Stephen Larkham is currently the coach of the ACT Brumbies, the only team that holds its own against the New Zealand rugby teams within Super Rugby. He's a World Cup winner with over 100 caps. More than anything, he understands the history and culture of Australian rugby and played in an era when Australia was consistently the number one team in the world. If anything, this man deserves an opportunity.
Brother, I 100% agree. At the very end of last year, they secured victories over Scotland and Wales. They also had 2 close games that could've gone either way against France and Ireland. Yes, they had a very lackluster performance against Italy, and they had to deal with an insane amount of injuries. But again, I completely agree that Dave Rennie should be coaching the Wallabies. However, we can't live in the past, and hopefully, things will turn around soon.
I have just posted the same - Brumbies are the most consistent OZ team for several years. It was bizarre that Eddie Jones picked more Rebels players than Brumbies players in his squad. Bring in Larkham!!
I think the plan was for Rennie to see this cycle, then have Dan Mckellar take over. But he and anither coach left when EJ signed the 5 year deal. He'd basically been blocked off. Now he's at Leicester.
And that's because, my friend, World Rugby rankings have only been recognized since 2003. In 1991, Australia won the Rugby World Cup. From 1992 to 2002, they won seven Bledisloe Cups against New Zealand and lost only two or three games a year….. Most years, They also won in 1989 and 2001 Lions tour. They also won the 1999 World Cup and made it to the finals 2003 When it comes to the northern hemisphere, they would dominate. They have been ranked number one once again. My friend, the rankings have only been recognized up to 2003."
Not picking Hooper and Cooper was wrong, and let’s be honest that’s without hindsight. We all said it. A team needs leaders, there weren’t any on that pitch for Auz. EJ seems to have declined massively since 2019, no idea what’s happened. Maybe there’s something going on behind the scenes we aren’t privy to? 🤷🏼♂️
Hooper and Cooper have been in 2 world cups. And in both WC won nothing. Last world cup win was 1999 with Tim Horan in squad. Had the opportunity to win Bledisloe since our last win was 2002, but then Quade got slammed for mishandling and dropping the ball but now we suddenly believe it was wrong to not include him in the squad for WC? Two people dont just make the whole team. We needed to rebuild our team from the ground up just that it's a bit late in realising it.
Foley and Pete Samu should have been in the squad and you are forgetting that Eddie brought ina new style of play and culture which would take longer than 8 months to implement
@@soniufiamorat1783Hooper and Cooper was in the last 2 world cups where they made the quarter finals did you say? Wallabies 2023 is without a doubt the WORST Wallabies team ever. Like Namibia, Georgia, Portugal etc - the Wallabies will not be going to the quarter finals
Here's some news for anyone who cares. Chairman McLennan and Eddie haven't spoken for weeks, despite Hamish chasing him and moving to stab Rennie in the back and firing him over zoom. These are two big personalities and what started as a rosie relationship has collided on numerous occasions. I know Eddie had an assistant call Hoops first and when they eventually did chat he just said to him 'fitness mate', despite Hoops saying he'd be good to go by the warm-up match against France. He then went and selected a bunch of injured players. EJ has a get-out clause plus a performance clause in his contract and I'm told he's done. That said, McLennan, the architect of this chaos is standing firm and saying he will 'fix this mess'. The players are distraught and are not sure who is running what at the moment. Senior players who have been left out of the squad are saying Eddie has fed the inexperienced team to the wolves. Sadly for our overseas mates, I'm not sure you ever appreciate Rugby is by far the fourth winter sport in Australia. AFL is an absolute behemoth across the country, incredibly well run and heaps of cash, rugby league is massive on the east coast and can cherry-pick the best junior rugby talent and every kid essentially starts playing soccer. The game simply cannot compete in the talent war, the marketing war of the financial war. Here is Aus we look at the footy talent in league and AFL and if we had 10% of that player group, we're another All Blacks without question, but we missed that opportunity to imbed the game at grassroots level over 20 years ago. The horse has bolted and is across the Nullabor now... I've been in many meetings recently with RA and they are flat broke, have no vision, they don't even know what to do, we have a sinking ship, Eddie has looked inside the tent, which is why he's grabbed his parachute with the Japan chat. Sadly, there are not many lifeboats left. All our super rugby franchises are near broke, we're about to have a mass exodus of experienced players, private equity is a dead duck and the game is looking to borrow significant cash to try and arrest the ongoing decay and funnel into holding some talent. Poor buggers in the marketing department at RA (2 people) have to try and sell Lions packages later this year. Can you believe it? Laugh at our demise if you want but there are damn good people here in Aus who make the game great, genuine characters and like every country salt of the earth folks who have devoted their life to the game. We've had unbelievable mismanagement for two decades and it's been more the aussie spirit and punching above our weight that has glossed over our failed structure. The loss to Wales may possibly bring the aggressive change we need down here but don't hold your breath. Lots happening behind the scenes but we genuinely need other nations to support us because the national part of rugby is our key differential from the other footy codes.
People overseas just don’t realise how big the AFL and NRL are. The AFL competition ranks in the world top 5 and the NRL would easily be in the top 3 Rugby comps . All the good athletes go to these sports .
@@christianwithers7335 you have no idea mate. Australia is the most saturated sporting landscape in the world. Show me another country where there is a such a thick football divide such as ours. Half the country plays aussie rules, the other half plays rugby league, the leftovers play football, and the crumbs i.e. the private school RM Williams & North Face brigade play rugby union. That's just a fact. If all of our combined football code talent, or even just 10% of them as said above, focused on Union, we would blow all of you clowns to smithereens. Your average Australian bloke is twice as big and athletic as your average Pom, Leprechaun or Frenchie. We don't focus on Union because from our perspective, the sport has gone to shit and we have better things to watch. It's boring, stuffy and over regulated. We like our sports to be fast and enterprising. We pioneered attacking rugby union. Look up that legendary Bledisloe game between Aus and NZ back in 00 or 01, when Lomu scored after the 80th min and an epic Aussie fightback. That's how it's meant to be played. But then you weirdos in the northern hemisphere decided the game should be decided by penalty kicks to give yourselves a chance. So then we tuned out, because unlike NZ and SA, we already had other options.
I cannot describe how satisfying that win was knocking Australia out in the pools coached by Eddie Jones in that way. Not bad for a nation Eddie Jones described as " sh!t little country of three million people" eh.
Anscombe always had undoubtable quality just a shame how much he’s been hindered by injuries, priceless in this wales squad too with the lack of depth at outside half as no offence to Costello but the drop off between Biggar and him is huge
That's one reason why Fiji came back in the last 10 minutes against us: we were coasting at 32-14, and pretty much been solid. But then we got a stupid yellow card, and Biggar left the pitch. Costelow came on, but he's not experienced at this level. He didn't manage the game; no leadership and control from 10. He's talented, and will learn, but you're right: the gulf between him, Biggar and Anscombe is huge.
@@burntgod7165 completely agree, I love anscombe and would love to see him play more but biggar is just so smart from the way he plays to the way he speaks to officials he’s like a rugby encyclopaedia nothings gets passed him
You chaps are unfortunately wide of the mark. how long has it taken Ireland to become a powerhouse of rugby. Australia used to be the easybeats till Dick Marks appeared on the scene. Then Ireland became the easybeats till Joe Schmidt appeared on the scene. Winning is easy till defeat is around the door. Eddie Jones is a good coach. Perhaps not a good selector.
@@oisinquinn9469 It's this revolving door policy of quick fixes with replacing coaches as implied here with Andy Friend. Farrell has been lucky to inherit a good team from Gentleman Joe. But as I should have said loss is around the corner any time soon and judging by Ireland's brave performance I don't think that is going to be enough. I personally for the sake of promoting a global game would dearly like to see a different side other than the All Blacks or Springboks win the RWC. Replacing Eddie is not the answer either. Other than his poor selections and his stultifying game plan.
And as an objective view, as a Welsh supporter. If we get Argentina, that game will be super super super tough. A positive for us, if we get Ireland: we know we can beat them (as in, we have in the 6N not a million years ago). That said, Ireland will want us out due to us kicking them out about 3 World cups ago. I can't believe I'd say this, because this is how good I think Ireland are, but I'd fancy Wales more against NZ.... how crazy is that. Also partly because we have a win 'coming' against them (we've come very close many times before). Wondering what Gats will do for Georgia. A tough tough game. Im personally hoping he rotates massively and we just get the win. That would give some players almost 3 weeks of rest until the quarter final! Let's see how the momentum swings!
I listened to Jone's audiobook recently. I suppose it was a pretty good reference manual for managers starting out in the real / corporate world, but I was left with the impression that he has sucked up a whole load of academic management courses and now tries to manage by numbers, which leads to no individuality/style/natural charisma, and therefore, players (and some staff members) will see through it, leaving him with the anger card to play.
Just how lucky were England to sack him. If he walks and takes on a coaching role in Japan 1. It doesn’t look good for Japanese future progress. 2. Extremely bad for EJ in his recent denial of contact with JRFU. He is totally toxic character. Cant see ANY players wanting to run through walls for him.
Australian Rugby is broken. Australia is now a Tier 2 Rugby nation. Why? 20 years of neglect by the ARU. NOT one current Wallaby would make world 15 or second or third World 15. Australia just does not have the quality of players to compete Internationally. Sacking Eddie is just a side issue and distraction.
Disagree... Tompkins is a headless chicken, he regularly loses his composure, plays 9, bumps into 1st receiver, flies out of the line, vanishes in the line, poor George North v Fiji looked a mess because Tompkins kept finding himself all over the shop and North had to defend at 12 and 13 at the same time lol. That said, against Aus, he was disciplined, solid in defence, structured, patient... he always had the attacking threat, but if he plays like he did v Aus, did his own specific job, allow North to do his job he will be top class!!!!
@@jonnygeorge7325I hope England meet Fiji in the quarters and demolish them. Nothing has stuck in my throat more than EVERYONE jumping on the “fiji are my 2nd favourite team” bollox. Wales v England final 😉
Welsh supporter here. I think it is clear Goode has a personal, totally unobjective vendetta against Eddie Jones. To think he can call George Gregan bias 😂 This ENTIRE episode's purpose was to stroke Goode's ego. My opinion: Yes, Eddie Jones has to go but there are so many more structural issues in the Australian Rugby Union that need fixing. Ultimately, I do think this was probably coming but please let's never hear Goode chunter on and on and on again.
Yes there was far too much “look how much I know about rugby” coming from Goode. It’s not like his view is nuanced anyway - most people have been saying the same thing for a long time!
But you know what - Goode was right. Eddie Jones has now presided over the worst Australian defeat in a world cup since its foundation. How can you defend Jones for that disaster?
@@celticlofts no need to defend Jones but to omit the glaring deficiencies and problems that Australian rugby is facing (and has faced for arguably a decade) is missing the big picture.
The pod has become more PC since the Spotify deal. Probably has to do with making it more "mainstream" to generate larger numbers. EJ was the best thing to happen to England since 2004. The decline after 2019 was to be expected as it was the end of the cycle and lack of player quality in the Prem. Yes, coaching also had to do with it but the structural problems are there.
You cut Rennies throat and let old mate come in,ARU just destroyed the Wallabies brand,which made AFL and Rugby League and Football even more stronger on the back of this Jones led dumpster fire
I would go even further. EJ started the Wallabies taking shortcuts, light props that couldn't scrum etc. Instead of doing the hard work, the Wallabies have taken the easy road ever since and paid dearly. Time to rebuild and do it tough.
I find it interesting that these guys have a certain take on Eddie Jones. Right or wrong. But if you watch GBRA podcast with Giteau, Drew Mitchell and Adam Ashley Cooper. They'd run through walls for the fella. (Barring Drew's hungover outburst last week lol!!)
Your right Australia has bigger issues than just Eddie Jones, its the ARU chairmen Hamish McLennan who sacked Rennie and put him in place 8 months out of a world cup that idea is just stupidly insane! Eddie knows only one way to coach a team, start form scratch with a full rebuild and new style, sadly it just does not work in 8 months out of a world cup. The squad the Wallabies had last year under Rennie that toured Europe in Spring which was not even at full strength would have easily made the quarter finals under Rennie. Hamish McLennan needs to be held accountable! I disagree with your comment Aussies did not take Rennie well, thats not true a lot of Aussie were impressed with last years results with a weak squad against France and Ireland and NZ.
Nice play from Wales. The Northern hemisphere is playing winning Rugby. It's efficient, ruthless, no bullshit. Down here, in Oz and NZ, we're still obsessed with running the ball from everywhere. It's nice to know we can create a bit of magic, but the reality is, the interchange rules nowadays have significantly decreased our ability to run our opponents forwards into the ground. Our lineouts, and set-phases are inconsistent. We can't kick for touch with accuracy to relieve pressure, or get better field position. Moreover, lo and behold, if we decide to play smart Rugby - aka using drop and penalty kicks to keep the scoreboard ticking over, it's a bit risky if we'll be accurate enough. The days of dazzling first five playmakers, with equal kicking ability/prowess running game, hasn't been seen since Carter down here. It's like we're trying to recreate lightening in a bottle. We need to revert back to the Grant Fox and Mike Lynagh, type First-fives, reliable, consistent, accurate.
I'm glad to have had a beer with the great rugby coach Eddie Jones in Samoa. He is the 1st pair of lips that put the Bullying reporters in their place especially the annoying bloody poms! All reporters who tried to expose any untruth or stigma on the man gets rips to pieces right there & then live on the microphone ha ha ha. Eddie Jones knows all the ins &outs of rugby coaching on the top level. To prove that he helped improve heaps of Aussie ruggers, Japanese, Sth Africans, English, he's now re-starting rugby coaching rounds again with the same sharp tougue. He never apply for a coaching job but gets approached & picked by each nation he coaches. He makes more money than all the reporters who got the sharp end of his half Japanese and half Aussie piercing tongue! Just say Eddie Jones to any reporter & watch them scream!!!!!
I think this result has been overblown. They are a very young team and I do not think the true worth of this team of this team will be realized until the next World Cup.
The Australian public lost enthusiasm for rugby a long time ago and I don't believe that's necessarily an indictment of the ARU. It all started slowly going downhill for Australia the minute rugby turned professional in the 90s. Before it was professional, our skinny and lean private school boys could cut it with the best. Most private school boys go on to be white collar workers, not athletes. A lot of your ex Wallabies from the 90s and early 2000s are banking and corporate executives. I've seen Phil Waugh on a few banking town hall zoom meetings. As world rugby got more professional, everyone except us got bigger, stronger and more athletic. So we had to begin poaching NRL players like Sailor, Rogers and Tuqiri. Everyone at the time thought that this was a big statement from the ARU in Australia, but it was really just masking a very fundamental problem that would take 20 years to smack us in the face. Our private school talent just can't compete with the world anymore. It also hasn't helped (us) that rugby has generally become a lot more boring to watch, so there won't be any interest to drive grassroots participation. That's all swallowed up by football, AFL and NRL. And if kids aren't playing union then they won't watch it on tv, and then when there's less union to watch because it's not rating well, then less kids are going to see it and want to play. The ARU can only do so much, and with their backs so hopelessly against the wall, what chance do they have either? How are they going to sell this game to the Australian public? The current they are being expected to swim against is too strong.
Do you guys realise in the last 2weeks all 4 Rugby heavyweights of the South ( NZ, S.A., AUS, Argentina) was beaten by rivals from North at this world cup.France beat NZ, Eng beat Arg, Ireland beat S.A., And Wales beat AUS.
Maybe Eddie Jones was exactly what Australian Rugby Union needed to get their bell rung and start thinking about the future more seriously. On the other hand if Australia wants to be a league and Australian Rules footy country, so be it. Sadly the world of rugby will be poorer for it, but you can't force australians to like union and it seems they've made their choice.
Looking at how the NRL and AFL Grand Finals went down last weekend versus how the Wallabies have been going for the past few years provides a snapshot of why the country has by and large rejected rugby union for rugby league and Aussie Rules, and it’s not hard to see why
His World Cup record is a series of ‘Nearly there.’ His narcissistic character is fine to a point, but his character does not allow for personal expression. I want to see personal expression of a player demonstrated on the pitch and turning a game. Only so much of a match can be planned for and muscled out. That tends to be rather boring. South Africa for example. I know it takes a special sort of manager to allow his team to express their individual talents. They are the men that need to be discovered. From there let it evolve. George Best/ Barry John did not need plans and schemes. They had vision and talent which most of us cannot begin to imagine. The system is crushing the potential of those guys of today and tomorrow. Rugby needs to find them and let the breath.
Jim is absolutely spot on about Eddie. He's still a human being so let's not celebrate his demise too much. That said, Aus is hosting the next world cup so the HAVE to get their business in order before then otherwise no one in the country will care.
Didn’t have to be brilliant to know the whole Eddie thing was wrong.. and would end in tears. He tries to be a genius but he’s just an idiot. Got lucky a couple of times.
It's going to go 2 ways for EJ, either his time is up and he be long gone, or the redemption arch in 4 years time. I have a feeling if he's given the 4 years to the next world cup, I wouldn't doubt EJ contending and proving everyone wrong. It will be his last opportunity. It's either going to end in a fairy-tale or complete failure, being known as the head coach who can get to world cup finals but always falling on the last hurdle. Time will tell... The game desperately needs Australia, I hope for the games sake they get back to contending with the big boys, same for England.
Agreed. However, mourinhos seems like a really decent bloke, a good guy, who plays on his aura and uses siege mentality to win. Eddie is just an Asshole 🤣
As an Irish fan, wouldn't want it to happen, but (if they have the cash) Aus should do the double wammy - Andy Friend (yes) but also Nucifora..... both Aussies....
As a Wales fan its so weird hearing all the praise for their performance from all the pundits, usually when "we" win its in an arm wrestle that we nearly end up fucking up but this was as complete I've seen them play since VS England in '13
Andy Friend. He was a naturally gifted athlete as well as an outstanding Centre in his playing days. He has all the credentials there is no doubt. Can anyone trust Rugby Australia to make the right decision?
There are 17 NRL clubs (all with more money) recruiting all the junior talent in Oz. Union is played in a handful of the private schools in NSW & Qld. League recruit the best talent from those same private schools and all the public schools. I couldn't name you a single player in the Aus Union team!! They are the fish John West rejected. No one watches (it's not on free to air, its on Stan) no one plays the sport. It will not change, it will only get worst
the thing that surprises me is how long it`s taken for so many people to realise what a toxic little man Eddie is!........... team environments desperately need to be positive and honest . Eddie set back England a decade with his enormous ego and several brilliant players have looked bang average ever since (Itoji , Jamie George , Dailey , May ,Curry etc , and he gave out caps like confetti to players like Farrel and Youngs purely on historical performances and not on actual form , all the while leaving out players like Willis and Simmonds who were premiership and European players of the year at the time. He should`ve gone 2 years ago at least. And now it`s the poor poor Aussies that are having to suffer! the world needs to see them on form I`m not sure if Borthwick is the right man for the job but the scale of the mountain left behind by Eddie`s legacy at least deserves some time and patience oh! and this really hurts to say but.......... well done Wales (christ i might have to go and be a bit sick)
It feels like auz rugby is where SA rugby was in 2017. So focused on the top percent that could win the big games that they ignored the 80% that puts them there to contend. Australia has massive talent, and it makes me angry that the the world is being deprived of it. Maybe a reset is needed from the coaching and aus rugby in general? You can’t push a young team into a World Cup with no experience, they need leaders on the field who can help dictate the game. Cooper is one of the best and could carry a team past their mark for example. I also think this is not all Eddie, the team is not an island and I think his staff failed the team. If you can’t call out bad choices at ground level, why are you in you position? This is not a call out to anyone in particular, but if your job (for example) is to make sure your front pack is making ground and winning ball, you too have to fight for what you believe is correct, even if it’s against a big name like Eddie. Aussies know how to play rugby. The staff know how to coach, just do your job man.. The world deserves a strong wallaby team!!!
In fairness, hes told us why he was brought in and what he's doing. Explained what that involves, which we all know it does, but everyone's judging him as if that doesn't exist & isn't the reality of the situation. Its funny. Sorry lads, but this sounds biased from Mr. Goode who played for England, who were the last team Eddie coached. Hes been brought in to do a shitty job, that job wasnt to win a world cup, it was to redo the team from ground up, complete restart. We all know that doesn't win you world cups, so there's nothing to talk about really unless ya just want to pile on Eddie Jones. The notion that any country has an automatic right to a certain level in competitions is a bit arrogant for any country who thinks it anyway, Itill come good for them with or without Eddie in a bit of time.
Eddie takes the blame but the fact is that Australian rugby has gone backwards for more than a decade now. They simply don't have the channels coming through like they used to. It's the system, its not Eddie. The sooner you realize that the better your rugby will get back on track.
So Bill Sweeney knows what he's doing, does he? How long did it take him to actually sack Eddie Jones? And look who he replaced him with. Yeah, fantastic choice. England now playing the most boring rugby in the competition. And as for bigging Wales up after this win - they played perhaps the worst side in the tournament. The worst Oz team in living memory and for the bounce of a ball in the last minute would have lost to Fiji when they were well clear with fifteen minutes to go. Australia made Wales look half-decent in much the same way Argentina did for England.
I agree everything's you had just said. This is the first time the Wallabies team back home early under the coach name Eddie Jones. Australia makes big mistake about Rennie. Sack Jones and look for another good coach.
The sooner Rugby Australia can get Friend and Nucifora back running a centralised system the better. RA has stated it want to adopt a centralised system (like the one Nucifra took to and implemented in Ireland). There's no way a bloke like Eddie, who goes through assistant coaches like hot dinners, has the capacity to manage the collaborative effort to get Australian rugby on the same path. If it's too expensive to get rid of Eddie, change his role and put him in charge of an exhibition Aussie Baa Baas XV where he can test out his experimental game plans against teams up and down the country (like the Harlem Globetrotters) with Campo as co-coach.
I don't understand this "we need Australia to be good" line? Why? We don't need anyone to be good. Rugby wont die if Australia is poor. The game is evolving. Georgia, Portugal and Uruguay have improved in the past decade. They will get better. Powers will shift. If Australia, or anyone else, falls by the wayside, so be it.
100% on the money boys with your thoughts on eddie jones. POOR TACTICS, LACK OF EXECUTION, POOR DECISION MAKING ON THE FIELD, SELECTION OMISSIONS OF AMAZING PLAYERS.....LOTS OF RUBBISH FROM EDDIE. the EXECUTIVES in the australian rugby union who installed him as coach need to go as well and NOW. the australian rugby union chronically make poor decisions. this is australian rugbys problem the management board....! australia under dave rennie was on the rise and would have took australia at least to the semis in this world cup.
TBH they did not play that great in the first half , they were better in the second especially their scrum, it was more that Australia played so disturbingly poorly! But typical Welsh supporters think they will do great in the quarters and the semis lol
Really, might have expected that, the score board stated different, it wasn't that Australia were poor, it was that Wales so much better, established a lead 1st half and build on it the 2nd half, game plan that worked, forget not the Aussies had already lost to Fiji. And for your info as a Welsh man I did not expect Wales to get out of the group, so obviously I like many Welsh people are very pleased with the way things have gone, better than expected, if it ends in the quarters then so be it, but I'll take what the team has achieved now.
love or hate Eddie Jones he's doing what Australian rugby needs. A complete and utter overhaul. Bar not taking Michael Hooper taking a young team was exactly what Australia needed. The wallabies have been irrelevant for 2 decades and you're expecting a coach to come and do the same expecting different results? Steven Hoiles should be the next wallabies coach if anyone. Just took Randwick to their first Shute shield in two decades.
Gatland should use this as his swansong. Steadied the ship & having ok World Cup but the players haven’t changed too much from his last tenure or Pivac reign. He’s just simplified game plan, he’s not revolutionised Welsh rugby
What a shame! A rugby union power house reduced to this. They need to rebuild from grassroots level because most of the young talent in Oz head to League.
I personally think the Wallabies lost on purpose just to see Eddie kicked out - oh sorry "resigned" - his agenda was "I've been fired by England, I have a gap year, Japan is looking for a coach after the world cup - Dave Rennies been fired, let me take a $$$$ gig with Australia for a year, screw it up, get fired or resign and blame the ARU and get more $$ with Japan who only want to maybe make the 1/4 finals in the next world cup - such a loser
Who remembers the battle at the Little Bighorn? Known also as Custers last stand…Arrogance cost Custer and so to Eddy Jones. I feel for the players only.
I think Rugby Australia is all to blame for this! Dave rennie would've taken the wallabies to the knockout stages. Eddie made some bizarre choices with his player selections but the problem starts from grassroots. Not growing the game properly there so australia going to be in trouble for awhile
I heard Eddie Jones was successful in Japan and UK by setting the clear objective and establishing the order. In other word, his approach was authoritarian and it worked. I guess the way he organizes the team doesn’t fit current rugby🤔
EJ will probably do well if he goes to Japan, but with England and now Australia he seems to get giddy when he has a larger pool of potential players and ends up experimenting during the tournament when it should have been settled in the lead up. Fewer players in Japan so he has to concentrate on getting the best out of them.
Sweeney deserves zero credit he was bullied into not giving him garden leave and should have sacked him a long time before he did. Sweeney needs sacking
Yeah, Eddie destroyed Australian Rugby in one fell swoop! Hope he enjoyed the croissants on his journey, maaate. They never should've gotten rid of Rennie. One could actually see the development under his reign. Well done to Wales, though. They were ruthless!
The rot in Australian Rugby is at the top, with the likes of McLennan. Australian Rugby does have a hard road ahead, regardless. With a dwindling following after years of neglect of grassroots club football and mishandling of higher level competition, Rugby Australia has an enormous amount to answer for. It's a bloated organisation in which execs make disastrous decisions without consultation or consequence. Australian Rugby has a wealth of former world class players who could be contributing to organisational decision making surrounding coach appointments.
Yes it's sad that Australia have fallen at the first hurdle but these things happen and have happened to teams that have subsequently re-established themselves. Listening to the so-called experts is disheartening for all who love the game. Australia must learn to win with honour and lose with dignity, so, dry your eyes wet pants and get over it!
Stephen Larkham is currently the coach of the ACT Brumbies, the only team that holds its own against the New Zealand rugby teams within Super Rugby. He's a World Cup winner with over 100 caps. More than anything, he understands the history and culture of Australian rugby and played in an era when Australia was consistently the number one team in the world. If anything, this man deserves an opportunity.
shoulda kept Rennie to finish his cycle. Aussie rugby administration seems to be a bit of a clownshow at the moment.
Brother, I 100% agree. At the very end of last year, they secured victories over Scotland and Wales. They also had 2 close games that could've gone either way against France and Ireland. Yes, they had a very lackluster performance against Italy, and they had to deal with an insane amount of injuries. But again, I completely agree that Dave Rennie should be coaching the Wallabies. However, we can't live in the past, and hopefully, things will turn around soon.
I have just posted the same - Brumbies are the most consistent OZ team for several years. It was bizarre that Eddie Jones picked more Rebels players than Brumbies players in his squad. Bring in Larkham!!
I think the plan was for Rennie to see this cycle, then have Dan Mckellar take over. But he and anither coach left when EJ signed the 5 year deal. He'd basically been blocked off. Now he's at Leicester.
And that's because, my friend, World Rugby rankings have only been recognized since 2003. In 1991, Australia won the Rugby World Cup. From 1992 to 2002, they won seven Bledisloe Cups against New Zealand and lost only two or three games a year….. Most years, They also won in 1989 and 2001 Lions tour. They also won the 1999 World Cup and made it to the finals 2003 When it comes to the northern hemisphere, they would dominate. They have been ranked number one once again. My friend, the rankings have only been recognized up to 2003."
Cheers boys !! First rugby pod or reaction video that I've seen to actually give Wales some credit 👍👍
Not even the British (like not Welsh) are giving us the credit that we earned. Thanks Rugby Pod.
Andy Goode imitating Steve Borthwick cracks always cracks me up🤣🤣
Eddie has done more good for Welsh rugby in 80 minutes than he did for England in the last 3 years
Not picking Hooper and Cooper was wrong, and let’s be honest that’s without hindsight. We all said it. A team needs leaders, there weren’t any on that pitch for Auz. EJ seems to have declined massively since 2019, no idea what’s happened. Maybe there’s something going on behind the scenes we aren’t privy to? 🤷🏼♂️
I would say Foley was an important cog.
100% '' EJ seems to have declined massively since 2019''
Hooper and Cooper have been in 2 world cups. And in both WC won nothing. Last world cup win was 1999 with Tim Horan in squad. Had the opportunity to win Bledisloe since our last win was 2002, but then Quade got slammed for mishandling and dropping the ball but now we suddenly believe it was wrong to not include him in the squad for WC? Two people dont just make the whole team. We needed to rebuild our team from the ground up just that it's a bit late in realising it.
Foley and Pete Samu should have been in the squad and you are forgetting that Eddie brought ina new style of play and culture which would take longer than 8 months to implement
@@soniufiamorat1783Hooper and Cooper was in the last 2 world cups where they made the quarter finals did you say? Wallabies 2023 is without a doubt the WORST Wallabies team ever. Like Namibia, Georgia, Portugal etc - the Wallabies will not be going to the quarter finals
Here's some news for anyone who cares. Chairman McLennan and Eddie haven't spoken for weeks, despite Hamish chasing him and moving to stab Rennie in the back and firing him over zoom. These are two big personalities and what started as a rosie relationship has collided on numerous occasions. I know Eddie had an assistant call Hoops first and when they eventually did chat he just said to him 'fitness mate', despite Hoops saying he'd be good to go by the warm-up match against France. He then went and selected a bunch of injured players.
EJ has a get-out clause plus a performance clause in his contract and I'm told he's done. That said, McLennan, the architect of this chaos is standing firm and saying he will 'fix this mess'. The players are distraught and are not sure who is running what at the moment. Senior players who have been left out of the squad are saying Eddie has fed the inexperienced team to the wolves.
Sadly for our overseas mates, I'm not sure you ever appreciate Rugby is by far the fourth winter sport in Australia. AFL is an absolute behemoth across the country, incredibly well run and heaps of cash, rugby league is massive on the east coast and can cherry-pick the best junior rugby talent and every kid essentially starts playing soccer. The game simply cannot compete in the talent war, the marketing war of the financial war. Here is Aus we look at the footy talent in league and AFL and if we had 10% of that player group, we're another All Blacks without question, but we missed that opportunity to imbed the game at grassroots level over 20 years ago. The horse has bolted and is across the Nullabor now...
I've been in many meetings recently with RA and they are flat broke, have no vision, they don't even know what to do, we have a sinking ship, Eddie has looked inside the tent, which is why he's grabbed his parachute with the Japan chat. Sadly, there are not many lifeboats left. All our super rugby franchises are near broke, we're about to have a mass exodus of experienced players, private equity is a dead duck and the game is looking to borrow significant cash to try and arrest the ongoing decay and funnel into holding some talent.
Poor buggers in the marketing department at RA (2 people) have to try and sell Lions packages later this year. Can you believe it? Laugh at our demise if you want but there are damn good people here in Aus who make the game great, genuine characters and like every country salt of the earth folks who have devoted their life to the game. We've had unbelievable mismanagement for two decades and it's been more the aussie spirit and punching above our weight that has glossed over our failed structure.
The loss to Wales may possibly bring the aggressive change we need down here but don't hold your breath. Lots happening behind the scenes but we genuinely need other nations to support us because the national part of rugby is our key differential from the other footy codes.
Well you only have yourself to blame and you look silly, planet earth consists of football cricket and rugby, every continent, focus on union
People overseas just don’t realise how big the AFL and NRL are. The AFL competition ranks in the world top 5 and the NRL would easily be in the top 3 Rugby comps . All the good athletes go to these sports .
@@christianwithers7335 you have no idea mate. Australia is the most saturated sporting landscape in the world. Show me another country where there is a such a thick football divide such as ours. Half the country plays aussie rules, the other half plays rugby league, the leftovers play football, and the crumbs i.e. the private school RM Williams & North Face brigade play rugby union. That's just a fact. If all of our combined football code talent, or even just 10% of them as said above, focused on Union, we would blow all of you clowns to smithereens. Your average Australian bloke is twice as big and athletic as your average Pom, Leprechaun or Frenchie.
We don't focus on Union because from our perspective, the sport has gone to shit and we have better things to watch. It's boring, stuffy and over regulated. We like our sports to be fast and enterprising. We pioneered attacking rugby union. Look up that legendary Bledisloe game between Aus and NZ back in 00 or 01, when Lomu scored after the 80th min and an epic Aussie fightback. That's how it's meant to be played. But then you weirdos in the northern hemisphere decided the game should be decided by penalty kicks to give yourselves a chance. So then we tuned out, because unlike NZ and SA, we already had other options.
The Latham, Mortlock, Far Jones, Aussie rugby generation is to me still the best rugby team that existed. And I'm a South African. Poetry in motion.
Farr-Jones retired years before Mortlock and Latham started
Gregan was a better scrum half than Farr-Jones.
Was he? Really? Sorry but different eras mate with different players around them, you cannot compare the two @@shizzlemarizzle
As an Englishman I'd say it's a coin-toss between the Dan Carter/Richie McCaw ABs or the Bakkies Botha/Bryan Habana SA.
ben tune? Eels? Nathan Grey? Joe Roff? and even more legends back in the day.
Sad to see rugby union going south in so many countries.
I cannot describe how satisfying that win was knocking Australia out in the pools coached by Eddie Jones in that way. Not bad for a nation Eddie Jones described as " sh!t little country of three million people" eh.
Get your facts right.....its 30 million. Also, you dont seem to be a good sports fan.
Congrats to Wales! You guys were amazing. Best from South Africa 👌💚❤
a country that has won it 2 times, mate. Whilst some nations have never made even a final in the rwc? 😂😂
Shit little country? Get of the bottle and snot mate...😂😂
@patkumar he's talking about Wales simplton, get your facts right and pipe down you smug jumped up bellend
Hard to believe eddie was once a teacher the way he acts and treats people
Anscombe always had undoubtable quality just a shame how much he’s been hindered by injuries, priceless in this wales squad too with the lack of depth at outside half as no offence to Costello but the drop off between Biggar and him is huge
That's one reason why Fiji came back in the last 10 minutes against us: we were coasting at 32-14, and pretty much been solid. But then we got a stupid yellow card, and Biggar left the pitch. Costelow came on, but he's not experienced at this level. He didn't manage the game; no leadership and control from 10. He's talented, and will learn, but you're right: the gulf between him, Biggar and Anscombe is huge.
@@burntgod7165 completely agree, I love anscombe and would love to see him play more but biggar is just so smart from the way he plays to the way he speaks to officials he’s like a rugby encyclopaedia nothings gets passed him
Andy Friend is a hell of a human being and a great coach.
You chaps are unfortunately wide of the mark. how long has it taken Ireland to become a powerhouse of rugby. Australia used to be the easybeats till Dick Marks appeared on the scene. Then Ireland became the easybeats till Joe Schmidt appeared on the scene. Winning is easy till defeat is around the door. Eddie Jones is a good coach. Perhaps not a good selector.
@thingme9941 who are you replying too? 🤣 success came through the provinces mainly munster and leinster. Not one individual international coach.
@@oisinquinn9469 It's this revolving door policy of quick fixes with replacing coaches as implied here with Andy Friend. Farrell has been lucky to inherit a good team from Gentleman Joe. But as I should have said loss is around the corner any time soon and judging by Ireland's brave performance I don't think that is going to be enough. I personally for the sake of promoting a global game would dearly like to see a different side other than the All Blacks or Springboks win the RWC. Replacing Eddie is not the answer either. Other than his poor selections and his stultifying game plan.
What odds can I get on Australia still getting through and then winning the World Cup, mate?
300/1 GO FOR IT BRO.
@@davidpearn2484 Ah Jaysus I'll want a few zeros on that! 😂
And as an objective view, as a Welsh supporter. If we get Argentina, that game will be super super super tough. A positive for us, if we get Ireland: we know we can beat them (as in, we have in the 6N not a million years ago). That said, Ireland will want us out due to us kicking them out about 3 World cups ago. I can't believe I'd say this, because this is how good I think Ireland are, but I'd fancy Wales more against NZ.... how crazy is that. Also partly because we have a win 'coming' against them (we've come very close many times before). Wondering what Gats will do for Georgia. A tough tough game. Im personally hoping he rotates massively and we just get the win. That would give some players almost 3 weeks of rest until the quarter final! Let's see how the momentum swings!
I listened to Jone's audiobook recently. I suppose it was a pretty good reference manual for managers starting out in the real / corporate world, but I was left with the impression that he has sucked up a whole load of academic management courses and now tries to manage by numbers, which leads to no individuality/style/natural charisma, and therefore, players (and some staff members) will see through it, leaving him with the anger card to play.
I miss the Aussies. They need to get back to being what they were. SA Cape Town. We need the Southern competition in tact.
Andy Goode - spot on.
Us vs the world mentality doesn't work anymore.
Look at France - their unity in their squad is their strength
Great podcast and it it nice to hear you guys praising us Welsh too. First pod cast that has done it, that I have heard, was great to listen too.
Just how lucky were England to sack him. If he walks and takes on a coaching role in Japan 1. It doesn’t look good for Japanese future progress. 2. Extremely bad for EJ in his recent denial of contact with JRFU. He is totally toxic character. Cant see ANY players wanting to run through walls for him.
lucky?? England made the decision. He stunted the development of the team from 2021-2022, we should have fired him in 2021.
Australian Rugby is broken. Australia is now a Tier 2 Rugby nation. Why? 20 years of neglect by the ARU. NOT one current Wallaby would make world 15 or second or third World 15. Australia just does not have the quality of players to compete Internationally. Sacking Eddie is just a side issue and distraction.
Interesting point, add in the England team and you still wouldn't have anybody in a World 15.
Nawaqanitawase and Bell pretty good though
Nick Tompkins is one of the most underrated players in world rugby. His work rate is unreal
Wish we'd given him the opportunity to play for England.
His attacking play is class, I think his defensive play is quite lacking at times though.
@@carwyngriffithsI don't know about that his tackling has improved and he's put on quite a bit of size
@@richardarrowsmith9320wouldn't get in the side
Disagree...
Tompkins is a headless chicken, he regularly loses his composure, plays 9, bumps into 1st receiver, flies out of the line, vanishes in the line, poor George North v Fiji looked a mess because Tompkins kept finding himself all over the shop and North had to defend at 12 and 13 at the same time lol.
That said, against Aus, he was disciplined, solid in defence, structured, patient... he always had the attacking threat, but if he plays like he did v Aus, did his own specific job, allow North to do his job he will be top class!!!!
First time I've seen a bit of praise for Wales.Thanks guys they deserve it
Reminds me of those crazy Grand Slam runs where Wales start with no hope - let's just play the Newport team - and go from strength to strength.
@@jonnygeorge7325I hope England meet Fiji in the quarters and demolish them. Nothing has stuck in my throat more than EVERYONE jumping on the “fiji are my 2nd favourite team” bollox. Wales v England final 😉
Stupid bet, you should've thought that two months ago.
Great to see the Dragon breathing fire again! From an Irishman. 💪🏼☘️
Thank you so much ..Ireland are legendary at the moment ..All the noise is about how Ozz lost and not how Wales won .. @@MrIanito
Welsh supporter here. I think it is clear Goode has a personal, totally unobjective vendetta against Eddie Jones. To think he can call George Gregan bias 😂 This ENTIRE episode's purpose was to stroke Goode's ego.
My opinion: Yes, Eddie Jones has to go but there are so many more structural issues in the Australian Rugby Union that need fixing. Ultimately, I do think this was probably coming but please let's never hear Goode chunter on and on and on again.
Yes there was far too much “look how much I know about rugby” coming from Goode. It’s not like his view is nuanced anyway - most people have been saying the same thing for a long time!
But you know what - Goode was right. Eddie Jones has now presided over the worst Australian defeat in a world cup since its foundation. How can you defend Jones for that disaster?
@@celticlofts no need to defend Jones but to omit the glaring deficiencies and problems that Australian rugby is facing (and has faced for arguably a decade) is missing the big picture.
The pod has become more PC since the Spotify deal. Probably has to do with making it more "mainstream" to generate larger numbers. EJ was the best thing to happen to England since 2004. The decline after 2019 was to be expected as it was the end of the cycle and lack of player quality in the Prem. Yes, coaching also had to do with it but the structural problems are there.
@@celticlofts I didn't man, just gave the wider picture and commented on Goode :))
Thank you, Jim, for admitting that you were wrong in stating that Wales would finish 4th in their group.
You cut Rennies throat and let old mate come in,ARU just destroyed the Wallabies brand,which made AFL and Rugby League and Football even more stronger on the back of this Jones led dumpster fire
I would go even further. EJ started the Wallabies taking shortcuts, light props that couldn't scrum etc. Instead of doing the hard work, the Wallabies have taken the easy road ever since and paid dearly. Time to rebuild and do it tough.
they dont have the players....AU RFU is dying...none of the best athletes are playing union in Australia, they all go to NRL and AFL.
I find it interesting that these guys have a certain take on Eddie Jones. Right or wrong. But if you watch GBRA podcast with Giteau, Drew Mitchell and Adam Ashley Cooper. They'd run through walls for the fella. (Barring Drew's hungover outburst last week lol!!)
Your right Australia has bigger issues than just Eddie Jones, its the ARU chairmen Hamish McLennan who sacked Rennie and put him in place 8 months out of a world cup that idea is just stupidly insane! Eddie knows only one way to coach a team, start form scratch with a full rebuild and new style, sadly it just does not work in 8 months out of a world cup. The squad the Wallabies had last year under Rennie that toured Europe in Spring which was not even at full strength would have easily made the quarter finals under Rennie. Hamish McLennan needs to be held accountable!
I disagree with your comment Aussies did not take Rennie well, thats not true a lot of Aussie were impressed with last years results with a weak squad against France and Ireland and NZ.
The players loved Dave do you think the players even like Eddie no way because he's a bully and had a job interview 😮
You just had to see the post match interviews to see how much the Australian players respected Rennie.
Nice play from Wales. The Northern hemisphere is playing winning Rugby. It's efficient, ruthless, no bullshit. Down here, in Oz and NZ, we're still obsessed with running the ball from everywhere. It's nice to know we can create a bit of magic, but the reality is, the interchange rules nowadays have significantly decreased our ability to run our opponents forwards into the ground. Our lineouts, and set-phases are inconsistent. We can't kick for touch with accuracy to relieve pressure, or get better field position. Moreover, lo and behold, if we decide to play smart Rugby - aka using drop and penalty kicks to keep the scoreboard ticking over, it's a bit risky if we'll be accurate enough. The days of dazzling first five playmakers, with equal kicking ability/prowess running game, hasn't been seen since Carter down here. It's like we're trying to recreate lightening in a bottle. We need to revert back to the Grant Fox and Mike Lynagh, type First-fives, reliable, consistent, accurate.
Yeh but it’s boring
I'm glad to have had a beer with the great rugby coach Eddie Jones in Samoa. He is the 1st pair of lips that put the Bullying reporters in their place especially the annoying bloody poms! All reporters who tried to expose any untruth or stigma on the man gets rips to pieces right there & then live on the microphone ha ha ha. Eddie Jones knows all the ins &outs of rugby coaching on the top level. To prove that he helped improve heaps of Aussie ruggers, Japanese, Sth Africans, English, he's now re-starting rugby coaching rounds again with the same sharp tougue. He never apply for a coaching job but gets approached & picked by each nation he coaches. He makes more money than all the reporters who got the sharp end of his half Japanese and half Aussie piercing tongue! Just say Eddie Jones to any reporter & watch them scream!!!!!
Lions tour will be a walkover with this Aussie team. Gatland will get another crack I reckon.
I think this result has been overblown. They are a very young team and I do not think the true worth of this team of this team will be realized until the next World Cup.
Nope, Australian RFU is dying, all the young athletes 16-18 are picking NRL, AFL, soccer.
Are you Eddie's brother
The Australian public lost enthusiasm for rugby a long time ago and I don't believe that's necessarily an indictment of the ARU.
It all started slowly going downhill for Australia the minute rugby turned professional in the 90s. Before it was professional, our skinny and lean private school boys could cut it with the best. Most private school boys go on to be white collar workers, not athletes. A lot of your ex Wallabies from the 90s and early 2000s are banking and corporate executives. I've seen Phil Waugh on a few banking town hall zoom meetings.
As world rugby got more professional, everyone except us got bigger, stronger and more athletic. So we had to begin poaching NRL players like Sailor, Rogers and Tuqiri. Everyone at the time thought that this was a big statement from the ARU in Australia, but it was really just masking a very fundamental problem that would take 20 years to smack us in the face.
Our private school talent just can't compete with the world anymore. It also hasn't helped (us) that rugby has generally become a lot more boring to watch, so there won't be any interest to drive grassroots participation. That's all swallowed up by football, AFL and NRL. And if kids aren't playing union then they won't watch it on tv, and then when there's less union to watch because it's not rating well, then less kids are going to see it and want to play.
The ARU can only do so much, and with their backs so hopelessly against the wall, what chance do they have either? How are they going to sell this game to the Australian public? The current they are being expected to swim against is too strong.
Do you guys realise in the last 2weeks all 4 Rugby heavyweights of the South ( NZ, S.A., AUS, Argentina) was beaten by rivals from North at this world cup.France beat NZ, Eng beat Arg, Ireland beat S.A., And Wales beat AUS.
Good point, but the four north teams all went in as slight favourites, times have changed
Saying that as a Scotland fan
England, Ireland and Wales were slight underdogs lol
@@leeofdoom4452Ireland were underdogs?
Well done are you that desperate? Because if you are wait a few weeks
What about promoting Stephen Larkham from the Brumbies to the top job?
Maybe Eddie Jones was exactly what Australian Rugby Union needed to get their bell rung and start thinking about the future more seriously. On the other hand if Australia wants to be a league and Australian Rules footy country, so be it. Sadly the world of rugby will be poorer for it, but you can't force australians to like union and it seems they've made their choice.
Looking at how the NRL and AFL Grand Finals went down last weekend versus how the Wallabies have been going for the past few years provides a snapshot of why the country has by and large rejected rugby union for rugby league and Aussie Rules, and it’s not hard to see why
His World Cup record is a series of ‘Nearly there.’
His narcissistic character is fine to a point, but his character does not allow for personal expression.
I want to see personal expression of a player demonstrated on the pitch and turning a game.
Only so much of a match can be planned for and muscled out. That tends to be rather boring. South Africa for example.
I know it takes a special sort of manager to allow his team to express their individual talents. They are the men that need to be discovered. From there let it evolve.
George Best/ Barry John did not need plans and schemes. They had vision and talent which most of us cannot begin to imagine.
The system is crushing the potential of those guys of today and tomorrow.
Rugby needs to find them and let the breath.
Stirling Mortlock came out strongly in support of Jones.
Jim is absolutely spot on about Eddie. He's still a human being so let's not celebrate his demise too much. That said, Aus is hosting the next world cup so the HAVE to get their business in order before then otherwise no one in the country will care.
Didn’t have to be brilliant to know the whole Eddie thing was wrong.. and would end in tears. He tries to be a genius but he’s just an idiot. Got lucky a couple of times.
It's going to go 2 ways for EJ, either his time is up and he be long gone, or the redemption arch in 4 years time. I have a feeling if he's given the 4 years to the next world cup, I wouldn't doubt EJ contending and proving everyone wrong. It will be his last opportunity. It's either going to end in a fairy-tale or complete failure, being known as the head coach who can get to world cup finals but always falling on the last hurdle. Time will tell...
The game desperately needs Australia, I hope for the games sake they get back to contending with the big boys, same for England.
Not a prayer. He's tainted meat and a relic
If eddie goes and he should then Hamish McLennan needs to go as well.
I would hate a new coach to come in with McLennan still there
IMO its a shared blame between players and coach. And top brass.
Eddie Jones is the Jose Mourinho of rugby. His time is gone.
Agreed. However, mourinhos seems like a really decent bloke, a good guy, who plays on his aura and uses siege mentality to win. Eddie is just an
Asshole 🤣
Think moving from job to job in this instance was no help. No time to learn from mistakes (of which there were a fair few).
He's a bloody joke
Insult to Mourinho!!!
EJ is the Graeme Souness of rugby
Jose won stuff
He’s been on a down curve for 4 years with the exception of two wins in Australia. He’s been crap since last Rwc. Zero surprises same old Eddie jones.
As an Irish fan, wouldn't want it to happen, but (if they have the cash) Aus should do the double wammy - Andy Friend (yes) but also Nucifora..... both Aussies....
Cymro here - that was a team against individuals...Australia's leaders were left behind in Australia
As a Bermudan, I agree
Eddie is a narcissistic bully which eventually caught up with him......con-man
As a Wales fan its so weird hearing all the praise for their performance from all the pundits, usually when "we" win its in an arm wrestle that we nearly end up fucking up but this was as complete I've seen them play since VS England in '13
Andy Friend. He was a naturally gifted athlete as well as an outstanding Centre in his playing days. He has all the credentials there is no doubt.
Can anyone trust Rugby Australia to make the right decision?
I'd take Eddie here in the states!
Thank you for praising Wales :)
ARU needs an ENEMA!!
We have been nose diving for the last 20 years.
We need a board room clear out and a new home grown coach.
There are 17 NRL clubs (all with more money) recruiting all the junior talent in Oz. Union is played in a handful of the private schools in NSW & Qld. League recruit the best talent from those same private schools and all the public schools. I couldn't name you a single player in the Aus Union team!! They are the fish John West rejected.
No one watches (it's not on free to air, its on Stan) no one plays the sport. It will not change, it will only get worst
the thing that surprises me is how long it`s taken for so many people to realise what a toxic little man Eddie is!........... team environments desperately need to be positive and honest .
Eddie set back England a decade with his enormous ego and several brilliant players have looked bang average ever since (Itoji , Jamie George , Dailey , May ,Curry etc , and he gave out caps like confetti to players like Farrel and Youngs purely on historical performances and not on actual form , all the while leaving out players like Willis and Simmonds who were premiership and European players of the year at the time. He should`ve gone 2 years ago at least. And now it`s the poor poor Aussies that are having to suffer! the world needs to see them on form
I`m not sure if Borthwick is the right man for the job but the scale of the mountain left behind by Eddie`s legacy at least deserves some time and patience
oh! and this really hurts to say but.......... well done Wales (christ i might have to go and be a bit sick)
Before the first half ended the aussie players couldnt be assed to run back into their half to get the ball, thats not the coaches fault
Wales looks really bad in the 6 nations, Australia looked good around that time. How times change quick.
Its the World Cup that matters not the Six Nations.
Great show gents, thanks
It feels like auz rugby is where SA rugby was in 2017. So focused on the top percent that could win the big games that they ignored the 80% that puts them there to contend. Australia has massive talent, and it makes me angry that the the world is being deprived of it. Maybe a reset is needed from the coaching and aus rugby in general? You can’t push a young team into a World Cup with no experience, they need leaders on the field who can help dictate the game. Cooper is one of the best and could carry a team past their mark for example. I also think this is not all Eddie, the team is not an island and I think his staff failed the team. If you can’t call out bad choices at ground level, why are you in you position? This is not a call out to anyone in particular, but if your job (for example) is to make sure your front pack is making ground and winning ball, you too have to fight for what you believe is correct, even if it’s against a big name like Eddie. Aussies know how to play rugby. The staff know how to coach, just do your job man.. The world deserves a strong wallaby team!!!
In fairness, hes told us why he was brought in and what he's doing. Explained what that involves, which we all know it does, but everyone's judging him as if that doesn't exist & isn't the reality of the situation. Its funny. Sorry lads, but this sounds biased from Mr. Goode who played for England, who were the last team Eddie coached. Hes been brought in to do a shitty job, that job wasnt to win a world cup, it was to redo the team from ground up, complete restart. We all know that doesn't win you world cups, so there's nothing to talk about really unless ya just want to pile on Eddie Jones. The notion that any country has an automatic right to a certain level in competitions is a bit arrogant for any country who thinks it anyway, Itill come good for them with or without Eddie in a bit of time.
Andy friend.. his name is coming up a bit... i like it
Eddie takes the blame but the fact is that Australian rugby has gone backwards for more than a decade now. They simply don't have the channels coming through like they used to. It's the system, its not Eddie. The sooner you realize that the better your rugby will get back on track.
So Bill Sweeney knows what he's doing, does he? How long did it take him to actually sack Eddie Jones? And look who he replaced him with. Yeah, fantastic choice. England now playing the most boring rugby in the competition. And as for bigging Wales up after this win - they played perhaps the worst side in the tournament. The worst Oz team in living memory and for the bounce of a ball in the last minute would have lost to Fiji when they were well clear with fifteen minutes to go. Australia made Wales look half-decent in much the same way Argentina did for England.
Sad but true at least we can celebrate the fact the home nations are through well excepet scotland who had an unlucky draw.
I agree everything's you had just said. This is the first time the Wallabies team back home early under the coach name Eddie Jones. Australia makes big mistake about Rennie. Sack Jones and look for another good coach.
The sooner Rugby Australia can get Friend and Nucifora back running a centralised system the better. RA has stated it want to adopt a centralised system (like the one Nucifra took to and implemented in Ireland). There's no way a bloke like Eddie, who goes through assistant coaches like hot dinners, has the capacity to manage the collaborative effort to get Australian rugby on the same path. If it's too expensive to get rid of Eddie, change his role and put him in charge of an exhibition Aussie Baa Baas XV where he can test out his experimental game plans against teams up and down the country (like the Harlem Globetrotters) with Campo as co-coach.
I don't understand this "we need Australia to be good" line? Why? We don't need anyone to be good. Rugby wont die if Australia is poor. The game is evolving. Georgia, Portugal and Uruguay have improved in the past decade. They will get better. Powers will shift. If Australia, or anyone else, falls by the wayside, so be it.
Rugby Union is a minority sport in Australia. Rugby league and Australian no rules football take preference.
Totally agree. Andy Friend would be great choice.
100% on the money boys with your thoughts on eddie jones.
POOR TACTICS, LACK OF EXECUTION, POOR DECISION MAKING ON THE FIELD, SELECTION OMISSIONS OF AMAZING PLAYERS.....LOTS OF RUBBISH FROM EDDIE.
the EXECUTIVES in the australian rugby union who installed him as coach need to go as well and NOW. the australian rugby union chronically make poor decisions. this is australian rugbys problem the management board....!
australia under dave rennie was on the rise and would have took australia at least to the semis in this world cup.
So Australian media has had it with Eddie Jones, it wasn't that Wales were oh so much better. 😅
TBH they did not play that great in the first half , they were better in the second especially their scrum, it was more that Australia played so disturbingly poorly! But typical Welsh supporters think they will do great in the quarters and the semis lol
Really, might have expected that, the score board stated different, it wasn't that Australia were poor, it was that Wales so much better, established a lead 1st half and build on it the 2nd half, game plan that worked, forget not the Aussies had already lost to Fiji. And for your info as a Welsh man I did not expect Wales to get out of the group, so obviously I like many Welsh people are very pleased with the way things have gone, better than expected, if it ends in the quarters then so be it, but I'll take what the team has achieved now.
Of any team outside the top three I think Wales would
give Ireland the toughest game, they're playing great rugby. Oh and I'm Irish.
In Eddie’s defence (and I only have one comment in his defence): they didn’t sack the captain while the Titanic was sinking, did they?
Hopefully we’ve seen the last of EJ… I don’t think any team would hire him for the next World Cup, even a tier 2.
Rumour has it that he's on his way to Japan after this RWC😂
Someone will
love or hate Eddie Jones he's doing what Australian rugby needs. A complete and utter overhaul. Bar not taking Michael Hooper taking a young team was exactly what Australia needed. The wallabies have been irrelevant for 2 decades and you're expecting a coach to come and do the same expecting different results? Steven Hoiles should be the next wallabies coach if anyone. Just took Randwick to their first Shute shield in two decades.
Obviously the Australian players were unable to use a bottle too to condition’ the ball.
Gatland should use this as his swansong. Steadied the ship & having ok World Cup but the players haven’t changed too much from his last tenure or Pivac reign. He’s just simplified game plan, he’s not revolutionised Welsh rugby
You don't sound like a Cymru fan. Don't get to good. Get revolutionised and play like a Pivac side. NADDO!
10:30 - I completely agree with Ashy. The last team I'd want to face, as an Englishman, is Wales.
My nerves would be shattered!
Always a big game, special match
As a welshman I 100% agree...
we'll take Argentina thanks!!!
Ronan o gara for new Australia coach?
Unpopular opinion? And the last thing I want to happen. But Australia's best coach to get: Warren Gatland.
What a shame! A rugby union power house reduced to this. They need to rebuild from grassroots level because most of the young talent in Oz head to League.
I personally think the Wallabies lost on purpose just to see Eddie kicked out - oh sorry "resigned" - his agenda was "I've been fired by England, I have a gap year, Japan is looking for a coach after the world cup - Dave Rennies been fired, let me take a $$$$ gig with Australia for a year, screw it up, get fired or resign and blame the ARU and get more $$ with Japan who only want to maybe make the 1/4 finals in the next world cup - such a loser
Who remembers the battle at the Little Bighorn? Known also as Custers last stand…Arrogance cost Custer and so to Eddy Jones. I feel for the players only.
What if portogese great kicker kicking aussies out?
I think Rugby Australia is all to blame for this! Dave rennie would've taken the wallabies to the knockout stages. Eddie made some bizarre choices with his player selections but the problem starts from grassroots. Not growing the game properly there so australia going to be in trouble for awhile
Bottom line he's been out coached by how many coach's?
How can you blame Eddie Jones, he was brought into Australian rugby with 9 months before the world cup!! Think you are being unfair 😬🇿🇦🇿🇦
I heard Eddie Jones was successful in Japan and UK by setting the clear objective and establishing the order.
In other word, his approach was authoritarian and it worked. I guess the way he organizes the team doesn’t fit current rugby🤔
Quite a trick to make the RFU look smart, nice one Eddie....
EJ will probably do well if he goes to Japan, but with England and now Australia he seems to get giddy when he has a larger pool of potential players and ends up experimenting during the tournament when it should have been settled in the lead up. Fewer players in Japan so he has to concentrate on getting the best out of them.
Australia does not have a large pool of players. They are in a heap of trouble no matter this obsession with who is the coach
Stuart Lancastet?
Sweeney deserves zero credit he was bullied into not giving him garden leave and should have sacked him a long time before he did. Sweeney needs sacking
They are talking about this as if the draw isn't arseways.
I used to support Eddie (I'm an Aussie) - never again...he needs to go
Yeah, Eddie destroyed Australian Rugby in one fell swoop! Hope he enjoyed the croissants on his journey, maaate. They never should've gotten rid of Rennie. One could actually see the development under his reign. Well done to Wales, though. They were ruthless!
Love this podcast
The rot in Australian Rugby is at the top, with the likes of McLennan. Australian Rugby does have a hard road ahead, regardless. With a dwindling following after years of neglect of grassroots club football and mishandling of higher level competition, Rugby Australia has an enormous amount to answer for. It's a bloated organisation in which execs make disastrous decisions without consultation or consequence. Australian Rugby has a wealth of former world class players who could be contributing to organisational decision making surrounding coach appointments.
"I am committed to Australi".
Paraphrase: I will not resign, but keep on taking the money.
What an egotistical fraud.
Yes it's sad that Australia have fallen at the first hurdle but these things happen and have happened to teams that have subsequently re-established themselves. Listening to the so-called experts is disheartening for all who love the game. Australia must learn to win with honour and lose with dignity, so, dry your eyes wet pants and get over it!
Please leave in place, great for other international countries, mate.