Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I love that Leo was so willing to stick by Hoynes given that he helped set him up with the AA meetings back in season one.
Because it will get lost in the events, Josh was offering to let Donna work with CJ's team on the leak, to which she responded "You're saying I can do this?" John Hoynes is... either a complicated character or an inconsistent one. He started out as the villain in S1. He seemed overwhelmed by events in S2, while still starting the MS breadcrumbs. He was a hero in S3's Stirred, where he takes his name of a bill just because it will help people. Now we find out he's a philanderer who has spilled secrets. . . . Spoilers but not really spoilers... . . . If you are familiar with Tim Matheson's career, the replacement to Hoynes is kinda funny.
I love a lot of episodes, but this one really is a favorite! I love seeing Matt Perry in a more dramatic but funny role like this, and the scene with CJ on the phone while he silently points out all the evidence he's gathered gives me excited chills every time.
Nice to hear your positive comments on Matt Perry's performance. I thought his delivery as Joe Quincy was exceptional, he wasn't just a Friends/Fools Rush In comic performer. He's quite good in Studio 60 as well.
Agnew's resignation had nothing to do with Watergate. From Copilot: "Spiro T. Agnew, the 39th vice president of the United States, resigned in 1973. His downfall began when he was investigated for accusations of extortion, bribery, and income-tax violations related to his tenure as governor of Maryland. Faced with federal indictments, Agnew pleaded no contest to a single felony charge of tax evasion and resigned from office. His resignation marked the first time a vice president had stepped down under duress."
I love how you guys are both so insightful about what's coming up on the show, but how you will still be blown away by the ending of this season. You'll see, though, that this ending is surprising but not out of left field. Some other great guest appearances are coming up. Enjoy.
Great episode, great acting, great suspense. Lot of those “Sorkinisms” being used, like the initial conversation being Joe and CJ. Toby and Will. Toby and Charlie. Both have that classic Toby is too frustrated to finish a sentence 😂. Everybody is great!
10 years after the series ended, Gen Petraeus did the same thing, spilling classified secrets to his mistress. Amazing how fact follows fiction sometimes.
Before 1967, there was no mechanism for filling a vacancy in the vice presidency, and the office was vacant for a cumulative total of 35 years. Since the 25th amendment, it has occurred twice, both times involving Gerald Ford, who replaced Spiro Agnew as VP, then succeeded Nixon, then appointed Nelson Rockefeller. Unlike other appointments, it has to be confirmed by both houses.
I love this episode, I just had two issues with it. 1. They could have foreshadowed it in some of the previous episodes. They had plenty of space for it to appear. 2. Introducing Matthew Perry’s character for this could have been better. I would have preferred an established character to run this down. The reason for that will come later
This, along with some other episodes, really sets up the season finale and the opening of the next season…you've got to go all the way back to season 1...
"And hats off to Sorkin for not writing the same character twice. There's been many shows and movies that are guilty of that were an actor can't return so they make a new character and then all of a sudden it's just the same character beats again." Not to be disagreeable, but The West Wing is kind of guilty of that too. The conflict centered around the hiring of Joe Quincy (Why would a Republican want to serve in the democratic white house? Because they have a duty?) is similar to Ainsly Hayes and Lionel Tribby and Oliver Babbish both enjoy extoling the histories of various artifacts they have on hand.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I love that Leo was so willing to stick by Hoynes given that he helped set him up with the AA meetings back in season one.
You're not. Leo is clearly trying to find a way out of this for Hoynes
Because it will get lost in the events, Josh was offering to let Donna work with CJ's team on the leak, to which she responded "You're saying I can do this?"
John Hoynes is... either a complicated character or an inconsistent one. He started out as the villain in S1. He seemed overwhelmed by events in S2, while still starting the MS breadcrumbs. He was a hero in S3's Stirred, where he takes his name of a bill just because it will help people. Now we find out he's a philanderer who has spilled secrets.
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Spoilers but not really spoilers...
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If you are familiar with Tim Matheson's career, the replacement to Hoynes is kinda funny.
I love a lot of episodes, but this one really is a favorite! I love seeing Matt Perry in a more dramatic but funny role like this, and the scene with CJ on the phone while he silently points out all the evidence he's gathered gives me excited chills every time.
Nice to hear your positive comments on Matt Perry's performance. I thought his delivery as Joe Quincy was exceptional, he wasn't just a Friends/Fools Rush In comic performer. He's quite good in Studio 60 as well.
The letter goes to the Secretary of State, not the Speaker of the House, as is said by Jed Bartlet in the opening scene.
Agnew's resignation had nothing to do with Watergate.
From Copilot:
"Spiro T. Agnew, the 39th vice president of the United States, resigned in 1973. His downfall began when he was investigated for accusations of extortion, bribery, and income-tax violations related to his tenure as governor of Maryland. Faced with federal indictments, Agnew pleaded no contest to a single felony charge of tax evasion and resigned from office. His resignation marked the first time a vice president had stepped down under duress."
Rachel Maddow has a great podcast about Agnew's resignation, called Bagman.
Strap in guys. This season has a great group of episodes to bring it to a close.
Hope you enjoy it as much as I did when it first aired.
I love how you guys are both so insightful about what's coming up on the show, but how you will still be blown away by the ending of this season. You'll see, though, that this ending is surprising but not out of left field. Some other great guest appearances are coming up. Enjoy.
You suck. Please stop spoiling
"I hope Matthew Perry wasn't just a one-off last time; I hope we get to see him again." Hee hee hee!
Great episode, great acting, great suspense.
Lot of those “Sorkinisms” being used, like the initial conversation being Joe and CJ.
Toby and Will. Toby and Charlie. Both have that classic Toby is too frustrated to finish a sentence 😂.
Everybody is great!
10 years after the series ended, Gen Petraeus did the same thing, spilling classified secrets to his mistress. Amazing how fact follows fiction sometimes.
If you miss Aaron Sorkin, you could always react to The Newsroom. It was never as popular as The West Wing but in my opinion it is just as good.
Or Sports Night
@@sammydavisvideovault8302 I haven't seen this. I've tried but it wasn't available anywhere in my country.
Or Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip
Fun fact/Hollywood casting nonsense story: The "22 year old intern" who Joe treats with skepticism was four years older than Matthew Perry.
"Have an idea!" is one of my go-to phrases at work. :D Or when my wife doesn't know what she wants for dinner.
Before 1967, there was no mechanism for filling a vacancy in the vice presidency, and the office was vacant for a cumulative total of 35 years. Since the 25th amendment, it has occurred twice, both times involving Gerald Ford, who replaced Spiro Agnew as VP, then succeeded Nixon, then appointed Nelson Rockefeller. Unlike other appointments, it has to be confirmed by both houses.
I love this episode, I just had two issues with it.
1. They could have foreshadowed it in some of the previous episodes. They had plenty of space for it to appear.
2. Introducing Matthew Perry’s character for this could have been better. I would have preferred an established character to run this down. The reason for that will come later
You suck. Stop spoiling.
I really need to watch you guys on patreon cause I wanna see your reactions to the bird in the window! 😂 Once I can afford it I promise I will!! 😅
This, along with some other episodes, really sets up the season finale and the opening of the next season…you've got to go all the way back to season 1...
12:30 Hmm, wonder if that'll come up at all...
It is a big letter.
"And hats off to Sorkin for not writing the same character twice. There's been many shows and movies that are guilty of that were an actor can't return so they make a new character and then all of a sudden it's just the same character beats again."
Not to be disagreeable, but The West Wing is kind of guilty of that too. The conflict centered around the hiring of Joe Quincy (Why would a Republican want to serve in the democratic white house? Because they have a duty?) is similar to Ainsly Hayes and Lionel Tribby and Oliver Babbish both enjoy extoling the histories of various artifacts they have on hand.
Please watch studio 60 if you'd like to continue with Sorkin!!