Prismatic Proves Old Subclasses Need Buffs
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Destiny is at its best when MANY things are viable and balanced, not just a handful. The final shape introduced an imbalance. This imbalance is fun for a season but not for the rest of Destiny’s life span. Unfortunately, bungies history dictates that this may be difficult if not impossible to resolve it with everyone happy, but this video will examine some ideas to fix this power creep problem.
Destiny 2's Prismatic Subclasses: Overpowered or Just Right? How to Fix the Balance Crisis!
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Prismatic is not OP, my only solar build for hunter... i consider it the most op so i'm not even in need of prismatic
@@Chrisonix_la_furra I also almost always use my solar hunter over my prism hunter
Honest and fair for who? And why.. why do yall always make it yall business to literally point out things that have no business even mentioning.. like geez it’s like yall running out of dumb ideas to talk about ..
you are one of the few informed opinions out there, who makes an effort to break down every side of a story and offer a balanced solution, even if it would be unpopular.
While the overall power is bit hot in prismatic you pointed out a better issue. Too many of the base subclasses only have one or two powerful options in a slot where other options are trash, so when you put all of those together you can just pick the best choices all around when using prismatic. I’d happily accept a couple of nerfs just because I can use melees, grenades, and supers that I like instead of compromising some of those choices for another.
I think a nerf to the uptime of transcendence is the obvious nerf to prismatic. I could see a pass on decreasing the timers or effectiveness of some of the buffs in prismatic especially when stacked (something along the lines of gaining 80-90% effectiveness of “armor” buffs when you’re using multiple to tone down some of the invulnerability). But more importantly, prismatic is a class where there are more than one good options in a given slot, which is just NOT the case for the base classes. I think reinvesting in the base classes and letting a bit of that slip back into prismatic is the better play.
Perfect examples, Strand rope dart and Combination blow are two of the best melees in the game, and they both have ZERO competition in their base classes. Removing an option from prismatic is basically a nonstarter so you have to work with what is there but honestly a combination of nerfs and buffs within prismatic will do wonders.
ps: also making gunpowder gamble require solar kills is cruel and against the spirit of prismatic
"replace 3 shot goldie with 6 shot goldie"
Ok officer arrest this man and put him in the physch ward. He shouldve said blade barrage
@@dakotadonde2432 blade barrage isn’t actually that bad, especially since the class items for Hunter actually Feature Galanor in the pool.
@@theaceofnoobs9377 But you don't get enhanced BB like on solar
I’m with you there, I wish we could use blade barrage cause sure the precision golden gun works with celestial nighthawk but that’s the only way it’s truly good
The worst thing about the MIDA-multitool is that it has troll smashing capabilities but we only have ogres to shoot at.
Makinbg MIDA craftable would go crazy, imagine it with Kinetic Tremors or Firefly.
I think the largest issue at its core was pulling aspects from other classes wholesale instead of creating distinct versions of them like they did with fragments
Yeah and certain aspects should've been thought over, I main hunter and the only things I think about when I see threaded specter is "this is kinda annoying in pvp", and "they could've given us so many cooler things". Double grenades would've been the safe route. Whirling maelstrom might've power crept strand in pve a little and been difficult to implement but it wouldn't have been such an issue in pvp.
@@bekfistwolf8248Now I kinda wish they’d made a custom animation to combo Ascendance and Ensnaring Slam instead of going with Threaded.
@@bekfistwolf8248 I think the clone was the way to go. I would have liked 2 nades, but the clone fits with my power fantasy for hunter.
Not to mention taking some of the strongest aspects, like who THE FUCK thought it was a good idea to give prismatic warlock devour, bleakeatcher, and nova bomb, and hell for PvP youve got blink as well in 1 swing Bungie murdered both voidlock and stasislock, like why play them AT ALL?
@@flamingscar5263 eh, I still love my little Void Buddy, especially with the exotic gloves for it. If Child of the Old gods ever gets put on prismatic, THEN voidlock is officially dead
Bungie: We hear you, we’ll be nerfing prismatic titan.
That would be so on brand for them atm
i wouldnt even be surprised at this point
it’s sad because it’s true
We are nerfing Consecration by putting a cooldown timer on consecration to limit how many consecrations you can do in a row.
@@NecroAsphyxiaTitan melee is too strong so it needs a nerf.... (I'M KIDDING. All last year this was the fix for everything. Titans would get good melee build and they would be nerfed into the ground.)
I understand the transcendence change, but if the rest of changes were implemented I’d never touch prismatic. Having a class with all of the worst abilities… why would anyone use it? Niche abilities is what it’s meant for, but bad abilities that don’t synergies would just feel bad
Welcome to prismatic Titan!! 😅
@@joshuabenitez3260 was gonna say this lmao. I’d much rather have sol invictus or roaring flames as opposed to consecration😂
@@CT-7274 yeah I agree with this, especially with the proposed chances to the prismatic hunter set up of removing combination blow, and changing GPG to only work with solar weapons and debuffs, that sort removes almost all build possibilities and makes me ask why would I ever pick that subclass?
While I somewhat agree with the sentiment, I respectfully disagree with most of the subclass related changes you suggest.
Speaking strictly from a PvE standpoint:
Making Transcendence harder to get is... fine but if it were to to be only when your super were active would severely impact the gameplay loop of prismatic and make it feel terrible. Buffing prismatic to compensate would just make the problem worse as, seeing how powerful it is right now would only work to make powercreep worse
Prismatic Hunter:
3 shot Goldie is NOT soloing the witness, That's celestial nighthawk and Still Hunt doing most of the work (which got nerfed recently) Changing the prismatic super to 6 shot Goldie would basically put in the same spot as Stormtrance on prismatic warlock. It would be completely unused.
The changes to mono subclasses you mention are fine but honestly wouldn't move the needle too much.
Arcstrider is currently completely overshadowed by Pris Hunter so changing combo blow to disorienting blow seems like a valid change, but this comes with the problem of making winter's shroud obsolete (least used aspect on stasis hunter in PvE)
Prismatic Warlock:
The reason people play Voidwalker is not for cataclysm nova, it's for devour. (or blink :) ) What makes cataclysm so strong on Pris Warlock is the Star-eater on your exotic class item. The best DPS on mono warlock is Needle storm with evolution and ascent. What makes Pris Warlock basically negate Voidwalker is the fact that it does devour better, which i guess could be brought in line by making Feed the Void only as strong as devour on titans and hunters.
Stormcaller isn't as bad as people say it is. Sure the supers need help but it is the most ability spam subclass without exotics on warlock. Vesper is a GM level build and Fallen Sunstar is very noticeably potent. The strongest aspect on Stormcaller is Electrostatic mind which enables the ability spam, NOT Lightning surge which was considered the weakest until prismatic gave it devour and Synthos from the class item. Arc souls do not need significant buffs, its 50% of the reason Getaway artist is the meta build on warlock right now and it's what makes the Vesper build GM viable. Sure you could buff the damage slightly on the mono subclass but giving it jolting explosions would be too much.
Prismatic Titan:
Adding into the fray would be fine if it weren't for knockout existing. Each of the Prismatic Kits has 1 aspect for sustain, Feed the Void, Stylish Executioner and Knockout. Adding into the fray would be redundant since it would be a less potent version of knockout since it requires you to have tangles, (making it work with any elemental pickup would be busted) and make it dead on arrival.
Class Items:
Having the exotics only have the weakest part of their host exotics would completely negate the point of them in the first place. The "spirit" of the exotic is to add a bit of the core gameplay loop of their originals. The example of Spirit of Star-Eaters is actually a good argument against this. its the ONLY way a warlock or titan can keep their burst supers in competition with Celestial or Star-Eaters on Hunters.
Overall, while I agree that mono subclasses shouldn't be left behind I feel you should take a step back and look at how the individual aspects of the subclass work with each other before coming to conclusions of what needs to be changed. Nerfing, buffing and swapping things individually might seem fine, until you take a step back.
The problems with prismatic and mono subclasses are more nuanced than nerfs and buffs and come down to the main design philosophy behind them which has its problems, Prismatic titans being a great example.
I'd argue that Arcstrider is not overshadowed by Prismatic (outside of Transcendence), but I do think that it's functionally too similar. It's actually one of my biggest complaints for Hunter Prismatic, most of the builds (prior to the class items) kind of just feel like a variant of stuff they already could do.
I personally think a major benefit to Voidwalker is also the Child of the Old Gods aspect. Void buddy is such a nice tool, and I can't help but love the Briar Binds gameplay loop.
Hard agree with your Stormcaller take, too many people really don't understand the subclass's power. Although I personally prefer Crown of Tempest over Fallen Sunstar (it's the only reason I think Stormtrance is fine as is, although Chaos Reach is cheeks).
I think Prismatic Titan needs something like Roaring Flames (assuming it was adjusted to be for any element). Unfortunately, Consecration took its spot as the weaker, yet significantly more fun option.
When it comes to the exotic spirits, I just think all applicable exotics should simply have some sort of noteworthy bonus added to them (unless they already have one). Like seriously, orb generation / a slight amount of HP on melee elimination is not enough of a difference (also, lmao Wormhusk being 1 for 1 the same).
Great comment dude, I really hope TDT sees this. This really does encapsulate everything wrong with the idea of just nerfing Prismatic imo.
Bungie said themselves they wanted Prismatic to feel broken
they want it to *feel* broken
they didnt say they want it to be the only practical choice
yeah thays good but why would I ever use another subclass besides being forced to for like a triumph or something? then that just feels like I'm being nerfed to do a chore, not fun!!!
They said that in the titan s cation too T-T
I just want my titan to feel as strong as the warlocks and hunters.
I still make frequent use of non-Prismatic classes on my hunter. Prismatic doesn't give me double grapples or shackle grenades that reload my weapons on use like Strand does. Prismatic doesn't give me healing grenades to assist my allies with and a strong damage and ad clear super that I can get back up in a matter of seconds with the right setup (blade barrage + shards) like Solar does. Prismatic doesn't give me incredibly high invis up time without the need of a kill like Void does (and it can be helpful in harder content like GMs to be able to go invis at will rather than needing a weak enemy neaby to proc invis off of, which isn't always available). So there are plenty of answers to the question, "Why not prismatic?" These are all builds I still rotate between depending on what I'm doing, alongside my prismatic builds.
Prismatic doesn't give my Warlock electrostatic mind, or iceflare bolts, or touch of flame. It doesn't give my Titan banner of war or into the fray, or sol invictus or touch of thunder. TDT really out here saying mono subclasses are irrelevant because "they can't do anything prismatic doesn't already do better" when he's literally, objectively wrong.
@@frostwendigo7646 lets be real thoug.... would anyone pick arc for Touch of Thunder over Prismatic... or Electrostatic Mind over everything Prismatic offers? Sol Invictus, Banner of War, and stasis as a whole i think ARE distinct enough from Prismatic though to offer compelling reasont to play them. Like the Strand Warlock with the new Chest Piece is very distinct from the Prismatic Version as it has Mindspun Evocation and far more interplay with Suspnd like Thread of Continunity vs the Prismatic version which is far worse at suspending. And with stasis, Prismatic just doesnt have the combo potential that both Behemoth and stasis warlock have (Stasis with Iceflare bolts and Behemoth with stasis shards). but when it comes to the light subclasses? Prismatic does he things arc does but better with very little cost. Same with Prismatic warlock vs Arc Warlock (you gget 3 od the slide melees and buff them with Necrotic+synoths, or you get arc buddy with the added benefit havin devour to get it back almost immediately)
To me the only hunter subclass invalidated by prismatic is Stasis.
Particularly and specifically for pvp, you can run Duskfield, Mask of Bakris, Silence and Squall, Winter's Shroud, and then just replace the useless shurikens with Threaded Spike and have a better stasis hunter in basically all aspects.
There's nothing that stasis hunter has over prismatic of significant value over prismatic in pvp specifically, with exception of the minor benefit of having Shatterdive's movement - but prismatic has ascension and blink from Arc instead, so its not without its movement tool equivalent.
In pve, revenants have grenade builds specifically of use over prismatic because of enhanced grenades. But that's it, and its not that prismatic can't do them, its just that they're worse.
And, in pve, you can do a slow+freeze MELEE build on prismatic that is incredibly potent with winter's shroud + combination blow and liar's handshake. And still makes full use of the subclass verbs of stasis. However, the playstyle is very different and the areas where its strengths lie are very different, so I don't see that as a problem beyond shurikens being horrible.
An actual useful comment? Under a Destiny video. No way. Invis hunter will always be better in a GM than prismatic. But Prismatic will be better for Raid DPS. The right tools for the right job. This playerbase is kinda challenged, I am not even joking.
Lowkey the ascension build with gifted conviction is 1000% better on arc with flow state. I can spam out ascension which gives galvanic and a max of 50% dr on top of my resilience and it stuns overloads and clears rooms. Wayyy better on arc than on prismatic, imo I get it’s strong but let’s be real it’s still super new and everything is catering to it rn
what reason is there to run non-prismatic classes? fun, that’s the reason
prismatic can’t use heat rises, prismatic can’t use blade barrage, prismatic can’t shatter skate, prismatic can’t give all the homies a lil arc buddy
deal breaker, i wanna play like an absolute goblin and if that means playing suboptimally then so be it
Prismatic can't set my fists on fire... instant deal breaker.
primatic titan no gives a lot of green crayon
Does Prismatic have beyblades? Didn't think so.
you will walk back on those words as soon as you want to do GMs or trials
@@derpzone7425 damn guess it’s illegal to swap to a meta build when doing stuff that demands you play optimally and swap back to the goofy fun shit when you’re finished
I am of the opinion that prismatic was overall not the best choice for the “new subclass” for final shape. This video shows and explains a lot of the reasons for that. I honestly feel like a 3rd darkness subclass, while not carrying the same weight in terms of story, would have been better for the game overall.
As one of the only eternal warrior titan players, i wholeheartedly agree with swapping thundercrash for fists of havoc on prismatic.
Eternal warrior is pretty fun with fists of havoc but the super itself is just way too short
taking stuff away feels incredibly bad though so they won't do it. it'll cause a total nightmare for them
The issue is then the "Titan supers are all the smae thing in different colors" becomes INCREDIBLY apparant. Having the Stasis super, the strand super, AND fists of havoc on the same subclass really shows a "Do you want to punch in Blue, Ice Blue, or Green?"
@@NecroAsphyxia Maybe punch at range with hammers in Orange?
@@angelousmortis8041 at least hammer is SOMEWHAT different… but fist of havoc, blade fury, and Glacial Quake are all VERY similar to each other
If they just bumped the fragment slots on the original 5, it would close the gap a lot. The only thing stopping me from continuing to main Voidlock is that I can even have serviceability. Or I can have maximum purple goo.
I don’t want prismatic nerfed. Prismatic feels good. GMs being dangerous but able to be completed in 12 to 25 minutes with a solid team feels good. I want the other classes brought up.
this is the best suggestion in the comment section gg
They need a transcendent type ability for example on a solar subclass getting solar/kinetic kills fills up a similar bar but instead of 50/50 it’s 1 bar to fill and you get the same benefits like increased ability energy and a little dmg buff
I kinda had a similar idea, but with two alterations. 1. Kinetic damage wouldn't charge the bar, only elemental damage matching your subclass element. Kinetic weapons already charge your super faster. 2. Instead of the kinda boring recharge and damage buff that Prismatic gets, make the Transcendence for each subclass be super powerful and unique, with each unique Transcendence having synergy with all of the subclass verbs for that element. That would, in turn, buff up the monochromatic subclasses, and give people a reason to play them over their Prismatic subclass.
I remember there being a Vidoc or something where they said there would eventually be "no subclasses," instead you just pick whatever abilities you want. Prismatic feels like a limited version of this, so I've been thinking it's a trial run to see how the community likes it, get some data to see what needs to be buffed/nerfed when used with one another, etc.
So either pure subclasses need a buff to their damage outputs, or we need to roll it all into one "Infinite Prismatic" and allow the selection of all abilities and Aspects, plus add in new fragments to add in all the perks that don't yet exist in Prismatic base.
I take issue with one thing. The idea that that "less than optimal is not fun."
I contend that optimally doesn't make fun, it just makes it the best. To be fun it must be VIABLE. All the other subclasses are still viable to a degree. Some more so than others to the point where I say those under performers are in desperate need of a buff but I wouldn't say they're not inherently fun, especially when fun is ultimately subjective.
Sometimes...we end up optimizing the fun out of the game entirely because having fun isn't going to clear a boss in the least amount of phases possible.
Players have been complaining about feeling weak for years. Don’t nerf prismatic. Buff the other subclasses.
What? We’ve been hilariously powerful since buildcrafting was expanded
Who has been complaining we’ve been getting weaker
Watch the whole video
We haven't been complaining about that in years. It's been quite the opposite in fact. The power creep has been gradual but massive over the last couple of years. More people are complaining about things becoming too easy due to power creep.
@@TDTProductions bro, you're probably one of those guys,that get it... Glad you're taking the effort,sadly ,the majority dont understand it at the lvl we are on.. and that makes me sad. Hopefully these videos,can help them realise that they need step over their own personal walls.
Just wanted to point out that facet of dominance being -10 discipline while echo of undermining is -20 while also being for only one type of grenade is questionnable.
Void is the subclass with the most negative stat-affecting fragment when solar which is far better all-around, also has the most positive stat fragments.
Fragment stat balancing should kinda be reviewed for some classes.
I'm aware this isn't a big impactful change but i feel like this could help some subclass.
Transcendence for every subclass each one has their own unique grenade and can only be charged with the element of your subclass
You might be on to something…
I was thinking like a unique ability for each subclass and keep transcendence unique to prismatic
I was thinking just use the "touch" aspect grenades of whatever you have on, so it doesn't mess with you if you have on heal nade or something
What if the prismatic grenade had different effects for each element and you could change them depending on which element your grenade and melee are?
@@ringomandingo1015 but then the exclusiveness of having a special tracendence only available from using the 5 subclasses would be gone and we need to make the light and dark subclasses better to have a reason to not run prismatic
Everything I completely agree with but a point that stood out to me with the old Exotic weapons was the lord of wolves buffing shotguns as well as giving it the spread the fallen captians have. This would probably go insane with the DSC taniks boss with slug shotguns. I'd love to see this exotic get used more because its design is so cool and it gives the fantasy of taking a gun from a defeated enemy.
I know this would be a very hot take, but I had the idea of Prismatic being the only subclass (let it access ALL of the other subclass abilities for a given class). HOWEVER! Make it where the overall power of the abilities is weaker (like how exotic class items use only portions of other exotic functions).
The only way to restore abilities to FULL functionality for an element is to equip all one type of ability element (like healing grenades only Curex1 until you use ALL Solar abilities, giving it restoration and whatnot).
This way, Prismatic is a weaker Swiss Army knife while keeping "monochromatic subclasses" as the way to make a particular element shine.
I feel like that's what they did by limiting your options to one of each element, but even with this there's optimally better loadouts no matter what
Not really a hot take, it’s The Rumor for what the future of Destiny is moving towards
@@EliteBlackSashd3 yipee...
I would say it’s pretty much already there. I have an arc and also a solar warlock build that demolishes. Constant ability spam and survivability. Both builds would be manifestly worse if I made some prismatic half copy of them. If you lean all the way into a single subclass it will reward.
@@beny7160 this is not the case for all subclasses like arc warlock or any titan one. They need to fix those ones if we want it to be a reality.
I didnt expect to see exotic weapon updates, but it was a pleasant surprise. A couple of ideas I have, to expand on the list a bit:
Sweet Business - I'd love for this weapon to play into the "heist/payday" thematic, so why not give it a mechanic where redbar kills grant you "Payout" stacks, and then when you kill a major/champion it'd drop a bunch of ammo, based on the stacks you got. each 5 stacks would give one special brick and if you got at least 20, then youd drop heavy as well. It'd turn Sweet Business into a new support weapon, and give warlocks a break from using Cenotaph for a moment.
Tesselation - This weapon is so fun, but seems limited to me. I guess it was built to be played with prismatic, but then why is its element locked? I wish this weapon would adapt its element to the grenade you have CURRENTLY CHARGED. So if you get GPG, you can consume it to turn your next nuke shot into scorching solar explosion, or while transcendant you can consume transcendant grenade to make your next nuke shot both blind and sever, etc etc.
Traveller's Chosen - Same as above, this seems like the perfect weapon to pair with prismatic. My idea is simple, replace osmosis with a custom built perk, that'd swap weapons element based on the last ability you used. You threw your storm grenade? Its arc. You tossed out penumbral blast? Boom, stasis. Class abilities would give it the element of your super too.
Arc warlock feels super underwhelming compared to every other subclass and it’s honestly really sad
MAYBE they should give the other subclasses inherent passive effects like maybe on Void Devour should be present at all time, maybe Strand Warlocks can generate threadlings at a fixes rate every X seconds, things likr that. Give them a core mechanic that doesnt require an Aspect to work, it is just active by default, while Prismatic would require to actually equip the Aspect to replicate a fraction of their power with the advantage that, of course, prismatic can mix effects
at the very least, strand titan will always have Banner of War, so there's always gonna be a reason to use it
Arc has been underperforming for a long time it’s in desperate need of a buff (Base arc Not Prismatic)
Whenever I think about Bad Juju I just think of the Rick and Morty Butter Robot meme
"What is my purpose"
"You're a pule Rifle with Hipfire grip"
"Oh My God!"
It's a simple fix, it does not require a lot of actual work:
Just make the aspects and traits and gameplay of the original classes more specializes and give them more benefit for being that single class.
That's all you have to do. PRismatic is fine. Just make the other classes better to use in their unique playstyles.
Pris titan needs a buff or different style. All they got is consecration. And maybe thunderclap and frenzy. Besides that i havent seen any other builds for it
Try second chance with it, changed my life
Been running a Hazardous Propulsion build with Glacial and Thunderclap and by god it slaps. Running GMs with it and doing okay, and doing great when I land all 6 Hazardous rockets and get a 30% damage buff to rockets and unload Gally into the boss.
I may have varying degrees of agreement with every point you've made, but the one point I am 100% on-board with is making Riskrunner's perk activate when Amplified, like it's seriously a no-brainer. The whole base concept (at least the way I see it) was that the Arc damage you recieve charges up the gun so it makes perfect sense that you would also charge up the gun while Amplified
As a titan, I still feel most comfortable playing Solar over Prismatic. Can't get rid of my bonk hammer. XD haha
I love the throwing hammer
Same with all my classes tbh, I haven’t really touched prismatic after the campaign
Prismatic titan feels lacking of self sustainability to me. Little bonk and big bonk builds i have for solar titan keep me alibe so much better
Ah, Hollow Knight OST and Mesome's voice go well together. Stay my gamer rage, o muse.
I feel like it's actually pretty easy to buff the other classes to prismatic status.
1) add a "transcendence" to each class that boosts regen of your abilities and gives you that element's buffs for matching weapons (ex: solar transcendence gives you regeneration and solar weapons scorch targets, extra stacks for weapons that already scorch)
2) make elemental buffs more readily available (increase regeneration duration, make invisibility easier to proc, increase dmg reduction for amplified, etc...)
3) just make weapons stronger when they match your elemental class except prismatic (+3 to all weapon stats or something)
dude amen, they literally said prismatic was gonna be the less used parts and gave us the best of the best, except for titans.
something i really REALLY hate is that aspects like hellion get 3 slots on Prismatic, but very few aspects get 3 in their actual classes, resulting in Prismatic being much more powerful right off the bat, since they can afford more fragments, some of which, like Protection, Balance and Dawn, being extremely powerful.
I forgot who said it but:
"The simpler you make your creation, the richer you can make its inner workings. The more complicated you make something, the more convoluted it becomes."
Destiny lacks simplicity for the sake of variety, to the point where everything ends up being the same, things get left by the waste side, and people most people ironically get bored.
Prismatic is just one of the examples of the latter.
I think the problem stems from the fact that the lore is the exact opposite of the ideal in-game state. In lore, it's the pinnacle of mastery that lets you use both light and dark in tandem, in gameplay its trying to be a jack of all trades, master of none; im not surprised it was hard to balance in a way that makes it powerful enough to sell copies yet balanced enough to be fair competitively, its very core idea comes from opposing philososhies
I think it'd be a nice 'next season update'. Now that Prismatic exists, there's plenty of good reason for the existing Light and Darkness classes to start overlapping more. It may dilute the 'class fantasy' of each element, but imagine if more of the grenade types were available to more elements, or if a Solar Titan could use Arc Titan's Thruster? Or if certain Exotic Armors became all class, like Ramparts going all class since they're not really all that class focused.
"A jack of all trades is a master of none, but is often-times better than a master of one."
The full quote is "jack of all trades, master of none, but STILL BETTER THAN A MASTER OF ONE." Prismatic should be stronger than any other class
The reason why I haven't done Prismatic Warlock yet is because I personally like the gameplay loop of Dawnblade.
After Graviton lance having like 3 catalyst perks, I’m fully convinced Bungie has weird biases for weapons, cause by that logic, ALL exotics should have like 2-3 catalyst perks
I will be honest, ONLY REASON I use prismatic is because Arc subclass titan has no Ranged super. I am mostly just dodging with hazardous propulsion. The titan prismatic grenade itself has a chance to Wiff
I would buff the fragment slots on monochromatic classes instead of nerfing slots on prismatic
Man I wish for prospector, that if you hold the grenades on a target then it scorches the target till they ignite, causing all grenades to explode. That would be awesome!
Ergo Sum exists, there's no reason Mida Multitool can't be a really cool 'I have a plan to kill everyone I meet' weapon.
An easy change is making the Exotic Class Items usable on all subclasses. I really can’t think of a reason they shouldn’t be, other than Bungie wanting them to help prismatic feel more unique.
Prismatic crunches down 10 years of subclass customization into a restricted set. It should be *capable* of doing almost everything, but right now it’s operating at a capacity where it can LITERALLY do everything with *ZERO* downside.
Ehhh I don't know about that. I think the class items need to be reworked tho
Absolutely, will every roll work on those classes? No. But will I actually use those classes in pvp now that I can use spirit of ophidians with them? Without a doubt.
@@bekfistwolf8248yay everyone now uses ophids so fucking boring
I think a lot of buff percentages and timers could be reduced for prismatic only. Like why is prismatic woven mail the same 45% dr as when I’m on strand?
If, and i cannot stress this enough, IF the nightmare subclass does get made i don't think it should have any part of it in prismatic. I just don't see it fitting because it doesn't work like the other subclasses but i also believe that if it drops it should drop with a bunch of buffs to the regular subclasses that only exist on that subclass not in prismatic but also have certain subclasses have their buffs for that class be in the prismatic, hunter with gunslinger titan with fists and warlock with nova and if you wanna get into it also hunter with strand titan with stasis and warlock with nightmare if it gets added to prismatic or if it gets added at all.
Personally I think they should buff all the monochromatic classes instead of nerfing prismatic. Also make the class items work on all subclasses. Not sure exactly what needs to be done but I’m pretty much always in favor of buffing then nerfing. Also give me more super options for darkness
I think the only way for this to be fixed is to update other classes with damage or faster charge time like how blade barrage is known with is fast charge time using shards of galanor. But when someone uses prismatic, those buffs from the other classes dont apply when using Prismatic, balancing it out with the same power since release, but far more versatile compared to everything else. But would that change anything in your guys opinion?
My thought for nerfing Prismatic:
Replace the existing supers the class uses with all-new ones to match the other new supers, perhaps one where it uses one super's style with an element it doesn't usually use. Cryo Goldie Gun that acts like a single-shot railgun instead of a revolver, with a freeze effect for near-misses (DON'T 👏 BUNCH 👏 UP 👏). Well of Nocturne, an Empowering Rift on steroids that doesn't heal you on its own, but amps your DPS through the roof and maybe gives you Devour. A sentinel shield that inflicts Strand debuffs on hit, while granting allies it passes by Woven Mail. There's so much room to play with the idea of fusing Light and Dark.
Ice Hammers that spawn stasis crystals on impact
Me as a titan person I don't use prismatic because solar is just the best because of the throwing hammer. The only way I would use prismatic more is that they add throwing hammer to prismatic
@The_random_stranger4376-m8m why would you use hammer when consecration titan exists
@legocreatordragon because I love the throwing hammer and I love that it heals you mostly the reason I use it
I've been playing plain strand titan cause prismatic just doesn't feel right, till prismatic titan gets fixed, im back to base subclasses
Tbh i never liked the hybrid subclass the fact that it doesn't have a real identity
You literally forge the identity of the class yourself, think of prismatic as a sand pit and you have to pick and choose what toys you want to slot into the pit
i noticed this with myself, every time i try to use a certain build, i kinda just find myself going back to prismatic cause of just how much easier it is to get the respective buffs
I think something to consider is the fun factor. For example, as a Titan main I can safely say that Solar and Strand Titan are far stronger than Prismatic. Heck, maybe even Void is better. However, I've almost exclusively used Prismatic since it came out simply because blending the elements together is so much more fun than focusing on just one, even if I'm missing out on power.
If they didn't nerf most of the exotics into the fucking ground. This would not be an issue!
Options for individually nerfing/ balancing Prismatic:
• nerf fragments
• reduce fragment slots
• change trait pool for exotic class items (this one would hurt if existing god rolls were destroyed)
• differentiate between Prismatic aspects and their original subclass counter parts and dole out nerfs just to the P versions and buffs to the stand alone subclasses. (I dont know what this would entail on Bungie's end to do)
• buff other subclasses' fragments
• release carefully tailored exotics whos benefits only really comport with non Prismatic subclasses, or are only fully realised on them. Or edit existing exotics to be this way
I use healing grenades for the hunter. It's still top tier, I'd call it better than prismatic most of the time.
Following that, solar warlock still cooks hard with stuff like speakers sight. However, I will say, barely anything works better, and it's sad
An idea I had with Transcendence on all sub-classes,
- Make the meter size change based on Light/Dark Sub-class,
- - Example: If on Solar, the Light meter is 75% of the total, while Dark is 25%, since all your abilities are Light-based, this'll make it easier to fill the meters.
- - Alternatively, Light is 25 - 33%, while Dark is 66 - 75%, requiring more work since your sub-class is lacking Dark alignment, making it harder to fill the meters.
I'm also of the mind, buff old sub-classes, for example,
- I shouldn't be able to get Diamond Lance in Prismatic faster than Stasis, make them both the same, or, if it HAS TO be a buff/nerf, do this,
- - Prismatic Diamond Lance Cooldown: Increased from 7s to 10s
- - Stasis Diamond Lance: Decreased from 15s to 7s (Last I checked, it is 2x the cooldown that Prismatic has... pretty sure Tangles are the same/similar... wtf)
Remove Fragment slots from Aspects, just make it 6 across the board, worst case, make exceptionally powerful Aspects reduce it by ONE MAX.
Maybe remove/re-work some fragments and just apply them by default, like you said, increased projectile tracking on Solar, though you specified for Blade Barrage, I think it'd be best to just make it a constant for each class.
A few more specific changes below,
Gunpowder gamble,
DON'T make it exclusively require Solar, instead, make it require Light abilities, it'll balance out the Transcendence meter since you can get a ton from a single Withering Blade, then throw a big light element bomb to get more.
Alternatively, require ONLY Dark abilities, to play more into the concept of Prismatic.
Hardlight, Borealis, Dead Messenger,
Give them Dragonfly or Chain Reaction(nerfed for Hardlight since it's a primary), and when the element & super match, give them the respective elemental ability, so,
- Solar Super + Solar Element = Incandescent, or Firefly
- Void = Destabilizing Rounds, or Repulsor Brace
- Arc = Voltshot, or Eddy Current
- Stasis = Headstone, or Chill Clip(likely nerf Chill Clip for Hardlight if applied)
- Strand = Sever, or Hatchling
These weapons basically died when Matchgame was removed, the only chance I see for them is if they get some functionality with their elements rather than JUST shield advantages, or, adding more enemies like the Omen/Subjugator, where the matching element does more damage to the targets HP.
Lord of Wolves,
Make it a special ammo Auto Rifle(Act 3 brings one, special Autos'll Exist and can hurt us soon) but change the alternate mode to a Shotgun working similar, like you said, to the one Fallen enemies use,
- 20 - 40 magazine, alt Shotgun uses 5 ammo per shot for 4 - 8 shots, boost the range for Shotgun mode to outclass any other Shotgun HOWEVER the spread is wide and random(maybe not random to prevent luck-based killing in PvP), not likely to hit player-sized targets with many projectiles even in current max Shotgun ranges(basically only viable at point blank for PvP).
This is genuinely a good assortment of ideas, ill add one to the pile too.
Aspects on prsm for every class should definetly be the more generalistic ones that give more tunned down playstyles, like titan's consacration switched by that roaring flames that affects ecery melee (triple frenzied blade would trigger an ignition if all melees hit)
Or gunpowder gamble for on your mark (gor a more generalistic buff instead of just a nuke)
And so on
I love these videos because most of tdt's ideas seem to be very good and well thought out. and as a mostly free to player (I only buy the dlcs if they're on discount for like 15$) I can see why the purchasable subclass's need to be balanced out better. long and short I hope bungie listens to this video and maybe uses some of these ideas.
I think from a narrative standpoint, the ability to transcend for current pay-to-play players makes a lot of sense. We have been around for a while now and we have mastered the ability to use our powers at will regardless of our subclass. Newer players and free-to-play players are new lights, story wise they haven't been through everything a veteran player has. So, no transcending abilities until the pay and start hitting the high-end content, then becoming legend.
I honestly feel like the Solar Super for hunter should have been blade barrage instead of the golden gun.
I'd balance it like this:
Give every subclass a "transcendence" of their own, and with unique grenades that utilize the tags of each. (I.e. Void grenade that makes void souls, arc grenade that slows and blinds (like the fallen traps), solar grenade that creates a large sunspot (like a molotov), strand grenade that acts as a thrown tangle, and stasis grenade that freezes and shatters.)
Remove the need to be prismatic to use the exotic class items, and change the original exotic armor pieces to match their spirit counterpart. (I.e. Caliban only working on proximity knife.)
I feel at the end of the day the only real reason Prismatic is used over a lot of other classes is it's ease of use with Transcendence. Having a secondary bar that charges in like 30 seconds that just says 'I am now effectively in super' is ridiculous, and it's entirely the reason why even titans (as weak as they are) use the subclass.
Like, titan is the best case where you can argue their hyper specific subclasses are better in every way. Strand is just strictly better than prismatic in it's entirety, Void with Controlled Demo and heart is infinitely better at the 'gunplay supportive roll' fantasy, and Solar gets the use of Pyrogale with Roaring Flames. About the only two that feel worse are the lagging classes of Stasis and Arc, because both of those subclasses supers suck so bad it drags down the class to feeling just worse than a class that can make them usable (in the case of behemoth) or can just ignore them entirely (in the case of arc as a whole).
But why do even people like me that recognize this still use Prismatic in GM's more than equipping said other classes with their better options? Well I can't spam completely infinite super buffed consecrations on Solar titan now can I? I can get close, sure, but I can't do that while also throwing infinite suspend jolt grenades. I can't throw infinite throwing shields for infinite void overshields on top of natural DR. I can't just have a full ability refresh on demand at any time and have to actually build and utilize the subclasses well to get that level of power.
Transcendence just drops that level of accessibility to the floor and makes anyone a god for no effort. It's telling when even a completely sub par strictly worse variant of solar warlock is being put up as a GM destroying build on Datto's page. It's because as subpar as it is, activating transcendence just means you win the game full stop, and there's absolutely nothing that stops that or makes it not as worth it when the subclass underneath is is only ever slightly worse to on par with the rest of the subclasses. But my child spam void warlock can't transcend for infinite weaken grenades on top of everything else now can it?
I feel making Transcendence something that actually requires you to build into would be infinitely more fun. Remove the passive regen from it, but make it a mode you can toggle on and off after doing the whole song and dance of doing light and darkness damage. Make it a bar that drains drastically slower, popping out of it refunding whatever energy you didn't use while in it, and refunding energy like it does currently with kills. Then, leave in the 'landing hits provides a small bump to passive regen for a short time', and push all of the DR that it gives on to Protection, making it so you get 33% DR while surrounded and transcendent, but removing the passive DR from just existing while Transcendent.
With all this, I feel transcendence will become something cool that's neat to use, and give the class that extra 'umph' to stay relevant, but not make it so fully and completely 'I'm you but better' in every single way. It gives you access to new tools and makes you a little stronger to feel powerful (and makes stuff that say 'while transcendent' make a little more sense since you're encourages to go in and out of it instead of just be in it permanently), but it doesn't just literally remove all of the barriers that they had been systematically putting in place with their recent changes (the heck you basically removing cycling regen mods like bomber and momentum transfer from the game but then release stuff like this?!? went from using 1-0 ability orb regen mods to using literally nothing BUT them in my arm slots overnight because now everyone just has instant full ready access to all their abilities all the time always, so why get 10% to them when I can make orbs?). The mayhem ability regen everywhere was fun, but it has to be rained in.
1. add *everything* in prismatic.
2. buff the hell out of mono subclasses
3. make prismatic get weaker based on how monochromatic your build is to encourage you to use prismatic “correctly”
I have two ideas:
1. Give the monochromatic classes their own version of transcendence that fills only from doing damage and applying buffs/debuffs of their element.
2. Take inspiration from Warframe’s Helminth system. For those unaware, the Helminth system is an in-game sytem for slotting a specific ability from one playable Warframe onto another, such as putting Rhino’s Roar on Revenant, Kullervo’s Wrathful Advance on Gyre (My Beloved(tm)), or Grendel’s Nourish on Xaku. However, with many Helminth abilities, the benefit provided is deliberately diminished - Roar provides a lesser damage boost, Wrathful Advance has a shorter range and provides less crit chance, and Nourish no longer requires an enemy in your gut, nor provides a heal on-cast.
Honestly TDT, I agree with pretty much everything. Prismatic should be the jack of all trades, and not the master of everything. A rainbow is pretty and all, but solid colors are really nice too! The mono subclasses absolutely need massive buffs, and prismatic absolutely needs a drastic change!
And the old exotic weapons, even from before beyond light, hell even from beyond light, are so power crept. They absolutely need some changes
Of course the usage is high because its new. Sometimes I think Destiny player have something wrong with their brain. It really depends what content you are running. Prismatic Hunter is absolutely dominant in the DPS department but running GM's and normal nightfalls? I rather stick with my regular Void class. It's just better for clearing that kind of activity.
I feel like Bungie dug a big hole and now all that’s left that they can do to balance everything is to buff everything and make prismatic the only subclass with every ability to make it so you can use what you want while still getting prismatic benefits and honestly I would kind of want to see that as of how I think it could be very fun, like as if ensnaring slam and ascension worked together to ascend while suspending everyone around you and giving amplification, cause while it seems overpowered it’s one ability for two aspect slots.
I don't have Final Shape, but my first impression of Prismatic wasn't great. The dual element grenades are a neat idea, but I don't really like most of them. They copy the grenade types I never use, for the most part.
I remember back when Prismatic was first revealed. I, like many others in the community were excited, however in the back of my mind I was concerned about balance for both PvE and PvP. We were already pretty strong before Final Shape (certain subclasses more than others, looking at you strand titan) and Prismatic just seemed to take that dial that was already cranked high and turn it up even more.
The only "normal subclass" that I've ran since Final Shapes launch is strand titan for a little bit. That's it, outside of that i haven't taken off Prismatic, why would I when I can have Gunpowder Gamble, Graple, 2 stasis melees that can trigger ignitions, invisibility on ability kills, and a damage super like golden gun all on 1 build.
You can make MIDA Multi-Tool embrace its name. Make it craftable.
You can have any perk you want on it in the 1st and 2nd slots, with limited rolls available in the 3rd and 4th slots,
You can have any one Champion stunning capability.
This makes it a reliable base weapon in every scenario, and it doesn't have any broken AD clearing or DPS capabilities.
I was super surprised to see prismatic had transcendence AND a super. I think giving prismatic classes no supers but transcendence only would have made more sense and helped a ton with power creep.
I honestly think Prismatic should be the standard though. Like that should be the only subclass and the other sub classes should be like set bonuses. The more abilities and aspects you have in one type the more bonuses and fragments that synergizes with that type. Ex: (hunter) 3 arc abilities equals Flow state, (Warlock) 3 void abilities equals feed the void, etc. Put all the fragments on Prismatic and same as above the more in line with a type the more are available.
Crazy idea here, roll everything into prismatic and remove the monos. This would remove the f2p problem and allow you to play whatever play style you want to at any time without having to swap subclasses. There would be problems with it but I don’t think they would be as bad as some of the issues we have now
I think that'd only work if they gave it from the start. I know when I tried to get back into the game without buying things like Lightfall stand was pretty much off limits and I'd assume they'll treat prismatic the same way to entice people to buy their expansions.
I love how balanced chaos accelerant is for voidlock. Unlike every other grenade enhancing aspect, you have to charge the grenade instead if immediately throwing. And to balance out this downside the CA enhancements are the weakest of them all.
I still maintain that Prismatic Warlock completely killed Stasis Warlock
There isnt anything on Stasis worth using that Prismatic didnt also get
Destiny players are impossible to please.
“Make prismatic strong!”
Okay.
“Prismatic is the best and is stronger than everything else!”
Isn’t that what you guys wanted? If Prismatic wasn’t as good as it was, you guys would complain that it is lame or there isn’t much reason to use it. Just stop complaining and enjoy your shiny new stuff guys.
I think that they should do it like the helminth system in warframe meaning it still lets you use the strong ability but with nerfed stats
A few things on Monochromatic classes that I think where overlooked
One of the biggest issues is simply variety, Prismatic has twice the supers, melees, fragments, and aspects that most classes have access too so they are innately restricted. Some of the best classes that are monochromatic (Namely Dawnblade) have a ton of utility apart from the prismatic version.
Swapping deadshot goldie is a bad idea imo as it is entirely reliant on ember of combustion to function (an issue with the super itself) I think if you swapped any out swap out for blade barrage, make the extra knives from knock em down base blade barrage then make knock em down instead let each knive apply 5 scorch on hit so gunslinger still does more damage but prismatic has a high burst option available at all times
Asking a new thing to be nerfed is ludicrous. What they could do instead of nerfing something to the ground is bring the old subclasses up and buff them to help make them feel just as good as prismatic. Alot of the old classes need touched on again anyway, I think, especially some of the lesser used subclasses.
Here is an idea I thought for prismatic to change it up a bit every episode.
I think that all the prismatic classes should have their grenades, aspects, supers and maybe melees changed every episode so that prismatic can stay fresh every season by forcing us to make new builds.
Idk how good of an idea this is but it's just something I thought of in my spare time.
They should simply make grenades, melee, and class abilities on a 1.5x cooldown if you choose a prismatic subclass. This will still make them top tier but less forgiving if you miss your rotation.
I still think solar warlock is better than prismatic with song of flame. I can’t let go of 50% more scorch plus healing allies gets the ability regin. I tried but I can’t see prismatic beating this.
My teammates make fun of me telling that I'm "boring to play with" when I play my triple consecration titan with syntho/enclosure class item because I blow up everything so hard that I have more kills then other two members combined (includes champs and mini-bosses being oneshoted on the way). GMs, battlegrounds, dungeons...wherever we go. And doesn't matter what other play with. I don't think that this fits the description of "the weakest class". I think that every prismatic class is very strong in it's own way. Though I admit that hunter has too much from original classes - literally best options of every single element.
Prismatic titan never seemed like the weakest class to me, it just seems to have the least amount of unique play styles, instead favoring the triple consecration knockout spam and being nearly completely focused on melee which isn't favorable really in a lot of content unless your using the triple consecration build that clears rooms way too easily
@@Dynonekus this is technichally the same complaint that I have to hunter in terms of aspects. On titan there are consecration + knockout (the 100% best no-brain option to run), new void aspect works better on void and overall it's not so good, suspend thing that is not good without exotic and I don't want to use it on class item because it doesn't have woven mail after suspend, and ice lance is...I don't know. It has always been bad as hell unless you do it for fun.
Hunters are the same: you have dynomite + helicopter and that's it. Because what's left? Invis (really? invis? when you can annihilate everything with a gaze?), stasis slow that is insanely bad even on original stasis hunter and strand decoy that is good only in pvp. Hunter has more useful supers unlike titan (that has one option - axes, everything else is mid at best) and the strongest class item choices, but in terms of aspects there's 0 choice on both titan and hunter alike.
@@Dynonekus and Triple COnsecration Titan is shut down by the most asinine thing... any enemy that is more than 3ft int he air... like all those Grim things...
except if you have anything more then red bars you'll instantly get gibbed in a GM as you try to wind up your concecration, and even then that shows the weakness of titan not everyone wants to play that exact way as much fun as it is to be a slam titan, it'd be nice to have other options and they don't and that's the problem.
@@Sargatastbh, hunter aspects are really strong, invis aspect is amazing for survival in high end content and lets you get away with 0 recov. The dodge slow is also great as you debuff and freeze. These mostly play into fragments as if I dodge near something it’s debuffed I kill it I go invis. Very strong for combo blow hunter esp with fragments that make light abilities do more damage to enemies affected by darkness debuffs also the invis aspect, while invis your next melee weakens enemies, you legit can stack combo blow x3 with a liars proc and apply weaken to the enemy all from invis to be in melee with 0 fear of death and to top it off have calibans make the enemy explode killing anything nearby or dodge melee dodge melee dodge whole pack frozen and melee one more time, the enemies all shatter around you. Stylish with the dodge slow is just tooo good a combo
I really hope Bungie will approach balancing by buffing parts of other subclasses that aren't in Prismatic
It is, what I think for once again, time for subclass reworks.
Maybe with the launch of the next big expansion, every subclass could get a rework to fit against Prismatic more and have Prismatic be nerfed a little against it.
Create more subclass distinctives inside, have subclass of a subclass. By this I mean something like the Demoknight from TF2, where he's a class, but Demoknight is a subclass of it's own. Add new Darkness Supers for all the classes. Something like a BIG DPS super would incredibly benefit Stasis especially the roaming supers and even Strand. This would be a good saviour to the subclasses to have Prismatic as a Jack of all Trades, but let each subclass be the Master of their respective sides.
I think just as a little added passive, monochromatic subclasses should provide a base 10% increase to primaries matching its element, since monochromatic subclasses have kinda been made to have their weapons match as well the past few years anyways.
Personally, I believe that massive overhauls should only be done out of necessity. Changes should be made with the goal of sustaining the original identity of the product (such as an exotic), while bringing it up to par in the current environment (Destiny 2's sandbox). For example, sweet business:
- The purpose of this exotic is to keep firing as much as possible (especially when paired with actium war rig).
The changes I would make would be as follows:
Payday- remove the picking up special or heavy ammo mechanic a reload and handling buff when damaging a target ( basically enlightened action).
Business time- add a weaker version of onslaught to help boost the fire rate sooner
Catalyst- Only change I would make here would be to add subsistence.
And lastly, remove the explosive round. This does not fit with the identity of the weapon.
But, I'm not a game dev. Though if you guys wanna hear anymore ideas, just let me know. Thanks for reading this.
BTW, I don't think business time should surpass the maximum fire rate of sweet business, only help reach it sooner.
I’d say the only reason dawnblade isn’t closer to prismatic warlock’s usage is because prismatic is still in its “honeymoon phase”. Dawnblade still does everything solar related way better than prismatic. Dawn Chorus ignition/scorch builds and Speaker’s Sight support builds are just better on dawnblade, and solar grenade builds like Sunbracers builds aren’t even available on prismatic. Now I wouldn’t mind dawnblade getting buffed but I don’t think it really needs any.
Instead of nerfing transcendence I think they should add stuff to the base light classes. We've seen leaks of potion crafting for the upcoming episode and what if potions are what monoclasses get instead of trans. Gives similar regen to abilities.
I also think that light and darkness keywords need to be reworked wholesale. Overshields, Cure/Restoration and Radiant should be class agnostic light buffs not void or solar. Probably same with a healing keyword too so each subclass can get a healing keyword.
The reason why Solar Warlock is still getting play is because Solar keywords are just better than every other class, and that's mostly due to solar having a near monopoly on heal sans Banner of War and Devour, over-shields are on void but they aren't technically healing and are just worse than restoration. A form of healing grenade should probably exist on other classes, maybe its an aspect that grants void overshields for standing in a void grenade.
Because solar would lose some keywords, maybe add a keyword called "Aflame" where you apply 15 scorch a second to nearby enemies, put it on Titan with sol invictus and Warlock with phoenix dive. Maybe add a "Recharge" keyword that enables your arc effects to hit your self for a small ~30 hp heal, replace/rework knockout on Arc titan with a something that applies this so they can do other stuff besides melee if they wanted to.
For the subclasses that have only 1 melee, add more. Void warlock could have a blink melee that teleports them forward then they explode (works with astrocyte verse), Void Hunters could have a 2 charge dash melee where they whip out their spectral blades and dash through enemies and apply volatile that automatically explodes after a couple seconds. Some complete anime shit for both of them.
Also give a short glide at the end of blink (for warlock and hunter) for my own sanity's sake.
I thought that maybe they could have a version of transcendent for the individual subclasses themselves. Like maybe for Solar the verb could be “Incandescent” and for Titans the grenade could be a thermite grenade that would in an aoe instead of a forward path. Warlock could throw out multiple grenade from the new super, hunters could throw a swarm grenade that sends out like 3 sets of swarms one after the other.
Some of this is admittedly a little much. But it’s just an example.
Damn. You know the power creep is real when IZANAGI (and Riskrunner I guess) of all exotics is on Meesome's list of retuning.
I think one of the best fixes could be giving more fragment slots for all the other subclasses. It would allow for much more specialized single classes. And it wouldn’t even affect prismatic.
I also think allowing for many of the older exotics to be craftable would be amazing and give them some more life.
At video time of 24:30 is why everyone hates strand Hunters. Because they can put that dummy up and block all incoming damage to them. This allows them to kill you while you can’t damage them.
Off the top of my head, the way I would go to bring up monochromatic subclasses would be to give them more fragment slots and make more of those fragments give bigger stat buffs. I'm thinking make most give +10 for something, some give +20
I think Buried Bloodline, and then Prismatic Warlock both showed that devour is a great tool weighed down by the rest of the void warlock kit just being so-so. At the very least that subclass needs a new melee.