I also missed the character customisation of ghost. Being able to make your own character and having headgear/uniform as unlockables through challenges was awesome.
It gave that big dick energy when you saw someone with that gear where you needed to grind like hell to get. Kinda similar to the dark sky skin for all the rigs in IW, since there was so much shit you needed to get that skin. And you know that player knows how to use each rig well.
Plus, it also had the benefit of keeping you in the setting because no matter how ridiculous it looked, you could still suspend your disbelief and that you're playing as an actual soldier.
I miss ghosts, Bo1 and 2, and mw2. I miss that era in general. Ghosts had good guns and the fast ttk, and the hit detection was at it's Peak. Yes, the maps were bad but not all of them were bad. They had good maps. The perk system was amazing and I miss it too
@@killerchristian567 on PC, even without mods. I've played both about half a year ago, and had ~5 minutes of searchtime for TDM in BO2 and some full servers in BO1.
It's literally the perks from MW3 but worse. Quickdraw and Strongarm makes Quickdraw Pro from MW3... Dexterity and smaller hipfire spread creates Steady Aim Pro from MW3.
I have always felt that Ghosts had the best Create a Class system we’ve ever seen in a CoD game. The evolution of Pick 10 to getting more perk points for dropping items was near perfection. As a side note, I also loved Extinction (the alien/cryptid mode) and I think it never got love because it wasn’t zombies. The team play mechanics, the rank progression system, and the mission structure all impacted future iterations of Treyarch zombies, but the fan base didn’t like Extinction as a mode, and I’ve never really understood why.
cant believe he has the "i have no idea what im doing" badge. pretty sure that took 500 kills with dual .44 mags with extra attachments. truly impressive
Another underrated part of Ghosts for me, was weapon variety having in-built attachments. Like the Honey Badger having an in built silencer, or something like the Chainsaw being the first under-arm LMG. That and the field orders giving you really cool easter egg killstreak rewards... man, Ghosts was great imo.
I generally love this cod multiplayer, just due to the feel of it to me. I just regret not playing it as much as I did in its hayday as I was on the grind for master prestige in bo2 (late joining the game due to not having a ps3 at the time) once I finished my goal in bo2 I fell fully in ghost multiplayer before I finally got a ps4 Edit: fixed my first sentence.
Cod ghost was my first cod game I ever played. I played it so much that I memorized where all the bots went depending on game mode and bot difficulty. I still remember where some of those guys go like 6 7 years later
Exactly! So many people bash WW2 but I think it's one of the most underrated games. I remember spending many hours playing the war mode in the multiplayer, I liked how it adapted the Operations mode well from Battlefield 1 yet made it unique from that mode with how the objectives changed with each sector. I also wished they brought something similar to the headquarters back. It was cool going to do 1v1's with other players in the pit area
@@OperatorMax1993 I think the problem is that when they innovate, they either implement it badly or it's done in a game where everything else is poorly received. So rather than try to figure out what people liked or how to implement it better they decide to just dump the idea completely.
@@nathanb7733 Not even understand it, they would outright reject them. People complaining that CoD is the same every year, are the same people that are asking activision to go back to modern warfare 1/2 roots lol
This video means the world to me. Meeting guys who share their cod preferences when they were kids is like a personality test. And when I would relish the perk system and clan wars of Ghosts, I would have to defend myself every time.
one thing I never see people talk about was the Bo1 contracts and gambling matches, they were some of the best times to be had in the game, being able to actually buy stuff like different items to make an emblem, attachments, guns, perks, etc. made it quite a bit of fun to try and balance out the money in the beginning. would love to see it make a come back.
I spent hours mixing perks together, I made several class combos with CoD Ghosts amazing perk system, most of which allowed me to move a lot faster with melee only like the maniac killstreak (one of my favourite killstreaks), taking less damage and run with riot shield and throwing knife and many more creative classes, I really like this perk system in ghosts the most and I can't believe some people call it bad
@@nathanbrown7906 I understand that it's objectively bad as a game, but seeing what we got from COD lately ? I'd be more than willing to give Ghost a chance lmao
@@nathanbrown7906 nigga EVERY COD is point and shoot. How was Ghosts bad? Does Snoop Dogg announce your kills in MW7 or whatever they're on? (They rerelease it more than Skyrim)
Ironic that what is likely the worst COD multiplayer actually had the best perk system. Would love to see something like this return in the future but I am very doubtful it will. Great video, dude!
Nice seeing you here! Thus far, Ghosts has been my only COD game I’ve played, and I loved the multiplayer (against bots) But the perks system was neat. Wish we could see it again.
Ghosts was probably my favourite cod but I still wish they had gone with the trailer/opening vibe. The story of the Ghosts defending a hospital even when they ran out of ammo is so much better than "Your dad is a vet oh also by the way, ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT COMING AT YOU"
They shouldve done it as a bedtime story where at the end of playing as the og ghosts, elias closes a blank book pretending hes read from it to kind of hint he was one of them and puts his kids to sleep as a younger 'just out of the military' elias and then a flashforward to current times where the brothers have enlisted as a volunteer battalion due to the inspiration they got from the ghosts. It shouldve been a ground up story stretched across two games, elias' reveal shouldve been the cliffhanger for the first.
Imo, ghost also had a unique setting for a cod game that i wish they capitalized on in the campaign and map design more, because having a essentially post apocalyptic setting in the middle of a new society resource war is actually pretty cool. Also its guns are still some of my favorite in the series looks wise, the Maverick and MTS will never not look cool.
Am I the only one who likes the Extinction mode ? I don't find anything fun in the zombie hellscapes of the other CoD I played, just spending my time running around in claustrophobic maps while zombies slowly become bulletproof, here there are cinematic stuff, you fight a big fucking aliens avoiding acid while an helicopter takes out a nest, then you start a nuke in the big nest before out and catching an helicopter while Rhinos charge at you. Or even the DLC maps... like the one where you fight a freaking queen alien ;-; it's so good but so sad to play alond
Do you remember how WaW increased melee speed when your mag was empty? I loved that so much because it gave you at least some wiggle room to defend yourself.
I actually like the idea of your character being lighter the less ammo you have overall, while you have less ammo for defense, your a lot faster which offers other advantages, a system like this could be awesome for a fps, where you can choose less ammo for speed, but you either have to mainly rely on melee or be a damn good shot, or you can be slower but with a metric shit ton of ammo
@@elderrusty541 if that was true then id pick the best lmg in the game (with the highest ROF bc brrrrrt) and just stack up on ammo shooting everything and everyone but moving like im made of tungsten
So I am a junior game developer. The reason that you don't see that awesome perk system. I also think it was really good. Is because it's hard to make at first. Lots of initial work to make the whole system. But also a lot of internal testing to try and balance it. Once it's built and tested internally it is awesome to go back and make changes when players test it even further. It's sad how game studios are more about less effort more rewards then making a fun game.
It is not that hard to do. You just give a budget to each loadout and make it so that items cannot cost more than that budget. Sure it is "harder" than basic 3 perk system but not by much. COD already supports N amount of perks (specialist for example). Hardest part is balancing and that's not really a development budget time, you can create basic balancing internally and then use the already announced beta phases to further balance it. You can still balance it as you go.
And in my opinion it is a fairer system, because the more beneficial the perk, the more expensive it will be (for me the problem with the cod ghosts version is that it provided a very high amount of points, which makes you spend on very good perks without limiting you too much), because I have a concept that the greater the variety, lower is the probability of a good balance (in this case, it may even seem that I contradicted myself, but as I said if the system provides few points, that way the player, despite the many options, will be able to choose only a few perks, which is the best way).
Don't they already have the blueprints from the literal decade long history in making games. They're a multi-billion dollar company I expect full effort
I miss Ghosts so much. Its campaign, multiplayer, and Extinction were all absolutely fantastic and the game deserves a sequel. Despite all the things people complained about the game being a lot of hte same stuff you can say for MW2019, people love that game but disliked Ghosts for some reason. At least Ghosts didn't need to rely on nostalgia unlike MW2019 and was actually something unique and good, also unlike MW2019
Too bad that's an extremely unpopular opinion since it was the least sold cod next to the original ww2 games Also extinction is really only good if you play with friends since it's just a extremely repetitive zombies ripoff
@@im_lost9355 What? Ghosts is definitely overhated, no doubt, and it's definitely an unpopular opinion that it's really good, but you know it sold really well, right? It's like in the top 5 best selling CoD games of all time, only behind BO1, MW3, BO2, and (I think) MW2019. It was the CoD after BO2, the peak of CoD, of course it sold well. Meanwhile, we have Vanguard now which is the worst selling CoD. As for Extinction, I disagree. It's repetitive, but in that same vein, so is the actual Zombies. And it's not a Zombies ripoff, it was the one time they tried making a mode that WASN'T just Zombies, but then afterwards, everyone just ripoff Zombies and just does the same thing.
@@im_lost9355 I have a 5 friends who play Ghosts and infinity often enough that if we decide to do extinction or any other zombie from any other cod game we can just play them but we enjoy the perk system of ghosts the most and bot killing when we get bored of MP I think every zombie mode is repetitive but i enjoyed having a clear objective and upgrades for extinction over a mindless horde killing mode without an end I think Blackops did it right with the Easter eggs and some kind of story if you can do them. I think Ghost's biggest failure was that MP was hot garbage and bug-riddled when it first came out.
@@Freelancer837 uhh fighting against thing from other dimension while fighting with guns bought off walls sounds like a zombies mode Also people keep saying extinction had an end goal,zombies did too in easter eggs witch at this point shouldn't even be called that
This system also makes post release adjustments easier. You don't have to rework the perk, just adjust its cost in points. Reworking or straight up removing a "controversial" perk is a tough decision. Same with just leaving it, so it becomes a must have, or an oddity that no one picks. Fine tuning the cost over a patch or two is much easier to pull off.
@@cybersilver5816 I don't think Bricky said anything about post release tweaks. Not that IW did this in the past. Stopping power didn't go away. Can't really talk about more recent CoD entries, didn't play them.
A feature I havent't seen anyone talk about was the environmental changes like how we could open new paths by blowing up a wall or blowing down a tree, there was so much stuff you could do to the maps or they just had things you would interact with. Don't forget whole maps changing after a nuke
1:32 This is soul crushingly accurate of every CoD fan (Myself included). We hate how much we love this franchise, we hate the company that runs this franchise, but there's just something about CoD that scratches that itch we have. Pretty much all CoD fans have a love-hate relationship with this series, as in we hate how much we love it.
It's why I only really get IW games from them anymore, they're pretty much the only studio trying to do anything different it feels. Treyarch spams the same 3-lane map design and zombies whilst barely tweaking its guns and though Sledgehammer started decently, they've been in a downward spiral since their inception.
From the first time I saw it, I've always been a supporter of the ghost perks system concept (despite some problems when it was applied in the game, such as: having many perks doing few things, it would be much better perks with more functions and consequently a smaller number of them; the variation of the cost of the perks, since they vary between 1 and 5 points, would be much better between 1 and 3 points; and finally and most importantly, the high number of points that is available for choosing the perks, because could spend on very good perks, however, without limiting you too much in choosing others, in my opinion, the ideal would be 6 points avaible, but of course, obviously the perks would do multiple functions for it to be balanced), too bad it's very difficult for it returns, because even if the concept is good, I believe that IW doesn't want to risk using a concept of a very controversial game.
No it wouldn't it was discussed in this video, doing multiple things led to it being over powered. Their combined effects still exist but are more balanced. Lets say a 3 points is basically a normal perk. This means those combined perks (Normally 1+2 points) would force you to get a side effect you don't want or something that can't be balanced. Meanwhile Ghost, Flak, or other main perks cost 3 points. The result is those bad perks go almost completely unused because you're lost 1-2 points. A big common issue was Loud Footstep Audio + Equipment Detection as a combined perk. Leading to one of the strongest perks in all of CoD.
These are great forgotten features, man a cod with Ghosts' perks and AW/IW's streaks would be so cool! If they make it to mwii I'm going to be overjoyed! It would be neat if cod aw's Parabolic Microphone returns too, I'd love to see that as it would fully help players build classes for anti camping
I enjoyed that the Jump Pack lights you up on the Map a bit too much...it ruined games, but it was hilariously fun baiting people around the Map through use of it.
I disagree a little bit with Stopping Power being the only option for your Perk 2 slow in MW2. You said Danger Close was the other option, but Lightweight was often selected for those who also had Marathon in their Perk 1 slot that wanted absolutely maximum mobility. Cold-Blooded was also a good pick over Stopping Power. Often UAV’s ran rampant in those days and people hated dying on a killstreak all because they called in a UAV to find exactly where you are. In other words, the choice was a lot more difficult than just either DC or SP…
i remember playing infection for the first time on this game, still for me ghosts has a whole different feel from any other shooter. dont know why everyone hated it so much
The CoD Ghosts system reminds me a lot of the aspect and fragment system in Destiny 2. Gaining sub slots based on the power of the few major perks you're allotted.
I loved how you could play against the bots made by other players, complete with said bots getting names! I remember playing on autopilot, getting a shotgun kill, and reacting with utter horror "I just shot Fluttershy in the face. I am sooooo going to hell."
Man. I have such fond memories of ghosts. I specifically remember trying to unlock a lot of the character customization items. Also it had infected. Countless hours of fun.
Another thing to add, Ghosts was the last good CoD for about 6 years. I did like Ghosts' create-a-class setup, you give yourself a grenade/secondary, well you lose a perk slot, having to make some sacrifices to optimize your loadout was a nice touch.
I’m right with you on IW always being fun, but one thing I don’t understand why they dropped was BO3’s co-op campaign was cool, I wanna be able to do the story with my buddies, but that was also a very niche thing so I guess if not that I want AW scorestreak upgrades come back too
Ghosts was too good for this world. If it came out at a different time, maybe things would’ve been different. But the world was not ready for ghosts when it dropped. A beautiful glimpse of a diamond in the rough, left forgotten in the mineshaft. Never to be unearthed.
It was also a product of the terrible annual game cycle, so it was always doomed to be cast aside and forgotten. Had it not been part of the CoD series, I think it would have done better.
I think the only thing that held down ghost MP is the god damn maps, some are too big for its gameplay, and on those big maps there are a shit load of campers But the rest of the MP? I really enjoy, interactive maps are great, the gun sounds great, map looks great, and like this video said, the customization is especially good
I think one underrated of ghosts was the kill streak and the “point streak system”. The kill streak system was your normal 1 kill = x amount of points towards your kill streak, how ever the “point streak system” worked off of how many kills you got in the game and didn’t restart after death, since it was super forgiving it would usually be supportive items like an ammo crate or ballistic vests, but my favorite one was where you called in a helicopter and you were a passenger on board with a sniper , it was super fun but was also just as hard since you would have to actually lineup shots and hit them. Still my favorite thing in ghosts and they haven’t added it since
I think the only other game I've ever seen that has something like this is "Mordhau" on Steam. Its really interesting to budget your class points around your armor, weapons, and perks and makes most players completely unique from one another. Would recommend checking it out if you're interested in a medieval combat-type game.
I really liked the customization this system gave you with Infection and other custom game modes. You could choose what load outs the survivors, initial infected, and normal infected had without any of the cost limits.
Honestly, this has been something i have said since the game has been out. By far one of the smartest and most game changing things that, while it still was saddled with previous ones metas and with the insanely overrated Blops2, is the thing most people remember positively about the game. Also one thing with the maps i found pretty quickly was they were made more with the off game modes, like the micheal myers and infected (which they *really* leaned into and got some really cool shit) and Ground war. In normal games youd waddle around for a while and rarely see anyone, but with just that team size increase for ground war, youd really not run into that as often. What i think happened is there was a big out cry/wish for more ground war designed maps from MW2 fans, as that was *the* mode for most people (next to S&D), so they made the maps bigger to compensate but then with the whole divorce issue, werent able to get the full go on just making all modes bigger as well, and just did the standard without changing the maps to fit the smaller size teams, hence the issues. Also the ttk is about normal for CoD games, its really Blops2 that massively increased ttk that made it feel too fast, and later games that kept the Blops2 ttk.
I have and *will* ALWAYS maintain that AW is stupidly fucking fun and it deserved better treatment other than starting COD's love affair with loot box bullshit.
@@IAmValefree It definitely has a lot to like about it, but I'd argue it's a diamond in the rough. With a bit of tweaking it could be a fantastic game, it just needs that extra kick to make it truly special.
I always liked Ghost's perk system. I would take all the perks that allowed me to sprint around the map, get ammo from dead enemies. The perks plus the K7 meant I couldn't be stopped.
As a game developer, who has worked on cod, I would love more videos of this nature where you pick out features that may have been left behind in this series and others
Believe it or not be Advanced Warfare is one of my favorite CoD games, some of my favorite memories in the series comes from the game, even if it was negatively received. AW may have started the horrid trends with the next few years, but at the time it was original, it looked great for its generation and I loved every moment of it
The perk system was hilarious. I still remember playing with a buddy who always made a straight up Ninja, and would kill people with them having no idea wtf was going on. He never topped charts, but always had a silly good KDA and was a menace in objective lobbies.
It's basically an evolution of BO2's system. Unfortunately, this all got thrown out when cod went to the stupid jetpack hero shooter style games. Now a days, they keep it simple because "IT'S JUST LIKE THE OLD CODS SEE." I wish we could just have BO2's pick 10 system or Ghost's version of that. That said, I will forever defend Vanguard's Multiplayer. JUST ITS MULTIPLAYER. The campaign/zombies/every thing else sucks. It's MP was just more MW19. It had more maps on launch more guns on launch like the game was literally what people wanted. Aaaand they hate it. Cod players don't know what they want.
Insurgency Sandstorm actually has a system similar to this. When you’re creating a class all the gear and weapons are unlocked from the start, but you have a limited amount of points and can spend those points to put stuff on your character. Because of the point cost, there’s a really engaging decision-making process of what you want to prioritize. Maybe you want to kit out your primary with tons of fancy attachments, but then you don’t have any points left for your sidearm. Or maybe you want to give yourself a ton of armor and become a walking tank, so you sacrifice some grenades and attachments to make that happen. It’s super cool and forces you to think a lot more when you’re creating a class
I have been replaying old underrated cods myself, and infinite warefare had a mechanic that was genuinely great. The dlc gun system in bo3 (previous game) was broken and drained you of money due to how rare the drops of guns. But with infinite they brought back the variant system from advanced warefare, so even if you got the lowest rarity of the dlc weapon you unlocked it. I was able to get every dlc gun in the game without paying any real world cash within like a week or two of playing the multiplayer. Compared to bo3 where that is either a lifetime task or a many hundreds of dollar investment.
I used to love changing up my skill streaks, modifying my sentry gun to be a handheld laser minigun was great and no one ever really remembered that you could do that
Might be apples to oranges right here but this reminds me of the subclass 3.0 system in Destiny 2. For those who don't play, you get 2 big perks called aspects that really affect the subclass, and then depending on how strong the aspects are they get 1-3 fragment slots each (stronger aspects have less slots) for you to insert fragments into (which are minor perks for the class). The system definitely needs work with the variety and balance but I found the "build a class" approach really interesting, and once you have a framework like that it's easy to expand upon it and make tweaks to the outliers.
Paydays upgrade system is incredibly similar. You have to make trade offs in order to find your ideal build and play style while also making it synergize with your perk deck.
Extra points for specialization perks is always awesome in any kind of game. So sick of cookie-cutter junk that gets rid of individual style (even if junk/not meta) or extra points = mere increased damage dealt.
One thing people don't talk enough about with ghosts is the map changes like the log trap or the tree you can turn into a bridge on prison break or some of the maps changing when you use the nuke stuff like that only appears in ghosts the closest the other games have is glass that you can break and that's it
I loved this perk system. I compltely agree; it's the best COD ever had. It was a huge relief to hear I was not the only person that thought so. I near hear anyone singing this system's praises!
More customisation is never a bad thing, so I absolutely agree. If we could implement something similar in future instalments, I’m all for it. Just have to pray that whatever instalment brings it back doesn’t suck taint so Activision can’t take it as an excuse to drop it again, like the ingrown toenail that company is.
Reminds me of the Regiment designer from the old Fantasy Flight Only War TTRPG. You had 12 points to buy a range of specializations for how your PC's Guard Regiment operated, including a variety of negative options that could provide you with extra points. It's a concept I really love in an RPG setting
Well you weren't really rewarded too heavily since the death streaks were pretty bad. It seemed like it was just something to help you get back in the fight & not ragequit if you're having a bad game.
Interestingly enough, death streaks conceptually have some merit balancing-wise - just... maybe less so in a twitchy shooter like CoD? As a catch-up mechanic, I mean. Skill and game knowledge takes you far in a twitchy shooter with low TtK - but when a team is running away with the lead and getting kill streaks to push their advantage, matches could be settled minutes in, barring a miracle. That being said, I've mostly conceptual knowledge of CoD as a game, so my observations don't hold much water.
THANK YOU for making this video! I personally loved ghosts and the perk system deserves to make a comeback, they could maybe even infuse the custom scorestreaks premise by making the perks cost more to equip in return for better benefits
Never played CoD Ghosts but I can definitely see why that perk system would work. It's rarely a bad thing for devs to have more nobs to work with for polishing their game.
This is my first video from you and I’m really impressed by your production value! But more relevant to the video, your explanation is what I loved about ghosts. It felt like a deck building game combined with an FPS.
Ghosts had some great things some of which they carried on to other titles but also some that got left behind but would fit perfectly into their more realism approach like the map altering by breaking structures or breaching doors.
Something that was stupid about Vanguard was the Dead Drop field upgrade, there was an exploit I would do with the dogs where you get two kills away from dogs, activate dead drop, get the last two kills and call in the attack dogs. When you died you would respawn again two kills away from having dogs again, so you could have a stream of dogs flowing into the map and your teammates could do this too. It was super scummy, but I couldn't stop laughing at the enemy's death chat hearing them yelling about the damn dogs, I was in tears half of the time.
I'm at 10:10 and here was one of my classes 2 shotguns Mts-255 & Bulldogs with those extra damage shells. Agility, Quickdraw Marathon just perks that made me fast overall. C4 I'd run in and start blasting
The perk feature was genuinely the saving grace of this game, that and infinity wards litany of genuinely fun party games, especially infection. Search and rescue was a pretty nice highlight as well that I appreciated and miss, although I haven’t bought a new cod game since bo3, and only picked up bo4 this year for zombies. If they had just tweaked some models for player characters so they stood out more (especially on 360, ps3 hardware), and upped the ttk time just a tad it would’ve made the game genuinely an okay one. There was still the issue of maps that were not well designed aside from a few, although iirc the dlcs fixed this (but I only bought the first one) with the added effect of splitting up the fanbase, which was the main issue with old cods dlc implementation TLDR; a solid 5.5-6 game, it wasn’t horrible, but it was a huge downward slide from bo2. It had some cool features and honestly with some really small tweaks that infinity ward refused to implement it could’ve been atleast a 6.5
this reminds me of perks in Deep Rock Galactic. It's a co-op PvE shooter that i absolutely love, and they overhauled the perk system a while ago to be a bit similar to this one imo. there's a ton to choose from (25 - 30 iirc), and all of them have multiple levels. At first, you had 5 slots and each one could hold 1 perk - but some were objectively better than others - like Iron Will, which let you bring yourself back to life for 12 seconds after dying. Perk points are really easy to get too, so you'd be able to unlock and fully level everything within a reasonable amount of time. I've clutched so many missions with it, it's insane. Gave you just enough time to revive 1 or 2 people and possible heal. After the timer ran out, you'd go back to being downed (and said timer was never on-screen, which makes it even more urgent). If you managed to heal yourself, you'd fully come back to life as if you'd be revived. The important thing though is that it had a 5 minute cooldown, so you could use it multiple times per mission and clutch even more. It was pretty unbalanced though, so it got nerfed when they overhauled perks to the current perks 2.0 system. There was no distinction between perks either (no active vs. passive or anything), other than only being able to equip 1 of each (e.g. can't stack Iron Will 5 times to make it last for a minute or more) (equipped perks were also always at max level since lower levels are just objectively worse). However, they overhauled the entire system a while ago, splitting perks into passive and active. You can have 3 passive perks and 2 active ones, but just like the old system you've got to unlock all the slots after the first one. Makes you more selective at the start, and allows you to learn what each perk does a bit easier. iron Will was heavily nerfed alongside this update, making it kinda meh (at max level it would just bring you back to life for 12 seconds) and restricting it to only once per mission. Took an update or two, but it finally got to where it is now: At max level, you stay alive for 12 seconds, increasing your damage, giving you slowdown resist, and reloading all your weapons when you activate it. although i miss the old cooldown-based one, it's still really damn good - but it's better balanced now, to the point where a lot of players don't use it (whereas before you'd be questioned if you didn't use it). i suppose it's not quite the same as this after all lol, but this video still reminded me of it so i figured i'd write a comment discussing an old overhaul to one of my favourite games.
Another benefit of this system is the additional killstreak category that trades the big bombastic weapons for more perks, and you can balance your killstreak and the "maxed out" bonus around those perks. Wanna get maxed out really fast: put in a bunch of low-cost perks, the bonus's kill cost is lowered the same. Wanna get better perks quicker: put those in earlier on your streak, making your maxed out bonus harder to reach.
This. Absolutely this. I LOVED the CoD Ghosts perk implementation. It was so freeing and varying. Yes you'll always get the tryhards doing that one exact build every time but dammit there were other viable customization options! And I will stand by my idea that Extinction wasn't that bad. It was a good mode, the first map was a bit boring but definitely was more a test to see if the mode was viable, and the next two maps were basically just fantastic additions.
I think a big reason why we won’t see a system like this anymore, is due to the increase of allowed weapon attachments, and increase in number of attachments in each category. Many of these perks can be added in some way to your gun, and when we can have like 9 or however many attachments it’s up to per gun. I think you can only have one or the other (massive gunsmith or massive perk system)
I think Extinction was a blast. Sure it wasn't Zombies, but it was new, different, challenging, with some fun replayability, and a halfway decent story. The Perk system was huge, and honestly, should be the only way perks are handled moving forward.
I absolutely loved ghosts and so did my little brother. I joined it reaaaaallly late as I joined on ps3 and bought it preowned at gamestop with my own money. I thoroughly enjoyed the game and me and my brother would do splitscreen hide and seek with the ghillie suits on that jungle map with knives. The campaign was okay, extinction wasnt all that for me, but the multiplayer was amazing as someone who loves quick ttk's. Thankfully we can all relive our old cod experiences with either original hardware, xbox one/series backwards compatibility (god bless), or plutonium and iwx as they provide a way to play custom servers with people and they are all playing! from mw 2 and ghosts, to black ops 1-2, world at war, and mw3. A lot of these games are populated on steam as is though but some are not and it is a godsend to be able to replay these games again with *less* cheaters. I hope this comment reaches the audience who cares and enjoy!
What I picked up was that the more customization CoD has, the better the game could be. Obviously good maps, skins, and kill time are important, but customization of actual tools for the player will make the game all the much better.
I liked the character customization. Like giving you customization of different body parts. I think it should come back ad it allows you to make more interesting characters. It also gives you the ability to make yourself stand out. If they add a camo system to make everything match up.
The first time I ever saw this system was with the original Homefront game. I found it super fun and intuitive and was pleasantly surprised to see it when I first got Ghosts.
I might be part of the problem but this Scar-H isn't getting fall camo on it's own
You forgot about 3rd person mode in mw2 that shit was cool as fuck but was a very dead Playlist
Im so grateful you liked infinite warfare also bricky!
@@seacarter7448 My friend dropped us in 3rd person team tactical back in 2018-19 and as I was telling him there was no way... we got a full lobby.
If I could I would make a game with these in depth perk systems that isn't based on these crappy new walk around, shoot enemies and pick up gems
WHEN DEEP ROCK
I also missed the character customisation of ghost. Being able to make your own character and having headgear/uniform as unlockables through challenges was awesome.
It gave that big dick energy when you saw someone with that gear where you needed to grind like hell to get. Kinda similar to the dark sky skin for all the rigs in IW, since there was so much shit you needed to get that skin. And you know that player knows how to use each rig well.
My favorite patch in Ghost was the German Shepard with 3D glasses. Took me forever to get it but it was worth it.
Or the customization in Advanced Warfare, wish it was more indepth than barely noticable color changes or an 80s icon.
Plus, it also had the benefit of keeping you in the setting because no matter how ridiculous it looked, you could still suspend your disbelief and that you're playing as an actual soldier.
Hell yea I had that special dlc full gold or red uniform
i really enjoyed the "field orders" too, it made the game feel a little more rewarding for trying something different from maybe your usual playstyle
The Michael Myers and predator field orders for their respective maps
Also respect to cod for having a field order to t-bag a kill. Loved it
Right tbag someone potentially get a kemstrike 😂 slightly unbalanced but fun so who cares
@@MRKan3 I thought that was a guaranteed Kem strike lol every time I got that one I swear it would give me one
@@david-468 nah definitely not guaranteed kem strike, I remember a good bit of sat-navs for t-bagging lol
I mean we can all agree that the best feature from COD Ghosts was the Fish AI
And dog
OUR NEW DOG MODEL
No. The Dog.
No the dog was the best feature from
COD Ghosts
Do not disrespect Riley like that
I miss ghosts, Bo1 and 2, and mw2. I miss that era in general. Ghosts had good guns and the fast ttk, and the hit detection was at it's Peak. Yes, the maps were bad but not all of them were bad. They had good maps. The perk system was amazing and I miss it too
BO1 and 2 are alive to this day, just sayin. Not as alive as COD4, but still.
@@AliceLoverdrive On like PS3 or xbox360? Or just on PC as the modded communities?
@@killerchristian567 on PC, even without mods. I've played both about half a year ago, and had ~5 minutes of searchtime for TDM in BO2 and some full servers in BO1.
@@AliceLoverdrive Dang, That seems kinda dead if it's only TDM finding consistent matches
@@killerchristian567 on pc there plutonium with servers on bo2 bo1 and xlabs for mw2 multiplayer
The large number of small perks was so cool because it allows for so many different classes but then they just said nah and ditched it forever
because it was probably the worst ever.
@@kingcain6472 nah it was the best, but keep being that Neanderthal that needs a pick 10 system to function
It's literally the perks from MW3 but worse. Quickdraw and Strongarm makes Quickdraw Pro from MW3... Dexterity and smaller hipfire spread creates Steady Aim Pro from MW3.
@@kingcain6472 your opinion is wrong
@@jebalitabb8228 no it‘s correct
I have always felt that Ghosts had the best Create a Class system we’ve ever seen in a CoD game. The evolution of Pick 10 to getting more perk points for dropping items was near perfection.
As a side note, I also loved Extinction (the alien/cryptid mode) and I think it never got love because it wasn’t zombies. The team play mechanics, the rank progression system, and the mission structure all impacted future iterations of Treyarch zombies, but the fan base didn’t like Extinction as a mode, and I’ve never really understood why.
Extinction is just kind of… repetitive imo. And I’ve seen a lot of people echo that sentiment
@@maybeiamepic2263 Zombies is s repetitive game mode by design.
@@belgarath6508 yeah, but guns aren’t always in the same spot, there’s the mystery box, and Easter eggs, and getting set up can take a while.
@@maybeiamepic2263 extinction has an actual end goal with map progression that doesnt require a guide to figure out...
@@schmittyvonbaun8418 the end goal in zombies is also a massive achievement to many. And there’s getting set up.
cant believe he has the "i have no idea what im doing" badge. pretty sure that took 500 kills with dual .44 mags with extra attachments. truly impressive
Duel 44 with Acogs.
Yep I got it too lol. I kinda loved cod ghost if I'm being honest. I haven't really loved a game since bo2 but bo3 was okay.
It’s the best badge
I remember getting that. It was so much fun, did it with friends.
It took 200 kills to get, the grind for me destroyed my K/D.
But it was worth it.
Another underrated part of Ghosts for me, was weapon variety having in-built attachments. Like the Honey Badger having an in built silencer, or something like the Chainsaw being the first under-arm LMG. That and the field orders giving you really cool easter egg killstreak rewards... man, Ghosts was great imo.
Ghosts multi-player is definitely top 3 favorite cod mps for me
granted I only ever played against bots so that may have something to do with it
I generally love this cod multiplayer, just due to the feel of it to me. I just regret not playing it as much as I did in its hayday as I was on the grind for master prestige in bo2 (late joining the game due to not having a ps3 at the time) once I finished my goal in bo2 I fell fully in ghost multiplayer before I finally got a ps4
Edit: fixed my first sentence.
I thought I was the only one who did that
@@usxldcom7543 doing the grind for master prestige?
Didn't expect to see you here JoCat
me too tbh only against bots n friends but still fun
Cod ghost was my first cod game I ever played. I played it so much that I memorized where all the bots went depending on game mode and bot difficulty. I still remember where some of those guys go like 6 7 years later
Sadly there are more and more interesting mechanics and modes that get left behind each year. Really sad for the potential of the series
Exactly! So many people bash WW2 but I think it's one of the most underrated games. I remember spending many hours playing the war mode in the multiplayer, I liked how it adapted the Operations mode well from Battlefield 1 yet made it unique from that mode with how the objectives changed with each sector. I also wished they brought something similar to the headquarters back. It was cool going to do 1v1's with other players in the pit area
@@AC03115 yeah, like the moment they try innovating, they get bashed, and yeah it is sad
@@OperatorMax1993 I think the problem is that when they innovate, they either implement it badly or it's done in a game where everything else is poorly received. So rather than try to figure out what people liked or how to implement it better they decide to just dump the idea completely.
@@crr4482 yeah
I think technically there's nothing wrong with CoD using disposable idea like this.
What's bad is other games doesn't pick up the slack
I absolutely loved Ghosts, it makes me sad that there was a lot of people that hated it
Another example of devs (especially for CoD) adding depth to a game that needed it and it was rejected by the playerbase for being "too confusing"
So much this. A big reason players don't get really interesting concepts is cause alot of players wouldn't understand it. It's a shame
@@nathanb7733 Not even understand it, they would outright reject them. People complaining that CoD is the same every year, are the same people that are asking activision to go back to modern warfare 1/2 roots lol
God I love this comment
It's already happening with MW2
@@colbyboucher6391 Depends on what you're talking about with MW2. Elaborate please
This video means the world to me. Meeting guys who share their cod preferences when they were kids is like a personality test. And when I would relish the perk system and clan wars of Ghosts, I would have to defend myself every time.
one thing I never see people talk about was the Bo1 contracts and gambling matches, they were some of the best times to be had in the game, being able to actually buy stuff like different items to make an emblem, attachments, guns, perks, etc. made it quite a bit of fun to try and balance out the money in the beginning. would love to see it make a come back.
Oh yeah the cash system was fun and unique. Definitely a memorable part of bo1
Microtransactions
@@ididntaskverified3663 no
I spent hours mixing perks together, I made several class combos with CoD Ghosts amazing perk system, most of which allowed me to move a lot faster with melee only like the maniac killstreak (one of my favourite killstreaks), taking less damage and run with riot shield and throwing knife and many more creative classes, I really like this perk system in ghosts the most and I can't believe some people call it bad
The game is bad but the perks are the best in the series
@@nathanbrown7906 I understand that it's objectively bad as a game, but seeing what we got from COD lately ? I'd be more than willing to give Ghost a chance lmao
@@ElPolloLoco7689 far better than vanguard
It required call of duty players to put actual thought into the game and not unga bunga rush everything that moves so ofc they thought it was bad
@@nathanbrown7906 nigga EVERY COD is point and shoot. How was Ghosts bad? Does Snoop Dogg announce your kills in MW7 or whatever they're on? (They rerelease it more than Skyrim)
Ironic that what is likely the worst COD multiplayer actually had the best perk system. Would love to see something like this return in the future but I am very doubtful it will. Great video, dude!
Nice seeing you here! Thus far, Ghosts has been my only COD game I’ve played, and I loved the multiplayer (against bots)
But the perks system was neat. Wish we could see it again.
Ghosts was probably my favourite cod but I still wish they had gone with the trailer/opening vibe.
The story of the Ghosts defending a hospital even when they ran out of ammo is so much better than "Your dad is a vet oh also by the way, ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT COMING AT YOU"
"And when they ran out of ammunition. They used their blades. and when their blades dulled. they used their hands."
They shouldve done it as a bedtime story where at the end of playing as the og ghosts, elias closes a blank book pretending hes read from it to kind of hint he was one of them and puts his kids to sleep as a younger 'just out of the military' elias and then a flashforward to current times where the brothers have enlisted as a volunteer battalion due to the inspiration they got from the ghosts.
It shouldve been a ground up story stretched across two games, elias' reveal shouldve been the cliffhanger for the first.
I really do miss the perk system from Ghost. Being able to really customise your soldier to such a degree. It really felt like my character.
The the load out customization was really nice. Had a lot of variation, while being limited.
Imo, ghost also had a unique setting for a cod game that i wish they capitalized on in the campaign and map design more, because having a essentially post apocalyptic setting in the middle of a new society resource war is actually pretty cool.
Also its guns are still some of my favorite in the series looks wise, the Maverick and MTS will never not look cool.
Yea i was excited when they teased to do the same thing ith bf2042 but we all know wtf happened to that
Am I the only one who likes the Extinction mode ? I don't find anything fun in the zombie hellscapes of the other CoD I played, just spending my time running around in claustrophobic maps while zombies slowly become bulletproof, here there are cinematic stuff, you fight a big fucking aliens avoiding acid while an helicopter takes out a nest, then you start a nuke in the big nest before out and catching an helicopter while Rhinos charge at you. Or even the DLC maps... like the one where you fight a freaking queen alien ;-; it's so good but so sad to play alond
@@flarys6732 i was too little to understand extinction but i enjoy both zombies and extinction.
@Maple Belgian Waffles no. Theirs barely an established society in ghost.
@Maple Belgian Waffles BO2 in the future BO3 in the future and BO4 didnt have a campaign
the customization, perk system, dlc announcers, and the interact able maps is why i loved cod ghosts
Do you remember how WaW increased melee speed when your mag was empty? I loved that so much because it gave you at least some wiggle room to defend yourself.
I actually like the idea of your character being lighter the less ammo you have overall, while you have less ammo for defense, your a lot faster which offers other advantages, a system like this could be awesome for a fps, where you can choose less ammo for speed, but you either have to mainly rely on melee or be a damn good shot, or you can be slower but with a metric shit ton of ammo
I played so much of waw and didn't even know that about melee system in it. Just goes to show decade later still learning new lil details
@@elderrusty541 if that was true then id pick the best lmg in the game (with the highest ROF bc brrrrrt) and just stack up on ammo shooting everything and everyone but moving like im made of tungsten
@@soup7694 I guess that would make you a Juggernaut without the extra health. lol
@@scottjs5207 well we can't have that since we know how people reacted when juggernaut first was released :]
I'm so happy this is being talked about, still to date. My absolute favorite perk system in COD
So I am a junior game developer. The reason that you don't see that awesome perk system. I also think it was really good. Is because it's hard to make at first. Lots of initial work to make the whole system. But also a lot of internal testing to try and balance it. Once it's built and tested internally it is awesome to go back and make changes when players test it even further. It's sad how game studios are more about less effort more rewards then making a fun game.
It is not that hard to do. You just give a budget to each loadout and make it so that items cannot cost more than that budget. Sure it is "harder" than basic 3 perk system but not by much. COD already supports N amount of perks (specialist for example). Hardest part is balancing and that's not really a development budget time, you can create basic balancing internally and then use the already announced beta phases to further balance it. You can still balance it as you go.
And in my opinion it is a fairer system, because the more beneficial the perk, the more expensive it will be (for me the problem with the cod ghosts version is that it provided a very high amount of points, which makes you spend on very good perks without limiting you too much), because I have a concept that the greater the variety, lower is the probability of a good balance (in this case, it may even seem that I contradicted myself, but as I said if the system provides few points, that way the player, despite the many options, will be able to choose only a few perks, which is the best way).
Don't they already have the blueprints from the literal decade long history in making games. They're a multi-billion dollar company I expect full effort
This is off topic but how did you get to the point to be a junior game developer?
@@caydenmareno The same as any other job: apply for it. Go to school before doing so if a diploma or degree is a necessary requirement.
I miss Ghosts so much. Its campaign, multiplayer, and Extinction were all absolutely fantastic and the game deserves a sequel. Despite all the things people complained about the game being a lot of hte same stuff you can say for MW2019, people love that game but disliked Ghosts for some reason. At least Ghosts didn't need to rely on nostalgia unlike MW2019 and was actually something unique and good, also unlike MW2019
i still play extinction with friends .
Too bad that's an extremely unpopular opinion since it was the least sold cod next to the original ww2 games
Also extinction is really only good if you play with friends since it's just a extremely repetitive zombies ripoff
@@im_lost9355 What? Ghosts is definitely overhated, no doubt, and it's definitely an unpopular opinion that it's really good, but you know it sold really well, right? It's like in the top 5 best selling CoD games of all time, only behind BO1, MW3, BO2, and (I think) MW2019. It was the CoD after BO2, the peak of CoD, of course it sold well. Meanwhile, we have Vanguard now which is the worst selling CoD.
As for Extinction, I disagree. It's repetitive, but in that same vein, so is the actual Zombies. And it's not a Zombies ripoff, it was the one time they tried making a mode that WASN'T just Zombies, but then afterwards, everyone just ripoff Zombies and just does the same thing.
@@im_lost9355 I have a 5 friends who play Ghosts and infinity often enough that if we decide to do extinction or any other zombie from any other cod game we can just play them but we enjoy the perk system of ghosts the most and bot killing when we get bored of MP I think every zombie mode is repetitive but i enjoyed having a clear objective and upgrades for extinction over a mindless horde killing mode without an end I think Blackops did it right with the Easter eggs and some kind of story if you can do them. I think Ghost's biggest failure was that MP was hot garbage and bug-riddled when it first came out.
@@Freelancer837 uhh fighting against thing from other dimension while fighting with guns bought off walls sounds like a zombies mode
Also people keep saying extinction had an end goal,zombies did too in easter eggs witch at this point shouldn't even be called that
This system also makes post release adjustments easier. You don't have to rework the perk, just adjust its cost in points. Reworking or straight up removing a "controversial" perk is a tough decision. Same with just leaving it, so it becomes a must have, or an oddity that no one picks. Fine tuning the cost over a patch or two is much easier to pull off.
That was a point he covered when discussing the balance.
@@cybersilver5816 I don't think Bricky said anything about post release tweaks. Not that IW did this in the past. Stopping power didn't go away. Can't really talk about more recent CoD entries, didn't play them.
@@Torque_Mk1 10:56
When people say exactly what the video says
@@Torque_Mk1 no he did say that
A feature I havent't seen anyone talk about was the environmental changes like how we could open new paths by blowing up a wall or blowing down a tree, there was so much stuff you could do to the maps or they just had things you would interact with. Don't forget whole maps changing after a nuke
1:32 This is soul crushingly accurate of every CoD fan (Myself included). We hate how much we love this franchise, we hate the company that runs this franchise, but there's just something about CoD that scratches that itch we have. Pretty much all CoD fans have a love-hate relationship with this series, as in we hate how much we love it.
Yeah
It's why I only really get IW games from them anymore, they're pretty much the only studio trying to do anything different it feels. Treyarch spams the same 3-lane map design and zombies whilst barely tweaking its guns and though Sledgehammer started decently, they've been in a downward spiral since their inception.
It do be like that.
Yes
@@alexscholz3438 looks like we share the same opinion
From the first time I saw it, I've always been a supporter of the ghost perks system concept (despite some problems when it was applied in the game, such as: having many perks doing few things, it would be much better perks with more functions and consequently a smaller number of them; the variation of the cost of the perks, since they vary between 1 and 5 points, would be much better between 1 and 3 points; and finally and most importantly, the high number of points that is available for choosing the perks, because could spend on very good perks, however, without limiting you too much in choosing others, in my opinion, the ideal would be 6 points avaible, but of course, obviously the perks would do multiple functions for it to be balanced), too bad it's very difficult for it returns, because even if the concept is good, I believe that IW doesn't want to risk using a concept of a very controversial game.
No it wouldn't it was discussed in this video, doing multiple things led to it being over powered. Their combined effects still exist but are more balanced. Lets say a 3 points is basically a normal perk.
This means those combined perks (Normally 1+2 points) would force you to get a side effect you don't want or something that can't be balanced. Meanwhile Ghost, Flak, or other main perks cost 3 points. The result is those bad perks go almost completely unused because you're lost 1-2 points.
A big common issue was Loud Footstep Audio + Equipment Detection as a combined perk. Leading to one of the strongest perks in all of CoD.
These are great forgotten features, man a cod with Ghosts' perks and AW/IW's streaks would be so cool! If they make it to mwii I'm going to be overjoyed! It would be neat if cod aw's Parabolic Microphone returns too, I'd love to see that as it would fully help players build classes for anti camping
I enjoyed that the Jump Pack lights you up on the Map a bit too much...it ruined games, but it was hilariously fun baiting people around the Map through use of it.
I disagree a little bit with Stopping Power being the only option for your Perk 2 slow in MW2. You said Danger Close was the other option, but Lightweight was often selected for those who also had Marathon in their Perk 1 slot that wanted absolutely maximum mobility. Cold-Blooded was also a good pick over Stopping Power. Often UAV’s ran rampant in those days and people hated dying on a killstreak all because they called in a UAV to find exactly where you are. In other words, the choice was a lot more difficult than just either DC or SP…
I hope I’m not the only one who wanted a ghost 2 due to the campaign
You're not, maybe one day ;-;
Still my favorite CoD campaign
i remember playing infection for the first time on this game, still for me ghosts has a whole different feel from any other shooter. dont know why everyone hated it so much
The CoD Ghosts system reminds me a lot of the aspect and fragment system in Destiny 2. Gaining sub slots based on the power of the few major perks you're allotted.
I loved how you could play against the bots made by other players, complete with said bots getting names!
I remember playing on autopilot, getting a shotgun kill, and reacting with utter horror "I just shot Fluttershy in the face. I am sooooo going to hell."
Man. I have such fond memories of ghosts. I specifically remember trying to unlock a lot of the character customization items. Also it had infected. Countless hours of fun.
Infection on ghost was a banger.
Extinction was a very underrated game mode as well. Yeah zombies is cool and shit but extinction? Damn that was one hell of a good mode
@@ottovonbasedmark I’ve been playing extinction again for the past month, farming for double class. can’t recommend it enough it’s been so much fun
@@ottovonbasedmark Played the shit out of it with friends. Reeeeaaaally fun. Actually felt like the guys at IW were allowed to be creative.
Another thing to add, Ghosts was the last good CoD for about 6 years. I did like Ghosts' create-a-class setup, you give yourself a grenade/secondary, well you lose a perk slot, having to make some sacrifices to optimize your loadout was a nice touch.
I’m right with you on IW always being fun, but one thing I don’t understand why they dropped was BO3’s co-op campaign was cool, I wanna be able to do the story with my buddies, but that was also a very niche thing so I guess if not that I want AW scorestreak upgrades come back too
Ghosts was too good for this world. If it came out at a different time, maybe things would’ve been different. But the world was not ready for ghosts when it dropped. A beautiful glimpse of a diamond in the rough, left forgotten in the mineshaft. Never to be unearthed.
It was also a product of the terrible annual game cycle, so it was always doomed to be cast aside and forgotten. Had it not been part of the CoD series, I think it would have done better.
If it came out today it would be loved
I think the only thing that held down ghost MP is the god damn maps, some are too big for its gameplay, and on those big maps there are a shit load of campers
But the rest of the MP? I really enjoy, interactive maps are great, the gun sounds great, map looks great, and like this video said, the customization is especially good
I think one underrated of ghosts was the kill streak and the “point streak system”. The kill streak system was your normal 1 kill = x amount of points towards your kill streak, how ever the “point streak system” worked off of how many kills you got in the game and didn’t restart after death, since it was super forgiving it would usually be supportive items like an ammo crate or ballistic vests, but my favorite one was where you called in a helicopter and you were a passenger on board with a sniper , it was super fun but was also just as hard since you would have to actually lineup shots and hit them. Still my favorite thing in ghosts and they haven’t added it since
I think the only other game I've ever seen that has something like this is "Mordhau" on Steam. Its really interesting to budget your class points around your armor, weapons, and perks and makes most players completely unique from one another. Would recommend checking it out if you're interested in a medieval combat-type game.
I really liked the customization this system gave you with Infection and other custom game modes. You could choose what load outs the survivors, initial infected, and normal infected had without any of the cost limits.
Honestly, this has been something i have said since the game has been out. By far one of the smartest and most game changing things that, while it still was saddled with previous ones metas and with the insanely overrated Blops2, is the thing most people remember positively about the game.
Also one thing with the maps i found pretty quickly was they were made more with the off game modes, like the micheal myers and infected (which they *really* leaned into and got some really cool shit) and Ground war. In normal games youd waddle around for a while and rarely see anyone, but with just that team size increase for ground war, youd really not run into that as often. What i think happened is there was a big out cry/wish for more ground war designed maps from MW2 fans, as that was *the* mode for most people (next to S&D), so they made the maps bigger to compensate but then with the whole divorce issue, werent able to get the full go on just making all modes bigger as well, and just did the standard without changing the maps to fit the smaller size teams, hence the issues. Also the ttk is about normal for CoD games, its really Blops2 that massively increased ttk that made it feel too fast, and later games that kept the Blops2 ttk.
Yeah I also liked how you had different characters that used different loadouts, all of these things combined would be neat to see, for sure.
3:31 yeah I love how aw and iw did their streaks. Added so much more replay ability 😍
I have and *will* ALWAYS maintain that AW is stupidly fucking fun and it deserved better treatment other than starting COD's love affair with loot box bullshit.
@@IAmValefree running around like an idiot with a Tac-16 in those private bot lobbies is way too fun
@@IAmValefree It definitely has a lot to like about it, but I'd argue it's a diamond in the rough. With a bit of tweaking it could be a fantastic game, it just needs that extra kick to make it truly special.
I always liked Ghost's perk system. I would take all the perks that allowed me to sprint around the map, get ammo from dead enemies. The perks plus the K7 meant I couldn't be stopped.
As a game developer, who has worked on cod, I would love more videos of this nature where you pick out features that may have been left behind in this series and others
You worked on COD? May I ask which games?
Believe it or not be Advanced Warfare is one of my favorite CoD games, some of my favorite memories in the series comes from the game, even if it was negatively received. AW may have started the horrid trends with the next few years, but at the time it was original, it looked great for its generation and I loved every moment of it
MW3’s custom class is super underrated
Different kill/support streaks on different classes plus unlocking weapon camos by just using the weapon
bricky likes bloons, cod zombies, uncharted and Stephen King. This man is amazing
Ah yes, a Bricky vid to watch over coffee, helping me prepare for my day
Brother it's 5 pm where I live
The perk system was hilarious. I still remember playing with a buddy who always made a straight up Ninja, and would kill people with them having no idea wtf was going on.
He never topped charts, but always had a silly good KDA and was a menace in objective lobbies.
It's basically an evolution of BO2's system. Unfortunately, this all got thrown out when cod went to the stupid jetpack hero shooter style games. Now a days, they keep it simple because "IT'S JUST LIKE THE OLD CODS SEE." I wish we could just have BO2's pick 10 system or Ghost's version of that.
That said, I will forever defend Vanguard's Multiplayer. JUST ITS MULTIPLAYER. The campaign/zombies/every thing else sucks. It's MP was just more MW19. It had more maps on launch more guns on launch like the game was literally what people wanted. Aaaand they hate it. Cod players don't know what they want.
It annoys me when cod players say "omg they should just listen to the fans" when like you said the fans have zero clue 😂
Pick 10 is worse than what MW2 and MW3 had...
@@svn5994 Now that's just a very bad take. It's just generally considered every one's favorite and gives you WAY more freedom.
Insurgency Sandstorm actually has a system similar to this. When you’re creating a class all the gear and weapons are unlocked from the start, but you have a limited amount of points and can spend those points to put stuff on your character. Because of the point cost, there’s a really engaging decision-making process of what you want to prioritize. Maybe you want to kit out your primary with tons of fancy attachments, but then you don’t have any points left for your sidearm. Or maybe you want to give yourself a ton of armor and become a walking tank, so you sacrifice some grenades and attachments to make that happen. It’s super cool and forces you to think a lot more when you’re creating a class
I have been replaying old underrated cods myself, and infinite warefare had a mechanic that was genuinely great. The dlc gun system in bo3 (previous game) was broken and drained you of money due to how rare the drops of guns. But with infinite they brought back the variant system from advanced warefare, so even if you got the lowest rarity of the dlc weapon you unlocked it. I was able to get every dlc gun in the game without paying any real world cash within like a week or two of playing the multiplayer. Compared to bo3 where that is either a lifetime task or a many hundreds of dollar investment.
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I used to love changing up my skill streaks, modifying my sentry gun to be a handheld laser minigun was great and no one ever really remembered that you could do that
Would be nice to see more fun streaks too. Juggernaut maniac was ridiculous but fun
I loved the themed killstreaks.
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Might be apples to oranges right here but this reminds me of the subclass 3.0 system in Destiny 2. For those who don't play, you get 2 big perks called aspects that really affect the subclass, and then depending on how strong the aspects are they get 1-3 fragment slots each (stronger aspects have less slots) for you to insert fragments into (which are minor perks for the class).
The system definitely needs work with the variety and balance but I found the "build a class" approach really interesting, and once you have a framework like that it's easy to expand upon it and make tweaks to the outliers.
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It reminded me of the NHL games on Xbox. 😂 Spending a point system to make your character better. I remember thinking that.
Paydays upgrade system is incredibly similar. You have to make trade offs in order to find your ideal build and play style while also making it synergize with your perk deck.
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Extinction was by far some of the most fun I've ever had in cod
Cod the fish is better than modern cod games
MW2 gunsmith + AW scorestreak system + Ghosts perk system = Dream COD game
Extra points for specialization perks is always awesome in any kind of game. So sick of cookie-cutter junk that gets rid of individual style (even if junk/not meta) or extra points = mere increased damage dealt.
One thing people don't talk enough about with ghosts is the map changes like the log trap or the tree you can turn into a bridge on prison break or some of the maps changing when you use the nuke stuff like that only appears in ghosts the closest the other games have is glass that you can break and that's it
Vanguard Players: "Whats ghosts?"
Ghost Players: "It was a different time a different enemy"
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I loved this perk system. I compltely agree; it's the best COD ever had. It was a huge relief to hear I was not the only person that thought so. I near hear anyone singing this system's praises!
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I agree with you on Advanced Warfare's scorestreak system, I wish it came back in the newer cods!
More customisation is never a bad thing, so I absolutely agree. If we could implement something similar in future instalments, I’m all for it. Just have to pray that whatever instalment brings it back doesn’t suck taint so Activision can’t take it as an excuse to drop it again, like the ingrown toenail that company is.
Absolutely agree these two things I would love to see return. The ping perk was my favorite
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Reminds me of the Regiment designer from the old Fantasy Flight Only War TTRPG. You had 12 points to buy a range of specializations for how your PC's Guard Regiment operated, including a variety of negative options that could provide you with extra points. It's a concept I really love in an RPG setting
One mechanic I definitely do not miss is death streaks. Like, why should you be rewarded for being dogshit.
Well you weren't really rewarded too heavily since the death streaks were pretty bad. It seemed like it was just something to help you get back in the fight & not ragequit if you're having a bad game.
Interestingly enough, death streaks conceptually have some merit balancing-wise - just... maybe less so in a twitchy shooter like CoD? As a catch-up mechanic, I mean. Skill and game knowledge takes you far in a twitchy shooter with low TtK - but when a team is running away with the lead and getting kill streaks to push their advantage, matches could be settled minutes in, barring a miracle. That being said, I've mostly conceptual knowledge of CoD as a game, so my observations don't hold much water.
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“Rewarded” 5-10 seconds of damage reduction or movement speed isn't exactly a reward.
THANK YOU for making this video! I personally loved ghosts and the perk system deserves to make a comeback, they could maybe even infuse the custom scorestreaks premise by making the perks cost more to equip in return for better benefits
Never played CoD Ghosts but I can definitely see why that perk system would work. It's rarely a bad thing for devs to have more nobs to work with for polishing their game.
I was just thinking about this the other day and how good it was for all the reasons you mentioned. Such a shame we never saw it again
This is my first video from you and I’m really impressed by your production value! But more relevant to the video, your explanation is what I loved about ghosts. It felt like a deck building game combined with an FPS.
Ghosts had some great things some of which they carried on to other titles but also some that got left behind but would fit perfectly into their more realism approach like the map altering by breaking structures or breaching doors.
Something that was stupid about Vanguard was the Dead Drop field upgrade, there was an exploit I would do with the dogs where you get two kills away from dogs, activate dead drop, get the last two kills and call in the attack dogs. When you died you would respawn again two kills away from having dogs again, so you could have a stream of dogs flowing into the map and your teammates could do this too. It was super scummy, but I couldn't stop laughing at the enemy's death chat hearing them yelling about the damn dogs, I was in tears half of the time.
I'm at 10:10 and here was one of my classes
2 shotguns
Mts-255 & Bulldogs with those extra damage shells.
Agility, Quickdraw Marathon just perks that made me fast overall.
C4
I'd run in and start blasting
dude I loved Ghost in general, definitely one of my favorites
The perk feature was genuinely the saving grace of this game, that and infinity wards litany of genuinely fun party games, especially infection. Search and rescue was a pretty nice highlight as well that I appreciated and miss, although I haven’t bought a new cod game since bo3, and only picked up bo4 this year for zombies.
If they had just tweaked some models for player characters so they stood out more (especially on 360, ps3 hardware), and upped the ttk time just a tad it would’ve made the game genuinely an okay one. There was still the issue of maps that were not well designed aside from a few, although iirc the dlcs fixed this (but I only bought the first one) with the added effect of splitting up the fanbase, which was the main issue with old cods dlc implementation
TLDR; a solid 5.5-6 game, it wasn’t horrible, but it was a huge downward slide from bo2. It had some cool features and honestly with some really small tweaks that infinity ward refused to implement it could’ve been atleast a 6.5
this reminds me of perks in Deep Rock Galactic. It's a co-op PvE shooter that i absolutely love, and they overhauled the perk system a while ago to be a bit similar to this one imo.
there's a ton to choose from (25 - 30 iirc), and all of them have multiple levels. At first, you had 5 slots and each one could hold 1 perk - but some were objectively better than others - like Iron Will, which let you bring yourself back to life for 12 seconds after dying. Perk points are really easy to get too, so you'd be able to unlock and fully level everything within a reasonable amount of time.
I've clutched so many missions with it, it's insane. Gave you just enough time to revive 1 or 2 people and possible heal. After the timer ran out, you'd go back to being downed (and said timer was never on-screen, which makes it even more urgent). If you managed to heal yourself, you'd fully come back to life as if you'd be revived. The important thing though is that it had a 5 minute cooldown, so you could use it multiple times per mission and clutch even more.
It was pretty unbalanced though, so it got nerfed when they overhauled perks to the current perks 2.0 system.
There was no distinction between perks either (no active vs. passive or anything), other than only being able to equip 1 of each (e.g. can't stack Iron Will 5 times to make it last for a minute or more) (equipped perks were also always at max level since lower levels are just objectively worse).
However, they overhauled the entire system a while ago, splitting perks into passive and active. You can have 3 passive perks and 2 active ones, but just like the old system you've got to unlock all the slots after the first one. Makes you more selective at the start, and allows you to learn what each perk does a bit easier.
iron Will was heavily nerfed alongside this update, making it kinda meh (at max level it would just bring you back to life for 12 seconds) and restricting it to only once per mission. Took an update or two, but it finally got to where it is now: At max level, you stay alive for 12 seconds, increasing your damage, giving you slowdown resist, and reloading all your weapons when you activate it.
although i miss the old cooldown-based one, it's still really damn good - but it's better balanced now, to the point where a lot of players don't use it (whereas before you'd be questioned if you didn't use it).
i suppose it's not quite the same as this after all lol, but this video still reminded me of it so i figured i'd write a comment discussing an old overhaul to one of my favourite games.
Another benefit of this system is the additional killstreak category that trades the big bombastic weapons for more perks, and you can balance your killstreak and the "maxed out" bonus around those perks. Wanna get maxed out really fast: put in a bunch of low-cost perks, the bonus's kill cost is lowered the same. Wanna get better perks quicker: put those in earlier on your streak, making your maxed out bonus harder to reach.
This. Absolutely this.
I LOVED the CoD Ghosts perk implementation. It was so freeing and varying. Yes you'll always get the tryhards doing that one exact build every time but dammit there were other viable customization options!
And I will stand by my idea that Extinction wasn't that bad. It was a good mode, the first map was a bit boring but definitely was more a test to see if the mode was viable, and the next two maps were basically just fantastic additions.
I loved every single bit of Ghosts multiplayer, including the perk and unlock system.
I think a big reason why we won’t see a system like this anymore, is due to the increase of allowed weapon attachments, and increase in number of attachments in each category. Many of these perks can be added in some way to your gun, and when we can have like 9 or however many attachments it’s up to per gun. I think you can only have one or the other (massive gunsmith or massive perk system)
I think Extinction was a blast. Sure it wasn't Zombies, but it was new, different, challenging, with some fun replayability, and a halfway decent story.
The Perk system was huge, and honestly, should be the only way perks are handled moving forward.
I was talking to a buddy about the perk system last week. So glad that I found this video.
ghosts always slapped, so much unique elements to it that I found very refreshing
even the "zombies mode" was a cool but ultimately forgotten addition
I only remember this due to recently playing AW but there is a speed reload where you lose any remaining ammo to reload faster than a regular reload
I absolutely loved ghosts and so did my little brother. I joined it reaaaaallly late as I joined on ps3 and bought it preowned at gamestop with my own money. I thoroughly enjoyed the game and me and my brother would do splitscreen hide and seek with the ghillie suits on that jungle map with knives. The campaign was okay, extinction wasnt all that for me, but the multiplayer was amazing as someone who loves quick ttk's.
Thankfully we can all relive our old cod experiences with either original hardware, xbox one/series backwards compatibility (god bless), or plutonium and iwx as they provide a way to play custom servers with people and they are all playing! from mw 2 and ghosts, to black ops 1-2, world at war, and mw3. A lot of these games are populated on steam as is though but some are not and it is a godsend to be able to replay these games again with *less* cheaters.
I hope this comment reaches the audience who cares and enjoy!
Field orders and the map destruction was also quite good from Ghosts
What I picked up was that the more customization CoD has, the better the game could be. Obviously good maps, skins, and kill time are important, but customization of actual tools for the player will make the game all the much better.
I liked the character customization. Like giving you customization of different body parts. I think it should come back ad it allows you to make more interesting characters. It also gives you the ability to make yourself stand out. If they add a camo system to make everything match up.
The first time I ever saw this system was with the original Homefront game. I found it super fun and intuitive and was pleasantly surprised to see it when I first got Ghosts.