Tyson himself, the way he is as we all know, said Ali was the greatest. That's respect. It exists in any sports, and it existed on NBA, but not anymore. Its kind of weird actually.
I would argue its different there was more 99+ rated boxers in their prime healthy in Tysons prime era at least eight legit. More than then Micheal with one Hakem really because the big man did an Aurelian and nerfed the Celtics from having the most dominate sports team ever with several perfect seasons with a Bird, Bias, Lewis, Pearce dynasty and a few other guys. But still he's asking to fight blue collar ballers like Cripple bird, Stockton, the entire bad boys, the pacers, the spurs and more, Micheal isn't the problem you will only face him a few times a year it's the fact your facing real men playing like real men, 80/90s basketball is closer to an arena event then the modern NBA one of those hundreds of "unskilled" guys were going to firm those hands up and make you work for it. I would rather play against Jordan a 99+ more than Stockton every day he might be "easier" but he's the Dustin Poirier of basketball or David Robinson who I'm still convinced is Sargent Johnson the second most powerful charter in halo. Ant doesn't know what he's asking for and looking for smoke in the wrong places, due to the nature of seventh dimensional physics, infinity and the after ant might have to back those words up and it might be at a huge cost lol.
yeah bro should not be talking, after his bad exit against the mavericks, but that's the problem with these new age dudes nowadays. They talk too f##5%% much, they do nothing, but talk. I would respect it if they actually back it up, but this dude is just talking out of his as with nothing to show for it.
Talking is fine if you own up to it and also you're gracious enough to admit when you're wrong but that's just not happening in today's age. Do the talking but can't take the critique...
That's the problem in this day and age. People have no, or close to no, knowledge of a particular subject, yet will confidently throw their 2 cents in and assert it as fact. Dunning kruger has really gotten out of hand.
This exactly like it’s beyond weird. It’s mostly little boy ego but it’s gotten worse because they hide in little bubbles on TikTok and in certain channels on YT too and agree with each other’s embarrassingly ignorant takes. I for one appreciate a well argued point against my arguments, that’s how we learn. That’s why if you ever catch one away from the herd they’re so easy to argue with, they’re clueless except for a few very rare exceptions 😂
@@andrewcook1246 To a lesser degree yeah but I mean it’s sort of obvious you don’t have enough context to say so and I’d guess you’re a young dude being defensive. We didn’t hide out on social media liking each other’s embarrassing takes, we appreciated the wisdom of some of our old heads.
@@andrewcook1246 Did I say that it only happened in this generation mr strawman? Clearly human stupidity is a constant struggle for all homo sapiens, myself included, regardless of the year. My point was that it's getting visibly worse. Ex. 20 years ago if an actor would have got on tv and stated as fact that 1x1=2, they would have been almost univerally mocked. But there are literally millions of people, in this current day and age, that are defending and buying into this and other nonsense. Don't even get me started on flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, etc. And the fact that pretty much everyone has access to the whole of human knowledge at their fingertips, just makes it that much worse. If you're in denial of this, you're in denial of reality, but that's pretty common these days. So I wouldn't be suprised in the least.
@@jubjubhenry5612 I was born in 71. I remember a Jordan-less league so I think I have a little to say about it. There was no social media and videocameras to record every dumb take for the rest of time but believe me the jails were still full of youngins who didn't listen and every barbershop was filled with old people talking all kinds of shit they knew nothing about. The only change is the availability of footage and that the country now has 130million more people than the year I was born in xD.
It's funny because before they say this era is more athletic but when luka and joker dominated they changed it to skills not athleticism, casuals! 😂😂😂😂
You’re laughing at casuals, but there’s nothing more casual than the narrative that Luka and Jokic aren’t “athletic”. There’s a lot more to athleticism than how fast someone runs or how high they jump. Those guys are incredibly athletic with the level of strength and body control they have
@@kingdeedeeJokic definitely isn't athletic 😂😂😂😂and if someone say that some player isn't soo "athletic", he doesn't mean it in general, in general Luka is much more athletic than any other normal person, for normal person it is miracle to be athletic like Luka. But, when you compare him with NBA players, YES, HE IS MY FAVOURITE PLAYER AND GOD DAMN HE IS NOT THAT ATHLETIC LIKE ALL BEST PLAYERS IN THE LRAGUE. He isn't more athletic than Jayson Tatum, Edwards is miles more athletic than him, Ja is also miles more athletic than him, even Lebron at 39 years of age is still faster, stronger and can jump higher than Luka. Abd Jokic is even less athletic than Luka... And in the end of the day, the point isn't if Luka and Jokic are athletic players or not, the point is that they are not dominating the league because of their athleticism, but because THEY ARE EXTREMELY SMART AND SKILLED. Simply their domination doesn't come from their athleticism, no matter the fact if they are considered as athletic or nine athletic players... Athleticism isn't the reason why they dominate the league, it's their IQ and their basketball skills.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 you wrote all that just to prove my point: you don't have even the slightest clue what athleticism actually is. Jokic's ability to hit ridiculous shots in the faces of extremely strong and physical big men defenders in the NBA is not just a matter of him being skilled. He's REALLY REALLY strong and has a deceptive amount of body control for his size. The ability to turn and contort his body to make ridiculous shots under duress requires INSANE physical conditioning. That is raw athleticism. Not to mention Jokic might be one of the best conditioned players in the NBA. Not just considering big men, I really mean everyone. Other players have even said it and Draymond said himself that Jokic is deceptively quick and he struggled to keep up defending him for a whole game. If you watch Luka (your favourite player), look at the way he can dribble the ball against some of the most physical hounding defense you'll ever see and remain composed. Yeah he has a good handle, but the ability to remain upright and stay in control of your direction to get where you wanna go on the court isn't just a matter of how good his ball handling is, it takes insane strength as well. If you wanna just say they they're not fast or explosive, you can definitely say that. But to say these guys aren't athletic? Conditioning, body control and stability and so many other things go into athleticism. There are definitely faster and more explosive players who I would argue are less athletic overall than Luka or Jokic.
@@kingdeedee it's literally skills lmaoo🤣🤣🤣🤣I gues Jokic hitting 3s against Lakers in play offs is also product if his strenght and not the fact that he is skilled 😂🤣😂🤣Jokic's sombor shuffle I guess is also strenght, athletics and not skill😂 you are funny man
@@Hunt9-qb1ifand what's funny is these same folks trashin and down playin the era have no problem rockin throwback jerseys and apparel from that era wearing shoes and other apparel made popular by players who played in that era and constantly want to reboot, remake shows from that era lol like if y'all do done wit the 90's how come you always tryna bite 90's swag??
Being raised with the internet and the wealth of knowledge at their fingertips, this younger generation has zero excuse for being as ignorant as they are. It's also the fault of their parents and grandparents who've enabled them. Ant needs to put the dunce cap on for this one.
At least with Edwards He's young and very dumb but what's LeBron's excuse he says some very boneheaded things also and this man is practically 40 years old
@@alphinmesa-ks7stWhat Lebron ever said that was disrespectful like that ? Lebron was and still is a student of the game, you can see many videos of him giving props to Dr.J or Larry Bird, players who are almost forgotten by this generation so put some respect on Lebron’s name
@@Anthonydu01630 Lebron, and by extension Klutch Sports, are burning down the history of the NBA to prop up Lebron's non-existant GOAT case. Lebron is actively demeaning the legacy of the NBA.
Hakeem Adbul Olajuwon is my favorite C ever. With that said, Nikola Jokić doesn't get his buckets with athletics, he's very cerebral, uses his large frame to seal defenders, and has an assortment of deliveries and angles on his shots that allow him to get them off constantly. I can see Hakeem dominant in the individual match-up, but Joker taking some games with his teams.
😂Jokic, Embiid and Wemby are definitely more skilled than him, they are way better shooter, especially from 3pts, they are much better passer and ball handler and are equally as skilled in the post, face up/triple threat … Then you have guys like KG, Giannis, AD ect who are almost as skilled and can also play the 4 . Hakeem was the original skilled big man, he was elite and is underated but many players todays are more skilled than him, even Lebron played Center in 2022 lol, and i think i don’t need to tell you he is lore skilled than Hakeem who was just an elite post player with elite footwork, but Embiid is 40pounds heavier than him and his moves are as fluid and advanced as Kobe, just watch 5min of highlights and tell me if im wrong 🤷🏾♂️
Witness the unmitigated skill of the modern NBA on full display at 4:40 . Here we have a carry and 4 steps all in one basketball move. If players in the 90's were allowed to take 6 steps, they would also seem more "skilled"
I was thinking the same thing. Not to mention carrying the ball = ball handling skills today. It was a turnover back when the “non-skilled” players played.
When I watch 1990s and older players I always think wow these guys had more skill than today's players because they played with much stricter officiating, they couldn't carry, travel, double dribble, make offensive fouls
We've made being ignorant & saying (or doing) stupid things socially acceptable. People are too afraid to directly call out nonsense to these people for fear of losing access.
We used to respect the modern game & past eras, and nobody ranked anybody. They'd ask MJ if he thinks he's the greatest ever and he'd differ, give respect to past eras and that was it. The NBA has completely lost it's way and alienated the players & fans who grew it to a global brand. I'm so disappointed in Anthony Edwards.
I’m considered Gen Z but my goodness, the lack of ball knowledge from my own generation is astounding and hella disrespectful. I appreciate the greats from before as they set the foundation. The young players should appreciate these older guys being the reason why they’re paid so much. I love Mj, Kobe, Bron, Bird etc. just phenomenal legends who get way too much hate nowadays
@@Is0keem nobody was out here tryna trash older generations before Lebron came around and start doing it…him and clutchsports…now the younger player follow along…
@@chuck1026That’s a straight up lie, find me 1 video of Lebron not respecting the old heads, it’s the other way around fool, the old heads hate on him since fucking 2003 lol, Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, even KG and Pierce before they realized Lebron was really him … Lebron always gave respect to the GOATS, he’s a student of the game why you think he wear number 23 ? Lebron loved MJ, Iverson, Magic, Bird, Dr.J ect so stop spreading lies salty old man
You’re by far the best basketball RUclipsr in the internet. Hands down. Not to be a Jonny Arnett stan but I binge watch your streams. You’re actually about that life. You’re the opposite of a casual fan! Please keep giving us more content.
Does being more “skilled” even matter when player’s nowadays are made of glass, get injured all the time and sit out games because they’re the laziest they’ve ever been?
Oftentimes it seems that when they say players today are more skilled they're mostly referring to dribbling and 3pt shooting. They are correct with the 3pt shooting, but with the dribbling they tend to ignore that much of what they do with the ball today would be called as carrying or traveling barely even 20 years ago. They're allowed to get away with so much more with the ball in their hands compared to years past that it's easy for them to be fooled into thinking they're light years better today.
they are not more skilled. They barely have to drible, they carry the ball, they travel and they double dribble. Basketball is much easier when you barely have to handle the ball. To me it looks clumsier and uglier, but it surely is not more skilled.
@@davidmartinez52420 yes exactly. should have read first. same thoughts. Also, getting better at 3pt shooting is not even that impressive. It's a pefectly trainable skill and obviusly it is exploited nowadays because there is virtually no defense. So obviously between an easy 2pt and an easy 3pt, you go for the three.
The media have been hyping him way too much during the playoffs even comparing him to Kobe and Jordan. All the greats were also humble students of the game and they were not cocky without a mountain of evidence behind their cockiness. They also respected those who paved the way for them.
Edwards just clowned himself. Plain and simple. Earlier he admitted that he didn't watch old school ball and thus isn't qualified to talk about it but just a bit later claims that only MJ had skill. He is talking even though he admitted he should not be. Clown. In a sense Edwards is just a living example of the current day and age basketball pros. They like to talk and share their opinions even though they don't know anything of what they are talking about...And idiots, people who know even less, follow and repeat their words. A living example of social media: everyone can get their voice heard but isn't held accountable of their words.
I’m 58 years old. I watched the NBA avidly for 40 years. But I have quit. The game is not interesting. The players are not interesting. That’s my opinion. There’s a real danger for all fans to say that previous eras and subsequent eras are not as good. Fans have egos just as much as any player. We cannot get caught up in tying our self-worth into an opinion of a time or a player. The game constantly changes in methodology, philosophy, movement, coaching, training, equipment, statistics, franchises, sports medicine, etc. Dolph Schayes does not pass the current eye test, but Anthony Edwards will never retire as the all-time scoring champion. I think it hurts all fans to have a current player denigrate their favorite era of the game. I think we would all love to hear current players say that they are grateful for those who have gone before. Pleased to be part of the legacy, big gun with the first players in the league, handed off to the players during the integration of the league, continued through the downtimes of the competing leagues, brought to new heights during the 80s and 90s, and then being the game, which is the current players viewed through the 2000s. Maybe the players of the 70s looked down upon the players from the 40s and 50s. I wouldn’t know anything about that. I don’t think they had microphones in front of their faces 24/7. I don’t know what Jordan thought about Pistol Pete. I don’t know what Kobe thought about Alex English. I don’t know what Nikola Jokić thinks about Artis Gilmore. I just want current players to be appreciative of what they have. The universe did not begin on the day Ant-man was born.
Jay-Z said in "Family Feud" "No one wins when the family feuds" Old basketball players new basketball players. Stop comparing generations. Great players every decade did something great. Leave it at that
And it should be that simple celebrate the era for what it did and the great players it produced cause if we wanna jus sit here and compare eras and see which eras are better than which other eras will b here all day bec every era was flawed in some way
Ant said MJ is the only skilled player of the 90s so, basically, they'll still be fans of his. It's all the other old school fans of other players that will be dumping on him.
@@MrPhilbautista People who witnessed that era know how ridiculous his claim is. It's not about being an MJ fan, the guy just sounds like a f*cking idiot...and saying that sh*t takes away from all of MJ's accomplishments.
Big fan of everytime you call out fans. Basketball discourse is no longer about talking ball.. its become who can complain about something they don't like.. optimism has left the building.. understanding has left the building.. respect and appreciation, has left the building
Then how did he average 12pts/10reb/1.5ast/1block in the playoffs this year? Also how did he have the highest +/- on the Timberwolves with +95 over 15 playoff games? He also had the highest offensive rating by any player in the league with 137.4 back in 2022? Take your Ginkgo next time grandpa
This is the effect of adam silvers product. New Gen thinks they are miles apart from the OGs because they can freely do whatever on offense nowadays. No handchecking , a lot of missed travel and carrying violations , offense flopping/hunting for fouls like j.harden and the jump shooter landing distance from defenders. I never heard kobe , duncan , shaq , KG disrespect their peers. Just appreciate those that played before you. No need to disrespect them to elevate yourself.
Observation: when people say “skill,” what they really mean is handles and three point shooting. So basically guard functions. What about post play? That’s a skill, right? Apparently not to these fans. It is sad to watch the internet ruin yet another passion of mine 😆
What Anthony Edwards said was ignorant. Hopefully, he uses this as a teaching moment. It's a shame seeing how divise NBA fans have become both young and old.
The old generation was super skilled i wish people thought fr before they spoke, most of ants takes be hilarious but this one was just all the way wrong
The stars? Yes. The average player? No. What I will say is based on the time's rules the amount of skill you could flash was different. But this applies also to previous greats who no one in the 90s praises like Russell, Wilt, etc.
@@andrewcook1246 You're wrong, the average player in the guard-wing position had skill. C is the only position that you have a point due to coaches admitting to not letting them develop outside of 12-15 ft.
Hell yeah!! Just didn’t have the technology to document like nowadays. The stars of each era obviously had the liberty of getting on the screen or radio but the guys that weren’t household names or just star level to near never got the same love. Seen someone say they didn’t know Connie Hawkins was legit a couple days ago. If only technology was like it is now for the guys back then
@@andrewcook1246No they had, you cannot become a professional basketball player without having such skills. I played for twenty years on minor leagues and even those guards had these skills.There were bigs who could only rebound and block, but not the guards. European teams thirty years ago would had taken an NBA guard, who was a 9-12 man on rotation, and he would thrive.
There is no truth to his comment and it’s sad bc I’m a fan of his. The problem is the actual greats who are secure in their greatness commend the current gen of players. Magic, Bird, MJ, Kobe all showed respect and promoted the next gen of greats. Of course there are former average players with their pods making hot takes about this and that. But true greats know what they did, and are secure enough to be respectful and give someone else their due. It’s actually an epidemic in America at this point. Great vid Johnny. God bless you and yours
I would've chosen CJ McCollum, respectfully, at least when I try to make the same argument that Jonny did. CJ has reputable skill for his position, unlike DJJ. Now *that's* a a stray 😂
I follow multiple sports and there is not a fan base out there that is worse than NBA fans, and it's not even close. The lack of knowledge and disrespect is just crazy.
What he meant was a lot less plumbers today. Now, 90% of players can shoot the three and teams set up their offense for the three. There is no room for Greg Kite's or Kurt Rambis, or even Dennis Rodman today.
I would love to see a video against the "Bill Russell a Wilt Chamberlain only succed because they played against plumbers" take. Not many people actually take the time to refute this claims.
When you say that there are a lot of similarities with Jordan I beg to differ. Jordan had an insane competitive drive where Edwards basically faded and quit in game 5 against the Mavs. Jordan did a lot of trashtalking, but not on the sidelines like Edwards. Jordan knew his history and praised those who came before him. Edwards is a dumb, ungrateful, spoiled brat who thinks basketbal started with him. Jordan was gracious in defeat, always shaking hands with the opponent, while Edwards threw chairs and ran to the locker room like his idol LeBron. So I see much more similarities with the latter.
Great video, Jonny! I rolled my eyes when I read Anthony Edwards' comments. I'm glad you speak out against the misinformation. I will repeat something that I have heard many times- history is not made in a vacuum. A great example is how you pointed out about the influence of David Thompson on MJ's game. The past provides a foundation, inspiration, etc. for the present and the future of the game. There needs to be more respect for the history of the game. I agree with you also about how toxic the discourse has gotten (including with fans of previous decades of basketball bashing the NBA today and vice versa). It is too much, and I appreciate your calls for more respectful and genuine dialogue. Happy Friday, Jonny 😊 Hope you have a good weekend!
A lot of great shooters in the Steph Curry era. In the 80s and 90s there were a lot of great post players. Playing with back to the basket and using post moves are valuable skills. MJ era and todays era a lot of skilled players just different specialties
@TiagoGomez-hb9te Mark Aquirre. Alexis English, Andrew Toney. Adrian Dantley. Jack Sikma, Chris Mullin, Rolando Blackmon, Walter Davis, Jeff Malone, Rickey Pierce ect. Do yourself homework young fella
This coming from the guy who said he was going to be "the man" on the Olympic team and did was pulled late game for taking bad shots and too many chances on defense
Another Banger Jonny. My basketball kindred spirit, you are *yoda voice* I, too, was not upset or annoyed at his comments. It actually just made me really sad to hear. I thought about the time when we were kids... and how much we revered and sought out the knowledge of previous generations of basketball players. I know you watched all the tape your pops had.. I wasn't as fortunate so I'd go to my school library and try to find every & any basketball book I could find. Obvi, I never saw guys like Wilt play (there wasn't youtube back then, heck or even NBATV) so I had to read all about him in books. I was fascinated with the stories about the players that my favorite players idolized. That's how I knew who David Thompson was. Bc of reading up on MJ. I begged my mom to buy me the basketball books at the book fair. I must've read em like 1000x, front to back. After this AE Thing, I started thinking back on how when the NBA50 list came out I tried to digest as much as I could and learn about all the greats. Now, these guys openly admit that they don't even watch the previous generations (when all they have to do is a quick youtube search...) It's just disappointing. I don't want to sound like the old guy on the lawn but man. it just sucks to see the lack of appreciation for the guys who made this possible for him... Bird & Magic esp. - basketball GODS. To flat out openly sh*t on them just plain sucks. I hope he educates himself at some point. He's too good and too talented to not even bother. anyway, great content as always. Thanks for keeping this basketball geek entertained as always.
Anthony Edwards isn't even that skilled. Did everyone miss the fact he did about 7+ steps in his 'amazing footwork' move in the Olympics that had Curry glazing him? Most of these guys would double or triple their turnover account from traveling alone if 90s era dribbling rules were enforced.
@@legrandelysee98 This is the fact. The league is as strong as it was in the 00’s, while 90’s only started getting advanced going into ‘97. This doesn’t mean 90’s players are trash or anything but a lot of the solid players back then would be considered role-players.
How come y’all get some up in arms about people “disrespecting history” when history (retired players) do the exact same thing for current players all the time. Who cares what people think about other eras it really doesn’t matter when you can easily research what happened.
If anyone says old-school players didn’t have skills, they’re just ignorant, bro. Today’s NBA players can’t even replicate the most unstoppable shots ever-Kareem’s skyhook and MJ’s fadeaway. So, who’s really lacking skills now?😅
Just to add to this dumb take by Edwards: When he mentioned that when we saw Kobe, we were amazed, indirectly he is also attacking the players who were alongside Kobe's era (Duncan, Iverson, Carter, Wade, Pierce, Allen, Shaq, Dirk, even Lebron). So Edwards just threw a dumpster fire. He has lost tons of respects from the old school and even the 2000s fans. Dumb and ignorant take by someone who has not achieved anything in this sport.
I will say it hurts too! Out of respect to Mr Edwards sir you are authentic and a phenomenal sport! Let’s come together next time (pause) and just be respectful towards older players as you would with your own fathers, mothers, and those before you. There is NO ME WITHOUT THEM! It’s called evolution! We grew from them, we didn’t pop out of the blue ❤️
This is the oldest argument tactic. When you know that your argument is weaker than the one you're arguing against you stop arguing for your side and only attack the other. Even those saying that this is the best basketball has ever been don't believe that.
Everyone knows the greats were "skilled" and could show their greatness in any era, that being said every position today needs to have an offensive "bag" or you gonna get played off the court, people rarely get credit for shining in their role its always "yeah he can do that but why cant he do this?"
This is why the timberwolves will never win a championship but thats the difference in professionalism in Minnesota, only the lynx have won the more recent championships.
I think what you're seeing is the problem with eras no longer being confined by the media they were in. Think about this, in the 90s no body was really talking about the 60s. This is because we weren't able to constantly search out and get highlights from the 60s at will. You basically had to go find old film or be lucky to catch an old game on a classic viewing channel. There wasn't any social media constantly comparing the eras. People talked about what they knew and what they were able to watch which was 90s/80s basketball. Don't get me wrong there were still old heads back in the 90s. There were also people trashing the 60s but it was a minority voice. Now you can't get away from it because it generates tons of revenue.
3:35 That KD smile is an all time great NBA moment. The absolute coolest way to be in that situation. He's genuinely happy for the kid and also knowing that he's still got a long way to go to get to KD's level.
No skill ? Apparently he never heard Of MJ footwork and how copied his moves and carried what he did into 2000s and Hakeem footwork ik Kareem didn’t play in 90s but he had skyhook and you got magic passing skills or Allen Iverson crossover reason like this is why i don’t like modern nba
Unlike america, other countries actually respect and love their past athletes no matter what time they played in. You don't see russian players & fans who was from the soviet union disrespecting their past players like this, but you hear americans do this, you don't hear brazilian & yugoslavia/croatian basketball players & fans talking like this, but you hear americans do this. So this comment is about american, being a ignorant american around other americans. Now let's get this started, the anthony edwards said, that doesn't believe nobody from the 1980s and 90s was skilled, but ask him about street ball who went against michael jordan & ask does he know who the david copperfield of basketball booger smith is & I bet you he doesn't know who is, ask him who micheal ray richardson is & he doesn't know who is he is, ask him who dejan bodiroga is, he won't know who is & mostly because the man does I expected fans & players of today usually do, all talk about the rules and how the game was played & don't really focus on said players or there names, just care about how they play, that's more important than knowing said player & what they did. Also you gonna love that edwards says mj, but even michael jordan wouldn't say anything like this to players from the 1970s of the nba and aba or players from the 1960s when we watching college basketball and wanting to go to north carolina. Mostly probably because these don't truly know how good and luxurious they have it, these black athletes make so much cash today, you can make 500k while being a 2 way player and make millions just while being a bench warmer.
speaking of disrespect…..it’s downright disrespectful that Bob Lanier didn’t make the top 75 list (and the 50 greatest). he’s sooo underrated. and it’s disrespectful that Bobby Jones isn’t talked about more. he’s the greatest defender, we don’t talk about.
If you ask me, there were 4 or 5 others I think should've made the original list: Bob, Artis Gilmore, Bernard King, Dennis Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, and maybe Chris Mullin and Alex English. I'm most confused by Bernard King's omission given that he is so highly regarded by peers and fans alike. I assume it's due to his drug use, ditto for Mullin. Don't know how a guy on the Dream Team wasn't named to the 50 list when literally everyone else was, including the coach who was named to the then 10 greatest coaches list - not to mention that Mullin was ultimately admitted into the HOF.
Mullin also beat his alcoholic issues. I'd say that's one heck of a feat especially for a pro athlete with all that money in their pockets to tempt them.
It should be shocking to absolutely no one that he said this. He has the same mentality that causes oldheads to constantly minimize today's game. They are the same. Stop pretending there's a difference.
One problem I'm seeing with some basketball content creators (not you Johnny) is they base how great a player from yesteryear was solely by stats and highlights. If they actually decided to watch in full old games & read books about those players and history of the NBA, it will allow them to see how great this legends and the impact they left on the sport. I recommend to anyone who's a basketball fan to read the Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons
This reminds me of a discussion I had earlier this year, I think around when the POs were still going on. I'm a 34 years old guy, so I can't say I saw all of Pat Ewing's career live, but I did catch some of his final really good years and as someone who is a beat of a freak of basketball history like jonny, I have watched most of his most important or best games through tape. My discussion was with a guy who's likely around 24-25 years old. He was talking about how Wembanyama would be dominating in the 90s. Up to that point I don't really have that many issues with the comment because I do think Wemby is a freak who would do well in any era... but I really joined (and maybe kinda usurped) the conversation when he said centers could barely play in the 90s (of all positions, he went and choosed centers) with the exception of Olajuwon, saying especifically that Ewing had no skill and could barely dribble the ball. I'm not even a Knicks fan or espefically an Ewing fan, but that did kinda trigger me. I do think Wemby has everything to become a historically better player than Ewing, but trating Ewing as if he was just a big body felt so wrong. Ewing had a ton of skills, and a prime Ewing would absolutely demolish rookie Wemby in the post. Anyways, don't wanna expand much on Wemby vs Ewing, but my point is how even Ewing's game is kinda lost in time since he didn't manage to really win. Thankfully, Olajuwon is still appreciated overall, but Olajuwon is great in great part because of going against guys like Ewing, Alonzo, Admiral, and even guys like Shaq and Kareem. Also makes me wonder what would the general perception be had the Knicks won that Game 7 in 1994 (I mean, I would still think Hakeem is the better player, but would be fun to imagine how things would change because of one single game). Anyways, it's cool to watch Ant, he does have that swag on the court and makes an effort in both sides of the court, but he really, really should've stopped at "I can't speak on it", that would've been so respected, accepted and ultimately correct. If basketball back in the day was so much worse, Lebron would've averaged 40-20-20 in his rookie year or he would be out of the league by now, yet he was a very good rookie (who, btw, didn't win anything for almost 10 years) and can still compete against this generation as a 39 years old man. The way the game has changed a lot, but the talent of the league has pretty much always been there.
I always love to see David Thompson get love!! It’s getting to the point where folks are even forgetting some of MJs inspos like David and Dr.J, Earl “Black Jesus” Monroe
I don't even watched your video... But already gave you the like 👍🏼 and I HAVE to say: these young guns DON'T HAVE A CLUE what they're talking about!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Tbh I kinda feel like the movement of being done with the 90s and the older generations of players being unskilled really originated as pushback. In the past so many analysts, reporters etc. have been quick to dismiss the new generation of players and say they wouldn't survive if they played in the 80s or 90s. I think the young people got so sick of it that they just decided to match it. Doing the same thing many oldheads are doing but the other way around
The game has never been more open than now, and they can all carry, and travel to their hearts content, compared to back in the day... That's enough right there. Sums up this era of ball. Yet they try to call out ball back in the day for not doing the same moves they can now...
Basketball fans will get over this comment from Ant because some other player will say something worse or on the same level and the fans will go to that person 😂 Honestly it’s not a huge deal because it’s a Ant comment that can be over exaggerated or too cocky
this reminded me of Noah Lies saying he didn’t know who Giannis or Jokic were. so you don’t know the two best basketball players in the world and yet you wanna diss them with the whole “world champion of what” debate (considering his antics should be directed at the US media members….you know the ones who say “world champion”).
The NBA is much more skilled today I can only imagine what Kyrie would do in the 70s and 80s. If they thought Jerry west was impressive imagine todays modern day guards
He would be called for traveling almost every time he dribbled. Rules were enforced differently back then and he would have to adjust HIS game, not the other way around. Happened to AI as a rookie.
Context matters. I have been to more places in the US than Lewis and Clark, am I a better explorer? Of course not. I'm able to follow the trails that were made long before I was. Same thing with basketball, were skills more rudimentary in earlier decades, of course, but they didn't have 75 years of game film and analysis to look back on. Therefore, those players are just as great, because they blazed the tails for modern players to follow.
The genuine truth on why discussions like this even originated started from when old heads started trashing the modern era and as a result of this the current era also started trashing on their era which is completely normal
@@youtubeisassho8834 You do realize that I'm not lying right think of it, how Shaq constantly slanders Rudy Gobert or his jealousy towards Jokic, think of when Rasheed Wallace said that Lebron couldn't play in his era even though Lebron pretty much started his career then, Dennis Rodman saying that he would easily lock up Lebron, Charles Oakley saying that Giannis would've been a benchwarmer in his era you really think all these didn't contribute to the modern fans hating that era?
I wholeheartedly agree wit ant's loadmangagement statement, im tryna make it to the league n hopefully if i do i def wouldnt js wanna sit at home or on the bench after i put in all the work to be there like wtf was the point😂
Who would you say was the most skilled player that MJ played against??
Kobe, Hakeem
Magic or Hakeem.
Bird, Larry Joe
Hakeem
In Jordan’s prime, probably Hakeem or Magic
Imagine a boxer saying he didn't watch any of the greats and only Tyson had skill
😭😭😭😭
Ant is a good player but he's dumb asf.
@@dero2430smart enough to pay 100k for that baby vaccum
Tyson himself, the way he is as we all know, said Ali was the greatest. That's respect. It exists in any sports, and it existed on NBA, but not anymore. Its kind of weird actually.
I would argue its different there was more 99+ rated boxers in their prime healthy in Tysons prime era at least eight legit.
More than then Micheal with one Hakem really because the big man did an Aurelian and nerfed the Celtics from having the most dominate sports team ever with several perfect seasons with a Bird, Bias, Lewis, Pearce dynasty and a few other guys.
But still he's asking to fight blue collar ballers like Cripple bird, Stockton, the entire bad boys, the pacers, the spurs and more, Micheal isn't the problem you will only face him a few times a year it's the fact your facing real men playing like real men, 80/90s basketball is closer to an arena event then the modern NBA one of those hundreds of "unskilled" guys were going to firm those hands up and make you work for it.
I would rather play against Jordan a 99+ more than Stockton every day he might be "easier" but he's the Dustin Poirier of basketball or David Robinson who I'm still convinced is Sargent Johnson the second most powerful charter in halo.
Ant doesn't know what he's asking for and looking for smoke in the wrong places, due to the nature of seventh dimensional physics, infinity and the after ant might have to back those words up and it might be at a huge cost lol.
Said the guy who was exhausted at 22 years old running 20 minutes after Kyrie ...
Just when I'm warming up to being a fan of Anthony Edwards 😢
Literally everyone is ant is just vocal about everything
bro would have a heart attack if he was chasing curry
yeah bro should not be talking, after his bad exit against the mavericks, but that's the problem with these new age dudes nowadays. They talk too f##5%% much, they do nothing, but talk. I would respect it if they actually back it up, but this dude is just talking out of his as with nothing to show for it.
Talking is fine if you own up to it and also you're gracious enough to admit when you're wrong but that's just not happening in today's age. Do the talking but can't take the critique...
That's the problem in this day and age. People have no, or close to no, knowledge of a particular subject, yet will confidently throw their 2 cents in and assert it as fact. Dunning kruger has really gotten out of hand.
This exactly like it’s beyond weird. It’s mostly little boy ego but it’s gotten worse because they hide in little bubbles on TikTok and in certain channels on YT too and agree with each other’s embarrassingly ignorant takes.
I for one appreciate a well argued point against my arguments, that’s how we learn.
That’s why if you ever catch one away from the herd they’re so easy to argue with, they’re clueless except for a few very rare exceptions 😂
I'm sure this only happened in this generation and not every generation since the dawn of manking
@@andrewcook1246 To a lesser degree yeah but I mean it’s sort of obvious you don’t have enough context to say so and I’d guess you’re a young dude being defensive. We didn’t hide out on social media liking each other’s embarrassing takes, we appreciated the wisdom of some of our old heads.
@@andrewcook1246 Did I say that it only happened in this generation mr strawman? Clearly human stupidity is a constant struggle for all homo sapiens, myself included, regardless of the year. My point was that it's getting visibly worse. Ex. 20 years ago if an actor would have got on tv and stated as fact that 1x1=2, they would have been almost univerally mocked. But there are literally millions of people, in this current day and age, that are defending and buying into this and other nonsense. Don't even get me started on flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, etc. And the fact that pretty much everyone has access to the whole of human knowledge at their fingertips, just makes it that much worse. If you're in denial of this, you're in denial of reality, but that's pretty common these days. So I wouldn't be suprised in the least.
@@jubjubhenry5612 I was born in 71. I remember a Jordan-less league so I think I have a little to say about it. There was no social media and videocameras to record every dumb take for the rest of time but believe me the jails were still full of youngins who didn't listen and every barbershop was filled with old people talking all kinds of shit they knew nothing about.
The only change is the availability of footage and that the country now has 130million more people than the year I was born in xD.
It's funny because before they say this era is more athletic but when luka and joker dominated they changed it to skills not athleticism, casuals! 😂😂😂😂
You’re laughing at casuals, but there’s nothing more casual than the narrative that Luka and Jokic aren’t “athletic”. There’s a lot more to athleticism than how fast someone runs or how high they jump. Those guys are incredibly athletic with the level of strength and body control they have
@@kingdeedeeJokic definitely isn't athletic 😂😂😂😂and if someone say that some player isn't soo "athletic", he doesn't mean it in general, in general Luka is much more athletic than any other normal person, for normal person it is miracle to be athletic like Luka. But, when you compare him with NBA players, YES, HE IS MY FAVOURITE PLAYER AND GOD DAMN HE IS NOT THAT ATHLETIC LIKE ALL BEST PLAYERS IN THE LRAGUE. He isn't more athletic than Jayson Tatum, Edwards is miles more athletic than him, Ja is also miles more athletic than him, even Lebron at 39 years of age is still faster, stronger and can jump higher than Luka. Abd Jokic is even less athletic than Luka... And in the end of the day, the point isn't if Luka and Jokic are athletic players or not, the point is that they are not dominating the league because of their athleticism, but because THEY ARE EXTREMELY SMART AND SKILLED. Simply their domination doesn't come from their athleticism, no matter the fact if they are considered as athletic or nine athletic players... Athleticism isn't the reason why they dominate the league, it's their IQ and their basketball skills.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 you wrote all that just to prove my point: you don't have even the slightest clue what athleticism actually is. Jokic's ability to hit ridiculous shots in the faces of extremely strong and physical big men defenders in the NBA is not just a matter of him being skilled. He's REALLY REALLY strong and has a deceptive amount of body control for his size. The ability to turn and contort his body to make ridiculous shots under duress requires INSANE physical conditioning. That is raw athleticism. Not to mention Jokic might be one of the best conditioned players in the NBA. Not just considering big men, I really mean everyone. Other players have even said it and Draymond said himself that Jokic is deceptively quick and he struggled to keep up defending him for a whole game.
If you watch Luka (your favourite player), look at the way he can dribble the ball against some of the most physical hounding defense you'll ever see and remain composed. Yeah he has a good handle, but the ability to remain upright and stay in control of your direction to get where you wanna go on the court isn't just a matter of how good his ball handling is, it takes insane strength as well.
If you wanna just say they they're not fast or explosive, you can definitely say that. But to say these guys aren't athletic? Conditioning, body control and stability and so many other things go into athleticism. There are definitely faster and more explosive players who I would argue are less athletic overall than Luka or Jokic.
@@kingdeedee it's literally skills lmaoo🤣🤣🤣🤣I gues Jokic hitting 3s against Lakers in play offs is also product if his strenght and not the fact that he is skilled 😂🤣😂🤣Jokic's sombor shuffle I guess is also strenght, athletics and not skill😂 you are funny man
Guys like Lebron, Giannis, D Howard go to Hakeem asking him to teach them low post moves.
The 90's can't catch a break
The 90s were the best so people are always aiming to disrespect that time
@@Hunt9-qb1if In my opinion I respect all eras. Every era has their upsides.
@@MORONIC_official big facts
@@Hunt9-qb1ifand what's funny is these same folks trashin and down playin the era have no problem rockin throwback jerseys and apparel from that era wearing shoes and other apparel made popular by players who played in that era and constantly want to reboot, remake shows from that era lol like if y'all do done wit the 90's how come you always tryna bite 90's swag??
@@johndavis932190s are literally known for Jordan and jerseys and those are the only two things ppl respect from the 90s
Being raised with the internet and the wealth of knowledge at their fingertips, this younger generation has zero excuse for being as ignorant as they are.
It's also the fault of their parents and grandparents who've enabled them. Ant needs to put the dunce cap on for this one.
At least with Edwards He's young and very dumb but what's LeBron's excuse he says some very boneheaded things also and this man is practically 40 years old
@@alphinmesa-ks7st Lebron didn't have a father to correct him growing up.
@@rapgodreloaded9259only a handfull of the NBA did
@@alphinmesa-ks7stWhat Lebron ever said that was disrespectful like that ? Lebron was and still is a student of the game, you can see many videos of him giving props to Dr.J or Larry Bird, players who are almost forgotten by this generation so put some respect on Lebron’s name
@@Anthonydu01630 Lebron, and by extension Klutch Sports, are burning down the history of the NBA to prop up Lebron's non-existant GOAT case. Lebron is actively demeaning the legacy of the NBA.
Can’t think of another center as skilled as Hakeem since Hakeem.
Hakeem Adbul Olajuwon is my favorite C ever.
With that said, Nikola Jokić doesn't get his buckets with athletics, he's very cerebral, uses his large frame to seal defenders, and has an assortment of deliveries and angles on his shots that allow him to get them off constantly.
I can see Hakeem dominant in the individual match-up, but Joker taking some games with his teams.
Shaq, except Shaq didnt have a jumper.
Hakeem couldn’t should 3s
Rasheed Wallace did....so are you saying Rasheed was more skilled than Hakeem
See how dumb your comment is now?@@devinmartinez7705
😂Jokic, Embiid and Wemby are definitely more skilled than him, they are way better shooter, especially from 3pts, they are much better passer and ball handler and are equally as skilled in the post, face up/triple threat … Then you have guys like KG, Giannis, AD ect who are almost as skilled and can also play the 4 . Hakeem was the original skilled big man, he was elite and is underated but many players todays are more skilled than him, even Lebron played Center in 2022 lol, and i think i don’t need to tell you he is lore skilled than Hakeem who was just an elite post player with elite footwork, but Embiid is 40pounds heavier than him and his moves are as fluid and advanced as Kobe, just watch 5min of highlights and tell me if im wrong 🤷🏾♂️
Witness the unmitigated skill of the modern NBA on full display at 4:40 . Here we have a carry and 4 steps all in one basketball move. If players in the 90's were allowed to take 6 steps, they would also seem more "skilled"
Facts😂😂😂😂
I was thinking the same thing. Not to mention carrying the ball = ball handling skills today. It was a turnover back when the “non-skilled” players played.
Not a carry, gather-1-2 not a travel. To talk about the rules of ball you gotta be able to understand them
When I watch 1990s and older players I always think wow these guys had more skill than today's players because they played with much stricter officiating, they couldn't carry, travel, double dribble, make offensive fouls
Well said Jonny! The need for appreciation and genuine basketball conversation is so point on. Thanks for saying this!
It's that Klutch Sports signing bonus.
Rent free
So rent free that you see him everywhere 😂
@@Anthonydu01630MAGA cultists love saying rent free about Trump living in minds. You love Trump too, boy?
@@Anthonydu01630 Michael Jordan lives, rent free and every clutch sport and LeBron’s brain
MJ stans (not fans) try not to bring up Lebron in every single YT video they see challenge (impossible)
We've made being ignorant & saying (or doing) stupid things socially acceptable. People are too afraid to directly call out nonsense to these people for fear of losing access.
Basketball is the sport we hate everything and all we do is rank each other on a daily basis
We used to respect the modern game & past eras, and nobody ranked anybody. They'd ask MJ if he thinks he's the greatest ever and he'd differ, give respect to past eras and that was it. The NBA has completely lost it's way and alienated the players & fans who grew it to a global brand. I'm so disappointed in Anthony Edwards.
I’m considered Gen Z but my goodness, the lack of ball knowledge from my own generation is astounding and hella disrespectful. I appreciate the greats from before as they set the foundation. The young players should appreciate these older guys being the reason why they’re paid so much. I love Mj, Kobe, Bron, Bird etc. just phenomenal legends who get way too much hate nowadays
I blame the hot take media. ESPN and fox sports. They don't know shit about real basketball, so they have to talk about bull s hit drama.
Trashing the players who came before you in an attempt to elevate yourself is the legacy lebron leaves behind
Jordan fans are hypocrites because they do the exact same thing
How is that brons fault😂
@@Is0keem nobody was out here tryna trash older generations before Lebron came around and start doing it…him and clutchsports…now the younger player follow along…
@@chuck1026That’s a straight up lie, find me 1 video of Lebron not respecting the old heads, it’s the other way around fool, the old heads hate on him since fucking 2003 lol, Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, even KG and Pierce before they realized Lebron was really him … Lebron always gave respect to the GOATS, he’s a student of the game why you think he wear number 23 ? Lebron loved MJ, Iverson, Magic, Bird, Dr.J ect so stop spreading lies salty old man
@@chuck1026 When has lebron ever trashed older generations?
You’re by far the best basketball RUclipsr in the internet. Hands down. Not to be a Jonny Arnett stan but I binge watch your streams. You’re actually about that life. You’re the opposite of a casual fan! Please keep giving us more content.
Hakeem's skillset set is timeless. Never seen a bigman moves with such finesse.
Does being more “skilled” even matter when player’s nowadays are made of glass, get injured all the time and sit out games because they’re the laziest they’ve ever been?
And have no fundamentals.
Oftentimes it seems that when they say players today are more skilled they're mostly referring to dribbling and 3pt shooting. They are correct with the 3pt shooting, but with the dribbling they tend to ignore that much of what they do with the ball today would be called as carrying or traveling barely even 20 years ago. They're allowed to get away with so much more with the ball in their hands compared to years past that it's easy for them to be fooled into thinking they're light years better today.
they are not more skilled. They barely have to drible, they carry the ball, they travel and they double dribble. Basketball is much easier when you barely have to handle the ball. To me it looks clumsier and uglier, but it surely is not more skilled.
@@davidmartinez52420 yes exactly. should have read first. same thoughts. Also, getting better at 3pt shooting is not even that impressive. It's a pefectly trainable skill and obviusly it is exploited nowadays because there is virtually no defense. So obviously between an easy 2pt and an easy 3pt, you go for the three.
@@peteMickeal33Nah they're definitely more skilled nowadays
The media have been hyping him way too much during the playoffs even comparing him to Kobe and Jordan. All the greats were also humble students of the game and they were not cocky without a mountain of evidence behind their cockiness. They also respected those who paved the way for them.
Edwards just clowned himself. Plain and simple. Earlier he admitted that he didn't watch old school ball and thus isn't qualified to talk about it but just a bit later claims that only MJ had skill. He is talking even though he admitted he should not be. Clown.
In a sense Edwards is just a living example of the current day and age basketball pros. They like to talk and share their opinions even though they don't know anything of what they are talking about...And idiots, people who know even less, follow and repeat their words.
A living example of social media: everyone can get their voice heard but isn't held accountable of their words.
We are getting closer to 200k the 200 questions video is going to be a long one!
Who is we ?
@@calvin1508 we as a fanbase
@@MORONIC_officialyour name checks out
I’m 58 years old. I watched the NBA avidly for 40 years. But I have quit. The game is not interesting. The players are not interesting. That’s my opinion.
There’s a real danger for all fans to say that previous eras and subsequent eras are not as good. Fans have egos just as much as any player. We cannot get caught up in tying our self-worth into an opinion of a time or a player. The game constantly changes in methodology, philosophy, movement, coaching, training, equipment, statistics, franchises, sports medicine, etc. Dolph Schayes does not pass the current eye test, but Anthony Edwards will never retire as the all-time scoring champion.
I think it hurts all fans to have a current player denigrate their favorite era of the game. I think we would all love to hear current players say that they are grateful for those who have gone before. Pleased to be part of the legacy, big gun with the first players in the league, handed off to the players during the integration of the league, continued through the downtimes of the competing leagues, brought to new heights during the 80s and 90s, and then being the game, which is the current players viewed through the 2000s.
Maybe the players of the 70s looked down upon the players from the 40s and 50s. I wouldn’t know anything about that. I don’t think they had microphones in front of their faces 24/7. I don’t know what Jordan thought about Pistol Pete. I don’t know what Kobe thought about Alex English. I don’t know what Nikola Jokić thinks about Artis Gilmore. I just want current players to be appreciative of what they have. The universe did not begin on the day Ant-man was born.
Jay-Z said in "Family Feud"
"No one wins when the family feuds"
Old basketball players new basketball players. Stop comparing generations. Great players every decade did something great. Leave it at that
And it should be that simple celebrate the era for what it did and the great players it produced cause if we wanna jus sit here and compare eras and see which eras are better than which other eras will b here all day bec every era was flawed in some way
Exactly
I had a similar thought. I was thinking “well there goes all your MJ fans!”
Ant said MJ is the only skilled player of the 90s so, basically, they'll still be fans of his. It's all the other old school fans of other players that will be dumping on him.
@@MrPhilbautistaThen you don't know nothing about old heads
@@MrPhilbautista People who witnessed that era know how ridiculous his claim is. It's not about being an MJ fan, the guy just sounds like a f*cking idiot...and saying that sh*t takes away from all of MJ's accomplishments.
@@MrPhilbautista No dude most MJ fans worship the 90s and their skill, they definitely hating on Ant for this
Big fan of everytime you call out fans. Basketball discourse is no longer about talking ball.. its become who can complain about something they don't like.. optimism has left the building.. understanding has left the building.. respect and appreciation, has left the building
One of his own Damm teammate doesn't have skill. Rudy Gobert. A turnover waiting to happen. Worst pair of hands I ever saw on a big man.
Then how did he average 12pts/10reb/1.5ast/1block in the playoffs this year? Also how did he have the highest +/- on the Timberwolves with +95 over 15 playoff games? He also had the highest offensive rating by any player in the league with 137.4 back in 2022? Take your Ginkgo next time grandpa
@@BeerAndJointsAllDay Whats up with the insults? Never ceases to amaze me how tough people are under the safety and anonymity of the internet.
Bird, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem, Gervin, Worthy, Bernard King, Isiah. So unskilled. I'd love to see Ant try to guard them.
This is the effect of adam silvers product. New Gen thinks they are miles apart from the OGs because they can freely do whatever on offense nowadays. No handchecking , a lot of missed travel and carrying violations , offense flopping/hunting for fouls like j.harden and the jump shooter landing distance from defenders. I never heard kobe , duncan , shaq , KG disrespect their peers. Just appreciate those that played before you. No need to disrespect them to elevate yourself.
Observation: when people say “skill,” what they really mean is handles and three point shooting. So basically guard functions. What about post play? That’s a skill, right? Apparently not to these fans. It is sad to watch the internet ruin yet another passion of mine 😆
This is an era where people argue that 4 steps isn't a travel. "Skill"=/= picking the ball up and running to the rim like a running back
@@gfys9724 agreed, that context goes missing. Almost impossible to compare eras because of it
What Anthony Edwards said was ignorant. Hopefully, he uses this as a teaching moment.
It's a shame seeing how divise NBA fans have become both young and old.
Tell me about it brotha
Old heads started it, you wanted war now you have it 😂
"People buy into propaganda when it's left unchecked" Truer words have never been spoken.
I still like Ant, but he needs to rein it in.
The old generation was super skilled i wish people thought fr before they spoke, most of ants takes be hilarious but this one was just all the way wrong
The stars? Yes. The average player? No. What I will say is based on the time's rules the amount of skill you could flash was different. But this applies also to previous greats who no one in the 90s praises like Russell, Wilt, etc.
@@andrewcook1246 You're wrong, the average player in the guard-wing position had skill. C is the only position that you have a point due to coaches admitting to not letting them develop outside of 12-15 ft.
Hell yeah!! Just didn’t have the technology to document like nowadays. The stars of each era obviously had the liberty of getting on the screen or radio but the guys that weren’t household names or just star level to near never got the same love. Seen someone say they didn’t know Connie Hawkins was legit a couple days ago. If only technology was like it is now for the guys back then
@@aaronlampkin284 the average guard had 0 3pt shot or left handed dribble/finish.
@@andrewcook1246No they had, you cannot become a professional basketball player without having such skills. I played for twenty years on minor leagues and even those guards had these skills.There were bigs who could only rebound and block, but not the guards. European teams thirty years ago would had taken an NBA guard, who was a 9-12 man on rotation, and he would thrive.
This era is so skilled yet only on one side of the basketball and even the top tier players are lazy on defense.
There is no truth to his comment and it’s sad bc I’m a fan of his. The problem is the actual greats who are secure in their greatness commend the current gen of players. Magic, Bird, MJ, Kobe all showed respect and promoted the next gen of greats. Of course there are former average players with their pods making hot takes about this and that. But true greats know what they did, and are secure enough to be respectful and give someone else their due. It’s actually an epidemic in America at this point. Great vid Johnny. God bless you and yours
lol derrick jones jr. caught a stray
Had to do it to someone. Lmao
I would've chosen CJ McCollum, respectfully, at least when I try to make the same argument that Jonny did.
CJ has reputable skill for his position, unlike DJJ. Now *that's* a a stray 😂
This is a great Insight... Love this video...
"We done with the 2000s"
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I follow multiple sports and there is not a fan base out there that is worse than NBA fans, and it's not even close. The lack of knowledge and disrespect is just crazy.
The only fanbase I can think of that could be arguably, worse or rap fans of the modern era
What he meant was a lot less plumbers today. Now, 90% of players can shoot the three and teams set up their offense for the three. There is no room for Greg Kite's or Kurt Rambis, or even Dennis Rodman today.
Imagine Pat Mahomes sayjng "I've never watched the 90's qb's, they had no skill."
I would love to see a video against the "Bill Russell a Wilt Chamberlain only succed because they played against plumbers" take. Not many people actually take the time to refute this claims.
Glad to see someone like MVP Embiid talking about how Wilt could play in any era.
When you say that there are a lot of similarities with Jordan I beg to differ. Jordan had an insane competitive drive where Edwards basically faded and quit in game 5 against the Mavs. Jordan did a lot of trashtalking, but not on the sidelines like Edwards. Jordan knew his history and praised those who came before him. Edwards is a dumb, ungrateful, spoiled brat who thinks basketbal started with him. Jordan was gracious in defeat, always shaking hands with the opponent, while Edwards threw chairs and ran to the locker room like his idol LeBron. So I see much more similarities with the latter.
Great video, Jonny! I rolled my eyes when I read Anthony Edwards' comments. I'm glad you speak out against the misinformation. I will repeat something that I have heard many times- history is not made in a vacuum. A great example is how you pointed out about the influence of David Thompson on MJ's game. The past provides a foundation, inspiration, etc. for the present and the future of the game. There needs to be more respect for the history of the game.
I agree with you also about how toxic the discourse has gotten (including with fans of previous decades of basketball bashing the NBA today and vice versa). It is too much, and I appreciate your calls for more respectful and genuine dialogue.
Happy Friday, Jonny 😊 Hope you have a good weekend!
Don’t ever stop making videos 💪💯 appreciate ya channel fr.
A lot of great shooters in the Steph Curry era. In the 80s and 90s there were a lot of great post players. Playing with back to the basket and using post moves are valuable skills. MJ era and todays era a lot of skilled players just different specialties
Guys that were consistent mid range shooters too
@@toryou6 No. There weren't that many
@TiagoGomez-hb9te Mark Aquirre. Alexis English, Andrew Toney. Adrian Dantley. Jack Sikma, Chris Mullin, Rolando Blackmon, Walter Davis, Jeff Malone, Rickey Pierce ect. Do yourself homework young fella
This coming from the guy who said he was going to be "the man" on the Olympic team and did was pulled late game for taking bad shots and too many chances on defense
Another Banger Jonny. My basketball kindred spirit, you are *yoda voice* I, too, was not upset or annoyed at his comments. It actually just made me really sad to hear. I thought about the time when we were kids... and how much we revered and sought out the knowledge of previous generations of basketball players. I know you watched all the tape your pops had.. I wasn't as fortunate so I'd go to my school library and try to find every & any basketball book I could find. Obvi, I never saw guys like Wilt play (there wasn't youtube back then, heck or even NBATV) so I had to read all about him in books. I was fascinated with the stories about the players that my favorite players idolized. That's how I knew who David Thompson was. Bc of reading up on MJ.
I begged my mom to buy me the basketball books at the book fair. I must've read em like 1000x, front to back. After this AE Thing, I started thinking back on how when the NBA50 list came out I tried to digest as much as I could and learn about all the greats. Now, these guys openly admit that they don't even watch the previous generations (when all they have to do is a quick youtube search...) It's just disappointing. I don't want to sound like the old guy on the lawn but man. it just sucks to see the lack of appreciation for the guys who made this possible for him... Bird & Magic esp. - basketball GODS. To flat out openly sh*t on them just plain sucks. I hope he educates himself at some point. He's too good and too talented to not even bother.
anyway, great content as always. Thanks for keeping this basketball geek entertained as always.
Anthony Edwards isn't even that skilled. Did everyone miss the fact he did about 7+ steps in his 'amazing footwork' move in the Olympics that had Curry glazing him? Most of these guys would double or triple their turnover account from traveling alone if 90s era dribbling rules were enforced.
Damian Lillard will be getting called a plumber in 20 years 😭😂😂😂
Kids are going to look at Russell Westbrook highlights of him missing easy layups and call his era trash😂😂
2000s can't catch a Break 😂😂😂😂😮😮😮😮
00’s were an actually strong era, 90’s were only great going into the late 90’s
Every era were strong in their own right @@d3adyoutubeaccount
@@d3adyoutubeaccountAre you being fr?
He not talking about the 2000s hes talking about the 90s
@@legrandelysee98 This is the fact. The league is as strong as it was in the 00’s, while 90’s only started getting advanced going into ‘97. This doesn’t mean 90’s players are trash or anything but a lot of the solid players back then would be considered role-players.
How come y’all get some up in arms about people “disrespecting history” when history (retired players) do the exact same thing for current players all the time. Who cares what people think about other eras it really doesn’t matter when you can easily research what happened.
If anyone says old-school players didn’t have skills, they’re just ignorant, bro. Today’s NBA players can’t even replicate the most unstoppable shots ever-Kareem’s skyhook and MJ’s fadeaway. So, who’s really lacking skills now?😅
Just to add to this dumb take by Edwards:
When he mentioned that when we saw Kobe, we were amazed, indirectly he is also attacking the players who were alongside Kobe's era (Duncan, Iverson, Carter, Wade, Pierce, Allen, Shaq, Dirk, even Lebron). So Edwards just threw a dumpster fire. He has lost tons of respects from the old school and even the 2000s fans. Dumb and ignorant take by someone who has not achieved anything in this sport.
Thank you Jonny!
I will say it hurts too! Out of respect to Mr Edwards sir you are authentic and a phenomenal sport! Let’s come together next time (pause) and just be respectful towards older players as you would with your own fathers, mothers, and those before you. There is NO ME WITHOUT THEM! It’s called evolution! We grew from them, we didn’t pop out of the blue ❤️
This is the oldest argument tactic.
When you know that your argument is weaker than the one you're arguing against you stop arguing for your side and only attack the other.
Even those saying that this is the best basketball has ever been don't believe that.
I truly believe that 🤷🏾♂️
The first player popped up in my mind was Hakeem. Apparently, he was just a plumber in Ant's eyes😂
I was waiting for this, haha. When that quote popped up I was like, "Johnny Arnett is gonna go to town on this." Haha.
Everyone knows the greats were "skilled" and could show their greatness in any era, that being said every position today needs to have an offensive "bag" or you gonna get played off the court, people rarely get credit for shining in their role its always "yeah he can do that but why cant he do this?"
If the league was as skilful as you claim, why was it dominated by just 1 person? Everyone in these comments are stuck in the past.
Because NBA in the 1990s was _dead._ That's what oldheads don't want to admit...
The average players today are wayyyy better than the players in the 90s I don’t care what you say.
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This is why the timberwolves will never win a championship but thats the difference in professionalism in Minnesota, only the lynx have won the more recent championships.
At the top, superstars are comparable skillwise. Role players are sooooooo skilled in the modern game.
I think what you're seeing is the problem with eras no longer being confined by the media they were in. Think about this, in the 90s no body was really talking about the 60s. This is because we weren't able to constantly search out and get highlights from the 60s at will. You basically had to go find old film or be lucky to catch an old game on a classic viewing channel.
There wasn't any social media constantly comparing the eras. People talked about what they knew and what they were able to watch which was 90s/80s basketball. Don't get me wrong there were still old heads back in the 90s. There were also people trashing the 60s but it was a minority voice. Now you can't get away from it because it generates tons of revenue.
3:35 That KD smile is an all time great NBA moment. The absolute coolest way to be in that situation. He's genuinely happy for the kid and also knowing that he's still got a long way to go to get to KD's level.
No skill ? Apparently he never heard Of MJ footwork and how copied his moves and carried what he did into 2000s and Hakeem footwork ik Kareem didn’t play in 90s but he had skyhook and you got magic passing skills or Allen Iverson crossover reason like this is why i don’t like modern nba
The sky hook is the ugliest shot in the history of the sport
No truth!!!
Unlike america, other countries actually respect and love their past athletes no matter what time they played in. You don't see russian players & fans who was from the soviet union disrespecting their past players like this, but you hear americans do this, you don't hear brazilian & yugoslavia/croatian basketball players & fans talking like this, but you hear americans do this. So this comment is about american, being a ignorant american around other americans. Now let's get this started, the anthony edwards said, that doesn't believe nobody from the 1980s and 90s was skilled, but ask him about street ball who went against michael jordan & ask does he know who the david copperfield of basketball booger smith is & I bet you he doesn't know who is, ask him who micheal ray richardson is & he doesn't know who is he is, ask him who dejan bodiroga is, he won't know who is & mostly because the man does I expected fans & players of today usually do, all talk about the rules and how the game was played & don't really focus on said players or there names, just care about how they play, that's more important than knowing said player & what they did. Also you gonna love that edwards says mj, but even michael jordan wouldn't say anything like this to players from the 1970s of the nba and aba or players from the 1960s when we watching college basketball and wanting to go to north carolina. Mostly probably because these don't truly know how good and luxurious they have it, these black athletes make so much cash today, you can make 500k while being a 2 way player and make millions just while being a bench warmer.
Ant will end up without ring & and he will remembered for this hilarious take.
0:18 starting this off with a travel I see.. 😂
speaking of disrespect…..it’s downright disrespectful that Bob Lanier didn’t make the top 75 list (and the 50 greatest). he’s sooo underrated.
and it’s disrespectful that Bobby Jones isn’t talked about more. he’s the greatest defender, we don’t talk about.
If you ask me, there were 4 or 5 others I think should've made the original list: Bob, Artis Gilmore, Bernard King, Dennis Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, and maybe Chris Mullin and Alex English.
I'm most confused by Bernard King's omission given that he is so highly regarded by peers and fans alike.
I assume it's due to his drug use, ditto for Mullin. Don't know how a guy on the Dream Team wasn't named to the 50 list when literally everyone else was, including the coach who was named to the then 10 greatest coaches list - not to mention that Mullin was ultimately admitted into the HOF.
Thank you! I thought I was alone in this world. Those 2 are part of my 75 greatest.
Mullin also beat his alcoholic issues. I'd say that's one heck of a feat especially for a pro athlete with all that money in their pockets to tempt them.
It should be shocking to absolutely no one that he said this. He has the same mentality that causes oldheads to constantly minimize today's game. They are the same. Stop pretending there's a difference.
One problem I'm seeing with some basketball content creators (not you Johnny) is they base how great a player from yesteryear was solely by stats and highlights. If they actually decided to watch in full old games & read books about those players and history of the NBA, it will allow them to see how great this legends and the impact they left on the sport. I recommend to anyone who's a basketball fan to read the Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons
Today basketball players exhibit thier athleticism more. Yesteryear they were better BASKETBALL players. Period.
to me in the very first steal and layup clip, it looks like he takes 3 steps after grabbing the ball with both hands.
Yep, travel @2:44. 🤣😂✈️💨
Slow motion dummy
Slow motion dumm1
His comment is the MJ of hyperbole.
That comment is the epitome of damn near all Jordan fans.
@@younglove3362no TF it’s not
@casiemny1219
Definitely is. When it comes to Jordan y'all sound almost exactly like Ant 🐜 with the comparisons. Stop ✋️.
@@younglove3362 WTF are you even talking about? You just made that comment with no basis. Just online yapping lol
@casiemny1219
I'm pointing out the comparisons of Ant and Jordan fans. Not my fault you're to daft to see it.
❤ Mr Arnett is ALWAYS ON POINT!!! 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
This reminds me of a discussion I had earlier this year, I think around when the POs were still going on.
I'm a 34 years old guy, so I can't say I saw all of Pat Ewing's career live, but I did catch some of his final really good years and as someone who is a beat of a freak of basketball history like jonny, I have watched most of his most important or best games through tape.
My discussion was with a guy who's likely around 24-25 years old. He was talking about how Wembanyama would be dominating in the 90s. Up to that point I don't really have that many issues with the comment because I do think Wemby is a freak who would do well in any era... but I really joined (and maybe kinda usurped) the conversation when he said centers could barely play in the 90s (of all positions, he went and choosed centers) with the exception of Olajuwon, saying especifically that Ewing had no skill and could barely dribble the ball.
I'm not even a Knicks fan or espefically an Ewing fan, but that did kinda trigger me. I do think Wemby has everything to become a historically better player than Ewing, but trating Ewing as if he was just a big body felt so wrong. Ewing had a ton of skills, and a prime Ewing would absolutely demolish rookie Wemby in the post.
Anyways, don't wanna expand much on Wemby vs Ewing, but my point is how even Ewing's game is kinda lost in time since he didn't manage to really win. Thankfully, Olajuwon is still appreciated overall, but Olajuwon is great in great part because of going against guys like Ewing, Alonzo, Admiral, and even guys like Shaq and Kareem. Also makes me wonder what would the general perception be had the Knicks won that Game 7 in 1994 (I mean, I would still think Hakeem is the better player, but would be fun to imagine how things would change because of one single game).
Anyways, it's cool to watch Ant, he does have that swag on the court and makes an effort in both sides of the court, but he really, really should've stopped at "I can't speak on it", that would've been so respected, accepted and ultimately correct.
If basketball back in the day was so much worse, Lebron would've averaged 40-20-20 in his rookie year or he would be out of the league by now, yet he was a very good rookie (who, btw, didn't win anything for almost 10 years) and can still compete against this generation as a 39 years old man.
The way the game has changed a lot, but the talent of the league has pretty much always been there.
love that you show a travel to star the intro! LOL
Ant travels on that olympic fast break highlight @2:44 also. 🤣😂✈️💨
Them ex - nba players don't tell truth, agenda driven, etc. Fans know truth. We know.
... ❤ "One of the most FLUID ARTISTIC big man" ... 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👊🏼👌🏼!!! TRUE FACTS!!!
“But now everybody has skill” in carrying and traveling 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I always love to see David Thompson get love!! It’s getting to the point where folks are even forgetting some of MJs inspos like David and Dr.J, Earl “Black Jesus” Monroe
I don't even watched your video... But already gave you the like 👍🏼 and I HAVE to say: these young guns DON'T HAVE A CLUE what they're talking about!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
"Michael Jordan was the only skilled player back in the day." The rest of the quote was: "Shout out to you pops".
"I took offense to that"
You CORNY
Tbh I kinda feel like the movement of being done with the 90s and the older generations of players being unskilled really originated as pushback. In the past so many analysts, reporters etc. have been quick to dismiss the new generation of players and say they wouldn't survive if they played in the 80s or 90s. I think the young people got so sick of it that they just decided to match it. Doing the same thing many oldheads are doing but the other way around
The game has never been more open than now, and they can all carry, and travel to their hearts content, compared to back in the day... That's enough right there. Sums up this era of ball. Yet they try to call out ball back in the day for not doing the same moves they can now...
Shows how much lack of knowledge they have. Im 45, watched both era's.
Agree with Ant.
90's players couldn't make a "good" layup/dunk after taking 4-5 steps.
That is "SKILL". Skill not to be called by the refs.
Basketball fans will get over this comment from Ant because some other player will say something worse or on the same level and the fans will go to that person 😂
Honestly it’s not a huge deal because it’s a Ant comment that can be over exaggerated or too cocky
They think skill=spamming 10 3s attempt
this reminded me of Noah Lies saying he didn’t know who Giannis or Jokic were. so you don’t know the two best basketball players in the world and yet you wanna diss them with the whole “world champion of what” debate (considering his antics should be directed at the US media members….you know the ones who say “world champion”).
Need a Tatum appreciation video for once brother. Too much hate around his name lately. Would be really refreshing. Love your work
- players wasn’t athletic back then…
- Enter Jokic and Luca
The NBA is much more skilled today I can only imagine what Kyrie would do in the 70s and 80s. If they thought Jerry west was impressive imagine todays modern day guards
He would be called for traveling almost every time he dribbled. Rules were enforced differently back then and he would have to adjust HIS game, not the other way around. Happened to AI as a rookie.
@@gfys9724 NBA back then was whack...
Ant probably couldn't even name 5 players from the 90s.
Context matters. I have been to more places in the US than Lewis and Clark, am I a better explorer? Of course not. I'm able to follow the trails that were made long before I was. Same thing with basketball, were skills more rudimentary in earlier decades, of course, but they didn't have 75 years of game film and analysis to look back on. Therefore, those players are just as great, because they blazed the tails for modern players to follow.
Good point but that doesn't mean players aren't way better than they were back then...
The genuine truth on why discussions like this even originated started from when old heads started trashing the modern era and as a result of this the current era also started trashing on their era which is completely normal
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@@youtubeisassho8834 You do realize that I'm not lying right think of it, how Shaq constantly slanders Rudy Gobert or his jealousy towards Jokic, think of when Rasheed Wallace said that Lebron couldn't play in his era even though Lebron pretty much started his career then, Dennis Rodman saying that he would easily lock up Lebron, Charles Oakley saying that Giannis would've been a benchwarmer in his era you really think all these didn't contribute to the modern fans hating that era?
I wholeheartedly agree wit ant's loadmangagement statement, im tryna make it to the league n hopefully if i do i def wouldnt js wanna sit at home or on the bench after i put in all the work to be there like wtf was the point😂
0:52 i remember some of his bruvvas tried to say can't man has a high IQ 😂😂
I wish so badly I could post images as comments on RUclips
I wanted to put can't mans face on the yakub big brain ni🅱️🅱️a picture 😂😂😂
These young players dont watch tapes of the old guys and study game