This week I had to shoot social media content for a major brand using a C300II which had been shipped in by the production company. Great camera in its day, but a total pain to work with when you have to shoot for three different crops simultaneously (16:9, 9:16, and 1:1). You’re always having to cheat the framing-mostly to create head room over your subject-and in the end you’re stuck with sub-optimal footage throughout. But if I had been allowed to bring in my CC and shot everything at 3:2, then you can frame for an ideal 16:9 and still have all kinds of head room for cropping tall and narrow. For my own commercial work, this is how I want to always shoot going forward and the CC is by far the most affordable option for open gate recording with internal RAW (no external recorders needed). In my case, it’s a very easy decision.
Please Blackmagic, if you read this -- the form factor on this thing is killing us out here. We WANT to use it but the lack of modularity (to mount V-mount batteries, on-camera monitor, audio, etc.) it's just not workable anymore. It hurts. For those of us who love BMD's color but can't show up to set looking like we just got our first DSLR out of film school. PLEASE create a box camera which we can customize and it'll crush the Komodo!
A new form factor "just around the corner" ? 😅😂 Sorry to tell you that's at least 3-4 years away. You don't know BM man if you think they are capable of more than that or would care about making a box when their product is still selling.
Great review. The images of these two cameras are similar enough to wait a bit for the upgrade. As you say, maybe they will decide to change the form factor of the body, and put the s35 sensor in a smaller and more practical body that will have an L mount, or some other improvements. We'll see.
Excellent video, thank you! I’m surprised at how non existent the difference between the image quality is. Actually the biggest difference seems to be the fact that the face, or any other object in frame, seems to be much rounder in the image from the pocket cam. In other words the face is much longer in the full frame camera, which makes me wonder, which camera is distorting the image (more)? And why is there such a unexpected difference?
Great point, I see what you mean for sure. I think the pocket 6K has a "compressed" feel to its footage, it never truly feels wide, even with my 11mm tonika lens, so I would guess that's the distorted image with its 1.55x crop.
Loved the comparison ! Mine will be arriving tomorrow and i plan on doing a couple tests as well, since i also have the 6k pro. The major difference for me, was the magenta shift on the 6k pro, especially on blacks, you can see that the new OLPF helps a lot on this. Also, FOV is pretty different, it will be fun experimenting will my lenses to see how they behave, especially with my contax zeiss set. As far as noise goes, fix pattern noise is always bad but the condition you shot was really low light, but you can also try to recalibrate the sensor to see if it helps. When they released the first 6k, it also had fix pattern noise issues, i've seen a couple people having to send it back for a new camera due to that. I'll keep that in mind when i get mine.
Good thoughts and observations thx mate. As it stands now, I'm thinking I'll hold off a little longer - save the difference and get an UMP 12K - for the incredible HFRs, , stunning image, better DR and rolling shutter. No, I don't need 12k (doubt I'd ever go above 8K). I'm hoping before I save the difference they bring out something in between (and hopefully my 3yo P4K doesn't give up the ghost in the meantime!)
using the "gyro stab" eliminates almost all rolling shutter. I was actually shocked because it wasnt really even addressed when the gyro stab feature was announced.
I love the BMD cameras but I hate their lens mount choices. For me as a former photographer (with an entire room full of lenses) a bigger sensor would be a no brainer if there were more/different mount options. But like you said I'll stick with my old 6k for now. Good comparison. 👍👍
That's a strange criticism since the L mount has a short flange distance which allows for all full frame EF lenses and even Leica M lenses to be adapted easily. There's literally no downside to L mount vs EF mount due to this.
@@mm89_ Pain in the black magic is pretty funny I'll give you that lol. But I must say, if you haven't had an L mount camera specifically (which it seems safe to assume you havent gotten the new one), then its easy to judge too soon. L mount dumb adapters are both very small and very easy. Some systems are more painful to adapt than others.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ did you understand any 1/1000 millimeter wiggle between mecanical adapter, lense and mount, will maybe ruin your shot? that the main reason why many peoples don't want adapter, anymore, any brands. i use that a lot. That a pain. No more.
@@beyondourarena2207 I'd need to see proof of that in a real world situation. I've used countless adapters, especially coming from the M43 world, and never had that issue. Flange distance can differ, hence Sigma lenses essentially just having a forced adapter built into their pre-DG DN line lenses. Worked fine for a decade and beyond.
hello bro, thanks, what is better in lowlight and anamorphic? I see both have 1500 nits on monitor, and the Pro ND filters, but not open gate, the PRO can record vertical? thanks
Very good review. Thanks a lot ! I was thinking about getting the full frame one, but so far my 6k G2 works perfectly fine with my Zeiss Prime lenses. What I really want to know is if BM will come with a URSA full frame ? That would be cool. I would also like to see them push an update to the Pocket 6k so we can select 48fps as well, just like the 6k full frame.
Great video! And how would you compare the 6K FF and Pro against the 6K G2 I'm considering the 6K G2 over the other two, because the difference of the 6K Pro pretty much only is the built-in ND filter. The 6K FF is full-frame, which can be worth it, but I am not sure... Currently have a rigged out 4k (with ext battery, matte box and nd filters, ext monitor etc.) and I am also not sure if it is worth the upgrade. The 6k G2 has a crazy deal of €1500 and is only €300 extra for me to upgrade.. Thank you!
As someone who has the OG 6K ( which is basically the 6K g2 without a tilting screen )and I have the 4K as well, I wouldn't bother upgrading to 6k. It's just going to eat a lot more data. I actually choose to shoot on the 4K whenever I'm doing single camera stuff as it does the job just fine. If you want an upgrade I would just get a Focal Reducer / Speed booster onto your 4K, gives you closer to the Full Frame look, and gives you extra stop of light into the sensor. The benefit of the 6K Full Frame, which I shot with just the other day on a rental is not just the full frame look (which is nice ofc) but also the OPEN GATE 3:2 aspect ratio. This opens you up to more possibilities. I rented it because I was shooting a 'Moving Magazine' cover which having the wider amount of pixels to work with in Open Gate while shooting vertical was amazing, it just wouldn't have worked if I tried to shoot it on the standard 16:9 / 17:9 vertical ratios. It depends what you want to film, and whether it would actually make a difference if you upgraded.
@@alanlavery Thanks for your reply! So I already have a BMPCC 4k + speedbooster. And I already use EF lenses. I'm considering an upgrade to 6k G2, because of the 6k resolution and I'm looking for a leap in quality, sharpness, colors, overall "look" and perhaps a more future proof camera. But I am not sure if changing from BMPCC4k to 6K G2 will make that much of a difference and is worth the upgrade. As for other features: because I already have a BMPCC 4k rig with a speedbooster, and ext. monitor, and a v-mount, some of the improvements of the 6k G2 (like better battery life, flippable monitor, EF mount) aren't THAT important. The extra €€€ for built-in ND for the 6k Pro isn't worth it for me either. For me, I want to make short narrative films (relatively small crew), documentary stuff and make my clients happy with all kinds of videocontent. The 6k G2 has a crazy deal of €1500 and if I sell my BMPCC 4k (+cage + speedbooster), it is "only" €400 extra for me to upgrade. But then again: only if it makes a significant difference in colors/quality/sharpness/flexibility.
Hey man I have a question if you could help me... trying to decide on this... I have a 3 cam setup we roll with. Not all 3 are always used but sometimes we roll on all three. We've previously always used the same cam for ABC... we are going with 2 s5iix and one BM cinema FF... could we go prores internal on the s5iix and braw on the cinema and match them easily in post... or should we go with the video assists on the s5iix's and then we have braw on abc cams... even then... we are concerned with having a complicated color matching situation especially when we've got a lot of scenes with various input cams... ex if we are going a car mount... we plan to go with the s5iix for those shots because it's a little more compact... we've got lidar AF setup on the cinema cam... but to avoid a complicated color matching process in post... we are considering just settling on 3 cinema all with lidar AF... but if we can confidently say that video assists on the s5iix will make an easy match for the cinema braw... we'd rather stick with 2 s5iix for the built in af. Any thoughts appreciated.
I would defo opt for the video assist to capture BRAW on all cameras, it really makes a massive difference when in post and matching them up. Colors are definitely something you could do fast, if it's not too much effort on workflow. You can use an Xrite color checker and get davinci resolve to match the colors, the highlight maybe about more tricky. The BMCC rolls off a little softer but the cameras play well together all's said and done.
Would love to see a comparison of how much the larger sensor makes up for low light, meaning can you achieve the same exposure as the pocket 6k but at a lower iso because more light is physically reaching the sensor
that's not how it works exposure, it will always be the same, sensor size doesn't matter. That's why when you use a light meter, you never choose sensor size ...The only difference would be if you add a speedbooster.
What a catchy accent :) I don't think a new camera will come out in a year and it's unlikely that they will insert filters into it, there is nowhere to insert if L-mount is now on all cameras
We will have to wait and see. I believe it's possible to get NDs inside, they might have to increase the body size, like Sony with the FX6 and FX9 using e mount and Sony just did built in NDs and IBIS with a mirrorless mount with the Burano.
Hello sir I bought black magic 6k G2 recently but I am confusing to buy cine lens for 6k G2. I don't have enough money for buy 3 or 4 lenses. So i kindly request you to suggest me one budget and standard lens for my 6k G2. I am from India.
ok, so I bought the 6K Pro last month and am still in the return window. Would you recommend returning the 6K Pro and getting the full frame? If so, do you recommend a particular EF to L mount adapter?
Depends on the lenses for me, are most of your EF lenses full frame? Both great cameras but if you can get into the full frame with minimum cost and effort and have the lenses, I'd go for it. I like the Sigma L-EF adapter 🙌🏼
@@OBP_ Thanks for the fast response! Yes, almost all of my lenses are full frame. I only have a couple of ef-s lenses that I bought way back with my 7D. Annoyingly I have several RF lenses that don't seem to adapt to anything because of the flange distance. I have packed up the camera for return. The only thing that sucks is that I have to deal with returning the SmallRig cage as well. Will grab the full frame version as well as the Sigma L-EF. Thanks again!
Chromatic abortion is NOT caused by a sensor or camera. Chromatic abortion is caused by a lens. Colour shift is caused by a colour filter array or some could say sensor. Learn about what you profess to know about.
You called it! the new camera just around the corner.....but now the BMCC 6kff is $1575. What a difference a price drop makes!
This week I had to shoot social media content for a major brand using a C300II which had been shipped in by the production company. Great camera in its day, but a total pain to work with when you have to shoot for three different crops simultaneously (16:9, 9:16, and 1:1). You’re always having to cheat the framing-mostly to create head room over your subject-and in the end you’re stuck with sub-optimal footage throughout. But if I had been allowed to bring in my CC and shot everything at 3:2, then you can frame for an ideal 16:9 and still have all kinds of head room for cropping tall and narrow. For my own commercial work, this is how I want to always shoot going forward and the CC is by far the most affordable option for open gate recording with internal RAW (no external recorders needed). In my case, it’s a very easy decision.
Great point and feel a lot of people are missing how useful open gate acutely is in the real world.
This review is just amazing and sharing the files is honestly god mode. cheers mate
Agreed. I feel we'll soon see a box body style from Blackmagic.
And we did!
@@phanatiksent YES! It's very exciting! Mine is on preorder. I can't wait!
@@andynonimuss6298 I just got the 6k full frame on sale
Please Blackmagic, if you read this -- the form factor on this thing is killing us out here. We WANT to use it but the lack of modularity (to mount V-mount batteries, on-camera monitor, audio, etc.) it's just not workable anymore. It hurts. For those of us who love BMD's color but can't show up to set looking like we just got our first DSLR out of film school. PLEASE create a box camera which we can customize and it'll crush the Komodo!
Zcam FTW
A new form factor "just around the corner" ? 😅😂
Sorry to tell you that's at least 3-4 years away.
You don't know BM man if you think they are capable of more than that or would care about making a box when their product is still selling.
@@glowyboi7175 Looks like you were wrong, boi! They just released the box version of the 6k full frame on 3 mounts!
@@glowyboi7175this aged poorly
@@glowyboi7175Love how internet Nostrabumus get reality checked.
Great review. The images of these two cameras are similar enough to wait a bit for the upgrade. As you say, maybe they will decide to change the form factor of the body, and put the s35 sensor in a smaller and more practical body that will have an L mount, or some other improvements. We'll see.
Excellent video, thank you! I’m surprised at how non existent the difference between the image quality is. Actually the biggest difference seems to be the fact that the face, or any other object in frame, seems to be much rounder in the image from the pocket cam. In other words the face is much longer in the full frame camera, which makes me wonder, which camera is distorting the image (more)? And why is there such a unexpected difference?
Great point, I see what you mean for sure. I think the pocket 6K has a "compressed" feel to its footage, it never truly feels wide, even with my 11mm tonika lens, so I would guess that's the distorted image with its 1.55x crop.
Loved the comparison ! Mine will be arriving tomorrow and i plan on doing a couple tests as well, since i also have the 6k pro. The major difference for me, was the magenta shift on the 6k pro, especially on blacks, you can see that the new OLPF helps a lot on this. Also, FOV is pretty different, it will be fun experimenting will my lenses to see how they behave, especially with my contax zeiss set.
As far as noise goes, fix pattern noise is always bad but the condition you shot was really low light, but you can also try to recalibrate the sensor to see if it helps. When they released the first 6k, it also had fix pattern noise issues, i've seen a couple people having to send it back for a new camera due to that. I'll keep that in mind when i get mine.
Totally agree with the FPN point, It's all about expectations. When given the right amount of light the BMCC looks amazing.
Good thoughts and observations thx mate. As it stands now, I'm thinking I'll hold off a little longer - save the difference and get an UMP 12K - for the incredible HFRs, , stunning image, better DR and rolling shutter. No, I don't need 12k (doubt I'd ever go above 8K). I'm hoping before I save the difference they bring out something in between (and hopefully my 3yo P4K doesn't give up the ghost in the meantime!)
using the "gyro stab" eliminates almost all rolling shutter. I was actually shocked because it wasnt really even addressed when the gyro stab feature was announced.
needed this thank you xoxo
I love the BMD cameras but I hate their lens mount choices. For me as a former photographer (with an entire room full of lenses) a bigger sensor would be a no brainer if there were more/different mount options. But like you said I'll stick with my old 6k for now. Good comparison. 👍👍
That's a strange criticism since the L mount has a short flange distance which allows for all full frame EF lenses and even Leica M lenses to be adapted easily. There's literally no downside to L mount vs EF mount due to this.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ I've tried it with adapters but it is such a pain in the black magic and doesn't always work like it sounds in theory.
@@mm89_ Pain in the black magic is pretty funny I'll give you that lol. But I must say, if you haven't had an L mount camera specifically (which it seems safe to assume you havent gotten the new one), then its easy to judge too soon. L mount dumb adapters are both very small and very easy. Some systems are more painful to adapt than others.
@@CanditoTrainingHQ did you understand any 1/1000 millimeter wiggle between mecanical adapter, lense and mount, will maybe ruin your shot? that the main reason why many peoples don't want adapter, anymore, any brands. i use that a lot. That a pain. No more.
@@beyondourarena2207 I'd need to see proof of that in a real world situation. I've used countless adapters, especially coming from the M43 world, and never had that issue. Flange distance can differ, hence Sigma lenses essentially just having a forced adapter built into their pre-DG DN line lenses. Worked fine for a decade and beyond.
In test 8 - you can use 4k resolution(using 6k res) on Pocket 6k with using - and you just gettning same full frame, isnt?
Hi. May I ask which storage card you use? Does it drop frames? Thanks
THere is zero noise reduction in new 6k camera wich is good finally
thanks again for the time and effort. very useful.
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hello bro, thanks, what is better in lowlight and anamorphic? I see both have 1500 nits on monitor, and the Pro ND filters, but not open gate, the PRO can record vertical? thanks
Awesome video bro!! All the info I need. Cheers!
Thanks for the comment!
Very good review. Thanks a lot ! I was thinking about getting the full frame one, but so far my 6k G2 works perfectly fine with my Zeiss Prime lenses. What I really want to know is if BM will come with a URSA full frame ? That would be cool. I would also like to see them push an update to the Pocket 6k so we can select 48fps as well, just like the 6k full frame.
A full frame, l mount, URSA 🤞🤞
What I want it’s an URSA 12k but smaller more compact, the way it is, I love the URSA
ISO comparisons should be done at correct exposure…
Am I to understand that you used 2 different lenses for your tests? That will void quite a few of these results.
Same lens, also same WB, ISO, Codec compression and post production color space transform.
Great video!
And how would you compare the 6K FF and Pro against the 6K G2 I'm considering the 6K G2 over the other two, because the difference of the 6K Pro pretty much only is the built-in ND filter. The 6K FF is full-frame, which can be worth it, but I am not sure...
Currently have a rigged out 4k (with ext battery, matte box and nd filters, ext monitor etc.) and I am also not sure if it is worth the upgrade. The 6k G2 has a crazy deal of €1500 and is only €300 extra for me to upgrade..
Thank you!
As someone who has the OG 6K ( which is basically the 6K g2 without a tilting screen )and I have the 4K as well, I wouldn't bother upgrading to 6k. It's just going to eat a lot more data. I actually choose to shoot on the 4K whenever I'm doing single camera stuff as it does the job just fine. If you want an upgrade I would just get a Focal Reducer / Speed booster onto your 4K, gives you closer to the Full Frame look, and gives you extra stop of light into the sensor.
The benefit of the 6K Full Frame, which I shot with just the other day on a rental is not just the full frame look (which is nice ofc) but also the OPEN GATE 3:2 aspect ratio. This opens you up to more possibilities. I rented it because I was shooting a 'Moving Magazine' cover which having the wider amount of pixels to work with in Open Gate while shooting vertical was amazing, it just wouldn't have worked if I tried to shoot it on the standard 16:9 / 17:9 vertical ratios.
It depends what you want to film, and whether it would actually make a difference if you upgraded.
@@alanlavery
Thanks for your reply!
So I already have a BMPCC 4k + speedbooster. And I already use EF lenses. I'm considering an upgrade to 6k G2, because of the 6k resolution and I'm looking for a leap in quality, sharpness, colors, overall "look" and perhaps a more future proof camera.
But I am not sure if changing from BMPCC4k to 6K G2 will make that much of a difference and is worth the upgrade. As for other features: because I already have a BMPCC 4k rig with a speedbooster, and ext. monitor, and a v-mount, some of the improvements of the 6k G2 (like better battery life, flippable monitor, EF mount) aren't THAT important.
The extra €€€ for built-in ND for the 6k Pro isn't worth it for me either.
For me, I want to make short narrative films (relatively small crew), documentary stuff and make my clients happy with all kinds of videocontent.
The 6k G2 has a crazy deal of €1500 and if I sell my BMPCC 4k (+cage + speedbooster), it is "only" €400 extra for me to upgrade. But then again: only if it makes a significant difference in colors/quality/sharpness/flexibility.
Another great video! Really appreciate your content, looking forward to more.
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How is the color consistency between these cams? Are they easy to match in post?
They can be matched in post pretty easily, but they are different in terms of color right out of camera
the full frame model has "optical low pass filter" which does help the color
Hey man I have a question if you could help me... trying to decide on this... I have a 3 cam setup we roll with. Not all 3 are always used but sometimes we roll on all three. We've previously always used the same cam for ABC... we are going with 2 s5iix and one BM cinema FF... could we go prores internal on the s5iix and braw on the cinema and match them easily in post... or should we go with the video assists on the s5iix's and then we have braw on abc cams... even then... we are concerned with having a complicated color matching situation especially when we've got a lot of scenes with various input cams... ex if we are going a car mount... we plan to go with the s5iix for those shots because it's a little more compact... we've got lidar AF setup on the cinema cam... but to avoid a complicated color matching process in post... we are considering just settling on 3 cinema all with lidar AF... but if we can confidently say that video assists on the s5iix will make an easy match for the cinema braw... we'd rather stick with 2 s5iix for the built in af. Any thoughts appreciated.
I would defo opt for the video assist to capture BRAW on all cameras, it really makes a massive difference when in post and matching them up. Colors are definitely something you could do fast, if it's not too much effort on workflow. You can use an Xrite color checker and get davinci resolve to match the colors, the highlight maybe about more tricky. The BMCC rolls off a little softer but the cameras play well together all's said and done.
Would love to see a comparison of how much the larger sensor makes up for low light, meaning can you achieve the same exposure as the pocket 6k but at a lower iso because more light is physically reaching the sensor
that's not how it works exposure, it will always be the same, sensor size doesn't matter. That's why when you use a light meter, you never choose sensor size ...The only difference would be if you add a speedbooster.
What a catchy accent :) I don't think a new camera will come out in a year and it's unlikely that they will insert filters into it, there is nowhere to insert if L-mount is now on all cameras
We will have to wait and see. I believe it's possible to get NDs inside, they might have to increase the body size, like Sony with the FX6 and FX9 using e mount and Sony just did built in NDs and IBIS with a mirrorless mount with the Burano.
As far as I understand, the L- mount does not make it possible to place a filter in front of the matrix due to the very short flange@@OBP_
What is the name of the music used in the second chapter?
Hello sir
I bought black magic 6k G2 recently but I am confusing to buy cine lens for 6k G2. I don't have enough money for buy 3 or 4 lenses. So i kindly request you to suggest me one budget and standard lens for my 6k G2. I am from India.
Use canon lenses its easy choice budget and u get lot of pro lenses for affordable price
I really like that British accent! :D
Strange that a FF is at 400iso Same bright Like the Pocket?!?
IT schuld be one stop brighter. 🙄
No it should not be
@@dwinandaaldyan why ?
Sensor size does not impact exposure @@whoiam3410
ok, so I bought the 6K Pro last month and am still in the return window. Would you recommend returning the 6K Pro and getting the full frame? If so, do you recommend a particular EF to L mount adapter?
Depends on the lenses for me, are most of your EF lenses full frame? Both great cameras but if you can get into the full frame with minimum cost and effort and have the lenses, I'd go for it. I like the Sigma L-EF adapter 🙌🏼
@@OBP_ Thanks for the fast response! Yes, almost all of my lenses are full frame. I only have a couple of ef-s lenses that I bought way back with my 7D. Annoyingly I have several RF lenses that don't seem to adapt to anything because of the flange distance.
I have packed up the camera for return. The only thing that sucks is that I have to deal with returning the SmallRig cage as well. Will grab the full frame version as well as the Sigma L-EF. Thanks again!
Thank you
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is the fan super loud in the full frame? my is going crazy from the beginninig, wondering if I got sth bad one
I can feel it blowing air out pretty fast after start up, but I cannot say I hear it at all.
@@OBP_ for me it’s around -35db when camera volume is full (6db)
Chromatic abortion is NOT caused by a sensor or camera. Chromatic abortion is caused by a lens. Colour shift is caused by a colour filter array or some could say sensor. Learn about what you profess to know about.
I left Blackmagic because of all that friggin FPN.
what lenses please? with any lense?
What is FPN?