AMD keeps it's signature efficiency there with performance per watt, however it will have to start improving it as Intel is striking back with Lunar Lake while both r still far from what can be achieved with custom Arm SoCs like those from Apple for example. Only if Apple would have more games and gaming support on their platform, something what they r now building and what should come in the future. All Mx chips r performance per watt beasts getting better and better🦾 Nvidia is planning to come up with something as well together with Mediatek.
apu is great for mobile device their desktop is just pathetic they wont ever add more gpu core in desktop for some reason but these mobile device get all of them in smaller form factor
I already purchased a steamdeck,loaded it with a bunch of emulators, a bunch of games and it just sits in a closet collecting dust. Glad to see many of you still get excited over these portables and finding value. Great health and Happy gaming to all of you.
@@urboijash3955 yeah, I don't play with it much, it just sits there in a closet with all the accessories I bought for it. Sometimes I play with it for an hour or two, but back it goes into the closet not to be played again in days, weeks or even months.
@@urboijash3955 steam deck oled is king in terms of battery and screen, performance yes others beat it but whats the point if the battery is hardly an hour...
@@A2YU09 yes I have bought the original Steamdeck, the OLED Steamdeck, Roy ally z1 extreme, and the PlayStation portal and I have either returned or sold them all. I just cannot get into gaming on these.
100$? Like the price difference between the Rog Ally and Rog Ally X? Because where I'm from, the Rog Ally (z1 extreme) is 500$ new, and the rog ally x is 900$. I hope the prices will drop by november for black friday, but more than 200$ isn't worth it between the 2 for me.
I was a console player till the ally came out been on oc ever since. However if you have a good pc the ally is nothing more than a portable way to play your games and should not be your main rig. I'm planning on buying a desktop bc of this.
@coryvallad7578 not my main rig, last pc I made was in 2020 it was beefy at the time. Still a beast now because I used it to play VR games. But I love how I can play my other pc games not limited by Linux. Absolutely love Linux as a os though which is what I use my PI 5 for.
So I did indeed almost buy a rog ally when it was new! I’m still waiting until these bad boy hand helds become better! The progress does look promising
The battery is the biggest update. If you didn’t have an issue with the OG then no need to upgrade. You don’t get meaningful changes otherwise. $900 is a bit much and adding OLED would cost more.
Some people are upset about the price and comparisons to the Deck. The Deck is a system to move Emulators and Indies mainly. The Rog moves everything. Then about the price... Dude, they are giving you Double on almost everything... Battery, Ram, Storage... Do you also want the processor?? Well, nothing, €1200 then. Come go... They are raising the price by double that of almost everything, don't complain, it is VERY worth it just for €300 more. +50% RAM. +100% Battery. +100% Storage. + Hardware, Sound, Cooling and Ergonomics improvements. For €300 more... Try to do it yourself in your first version and see how much you get...
Yeah half the people think that Oled is a selling point yet they have never owned an oled device and the other half are Deck simps, what do you expect 😅
I've been wanting a handheld PC for ages. With this battery life, and my interests primarily in retro gaming and emulation, and maybe some Diablo VI and Titan Quest 2, this looks like the one to finally make me pull the trigger. Cheers for the deep dive Mr Prime :D
I was going to upgrade from the og ally to this one for that battery update and better grips but after getting the xg mobile 6850m for a good price I'll just wait for the next iteration.
I also got that same XGM. How much did you get it for? I got mine a little after the Ally launch for $600 like new. I was so close to getting the 4090 XGM during prime day for $1,500 but kinda bum that Asus is dropping support for it with the X. If the Ally 2 has it tho which I doubt plus a bigger screen for sure I will get the 4090 XGM tho. Hopefully by then it will only cost around $1,200 or so haha.
@volcalstone I also got it like new as well at around the same price range, I couldn't pass up on the deal and tbh it's been a great experience so far! The 6850m is a beast at 1440p. Honestly it is perplexing for me as well that they opt to not support the xgm on the x but for my use case of my i usually keep it plugged in anyway so I'll just update to the 4090 in a few years if need be or just wait for the rog ally 2!
@@demariogoings4295 the Ally and XGM setup is what I passed on to my daughter now as I recently picked up the Go again. I had it at launch but returned it due to the UI and it wasn't ready for primetime. ACSE on the Ally is perfect if you ask me and it's only getting better soon with the new update that is on the X now. I needed a bigger screen so I had to let go of the Ally. If it had a bigger screen I would still be playing on it. The Go is nicer for me overall but just like you I'm waiting for the Ally 2 with the Strix Point APU. Hopefully it will have a bigger screen, if not then I guess it will be something else. I love Asus stuff as I also have a 2022 Flow 16 so that was one of the other reasons why I picked up the XGM to use it on both devices. Of course the gains are bigger on the Ally while my laptop has a 130W 3060 which is around 10-20% less in performance than a 6850M XT. I love AMD for their CPUs but I'm more on the green team when it comes to the GPU. My first choice was the 3080 XGM but those were too expensive at that time. It was more expensive than my X16 Flow laptop alone! 😊 Either way good luck and I can't wait for next year when it comes to handhelds. Btw I barely use my custom 4090 rig anymore since I got back into the handheld game. I just found out that I like more portable stuff overall haha. I will still keep my rig tho as it's a nice show piece haha. I need to put something on my desk right? 😁
great review! Good to see that while it's an upgrade it's not a HUGE improvement over the original outside of battery life. A lot of the other fixes like battery and analog controls are simple change outs for a tinkerer which could easily save you $200. I was on the fence on getting the X or an older one and modding it and for my use case, older modded is the way to go.
There isn't any handhelds at this time. They will probably be a few maybe at CES. If not it will be mid-year instead of either showing it for the first time or it being available. So at the earliest another year from now.
I have a lenovo legion go and a steam deck and the only problem i have with my legion go is how i hold a controller i play with my hands in a double claw position and the legion go is not a handheld made for me its blocky and big but the steam deck has one of the best controller layouts for how i play i love my steam deck even tho its weaker i just wish there was something i can use as hard as my legion go i use that thing for tuning my car and actually is a productivity item and the rog ally seems like a trade off i can only play claw unless i use my index finger for the left joystick am pretty used to but i dont enjoy playing like that for a long period of time hopefully someone comes up with a steam deck layout but with the internals of this so i can play in peace but also use it as a productivity hog and work and for hobbies
10:30 the OG Ally is set to 4GB VRAM while the Ally X is set to 8GB VRAM. They should both have 8GB of VRAM set for a fair comparison, and leave the differences to the Ally X having faster and more system memory. The same for Cyberpunk at 10:52. Did you run all the tests like this? The graphics drivers are also not the same. The OG Ally is running the official AMD driver, while the Ally X is running the Asus graphics driver, which is older. There's too much inconsistency in your comparison benchmarks.
Removing the eGPU port shouldn't be much of an issue because the people using that port are presumably gaming plugged in just as much as using the ROG Ally for mobile gaming, it should be a safe assumption that the ROG Ally X won't see nearly as much desktop use as the v1 ROG Ally.
It would be awesome to see a video showing the performance of the Ally X when allocating different amounts of RAM to the VRAM! Also a video utilizing eGPUs, especially now that this has a thunderbolt port instead of the XG mobile one. Great video by the way! I’ve been waiting for the X to come out so I can get your perspective and experience with this before I buy 🫡🤝
I'm halfway through the review but I'm going to go ahead and predict it will be another Windows handheld review without showing suspend/resume with several games.
I want to take it but it pisses me off to have to transfer my 2 TB from my Z1 extreme. I don't have the motivation, I prefer to wait for the Rog Ally 2.
Only after watching this I realized the Ally x reminds me of the Sega Game gear. I guess it's good progress after 30 years considering this is a portable and powerful x86 computer-dream come true for pocketable PC. As a gaming device, i feel the progress a bit sluggish. The $800 asking price is a bit steep considering the only huge upgrade is the RAM. I guess next AMD APU and handhelds will cost more??
In Europe it costs €900 which is like $1000, so it's way too expensive for now... considering the original one had almost the same price at launch in EU and I got it at a sale recently for $350 😅 The best thing you could do is wait...
Why don't you use the full 8gb of vram as the extra vram and ram added will help with performance. Compare the ROG Ally X where it should benefit the upgrade, please.
even though the screen is 7in? it lacks the immersion for AAA games. i wouldn't get it if i was you, i would wait till they start producing 8.4in screens versions instead
@@draco2xxI agree with that statement but using the ROG ALLY for a year, it hasn’t bother me, but to play PC games on a handheld, 7” is the bare minimum and 8” is the sweet spot.
@@perezcoalten i don't think you've even experienced playing on a 8.4in screen before. i promise you, once you do you'll never go back to play on a 7in screen
The analog sticks seem to be smaller than the regular ones on the PS5 and Xbox controllers. I don't like the idea of the controllers being fixed to the screen; if you have any problems with the analogs, it will be complicated to fix.
may be i get a rog ally...i hav a rtx2060...which adapeter can i use to connect this gpu with the ally?tb4?m2?at alli expres i only find these m2 adapter kits...no tb3 o.4..???
Honestly with how the Rog ally is constantly on sale this is just not worth it. I have a full sized SSD inside my original Rog ally. Wait for the 2nd Ally
Worst part(s) about the original are thermal management and poor battery life. If either of those aren't an issue than going to get the X doesn't make much sense but seeing as some of you have eGPU's and multiple portable game consoles, both of which make zero sense either, then my reply likely doesn't make sense.
You should have upped the vram a litte to see what kind of performance boost that would give the games. Realistically you dont need 16 gb for the OS especially if dont have multiple tabs and apps open at once. I would have bumped it up to 12 and then left 12 for the OS plenty for both.....
Man ETA, I was hoping to see the usual racing games in your review. Since this device does very well with console emulation, rGT4 or Forza Horizon should run fully speed in performance mode. Crazy for a handheld to do that and still have more than reasonable battery life.
Been seeing reviews on best buy that some people have been having it not turn on at all even with it plugged in someone had the right trigger completely stop working after 30 mins but mostly the bad reviews were about how the battery will not hold a charge at all or it just won't turn on so take that as you will
2:15 They should not upgrade, it's not something worth spending that much more money into a company that can't even provide proper warranty support. And it's not yet on RDNA4 or Zen5 so it's not a performance upgrade too. It's way better to buy Steam Deck Oled in this price point.
Ik ppl talk bad about the lil cardboard stands, but honestly, its better than nothing The amount of times i have needed a stand for my deck and i have to use my phone stand all wobbly is crazy lol At least this one stands it up firmly and if u take care of it, it shouldnt rip or break
Hey ETA: My only question is this: Is there any reason you would know why they couldn't up the memory on the Original Ally to 7500 mt/s via firmware update? I ask because I own a few of the smaller Handheld brands like AoKZoe A1 Pro and they did exactly that. They shipped with lower speed ram and updated them later via over the air firmware update.
If that's true, the RAM in those handhelds you mentioned were already capable of that and were probably downlclocked for stability reasons until the companies decided they had a good mass market firmware to distribute. The ROG Ally's RAM is already functionally maxed out. If you want the new speed RAM on the old Ally, you'll have to solder better quality silicon capable of those speeds into it.
@@k3nsh1n4life+1 the ram in those handhelds were underclocked, they just updated it to the speed it was rated at our supposed to have been. I believe the OG Rog Ally can be physically upgraded with 32GB 7500mt ram but it's pretty involved, unless you can get a shop or someone to do it for you.
This revised version has 24GB of faster 7500MHz RAM, for 16GB System RAM and 8GB of GPU RAM, would it work well if configured to 18GB of System RAM and 6GB of GPU RAM? Would the TPU sweetspot of performance/battery life be 18Watts? Thank you in advanced.
Question about the Timespy results at 11:43… is that 17w,25, or plugged in 30w? I’m only getting something close to that when I’m plugged in on 30 with my Ally X.
Does this means that XG mobile GPUs are not supported on the new model? I saw that ROG Flow series is kinda discontinued from last year so this might mean the end for XG mobile 😢
try cachyos instead, bazzite currently has an installer issue where the screen is flipped and cut in half forcing you to need a dock and mouse to install correctly. Also cachyos comes with precompiled optimised linux kernals much newer than bazzite, amoungst many other tweaks. Cachy is based on Arch whereas Bazzite is based on Fedora Blue which is owned by RedHat and the less said about that company the better.
If you have the OG Ally already, then no point upgrading. If your in Steam Deck OG or OLED, the jump in performance is massive and the battery life is as good or better than OLED Steam Deck.
At higher wattages maybe, so if you want an hour battery life or play primarily docked. The deck still pumps this thing at low wattages dollar for dollar.
@@Mantennerno, the bigger battery size means that even at 25 watts it has comparable battery life to thw oled deck at 15 watts. And at 15 watts it has even more battery life The only area where the steam deck beats the ally is in inde games and the battery life on those.
Glad I didn't buy thr OG ROG Ally given the issues, thia one is an upgrade indeed and I can't wait o get it this December 2024 (ain't one of those who buy immediately given there will be update/iteration later on.
That's only the max charging speed. The amount of wattage the Z1E chip can pull remains the same. 100W means you can top off your device faster. 65W chargers are still enough to unlock the full potential of the Ally X.
@@k3nsh1n4lifeFast charging the device at 100W will degrade the battery quicker. Think I will stick to the 65W charger when I get mine, hopefully tomorrow.
@paulsegrue5133 good call! You can also enable battery care mode which will limit the maximum charge level to 80%, further increasing your battery's health
@@paulsegrue5133 unlikely, Asus will have tech to protect the battery, usually fast chargers slow down when you reach around 80% charge tip preserve the battery. I'm using a OnePlus phone with 80w charger and virtually zero percent battery degradation after about 2 years of daily fast charging at 80w.
It's gonna have the same iGPU 750M so not really end game specs if you ask me. That OLED doesn't even have VRR. It's gonna be a nice device for sure but my next upgrade won't be until the strix point APU.
@@n64slayer Trackpads are literally god tier for shooters and strategy games and any game that doesn’t natively support gamepads. Also the 8840u reks the 7840u at low and high tdp
It’s not a upgrade if u already have the original version rog ally it’s a refresh and rog should have made another model with 512gb for $599 maybe less ram and a 50 watt battery but at the selling point with the same screen and performance most people will pass and wait on the rog -ally 2 on about 1/2 years
Not upgrading from my SteamDeck 1TB OLED until I see a device that can play AAA on High Settings at 70FPS+. All these new devices still struggle to play AAA games and why spend the money when I already have a beefy PC and Laptop... I want the SteamDeck 2. That's what I am waiting for...
It's crazy how the windows handheld people are hyped by getting an extra 10-15fps over the SD oled lol. (With much worse battery life until this ally x arrived)
@@jondr Yeah.. I mean if there's people out there that don't have a good PC and don't already own a handheld. I get it. Maybe get the Ally X? But the UI on the steamdeck is what makes it hard for me to even consider going any other route. The SD is just superior with their track pads? Come on now...
This is little more than an advertisement. Just look at the comments regarding the Cyberpunk score comparison. A jump from 42.94fps to 44.69fps is apparently 'nice'. A whopping 1.75fps advantage. The ASUS Christmas bonus is going to be a good one this year. Any news on the appalling RMA processes?
I did have a question about the tests that you ran. On the OG Ally it shows the GPU as 780M. Does that mean you used different AMD drivers on the OG Ally?
Saturn pad has a dish style d-pad and is widely considered the best fighting game d-pad of all time. Cross type d-pads are only good for platformers. What are you talking about?...
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14:58 This part is really good to see performance per watt. Apu at 17 Watt is the highest efficiency and to get 3h+ on it is awesome
AMD keeps it's signature efficiency there with performance per watt, however it will have to start improving it as Intel is striking back with Lunar Lake while both r still far from what can be achieved with custom Arm SoCs like those from Apple for example. Only if Apple would have more games and gaming support on their platform, something what they r now building and what should come in the future. All Mx chips r performance per watt beasts getting better and better🦾 Nvidia is planning to come up with something as well together with Mediatek.
apu is great for mobile device
their desktop is just pathetic
they wont ever add more gpu core in desktop for some reason but these mobile device get all of them in smaller form factor
@@El.Duder-inoApple doesn't care for gaming
@@chriswright8074 Not anymore. Maybe u should look around first.
@@chriswright8074 Not anymore. Things have changed since M1.
I'm loving these PC gaming handhelds its just like playing PSP back in the day
got my normal ally z1 extreme for 447€ and im nearly always near a power plug, so im happy with that.
That doesn't make it portable do it? You could invest in a PD capable power bank to extend battery life.
Same here. I'll wait till is on sale 3 months from now
I'm glad they tightened up the thumb sticks. The ally felt way too 'loose'
I'm missing that robot playing and relaxing opening.
So retro
I already purchased a steamdeck,loaded it with a bunch of emulators, a bunch of games and it just sits in a closet collecting dust. Glad to see many of you still get excited over these portables and finding value. Great health and Happy gaming to all of you.
@@A2YU09 please give it to me if you don't use it🥲, I'm too poor to afford one
@@A2YU09 sits in your closet why? I am returning my ally x in favor of the steam deck
@@urboijash3955 yeah, I don't play with it much, it just sits there in a closet with all the accessories I bought for it. Sometimes I play with it for an hour or two, but back it goes into the closet not to be played again in days, weeks or even months.
@@urboijash3955 steam deck oled is king in terms of battery and screen, performance yes others beat it but whats the point if the battery is hardly an hour...
@@A2YU09 yes I have bought the original Steamdeck, the OLED Steamdeck, Roy ally z1 extreme, and the PlayStation portal and I have either returned or sold them all. I just cannot get into gaming on these.
$100 seems very fair for additional 512GB of SSD storage, 8GB of faster RAM, 80Wh battery and a USB4 port.
100$? Like the price difference between the Rog Ally and Rog Ally X? Because where I'm from, the Rog Ally (z1 extreme) is 500$ new, and the rog ally x is 900$. I hope the prices will drop by november for black friday, but more than 200$ isn't worth it between the 2 for me.
Waiting for mine. Was happy with my Z1 Extreme and havent touched my steamdeck since I got it.
Facts.. haven't touched my Steam Deck or gaming rig since i got an Ally
I was a console player till the ally came out been on oc ever since. However if you have a good pc the ally is nothing more than a portable way to play your games and should not be your main rig. I'm planning on buying a desktop bc of this.
@coryvallad7578 not my main rig, last pc I made was in 2020 it was beefy at the time. Still a beast now because I used it to play VR games. But I love how I can play my other pc games not limited by Linux. Absolutely love Linux as a os though which is what I use my PI 5 for.
I have a question for you why do you keep the Steamdeck if you never use it you could sell it and get a quick couple hundred bucks
@@coryvallad7578why not just dock it?
The video I have been waitinfg for. You my friend are my go to guy for this type of content.
would love to see the Ally X with Bazzite, as well as, with an eGPU (also while using Bazzite)
Got the new armory crate update yesterday. It runs so much smoother now.
It does very much I downloaded it earlier today on my OG Ally. Btw I don't have the Z1 Extreme
Waiting on FedEx😵💫
That Crowdstrike Windows issue is affecting deliveries so it might be delayed a bit
Waiting for Best Buy to open lol
@@MaxrepfitgmBRUH DON’T SAY THAT 😂😂
I already got mine !!! Arrived today😂
So I did indeed almost buy a rog ally when it was new! I’m still waiting until these bad boy hand helds become better! The progress does look promising
The battery is the biggest update. If you didn’t have an issue with the OG then no need to upgrade. You don’t get meaningful changes otherwise. $900 is a bit much and adding OLED would cost more.
It's $800.
@@sonichedgehog36 depends on where you live and it’s still not worth in the US.
Finally, a portable gaming system with some battery life. Steamdeck oled and this feel like the only sensible options
Some people are upset about the price and comparisons to the Deck.
The Deck is a system to move Emulators and Indies mainly. The Rog moves everything.
Then about the price... Dude, they are giving you Double on almost everything... Battery, Ram, Storage...
Do you also want the processor?? Well, nothing, €1200 then. Come go...
They are raising the price by double that of almost everything, don't complain, it is VERY worth it just for €300 more.
+50% RAM.
+100% Battery.
+100% Storage.
+ Hardware, Sound, Cooling and Ergonomics improvements.
For €300 more... Try to do it yourself in your first version and see how much you get...
Yeah half the people think that Oled is a selling point yet they have never owned an oled device and the other half are Deck simps, what do you expect 😅
I've been wanting a handheld PC for ages. With this battery life, and my interests primarily in retro gaming and emulation, and maybe some Diablo VI and Titan Quest 2, this looks like the one to finally make me pull the trigger. Cheers for the deep dive Mr Prime :D
I was going to upgrade from the og ally to this one for that battery update and better grips but after getting the xg mobile 6850m for a good price I'll just wait for the next iteration.
I also got that same XGM. How much did you get it for? I got mine a little after the Ally launch for $600 like new. I was so close to getting the 4090 XGM during prime day for $1,500 but kinda bum that Asus is dropping support for it with the X. If the Ally 2 has it tho which I doubt plus a bigger screen for sure I will get the 4090 XGM tho. Hopefully by then it will only cost around $1,200 or so haha.
@volcalstone I also got it like new as well at around the same price range, I couldn't pass up on the deal and tbh it's been a great experience so far! The 6850m is a beast at 1440p. Honestly it is perplexing for me as well that they opt to not support the xgm on the x but for my use case of my i usually keep it plugged in anyway so I'll just update to the 4090 in a few years if need be or just wait for the rog ally 2!
@@demariogoings4295 the Ally and XGM setup is what I passed on to my daughter now as I recently picked up the Go again. I had it at launch but returned it due to the UI and it wasn't ready for primetime. ACSE on the Ally is perfect if you ask me and it's only getting better soon with the new update that is on the X now. I needed a bigger screen so I had to let go of the Ally. If it had a bigger screen I would still be playing on it.
The Go is nicer for me overall but just like you I'm waiting for the Ally 2 with the Strix Point APU. Hopefully it will have a bigger screen, if not then I guess it will be something else.
I love Asus stuff as I also have a 2022 Flow 16 so that was one of the other reasons why I picked up the XGM to use it on both devices. Of course the gains are bigger on the Ally while my laptop has a 130W 3060 which is around 10-20% less in performance than a 6850M XT. I love AMD for their CPUs but I'm more on the green team when it comes to the GPU. My first choice was the 3080 XGM but those were too expensive at that time. It was more expensive than my X16 Flow laptop alone! 😊
Either way good luck and I can't wait for next year when it comes to handhelds. Btw I barely use my custom 4090 rig anymore since I got back into the handheld game. I just found out that I like more portable stuff overall haha. I will still keep my rig tho as it's a nice show piece haha. I need to put something on my desk right? 😁
Lets see him face off against the Legion Go please?
Thanks in advance.
@@cameronweston1038 it's got way better performance and battery life, but the graphics and refresh rate are better on the legion
Waiting for my preorder to arrive
@@Chubby_Ninja1 when are they going to ship the pre-orders 🥲
@@djyungpro should have been today
Every pc handheld should come with an 80watt battery, god dang
should also mention how hot is it?
does it burn your hand? in turbo?
great review! Good to see that while it's an upgrade it's not a HUGE improvement over the original outside of battery life. A lot of the other fixes like battery and analog controls are simple change outs for a tinkerer which could easily save you $200. I was on the fence on getting the X or an older one and modding it and for my use case, older modded is the way to go.
The thing is, why get this when Strix Point handhelds will be appearing in a few weeks?
Laptops will be 1st and then AMD will have to customize a chip for handheld's so it will be late next year.
@@malcaniscsm5184 next year
@malcaniscsm5184 Exactly why Asus had to release this late cycle refresh right now. It'll be discounted soon enough.
There isn't any handhelds at this time. They will probably be a few maybe at CES. If not it will be mid-year instead of either showing it for the first time or it being available. So at the earliest another year from now.
OneXPlayer will have a strix point out in a few months I'm willing to bet. They already have an 8840u X1 with a 10.9" VRR screen and 32g ram.
I have a lenovo legion go and a steam deck and the only problem i have with my legion go is how i hold a controller i play with my hands in a double claw position and the legion go is not a handheld made for me its blocky and big but the steam deck has one of the best controller layouts for how i play i love my steam deck even tho its weaker i just wish there was something i can use as hard as my legion go i use that thing for tuning my car and actually is a productivity item and the rog ally seems like a trade off i can only play claw unless i use my index finger for the left joystick am pretty used to but i dont enjoy playing like that for a long period of time hopefully someone comes up with a steam deck layout but with the internals of this so i can play in peace but also use it as a productivity hog and work and for hobbies
Amazing battery life! What a great piece of hardware
The battery life us a lot better. Comparable to the oled.
The rma process is fine in the uk if you buy froma normal store like currys.
10:30 the OG Ally is set to 4GB VRAM while the Ally X is set to 8GB VRAM. They should both have 8GB of VRAM set for a fair comparison, and leave the differences to the Ally X having faster and more system memory. The same for Cyberpunk at 10:52. Did you run all the tests like this?
The graphics drivers are also not the same. The OG Ally is running the official AMD driver, while the Ally X is running the Asus graphics driver, which is older.
There's too much inconsistency in your comparison benchmarks.
They make a steamdeck with more power and 32gigs of ram I'm buying it, but the Ally X has got me thinking instead of a onexplayer.
Removing the eGPU port shouldn't be much of an issue because the people using that port are presumably gaming plugged in just as much as using the ROG Ally for mobile gaming, it should be a safe assumption that the ROG Ally X won't see nearly as much desktop use as the v1 ROG Ally.
It would be awesome to see a video showing the performance of the Ally X when allocating different amounts of RAM to the VRAM! Also a video utilizing eGPUs, especially now that this has a thunderbolt port instead of the XG mobile one. Great video by the way! I’ve been waiting for the X to come out so I can get your perspective and experience with this before I buy 🫡🤝
I'm halfway through the review but I'm going to go ahead and predict it will be another Windows handheld review without showing suspend/resume with several games.
Should be no different than a laptop.
Windows is so bad. 😊
New fav channel? Yup!
Its not worth it for existing Ally Z1E owners to upgrade to the Ally X, waiting for next gen SOCs for this form factor
I want to take it but it pisses me off to have to transfer my 2 TB from my Z1 extreme. I don't have the motivation, I prefer to wait for the Rog Ally 2.
If u already own a Ally z1 extreme, it is really not worth the upgrade. Just wait for Ally 2 so you dont kick yourself after a year or two.
hopefully the next revision is a little smaller, same screen size but smaller overall. battery could be something in between the two rog ally devices
I beg to differ the bigger back button is more comfortable and you can rest your fingers while holding the ally.
If you dont have one, why even speak on it? lol
No its not do you even have one? 😂
the normal ally feels like shit to hold. I have had one since it released and I never feel comfortable holding it.
@@Peraliq after having the new one, it is a understatement on how much more comfortable the ally x is, huge improvement.
imagine if these things have touchscreen to type on or even a qwerty slide out or on the back
its literally a full portable pc
they do have a touch screen
It is a touchscreen lol
Only after watching this I realized the Ally x reminds me of the Sega Game gear. I guess it's good progress after 30 years considering this is a portable and powerful x86 computer-dream come true for pocketable PC. As a gaming device, i feel the progress a bit sluggish.
The $800 asking price is a bit steep considering the only huge upgrade is the RAM. I guess next AMD APU and handhelds will cost more??
Massive L for us who preordered from JB HiFi in Western Australia, came in to pick up mine today but was told that they dont have the units on hand.
In Europe it costs €900 which is like $1000, so it's way too expensive for now... considering the original one had almost the same price at launch in EU and I got it at a sale recently for $350 😅
The best thing you could do is wait...
Really tough to compete with steamdeck on pricing. Ally X is clearly better, but is it $150-250 better?
Why don't you use the full 8gb of vram as the extra vram and ram added will help with performance. Compare the ROG Ally X where it should benefit the upgrade, please.
Can you test out the ROG Gaming NUC next to see if Manjaro Linux works, especially with the NVIDIA drivers?
I shall be purchasing this soon
even though the screen is 7in? it lacks the immersion for AAA games. i wouldn't get it if i was you, i would wait till they start producing 8.4in screens versions instead
@@draco2xx the 7 inch doesn't bother me
@@draco2xxI agree with that statement but using the ROG ALLY for a year, it hasn’t bother me, but to play PC games on a handheld, 7” is the bare minimum and 8” is the sweet spot.
@@perezcoalten i don't think you've even experienced playing on a 8.4in screen before. i promise you, once you do you'll never go back to play on a 7in screen
@@draco2xx this is a handheld. We don’t need a big @ss screen. 7 is perfect😊
The analog sticks seem to be smaller than the regular ones on the PS5 and Xbox controllers. I don't like the idea of the controllers being fixed to the screen; if you have any problems with the analogs, it will be complicated to fix.
may be i get a rog ally...i hav a rtx2060...which adapeter can i use to connect this gpu with the ally?tb4?m2?at alli expres i only find these m2 adapter kits...no tb3 o.4..???
Honestly with how the Rog ally is constantly on sale this is just not worth it. I have a full sized SSD inside my original Rog ally. Wait for the 2nd Ally
I'm guessing the ROG Ally X will also have heavy sales in the future too
Worst part(s) about the original are thermal management and poor battery life. If either of those aren't an issue than going to get the X doesn't make much sense but seeing as some of you have eGPU's and multiple portable game consoles, both of which make zero sense either, then my reply likely doesn't make sense.
@@Patrick-y4d1z by that time the ally 2 will be out
@@dj4monie not to me. I play mine plugged in on the sofa and have had 0 thermal issues
Any thoughts on a good mobile hotspot for this?
With Strix Point 3 weeks away I don't get what's the point in a 900€ 2023 chip equipped handheld
Honestly the next computer I buy Ill be one of these with an EGPU. Can you run VR games with a gpu?
You should have upped the vram a litte to see what kind of performance boost that would give the games. Realistically you dont need 16 gb for the OS especially if dont have multiple tabs and apps open at once. I would have bumped it up to 12 and then left 12 for the OS plenty for both.....
Man ETA, I was hoping to see the usual racing games in your review. Since this device does very well with console emulation, rGT4 or Forza Horizon should run fully speed in performance mode. Crazy for a handheld to do that and still have more than reasonable battery life.
Been seeing reviews on best buy that some people have been having it not turn on at all even with it plugged in someone had the right trigger completely stop working after 30 mins but mostly the bad reviews were about how the battery will not hold a charge at all or it just won't turn on so take that as you will
2:15 They should not upgrade, it's not something worth spending that much more money into a company that can't even provide proper warranty support. And it's not yet on RDNA4 or Zen5 so it's not a performance upgrade too. It's way better to buy Steam Deck Oled in this price point.
Ik ppl talk bad about the lil cardboard stands, but honestly, its better than nothing
The amount of times i have needed a stand for my deck and i have to use my phone stand all wobbly is crazy lol
At least this one stands it up firmly and if u take care of it, it shouldnt rip or break
The screen aspect ratio is my issue. Also the size of the screen.
@@arzayus84 yep oled wins
They should have increased the size for sure
Is there a hard disk that emulates old and new games in a size of 500g that you recommend purchasing through the Aliexpress application?
Does the memory assigned to the GPU really make a difference?
Will the Ally X fit in the same travel case as the OG Ally?
probably yes
I heard it doesn’t on some cases
@@OMGdidyouJuStSeeDAT Won't fit in the ROG Ally travel case? I just got mine two months ago but I have just the Z1 not the Extreme.
11:07 vram on both the allys are different from 4gb and 8gb so not much of a fair comparison
Watching people review something I can’t own is not my thing anymore. From PCs to handhelds and more. I’m not into it anymore. Rich people man.
Cool story bro. Why can't you?
Please do a egpu video with benchmarks for the rog ally x
Hey ETA: My only question is this: Is there any reason you would know why they couldn't up the memory on the Original Ally to 7500 mt/s via firmware update? I ask because I own a few of the smaller Handheld brands like AoKZoe A1 Pro and they did exactly that. They shipped with lower speed ram and updated them later via over the air firmware update.
If that's true, the RAM in those handhelds you mentioned were already capable of that and were probably downlclocked for stability reasons until the companies decided they had a good mass market firmware to distribute. The ROG Ally's RAM is already functionally maxed out. If you want the new speed RAM on the old Ally, you'll have to solder better quality silicon capable of those speeds into it.
@@k3nsh1n4life+1 the ram in those handhelds were underclocked, they just updated it to the speed it was rated at our supposed to have been. I believe the OG Rog Ally can be physically upgraded with 32GB 7500mt ram but it's pretty involved, unless you can get a shop or someone to do it for you.
I'm loving mine so far! I have the original one!
This revised version has 24GB of faster 7500MHz RAM, for 16GB System RAM and 8GB of GPU RAM, would it work well if configured to 18GB of System RAM and 6GB of GPU RAM? Would the TPU sweetspot of performance/battery life be 18Watts? Thank you in advanced.
Question about the Timespy results at 11:43… is that 17w,25, or plugged in 30w? I’m only getting something close to that when I’m plugged in on 30 with my Ally X.
It's a miracle he did a comparison between to devices. I never thought this would happen. I wish this would happen more often😂
LMAO RIGHT!
Does this means that XG mobile GPUs are not supported on the new model?
I saw that ROG Flow series is kinda discontinued from last year so this might mean the end for XG mobile 😢
he said it in the video....
Going to put bazzite on mine
try cachyos instead, bazzite currently has an installer issue where the screen is flipped and cut in half forcing you to need a dock and mouse to install correctly. Also cachyos comes with precompiled optimised linux kernals much newer than bazzite, amoungst many other tweaks. Cachy is based on Arch whereas Bazzite is based on Fedora Blue which is owned by RedHat and the less said about that company the better.
If you have the OG Ally already, then no point upgrading. If your in Steam Deck OG or OLED, the jump in performance is massive and the battery life is as good or better than OLED Steam Deck.
At higher wattages maybe, so if you want an hour battery life or play primarily docked.
The deck still pumps this thing at low wattages dollar for dollar.
@@Mantennerno, the bigger battery size means that even at 25 watts it has comparable battery life to thw oled deck at 15 watts. And at 15 watts it has even more battery life
The only area where the steam deck beats the ally is in inde games and the battery life on those.
Asus Bot
@@oo--7714 bigger battery still means minimum battery life is 100 minutes compared to 150 minutes of the deck OLED
@@Mantennerdon’t forget the deck isn’t compatible with all games and it large size isn’t convenient
cyberpunk high settings 1080p without any upscale and it runs over 30fps???? that's insane.
i am interested to see how it fairs once valve makes a rog ally compatible version of steamos.
Minor refresh if you own the og ally. Waiting to see if the microSD card reader issue is fixed.
It has been, have you been lost the last couple months?
@@n64slayer fixed on the ally x? It isn't official out yet, where from the future are you from? 🤔 😂
Weird, why no egpu test with the X? We had the normal review already didnt we
Glad I didn't buy thr OG ROG Ally given the issues, thia one is an upgrade indeed and I can't wait o get it this December 2024 (ain't one of those who buy immediately given there will be update/iteration later on.
Great video as always keep it up 👍
Better than expected!
With lcd 7.0 screen it's just all z1 just with bigger ram.and bettery unlike steam deck oled wasn't just different ram and screen
OLED doesn't important when we have huge battery and VRR
If only oleds got vrr support
@@detectivefischer6396 OLED with VRR not happen soon since it's will increase the price if they put it
@@DanterNero I mean if it were an external solution (another company sells it and you have to install it yourself), I wouldn't mind
@@detectivefischer6396 if it popular then there will 3rd party company esp from china can offer that
For the last f###### time OLED ON A HANDHELD IS NOT A SELLING POINT look how many people bought the psvita just because it was oled, oh wait, NOBODY
No one besides phaux has talked about the vram with gaming and had it set to 8gv when testing games
Can I hook two external monitors? I plan to use this as my main comouting unit 😅
I saw something about 100w chargers and the device using that instead of 65w. Think you could do some benchmarks on that if it is a thing?
That's only the max charging speed. The amount of wattage the Z1E chip can pull remains the same. 100W means you can top off your device faster. 65W chargers are still enough to unlock the full potential of the Ally X.
@@k3nsh1n4lifeFast charging the device at 100W will degrade the battery quicker. Think I will stick to the 65W charger when I get mine, hopefully tomorrow.
@paulsegrue5133 good call! You can also enable battery care mode which will limit the maximum charge level to 80%, further increasing your battery's health
@@k3nsh1n4life Yes I only charge to 80% on my Ally and I also do the the same on my phone.
@@paulsegrue5133 unlikely, Asus will have tech to protect the battery, usually fast chargers slow down when you reach around 80% charge tip preserve the battery. I'm using a OnePlus phone with 80w charger and virtually zero percent battery degradation after about 2 years of daily fast charging at 80w.
What makes this stand out over a Steam Deck? Quite curious because I want to compare and snag something but I am conflicted.
That you can actually play AAA titles with decent fps unlike deck
Bigger battery, more ram, newer cpu, bigger screen with vrr. Run on window, which can bgood or bad
@@bskiy you still can’t play Returnal at a playable framerate even on this
@@brandon_nopeI don't think anyone wants to play that game let alone on a handheld
with eGPU GPD G1 review? How OK is the stuff with the asus amd drivers and 7600m?
when you did your fps comparison did you still have your 8gb dedicated to the gpu?
The zotac zone can’t come soon enough. 8840u, oled, hall effect sticks, track pads, ENDGAME!
It's gonna have the same iGPU 750M so not really end game specs if you ask me. That OLED doesn't even have VRR. It's gonna be a nice device for sure but my next upgrade won't be until the strix point APU.
Bro the 8840u is almost worse than the 7840u, and trackpads are worthless, I have never heard someone willingly using them when a mouse exists 💀
@@n64slayer Trackpads are literally god tier for shooters and strategy games and any game that doesn’t natively support gamepads. Also the 8840u reks the 7840u at low and high tdp
2:20 hours with cyberpunk is actually really good I want one now if only that screen was OLED
It’s not a upgrade if u already have the original version rog ally it’s a refresh and rog should have made another model with 512gb for $599 maybe less ram and a 50 watt battery but at the selling point with the same screen and performance most people will pass and wait on the rog -ally 2 on about 1/2 years
I would love to see a test on mmorpg, such as FF14 (or Wow) , just to see how it handle battery life with this kind of games
Not upgrading from my SteamDeck 1TB OLED until I see a device that can play AAA on High Settings at 70FPS+. All these new devices still struggle to play AAA games and why spend the money when I already have a beefy PC and Laptop... I want the SteamDeck 2. That's what I am waiting for...
It's crazy how the windows handheld people are hyped by getting an extra 10-15fps over the SD oled lol. (With much worse battery life until this ally x arrived)
@@jondr Yeah.. I mean if there's people out there that don't have a good PC and don't already own a handheld. I get it. Maybe get the Ally X? But the UI on the steamdeck is what makes it hard for me to even consider going any other route. The SD is just superior with their track pads? Come on now...
This is little more than an advertisement. Just look at the comments regarding the Cyberpunk score comparison. A jump from 42.94fps to 44.69fps is apparently 'nice'. A whopping 1.75fps advantage. The ASUS Christmas bonus is going to be a good one this year.
Any news on the appalling RMA processes?
I did have a question about the tests that you ran. On the OG Ally it shows the GPU as 780M. Does that mean you used different AMD drivers on the OG Ally?
Can you test eGPU and the SD card? Since it only has 40gb bandwidth what will be the recomended gpu.
What third party options are there out there to improve performance. You mentioned this around @13:31
I remember him using custom voltages and stuff in an older video idk which one though
Saturn pad has a dish style d-pad and is widely considered the best fighting game d-pad of all time. Cross type d-pads are only good for platformers. What are you talking about?...
wait. i can finally get more than 45 min battery life? TAKE MY GODDAMN MONEY
This mid gen refresh as you call it, sounds a lot more like a 'fix to known issues' correction. 😅
Is it the ASUS Rog ally extreme Z1 still worth it?
That SDcard location though still on top.