@@Nihilakh4life If you think so you clearly misunderstand the whole point. She knows that her point is controversial so she wants to encourage the audience to engage in discourse with different opinions.
Amazing how many times people keep saying this without picking up a single comic book. Also do the court of owls and lex luther not exist as villains anymore?
There's an episode of BTAS where Bruce Wayne fights his shareholders to allow his company to sell pharmaceuticals at production cost. There's another one where he personally helps rehabilitate the Ventriloquist by paying for his housing/amenities and setting him up with a well paying job straight out of prison. There's another one where Harley Quinn gets out of Arkham and Batman spends the whole episode compassionately trying to help her operate in the real world and stop self-sabotaging and getting arrested again. That's only a few episodes of the animated show. That's not counting other episodes, other shows, and of course an insane amount of examples from the comics. No disrespect to Donna here, but this seems like yet another instance of someone who only has a surface level understanding of the character and his source material, have this "groundbreaking revelation" that Batman hates poor people, even though he's been shown fighting the system at the top level and bottom level for decades at this point.
The scene where Harley tries to go shopping with her hyenas on roller skates and doesn't understand she has to pay for the dress so she gets chased for stealing is a favorite of mine. It was honestly sweet to see her giving an earnest shot at going straight but in the end she decided she just didn't fit in because she didn't understand or like all the rules. Anyway you're correct I remember batman was there trying to help her the whole episode
Not once have you mentioned the Penguin, who is a corrupt rich villain often depicted as an elite figure of Gotham. Especially in The Batman (2022) where the Penguin runs a nightclub as a front for money laundering through legal loopholes. Batman does not discriminate crime based on wealth, he doesn't go after the most elite to stop the corruption as Gotham is riddled with criminals that are constantly threatening public safety and are more likely to reek chaos in the city than a business person who may be cheating the system unless they are highering ruffians to attack the innocent.
She uses The Batman as example of Batman not targeting the rich and corrupt, when the entire plot of that movie is Batman actively trying to out corrupt politicians
Yeah but Batman doesn't target the rich and corrupt in "The Batman." The Riddler does. Batman's goal is to stop the Riddler and he only finds out about the rich and corrupt criminals as a result of following the Riddler's clues. He tries to save the rich and corrupt criminal that the Riddler horrifically strapped to a bomb. He stops Catwoman from killing another rich and powerful criminal. This is highlighted by the fact that once he goes as Bruce Wayne to the rich and corrupt criminal club, he's immediately let in and treated as a welcome guest. When the Riddler says that he thought they were on the same side, Batman says he's insane. I mean, the movie seems to be subtly critical of Batman as a person because of this. But Batman, himself, not targeting the rich and corrupt is very much the point of the movie. The character who is targeting the rich and corrupt is the crazy maniac villain. So I'd say that "the Batman" movie is actually one really good example of Batman as a character ignoring rich criminals and beating up poor criminals--even moreso than other movies and the comics. The comics try to balance it out with mentions of him donating to charity, iirc. Because he's still supposed to be an aspirational person--good at heart and charming to people around him when he cares to be. But the Batman in the latest movie is written to be a broken down bastard shut in whose actions aren't necessarily right at any given moment, and who decides to change his ways at the end.
@@JC-uv3xd you're definitely right in all of this, but his arc is that as he this, he shifts his focus to Falcone and Penguin and the like. He didn't start there, but he got to "I have to become more" by the end of the movie. Sure, his main target is still Riddler, but that's because he's a killer, and regardless of the corruption of those he kills, he's still killing. And by the end, Riddler floods Gotham, which was only ever going to hurt the poor and the average man. And it's because of all of this, along with the words of the mayor and of Selina, that Bruce realizes that he has to go higher than random thugs in the streets. On another note, the only people he punches in the entire movie who aren't rich criminals or working for rich criminals are the gang at the beginning and the riddler goons at the end. All of whom were either committing violent acts for the sake of it or perpetuating the violent plans of a madman. In the end, he learned, and he acted on what he learned. And there's not a doubt in my mind that the sequel will further that arc. Bruce Wayne, in comics, animation, and film, has always been a man who uses his wealth to benefit his city and others. Be it charity donations, public orphanages and hospitals, homeless shelters and housing, employment drives, donations to schools, or even just straight up rebuilding the city. And that's just a few examples. The point of Batman isn't to punish the poor. It's to highly the schism between the poor and the rich and to show what the more fortunate among us can do for those who have less than they do. It's also just cool to see Batman do his thing. I could go on and on even more than I already have on this, but I can't help but see this whole thing as surface-level analysis at best.
@@ChildlikeMan late comment but I think that's precisely the point... All of the movie is about how the system and the corruption of the city it's what completely deluting and fucking up the city... then at the end, the people who are actively saying that decide to murder a bunch of people and flood the whole city because reasons. Generally speaking, these type of blockbusters do that with the heroe / villain dynamic. Do a lot of theatrics about meaning and societal problems and questioning the heroe's morals and ideals, do then... nuke the entire idea because the villains who are the ones opposing the system, bomb a hospital full of children because "it's about the message" or whatever.
Cobblepot was an elitist of Gotham just like Wayne and even climbs his way back into the upper echelons of Gothams society a few times. Harvey Dent was a lawyer. Jonathan Crane was a psychologist. Victor Fries was a cryogenics expert and Dr.Langstrom was a scientist trying to cure deafness in humanity. And Batman started off by going after the Mob in Gotham. Carmine Falcone was one of the richest people in the city and Sionis was not poor by any means. Hugo Strange, also a pretty wealthy guy with the financial backing of the government. Ra's Al Ghul probably didn't care about money at all but he definitely has it since he has his own private jet. And Thomas Elliot was born into a wealthy family just like Wayne. His first crime was murdering his father and attempted murdering of his mother because he wanted his inheritance. I just don't believe Batman targets anyone based on their income.
Also worth pointing out, Batman’s allies, both in the batfamily and stuff like the justice league, come from both rich and poor backgrounds. Heck, you could argue Bruce has more of a soft spot for people who are poor, most of the robins and batgirls he’s trained came from either poor or middle class families, with the only one that might be in an iffy position is Barbara Gordon, and that’s just because it’s hard to assume her father isn’t at least getting a fair paycheck working for the police in Gotham.
I don't think you guys actually understand the point here. The actual problem came with the sources of these corruptions itself, the problem relies on the system, which is the source of the problems
@@enterurnamehere27 I'm having a hard time believing that you're serious right now. Let me just help ya out...the title asserts that Batman hates poor people. If that were true that's all he would ever target and he wouldn't just target criminals. I watched the video, I understand her points just fine and for the most part I agree. I don't agree Batman should be beating up politicians and elitists because they exploit legal loopholes in a corrupt system, that would probably look really bad for Batman. Other than that I don't think I had any issues with what she was actually saying. But the assertion that Batman hates poor people is indeed wrong.
I finished the video, and I'm already noticing some issues. Batman does target white collar crime and does go after corrupt politicians. The GCPD being corrupt and the politicians being in bed with the mob is pretty well known. It's why he admires Jim Gordon for trying to do the right thing. We see this in Batman Year One. It doesn't get as much play in the movies because the movies tend to be more action focused while white collar crime is more about investigations in finances. I know your intentions with the video was to use Batman as a gateway topic to talk about real people feeling disgusted with poor people and how we handle white collar crime, but I don't personally feel like this was the best jumping off point when it requires one to agree with a false point about the character. I feel like the video could have done more to talk about this concept of a phobia of the poor and how classism works especially in terms with race and gender (there are debates over if rich black people are more or less privileged than poor white people for example). Overall, I give the video a C+ if I had to give it a grade. You got me to click on it by the title (I'm already a subscriber, so that's how I saw it), but it left me with not much to work with.
Exactly. Interesting topic but Batman just wasn’t the right example for it. Even Batman has moments when he fought the corruption from the wealthy elites.
I’m going to give this video a chance but this point has been debunked a lot. Like, he’ll try to uplift them all the time and something stupid always comes back to derail him.
So... according to you Batman "doesn't fight the elite"... except when he literally has an entire storyline about fighting a secret society that runs Gotham from the shadows... or the countless times he fights the Gotham mafia or corruption in politics and police, also yeah, Batman goes more after big villains than street robbers, that's just a twitter argument that people take from 3 scenes in every movie.
The whole second half of the video could of just been the whole topic for this video, Batman was needed to make this video what it was imo. He's not a good example to use.
fighting a secret society is one thing. But fighting the non secret very prominent cooperations that robb the poor LEGALLY... that's something else.... which he doesnt do. Yeah he fights some times corruption in politics and police but lets be honest, he never fought the actual root of the problems he fights. Only the effects not the cause... which kinda shows that he either doesnt really care or hes really fcking stupid... Evidence of that can literally be seen if you look at every single piece of media he has appeared in. It doesnt end. Why? If he's fighting the elite, corruption and... secret societies, why doesnt it get better? Or at least why arent there less evil guys? They just come back and get worse every time. Either he's really bad at his job and to stupid to understand that whatever he does doesnt work or he just doesnt care...
this topic has been done to death and honestly anyone whos been paying attention knows that several writers have address this over the last 30 years. theres really nothing to argue here, the thesis just isnt true at this point. I do appreiciate the underlying point tho.
I appreciate the message of the video but batman doesn't disproportionately effect the poor he establishes public projects to assist the poor and gives job opportunities to the less fortunate. He spends most of the time fighting lunatics and super powered characters, not guys stealing tvs
That's what I think should be the focus here. The issue is less about Batman "punching down" and more about how he treats crime as a problem of the individual. To evolve into a better hero, Batman needs to recognize the contradictions of class and fight systemic issues; he needs to renounce and fight against his own class.
@@G0TIMAN it’s better if I point you towards some issues. Oh and I know the points are like hard drilled in the writing and the writers are relying more on the reader to read between the lines in some cases. Year one, cult, court of the owls run, I forgot the issue but it came out in 2011 or 2012 and it shows the most detailed description of how Bruce takes a two front attack approach. Keep in mind that Bruce only priority is Gotham city not the whole USA. So he’s really trying to push Gotham out of a capitalist mindset and more into a social one. But he has stated that it will take a long time because of the immense corruption. Decades and in universe they always state he has been doing this for 10 or 20 years depending on the retcons. He knows he will probably die before seeing it which is why the bat family will continue his fight.
I don't know, Batman has many flaws (specially in the mental aspect) but I don't think this is one of them, it feels more like a description of The Comedian. Still an interesting topic tho.
He is a billionaire who goes around besting up poor people. He could end poverty with his wealth and still be rich, and getting rid of poverty would get rid of most of the survival tactics we currently classify as crime.
@@justinwatson1510 Oh yes, the immortal eco-terrorist, the owner of a night club who is also a crime lord, the district attorney with half burnt face and a secret society that exists since colonial times. Classic examples of the Gotham working class, how dares Batman beat those poor people up
@@zoo8985 kind of a pointless critique. In the real world, most crime is committed out of need. Poor people didn't send jobs overseas to cheaper markets, but they have to find a way to survive in a world that requires money to exchange for basic needs and a completely gutted welfare system. Poor people didn't crominalize mental illness, and they didn't create the private prison system that introduced a financial motive to incarcerate people. The world we live in was completely designed by rich people, and that's why it sucks.
@@justinwatson1510 Don't you think he tries? Talking about the comic Batman, but he participates in a lot of of charities and the Wayne Enterprises is the best company you can possible work, the problem comes from Gotham's corruption, the city is rot and every other place also is, he can't "end poverty" if the other big guys don't want that That's the whole point of his character, one man trying to save people during day and night
1. So you mentioned canon but you never mentioned how the Waynes have set up a charity. In the comics, Wayne Enterprises is the bedrock for the city and has numerous charities that support the poor. 2. The corruption in the city is what Batman usually fights against. Gotham is literally rated as the worst crime capital of America because of the huge wealth disparity and corruption. Mobsters like the Penguin run the city who Batman fights against. 3. This in between all the crazy murderous villains that he fights everyday. Poison Ivy trying to genocide Gothamites Scarecrow and Joker poisoning the water supply Riddler planting bombs around the city a pyromaniac firefly setting the city on fire a cannibalous human crocodile hybrid in the sewers multiple serial killers joke villains that run around causing mayhem an illuminati-lite organization that has been corrupting the city since its founding an insane asylum that is pretty much an open door given the number of outbreaks. There really isn't much time to fight muggers between all this. Honestly the city is a hellhole. (No literally in one iteration there is a giant demon underneath Gotham that's causing this madness). The situation in Gotham can never improve or only temporarily improve because its comics. The plot needs to continue and there must always be trouble. Gotham is a cesspool of criminality, corruption, and desperation and Batman is one of the few people who would never give up on the city. In that respect, I think that's admirable & between all the scholarships, charities, and government lobbying on behalf of the citizens of Gotham, i don't think he hates the poor.
Well it's more that batman is used to bring attention to what she wanted to talk about without actually making sure batman should actually be attached to this.
What a wonderful way to attract batman fans and making sure they don't misinterpret your message, by misinterpreting the philosophy behind their favourite character. Yeah, this will go well
1. TECHNICALLY Batman does pay for the damage. According to the statistics it is the super rich pay the most in taxes. Therefore Bruce Wayne’s taxes pay for most of the city's damage 2. The theory of everything is Batman's fault has been explored in the comics with Hugo Strange
Something I do appreciate the new movie did was that Bruce's elite status is called out a few times, by Catwoman especially, who is a stripper in the iceberg lounge living in grinding poverty. Bruce really does have his morals called into question. Alfred, and the new Gotham Mayor also tell him about this. Batman isn't really the method Gotham needs as much as it is what Bruce feels he needs to change it, because its easy. "I realize now I've had an effect...but not the one I intended."-Batman,2022
Of course. And in the movie, Batman still does target the white collar criminals, like Colson and Carmine Falcone. He only doesn't kill them because he knows about the damage it would cause not only to himself, but to Gotham. Even after Riddler has killed Falcone, crime and poverty are still rampant in Gotham. Batman's not a savior, but he is still trying to make Gotham better.
I like what you said here about the newer movie, it actually made me interested to see it. But then again, aren’t all bad guys like, “☝️we’re not so different, you and I…” at some point? Lol but I see how this is new. I think this is the essence of her point. He is trying to make it better, but he’s so biased from both trauma and his classism that he truly believes fighting petty criminals in the street is worth all the time and effort and cutting edge technology he uses to do it. Maybe all of that energy and all of those resources aren’t best used for seeking out low level criminals, ceaselessly supplied by the decline of a city mired in inequality, and expending great effort to engage each of them in hand to hand combat. It seems like, if I’m correct, Donna is saying he’s in a unique position to be pointing all that energy, effort and sheer power at something a little less… obvious. Maybe matching the major force he has behind him with something of equal or similar magnitude, something the cops and the people can’t fight themselves, something they’d actually need his unique skillset to challenge. What stands out to me the most is how advanced his tech is. It’s not unlike how the FBI accessed a stingray to catch a guy filing 30k in false tax returns yet we ain’t got Jack or shit on the billions in rampant financial crimes and antitrust practices happening on Wall Street and in board rooms. 2008 happened and the people behind it are YET AGAIN at the helm of our global economy, screwing around with ppls lives. How the IRS says it’s easier to get wage garnishments or tax liens approved for back taxes if they audit and pursue default judgements against a lower middle class or working class person, bc they are more successful in generating revenue from the people who can’t afford to fight it. So, there are criminals committing major tax crimes stealing way more than the average Joe miscalculates, but since Joe can’t afford to be protected, he’s an easier target for an attack than those who intentionally defraud the government for millions of ill gotten gains every year. I digress but yoooou get it eat the rich etc etc
I genuinely think the only time Batman has outright fought poor people was Batman: The Cult and that was when a cult leader used the homless population to pull a Bane like a hood 30 years before dark knight rises. Past that he fights almost exclusively Doctors, crime lords, and the Gotham elite like the court of owls or Simon stagg of Stagg industries. Hell the first Batman movie has him literally punch a rich white guy to save the poor people. The only villain I think that’s below the poverty line are the more monsterous ones and probably the mad hatter but he…he’s on the registry no doubt
Ogh no what an original take, i have not seen this 1000 times. I am sure this will be very original and not what i have heard, read and seen before i am glad this has no mention of batman's charity work or the court of owls or stories of batman targeting low level criminals so he can find their higherups.
And after Joker War? 🤔 Nightwing finished the Parliament of Owls so what is your comic point? Just listen and enjoy how a narrative is being to raise a good point. Edit: On that point, Raptor raises points about how Batman hates the poor as well.
@@batmanfan2005 And a good argument does not blank unfairable facts which you do lol Bats is a stupidly cannoned character, that does so much and has done so much, it is easy to pick any point to support a case. So unless the Arkham games (RIP Kevin Conroy) are wrong, you punch a lot of poor people. We are done.
The first part of this video has already been thoroughly debunked by DC fans, as Bruce Wayne is also a philanthropist and actually tries to help people "beneath" him and improve Gotham's material conditions. The second part makes some pretty good points about classism though.
As good as they are and the fact that they single handedly brought Batman back into the public consciousness and paved the way for the recent superhero movie era, the Nolan batman movies aren't the best to base a critique of the character. Haven't seen The Batman but I doubt it is either. There's just too much short hand and condensing that takes place even in a 2+ hour movie for a 70+ year old character. One thing to remember is that Batman may stop criminals but he ultimately leaves the penalties and punishment up to the civil government, even if it is ineffective or corrupt. It's the line he won't cross to become judge jury and executioner.
This is a very interesting topic of discussion of discussion (and controversy, damn you Donna). I think the best versions of Batman are the ones where he does exactly what you describe he doesn't do: go after corruption in the city and attempt to use his Bruce Wayne identity to help. Batman's been around for 80-ish years, and I can't even imagine how many different writers have told Batman stories, so how he uses his wealth and power has shifted so much over time. I think the Telltale Batman video game series does a really nice job of having his beloved parents turn out to be rich assholes who accumulated wealth, and now Bruce has to deal with that legacy
The thing is cannon does matter though , he’s a full blown killer in certain adaptions and even from the Golden age panel you brought up of his origins was when Bruce would straight up shoot criminals . These are now retconned for a reason so it’s not very fair to use that to judge Batman media as a whole . The man who’d end up adopting two orphans one of which (Jason Todd) was even raised in the slums to drug addicted parents is not the same man who’d kill criminals without a second thought . Not to mention his friend Leslie Thompkins that runs a free clinic for criminals and drug addicts funded by Bruce himself
Sticking strictly to the Batman we must consider three things: his trauma, his status, and experience as the Batman. His trauma did shape his vew on the petty criminals into them being his primary targets. Because of this trauma he most likely developed tunnel vision while becoming a figure of fear to combat crime. As far as he knew he had to take out every petty criminal who was actually caring out the acts they were ordered ot compelled to do. His status as a rich kid blinded him to why the criminals he fights commit crimes in the first place. When he began investigating the Riddler killings only then did he realize that he had to go higher than the thugs he fights. He began working up the ladder to take out the bigger fish who are part of the elite. Along side this revelation working with Silena Kyle showed him that she was one of the criminals he would hunt and realized that a lot of those criminals are doing what they're doing just to survive or correct an injustice they experienced. And then with him being Batman for just a couple years he carried out his nightly patrols not realizing that in the background his actions inspired others to act out in vengeance like he did but on a much more lethal scale. It took him seeing the monster he created to realize he had to be better. He couldn't be "vengeance" if he wanted to fix things. This makes me believe that in the next movie he will use his status as a billionaire and socialite to help the poor and politically combat the elites he can't take on directly as Batman. Whether by using his company to undo the damage that corrupted the system or simply giving to the poor through charity or improving the city itself. So do I think he hates poor people? No. But he definitely overlooked them. He should've looked to protect rather than to simply fight.
The entire motivation Batman had in his first few years was to go after the corrupt elite, there’s a great moment in year one where he enters carmine falcones home, and tells every rich elite criminal in there that “from this moment on, none of you are safe” there’s a REASON why he teamed up with Gordon and Dent, it was to take on the mob. He also has been seen to carry 100s in his belt to give to the poor, he’s also given criminals jobs at Wayne Ent, and he’s been known to donate money to mental health hospitals, he’s been known to offer help to even the worst of his villains, Bruce Wayne knows damn well the root of crime and evil in his city, it’s just not a simple thing to fight. There’s an ENTIRE story about Batman vs the elite, that being the court of owls, a secret organization of rich criminals in Gotham who run everything.
I'm sick to death of people "wanting to convey a message" picking batman as a reference point or example of whatever issue they are trying to highlight. This only shows that these people consumer only pop culture stuff, and their perception of the issues of the world is limited to the pop culture they consume.
While I agree with the sentiment of this video. I feel like it omits a lot in order to use batman as a vessel to explore corruption in a capitalist society. Yes, some Batman comics depict a deeply damaged person beating up muggers to fulfill some sort of lust for revenge. However, there are so many stories interrogating this and showing Bruce realizing he isn’t going to affect change in a meaningful way by targeting symptoms of a greater sickness. The Batman is literally about him fighting crime-lords and corrupt politicians exploiting a philanthropic program set up by the Waynes. If that’s not white collar, I don’t know what is. I don’t think anyone should have as much money as Bruce Wayne, but so many writers have addressed this. They try to depict him using his privilege to help others through philanthropy and other methods. Is he a false ideal of a rich person, yes, but he is often portrayed as someone using his inherited wealth to protect as many people as possible.
This is a video made by someone who's entire Batman knowledge comes from the movies and skim reading Wikipedia and fandom. Not once have you ever opened a Batman comic.
I agree with this video but... I would like to point out that Batman is far more complex than a man who beats up poor people. This is more of a surface level description of him. He is not just Batman, he is also Bruce Wayne, who is the billionaire in charge of Wayne Enterprises. Most of the younger superheroes are financed by Wayne Enterprises. He pays for everything and finances systems and schemes put into place to help Gotham City. Batman is insane... as in actually insane for choosing to be Batman. This is not something normal people do because of how incredibly unhealthy and toxic it is to be Batman. You need an awful mental state to be Batman. This is why he takes on orphaned kids to be his Robin. It is so they do not turn out to be like him. The first Robin had his parents murdered just like Bruce Wayne, so he was adopted as a son so Bruce can provide him with a support network, which leads Robin to quit being Robin because he moves on and he also realises just how awfully toxic it is to be Batman, so he became Nightwing to step away from the murky Batman life. Nightwing fights the criminals the police cannot get to and he is way less harsh than Batman. Batman usually is beating up henchmen who get in the way of stopping Batman or the Gotham Police Department from stopping a much larger crime from happening. Other criminals he also hurts are those creating victims to crimes that Batman is able to stop when the Gotham P.D. is too busy. The existence of Batman scares everyone to think twice before committing a crime or organising a crime ring because Batman will take them down. Gotham City has an unnatural amount of crime, more than our real world, the police are either too scared to handle these crimes or they have their hands full. Batman is there to fill in for the police while at the same time sending a message of fear to everyone else not doing crime so they are less tempted to do bad stuff. Tbh, fear is only temporary so fear eventually fails for the desperate poor people. Batman bruises but he doesn't kill. He makes innocent people feel safer in an awful city. Batman is *not* needed in our real world but he is absolutely needed in Gotham City and for his planet (for when he joins the Justice League to protect earth from threats that are Avengers Level Threats). Solid video. I liked. I'm sorry if I came off as a "well ackushally 🤓".
Also the Court of Owls storyline is about Batman fighting white collar crime and corruption, with is something he cannot simply beat up. He basically finds out that the Gotham rich people and the people in positions of power work together to make themselves more powerful while not caring about the poor people.
Also Batman DOES go against corrupt white collars, in many iterations as honor to his father's legacy. The whole point of the court of owls is to show how he fights the people in power.
I think this is kind of an issue pf different versions of the character--some versions of Batman will have him take down the rich, or give to the poor, etc. But others want him to be an edgy badass who is all grit and violence and no compassion. Now, I have to say--I don't think it actually matters one way or another. The overall framing of the situation--billionaire goes around and beats up muggers and people who escaped from a mental asylum--is one that is going to overshadow any action an individual Batman interpretation tries to do against the rich or for the poor. Especially if you're talking about how the broad strokes get interpreted by mainstream culture outside of the context of the comics. One comic book might write Batman taking down the rich and helping the poor. But if you take out those actions and write version of him who only beats up the poor, he's still recognizable as Batman to general audiences. The charity is not essential for Batman to be Batman. The beating up muggers on the street stuff is.
This is definitely a hot take, and I disagree with the premise. Batman is a fictional story that has to have progressive arcs. He always starts off fighting Gotham's criminal underbelly, the burglars, muggers, rapists, gangs, etc., because those are all types of thugs that the audience knows roam the streets at night. Then, Batman finds a clue, that leads to another crime, that leads to another clue, that eventually puts him in the Batcave, on the Batcomputer, searching through bank records, offshore accounts, and private island flight records, until the "Greatest Detective" uncovers a sinister plot, orchestrated by some mob boss, a politician, an evil corporate CEO, or a supervillain. And then there's Bruce Wayne, the careful philanthropist. He's always donating money and getting involved with charities. He tries to do good with his excess wealth, because some things he can do, as Bruce Wayne, will go a long way to help prevent creating problems that he, as Batman, will eventually have to deal with. It always reads as Bruce Wayne wants to eventually have a city that is thriving, prosperous, and safe enough that it won't need a Batman to protect it anymore. It is all just really good storytelling, and maybe we're overanalyzing it. I dunno. My childhood Batman (Kevin Conroy) died recently, so I might be a little emotional on the subject.
So according to u petty crime is murder and battery after all the thiefs he gooes after do it at gun point or knife and use violent means this feels more like someone trying to be a contrarian especially ignoring how he funds multiple orphanages and charities and ignoring how violent his city is i remember in one of the comic him talking about how a women was beaten to death for her purse he uses fear because the debuff fear gives ppl and u will think twice to do crime is a supernatural fear is looming around the corner also hes fought the elite the court of owl was a who arc of it the penguin bane a cartel leader a evil rich and bruce wayne cleans up the city he fixes by donating u know batman is Bruce wayne also quoting smart ppl or studies doesnt mean ur right
2:00 - this is how every superhero works. They never go for root cuase of petty crime - they just adress symptoms. Also corruption is not directly violent crime so it requires different approach. Badtman wouldn't fight much physically (what people want to see in a superhero media), he would have to gather evidence, fight legal battles and rally people. It sounds like interesting idea for spin-off, but as main pass-time of superhero it would just be boring.
You clearly have not watched the whole of Batman video media, read the comics or consumed Batman as a whole. This is untrue. Batman has consistently fought against the wealthy corrupt elites. From crime families, the court of owls and the take down of connected criminals like the Penguin. Batman is the world’s greatest detective and tends to work from the bottom up. He starts with petty thugs and invokes fear to the top.
Thing is batman does do all of that, he has to make a case first and provide evidence. He’s called the worlds greatest detective and detective work isn’t easy or fast and they can take months of reading, factchecking, and researching to create a case for the criminals he puts in jail. If you’ve read any story of Batman you’d find this out easily
But in comics in shows and in some movies Batman as Bruce Wayne actively trying to make Gotham a better place for all citizens by supporting candidates that could help get crime down even giving funds to shelters and as Batman he fights courupt elites, crime lords, and bad cops by taking evidence then give them to the right people so doing those things does not mean Batman hates the poor.
He has taken down some white color crime. Like the origin story of Mr. Freeze in "Batman The Animated Series"🤔, but you're right about how class is viewed😔.
"Everything about this mugger is evil, including his class." [Citation needed] It's going to depend heavily on the incarnation interpretation of the character, but at his core, the inspiration of Batman is Zorro, the quintessential class traitor and champion of the working class.
I'm surpriced that this hasn't been disliked a lot more. Most of top comments are ones that disagree with her statement or just see a lot of holes in her argument.
A running motif in the Batman series is the fact most of the characters are suffering from mental issues. Clayface has been shown with DID. Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy grow a sense of misanthropy. Calendar Man, Zsasz, and the Riddler have obsessive tendencies. Even the Joke, depending on which version, is created by trauma (and maybe some chemicals). Even accredited psychologists like Strange, Crane, and Harley, who should understand their own issues better, fall victim. Bruce, however, has money, and thus is able to both exercise his trauma and use it to motivate himself to travel the world, learning beneficial techniques to combat his trauma, like meditation, martial arts, and observation. In essence, what is a disability for others is a strength to Bruce solely because he's rich enough to turn it into such.
And Black Mask, the Falcones, Lady Vic, Ra's Al Ghul, and Queen Bee, and the Royal Flush Gang, and Lynx, Lex Luthor on occasion, GCPD on occasion, and literally almost all of Gotham's Elite, and-
I actually thought you were going to talk about how Batman focuses on the crazy maniacs instead of the disenfranchised and their problems. Poor folks steal from the less poor etc. like ignoring them in a sense. You always make good videos and have interesting talking points, your interpretation of Batman as a reflection of classism is insightful. I partially feel the reason Batman goes after petty criminals is because petty crime offers up events for content of a comic. He's a crime fighter so story writers will have him fight petty criminals as a device. You can also say that different interpretations of batman will better fit that concept than others. Like Frank Miller's depiction of batman would probably fit what you're saying to a T. I feel like a really good batman comic could be made with the ideas you're presenting here.
I'm a cop and the problem with "crimes of the poor" they are far easier to catch and understand. You take something without paying or asking? Theft. You used a weapon or threaten someone with a weapon? Robbery. Fraud? OK I got to figure out this spread sheet for the report, the bank is willing to help but needs a subpoena to cover their butts... Wait this guy is probably doing this out of state? At the end of the day it's easier to get your head around a mugging than a fraud that can be borderline legal or needs a literal mountain of paper to prove.
I find it really amusing that you've made videos about David Dobrik, Elon Musk, as well as Cults, Corrupt Actors, and tik-tockers. Yet your most controversial video is about batman. Absolutely love it, keep it up
She did research in those videos, and didn’t talk off the cuff bullshit. If those other videos were bad, they would have been received as such. It isn’t as quirky of a situation as you are acting like it is, weirdo.
I agree with this. I don't think that Batman should ever strike below organized crime. It should be from there on up to the super villains, but never the petty crime. And even still, Bruce Wayne could do more of a structural change than Batman's chip damage, by lobbying for just laws for the people, using the same power, money, and influence, that corporations use everyday to benefit themselves (charity is just a patch, it can never be and end on itself, just like social welfare). If by his adult age he hasn't learned this, he's sort of a man child. One than can beat you to an inch of your life, but a man child nontheless. Actually, what a great arc would be of Bruce coming to terms with this. Batman doesn't get killed, he just ceases to exist.
2:00 or maybe, you know, he goes after the violent dangerous crime that is more likely to end in the death of a victim and that he can actually do something about.
Honestly, when i grow up in poor neighborhood i care much more about people robb me, then some white collar crimes. Maybe i hate poor people too, but i would prefer my city have batman then additional hundred of IRS agents.
While I may not fully agree with the thesis of this video, I definitely see that there is some merit to that argument. When I think of Daredevil, who also dresses to induce fear and fights crime during the night, I have no problem believing that he'll always go out of his way to protect the little guy and would not hesitate to fight corruption among the elites. Though not impossible, I do have a harder time defending that Batman will always do the same.
There are very funny comedic animated shorts from "Dorkly" with exactly that premise that I highly recommend: ( I searched 30 min for this. It's worth a watch, I promise!) "Batman Isn't Really Tragic At All" & "Batman is the 1%" PS: I seems that I can't post links, that's why there are the titles of the videos.
All the people arguing here that he DOES SOMETIMES fight white collar crime and the mob :):) Yes, that's true. But what is the most iconic Batman introduction technique? Open on the thieves stealing some TVs, pan up to the Caped Crusader who pounces and loosens some of their teeth. Batman is a fascinating character, but he's absolutely a supercop.
I have a pretty similar, but at the same time opposite theory about Daredevil being conservative. If you really thought about what he does in his main story arc (I'm talking strictly about the Netflix TV show), you can see that he was a true catholic who fights the social progressive crime lord that wants to make Hell's Kitchen a better place(as he understands it).
Batman really needs to start paying his taxes like how does he have money to afford all this and why does he not pay for Gotham Asylum to make Joker not escape. Or give the money to the poor so they can choose what they do with the money
Honestly I see where you’re coming from. Yes it’s good that Batman fights crime in the streets but I have noticed two things. 1. It’s true he doesn’t tackle the bigger menace(massive powerful politicians with very shady connections). These politicians cause constant problems for Gotham and Batman rarely takes down these guys(only takes down the kooks in costumes). 2. He keeps on saving his super villains(joker for example). Now I’m not saying he has to snap every single criminals neck but dude if the villain is about to fall, LET HIM FALL! Or at least give enough evidence to the police department(so that way villains like two-face can get the death penalty). Batman’s ridiculous code has gotten a lot of civilians killed and his own family nearly killed(or permanently scarred).
Ignorant comment. There’s literally tons of storylines where Batman goes after the mafia and corrupt politicians of Gotham and most of bud rogues gallery like penguin and Ras al Ghul for example are part of the elite. Do research before making points
Poverty is correlated with crime but its not causal. In fact its likely crime causes poverty but not the other way around. The criminals batman beats up are a very very small percentage of repeat offenders who do the vast majority of the crime. He's doing everyone a service by taking out of commission those who wreak havoc on the poor communities.
Batman IX, this time he manufactures electric cars (🦇 bat mobiles ⚡) and buys a social media platform to control the narrative while he tries to dominate the world.
I can't agree with the "system raises us this way" because most people have parents who teach...or should teach kindness. Often movies, books and other media teach us that. You forget the "nurturing" part of a human. Why are there social programs and people both in an office and on the streets trying to combat the problem? I do, however, agree that, even according to the Internet statistics - most people IN THE USA care and follow celebrity gossip. On the other hand that is not the case for every other country. You should know that culture is a variable which affects the results!!
I'm a Batman hater and this is categorically untrue. I guess I get what you were trying to do but Batman is probably not the best vehicle to talk about this.
I disagree, batman is often seen going against the rich and elite of gotham, when shown going after thieves and smaller criminals most of them are usually a part of a gang which is operated directly by super villains such as joker and penguin. It's also noted several times that in gotham thieves and small time crooks are also murderers which links to batmans origin story as his parents too were killed by a small time crook. Also the main reason he is shown fighting smaller crooks during the start or end of comic books and movies is because targeting larger organizations and super villains takes time, even during long arcs of investigation he is seen protecting the streets of gotham while alfred does some research.
Good vid but imma disagree he rebuilt Gotham after No Man’s Land and entire City blocks. Gotham has buildings fitted for Kaiju defense which they needed. The Wayne foundation literally props up Gotham. There’s comics of him literally handing out money to poor people. The Wayne foundation hires petty criminals to help rehabilitate them. He took down the mob and has two deal with 2 secret societies, Court of Owls and League of Assassins. Less Twitter more comics, not accurate or encompassing anything actually occurs. Since he lost his wealth in Rebirth, Gotham got significantly worse. Gotham is a failed city with a significant gap in classes and Bruce is the only billionaire helping them both as himself and Batman
Well the video makes sense if batman would exist in real life. But batman was concepted as a superhero thaz physically fightes crime. While some newer batman stories adress this issue that the root of crime is often found at the people who have money and power, at the core batman stories follow the crime fighter formular. Just because it is a much more entertaining to see a superhero beat up a supervillain then him, then them searching for proof of tax evasion at a generic rich guy.
I disagree with the Batman portion of the video since Batman does fight Gotham's elite and wealthy and helps the city in other ways besides fighting criminals, but there's no denying that he's still the same dude who leads children into a life of never-ending war against crime instead of helping them get a life away from crime. Double standards will always exist, but we do have the choice not to take part into them. It's disgusting that we make movies or Netflix shows about the criminals we found entertaining or even that we agree with but find those who commit crime for need rather than personal gain or mental illness _beneath us_ and unnaceptable.
You just want the engagement with this hot take, you did not researched well for this video. This video clearly has more comments than most of your other videos with more views than this.
Its really funny that the only comments that got any likes were ones agreeing with you and not the valid criticisms that highlight your clear lack of understanding as to why so many people love Batman, myself included.
I am ready for the controversy. Arguing strongly encouraged.
Did you deliberately pick a controversial video so people will argue in the comments and thus you get a bunch of engagement.
If so well played.
lol this isn't even a hot take anymore lol alot of comedian already made this joke
@pounb No. Time for vengeance, time for justice
@@Nihilakh4life If you think so you clearly misunderstand the whole point. She knows that her point is controversial so she wants to encourage the audience to engage in discourse with different opinions.
If you're looking for a hero that goes after the upper class people you are talking about I'd recommend taking a look at the Green Arrow
Amazing how many times people keep saying this without picking up a single comic book. Also do the court of owls and lex luther not exist as villains anymore?
There's an episode of BTAS where Bruce Wayne fights his shareholders to allow his company to sell pharmaceuticals at production cost. There's another one where he personally helps rehabilitate the Ventriloquist by paying for his housing/amenities and setting him up with a well paying job straight out of prison. There's another one where Harley Quinn gets out of Arkham and Batman spends the whole episode compassionately trying to help her operate in the real world and stop self-sabotaging and getting arrested again. That's only a few episodes of the animated show. That's not counting other episodes, other shows, and of course an insane amount of examples from the comics. No disrespect to Donna here, but this seems like yet another instance of someone who only has a surface level understanding of the character and his source material, have this "groundbreaking revelation" that Batman hates poor people, even though he's been shown fighting the system at the top level and bottom level for decades at this point.
The scene where Harley tries to go shopping with her hyenas on roller skates and doesn't understand she has to pay for the dress so she gets chased for stealing is a favorite of mine. It was honestly sweet to see her giving an earnest shot at going straight but in the end she decided she just didn't fit in because she didn't understand or like all the rules. Anyway you're correct I remember batman was there trying to help her the whole episode
Not once have you mentioned the Penguin, who is a corrupt rich villain often depicted as an elite figure of Gotham.
Especially in The Batman (2022) where the Penguin runs a nightclub as a front for money laundering through legal loopholes.
Batman does not discriminate crime based on wealth, he doesn't go after the most elite to stop the corruption as Gotham is riddled with criminals that are constantly threatening public safety and are more likely to reek chaos in the city than a business person who may be cheating the system unless they are highering ruffians to attack the innocent.
The problem is, Gotham is riddled with crimes bcuz the system in Gotham is problematic in the first place
@@enterurnamehere27 Well Gotham is also literally cursed too so there is that.
@@enterurnamehere27batman’s company (wayne) invests a lot of money in the social causes
She uses The Batman as example of Batman not targeting the rich and corrupt, when the entire plot of that movie is Batman actively trying to out corrupt politicians
Yeah but Batman doesn't target the rich and corrupt in "The Batman." The Riddler does. Batman's goal is to stop the Riddler and he only finds out about the rich and corrupt criminals as a result of following the Riddler's clues. He tries to save the rich and corrupt criminal that the Riddler horrifically strapped to a bomb. He stops Catwoman from killing another rich and powerful criminal. This is highlighted by the fact that once he goes as Bruce Wayne to the rich and corrupt criminal club, he's immediately let in and treated as a welcome guest. When the Riddler says that he thought they were on the same side, Batman says he's insane.
I mean, the movie seems to be subtly critical of Batman as a person because of this. But Batman, himself, not targeting the rich and corrupt is very much the point of the movie. The character who is targeting the rich and corrupt is the crazy maniac villain. So I'd say that "the Batman" movie is actually one really good example of Batman as a character ignoring rich criminals and beating up poor criminals--even moreso than other movies and the comics.
The comics try to balance it out with mentions of him donating to charity, iirc. Because he's still supposed to be an aspirational person--good at heart and charming to people around him when he cares to be. But the Batman in the latest movie is written to be a broken down bastard shut in whose actions aren't necessarily right at any given moment, and who decides to change his ways at the end.
@@JC-uv3xd you're definitely right in all of this, but his arc is that as he this, he shifts his focus to Falcone and Penguin and the like. He didn't start there, but he got to "I have to become more" by the end of the movie. Sure, his main target is still Riddler, but that's because he's a killer, and regardless of the corruption of those he kills, he's still killing. And by the end, Riddler floods Gotham, which was only ever going to hurt the poor and the average man. And it's because of all of this, along with the words of the mayor and of Selina, that Bruce realizes that he has to go higher than random thugs in the streets. On another note, the only people he punches in the entire movie who aren't rich criminals or working for rich criminals are the gang at the beginning and the riddler goons at the end. All of whom were either committing violent acts for the sake of it or perpetuating the violent plans of a madman. In the end, he learned, and he acted on what he learned. And there's not a doubt in my mind that the sequel will further that arc. Bruce Wayne, in comics, animation, and film, has always been a man who uses his wealth to benefit his city and others. Be it charity donations, public orphanages and hospitals, homeless shelters and housing, employment drives, donations to schools, or even just straight up rebuilding the city. And that's just a few examples. The point of Batman isn't to punish the poor. It's to highly the schism between the poor and the rich and to show what the more fortunate among us can do for those who have less than they do. It's also just cool to see Batman do his thing. I could go on and on even more than I already have on this, but I can't help but see this whole thing as surface-level analysis at best.
@@ChildlikeMan late comment but I think that's precisely the point... All of the movie is about how the system and the corruption of the city it's what completely deluting and fucking up the city... then at the end, the people who are actively saying that decide to murder a bunch of people and flood the whole city because reasons.
Generally speaking, these type of blockbusters do that with the heroe / villain dynamic. Do a lot of theatrics about meaning and societal problems and questioning the heroe's morals and ideals, do then... nuke the entire idea because the villains who are the ones opposing the system, bomb a hospital full of children because "it's about the message" or whatever.
@juan95194 crazy that you comment on this now because I was literally thinking about my comment on here earlier today.
Cobblepot was an elitist of Gotham just like Wayne and even climbs his way back into the upper echelons of Gothams society a few times. Harvey Dent was a lawyer. Jonathan Crane was a psychologist. Victor Fries was a cryogenics expert and Dr.Langstrom was a scientist trying to cure deafness in humanity. And Batman started off by going after the Mob in Gotham. Carmine Falcone was one of the richest people in the city and Sionis was not poor by any means. Hugo Strange, also a pretty wealthy guy with the financial backing of the government. Ra's Al Ghul probably didn't care about money at all but he definitely has it since he has his own private jet. And Thomas Elliot was born into a wealthy family just like Wayne. His first crime was murdering his father and attempted murdering of his mother because he wanted his inheritance. I just don't believe Batman targets anyone based on their income.
Excellent comment.
Also worth pointing out, Batman’s allies, both in the batfamily and stuff like the justice league, come from both rich and poor backgrounds. Heck, you could argue Bruce has more of a soft spot for people who are poor, most of the robins and batgirls he’s trained came from either poor or middle class families, with the only one that might be in an iffy position is Barbara Gordon, and that’s just because it’s hard to assume her father isn’t at least getting a fair paycheck working for the police in Gotham.
I don't think you guys actually understand the point here. The actual problem came with the sources of these corruptions itself, the problem relies on the system, which is the source of the problems
You're listing violent criminals there, not white collar ones.
@@enterurnamehere27 I'm having a hard time believing that you're serious right now. Let me just help ya out...the title asserts that Batman hates poor people. If that were true that's all he would ever target and he wouldn't just target criminals. I watched the video, I understand her points just fine and for the most part I agree. I don't agree Batman should be beating up politicians and elitists because they exploit legal loopholes in a corrupt system, that would probably look really bad for Batman. Other than that I don't think I had any issues with what she was actually saying. But the assertion that Batman hates poor people is indeed wrong.
I finished the video, and I'm already noticing some issues. Batman does target white collar crime and does go after corrupt politicians. The GCPD being corrupt and the politicians being in bed with the mob is pretty well known. It's why he admires Jim Gordon for trying to do the right thing. We see this in Batman Year One. It doesn't get as much play in the movies because the movies tend to be more action focused while white collar crime is more about investigations in finances. I know your intentions with the video was to use Batman as a gateway topic to talk about real people feeling disgusted with poor people and how we handle white collar crime, but I don't personally feel like this was the best jumping off point when it requires one to agree with a false point about the character.
I feel like the video could have done more to talk about this concept of a phobia of the poor and how classism works especially in terms with race and gender (there are debates over if rich black people are more or less privileged than poor white people for example). Overall, I give the video a C+ if I had to give it a grade. You got me to click on it by the title (I'm already a subscriber, so that's how I saw it), but it left me with not much to work with.
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This comment right here 🤌🏻
My thoughts exactly. 🙂
Thank you for your eloquence!
If she got you click on the video and finish watching it, she got an A for youtubing.
Exactly. Interesting topic but Batman just wasn’t the right example for it. Even Batman has moments when he fought the corruption from the wealthy elites.
I’m going to give this video a chance but this point has been debunked a lot. Like, he’ll try to uplift them all the time and something stupid always comes back to derail him.
Video hasn't even been out for more than 5 minutes and you haven't even finished it 🤨
@@slapmeelmo2411read the start of my comment thank you god bless.
@@slapmeelmo2411that's why they said they're gonna give it a chance
I was disappointed personally.
@@its_eisbro did you not read his comment lmao
So... according to you Batman "doesn't fight the elite"... except when he literally has an entire storyline about fighting a secret society that runs Gotham from the shadows... or the countless times he fights the Gotham mafia or corruption in politics and police, also yeah, Batman goes more after big villains than street robbers, that's just a twitter argument that people take from 3 scenes in every movie.
Hola Termina, que chistoso que justo también ando viendo el vídeo :D
The whole second half of the video could of just been the whole topic for this video, Batman was needed to make this video what it was imo. He's not a good example to use.
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fighting a secret society is one thing. But fighting the non secret very prominent cooperations that robb the poor LEGALLY... that's something else.... which he doesnt do. Yeah he fights some times corruption in politics and police but lets be honest, he never fought the actual root of the problems he fights. Only the effects not the cause... which kinda shows that he either doesnt really care or hes really fcking stupid...
Evidence of that can literally be seen if you look at every single piece of media he has appeared in. It doesnt end. Why? If he's fighting the elite, corruption and... secret societies, why doesnt it get better? Or at least why arent there less evil guys? They just come back and get worse every time. Either he's really bad at his job and to stupid to understand that whatever he does doesnt work or he just doesnt care...
@@Anonymous-vr6ph in the comics at least Gotham is canonically cursed
this topic has been done to death and honestly anyone whos been paying attention knows that several writers have address this over the last 30 years. theres really nothing to argue here, the thesis just isnt true at this point. I do appreiciate the underlying point tho.
This is what happens when people who don't read comic books try to criticize them.
I appreciate the message of the video but batman doesn't disproportionately effect the poor he establishes public projects to assist the poor and gives job opportunities to the less fortunate.
He spends most of the time fighting lunatics and super powered characters, not guys stealing tvs
He is not fighting capitalism
That's what I think should be the focus here. The issue is less about Batman "punching down" and more about how he treats crime as a problem of the individual.
To evolve into a better hero, Batman needs to recognize the contradictions of class and fight systemic issues; he needs to renounce and fight against his own class.
@@G0TIMAN i guess you dont read the comics then
@@arechikitsune he does? How?
@@G0TIMAN it’s better if I point you towards some issues. Oh and I know the points are like hard drilled in the writing and the writers are relying more on the reader to read between the lines in some cases.
Year one, cult, court of the owls run, I forgot the issue but it came out in 2011 or 2012 and it shows the most detailed description of how Bruce takes a two front attack approach.
Keep in mind that Bruce only priority is Gotham city not the whole USA. So he’s really trying to push Gotham out of a capitalist mindset and more into a social one. But he has stated that it will take a long time because of the immense corruption. Decades and in universe they always state he has been doing this for 10 or 20 years depending on the retcons. He knows he will probably die before seeing it which is why the bat family will continue his fight.
I don't know, Batman has many flaws (specially in the mental aspect) but I don't think this is one of them, it feels more like a description of The Comedian. Still an interesting topic tho.
He is a billionaire who goes around besting up poor people. He could end poverty with his wealth and still be rich, and getting rid of poverty would get rid of most of the survival tactics we currently classify as crime.
@@justinwatson1510 Kind of reductionsit statement
@@justinwatson1510 Oh yes, the immortal eco-terrorist, the owner of a night club who is also a crime lord, the district attorney with half burnt face and a secret society that exists since colonial times. Classic examples of the Gotham working class, how dares Batman beat those poor people up
@@zoo8985 kind of a pointless critique. In the real world, most crime is committed out of need. Poor people didn't send jobs overseas to cheaper markets, but they have to find a way to survive in a world that requires money to exchange for basic needs and a completely gutted welfare system. Poor people didn't crominalize mental illness, and they didn't create the private prison system that introduced a financial motive to incarcerate people. The world we live in was completely designed by rich people, and that's why it sucks.
@@justinwatson1510 Don't you think he tries? Talking about the comic Batman, but he participates in a lot of of charities and the Wayne Enterprises is the best company you can possible work, the problem comes from Gotham's corruption, the city is rot and every other place also is, he can't "end poverty" if the other big guys don't want that
That's the whole point of his character, one man trying to save people during day and night
1. So you mentioned canon but you never mentioned how the Waynes have set up a charity.
In the comics, Wayne Enterprises is the bedrock for the city and has numerous charities that support the poor.
2. The corruption in the city is what Batman usually fights against. Gotham is literally rated as the worst crime capital of America because of the huge wealth disparity and corruption. Mobsters like the Penguin run the city who Batman fights against.
3. This in between all the crazy murderous villains that he fights everyday.
Poison Ivy trying to genocide Gothamites
Scarecrow and Joker poisoning the water supply
Riddler planting bombs around the city
a pyromaniac firefly setting the city on fire
a cannibalous human crocodile hybrid in the sewers
multiple serial killers
joke villains that run around causing mayhem
an illuminati-lite organization that has been corrupting the city since its founding
an insane asylum that is pretty much an open door given the number of outbreaks.
There really isn't much time to fight muggers between all this.
Honestly the city is a hellhole. (No literally in one iteration there is a giant demon underneath Gotham that's causing this madness). The situation in Gotham can never improve or only temporarily improve because its comics. The plot needs to continue and there must always be trouble.
Gotham is a cesspool of criminality, corruption, and desperation and Batman is one of the few people who would never give up on the city. In that respect, I think that's admirable & between all the scholarships, charities, and government lobbying on behalf of the citizens of Gotham, i don't think he hates the poor.
That midway twist tho when you realize this video actually isn't about batman....
Well it's more that batman is used to bring attention to what she wanted to talk about without actually making sure batman should actually be attached to this.
What a wonderful way to attract batman fans and making sure they don't misinterpret your message, by misinterpreting the philosophy behind their favourite character. Yeah, this will go well
1. TECHNICALLY Batman does pay for the damage. According to the statistics it is the super rich pay the most in taxes. Therefore Bruce Wayne’s taxes pay for most of the city's damage
2. The theory of everything is Batman's fault has been explored in the comics with Hugo Strange
I saw the notification and was like.. this is unfortunately not a banger
Unfortunately it costed them a sub
Something I do appreciate the new movie did was that Bruce's elite status is called out a few times, by Catwoman especially, who is a stripper in the iceberg lounge living in grinding poverty. Bruce really does have his morals called into question. Alfred, and the new Gotham Mayor also tell him about this. Batman isn't really the method Gotham needs as much as it is what Bruce feels he needs to change it, because its easy.
"I realize now I've had an effect...but not the one I intended."-Batman,2022
I guess this video only focuses on movie adaptations since if it included the comics many of these points wouldnt fit.
Of course. And in the movie, Batman still does target the white collar criminals, like Colson and Carmine Falcone. He only doesn't kill them because he knows about the damage it would cause not only to himself, but to Gotham. Even after Riddler has killed Falcone, crime and poverty are still rampant in Gotham. Batman's not a savior, but he is still trying to make Gotham better.
I like what you said here about the newer movie, it actually made me interested to see it. But then again, aren’t all bad guys like, “☝️we’re not so different, you and I…” at some point? Lol but I see how this is new.
I think this is the essence of her point. He is trying to make it better, but he’s so biased from both trauma and his classism that he truly believes fighting petty criminals in the street is worth all the time and effort and cutting edge technology he uses to do it. Maybe all of that energy and all of those resources aren’t best used for seeking out low level criminals, ceaselessly supplied by the decline of a city mired in inequality, and expending great effort to engage each of them in hand to hand combat. It seems like, if I’m correct, Donna is saying he’s in a unique position to be pointing all that energy, effort and sheer power at something a little less… obvious. Maybe matching the major force he has behind him with something of equal or similar magnitude, something the cops and the people can’t fight themselves, something they’d actually need his unique skillset to challenge. What stands out to me the most is how advanced his tech is. It’s not unlike how the FBI accessed a stingray to catch a guy filing 30k in false tax returns yet we ain’t got Jack or shit on the billions in rampant financial crimes and antitrust practices happening on Wall Street and in board rooms. 2008 happened and the people behind it are YET AGAIN at the helm of our global economy, screwing around with ppls lives. How the IRS says it’s easier to get wage garnishments or tax liens approved for back taxes if they audit and pursue default judgements against a lower middle class or working class person, bc they are more successful in generating revenue from the people who can’t afford to fight it. So, there are criminals committing major tax crimes stealing way more than the average Joe miscalculates, but since Joe can’t afford to be protected, he’s an easier target for an attack than those who intentionally defraud the government for millions of ill gotten gains every year.
I digress but yoooou get it eat the rich etc etc
I genuinely think the only time Batman has outright fought poor people was Batman: The Cult and that was when a cult leader used the homless population to pull a Bane like a hood 30 years before dark knight rises.
Past that he fights almost exclusively Doctors, crime lords, and the Gotham elite like the court of owls or Simon stagg of Stagg industries.
Hell the first Batman movie has him literally punch a rich white guy to save the poor people.
The only villain I think that’s below the poverty line are the more monsterous ones and probably the mad hatter but he…he’s on the registry no doubt
Batman doesn't push down, he punches back 🤛🦇
Ogh no what an original take, i have not seen this 1000 times. I am sure this will be very original and not what i have heard, read and seen before i am glad this has no mention of batman's charity work or the court of owls or stories of batman targeting low level criminals so he can find their higherups.
And after Joker War? 🤔
Nightwing finished the Parliament of Owls so what is your comic point?
Just listen and enjoy how a narrative is being to raise a good point.
Edit: On that point, Raptor raises points about how Batman hates the poor as well.
@@gHGhej A good video doesn't have to take a character out of context to tell a narrative.
@@batmanfan2005 And a good argument does not blank unfairable facts which you do lol
Bats is a stupidly cannoned character, that does so much and has done so much, it is easy to pick any point to support a case. So unless the Arkham games (RIP Kevin Conroy) are wrong, you punch a lot of poor people. We are done.
@@gHGhej They are not wrong but they are not part of the canon to a great extent so you can't use game play as an argument, we are indeed done here.
@@batmanfan2005 Canon is anything DC officially puts out into the world. The games are canon.
And you cite nothing, no arcs, no themes or anything.
The first part of this video has already been thoroughly debunked by DC fans, as Bruce Wayne is also a philanthropist and actually tries to help people "beneath" him and improve Gotham's material conditions.
The second part makes some pretty good points about classism though.
As good as they are and the fact that they single handedly brought Batman back into the public consciousness and paved the way for the recent superhero movie era, the Nolan batman movies aren't the best to base a critique of the character. Haven't seen The Batman but I doubt it is either. There's just too much short hand and condensing that takes place even in a 2+ hour movie for a 70+ year old character.
One thing to remember is that Batman may stop criminals but he ultimately leaves the penalties and punishment up to the civil government, even if it is ineffective or corrupt. It's the line he won't cross to become judge jury and executioner.
Batman White Knight series is one of prime example which debunk batman hate poor people theory
"Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong"!
It’s videos like these where I wish I can see how many more people Disliked it vs Liked it. 🤣
This is a very interesting topic of discussion of discussion (and controversy, damn you Donna). I think the best versions of Batman are the ones where he does exactly what you describe he doesn't do: go after corruption in the city and attempt to use his Bruce Wayne identity to help. Batman's been around for 80-ish years, and I can't even imagine how many different writers have told Batman stories, so how he uses his wealth and power has shifted so much over time. I think the Telltale Batman video game series does a really nice job of having his beloved parents turn out to be rich assholes who accumulated wealth, and now Bruce has to deal with that legacy
I normally love your videos but this is feeling like a fever dream lmao. I see where you were going but I lost it at Batman vs Jeffrey Epstein
The thing is cannon does matter though , he’s a full blown killer in certain adaptions and even from the Golden age panel you brought up of his origins was when Bruce would straight up shoot criminals .
These are now retconned for a reason so it’s not very fair to use that to judge Batman media as a whole . The man who’d end up adopting two orphans one of which (Jason Todd) was even raised in the slums to drug addicted parents is not the same man who’d kill criminals without a second thought . Not to mention his friend Leslie Thompkins that runs a free clinic for criminals and drug addicts funded by Bruce himself
One thing I like about the batjokes community is that there's so many fanfic writers delving into the classism and ableism in the comics/movies/shows.
Sticking strictly to the Batman we must consider three things: his trauma, his status, and experience as the Batman. His trauma did shape his vew on the petty criminals into them being his primary targets. Because of this trauma he most likely developed tunnel vision while becoming a figure of fear to combat crime. As far as he knew he had to take out every petty criminal who was actually caring out the acts they were ordered ot compelled to do. His status as a rich kid blinded him to why the criminals he fights commit crimes in the first place.
When he began investigating the Riddler killings only then did he realize that he had to go higher than the thugs he fights. He began working up the ladder to take out the bigger fish who are part of the elite. Along side this revelation working with Silena Kyle showed him that she was one of the criminals he would hunt and realized that a lot of those criminals are doing what they're doing just to survive or correct an injustice they experienced.
And then with him being Batman for just a couple years he carried out his nightly patrols not realizing that in the background his actions inspired others to act out in vengeance like he did but on a much more lethal scale. It took him seeing the monster he created to realize he had to be better. He couldn't be "vengeance" if he wanted to fix things. This makes me believe that in the next movie he will use his status as a billionaire and socialite to help the poor and politically combat the elites he can't take on directly as Batman. Whether by using his company to undo the damage that corrupted the system or simply giving to the poor through charity or improving the city itself.
So do I think he hates poor people? No. But he definitely overlooked them. He should've looked to protect rather than to simply fight.
Fr and this is all in one movie and the first 2 seasons of a TBAS.
The entire motivation Batman had in his first few years was to go after the corrupt elite, there’s a great moment in year one where he enters carmine falcones home, and tells every rich elite criminal in there that “from this moment on, none of you are safe” there’s a REASON why he teamed up with Gordon and Dent, it was to take on the mob.
He also has been seen to carry 100s in his belt to give to the poor, he’s also given criminals jobs at Wayne Ent, and he’s been known to donate money to mental health hospitals, he’s been known to offer help to even the worst of his villains, Bruce Wayne knows damn well the root of crime and evil in his city, it’s just not a simple thing to fight.
There’s an ENTIRE story about Batman vs the elite, that being the court of owls, a secret organization of rich criminals in Gotham who run everything.
I'm begging you, read Batman: War On Crime
The white owls. Are they not rich cultists in Gotham? How many rich villains and politicians have he fought?
I'm sick to death of people "wanting to convey a message" picking batman as a reference point or example of whatever issue they are trying to highlight. This only shows that these people consumer only pop culture stuff, and their perception of the issues of the world is limited to the pop culture they consume.
While I agree with the sentiment of this video. I feel like it omits a lot in order to use batman as a vessel to explore corruption in a capitalist society. Yes, some Batman comics depict a deeply damaged person beating up muggers to fulfill some sort of lust for revenge. However, there are so many stories interrogating this and showing Bruce realizing he isn’t going to affect change in a meaningful way by targeting symptoms of a greater sickness. The Batman is literally about him fighting crime-lords and corrupt politicians exploiting a philanthropic program set up by the Waynes. If that’s not white collar, I don’t know what is. I don’t think anyone should have as much money as Bruce Wayne, but so many writers have addressed this. They try to depict him using his privilege to help others through philanthropy and other methods. Is he a false ideal of a rich person, yes, but he is often portrayed as someone using his inherited wealth to protect as many people as possible.
This video isn’t controversial…it like literally just wrong.
This video is hate bait
This is a video made by someone who's entire Batman knowledge comes from the movies and skim reading Wikipedia and fandom. Not once have you ever opened a Batman comic.
I agree with this video but... I would like to point out that Batman is far more complex than a man who beats up poor people. This is more of a surface level description of him.
He is not just Batman, he is also Bruce Wayne, who is the billionaire in charge of Wayne Enterprises. Most of the younger superheroes are financed by Wayne Enterprises. He pays for everything and finances systems and schemes put into place to help Gotham City.
Batman is insane... as in actually insane for choosing to be Batman. This is not something normal people do because of how incredibly unhealthy and toxic it is to be Batman. You need an awful mental state to be Batman. This is why he takes on orphaned kids to be his Robin. It is so they do not turn out to be like him. The first Robin had his parents murdered just like Bruce Wayne, so he was adopted as a son so Bruce can provide him with a support network, which leads Robin to quit being Robin because he moves on and he also realises just how awfully toxic it is to be Batman, so he became Nightwing to step away from the murky Batman life. Nightwing fights the criminals the police cannot get to and he is way less harsh than Batman.
Batman usually is beating up henchmen who get in the way of stopping Batman or the Gotham Police Department from stopping a much larger crime from happening. Other criminals he also hurts are those creating victims to crimes that Batman is able to stop when the Gotham P.D. is too busy. The existence of Batman scares everyone to think twice before committing a crime or organising a crime ring because Batman will take them down.
Gotham City has an unnatural amount of crime, more than our real world, the police are either too scared to handle these crimes or they have their hands full. Batman is there to fill in for the police while at the same time sending a message of fear to everyone else not doing crime so they are less tempted to do bad stuff. Tbh, fear is only temporary so fear eventually fails for the desperate poor people. Batman bruises but he doesn't kill. He makes innocent people feel safer in an awful city.
Batman is *not* needed in our real world but he is absolutely needed in Gotham City and for his planet (for when he joins the Justice League to protect earth from threats that are Avengers Level Threats).
Solid video. I liked. I'm sorry if I came off as a "well ackushally 🤓".
Also the Court of Owls storyline is about Batman fighting white collar crime and corruption, with is something he cannot simply beat up. He basically finds out that the Gotham rich people and the people in positions of power work together to make themselves more powerful while not caring about the poor people.
I love the phrasing of "when he joins the Justice League to protect earth from threats that are Avengers Level Threats"
WE GOT CLICKBAITED
Also Batman DOES go against corrupt white collars, in many iterations as honor to his father's legacy. The whole point of the court of owls is to show how he fights the people in power.
I think this is kind of an issue pf different versions of the character--some versions of Batman will have him take down the rich, or give to the poor, etc. But others want him to be an edgy badass who is all grit and violence and no compassion.
Now, I have to say--I don't think it actually matters one way or another. The overall framing of the situation--billionaire goes around and beats up muggers and people who escaped from a mental asylum--is one that is going to overshadow any action an individual Batman interpretation tries to do against the rich or for the poor. Especially if you're talking about how the broad strokes get interpreted by mainstream culture outside of the context of the comics.
One comic book might write Batman taking down the rich and helping the poor. But if you take out those actions and write version of him who only beats up the poor, he's still recognizable as Batman to general audiences.
The charity is not essential for Batman to be Batman. The beating up muggers on the street stuff is.
This is definitely a hot take, and I disagree with the premise. Batman is a fictional story that has to have progressive arcs. He always starts off fighting Gotham's criminal underbelly, the burglars, muggers, rapists, gangs, etc., because those are all types of thugs that the audience knows roam the streets at night. Then, Batman finds a clue, that leads to another crime, that leads to another clue, that eventually puts him in the Batcave, on the Batcomputer, searching through bank records, offshore accounts, and private island flight records, until the "Greatest Detective" uncovers a sinister plot, orchestrated by some mob boss, a politician, an evil corporate CEO, or a supervillain.
And then there's Bruce Wayne, the careful philanthropist. He's always donating money and getting involved with charities. He tries to do good with his excess wealth, because some things he can do, as Bruce Wayne, will go a long way to help prevent creating problems that he, as Batman, will eventually have to deal with. It always reads as Bruce Wayne wants to eventually have a city that is thriving, prosperous, and safe enough that it won't need a Batman to protect it anymore.
It is all just really good storytelling, and maybe we're overanalyzing it. I dunno. My childhood Batman (Kevin Conroy) died recently, so I might be a little emotional on the subject.
Also, did anyone else think that Alter Ego Donna was about to sell us on Established Titles?
I think in batman inc comic it said that Bruce Wayne does have/do charities, orphanages, non profit, and train heroes out side gotham.
So according to u petty crime is murder and battery after all the thiefs he gooes after do it at gun point or knife and use violent means this feels more like someone trying to be a contrarian especially ignoring how he funds multiple orphanages and charities and ignoring how violent his city is i remember in one of the comic him talking about how a women was beaten to death for her purse he uses fear because the debuff fear gives ppl and u will think twice to do crime is a supernatural fear is looming around the corner also hes fought the elite the court of owl was a who arc of it the penguin bane a cartel leader a evil rich and bruce wayne cleans up the city he fixes by donating u know batman is Bruce wayne also quoting smart ppl or studies doesnt mean ur right
2:00 - this is how every superhero works. They never go for root cuase of petty crime - they just adress symptoms. Also corruption is not directly violent crime so it requires different approach.
Badtman wouldn't fight much physically (what people want to see in a superhero media), he would have to gather evidence, fight legal battles and rally people.
It sounds like interesting idea for spin-off, but as main pass-time of superhero it would just be boring.
You clearly have not watched the whole of Batman video media, read the comics or consumed Batman as a whole. This is untrue. Batman has consistently fought against the wealthy corrupt elites. From crime families, the court of owls and the take down of connected criminals like the Penguin. Batman is the world’s greatest detective and tends to work from the bottom up. He starts with petty thugs and invokes fear to the top.
bro i ain't part of the batman fandom but looking at the comments, you got the whole squad angry lmao
Thing is batman does do all of that, he has to make a case first and provide evidence. He’s called the worlds greatest detective and detective work isn’t easy or fast and they can take months of reading, factchecking, and researching to create a case for the criminals he puts in jail. If you’ve read any story of Batman you’d find this out easily
Also a mugger literally killed his parents at point blank range in an ally in front of him. Maybe he hates muggers because of that big piece of info 😂
I have a 2022 batmobile hotwheels
Someone forgets the fact that Batman also goes against multiple times against the mafia, corrupted officials and the elite
Whatcha talkin' about?
But in comics in shows and in some movies Batman as Bruce Wayne actively trying to make Gotham a better place for all citizens by supporting candidates that could help get crime down even giving funds to shelters and as Batman he fights courupt elites, crime lords, and bad cops by taking evidence then give them to the right people so doing those things does not mean Batman hates the poor.
The reason I like batman is BECAUSE of the villians
He has taken down some white color crime. Like the origin story of Mr. Freeze in "Batman The Animated Series"🤔, but you're right about how class is viewed😔.
Even the poor hate the poor, imagine the rich. 😁
"Everything about this mugger is evil, including his class." [Citation needed]
It's going to depend heavily on the incarnation interpretation of the character, but at his core, the inspiration of Batman is Zorro, the quintessential class traitor and champion of the working class.
I'm surpriced that this hasn't been disliked a lot more. Most of top comments are ones that disagree with her statement or just see a lot of holes in her argument.
A running motif in the Batman series is the fact most of the characters are suffering from mental issues. Clayface has been shown with DID. Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy grow a sense of misanthropy. Calendar Man, Zsasz, and the Riddler have obsessive tendencies. Even the Joke, depending on which version, is created by trauma (and maybe some chemicals). Even accredited psychologists like Strange, Crane, and Harley, who should understand their own issues better, fall victim. Bruce, however, has money, and thus is able to both exercise his trauma and use it to motivate himself to travel the world, learning beneficial techniques to combat his trauma, like meditation, martial arts, and observation. In essence, what is a disability for others is a strength to Bruce solely because he's rich enough to turn it into such.
This was even touched upon by in a comic book where Joker turned sane and he really made sure of his promise to really rid of batman.
Good job Batman, I'm buying all your comics now.
Part of Batman's Character is the futility of his goal. The big bads break out of Arkham and there's always corrupt officials in power
You'd think you'd be talking about Elon Musk the way how many Bat-Fans cape for him.
The Court of Owls would like to have a word with you.
And the penguin as well as the short story ego lol
And Black Mask, the Falcones, Lady Vic, Ra's Al Ghul, and Queen Bee, and the Royal Flush Gang, and Lynx, Lex Luthor on occasion, GCPD on occasion, and literally almost all of Gotham's Elite, and-
I actually thought you were going to talk about how Batman focuses on the crazy maniacs instead of the disenfranchised and their problems. Poor folks steal from the less poor etc. like ignoring them in a sense.
You always make good videos and have interesting talking points, your interpretation of Batman as a reflection of classism is insightful.
I partially feel the reason Batman goes after petty criminals is because petty crime offers up events for content of a comic. He's a crime fighter so story writers will have him fight petty criminals as a device.
You can also say that different interpretations of batman will better fit that concept than others. Like Frank Miller's depiction of batman would probably fit what you're saying to a T.
I feel like a really good batman comic could be made with the ideas you're presenting here.
"I feel like a really good batman comic could be made with the ideas you're presenting here."
people have already made them...just go read
I'm a cop and the problem with "crimes of the poor" they are far easier to catch and understand. You take something without paying or asking? Theft. You used a weapon or threaten someone with a weapon? Robbery. Fraud? OK I got to figure out this spread sheet for the report, the bank is willing to help but needs a subpoena to cover their butts... Wait this guy is probably doing this out of state? At the end of the day it's easier to get your head around a mugging than a fraud that can be borderline legal or needs a literal mountain of paper to prove.
I find it really amusing that you've made videos about David Dobrik, Elon Musk, as well as Cults, Corrupt Actors, and tik-tockers. Yet your most controversial video is about batman. Absolutely love it, keep it up
She did research in those videos, and didn’t talk off the cuff bullshit. If those other videos were bad, they would have been received as such. It isn’t as quirky of a situation as you are acting like it is, weirdo.
I agree with this. I don't think that Batman should ever strike below organized crime. It should be from there on up to the super villains, but never the petty crime. And even still, Bruce Wayne could do more of a structural change than Batman's chip damage, by lobbying for just laws for the people, using the same power, money, and influence, that corporations use everyday to benefit themselves (charity is just a patch, it can never be and end on itself, just like social welfare). If by his adult age he hasn't learned this, he's sort of a man child. One than can beat you to an inch of your life, but a man child nontheless. Actually, what a great arc would be of Bruce coming to terms with this. Batman doesn't get killed, he just ceases to exist.
Can’t blame him. Poor people killed his parents. As a kid my dog was hit by a car and to this day I still hate cars.
this is one of the most funniest titles to a video ive ever seen, ive been laughing for like 5
mins now
2:00 or maybe, you know, he goes after the violent dangerous crime that is more likely to end in the death of a victim and that he can actually do something about.
Honestly, when i grow up in poor neighborhood i care much more about people robb me, then some white collar crimes. Maybe i hate poor people too, but i would prefer my city have batman then additional hundred of IRS agents.
While I may not fully agree with the thesis of this video, I definitely see that there is some merit to that argument. When I think of Daredevil, who also dresses to induce fear and fights crime during the night, I have no problem believing that he'll always go out of his way to protect the little guy and would not hesitate to fight corruption among the elites. Though not impossible, I do have a harder time defending that Batman will always do the same.
There are very funny comedic animated shorts from "Dorkly" with exactly that premise that I highly recommend:
( I searched 30 min for this. It's worth a watch, I promise!)
"Batman Isn't Really Tragic At All" & "Batman is the 1%"
PS: I seems that I can't post links, that's why there are the titles of the videos.
All the people arguing here that he DOES SOMETIMES fight white collar crime and the mob :):) Yes, that's true. But what is the most iconic Batman introduction technique? Open on the thieves stealing some TVs, pan up to the Caped Crusader who pounces and loosens some of their teeth. Batman is a fascinating character, but he's absolutely a supercop.
Ice Poseidon rug pulls 400K from his trusted followers & you call him a marketing genius.....
I have a pretty similar, but at the same time opposite theory about Daredevil being conservative. If you really thought about what he does in his main story arc (I'm talking strictly about the Netflix TV show), you can see that he was a true catholic who fights the social progressive crime lord that wants to make Hell's Kitchen a better place(as he understands it).
Except for kingpin he was zero trouble Harming innocents
He may hate the poor, but i think he would trade all, his money, power, company, batman persona... just to be with his parents one last time.
Batman really needs to start paying his taxes like how does he have money to afford all this and why does he not pay for Gotham Asylum to make Joker not escape. Or give the money to the poor so they can choose what they do with the money
How does Robin feel about the poor?
Honestly I see where you’re coming from. Yes it’s good that Batman fights crime in the streets but I have noticed two things. 1. It’s true he doesn’t tackle the bigger menace(massive powerful politicians with very shady connections). These politicians cause constant problems for Gotham and Batman rarely takes down these guys(only takes down the kooks in costumes). 2. He keeps on saving his super villains(joker for example). Now I’m not saying he has to snap every single criminals neck but dude if the villain is about to fall, LET HIM FALL! Or at least give enough evidence to the police department(so that way villains like two-face can get the death penalty). Batman’s ridiculous code has gotten a lot of civilians killed and his own family nearly killed(or permanently scarred).
Ignorant comment. There’s literally tons of storylines where Batman goes after the mafia and corrupt politicians of Gotham and most of bud rogues gallery like penguin and Ras al Ghul for example are part of the elite. Do research before making points
Seems like there's a lot of misconceptions about superheroes we may not be fully aware of. They're not always as decent as they might appear to be.
Clickbait title. Kinda says it all, to say nothing of the lack of legwork done actually researching stuff to back up said clickbait title.
Poverty is correlated with crime but its not causal. In fact its likely crime causes poverty but not the other way around. The criminals batman beats up are a very very small percentage of repeat offenders who do the vast majority of the crime. He's doing everyone a service by taking out of commission those who wreak havoc on the poor communities.
Although I disagree, this was an interesting perspective I've never thought about. So, thanks :)
Why is this even a topic of discussion?
You do know that Batman isn't real, right?
Batman IX, this time he manufactures electric cars (🦇 bat mobiles ⚡) and buys a social media platform to control the narrative while he tries to dominate the world.
But Batman also fights white collars and works agains the major and other political and powerful people
I can't agree with the "system raises us this way" because most people have parents who teach...or should teach kindness. Often movies, books and other media teach us that.
You forget the "nurturing" part of a human.
Why are there social programs and people both in an office and on the streets trying to combat the problem?
I do, however, agree that, even according to the Internet statistics - most people IN THE USA care and follow celebrity gossip. On the other hand that is not the case for every other country.
You should know that culture is a variable which affects the results!!
I'm a Batman hater and this is categorically untrue. I guess I get what you were trying to do but Batman is probably not the best vehicle to talk about this.
I disagree, batman is often seen going against the rich and elite of gotham, when shown going after thieves and smaller criminals most of them are usually a part of a gang which is operated directly by super villains such as joker and penguin. It's also noted several times that in gotham thieves and small time crooks are also murderers which links to batmans origin story as his parents too were killed by a small time crook. Also the main reason he is shown fighting smaller crooks during the start or end of comic books and movies is because targeting larger organizations and super villains takes time, even during long arcs of investigation he is seen protecting the streets of gotham while alfred does some research.
Good vid but imma disagree he rebuilt Gotham after No Man’s Land and entire City blocks. Gotham has buildings fitted for Kaiju defense which they needed. The Wayne foundation literally props up Gotham. There’s comics of him literally handing out money to poor people. The Wayne foundation hires petty criminals to help rehabilitate them. He took down the mob and has two deal with 2 secret societies, Court of Owls and League of Assassins. Less Twitter more comics, not accurate or encompassing anything actually occurs. Since he lost his wealth in Rebirth, Gotham got significantly worse. Gotham is a failed city with a significant gap in classes and Bruce is the only billionaire helping them both as himself and Batman
Oh boy, here we go! *grabs popcorn*
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-Me squinting to see whether this is a social experiment or some fun side content.
Well the video makes sense if batman would exist in real life. But batman was concepted as a superhero thaz physically fightes crime. While some newer batman stories adress this issue that the root of crime is often found at the people who have money and power, at the core batman stories follow the crime fighter formular. Just because it is a much more entertaining to see a superhero beat up a supervillain then him, then them searching for proof of tax evasion at a generic rich guy.
I disagree with the Batman portion of the video since Batman does fight Gotham's elite and wealthy and helps the city in other ways besides fighting criminals, but there's no denying that he's still the same dude who leads children into a life of never-ending war against crime instead of helping them get a life away from crime.
Double standards will always exist, but we do have the choice not to take part into them. It's disgusting that we make movies or Netflix shows about the criminals we found entertaining or even that we agree with but find those who commit crime for need rather than personal gain or mental illness _beneath us_ and unnaceptable.
You just want the engagement with this hot take, you did not researched well for this video.
This video clearly has more comments than most of your other videos with more views than this.
Yeah, I'm going to unsub chief, this is an insult to their viewers intelligence, i didn't watch this channel to be farmed
So is the next video going to be bait too or?
Probs, going to unsub. Her audiences intelligence is being insulted by being farmed using rage bait
Its really funny that the only comments that got any likes were ones agreeing with you and not the valid criticisms that highlight your clear lack of understanding as to why so many people love Batman, myself included.
One of the top comments is disagreeing with her
your clickbait worked
your message got received
this video was well made
I wish you good luck