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Was the Lord Teaching the Rich Young Ruler Lordship Salvation?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Was the Lord Teaching the Rich Young Ruler Lordship Salvation
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Welcome to the Grace in Focus radio / podcast. Today, Bob Wilkin and Mike Lii are answering a concern from the general teaching about the rich young ruler of Luke 18. Is Jesus teaching here, contrary to John 3:16, that works can get you eternal salvation? Or did His words to the rich young ruler seek to shake him up and give him something to think about? Please listen for some interesting Biblical discussion regarding this passage!
Luke 18:18-29, Lordship, Salvation, Rich, Young, Ruler
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Bob, Mathew 19:17 "if you want to enter (aorist tense) into life, keep (aorist tense) the commandments " seems a pretty straight forward clear verse..no need cross reference to explain it.
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The apostles in CHRIST's Earthly Ministry did similar, BUT this was during HIS message of the KINGDOM, now Postponed till future Millenium. Whether Inherit means to 'Have' is still unknown to me, BUT this scenario was BEFORE the Death, ( Shedding of Blood ), Burial, and Resurrection of Our LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR Salvation as revealed to HIS Servant the Apostle Paul. The Apostle Peter and the other 12 didn't understand Christ's Need to die for the sins of the world ( Luke 18:34, Matthew 16:22-23, Luke 24:25-27 ) during CHRIST's Earthly ministry.
My bottom-line understanding is that OT ( which was still in effect till the death of the Testator Hebrews 9:16 ) And even then there was a Transition till Paul's Revelation of the mystery of Church Age, which in the Mind of GOD came AFTER a Legitimate Offer ( & reoffer in early Acts ) of the KINGDOM to Israel, Now Postponed till future Millenium
Matt7:21 " Not every one who says, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father..."
Matt 7:24 " Every one who hears these words of mine and DOES THEM is like a wise man......and every man who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man....
Luke 8:21 " My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and DO IT".
John 3:20 " For every one who does evil hates the light......but he who does what is true comes to the light"
John 6:27 " Labor for the food that endures to eternal life..."
John 8:12 " I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life"
John 8:31 " If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples..."
John 11:26 " whoever LIVES AND BELIEVES IN ME shall never die"...
John 14:15 " if you love me you will keep my commandments.."
John 15:7 " If you abide in me, and my words abide in you..."
John 15:10 " If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love..."
Romans 6:16 " If you yield yourselves to any one as OBEDIENT slaves, you are slaves of the one you OBEY, either of sin, which leads to death, or of OBEDIENCE , which leads to righteousness.."
Romans 8, " For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. To set the mind on the flesh is death, set mind on Spirit it is life and peace..."
Romans 12:1 " Present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship......be transformed by the renewal of your mind...
Col 3:1 " Seek the things that are above....not things that are on earth...
Gal 6:8 " Sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life"...
1 John 1:7 " Walk in the light as he is in the light.....and the blood of Christ cleanses you from all sin"
1 John 2:5 " Whoever keeps his word, in him truly love for God has been perfected"
Rev 2:10 " Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life'....
I guess I believe in the "LORDSHIP SALVATION" ............but so does Jesus, Paul, John......
Both Lordship salvation and Free Grace have the same error:
"The heaven when you die goal". They just disagree on the conditions.
In the Gospels Jesus made available life- NOW.
@@Liminalplace1 I do not even know what they mean by "Lordship Salvation", It is something that they have fabricated, I believe we are saved by faith, an obedient faith, not a dead faith like GES believes in. And we become children of God by faith when we have been baptized into Christ, Gal 3:26-27
GES has no "conditions", after you believe for about three seconds, you are saved, and then you can do whatever you want, never ever repent and heaven will be your home.
Please take the time and explain the verses above......
luke 7 47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”
Can you please explain this from a free grace perspective? Jesus says she's saved because she "loved much" later on Jesus also said her faith saved her, doesn't it seem to suggest that true faith is always accompanied with love?
Gee .. a big methodology error in interpretation here, not followed
*. Authorial intent .
Why interpret the Synoptic gospels using the gospel of John??
Mark Mathew and Luke written a good deal prior to John. How were the churches to interpret their reading "the Rich Young Ruler" before John wrote his gospel?
Its apriori reasoning.
Can anyone learn anything about the cross work and full reconciliation back to the Father through that way? Does Matt, Mark Luke and John even know about the finished cross work at the time of this writing? Are these books Jews talking to Jews only? It looks like there are 2 TRUE gospels going on in the new testament. One is the salvation of the Jews only, and the other by belief in the cross work of Christ by grace alone for anyone who would believe in it.
John 3:16 gets it done , forever .
Disciples were born again well before understanding His attributes/works He performed (DBR) .
The only Object and Content of one's faith whereby one is irreversibly born again is simple childlike faith in Him FOR His doubtless Guarantee of Everlasting Life .
All other criteria is helpful , apologetically , but is merely Preparatory .
Preparatory versus NECESSARY .
NECESSARY= John 3:16 & every equivalent passage .
Very observant. The most correct cutting of His word is that between the gospel of Jesus and the gospel of the risen Christ. And smack dab in the middle is the most important event in the history of the universe: the cross. And the two radically different gospels are NOT to be mixed because doing so just causes chaos and confusion and brings great joy to Satan.
Salvation through favour unto obedience NOT instant eternal salvation (once saved always saved)
Objectively , you could Never possibly accomplish Everlasting salvation by any Subjective criteria whatsoever .
His doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life is purely Objective :
John 1:12-13,3:1-18,4:1-39,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27,20:31...
Totally apart from Perseverance in Performance till death (works) :
Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; & the book of Galatians .
Little children can easily understand and believe in Him for what He actually Certifies , instantly having irrevocable Life at that moment .
Cuz He cannot lie to the little ones .
No better news , ever .
Satan believes that Jesus died for our sins and the He was risen in 3 days. But he doesn't BELIEEEEEVE. So John 3:16 is not all that clear. Its bones are in need of some flesh.
James clearly teaches the need for good works.
Every believer has great rewards in this life. Oh, you mean like great suffering? The latter gets you great rewards in the NEXT life. Phil. 1:29: for to you it has been graciously granted to be suffering for My sake.
You can serve one of two masters. Satan's favorite nephew: Mammon.
Blameless is a human standard of righteousness. Not His. You don't earn eonion salvation by obeying all the commandments because only Jesus was able to do that perfectly.
Paul's conversion was not faith-, but EVIDENCE-based. The only one the risen Christ revealed Himself to. So far.
Do Demons Believe the Gospel? - James 2:19 - Bob Wilkin
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Does James 2:19 say that demons believe the gospel? Bob Wilkin of the Grace Evangelical Society looks at what demons believe. Is the faith of demons some how different from faith in other parts of the Bible?
Why Aren't Demons Saved If They Believe the Gospel? - Zane C. Hodges
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IF you believe in Jesus you will do what He says. John 3:16 is not the message of salvation, rather its one of many that promises everlasting life to true repentant believers that continue in the faith until the end.
You will be saved if you do these 2 things.
Romans 10:9-10
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus as Lord. It's not enough to simply acknowledge that Jesus is God, that He is Lord of the universe,the demons acknowledge that it says in James 2:19.
You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.
The theology of the demons is impeccable, their Christology and knowledge of God far surpasses ours. They know God is the Sovereign of the universe,
they know Jesus is God,the deity. They know that doesn’t save them.
What does Paul mean when he says confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus he means confess Jesus as your Lord your Sovereign. This is a deep personal conviction without reservation that Jesus as Lord and master, meaning to be obeyed.
Jesus said: Luke 9:23 If you want to follow me deny yourself. The gospel is more than a claim of belief, it's about self denial. It's not about Jesus I believe in you, I know some popular scriptures.
It's about you humbling yourself, beating on your breasts, changing your mind about your sinfulled life crying out to God,be merciful to me a sinner,and save me. It about saying Jesus I acknowledge you as my Sovereign Lord and master,I deny myself and I submit to serve you.
The rich young ruler wouldn't do that. Jesus said to do sell everything take all of your money and give it to the poor. That doesn't mean that to obtain salvation you must give all your money to the poor otherwise the poor wouldn't be able to be saved unless they gave away their money.
The point in that parable is that Jesus was testing his commitment to His Lordship. He could have asked him to do a hundred different things. Jesus asked him to do something that would test his willingness to deny himself. He went away, saying I'm not doing that. He wouldn't confess that Jesus was to be the Lord of his life, he wouldn't submit to His sovereignty.
The feature here in being saved is to believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. Meaning to believe that Jesus died on the cross was buried and rose again, that the resurrection shows that He is God as indicated in the statement that He is to be confessed as Lord, so you are confessing both the deity of Jesus Christ, the Sovereignty of Christ and the work of Christ's sinless life substitutionary death literally body resurrection, believing in your heart the facts of the gospel that God raised Him from the dead, is to say God the Father put the stamp of divine approval on the perfect work of Jesus Christ. Christ's resurrection was a Supreme validation of His earthly ministry. You will be saved only when you have acknowledged Jesus as your Lord believing in the substitutionary work validated by His glorious resurrection you believe in your heart you confess openly with your mouth unto salvation.
Jesus said
Matthew 10:32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.33
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
You either confess or you deny. IF you fail to confess then you are in effect denying. Each of us has to come to a point where we publicly acknowledge our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Wherever you go let people know you believe Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is Lord.
IF He is our Lord, what does "Lord " mean. It means someone who is to be obeyed.
Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
There are many scriptures promising eternal life,
there are no promises for those who hear only, but a hearer and a doer.
agree with most of what you said, except you left out water baptism and I assume you believe in repentance? Jesus said, " He that believes and is baptized shall be saved..." and in Gal 3:26-27 it states that we are children of God by faith when we have been baptized into Christ, when we put Christ on and also in Acts 2 it says that those who received the word and were baptized, the Lord added them to the saved, v41 & v47