. I'm really glad to see Jackery push into this part of the market as more competition makes for better choices for all of us. For those who are comfortable with DIY perhaps a rack mount battery + BMS + Inverter system would be a great choice in terms of flexibility and lowest cost but it does require time and depending on where you live it may be challenging to get permits. In my case I've thrown the dart at the EcoFlow Delta Ultra series and their Smart Home Panel 2 for reasons you state below in the comments - load shifting, fast automatic switchover, and the fact that we require 240V emergency power for sewage sump pumps and well pumps. It's a blessing to not have to use an ICE generator to provide backup power but it's ultimately there in case it's needed for longer power outage durations - we live in a wildfire prone area and power shutoffs are common. Thank you again for the work you put into exploring and explaining to the rest of us how these things work.
This power station looks like a winner, as Jackery has added just about every missing feature from other brands and previous devices. Being able to charge from both solar and AC inputs at the same time, and also to be able to output both 120 and 240 volttages and 12 volt DC while charging, is something that has been missing from most competitors products. The dual modes for UPS with an almost zero switchover time on the fastest mode, is another nice feature.
Thanks for the time and effort you put in to this video. I just started navigating the maze of products for power during outages and could never know what to look for without this type of info. I have questions. 1. If 120 volts is supplied from the 240 volt outlet while AC charging and I have a 240 volt well pump as one of the circuits, would that mean that the circuit for the pump should be turned off while AC charging to protect it from low voltage at 120 volts? 2. The Jackery 5000 comes with a free smart transfer switch right now. Does that switch wire up the same as a manual transfer switch? I can easily wire the manual switch myself but can't find info on smart switches. Thanks again!
Thanks for doing this video! Here’s warranty info (from the Jackery website) for anyone interested. Jackery will replace (at Jackery's expense) any Jackery product that fails to operate during the applicable warranty period due to defect in workmanship or material. A replacement product assumes the remaining warranty of the original product.
Seems like a nice product. I had the Jackery 300 for 4 years before I gave it my son and it was flawless. Although this would mostly work for me as a whole home backup, the main limiting factor would be the passthrough power. I think these units need to support the full output power as input power for charging and powering the loads. In this case, it should support 7200 watt 240-v input and output. 3600 watts won't cut it for my 120-volt loads. Can you please consider adding that as a criterion in your evaluation of these devices that are intended as a home backup system?
I think at this point Jackery only includes those barrel plugs so people have something to complain about. Not surprised by the low dc conversion efficiency, it’s coming down from 108v after all But am surprised by the low 120v efficiency. Considering it’s a 108v battery, there is hardly any boost needed, the result should have been in the mid 90’s. Still not sure about the fascination of providing 240v output. Would be easier to use the 30amp RV output to connect to a 240 inverter running at 15amps. It’s clear this unit, just like the larger EcoFlow are not intended for mobile applications. It appears to be the stepchild between the largest practical mobile units (EF Delta Pro) and the smallest full home all-in-one panels like the Sol-Ark 8kw. It does fill a niche, perhaps for job sites and disaster assistance. I’m sure it will give years of reliable service and at the current low price could be a steal.
To add to this video regarding the transfer switch and the bonded phases. The way split phase power works is the neutral conductor will never exceed the highest loaded phase. However, if you bond the phase legs. You have the risk of overloading the neutral conductor. Meaning if you use a L14-30 extension (usually a 10/4 cable) If you load both legs of the hot at 30 amps. Your neutral will see 60 amps through a 10 awg cable. Likewise, on a 14-50. You risk running 100 amps through the neutral conductor. Yes this power station isn't capable of outputting that. But this is very much food for thought when working with bonded legs in a split phase system.
Jason, thank you so much for the in depth reviews! We have a 50 amp travel trailer and would like to do some boomdocking. I don’t have a soft start for the a/c’s and we might only use them sparingly, but still wanted the option. Probably camp off grid for 2-4 days max and use typical appliances… lights, coffee maker, microwave, fridge (it’s 12 v), heat, etc. have narrowed it down to the Anker 3800, Ecoflow DP3, and new Jackery 5000. Costco has good deals and all similar with either solar panels or extra battery. Pass through charging with ac while still powering at least 120v stuff is important. I like Anker and Jackery inventor size but they are large and Ecoflow DP3 seems best of class. Will place power bank in back of truck and run coward to it. Any advice on how to narrow my choice down to a winner?😊. Thanks and keep up the great work!!!
Jason, your test of the 240VAC output with 120VAC charge input made me retest my Anker F3800. Interesting results. With 120VAC input for charge, the 240VAC output is indeed disabled. However, if you double-tap the switch to turn on the F3800 240VAC inverter in bonded mode, it comes on in 240VAC bonded mode, but disables the 120VAC charge input. So, interesting to know, but really doesn't benefit anything. Just FYI.
This is a very helpful review. I would say that the real takeaway for regular people is that this monstrous power station that cost thousands of dollars could only power half your house for 11 hours. That suggests that people with lesser power stations who are expecting to rely on them might want to adjust their expectations downward a bit. :)
So with solar panels installed, it charges and stays full throughout the day, then lasts through the whole night, then charges back up. It's a daily process of charging and discharging and it works well 👍 last month my power bill was $16 LOL
@ I honestly don’t mean to be argumentative, but I think what you are saying is that in addition to the thousands of dollars this power station costs, you also need solar panel capacity (and enough sunshine) to charge it in one day. That’s a lot of cheddar for one day of power. My only point is that there are people who buy power stations much smaller than this who probably don’t grasp the compromises involved. Love your channel!
@@dansklrvids7303 my setup is a bit expensive and I have spent quite a bit of money since I need to make these videos but you can accomplish the same principle on a smaller scale for much less money. My advise to anyone would be to start small, get something to just power your main fridge and a few lights and such and then go from there. If your power goes out frequently you may want to invest more into a setup. If it never goes out, you'll probably be fine with a little AC180 or something to power 1 fridge and to use camping. These units are both a hobby for fun and emergency prep 👍
@@dansklrvids7303 just a note, these 400w panels are priced at $100 locally right now pretty much anywhere around the country on Facebook marketplace. For 2000w of solar, youre talking like $500 so they are pretty affordable. They don't need to be mounted to a roof, they can just sit against a building or a fence. It's super affordable actually!
I like this one!! Not a bad launch price either! But you could get 2 Pecron E3600LFPs and 2 EP3000 expansion batteries (12kw) for $4746 , this would be about $5500 for roughly the same inverter size and 10kw
There is one BIG downside with going for a twin unit setup for 240v output. For example, when running two Pecron e3600lfp's together, each power station doesn't balance out the load. For example one pecron is running one 120v leg with a load of 1000 watts and the other pecron is running the second 120v leg with a load of 300 watts. If one leg has more wattage draw on it, that particular power station will die first. The legs have to be exactly balanced to get your full runtimes and when you have two power station connected like that, they don't load share or balance out the load. Most people don't have the legs of their main panel balanced so for any home backup requiring two units connected together is not going to work well long term. This is NOT an issue when you have a single unit with 240v output (Like the Jackery 5000, Anker F3800, Ecoflow Delta Pro / Ultra units).
@ could you unplug the units and switch them from the double voltage hub periodically if the load is higher on one leg than the other, of course when not in use
Blows the Anker F3800 out of the Water and has put up as a Strong Contender for the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra, EcoFlow has the lead with the SHP2 Integration and being able to expand up to 3 Ultra's
Thank you Jason for a very complete first look/testing of this Jackery and hope you get to keep it longer and do a more complete what if testing.... (like you did with F3800). I was about to buy two Delta 3's + hub from Costco (BF sale) because of pass-thru (AC charging and 240V discharging), but your Chargeverter + F3800 review 2 weeks ago got me to think two F3800 (with higher KW output, 240V + 120V output at same time and smaller footprint) would be a better fit. And now this Jackery got me guessing again but it's all good; it seems to be an even better choice (than DP3 or F3800) if I want to max out on solar and batteries.
What other tests would you want to see? I'm curious because after a 40 minute video I was thinking people would be sick of watching my tests on this model... Lol
@@Jasonoid 40 min is long but surprisingly I replayed several parts because I was learning something useful. As for what I like to see, I see myself as a proactive homeowner who has the interest, time, money, some knowledge and some abilities to (want to) take control of things we don't have much control over, like storms, power outages, rising energy prices, etc... So I would love to see how I can best build out/expand this Jackery (or DP3 or F3800 of any solar products) into something that can give me more control over utility bills (time of use charging at night and solar charging in day time), let me achieve energy independence (maxing out on solar so I can go offgrid), how to live better (run that heater or AC more daringly because I have free/more electricity), or even how to best charge/incorporate EV into the system. And doing it cheaply and economically.
Gotcha! I've done a ton of videos on the channel covering all sorts of topics, over 300 videos to date. I basically run my 10 circuit transfer switch as much as possible in order to drop my power usage to save money on my bill. The transfer switch can be used all the time, not just during a power outage. For example, last month my power bill was only $16! (the outside temps are such that I don't have to run my AC right now so that helps). If you have enough solar and battery power you can keep your transfer switch powered off your power station 24/7. With my 10 circuit transfer switch basically I'm half on grid and half off grid.
@@Jasonoid whoa 300+ videos and $16 electricity bill? 👍👍. Got a real quick question then. You have advocated the use of cheaper batteries (via PV ports) instead of OEM expansion batteries to add kwh economically. Since these aren't connected to BMS of power station they will need to be separately charged with a solar or AC charger . So my question is, can these non OEM add on batteries be connected to a solar/AC charger (charging), and also connected to the power station, while the power station is doing AC discharging? Maybe it's time for another Jason test. BTW i checked out few other jackery 5000+ reviews on RUclips. Others are just box opening and first impression. Yours is a very complete test to verify specs. So big thank you for keeping OEM's honest.
Did you ever decide on one? I saw the Costco DP3 2-pack for $4999 but the Anker and Jackery 5000 has me second guessing. Lover the larger inverter, seems like it would handle bigger loads better. Costco has the Anker with extra battery and solar panels for $3999!
@ I have been very critical of you in the past but have realized that you don’t just take free products. You’re actually conducting non-biased testing and giving information to those of us who might need it to help make informed decisions. Thank you for that and I don’t mind saying I was wrong -- keep up the great work my friend!
What I would like see with all these smart panels is that they will feed back into the entire house keeping everything going like a true whole home generator, not just 10 loads.
@Jasonoid thank you for the reply, but it won't be auto backup with the smart panel/switch. You would still need to physically shut off the main and then turn on the inverter breaker correct?
Glad to see they have some pass through AC charging on the 240v port, though it does suck to have to only run 120v appliances. Better than the other options on the market though that basically don't work. So a very good option. It seems to be the best of the options on the market right now. I would definitely take this over a Anker f3800 or Ecoflow Pro Ultra.
I think it's a huge improvement over the Anker F3800. With the higher solar voltage, larger battery, and the fact you can get 3600 watts while AC charging are all big advantages.
Impressive comprehensive review Mr. Jason. Difficult to find cons on this unit. Finally a Jackery I would consider buying. I've owned two 500's for years but never looked at the newer models because of their proprietary solar charging and 8mm plugs. The idle consumption is amazing on this unit. It is more efficient than the 3kw inverter I used to make a portable system. I'm wondering if I plugged this to my fridge to use as a UPS and I lost power while vacationing to where it completely drained the battery before the grid came back on if it would remember to turn on the A/C plugs so that my fridge would turn on again like the Delta 3+ does? I really, really like this unit over any other one on the market now. Thanks for your fantastic review.
Great video as usual! 1) so you can AC charge at 1800w and send to 2 120v circuits via the 240v outlet. Does this limit the 2 circuits to 1800w max each leg via the 240v? Is the app as robust as Ecoflow or Bluetti? Thank youi!
If you have it set to the 0ms online ups mode, you can charge at 1800 watts and get up to 3600 watts output through any of the ports (the front ports or the 240v outlets on the side). The Jackery smart app works well, it has lots of settings and I have no complaints about the app.
Great addition to compete with the only other 2 240v stand alone unit which is the EcoFlow and Anker. The only problem I see is the clunky and odd DC inputs. 12v-60 and then jump to 135v plus the weird plugs. How are people that have smaller solar array going to arrange their panels. Even with 3 panels in series will put it over 60v. Then you have to series 6-7 panels just to get to 135v. Not a lot of people uses home solar and the high voltage to get it to 135v. Serious downfall with the quirky inputs.
You can always wire solar panels in a way to be compatible with these units you just need to put together a series or parallel combination 👍 I help people do that in their Anker F3800 everyday since it has a similar 60v limit.
It's nice to see that Jackery is finally bumping up into some truly premium products. But with their reputation in need of repair from people truly "in the know" and their huge market share from the camping/overland crowd i feel like they really should've gone for a profit/volume approach here. They could have easily severely unrcut even companies like Pecron and Oupes and STILL made a huge profit with how almost "household" their name is. For instance one of my relatives who is the furthest thing from a geek and knows nothing about tech or electronics stuff immediately knew what a Jackery was when he saw mine 5-6 years ago.
I thought the pricing was pretty decent on this unit. Sure... not as low as Pecron or Oupes but those are budget models that have known quirks or issues with support / warranty. Jackery could have charged $4000++ for this unit but I give them props for choosing $3499 or $0.69 per wh. They are even giving away a transfer switch for free at that price.
@Jasonoid I agree, the price point is very nice for this unit despite what I said. :) But they had a chance to stick it to their competitors further and legitimately get their name into a segment they've been missing out on. I'm not knocking points for not doing this as it'd be a pretty bold move on their part, it was just a thought.
Winner, Winner, chicken dinner! It would be interesting on the DC capacity tests if you were load up both the 12V and the USB sections as the 0.03C load is well outside the "sweet spot" where you see some swings in the efficiency curve (see the load tests done by the channel WaveformScience for instance). Jackery and EcoFlow have separate sections for 12V and USB on some of their power stations whereas Bluetti and Pecron do not. It amazes me that Jackery is the first company to offer an online mode for the UPS (zero transfer). Since the inverter is running all the time (i know this for both Bluetti and EcoFlow), online seems to be the logical choice but everyone wants to throw a mechanical relay in there for some reason. The Jackery seems to have fixed all the short comings of the F3800 in one nice compact product. Great review!!
I'll be honest, I'll leave the ultra in depth testing to other channels that want to do that. For a unit this large I don't think it's practical to track the efficiency of a full discharge while using the USB ports. The DC output took long enough and I had to do it twice since my meter reset the first time I did that test LOL. I feel the USB ports are a nice extra feature to have but they are not the main reason to purchase a product this large. The other power station to offer an online UPS functionality is the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra, which is equally fast. I like seeing these products evolve and I agree that this one is much better than the Anker F3800.
I ordered the 5000 plus with the smart panel for $3499. 5000 plus itself is $3499 But, as a promotion, they're throwing in a FREE smart panel worth $1699 for free. As of 11-8-24, it's still $3499 for the 5000 plus and the smart panel.
Very nice test, but - if one does a little research - one can come down to a *LOT!* (1/4, 1/5?) cheaper battery solutions if building batteries oneselves - buying individual cells and a BMS. Oh - also some dedication/interest in the topic ;)
Yes, these power stations are not for the DIYer. These are for people that want a plug n play solution. I have some interesting video ideas coming soon that you might find pretty interesting 😁
I was looking for the link for the anderson power pole to 7909 and the 8020 adapter but I did not see that inyour description. Also, in your opinion which one would you choose Delta pro ultra or this Jackery? I like to think of portability, expandability and output. While the Ultra has better expandability it has less portability and they both have the same output. Also, I am new to solar can I use any panels for this system or do I have to buy the Jackery panels on their website?
I've added the adapters, thanks for the reminder, here they are: Anderson Power Pole to 7909mm Adapter: amzn.to/3O30h3z 7909mm to 8020mm Adapter: amzn.to/3YGNrgo As for the Jackery vs the EcoFlow Ultra they are both very capable. The Ultra is priced a bit higher because you do get a little more features. For example, you get full 240v output charging when AC charging at 120v. You also have a slightly larger battery and the ability to add more batteries down the road. The fans are completely silent on the Ultra as well. You can use any brand of solar panel you want. You just need to meet the input specs.
Thinking about using one of these for an off grid cabin build. This would be running the cabin electricity every day with solar charging. What are your thoughts here? This looks like it might be designed more for on grid back up power usage.
First time aside from the 100 Plus where i can say a jackery might actually be worth considering. But they still stuck to the "proprietary" Solar bullshit by not just using XT60.
I agree. I'd like to know how difficult it would be to replace the mc4 inputs on the Jackery if they are damaged. I've had some melt on my DC-Isolation switch, had to buy a whole new switch as the mc4 connectors were not accessible.
@@SamPowell-s3g I'm not talking about the mc4 I'm talking about the barrel plugs that should have been xt60. Mc4 for the high voltage is pretty common I think
I’m trying to get confirmation from Jackery as which UL certification the 5000 and the smart transfer switch have. Here’s their response which I find odd: The installation of Jackery 5000 Plus meets the necessary conditions of electrical regulations.Please be assured that our products are UL listed and we can sell them in Canada. If you encounter any problems during use, we will take full responsibility.
I would have an electrician do it because I am too ignorant. My big problem is that I live in a Town home with no basement, garage or room to put in enough solar panels having only a small fenced yard. Really it's more of a concrete pad to put a chair and table outdoors. I have an HOA which would not allow me to use the roof. If I had only known 39 years ago.
I really wish they would have allowed for AC coupling like the Anker F3800, this would be the perfect home battery backup/ intro to solar if it did. The F3800 is nearly perfect except for the solar inputs, capping it at 60V really cripples it.
@@jeffquasarano7 ac coupling allows the inverter in the battery to sync with the grid and push power back into the rest of your house. So you can use the solar generated by the f3800 to power any load in your house, but during a grid outage only the devices in the backup loads panel are powered. AC coupling is found in hybrid inverters like the EG4 12kpv and 18kpv. So its just a really cool feature to find in an all in one battery backup unit.
Thank you Jason, great review. Just wondering whether UPS functions can be disabled? As using for off grid, there is no reason for that function.👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸
Theres no way to turn it off, however, the UPS function is only active when AC charging so if you are only charging with solar you don't need to worry about it.
I plan to do a video down the road 👍 However, the biggest differences are that the Jackery has a bigger battery, a larger inverter, it's also much more capable with solar charging due to the 450v input vs only 60v on the Anker, and it can still power loads while AC charging (up to 3600 watts). The Anker requires a bit of work to charge with full solar input and to use it while AC charging. I'd recommend this one over the Anker.
Does the smart app allow for any options like peak shaving? That isn't a big item for me at the moment, but I know that is a reality for many and probably me too in the future.
It seems the Jackery Smart Transfer Switch does that and it seems you can connect to that with the smart app. The device on it's own does not do that when connected to a manual transfer switch.
EV chargers require a ground to charge. If they don't sense a ground, they won't start charging your car. The F3800 EV mode simply bonds the ground to the neutral inside the inverter. I didn't see a specific EV mode on the Jackery, but I think using a common 'grounding/bonding plug' would work to get the same effect.
Theres a lot to that question! You'd probably okay with either option. However, I like how the EF Ultra has a separate inverter/charger unit (since thats the unit thats most likely to break) that can be replaced without shipping heavy batteries. The benefit would be if something goes wrong, shipping back the inverter unit is MUCH easier than shipping back batteries.... The Jackery has a lower entry cost and seems to be a very high quality unit. It just depends on how you are using the device.
If money isn't an issue with you I'd say go for the Ecoflow DPU. Its just better all the way around. My Panel is unfortunately in my room so having the Ecoflow is a Blessing. I don't hear it at all. Just a couple of clicks in the morning when the sun first comes up. (if I'm paying attention to it) and that's it. The low pv voltage is higher. The Batteries stack up nicer the jacket looks like it would take up a lot of space if you max it out. DC options are better on the Jackery though.
If i understand it correctly, the 240v outlet while ac charging will still power both legs of panel at 120v but it's not split phase so my 240v appliances won't work. But i will still have both legs of 120? If that's correct that's awesome. Please confirm? It was discussed at around 33 minute mark.
Yep, that's exactly what happens. You can still power 120v circuits, you just won't be able to power your 240v loads. Make sure it's set to the '0ms Online' UPS mode in order to allow for 3600 watts output while charging.
I think that's what he said I have to watch that part again. But there is a device that you could buy that could get you Split phase, it's not cheap though. Victron makes it. You basically plug Two 120volt plugs into it and it turns it into 240. the youtube johnny's weekends did a video on it
Can you hook up 4000W high PV and 1200W low PV at the same time giving you 5200W total? Will it allow you to go over 4000W as long as you don't upset the voltage or amperage or does it shut down at 4000W?
Yes, you can use both PV inputs at the same time, however, it seems there is a software programing that keeps it from going above 4000 watts. Maybe once expansion batteries are added that limit is removed? You might have to reach out to Jackery about that question.
The fatal flaw is no 240V when 120V charging. The same limitation as the Anker F3800. The EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 will happily output 240V while 120V charging. I wonder if they can make a 240V charging cable that doesn't require the smart home panel. If they can enable 240V pass through charging via a simple cable that would make the limitation mostly moot.
@@Jasonoid Yes, I understand having a single 120V phase on L1 and L2 is better than no output at all. However, 240V appliances will still not work. Which is why I think they should release a 240V input cable if it's possible.
That and enable a switch of the neutral from floating to bonded like the F3800. This would allow me to supercharge the battery using the 30amp 240v outlet of my F150 Powerboost which is a bonded neutral generator design.
I don’t know why they don’t put 100ah batteries in these. Yes you put a big load on it but full capacity it’s only going to last an hour or less.. I need runtime.
Thanks for the review on this unit Jason. Could this 5000 be charged using a gas generator as I do not yet have P V panels or would I need to get a EG4 chargeverter as well? Also if I did that , could it be connected to the dc charge ports as on the Anker f3800 video to be able to fool it and use the 240 output while charging? Thanks again, Ken
If you have a modern 'inverter generator' you should be able to charge just fine from that. Most power stations will not charge from the old school generators though.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for the reply sir , I'll have to check the specs on my gen, its a 5000 watt Honda, thought I might have to get the chargeverter as you used in the Anker vid.
@@Jasonoid could I please ask you a follow up question regarding the EG4 and the Jackery 5000? Similar set up, looking to power the house with the Jackery and recharge with a generator (solar panels will come later). AC charging is limited to 1800 W. High-voltage DC could charge at 4000 W. Could I use a generator with an EG4 to charge the Jackery at 4000 W? Thanks very much for your insights.
I know you said it doesn't make any beep sounds when solar first comes in but does it make a clicking sound? My Ac300 and "Quiet" Ecoflow DPU make that sound when the sun rises in the morning. I hate the fact that the low pv side is only 60volts It would of been cool if it was 150. I wish other power stations out there did 20amps PV charging like this one isn't the Anker the only one that does that?
No beeps or alarms, but it does have a charging relay that clicks on. It's not nearly as noticeable as the large relay in the EF DPU though. I like the 20 amp input for the low solar, I wish the DPU also had that high of amps :(
can a jackery switch run the other way what I mean is switch to the grid after it runs out of battery power then switch back to the jackery when the power solar panels kick in automatically
Since it's an automatic transfer switch you can use the smart app to control when you are powered off the Jackery vs when you are powered off the grid (plus when the power goes out).
I have a 38 panel grid tied system. How do I go about having those, charge the Jackery 5000? Do I need a hybrid inverter in between the panels and the power station?
Unfortunately, these 'plug n play' systems aren't compatible with grid tie solar setups. It would be best to invest your money into a hybrid inverter setup that will also allow battery backup so everything is seemless.
@@Art38Nh I don't work with grid tied systems, you should be able to find a local solar installer that would be willing to integrate a battery setup though.
69 cents per watt hour is a good deal? I guess everything is relative as they say. For the same money you can buy ten 450 watt solar panels. I think I rather go for the solar panels. How much does it cost to charge the battery after it is drained? People probably dont know that charging one of these is going to run up their power bill significantly, when the power is restored.
Just last year power station were priced over $1.00 per wh, so $0.69 cents is an awesome price drop for newer features, especially from Jackery. I only charge my power station from grid power if it's a last resort. I charge with solar panels as much as possible and when you can find 400w panels for around $100 each, why not get both the power station and the solar? My monthly power bill is around $17! In this video I show how to find these solar panel prices locally: ruclips.net/video/pLRKljjaqMA/видео.html
@@Jasonoid You are hard wired to the panel. Most people arent savvy enough to grasp that concept. They just want something to plug their TV into when a hurricane takes them off line for a week. People in Ecuador (americans...) are scrambling for these units because the whole country is black due to low water levels at the hydro plants.
I mentioned why I thought it was in the video. It uses a 110v DC battery. Dropping from 110v down to 12v isn't going to be as efficient as a normal 48v battery.
The DC-DC conversation efficiency should still be way higher than 82%. My solar charge controller drops the 100VDC coming from my array down to 14.6VDC and is 98% efficient
@@turtle1723 I don't know exactly, the owners manual isn't very clear and Jackery said they were going to improve the wording. I think it has to do with bypass power limits. The 20ms setting only lets you pull around 1500 watts before it shuts off. The 0ms setting allows you to power up to 3600 watts without shutting down.
They would have a real leg up on the competition if they could output 240 while charging, it would be even better if the charging was 120/240 like having a built in chargeverter.......
It's good that you can at least get the 120v bridged output while charging (to power 120v circuits in your main panel) but not being able to power a well pump or other 240v loads is definitely a downside.
@@Jasonoid I want to make sure I understand this correctly.....if you are charging with 120V AC, both halves of the 240V output are enabled, but in-phase/bridged?
it would be a hassle for him to do it. I think he likes the Neutrality of Reliance one he has now he had the opportunity to install the Ecoflow switch (which is better then this one) but didn't. I personally wouldn't want to get tied down to one Ecosystem if I had access to different units from multiple companies like he does
I wish I had a way to test these transfer switches but I don't have the room. They also cost hundreds of dollars to install or remove by a local electrician. I can't be swapping back and forth since every company has their own panel now so I stick with my generic manual option for testing.
@ I hope that didn’t come across badly. I very much appreciate your reviews and was looking forward to seeing your take on the Jackery 5000 Plus as soon as you mentioned you were reviewing the unit in a comment in another video. I think Jackery found the sweet spot between the F3800 and the DPU. To think of it, that’s a hard hit on the DP3 I think.
Excellent Video Had a few questions you might be able to answer… Does Jackery have something similar to the Anker power hub where you can tie two 240v together and then into a generator inlet When using the smart home panel, can you have one large breaker out into an interlock breaker on the main panel? If so, what size breaker would be recommended for two 5000’s? Curious to know what happens if two 5000’s are connected to smart home panel and I go to AC charge one of the 5000’s ? Thanks very much for your time and content.
1) Jackery only has the Jackery smart transfer switch right now, I'm not sure of any plans to make a simple combiner hub for a generator inlet. I think that would be great though. 2) The owners manual recommends using a 100amp breaker when installing the Jackery transfer switch to grid power. 3) I'm not sure what would happen in that case as I don't have two units to test with.
Thanks Jason. I understand that this is meant to be a home backup unit, but I do think it's a missed opportunity not to provide a 30A RV outlet delivering a full 30 amps, or a DC outlet with at least 25 amps. I mean, if it's this big and powerful, why not provide these features?
I have never given Jackery a second glance for any of their other offerings. Mostly due to Solar input barrel connections, unfold-able handle and slow to market standard solutions like LFP battery chemistry. But something this well rounded and at this price, they have my attention. Now, do they ship to Hawaii and do they have any authorized resellers here with inventory for the 5000s?
@ Thanks for the response, but the question at the end was more ment in sarcasm. No one ships here (Hawaii) unless a big box store gets whatever older model surplus they are trying to purge.
Looks like a copy of the Anker but better. Anker tops out at 60V solar input for 2400 watts 2x xt-60 ports at 1200 watts each. The Anker can be had for $2699 so it's cheaper. Jackery is playing catchup - I don't see a circuit breaker panel to tie into the home wiring. Maybe that will be out shortly.
This video made me ferociously jealous (kidding) (not really), so I wrote an email to anker feedback asking for a firmware update so I can have zero ms cutover on my F3800, too. Seems like it would be possible with a simple firmware update. I hope they consider it.
@@Jasonoid Anker wrote me back. Confirmed it's not possible with a firmware update and the desire for it is already on their radar. I then suggested a small module that can be inserted in the homeplug port on the F3800 that takes a C13 in, monitors the sinewave, waits for it to sync with the inverter, then switches when the frequency hits zero. That would be a kickass accessory for guys like me who want cheap time-of-use without a bulky install in a small apartment.
It's cheaper for sure, and for multiple reasons -smaller inverter -smaller battery -60 volt solar limit -240v shuts off completely when AC charging If those things don't bug you, it's all good to buy the cheaper model 👍
Nice surprise today seeing your review :-) Thank you!! I appreciate you are reviewing some Jackery units too! Thank you. I appreciate the quick clarity on the "unit for free/testing" vs your opinions. Your grading sheet says so much and how you do your work as well. I trust your results and thank you for your efforts (and the support behind the scenes). I noticed a comment on another reviewer's Jackery 1000v2 that you had the unit but didn't publish the review. If you did any of the testing, would you consider adding it to your grading sheet for any values you have (without a letter grade even). While I understand many probably aren't interested, I'm considering it for a few reasons over a Delta 2/3 given I need portable backup AC power for a refrig so some of the usual drawbacks with Jackery don't apply. Great job on this!! 👍👍
If I end up doing all the testing on the product I will post the results in my grading sheet. I am contemplating doing the Jackery 2000v2 since it's so compact versus the other 2000wh models.
Thanks for considering! The 2000v2 is interesting too. My spouse's lifting ability preferred the 1000v2 since it was lighter. But, if we get a 2nd unit, then maybe the 2000v2 if it reviews/tests well. I like more battery capacity :-) And, I understand testing takes time away from other things. Deciding what to review/test and not has to be hard sometimes!
The Jackery 5000 is slightly more expensive BUT I think the advantages are worth it! Larger battery, larger inverter, much better solar charging with high voltage, faster 0ms UPS, and you can still charge and use the power station at the same time. That's alot of reasons haha
*What are you doing Jason ? Why are you testing 120 Volt AC appliances through the 240 Volt AC Split-phase output for ? (Yes I know you have the output broken down to 120 Volts AC per line). Why are you not doing this testing through the built in 120 Volt AC 20 Amp sockets on the front of the Jackery 5000 unit itself ? Most people will not be using the bizarre setup you have put together here.*
Bizarre? Maybe you don't use it that way but most people will be pulling max power through the 240v output while it's connected to some sort of transfer switch or interlock to feed their home. Who wants to run extension cords all over their home?
@@Jasonoid Exactly ! Apparently YOU DO ! Why you did not simply plug in the 240 Volt AC Split-Phase Output into your home's master box via a generator interface and switchover relay I will never know (???) You should have performed the surge test by plugging those appliances into your house's 120 Volt AC wall sockets then connect your Jackery 5000 to your Home's main power box via a generator switchover, and then performed the surge test. Now that would have been a real test !
@@markjob6354 wait... In your first comment you said I should be using the ports on the front of the power station and now your saying use the 240v output for the tests? Now I'm just confused on what you want. You understand the max load test is a controlled setup to keep the load exactly at 7200 watts, right? Its impossible for me to both film the test and run around the entire house adjusting loads so that's why I use that adapter. I've tried the other way around where I have heaters connected all over the house, it's stupid. Both tests provide the same exact results, except one test I can easily adjust the loads as needed since they are all sitting in one place. Don't work harder, work smarter.
@@Jasonoid You're conflating two separate points I was making into a contradiction. Point 1. I wrote most people will be using power tools on an extension cord plugged into the front of the unit, like the table saw you demonstrated. 2. The 240 Volt AC output (7200W @30 Amps) is designed for home backup, so I think you should be performing the overdraw tests through plugging into your home's main box, and, if necessary, running around the house turning on or off stuff. It isn't stupid at all. Your are demonstrating the unit's performance in a real world scenario, which is the point is it not ?
Not bad but I'm invested in ecoflow I'm hoping that because of your price is being lower that they will lower their prices cuz I sure do need a lot batteries maybe once I sell my house and go to a new one I'll invest in jackery we'll see
This allows for 3600 watts of output from the 240v outlets while AC charging. It's actually two 120v legs bridged together instead of 240v, so it still powers essential loads.
Jason, thank you for doing solar testing. I know it’s time consuming but you do it well. I’m a long time subscriber and don’t text much but I thought it important for you to know you are appreciated. 👍🏽
Thanks for being a long time supporter, Dennis! I appreciate you watching my videos.
@@Jasonoidthank you
Your reviews are the gold standard. Thank you!
I really appreciate that, it means a lot to me. 😁
What a great review. I am looking at purchasing one of these. Currently we are experiencing the bomb cyclone going through our community just south of Lake Tahoe. This past week, we have had two extensive power outages due to our utility company's proactive stance on cutting the power in certain areas to reduce the chance of wildfires. I believe our power was cut off for a total of 24hrs for both events. Luckily I have an RV that has about 1.6KW of solar power with two 300amp LifePO4 batteries. To keep from freezing, I ran an extension cord from the RV to the propane furnace blower. I also ran an extension cord to our fridge to keep it cold. The rest of the house was powered off including the 240v well. I believe that I could use the Jackery Solar Gel. 5000 Plus to keep more items functioning. But, if I heard you correctly, if the unit is in charging mode, then you can't get 240v out of it, only 120v. My plan during a power outage would be to have the unit plugged into my RV for charging purposes, and the unit would power the items in my house that I feel are critical. But, I won't be able to run my well pump while it is in charging mode. Did I understand that correctly? BTW, I don't think this would be a show stopper as I could manage the 240v needs by just pausing the charging.
I really like these user friendly all in one systems.
Very thorough and professional. Thanks, Jason.
Thanks for watching, I appreciate it!
Its taken me a couple of days to get through this video because I didn't want to miss anything. Great detailed review. I bought a small Jackery years ago because we needed power in a vehicle to run a nebulizer and the plug in the truck couldn't be relied on. This shows me that its not just for small solutions.
Looking forward to learning more from your videos and using your links when ready to purchase!
Thanks.
I always kinda derided the brand. But this new product is impressive. It's super neato!
I didn't review Jackery products for a long time since they insisted on staying behind the trends. This is a different story! I was very impressed!
Iam glad they keep the 12V I used mine the other day to run. Diesel heater for 4 days during an outage.
...and the fact you can get 172 watts from their 12v socket! Thats awesome.
Great Video!!!
This has won me over the F3800.
Jakery took everything the Anker f3800 fell short in and improved their version.
I will probably get this.
I agree, it has some big improvements over the Anker F3800.
I am/was regretting buying the f3800 but even after watching a million videos and this one, I still don't see the benefits (for me at least) of AC charging and 240v output..... Can someone explain why this is such a big deal to people. So power goes down at your property.... Battery power house via 240v...... Where and why do you need to AC charge it at the same time... especially if grid is down? Maybe if I'm using it in an RV and the battery is super low or dead.... I can plug it in the campground outlet... Idk I'm so confused why people are hung up on this quirk.
Also, solar input on Anker. For me, being in the desert 2400w is plenty. It'll charge from dead in apparently 1.6 hours which is awesome.
I'm debating going with the server rack battery ($1,300) to expand the capacity and plugging it in the solar DC port but then you need to charge that battery via solar (off-grid here) so I'll need an inverter. Eg4 yellow one is $800......which puts you at $2100.... Not to mention a rack of some sort for the server rack battery.......or you buy the Anker expansion battery for $2100 and it's one simple plug....not as much capacity I'll admit but the added expense for cables for server rack batteries...... Can you hook up multiple server rack batteries in either series or parallel? (I don't know much about this stuff if you couldn't tell) .... I'm just bouncing around trying to sort out what direction to go.
Totally understand in your scenario it might not be a huge deal. For a lot of people who may need a product like this AC charging is their only really option to charge the battery. They might not have solar panels for DC charging.
It’s not a deal breaker for me, since i will only ever recharge from solar 90% of the time
@@fromcitytowild , I completely agree with you questioning the benefit of 240v. Sure, if you REALLY need to power something that's 240v when the grid is down for a long time, I get it. Otherwise, I don't get it.
As for AC charging, I *think* that's about people wanting to charge it faster? Me not knowie :)
@@fromcitytowild Here is a situation why someone may want AC charging and 240 discharging at the same time. Imagine during an extended power outage, your power bank is running down on KWH but you still need well pump (240V) to run to have water. It's night time, it's still storming, its'.... but you have a gas generator and a few jugs of fuel. Now you can run that generator and run an AC cord to charge up the power station all the while providing 240V to the well pump so you still have water. Besides well pumps other 240V devices are stoves, electric/hybrid waterheaters, cloths dryer, HVAC/heat pumps, etc but well pump would be my top priority.
Looks like a good all around solution with the uncertainty of power in the coming future.
Hi Jason - from one engineer to another your tests are very welcome. The market overall is such a moving target and there are advances in products seemingly monthly where manufacturers are leapfrogging each other to provide better solutions. No matter what you pick there is going to be something better next year so you just need to determine what you need and what will work and how you want to use it and go with a manufacturer you know will be around for you and continue to innovate. I'm really glad to see Jackery push into this part of the market as more competition makes for better choices for all of us. For those who are comfortable with DIY perhaps a rack mount battery + BMS + Inverter system would be a great choice in terms of flexibility and lowest cost but it does require time and depending on where you live it may be challenging to get permits. In my case I've thrown the dart at the EcoFlow Delta Ultra series and their Smart Home Panel 2 for reasons you state below in the comments - load shifting, fast automatic switchover, and the fact that we require 240V emergency power for sewage sump pumps and well pumps. It's a blessing to not have to use an ICE generator to provide backup power but it's ultimately there in case it's needed for longer power outage durations - we live in a wildfire prone area and power shutoffs are common. Thank you again for the work you put into exploring and explaining to the rest of us how these things work.
My daily option right now is the Delta Pro Ultra. It's been running for almost a year non stop!
This power station looks like a winner, as Jackery has added just about every missing feature from other brands and previous devices. Being able to charge from both solar and AC inputs at the same time, and also to be able to output both 120 and 240 volttages and 12 volt DC while charging, is something that has been missing from most competitors products. The dual modes for UPS with an almost zero switchover time on the fastest mode, is another nice feature.
I agree, they made quite the upgrade with this model.
Thanks for the time and effort you put in to this video. I just started navigating the maze of products for power during outages and could never know what to look for without this type of info. I have questions. 1. If 120 volts is supplied from the 240 volt outlet while AC charging and I have a 240 volt well pump as one of the circuits, would that mean that the circuit for the pump should be turned off while AC charging to protect it from low voltage at 120 volts? 2. The Jackery 5000 comes with a free smart transfer switch right now. Does that switch wire up the same as a manual transfer switch? I can easily wire the manual switch myself but can't find info on smart switches. Thanks again!
Awesome video. Very thorough. Appreciate your review.
Thanks for doing this video!
Here’s warranty info (from the Jackery website) for anyone interested.
Jackery will replace (at Jackery's expense) any Jackery product that fails to operate during the applicable warranty period due to defect in workmanship or material. A replacement product assumes the remaining warranty of the original product.
Seems like a nice product. I had the Jackery 300 for 4 years before I gave it my son and it was flawless.
Although this would mostly work for me as a whole home backup, the main limiting factor would be the passthrough power. I think these units need to support the full output power as input power for charging and powering the loads. In this case, it should support 7200 watt 240-v input and output. 3600 watts won't cut it for my 120-volt loads.
Can you please consider adding that as a criterion in your evaluation of these devices that are intended as a home backup system?
I think at this point Jackery only includes those barrel plugs so people have something to complain about.
Not surprised by the low dc conversion efficiency, it’s coming down from 108v after all
But am surprised by the low 120v efficiency. Considering it’s a 108v battery, there is hardly any boost needed, the result should have been in the mid 90’s.
Still not sure about the fascination of providing 240v output. Would be easier to use the 30amp RV output to connect to a 240 inverter running at 15amps.
It’s clear this unit, just like the larger EcoFlow are not intended for mobile applications.
It appears to be the stepchild between the largest practical mobile units (EF Delta Pro) and the smallest full home all-in-one panels like the Sol-Ark 8kw.
It does fill a niche, perhaps for job sites and disaster assistance.
I’m sure it will give years of reliable service and at the current low price could be a steal.
To add to this video regarding the transfer switch and the bonded phases. The way split phase power works is the neutral conductor will never exceed the highest loaded phase. However, if you bond the phase legs. You have the risk of overloading the neutral conductor. Meaning if you use a L14-30 extension (usually a 10/4 cable) If you load both legs of the hot at 30 amps. Your neutral will see 60 amps through a 10 awg cable. Likewise, on a 14-50. You risk running 100 amps through the neutral conductor. Yes this power station isn't capable of outputting that. But this is very much food for thought when working with bonded legs in a split phase system.
Jason, thank you so much for the in depth reviews! We have a 50 amp travel trailer and would like to do some boomdocking. I don’t have a soft start for the a/c’s and we might only use them sparingly, but still wanted the option. Probably camp off grid for 2-4 days max and use typical appliances… lights, coffee maker, microwave, fridge (it’s 12 v), heat, etc. have narrowed it down to the Anker 3800, Ecoflow DP3, and new Jackery 5000. Costco has good deals and all similar with either solar panels or extra battery. Pass through charging with ac while still powering at least 120v stuff is important. I like Anker and Jackery inventor size but they are large and Ecoflow DP3 seems best of class. Will place power bank in back of truck and run coward to it.
Any advice on how to narrow my choice down to a winner?😊.
Thanks and keep up the great work!!!
For versatility and high output delivery I would go with the twin Anker F3800s. My price being a veteran at HD is $4800.
Jason, your test of the 240VAC output with 120VAC charge input made me retest my Anker F3800. Interesting results. With 120VAC input for charge, the 240VAC output is indeed disabled. However, if you double-tap the switch to turn on the F3800 240VAC inverter in bonded mode, it comes on in 240VAC bonded mode, but disables the 120VAC charge input. So, interesting to know, but really doesn't benefit anything. Just FYI.
I made a video specifically for the Anker F3800 to keep the 240v output enabled while AC Charging HERE:
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This is a very helpful review. I would say that the real takeaway for regular people is that this monstrous power station that cost thousands of dollars could only power half your house for 11 hours. That suggests that people with lesser power stations who are expecting to rely on them might want to adjust their expectations downward a bit. :)
So with solar panels installed, it charges and stays full throughout the day, then lasts through the whole night, then charges back up. It's a daily process of charging and discharging and it works well 👍 last month my power bill was $16 LOL
@ I honestly don’t mean to be argumentative, but I think what you are saying is that in addition to the thousands of dollars this power station costs, you also need solar panel capacity (and enough sunshine) to charge it in one day. That’s a lot of cheddar for one day of power. My only point is that there are people who buy power stations much smaller than this who probably don’t grasp the compromises involved. Love your channel!
@@dansklrvids7303 my setup is a bit expensive and I have spent quite a bit of money since I need to make these videos but you can accomplish the same principle on a smaller scale for much less money. My advise to anyone would be to start small, get something to just power your main fridge and a few lights and such and then go from there. If your power goes out frequently you may want to invest more into a setup. If it never goes out, you'll probably be fine with a little AC180 or something to power 1 fridge and to use camping. These units are both a hobby for fun and emergency prep 👍
@@JasonoidI agree completely. Just thought that your home power experiment should be a wake up call for some folks. :)
@@dansklrvids7303 just a note, these 400w panels are priced at $100 locally right now pretty much anywhere around the country on Facebook marketplace. For 2000w of solar, youre talking like $500 so they are pretty affordable. They don't need to be mounted to a roof, they can just sit against a building or a fence. It's super affordable actually!
I like this one!!
Not a bad launch price either!
But you could get 2 Pecron E3600LFPs and 2 EP3000 expansion batteries (12kw) for $4746 , this would be about $5500 for roughly the same inverter size and 10kw
There is one BIG downside with going for a twin unit setup for 240v output. For example, when running two Pecron e3600lfp's together, each power station doesn't balance out the load. For example one pecron is running one 120v leg with a load of 1000 watts and the other pecron is running the second 120v leg with a load of 300 watts. If one leg has more wattage draw on it, that particular power station will die first. The legs have to be exactly balanced to get your full runtimes and when you have two power station connected like that, they don't load share or balance out the load.
Most people don't have the legs of their main panel balanced so for any home backup requiring two units connected together is not going to work well long term. This is NOT an issue when you have a single unit with 240v output (Like the Jackery 5000, Anker F3800, Ecoflow Delta Pro / Ultra units).
@ could you unplug the units and switch them from the double voltage hub periodically if the load is higher on one leg than the other, of course when not in use
I appreciate your electrical engineering and technology knowledge.
It would be good 8f you could wire it into a proper 30amp central AC of a house. That's a more realistic and more difficult load than you tested with
I have a 4 ton unit at my house, too large to test with unfortunately. I'll see what I can do in the future for these larger units.
Blows the Anker F3800 out of the Water and has put up as a Strong Contender for the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra, EcoFlow has the lead with the SHP2 Integration and being able to expand up to 3 Ultra's
Great points! I agree!
Plus the Ecoflow has the EV charge stuff I didn't think I heard any EV related stuff on this Device though
Thank you Jason for a very complete first look/testing of this Jackery and hope you get to keep it longer and do a more complete what if testing.... (like you did with F3800). I was about to buy two Delta 3's + hub from Costco (BF sale) because of pass-thru (AC charging and 240V discharging), but your Chargeverter + F3800 review 2 weeks ago got me to think two F3800 (with higher KW output, 240V + 120V output at same time and smaller footprint) would be a better fit. And now this Jackery got me guessing again but it's all good; it seems to be an even better choice (than DP3 or F3800) if I want to max out on solar and batteries.
What other tests would you want to see? I'm curious because after a 40 minute video I was thinking people would be sick of watching my tests on this model... Lol
@@Jasonoid 40 min is long but surprisingly I replayed several parts because I was learning something useful.
As for what I like to see, I see myself as a proactive homeowner who has the interest, time, money, some knowledge and some abilities to (want to) take control of things we don't have much control over, like storms, power outages, rising energy prices, etc... So I would love to see how I can best build out/expand this Jackery (or DP3 or F3800 of any solar products) into something that can give me more control over utility bills (time of use charging at night and solar charging in day time), let me achieve energy independence (maxing out on solar so I can go offgrid), how to live better (run that heater or AC more daringly because I have free/more electricity), or even how to best charge/incorporate EV into the system. And doing it cheaply and economically.
Gotcha! I've done a ton of videos on the channel covering all sorts of topics, over 300 videos to date.
I basically run my 10 circuit transfer switch as much as possible in order to drop my power usage to save money on my bill. The transfer switch can be used all the time, not just during a power outage. For example, last month my power bill was only $16! (the outside temps are such that I don't have to run my AC right now so that helps). If you have enough solar and battery power you can keep your transfer switch powered off your power station 24/7. With my 10 circuit transfer switch basically I'm half on grid and half off grid.
@@Jasonoid whoa 300+ videos and $16 electricity bill? 👍👍. Got a real quick question then. You have advocated the use of cheaper batteries (via PV ports) instead of OEM expansion batteries to add kwh economically. Since these aren't connected to BMS of power station they will need to be separately charged with a solar or AC charger . So my question is, can these non OEM add on batteries be connected to a solar/AC charger (charging), and also connected to the power station, while the power station is doing AC discharging? Maybe it's time for another Jason test. BTW i checked out few other jackery 5000+ reviews on RUclips. Others are just box opening and first impression. Yours is a very complete test to verify specs. So big thank you for keeping OEM's honest.
Did you ever decide on one? I saw the Costco DP3 2-pack for $4999 but the Anker and Jackery 5000 has me second guessing. Lover the larger inverter, seems like it would handle bigger loads better. Costco has the Anker with extra battery and solar panels for $3999!
Nice thorough testing, Jason.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the testing!
@ I have been very critical of you in the past but have realized that you don’t just take free products. You’re actually conducting non-biased testing and giving information to those of us who might need it to help make informed decisions. Thank you for that and I don’t mind saying I was wrong -- keep up the great work my friend!
What I would like see with all these smart panels is that they will feed back into the entire house keeping everything going like a true whole home generator, not just 10 loads.
Install an interlock, that will do exactly that 👍
@Jasonoid thank you for the reply, but it won't be auto backup with the smart panel/switch. You would still need to physically shut off the main and then turn on the inverter breaker correct?
The smart transfer switch is automatic, the interlock would be a manual process.
Glad to see they have some pass through AC charging on the 240v port, though it does suck to have to only run 120v appliances. Better than the other options on the market though that basically don't work. So a very good option. It seems to be the best of the options on the market right now. I would definitely take this over a Anker f3800 or Ecoflow Pro Ultra.
I think it's a huge improvement over the Anker F3800. With the higher solar voltage, larger battery, and the fact you can get 3600 watts while AC charging are all big advantages.
Thanks for the deep-dive analysis. Pretty nerdy, but really helpful.
I basically test all the stuff I would want to know before buying one of these units 👍
Impressive comprehensive review Mr. Jason. Difficult to find cons on this unit. Finally a Jackery I would consider buying. I've owned two 500's for years but never looked at the newer models because of their proprietary solar charging and 8mm plugs. The idle consumption is amazing on this unit. It is more efficient than the 3kw inverter I used to make a portable system. I'm wondering if I plugged this to my fridge to use as a UPS and I lost power while vacationing to where it completely drained the battery before the grid came back on if it would remember to turn on the A/C plugs so that my fridge would turn on again like the Delta 3+ does? I really, really like this unit over any other one on the market now. Thanks for your fantastic review.
I'm glad you found the video helpful. After weeks of work it's good to hear that people want to hear all the results of my testing 👍
Impressive work! Thanks a lot for the video!
Great video as usual! 1) so you can AC charge at 1800w and send to 2 120v circuits via the 240v outlet. Does this limit the 2 circuits to 1800w max each leg via the 240v? Is the app as robust as Ecoflow or Bluetti? Thank youi!
If you have it set to the 0ms online ups mode, you can charge at 1800 watts and get up to 3600 watts output through any of the ports (the front ports or the 240v outlets on the side). The Jackery smart app works well, it has lots of settings and I have no complaints about the app.
Great addition to compete with the only other 2 240v stand alone unit which is the EcoFlow and Anker. The only problem I see is the clunky and odd DC inputs. 12v-60 and then jump to 135v plus the weird plugs. How are people that have smaller solar array going to arrange their panels. Even with 3 panels in series will put it over 60v. Then you have to series 6-7 panels just to get to 135v. Not a lot of people uses home solar and the high voltage to get it to 135v. Serious downfall with the quirky inputs.
You can always wire solar panels in a way to be compatible with these units you just need to put together a series or parallel combination 👍 I help people do that in their Anker F3800 everyday since it has a similar 60v limit.
It's nice to see that Jackery is finally bumping up into some truly premium products.
But with their reputation in need of repair from people truly "in the know" and their huge market share from the camping/overland crowd i feel like they really should've gone for a profit/volume approach here.
They could have easily severely unrcut even companies like Pecron and Oupes and STILL made a huge profit with how almost "household" their name is.
For instance one of my relatives who is the furthest thing from a geek and knows nothing about tech or electronics stuff immediately knew what a Jackery was when he saw mine 5-6 years ago.
I thought the pricing was pretty decent on this unit. Sure... not as low as Pecron or Oupes but those are budget models that have known quirks or issues with support / warranty. Jackery could have charged $4000++ for this unit but I give them props for choosing $3499 or $0.69 per wh. They are even giving away a transfer switch for free at that price.
@Jasonoid
I agree, the price point is very nice for this unit despite what I said. :)
But they had a chance to stick it to their competitors further and legitimately get their name into a segment they've been missing out on.
I'm not knocking points for not doing this as it'd be a pretty bold move on their part, it was just a thought.
I don't acquire anything in this space without your review. Thank you for being thorough.
What about Generator Integration? Easy/Hard/Nope?
Thanks!
Winner, Winner, chicken dinner! It would be interesting on the DC capacity tests if you were load up both the 12V and the USB sections as the 0.03C load is well outside the "sweet spot" where you see some swings in the efficiency curve (see the load tests done by the channel WaveformScience for instance). Jackery and EcoFlow have separate sections for 12V and USB on some of their power stations whereas Bluetti and Pecron do not. It amazes me that Jackery is the first company to offer an online mode for the UPS (zero transfer). Since the inverter is running all the time (i know this for both Bluetti and EcoFlow), online seems to be the logical choice but everyone wants to throw a mechanical relay in there for some reason. The Jackery seems to have fixed all the short comings of the F3800 in one nice compact product. Great review!!
I'll be honest, I'll leave the ultra in depth testing to other channels that want to do that. For a unit this large I don't think it's practical to track the efficiency of a full discharge while using the USB ports. The DC output took long enough and I had to do it twice since my meter reset the first time I did that test LOL. I feel the USB ports are a nice extra feature to have but they are not the main reason to purchase a product this large.
The other power station to offer an online UPS functionality is the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra, which is equally fast. I like seeing these products evolve and I agree that this one is much better than the Anker F3800.
@@Jasonoid Yes, 36 hours is true dedication!:)
great video. Strange they do not allow 240 V charging. Seems a big flaw to me for those of us that want to use it fr a full home automatic backup.
It's capable but locked to the transfer switch. Is a workaround possible?
Can it do AC coupling with a existing solar system
It doesn't do AC Coupling, it only acts like a transfer switch.
I ordered the 5000 plus with the smart panel for $3499.
5000 plus itself is $3499
But, as a promotion, they're throwing in a FREE smart panel worth $1699 for free.
As of 11-8-24, it's still $3499 for the 5000 plus and the smart panel.
I agree, it's a pretty awesome deal right now!
Very nice test, but - if one does a little research - one can come down to a *LOT!* (1/4, 1/5?) cheaper battery solutions if building batteries oneselves - buying individual cells and a BMS. Oh - also some dedication/interest in the topic ;)
Yes, these power stations are not for the DIYer. These are for people that want a plug n play solution. I have some interesting video ideas coming soon that you might find pretty interesting 😁
Will likely see these mostly running rv's like we see now with the ultra and the delta
Thank you great review very nice power station👍
I was looking for the link for the anderson power pole to 7909 and the 8020 adapter but I did not see that inyour description. Also, in your opinion which one would you choose Delta pro ultra or this Jackery? I like to think of portability, expandability and output. While the Ultra has better expandability it has less portability and they both have the same output. Also, I am new to solar can I use any panels for this system or do I have to buy the Jackery panels on their website?
I've added the adapters, thanks for the reminder, here they are:
Anderson Power Pole to 7909mm Adapter: amzn.to/3O30h3z
7909mm to 8020mm Adapter: amzn.to/3YGNrgo
As for the Jackery vs the EcoFlow Ultra they are both very capable. The Ultra is priced a bit higher because you do get a little more features. For example, you get full 240v output charging when AC charging at 120v. You also have a slightly larger battery and the ability to add more batteries down the road. The fans are completely silent on the Ultra as well.
You can use any brand of solar panel you want. You just need to meet the input specs.
Thinking about using one of these for an off grid cabin build. This would be running the cabin electricity every day with solar charging. What are your thoughts here? This looks like it might be designed more for on grid back up power usage.
If your cabin falls below freezing you'll need an option with heated batteries.
First time aside from the 100 Plus where i can say a jackery might actually be worth considering. But they still stuck to the "proprietary" Solar bullshit by not just using XT60.
I agree. I'd like to know how difficult it would be to replace the mc4 inputs on the Jackery if they are damaged. I've had some melt on my DC-Isolation switch, had to buy a whole new switch as the mc4 connectors were not accessible.
I added my own MC4 pigtail to the built in MC4s so I don't disconnect the ones on the unit.
Would probably be a warranty coverage type of thing. These are pretty difficult to disassemble
@@SamPowell-s3g I'm not talking about the mc4 I'm talking about the barrel plugs that should have been xt60. Mc4 for the high voltage is pretty common I think
Awesome video 👌 great explication thanks bro..
I’m trying to get confirmation from Jackery as which UL certification the 5000 and the smart transfer switch have. Here’s their response which I find odd:
The installation of Jackery 5000 Plus meets the necessary conditions of electrical regulations.Please be assured that our products are UL listed and we can sell them in Canada. If you encounter any problems during use, we will take full responsibility.
I looked in the owners manual, it does list a few certifications but not specifically the UL listing numbers.
If you are ac charging, why would you want to use this unit while the power is working?
Excellent review. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I would have an electrician do it because I am too ignorant. My big problem is that I live in a Town home with no basement, garage or room to put in enough solar panels having only a small fenced yard. Really it's more of a concrete pad to put a chair and table outdoors. I have an HOA which would not allow me to use the roof. If I had only known 39 years ago.
That's a tough scenario for trying to charge with solar panels! Sometimes you can hang solar panels out your windows temporarily.
I really wish they would have allowed for AC coupling like the Anker F3800, this would be the perfect home battery backup/ intro to solar if it did. The F3800 is nearly perfect except for the solar inputs, capping it at 60V really cripples it.
Definitely would have been nice to have that functionality. That is one of the benefits of the Anker F3800 with the smart home panel.
What do you mean by ac coupling?
@@jeffquasarano7 ac coupling allows the inverter in the battery to sync with the grid and push power back into the rest of your house. So you can use the solar generated by the f3800 to power any load in your house, but during a grid outage only the devices in the backup loads panel are powered.
AC coupling is found in hybrid inverters like the EG4 12kpv and 18kpv. So its just a really cool feature to find in an all in one battery backup unit.
Excellent presentation 👏 👏 👏 fantastic
Thanks for watching!
Thank you Jason, great review. Just wondering whether UPS functions can be disabled? As using for off grid, there is no reason for that function.👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸👍🏻🇺🇸
Theres no way to turn it off, however, the UPS function is only active when AC charging so if you are only charging with solar you don't need to worry about it.
@ can Smart Transfer switch grid input be able to turn off? Or can it be prioritized by app setting? Thank you Jason
@@adassociates8235 not sure, I didn't test that with the transfer switch.
Could you do a comparison of this and Anker F3800?
I plan to do a video down the road 👍 However, the biggest differences are that the Jackery has a bigger battery, a larger inverter, it's also much more capable with solar charging due to the 450v input vs only 60v on the Anker, and it can still power loads while AC charging (up to 3600 watts).
The Anker requires a bit of work to charge with full solar input and to use it while AC charging. I'd recommend this one over the Anker.
Does the smart app allow for any options like peak shaving? That isn't a big item for me at the moment, but I know that is a reality for many and probably me too in the future.
It seems the Jackery Smart Transfer Switch does that and it seems you can connect to that with the smart app. The device on it's own does not do that when connected to a manual transfer switch.
What we want to know is how long will it run a desktop computer, 65in TV, and Starlink.
Take the battery capacity (5040wh) then divide it by the load wattage (250 watts) and it will give you a runtime in hours.
5040 / 250 = 20 hours.
Prefect testing! Any thoughts on the EV charging capabilities? Is there an EV Mode like the Anker F3800?
EV chargers require a ground to charge. If they don't sense a ground, they won't start charging your car. The F3800 EV mode simply bonds the ground to the neutral inside the inverter. I didn't see a specific EV mode on the Jackery, but I think using a common 'grounding/bonding plug' would work to get the same effect.
@@JasonoidThank you for replying. That’s correct I’ve been charging a Cadillac Lyric for testing purposes on my F3800.
how did this unit charge of a gas generator? I did not see that part- how did it do?
I didn't test that in the video. However, it should charge from an inverter gas generator just fine.
Thanks, Jason. Good stuff. Question... For whole home, which do you recommend, this Jackery 5000 or the Ecoflow Pro Ultra?
Theres a lot to that question! You'd probably okay with either option. However, I like how the EF Ultra has a separate inverter/charger unit (since thats the unit thats most likely to break) that can be replaced without shipping heavy batteries. The benefit would be if something goes wrong, shipping back the inverter unit is MUCH easier than shipping back batteries....
The Jackery has a lower entry cost and seems to be a very high quality unit. It just depends on how you are using the device.
If money isn't an issue with you I'd say go for the Ecoflow DPU. Its just better all the way around. My Panel is unfortunately in my room so having the Ecoflow is a Blessing. I don't hear it at all. Just a couple of clicks in the morning when the sun first comes up. (if I'm paying attention to it) and that's it. The low pv voltage is higher. The Batteries stack up nicer the jacket looks like it would take up a lot of space if you max it out. DC options are better on the Jackery though.
@@Jasonoidthank you. I guess I meant that if price was the same, which would you recommend. Sounds like the EF Ultra is the way to go.
@@Moes_Prep_and_Techthank you. I was leaning the same way. Appreciated.
Can two be connected to power a 50amp breaker back feed at 12,000 running watts to power a house?
Right now they don't have a 50 amp HUB, it might be something they launch in the future.
If i understand it correctly, the 240v outlet while ac charging will still power both legs of panel at 120v but it's not split phase so my 240v appliances won't work. But i will still have both legs of 120? If that's correct that's awesome. Please confirm? It was discussed at around 33 minute mark.
Yep, that's exactly what happens. You can still power 120v circuits, you just won't be able to power your 240v loads. Make sure it's set to the '0ms Online' UPS mode in order to allow for 3600 watts output while charging.
I think that's what he said I have to watch that part again. But there is a device that you could buy that could get you Split phase, it's not cheap though. Victron makes it. You basically plug Two 120volt plugs into it and it turns it into 240. the youtube johnny's weekends did a video on it
Can you hook up 4000W high PV and 1200W low PV at the same time giving you 5200W total? Will it allow you to go over 4000W as long as you don't upset the voltage or amperage or does it shut down at 4000W?
Yes, you can use both PV inputs at the same time, however, it seems there is a software programing that keeps it from going above 4000 watts. Maybe once expansion batteries are added that limit is removed? You might have to reach out to Jackery about that question.
The fatal flaw is no 240V when 120V charging. The same limitation as the Anker F3800. The EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 will happily output 240V while 120V charging.
I wonder if they can make a 240V charging cable that doesn't require the smart home panel. If they can enable 240V pass through charging via a simple cable that would make the limitation mostly moot.
Did you see the charging section of the video where I cover what actually happens? Hint, it's not anything like the Anker F3800...
@@Jasonoid Yes, I understand having a single 120V phase on L1 and L2 is better than no output at all. However, 240V appliances will still not work. Which is why I think they should release a 240V input cable if it's possible.
That and enable a switch of the neutral from floating to bonded like the F3800. This would allow me to supercharge the battery using the 30amp 240v outlet of my F150 Powerboost which is a bonded neutral generator design.
I don’t know why they don’t put 100ah batteries in these. Yes you put a big load on it but full capacity it’s only going to last an hour or less.. I need runtime.
It basically has 5 100ah batteries inside, a little less but close.
Thanks for the review on this unit Jason. Could this 5000 be charged using a gas generator as I do not yet have P V panels or would I need to get a EG4 chargeverter as well? Also if I did that ,
could it be connected to the dc charge ports as on the Anker f3800 video to be able to fool it and use the 240 output while charging? Thanks again, Ken
If you have a modern 'inverter generator' you should be able to charge just fine from that. Most power stations will not charge from the old school generators though.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for the reply sir , I'll have to check the specs on my gen, its a 5000 watt Honda, thought I might have to get the chargeverter as you used in the Anker vid.
@@Jasonoid could I please ask you a follow up question regarding the EG4 and the Jackery 5000? Similar set up, looking to power the house with the Jackery and recharge with a generator (solar panels will come later). AC charging is limited to 1800 W. High-voltage DC could charge at 4000 W. Could I use a generator with an EG4 to charge the Jackery at 4000 W?
Thanks very much for your insights.
@scottmeaney no, high solar input requires 135v, 48v battery tops out at 59v. You'll have to use the low PV input for about 1200 max.
When using the smart transfer switch, does AC charging still kill 240v ability?
I don't think so. I can't confirm without it being fully installed.
That looks great. Wish I could afford one.
It's all about financial priorities and saving for your goals. With enough discipline most people can save up for these units in a reasonable time.
I know you said it doesn't make any beep sounds when solar first comes in but does it make a clicking sound? My Ac300 and "Quiet" Ecoflow DPU make that sound when the sun rises in the morning. I hate the fact that the low pv side is only 60volts It would of been cool if it was 150. I wish other power stations out there did 20amps PV charging like this one isn't the Anker the only one that does that?
No beeps or alarms, but it does have a charging relay that clicks on. It's not nearly as noticeable as the large relay in the EF DPU though. I like the 20 amp input for the low solar, I wish the DPU also had that high of amps :(
can a jackery switch run the other way what I mean is switch to the grid after it runs out of battery power then switch back to the jackery when the power solar panels kick in automatically
Since it's an automatic transfer switch you can use the smart app to control when you are powered off the Jackery vs when you are powered off the grid (plus when the power goes out).
Wish they had a automatic start switch for a generator or when that dies
Now that would be cool! I know EcoFlow has that built into their new smart generators!
@ that smart panal needs an up grade so one can auto start any generator with a starter.
Dear... Can jackery solar generator 5000 plus run similtinously 120 volt and 240 volt?
Watch the charging chapter of the video I discuss that thoughoughly
Great testing Jason! Is Jackery coming back?
It seems they are trying to! ha
I'm curious about Harbor Freight now, lol
I have a 38 panel grid tied system. How do I go about having those, charge the Jackery 5000? Do I need a hybrid inverter in between the panels and the power station?
Unfortunately, these 'plug n play' systems aren't compatible with grid tie solar setups. It would be best to invest your money into a hybrid inverter setup that will also allow battery backup so everything is seemless.
@Jasonoid thank you. I am interested in a consultation so I can be sure to get the right set up
@@Art38Nh I don't work with grid tied systems, you should be able to find a local solar installer that would be willing to integrate a battery setup though.
69 cents per watt hour is a good deal? I guess everything is relative as they say. For the same money you can buy ten 450 watt solar panels. I think I rather go for the solar panels. How much does it cost to charge the battery after it is drained? People probably dont know that charging one of these is going to run up their power bill significantly, when the power is restored.
Just last year power station were priced over $1.00 per wh, so $0.69 cents is an awesome price drop for newer features, especially from Jackery.
I only charge my power station from grid power if it's a last resort. I charge with solar panels as much as possible and when you can find 400w panels for around $100 each, why not get both the power station and the solar? My monthly power bill is around $17!
In this video I show how to find these solar panel prices locally: ruclips.net/video/pLRKljjaqMA/видео.html
@@Jasonoid Tariffs are going to change all of that. You can expect to double the costs.
@@Jasonoid You are hard wired to the panel. Most people arent savvy enough to grasp that concept. They just want something to plug their TV into when a hurricane takes them off line for a week. People in Ecuador (americans...) are scrambling for these units because the whole country is black due to low water levels at the hydro plants.
@@JuanSanchez-ik7wx that's what they say 👍
Not bad at all.
Positive Comment!!!
Positive reply :) :)
I wonder why the DC-DC efficiency is so low at 82%? It should be 96% to 98% efficient with DC to DC stepdown. Thoughts @Jasonoid
I mentioned why I thought it was in the video. It uses a 110v DC battery. Dropping from 110v down to 12v isn't going to be as efficient as a normal 48v battery.
The DC-DC conversation efficiency should still be way higher than 82%. My solar charge controller drops the 100VDC coming from my array down to 14.6VDC and is 98% efficient
You could always email them about it. I just run the tests and show the results. I'm not an engineer of the product 🤷
@@Jasonoid I know you are not a Jackery engineer. What an asinine statement
What's the point of the 2 UPS modes. Does the 0 millisecond mode use more standby power?
One allows more power to be pulled from the inverter.
@@Jasonoid So why not have that one mode for full functionality? There must be a downside to it if they are giving it to the user as an option.
@@turtle1723 I don't know exactly, the owners manual isn't very clear and Jackery said they were going to improve the wording. I think it has to do with bypass power limits. The 20ms setting only lets you pull around 1500 watts before it shuts off. The 0ms setting allows you to power up to 3600 watts without shutting down.
They would have a real leg up on the competition if they could output 240 while charging, it would be even better if the charging was 120/240 like having a built in chargeverter.......
It's good that you can at least get the 120v bridged output while charging (to power 120v circuits in your main panel) but not being able to power a well pump or other 240v loads is definitely a downside.
@@Jasonoid I want to make sure I understand this correctly.....if you are charging with 120V AC, both halves of the 240V output are enabled, but in-phase/bridged?
Correct. You can still power 120v loads, just not 240v loads.
Any plans to test the smart transfer switch?
it would be a hassle for him to do it. I think he likes the Neutrality of Reliance one he has now he had the opportunity to install the Ecoflow switch (which is better then this one) but didn't. I personally wouldn't want to get tied down to one Ecosystem if I had access to different units from multiple companies like he does
@ I get it from a personal usage POV, but was wondering if a test bed could be setup to test those. I personally would like to see this.
I wish I had a way to test these transfer switches but I don't have the room. They also cost hundreds of dollars to install or remove by a local electrician. I can't be swapping back and forth since every company has their own panel now so I stick with my generic manual option for testing.
@ I hope that didn’t come across badly. I very much appreciate your reviews and was looking forward to seeing your take on the Jackery 5000 Plus as soon as you mentioned you were reviewing the unit in a comment in another video.
I think Jackery found the sweet spot between the F3800 and the DPU. To think of it, that’s a hard hit on the DP3 I think.
Another great poignant review of significant features and points of interest. Jackery has stepped up big time.
Thanks for sharing your feedback!
Excellent Video
Had a few questions you might be able to answer…
Does Jackery have something similar to the Anker power hub where you can tie two 240v together and then into a generator inlet
When using the smart home panel, can you have one large breaker out into an interlock breaker on the main panel? If so, what size breaker would be recommended for two 5000’s?
Curious to know what happens if two 5000’s are connected to smart home panel and I go to AC charge one of the 5000’s ?
Thanks very much for your time and content.
1) Jackery only has the Jackery smart transfer switch right now, I'm not sure of any plans to make a simple combiner hub for a generator inlet. I think that would be great though.
2) The owners manual recommends using a 100amp breaker when installing the Jackery transfer switch to grid power.
3) I'm not sure what would happen in that case as I don't have two units to test with.
Thanks Jason. I understand that this is meant to be a home backup unit, but I do think it's a missed opportunity not to provide a 30A RV outlet delivering a full 30 amps, or a DC outlet with at least 25 amps. I mean, if it's this big and powerful, why not provide these features?
Yeah, they missed out on the opportunity for people in the RV world that want the higher DC loads.
Anker f3800 vs this minus the solar? Sorry about that 😅. I see why the Anker went down but do you think the quality is similar?
Huh?
What would Hobotech say?
Grrreeeetings!
450 volts PV, nice job, Jackery.
They are finally taking it to the next level!
I have never given Jackery a second glance for any of their other offerings. Mostly due to Solar input barrel connections, unfold-able handle and slow to market standard solutions like LFP battery chemistry. But something this well rounded and at this price, they have my attention. Now, do they ship to Hawaii and do they have any authorized resellers here with inventory for the 5000s?
It's a newer product so probably not yet. I'd email them to see if they have plans to work with a distributor there.
@ Thanks for the response, but the question at the end was more ment in sarcasm. No one ships here (Hawaii) unless a big box store gets whatever older model surplus they are trying to purge.
Looks like a copy of the Anker but better. Anker tops out at 60V solar input for 2400 watts 2x xt-60 ports at 1200 watts each. The Anker can be had for $2699 so it's cheaper. Jackery is playing catchup - I don't see a circuit breaker panel to tie into the home wiring. Maybe that will be out shortly.
I showed the Jackery Smart Transfer Switch at the end of the video
@ thanks! Sort of wished I'd waited another month before I got the Anker 3800 !! Jackery has been hard at work after falling behind.
This video made me ferociously jealous (kidding) (not really), so I wrote an email to anker feedback asking for a firmware update so I can have zero ms cutover on my F3800, too. Seems like it would be possible with a simple firmware update. I hope they consider it.
That would be a really great improvement!
@@Jasonoid Anker wrote me back. Confirmed it's not possible with a firmware update and the desire for it is already on their radar. I then suggested a small module that can be inserted in the homeplug port on the F3800 that takes a C13 in, monitors the sinewave, waits for it to sync with the inverter, then switches when the frequency hits zero. That would be a kickass accessory for guys like me who want cheap time-of-use without a bulky install in a small apartment.
Unfortunately, just the brand name of "Jackery" would be a no sale for me, based on years of following the development of solar power companies.
I totally understand 😂 They turned a new leaf with this model. I hope people even give it a chance by watching the whole video to see how good it is 👍
Would you Imagine how this Power Station would look if they used their Original Color Scheme, lol
why do i get the feeling that jason has no fear of power outages
My grid power is literally on 100% time, it is wrong for me to ask for a power outage every once in a while? LOL...
@@Jasonoid lmaoooo
Anker F3800 is $2600.00 ...
It's cheaper for sure, and for multiple reasons
-smaller inverter
-smaller battery
-60 volt solar limit
-240v shuts off completely when AC charging
If those things don't bug you, it's all good to buy the cheaper model 👍
Nice surprise today seeing your review :-) Thank you!!
I appreciate you are reviewing some Jackery units too! Thank you.
I appreciate the quick clarity on the "unit for free/testing" vs your opinions. Your grading sheet says so much and how you do your work as well. I trust your results and thank you for your efforts (and the support behind the scenes).
I noticed a comment on another reviewer's Jackery 1000v2 that you had the unit but didn't publish the review. If you did any of the testing, would you consider adding it to your grading sheet for any values you have (without a letter grade even). While I understand many probably aren't interested, I'm considering it for a few reasons over a Delta 2/3 given I need portable backup AC power for a refrig so some of the usual drawbacks with Jackery don't apply.
Great job on this!! 👍👍
If I end up doing all the testing on the product I will post the results in my grading sheet. I am contemplating doing the Jackery 2000v2 since it's so compact versus the other 2000wh models.
Thanks for considering!
The 2000v2 is interesting too. My spouse's lifting ability preferred the 1000v2 since it was lighter. But, if we get a 2nd unit, then maybe the 2000v2 if it reviews/tests well. I like more battery capacity :-)
And, I understand testing takes time away from other things. Deciding what to review/test and not has to be hard sometimes!
Anker F3800 vs Jackery 5000 Plus.. What would be the best unit to buy?
The Jackery 5000 is slightly more expensive BUT I think the advantages are worth it! Larger battery, larger inverter, much better solar charging with high voltage, faster 0ms UPS, and you can still charge and use the power station at the same time. That's alot of reasons haha
Thank you ! Just wanted confirmation.. will be purchasing the Jackery 5000 plus ..
@@eliv.8095 I think you'll enjoy it
*What are you doing Jason ? Why are you testing 120 Volt AC appliances through the 240 Volt AC Split-phase output for ? (Yes I know you have the output broken down to 120 Volts AC per line). Why are you not doing this testing through the built in 120 Volt AC 20 Amp sockets on the front of the Jackery 5000 unit itself ? Most people will not be using the bizarre setup you have put together here.*
Bizarre? Maybe you don't use it that way but most people will be pulling max power through the 240v output while it's connected to some sort of transfer switch or interlock to feed their home. Who wants to run extension cords all over their home?
@@Jasonoid Exactly ! Apparently YOU DO ! Why you did not simply plug in the 240 Volt AC Split-Phase Output into your home's master box via a generator interface and switchover relay I will never know (???) You should have performed the surge test by plugging those appliances into your house's 120 Volt AC wall sockets then connect your Jackery 5000 to your Home's main power box via a generator switchover, and then performed the surge test. Now that would have been a real test !
@@markjob6354 wait... In your first comment you said I should be using the ports on the front of the power station and now your saying use the 240v output for the tests? Now I'm just confused on what you want.
You understand the max load test is a controlled setup to keep the load exactly at 7200 watts, right? Its impossible for me to both film the test and run around the entire house adjusting loads so that's why I use that adapter. I've tried the other way around where I have heaters connected all over the house, it's stupid. Both tests provide the same exact results, except one test I can easily adjust the loads as needed since they are all sitting in one place. Don't work harder, work smarter.
@@Jasonoid You're conflating two separate points I was making into a contradiction. Point 1. I wrote most people will be using power tools on an extension cord plugged into the front of the unit, like the table saw you demonstrated. 2. The 240 Volt AC output (7200W @30 Amps) is designed for home backup, so I think you should be performing the overdraw tests through plugging into your home's main box, and, if necessary, running around the house turning on or off stuff. It isn't stupid at all. Your are demonstrating the unit's performance in a real world scenario, which is the point is it not ?
Not bad but I'm invested in ecoflow I'm hoping that because of your price is being lower that they will lower their prices cuz I sure do need a lot batteries maybe once I sell my house and go to a new one I'll invest in jackery we'll see
Price 20,000$ 😢😂
So again no pass through charging.
This allows for 3600 watts of output from the 240v outlets while AC charging. It's actually two 120v legs bridged together instead of 240v, so it still powers essential loads.