It took me forever to build up the courage and get this done. I think this is a good idea and it should have been implemented by Leatherman from the start! What do you think?
I like that Leatherman is using better steel for the blades, but wow that is a huge price hike for a little piece of magnacut. They must be buddies with benchmade and adopted their pricing strategies. Great video as always
I was pretty sure you'll come to this ! GOAT tools has removable tools on its MT, seems common sense now they've done it! Can't wait for the next sharpening video ! I often use the awl and the can opener is the most used tool on my multitool : grab a pot out the fire, rip open stuff, uncooperative pistachio negociator...
This is a reason I love the surge so much because I can sharpen the blade with its own file. I am trying to muster the courage to do this on my arc, you did a fantastic job job, I will say that someone I know is working on a t handle insert for the arc to gain this function, it will go into the saw slot so then you can use a surge file or saw in the arc. I would like to make the insert the same thickness to replace the “awl” and add a sarretted blade where the original saw goes because I do miss that blade on my arc. The arc is very close to perfect for me. But what you have done is great idea and has my wheels spinning. New subscribers here. Great video
Everyone is complaining about the price but if you just go and take a look at folding knives with magna cut they are just as expensive as the arch. And the arch is American made also I don’t see the price to be that bad
There is no evidence supporting the point that MagnaCut blades command higher price. In fact, the first mass produced MagnaCut folder was Hogue Deka, which was priced $139 or $10 below the more premium steel versions. Most folks are confused by what MagnaCut is and isn’t. It is a great steel but it is not a PREMIUM steel. However! Due to its higher toughness and slightly better edge retention, it is appropriate for a multi tool use, more so than the 420 used on older Leatherman models. Also, I have like 16 MagnaCut blades now because some companies stopped making my favorite models in any other steel. This is annoying because I prefer S45VN, M4 and 3V in most applications! Sorry about the rant, but…
@@CuttingBoardRx but you must also comment on other knife companies pricing of magnacut knives if you are going to comment on Leathermans pricing. I don’t see it to be to bad of a price compared to other compu
@@pricexs4129 there are several videos where I express the same opinion about MagnaCut. When I deduce that companies charge extra for this steel, I make the comment. The point here, it takes twice the labor to have 2 hollow ground blades, one of them fully serrated on Free P4. But due to Magnacut hype, they are getting away with it.
I cannot say that I hate or love it since it's what you did with YOUR tool, not my tool. 😁 So if you love it, then it's great. 👍 It is cool to test and modify for practice but, personally, I would not do it with my tool (I don't have Arc), just to not void warranty. 😋 In the field, I'd hope everyone is already carrying tools (like that bit set) to take their other tools apart to begin with. So that's all you do: unscrew it and take the diamond file out, then sharpen the other blades, all while keeping warranty intact. 🤷♂️ I'd also just carry a tiny diamond tapered sharpener with me. 😋👍
Outstanding mod! Who cares about the warranty. Once you ensure it’s good from the store it’s good. Anything you do to bust it after that you probably shouldn’t have been doing haha!
Smart hack the nail polish and the washer. Have you tried with a normal folder? Let's say you have a Para 2 that for any reason you can't disassemble completely, only the pivot
I haven’t taken the Para 2 apart but I can’t see why wouldn’t it work. The polish will flake off or one could use nail polish remover to get rid of it later.
Just as I have unsuccessfully been trying to understand why people are purchasing Arcs for 5 times what it costs to buy a Surge clone (which use proper 1/4 inch bits, not silly proprietary bits, along with T shank adapters). And don't cite the superior blade steel because you are already dismantling the Arc to sharpen the blade.
@@CuttingBoardRxhis point is that you don't have to destroy your Arc. For $10 you can buy a Surge file/saw set and keep the detached file in your Arc pouch.
I really like this idea as an alternative to swapping the file for a t-shank holder like many do. However, isnt the entire point of the magnacut blade with its superior edge retention that its supposed to last long enough that you dont have to field sharpen it on its own file though? Especially if you have to remove the thumb stud every time to get the angle you want, you might as well take it home and sharpen it properly on a real stone?
@@kvernesdotten MagnaCut doesn’t have a superior edge retention. It’s a well balanced steel but there are many with better edge retention. Tons of videos on this topic. I think Arc should have been $90 cheaper.
@@CuttingBoardRx To clarify, when I say superior I meant compared to the 420hc their knives usually have. And yeah I agree. For those of us outside the US the price is very hard to justify, if I order one its about 450-500 dollars after VAT and shipping.
@@kvernesdotten You gave me an idea for a short video! I will measure Rockville hardness on this MagnaCut blade and on 420HC on my LM Free P4. Anything below 59 makes MC a lot less wear resistant, so it would be a waste of money to buy the Arc in that case.
@@CuttingBoardRx Thats a great idea, we do lack some hard numbers on leathermans "premium" blades, though they are known to be very bad compared to other dedicated pocket knives with the same steels. Leathermans S30V for instance is almost single handedly responsible for the steels negative reputation as theirs was the only one alot of people ever saw and it was notorious for snapping across the finger hole. Cedric&Ada did a practical edge retention test on the leatherman arc, and the cut test went from about 80 cuts to 300 when upgrading to the arc... But when he did the same test on a "real" magnacut knife that number went up to 750 so it would be fun to see the actual specs on what LM uses!
@@CuttingBoardRx I wish Leatherman had of used M4 or S90V for the blade. I get it that they wanted better corrosion resistance, but I prefer superior edge retention over other aspects of knife steel.
Like some pro grade scissors? I thought of this but the pivot on the pliers has to withstand roughly 400 pounds of shear loading, (100 lbs average 30 years old male grip strength times the lever ratio of 2 times safety factor of 2) it would have to be extremely robust, heavy and expensive 🤷
It took me forever to build up the courage and get this done. I think this is a good idea and it should have been implemented by Leatherman from the start! What do you think?
Maybe they will see this and improve on future designs. And hopefully they get rid of the thumb studs as well.
@@chriswebb3018 I would like that to happen! I will only change a small consultation fee. What do you think would be fair?
Good idea, its what the Surge has
I like that Leatherman is using better steel for the blades, but wow that is a huge price hike for a little piece of magnacut. They must be buddies with benchmade and adopted their pricing strategies. Great video as always
Fantastic ! leatherman should hire you
Wouldn’t work out, I suspect! Thanks for subscribing!
As someone who owns thousands of tools, that Hoto bit driver is one of the nicest piece of kit I own.
I was pretty sure you'll come to this ! GOAT tools has removable tools on its MT, seems common sense now they've done it! Can't wait for the next sharpening video ! I often use the awl and the can opener is the most used tool on my multitool : grab a pot out the fire, rip open stuff, uncooperative pistachio negociator...
Oh, and will you add a slot to replace the thumb stud ?
I would have to say that you are a genius
I would agree with you. CBR knows his stuff!
This is a reason I love the surge so much because I can sharpen the blade with its own file. I am trying to muster the courage to do this on my arc, you did a fantastic job job, I will say that someone I know is working on a t handle insert for the arc to gain this function, it will go into the saw slot so then you can use a surge file or saw in the arc. I would like to make the insert the same thickness to replace the “awl” and add a sarretted blade where the original saw goes because I do miss that blade on my arc. The arc is very close to perfect for me. But what you have done is great idea and has my wheels spinning. New subscribers here. Great video
Thank you! I’m enjoying the tool. It is a great outdoors companion, the awl is a must-have for me as it’s a decent drill.
On the leatherman website it says they sharpen at 16° a side
Everyone is complaining about the price but if you just go and take a look at folding knives with magna cut they are just as expensive as the arch. And the arch is American made also I don’t see the price to be that bad
There is no evidence supporting the point that MagnaCut blades command higher price. In fact, the first mass produced MagnaCut folder was Hogue Deka, which was priced $139 or $10 below the more premium steel versions. Most folks are confused by what MagnaCut is and isn’t. It is a great steel but it is not a PREMIUM steel. However! Due to its higher toughness and slightly better edge retention, it is appropriate for a multi tool use, more so than the 420 used on older Leatherman models. Also, I have like 16 MagnaCut blades now because some companies stopped making my favorite models in any other steel. This is annoying because I prefer S45VN, M4 and 3V in most applications! Sorry about the rant, but…
@@CuttingBoardRx but you must also comment on other knife companies pricing of magnacut knives if you are going to comment on Leathermans pricing. I don’t see it to be to bad of a price compared to other compu
@@pricexs4129 there are several videos where I express the same opinion about MagnaCut. When I deduce that companies charge extra for this steel, I make the comment. The point here, it takes twice the labor to have 2 hollow ground blades, one of them fully serrated on Free P4. But due to Magnacut hype, they are getting away with it.
@@CuttingBoardRx wasn’t saying you, was saying the community in general.
Impressive video. You are awesome!
Nice
I cannot say that I hate or love it since it's what you did with YOUR tool, not my tool. 😁 So if you love it, then it's great. 👍 It is cool to test and modify for practice but, personally, I would not do it with my tool (I don't have Arc), just to not void warranty. 😋 In the field, I'd hope everyone is already carrying tools (like that bit set) to take their other tools apart to begin with. So that's all you do: unscrew it and take the diamond file out, then sharpen the other blades, all while keeping warranty intact. 🤷♂️ I'd also just carry a tiny diamond tapered sharpener with me. 😋👍
Good points! And, hopefully, you did enjoy the entertainment, right?
@@CuttingBoardRx Yeah, it was a good point of reference to think about if one does want to modify their multitool in the future. ☺️
@@Northanteus did you know that Leatherman is #1 US company? Their revenue is twice that of the #2, which is Benchmade
What number of torx screwdrive use for disassembly the Arc?
T8. Which was NOT included with the multitool 😂
@@CuttingBoardRx ah ok thanks 🤣
Outstanding mod! Who cares about the warranty. Once you ensure it’s good from the store it’s good. Anything you do to bust it after that you probably shouldn’t have been doing haha!
Smart hack the nail polish and the washer. Have you tried with a normal folder? Let's say you have a Para 2 that for any reason you can't disassemble completely, only the pivot
I haven’t taken the Para 2 apart but I can’t see why wouldn’t it work. The polish will flake off or one could use nail polish remover to get rid of it later.
For $12 Leatherman sells a replacement for the Surge T shank diamond file. No disassembly required.
I’m trying to understand your point. Hold on… thinking… thinking… nope! Nada!
Just as I have unsuccessfully been trying to understand why people are purchasing Arcs for 5 times what it costs to buy a Surge clone (which use proper 1/4 inch bits, not silly proprietary bits, along with T shank adapters). And don't cite the superior blade steel because you are already dismantling the Arc to sharpen the blade.
@@CuttingBoardRxhis point is that you don't have to destroy your Arc. For $10 you can buy a Surge file/saw set and keep the detached file in your Arc pouch.
@andrewplaysoutside destroyed the ARC I did not, Sir. I made it more functional.
I really like this idea as an alternative to swapping the file for a t-shank holder like many do. However, isnt the entire point of the magnacut blade with its superior edge retention that its supposed to last long enough that you dont have to field sharpen it on its own file though? Especially if you have to remove the thumb stud every time to get the angle you want, you might as well take it home and sharpen it properly on a real stone?
@@kvernesdotten MagnaCut doesn’t have a superior edge retention. It’s a well balanced steel but there are many with better edge retention. Tons of videos on this topic. I think Arc should have been $90 cheaper.
@@CuttingBoardRx To clarify, when I say superior I meant compared to the 420hc their knives usually have.
And yeah I agree. For those of us outside the US the price is very hard to justify, if I order one its about 450-500 dollars after VAT and shipping.
@@kvernesdotten You gave me an idea for a short video! I will measure Rockville hardness on this MagnaCut blade and on 420HC on my LM Free P4. Anything below 59 makes MC a lot less wear resistant, so it would be a waste of money to buy the Arc in that case.
@@CuttingBoardRx Thats a great idea, we do lack some hard numbers on leathermans "premium" blades, though they are known to be very bad compared to other dedicated pocket knives with the same steels. Leathermans S30V for instance is almost single handedly responsible for the steels negative reputation as theirs was the only one alot of people ever saw and it was notorious for snapping across the finger hole.
Cedric&Ada did a practical edge retention test on the leatherman arc, and the cut test went from about 80 cuts to 300 when upgrading to the arc... But when he did the same test on a "real" magnacut knife that number went up to 750 so it would be fun to see the actual specs on what LM uses!
@@CuttingBoardRx I wish Leatherman had of used M4 or S90V for the blade. I get it that they wanted better corrosion resistance, but I prefer superior edge retention over other aspects of knife steel.
I would make the handles able to separate.😅
Like some pro grade scissors? I thought of this but the pivot on the pliers has to withstand roughly 400 pounds of shear loading, (100 lbs average 30 years old male grip strength times the lever ratio of 2 times safety factor of 2) it would have to be extremely robust, heavy and expensive 🤷
Hi! Are you sure that is not torx T9?
Yes
This is paradoxical and your going to tear a hole in the fabric of space and time
That’s the idea!
Absolute insanity. 0 stars.
What is the terrible ring
This is from the f-ing ring lights. Have to come up with something better.