Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K - 1 MONTH Later… is it worth it?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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00:00 - Start
00:28 - Why its incredible
01:50 - The new stuff
06:07 - Whats its like to use
12:06 - The problems
14:18 - When should you buy? 
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Thank you much for the good info. I just bought the full frame myself and I am excited to use it for years to come. God bless and have a great day.
Nicely done as always❗ Appreciate how you incorporate the working scenario learnings and don't gloss over the bad stuff.
Thank you 🙏🏼
I love BM workflows. I love the flexibility of the captured footage in post.
You are one of very few RUclipsrs who mentions the advantages of the DC input. That’s probably the top reason I bypass hybrids. It’s so much more flexible than PD ports and monitoring internal camera batteries-especially now that we have micro v-mount options with constant percentage readouts. And let’s not forget that the CC can work as a full fledged live production camera. No one ever mentions that aspect, but plug into an ATEM switcher and you have instant remote control along with the ability to run a zoom rocker and focus demand if you want to have a camera op. And as the production turnaround pace continues to quicken, the coming cloud integration will help a lot of small operators stay competitive. Add a cellphone or hotspot to your rig and proxies can be headed to the cloud after every take. Add a remote editor to the mix and you’re cutting selects on the fly at a fraction of the Frame .io cost. But in the near term, I have the camera because of the filming flexibility offered by open gate RAW (and again that phrase)-at a fraction of the cost compared with cine alternatives.
Huh huh You said but plug
Exceptional and very concise video. Packed with helpful info. I own the same cam. Image quality is the thing! I have notices some lines in my sensor across the whole image AND with ample lighting. You have to REALLY look for it and what I find REALLY interesting is you only see it when I use my vintage lenses which only have three to four pieces of glass in them. Guess it shows the high transparency advantages of a few vintage lenses.
Thank you for this review, best I've watched for practical use insights after watching the CVP review for the technical stuff. One doubt I had was whether my S35 Sigma Art zooms would work better on this or the 6K Pro alongside my few full frame lenses, and you answered that, so it's an absolute no-brainer for me now.
Great stuff! There is a plugin in Premiere to correct rolling shutter on any camera, though using the gyro data on the BMPCCs is better
Good review. Thanks!
Insightful and useful video. Has anyone told you you sound just like UFC Champion Michael Bisping?
Nice one mate, as always! Thank you for this. With the OLPF, L lenses and wotnot, it feels a little like the unofficial slight upgrade to the S1H. Loving the XLR inputs, built in ND, and the gyro post for rolling shutter. How brilliant. It makes a compelling case for switching to Resolve!
The BS1H and S1H have OLPF and open gate
@@LukeBroadhurstfilm yeah, that’s why I said the BMCC is a slight upgrade.
@@the_black_douglas9041 how’s it an upgrade then.
It isnt box.
Both do open gate 6k.
Both do Braw.
The BS1H and S1H are far better low light cameras with cleaner noise floor at high iso.
The BS1H has SDI, a hdmi that can deliver 5.9k signal (not limited to 1080p).
An optional Pre-Amp handle like the FX3. More SD card solutions
@@LukeBroadhurstfilm I didn’t mention the BS1H. Just the S1H. Going to a box form factor and losing IBIS is a downgrade to me. The BMCC gets built in XLRs, vs none on S1H, with phantom power and built in ND, vs none on S1H. I’d call that an upgrade. I owned an S1H for 3 years and now own a S5iiX, and whilst the second native ISO is good on S1H, it’s better on the S5iiX, though significantly different images. Re: the inferior upper native ISO performance on the BMCC, I’ve never owned one, have you? I’ll take the reviewers word for it on this matter. Weirdly the S1H offers 48 and 60hz open gate but then no 50hz. Sucks if you’re in a 25fps country. And an “optional” pre-amp handle” …are you referring to the DMW-XLR1? I’ve owned one of those since my GH5 days and it’s not a handle like that SONY thing with the stupid mic bracket you’re stuck with. Also, re: SD cards, I never used SD cards on my S1H because of the cost effectiveness and utility of the ATOMOS monitor recorders.
@@the_black_douglas9041 I own a cc6k FF.
I would not recommend. I’m in the process of having blackmagic test it.
I’ve been through 2 cameras.
Hi - what are the crop i S35 mode? BTW great videos!!
Great video!
How would you compare the 6K FF and Pro against the 6K G2? I'm considering the 6K G2 over the other two, because the difference of the 6K Pro pretty much only is the built-in ND filter. I have a matte box with ND filters already. The 6K FF is full-frame, which can be worth it, but not sure if that's a big leap worth the money (€1k).
Currently have a rigged out BMPCC 4k (with ext battery, matte box and nd filters, ext monitor etc.) and I am also not sure if it is worth the upgrade to the 6k G2. The 6k G2 has a crazy deal of €1500 and if I sell the BMPCC 4k, it is only €400 extra for me to upgrade from the 4k.
Thank you!
Great video as usual. I'll probably stick to my 6k pro for now for the ND's. Hope they use it sensor on other cameras going forward though.
This sensor in a new body and we may finally have the BM we all want 🙏🏼
Extremely informative
Is the super 35 oversampled from the full sensor?
I want it so my Anamorphic 1.8 squeeze doesn't have to be cropped in losing the edges on the 6k. Problem is with new cameras always coming out, it devalues all the others so selling them to upgrade isn't an option.
What camera do you use in your run and gun, low light, uncontrolled documentary type situations? I have been considering a Panasonic S5iiX for this but I am curious to know what you use.
Am using the S5ii with a blackmagic video assist for BRaw, amazing combo.
what about the hdmi latency? @@OBP_
Awesome! I see you are using the Cooke mini s4i lens. That's a Super35 lens. Does it work without vignetting in open gate? Thanks!
No with the S4i being super 35 they don't cover anything above the S35 Mode. (But that's my fav mode in the camera)
Great video
That’s weird on frame rates because the pocket 4k can do 120fps in 2.6k?
Nice review well I have P6K org I will wait and buy when I have them founds The S5iiX...
What’s the name of the adapter in this video
Raw has no noise supression, you are supposed to do that in the studio version of Resolve that you get for free with the camera. RAW by nature is unsupressed. You also get 12 bit color with that.
This has been plaguing Blackmagic cameras for decades? Really?! Blackmagic started making cameras in 2013. Decades? C’mon.
Yeah! the 1st ever blackmagic camera has really bad FPN 🫣
That's decades ago in video terms ...
@@OBP_yeah. Its been plagueing them for decade.
Hyperbole 😅
Since you are using the MC-31 adapter. Did you notice it came with a little screw which allows you to lock it into the L-mount? No more wiggle...🙂
Amazing, did not notice this 👌🏼
Sony has a narrower space between lens and sensor but they have a variable ND.
Hopefully they release something for L mount.
🤞🏼🤞🏼
actually i am thinking of keeping the ef mount right now just because it is so flexible. you dont limit yourself for one mount like with e mount or l mount. of course the new lenses are some way smaller and the AF is better but they are newer and therefore more expensive as well. Right now i just have the bmpcc6k and as much as i hate this damn ef mount i think the ef lenses are a pretty stable investment (kinda like pl) just because you are always safe witht he lenses, nonetheless the system you are working with. what do you think?
Good thing with L-mount or E-mount is that you, except from other mirrorless lenses, can adapt almost everything. Like your EF glass. Or PL. So your EF-mount is in theory more limiting than L-mount
@@christofferpaavilainen5298 and event the newest lenses from sigma are just for l and e mount. Even though there are more mirrorless mounts they are still limiting
As someone who’s used both the Ursa line and the pocket (but not pocket anymore) line of cameras. Which do you find yourself grabbing first for smaller scale commercial projects?
I’m sure the overall ease of use, image quality and feature set of the ursa makes it a great all round to work with but the size and need for a decent amount of rigging makes me think it’s not always the go to for a smaller crew.
Or do you find yourself using both on most projects now?
Totally get what you're saying here. For me its like you want to use the smaller camera for smaller projects but the bigger camera is so easy to grab and use it hard not to make it the go too. For 90% of jobs at the moment I find myself having the Ursa set up for handheld/shoulder work, And using my pocket/full frame like a "rig" camera. Running it on stuff like gimbals, sliders, dollys and jibs.
@@OBP_ that makes a lot of sense, thanks for the reply.
Do you think it might be better to wait a little bit before buying it to make sure to not have a version with this sensor issue and having them fixing the problem with LUMIX lens ? Has there be any talk about them fixing it ?
I think if you buy from somewhere with a good returns policy like Amazon or whoever your big local camera retailer is, you'd be fine if you find any problems.
Hey @OBP_ does the SMALLRIG Full Camera Cage for BMPCC 6K Pro / 6K G2（Advanced Version） 3517 work with this camera? I had to return the Tilta one I ordered as it didn't fit.
Yep, you just have to move the top screw 1 hole back and it fits perfect 👌🏼
Thanks a million bro @@OBP_
What are the cheaper cameras above $3000... say to 4/5K?
Can you share what slider and jib you were using? Can you recommend a good stable slider?
Both are by a company ProSup, I can easily recommend their products. All great stuff.
I didn't know Michael Bisping was also a cinematographer.
So if you shoot in s35 (cutting the rolling shutter) youre getting a pocket 6k pro with new sensor and mount minus the NDs ?
Kind off, the pocket 6K is cropped more at 1.55x than super 35. And also with the new BMCC you get OLPF, plus better colors and contrast and open gate full frame whenever you want it.
@@OBP_ ok cool so would actually get more image in the new 6k 👌. I've been using Black magic since the 2.5k ,went straight to 4.6k gen 1 and 2 . Have you tried and EF to L adapter with aps-c lenses eg the sigma 18-35 on the new cinema 6k in super 35 mode ?
Great video 👍 another issue that I found, and unluckily for me, there are not a lot of people talking about it, is the gyro data my BM 6K FF is totally screwed. When I use the gyro stabilisation on DR it actually makes my footage worst by introducing weird jitters, even on smooth footage. And the same doesn’t happen on the 6K Pro. I already contacted BM for the issue and the developers are looking into the issue, but it really bothers me and I’ll probably ask for a replacement, but it will take weeks I already know.
Interesting, I am not a massive fan of GYRO in general, I find myself using the built in resolve stabilizer more often.
Hello ! Does the black magic 6K Pro cage fit perfectly or is it a bit shaky ? Because the tilta cage doesn't work well.
I'm gonna buy the Full Frame like this week and i'm gonna need a good cage, could you help me please ? Thanks you !
The small rig one fits it well
Thank you very much !@@cisaloproductions4837
Small Rig cage is solid, all 3 screws go in well and there is no play in the cage, just a small gap under the small rig logo where the Pocket 6K use to fill.
Perfect Thanks ! @@OBP_
What jib were you using in the sample footage?
It's by a company called, ProSup. Excellent if you need a small jib 👌🏼
How close image wise is the braw in the lumix s5iix compared to this?
It's the same in terms of post production flexibility but it looks different, the Lumix is really clean colors when capturing BRAW, where the BMCC almost has a film look baked in, very textured look I would say.
@@OBP_ okay thank you
Can u do this camera vs the USA G2? Haven’t seen anybody do this yet
Working on it 🙌🏼
hard to understand your word but i love your conten
I just switched over from A7SIII and am having a heck of a time with exposure. I have been shooting at 400 under controlled lighting and everything always seems to come back too dark in post. I normally have to lift to 800 ISO. I have been exposing skin at 18 percent. Where do you put Caucasian skin tone on this camera?
Yeh the camera loves light, it's the total opposite to something like an A7S, the golden rule is to use false color and have pink on the brightest part of subjects face 🙌
The reason most movies film at 800 iso is because at 400 the shadows are too compressed it’s always better to have more light in from a source or iso to bring back down in post for detail
Wow, that's waaaay hotter than I have been exposing, like a full stop. Makes sense though based on what I have been seeing in post. Thanks so much. Hoping my next shoot comes back cleaner. Loving the camera. I just chalk it up to growing pains working with a new system. @@OBP_
PS: I’m picking up my NiSi Athena PL set later today. I cannot wait.
Let me know how you find them. I have a loan set to review on the way from NISI and would love to know if you find any positives or negatives 🙏🏼
@@OBP_ My only question (which won’t get answered for a while) is durability. The lenses feel solid fresh out of the case with no slack or give around the rings, but I’m not exactly planning to disassemble one to see how the engineering holds up on the inside. Only time will tell the rest of that story. In terms of image quality, I tend to second what others have already said. The Athenas give a clean, image with plenty of contrast that you can easily dirty up with filters if you want a particular in-camera look. But when you need to shoot a spot for a car dealership and they want a basic look, strip away the filters and you’re there in a heartbeat. I expect I will get a LOT of use out of these.
Did you say that the Linear focus mode from the S5II/X works for ALL lenses? I thought it was only for Lumix lenses (I thought it had something to do with the lenses having linear motors as well). In fact, most reviewers state that it only work with Lumix lenses... that's the main reason why i stuck with those.. Are you telling me that it would also work with the Sigma Art 24-70 f2.8 DG DN?! That would change everything for me!
It confuses me TBH, but my sigma art 24-70mm l mount, is linear in both S5ii and BMCC 6K. And as you say all the Lumix lenses I have are fixed on the S5II, but are not linear on the BMCC 6K.
@@OBP_ Thanks for the quick reply mate. Just downloaded a PDF file from Sigma’s website, with the list of all Linear compatible lenses. I was right, the lenses first need to have linear focus motors inside, then the camera needs to offer the function (Lumix cameras do, BMD cameras don’t.. yet). I just confirmed the Sigma 24-70 does, but minimal focus angle is 360 and maximum is 720, meaning you can’t set it to very short for a quick focus racking (minimum is a full 360 rotation and maximum is 2 full turns.. thats crazy long lol). So tons of reviewer are wrong about the function being strickly limited to Lumix lenses.. that’s a very good thing!!!
@davidmultimedia2024 & @OBP_
I am planning to buy BMCC 6K FF with L mount lens and since you are highlighting the issue with focus-by-wire, could you please confirm with the Sigma 24-70mm f2.8 lens? If this lens is focusing in linear, I would love to buy it instead of Sigma MC-21 + Canon EF 24-105mm f4. Thanks
Could you screw the top part of the SmallRig cage onto the camera? 😮
Yerp!
Hello sir
I bought black magic 6k G2 recently but I am confusing to buy cine lens for 6k G2. I don't have enough money for buy 3 or 4 lenses. So i kindly request you to suggest me one budget and standard lens for my 6k G2. I am from India.
Depends on your budget & needs, but if I could only have 1 lens for that camera it would be the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC 👌🏼
@@OBP_ thank you so much
If they just added IBIS and continuous autofocus, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
@@vinaydahya5353 Bummer. I love the Blackmagic, but due to how much it needs to be rigged out to overcome it's deficiencies, it'll likely never be my go to for run and gun filmmaking. I have a Sony FX3 and it does everything I need.. aside from internal NDs.. I just like the B-Raw, Image, and interface so much more on Blackmagic
What cage are you using for this camera?
By Smallrig, link in the description 🙌
@@OBP_ it’s for the 6k pro, it fits perfectly on the full frame?
Yeah works just fine, just move the top screw back 1 whole and everything lines up perfectly.
Just saw it cannot record in Pro-Res? same like the 12K?
Yep, love it or hate it, I think Pro Res in blackmagic cameras is over in any cameras moving forward.
I got mine, had sensor issues with horizontal noise lines. I sent it back, hope replacement would be fixed one. Otherwise, I'd give up BMCC 6k for good.
Same problem. I’m going to exchange mine. Hopefully it doesn’t have the issue. I emailed BM and they won’t acknowledge the problem
@@turnleftkr I told B&H that I can’t deal with Blackmagic design support team. Replace it or refund me pls, they agreed to replace it 🤓
Yeah, I live in NYC so I’m going there tomorrow. They have extended returns until January so shouldn’t have a problem. Let us know if your new unit is OK
Let me know what outcomes you both get, I am interested to know if we get this problem fixed.
Will do.
Possibly the most controversial cameras out there. lol. I watched so many videos and all owners of this model love it and hate it at the same time. I guess I’ll think until the sale is over
i would rather to use S5IIx
what is this lens in the thumbnail?
It's a Cooke S4/I prime lens
What jib was that in the beginning?
By Prosup, great product 🙌
@@OBP_ yeah i have an eye on the prosup! Thx for the info
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mow mu did you drank befo e you ekooded this video?
This or BS1H (currently on sale and cheaper then CC6kFF by 500 AUD)
What type of stuff are you shooting?
@@OBP_ narrative and BTS.
Why do you keep on saying upgrade when in real sense it's not an upgrade of any of their brand line? It's a new line, an entrance into full frame ecosystem. Not an upgrade of 6K PRO or any other... Great content though found it usefull!!!
This or lumix s5ii?
What you shooting?
@@OBP_s5
it doesnt have video centric features that in 2023 is just a joke. IBIS, AF, and battery life should be a pre-req
I just wanna hear you say MASSIVE over and over (im a junglist) lol
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