Have you thought about just adding longer vanes on the three fletch to get closer to the same weight? That would be interesting to see that comparison at longer ranges
It comes down to surface area more than weight. Adding longer vanes does have a similar effect as adding a fourth, but longer vanes can pose other issues in compound archery when compared to short vanes - clearance, noise, difficulty of fletching on small diameter shafts, etc. your thought process is not wrong, but we just generally aren’t very concerned about back end weight (unless you start adding nock bushings and lighted nocks, then there starts to be a real change in dynamic spine)
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads Agreed, there are a lot of variables and what ifs,, just thought it would be a kool experiment to try see, or the difference it has on a longer arrow like a 30” vs a shorter arrow like a 25” arrow,,🤙
@@darkeningone if you’re into playing around then do it! You will learn far more by fletching up arrows and shooting them than you will from me on RUclips!
Instead of putting the mic on your sleeve, a couple other options I use are putting it under the brim of your hat (route it up behind your neck and hair and to the brim, or, wear an undershirt tank top and place the mic on that with your normal shirt over it.
I’m actually going thru this now, been shooting 3 fletch blazer/ bully and my shop asked me to try a 4 fletch AAE. First thing we noticed is how much quieter the 4 fletch is. Keep the great videos coming! Sub’d, Berta’ 🤘🏻
did you actually listen or test AAE vanes in 3 fletch before assuming the reason it was more quiet was 4 fletch? Because anything is quite than blazer vanes.
All same length. I would run blazers whether I’m doing 3 or 4 fletch. I’ve had good results with the longer X-vanes, but haven’t found them better than Blazers and Blazers are much easier to source
Hey man! I just bought your Tota solid and solid XL in a 125grain. I shoot a bowtech sx80 @ 83 ish lbs and 31” draw. My arrows are the victory rip ss. Arrow weight is about 550 without vanes on. I still can’t decide witch vanes to go with and would like your opinion on the matter. Do I go short and tall or long (3”) and lower profile. 3 fletch with big helical or straight 4 fletch.
You need a balance of all of the above! Try a high profile short vane four fletched with a slight right offset! 4 vanes is always better than 3, and straight fletch will never help you. At the same time, a heavy helical will hurt you at distance no matter how many vanes you have. Short but tall vanes (like blazers) have enough surface area to control an arrow very well but because the wind passes by the entire surface area very quickly (when compared to a 3 or 4” vane), they are also very quiet. It’s the best of all worlds!
I just switched to 4 fletch.. but I also shoot trad and heavy up front, was having problems with whaletailing.. 4 4 inch feathers seemed to stabilize it and also adds that little extra weight.. I like my arrows like I like my women😂
Seems odd that the 4 fletch flew better in windy conditions. Generally speaking I find that 4 fletch in wind creates both too much drag, as well as has too much total surface area and moves around more. I’ve gone back to fletching my own 3 vane. Just not a significant improvement to go to 4 vanes anymore. Then when it’s windy my 4 fletch did much worse. That’s after shooting bullet holes and having my bow tuned.
@@mikeyk0808 the 4th vane adds stabilization which allows it to hold true better when wind tries to push it around. The important part is that you’re shooting what works ideally for you, that’s all I care about!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads Cool thanks for the reply.. old Mattews DXT at 27" DL and 65 pounds.. i built a 500 grain arrow GT hunter XT with G5 montecs CS in 100 grain but the suck. They fly decent but are not sharp at ALL. I can run my finger up and down it brand new out of package. Question, so 4 fletch is better for fixed blades? This archery endeavor was supposed to be fun but i have found myself going to severe rabbit holes about arrow and bow tuning. Trying to figure out if i suck or if im shooting with an untuned bow. No pro shops closer than an hour and half from me. West Texas whitetail and feral hogs! Would TOTA broadheads be good for me?
@@Lovenlife139 very happy to help, my channel is full of information that can help you. 4-fletch is better for EVERYTHING! There is no arrow/broadhead combination that won’t benefit from a fourth vane! You should check out my video called “6 Reasons Your Broadheads Don’t Fly Like Field Points”. You issue is more than likely spine related, and not your bow - but maybe! That video will help you check all the boxes. Feel free to reach out with any questions! And yes, our broadheads have taken hundreds and hundreds of hogs and whitetail!
@@AlexOrlovallmountainsports lately I have been doing 4-fletch at 90° with a 2° helical, but I’m using the slightly longer and lower Bohning Heat vanes
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads 😎, I want to try left 3 degree with 4 vanes, X3 2.25. They are stiff.. The 3 vanes 3 degrees works fine on TKOs up to 65 yrds, now want to put them on Bruxx 8.97mm and check how they are flying for 3D..
@@AlexOrlovallmountainsports I would warn against left helical! Check out my video on arrow clocking, helical direction, and single bevels for more info!
The drag would be significantly increased! The arrow flight would be fantastic but your arrows would slow down very quickly! Thanks for sharing and watching!
Have you thought about just adding longer vanes on the three fletch to get closer to the same weight? That would be interesting to see that comparison at longer ranges
It comes down to surface area more than weight. Adding longer vanes does have a similar effect as adding a fourth, but longer vanes can pose other issues in compound archery when compared to short vanes - clearance, noise, difficulty of fletching on small diameter shafts, etc. your thought process is not wrong, but we just generally aren’t very concerned about back end weight (unless you start adding nock bushings and lighted nocks, then there starts to be a real change in dynamic spine)
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads Agreed, there are a lot of variables and what ifs,, just thought it would be a kool experiment to try see, or the difference it has on a longer arrow like a 30” vs a shorter arrow like a 25” arrow,,🤙
@@darkeningone if you’re into playing around then do it! You will learn far more by fletching up arrows and shooting them than you will from me on RUclips!
For 5 fletch - AAE makes a replacement nock dial for the Bitzenburger jig that does 3, 4, 5, or 6 fletch
@@Raevenswood i would love to play around with that
Instead of putting the mic on your sleeve, a couple other options I use are putting it under the brim of your hat (route it up behind your neck and hair and to the brim, or, wear an undershirt tank top and place the mic on that with your normal shirt over it.
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I’m actually going thru this now, been shooting 3 fletch blazer/ bully and my shop asked me to try a 4 fletch AAE. First thing we noticed is how much quieter the 4 fletch is. Keep the great videos coming! Sub’d, Berta’ 🤘🏻
I have yet to see a setup where 4-fletch doesn't outperform 3! Thanks for the support from a fellow Albertan!
did you actually listen or test AAE vanes in 3 fletch before assuming the reason it was more quiet was 4 fletch? Because anything is quite than blazer vanes.
Thanks for this. I'm attempting to run 4 Fletch with a 3° helical w/ 4 blade Slick Tricks. I'm in AB as well...
@@heldaccountablepod feel free to reach out if you need any advice!
What was the length of the fletches? All the same length or shorter on the 4 fletch arrows?
All same length. I would run blazers whether I’m doing 3 or 4 fletch. I’ve had good results with the longer X-vanes, but haven’t found them better than Blazers and Blazers are much easier to source
Hey man! I just bought your Tota solid and solid XL in a 125grain. I shoot a bowtech sx80 @ 83 ish lbs and 31” draw. My arrows are the victory rip ss. Arrow weight is about 550 without vanes on. I still can’t decide witch vanes to go with and would like your opinion on the matter. Do I go short and tall or long (3”) and lower profile. 3 fletch with big helical or straight 4 fletch.
You need a balance of all of the above! Try a high profile short vane four fletched with a slight right offset!
4 vanes is always better than 3, and straight fletch will never help you. At the same time, a heavy helical will hurt you at distance no matter how many vanes you have. Short but tall vanes (like blazers) have enough surface area to control an arrow very well but because the wind passes by the entire surface area very quickly (when compared to a 3 or 4” vane), they are also very quiet. It’s the best of all worlds!
I just switched to 4 fletch.. but I also shoot trad and heavy up front, was having problems with whaletailing.. 4 4 inch feathers seemed to stabilize it and also adds that little extra weight.. I like my arrows like I like my women😂
Haha! I am not a trad expert by any means, but I do believe that there is no downside to 4-fletch on any setup
Seems odd that the 4 fletch flew better in windy conditions. Generally speaking I find that 4 fletch in wind creates both too much drag, as well as has too much total surface area and moves around more. I’ve gone back to fletching my own 3 vane. Just not a significant improvement to go to 4 vanes anymore. Then when it’s windy my 4 fletch did much worse. That’s after shooting bullet holes and having my bow tuned.
@@mikeyk0808 the 4th vane adds stabilization which allows it to hold true better when wind tries to push it around. The important part is that you’re shooting what works ideally for you, that’s all I care about!
I found the same results with a 4-fletch. Arrows just fly better with more stability
It really works!
You use an offset with 4 vanes?
Absolutely!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads how much offset you can advice?
@@Bluuubbb1 1-1.5° is ideal for long range shooting. If you don’t shoot much past 50 or so yards you can go up to a 3°
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads thank you so much :)
New to bowhunting, so with 4 fletch theres mo cock vain so im assuming there will be mo contact with the QAD drop away?
No it won’t contact at all as long as your rest is setup correctly!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads
Cool thanks for the reply.. old Mattews DXT at 27" DL and 65 pounds.. i built a 500 grain arrow GT hunter XT with G5 montecs CS in 100 grain but the suck. They fly decent but are not sharp at ALL. I can run my finger up and down it brand new out of package.
Question, so 4 fletch is better for fixed blades?
This archery endeavor was supposed to be fun but i have found myself going to severe rabbit holes about arrow and bow tuning. Trying to figure out if i suck or if im shooting with an untuned bow. No pro shops closer than an hour and half from me.
West Texas whitetail and feral hogs! Would TOTA broadheads be good for me?
@@Lovenlife139 very happy to help, my channel is full of information that can help you.
4-fletch is better for EVERYTHING! There is no arrow/broadhead combination that won’t benefit from a fourth vane!
You should check out my video called “6 Reasons Your Broadheads Don’t Fly Like Field Points”. You issue is more than likely spine related, and not your bow - but maybe! That video will help you check all the boxes. Feel free to reach out with any questions!
And yes, our broadheads have taken hundreds and hundreds of hogs and whitetail!
4 fletch at 90", or you put 2-3 "? Cheers
@@AlexOrlovallmountainsports lately I have been doing 4-fletch at 90° with a 2° helical, but I’m using the slightly longer and lower Bohning Heat vanes
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads 😎, I want to try left 3 degree with 4 vanes, X3 2.25. They are stiff.. The 3 vanes 3 degrees works fine on TKOs up to 65 yrds, now want to put them on Bruxx 8.97mm and check how they are flying for 3D..
@@AlexOrlovallmountainsports I would warn against left helical! Check out my video on arrow clocking, helical direction, and single bevels for more info!
@@toothofthearrowbroadheads my bow clicking left..
@@AlexOrlovallmountainsports watch that video!
AAE makes a knob for 5 fletch.
@@zhickman338 that’s very interesting I will look into this!
The new great debate….
There is always something new to argue about in the archery world!
Agreed
Thank you for watching!
You could just add 4-6° helical on a 3” vane and achieve the same as the 4 fletch and not have as much drop / drag on a 4 fletch
The drag would be significantly increased! The arrow flight would be fantastic but your arrows would slow down very quickly! Thanks for sharing and watching!
Zingers .
Thanks for watching!