Why I Didn't Pursue Medical School After Pharmacy School | PharmD to MD
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2017
- Here's my story about why I didn't pursue medical school after pharmacy school.
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My dad was a pharmacist. He graduated from the University of Houston School of Pharmacy. He was a medic in the United States Army. My father then decided to move to Pennsylvania to become a physcian. My father started his residency at the University of Texas Health Science Center. He worked very hard during his 3 year residency.He started at Memorial Hospital Northwest. Which later would become Memorial Hermann. My father is Dr. Herman Reyes F.P. Medicine and your patients miss you dad! And so do I.
I did not expect this kind of message. Your dad sounds like an amazing individual and someone that many looked up to. Thanks for sharing your story!
I really appreciate your perspective here. I'm about to start applying to pharmacy school in a couple of weeks and I was having second thoughts because of everything I read on the forums how its miserable it is. I'm in the middle of debating whether to just go ahead and try for med school next cycle so this really helped alot.
Hey Michael! Glad you found some insight from the video. Just to further add, and this is completely my own observation and opinion, there is definitely an overwhelming amount of negativity towards pharmacy out in the public - notably due to the saturation of pharmacy jobs, continual openings of pharmacy schools, and overall job satisfaction due to increased responsibilities. However! I would also say that this type of feedback is more geared towards those pharmacists working in the retail/community setting. Again from personal observation/opinion, I would say the overall job satisfaction among pharmacists who work in non-retail settings (e.g. academia, hospital, industry, etc) is much higher and the saturation isn't nearly as bad as retail/community. Of course, I'm just speaking very surface and there are many exceptions to what I'm saying. In any case, whichever path you choose, I wish you the best of luck! Let me know how it goes!
Thank you for sharing your story Brian and helpful advice! I also chose pharmacy over medicine and did not pursue medical school after my PharmD. I opted to continue with post-graduate training in critical care and academia as a pharmacist after 9 years of training.
Hello Brian, thank you so much for sharing your experience between battling med school urges and pharmacy practice. I could SOOO relate to your thoughts while rounding in hospitals and wondering whether I should pursue med. I'm currently a M2. Graduated PharmD in 2014 and have worked inpatient, outpatient, retail and everything in between and finally decided to take the plunge in 2016. I have absolutely no regrets today. I think what really pushed me into a medical career was because I was so fed up with the limited scope of practice that pharmacists have. As a pharmacist, we learn so much in pharm school and apply so little. I was tired of feeling so inadequate. Secondly, I also couldn't live without knowing what would my life have been if I hadn't tried one last time (got rejected 2X prior to pharm school). Anyways, I think your video would really help out those outliers in pharm school who are considering a switch to medicine. Also if any of your viewers need any advice on the switching process, id be happy to help. Thank You.
I mentioned you in my most recent video (ruclips.net/video/h4hLmmhisx4/видео.html) because these are the kinds of comments I was hoping to get. I imagine there are a ton of students hoping to get your perspective on the topic. Appreciate your share!
From PharmD to MD Currently a pharmacist and I am considering going back to med school. Would you be willing to walk me through the process that led you to your path now? What were some of your challenges, and also what kept you motivated
I wanna contact with you sir from pharm to md
Hey man did you have a waiver for the mcat since you had a pharmd D already? As in not having to take the mcat?
Hello sir, I am a pharmacist and currently I have started medical school, but I'm having a very big challenge especially from my pharmacy colleagues. I'm now confused on whether to give up or not. Please I need your advice. Thank...
Mohammed
Wow there is so much insight in this video. Throughout pharmacy school, I was mentally rotating thoughts between pharmacy and medical school. I love studying diseases and I love the biological sciences. It is weird that I loved studying the physical assessment courses, where you examine the patient, much more than the pharmacy communications courses, where you counsel on the medications. The major factor for me was blood, surgery, and guts as well. I never saw myself as a surgeon or practice in an ER setting but maybe I saw myself as an Endocrinologist, a pathologist, or a radiologist. Sometimes I kick myself in the butt for being sensitive and not trying, but am exhausted even thinking about it.
Right?! I spent a significant amount of time in pharmacy school reading the material my colleagues in med school was using because I found it so fascinating to examine patients. To your comment about it being exhausting just thinking about it......hindsight looking back, I'm glad I didn't pursue it. It's just so much additional work to reinvest time and energy into POST-pharmacy school. If I was still choosing, maybe....but I'm happy where I am now. Thanks for stopping by :)
you are such a motivation, thanks for your story
Thanks JP!! I'm glad it helped :)
Thank you for the highly informative reflection! Super helpful!
Thanks Mudit! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for sharing this! I'm going through the same situation except with optometry school. This was really motivating!
Thanks for watching! Do you plan on pursuing it?
@@briankfung Yep!! I'm going for it!
Stephanie Tran wow! That’s a big move! Props to you. You should share your story on RUclips!!
Brian Fung Yeah if it all pans out I will, taking the MCAT August 1!
Wow - that's crazy. Keep me posted! Would love to connect (ufbfung@gmail.com) to see if we can collab and/or share your story as well.
A lot of people have the misconception that pharmacy students are people who can't make it to medical school and settled into pharmacy. For me and foremost, I don't have the funds for medical school given the cards I've been dealt in life. Secondly, I'm more interested in medicine than diagnosing. I'm not keen on the responsibilities of a physician, its endless documentation, and terrible work-life balance. I much rather play the support than be at the front-line figuring out a disease- at least, that's how I see pharmacists.
Unless you own your own business, you're going to be thrown patients from the PAs, the nurse practitioners, and the owner of the business who frequently takes trips out of town all while juggling your patients. On the other hand, I don't want to settle in being a PA or nurse practitioner seeing as they don't have a doctorate in their field and have less knowledge on many matters. I don't mind dual enrolling or going back to school for this however along with a PharmD. It's just that the ones I seen constantly ask the supervising doctor questions - practically everyday for clarification or views; I don't want to put myself in a position where I have to constantly rely on the knowledge of a superior or be at the mercy of their mood everyday. Whereas in pharmacy, you got your techs to help out and everyone works in a team effort towards one goal.
I guess the cons to it is that you don't get reimbursed for your consults compared to a provider, which is fine to me because usually the consults are very short and informal. It's the tradeoff for not having the responsibility and putting in the financial and educational efforts of a MD. It's too bad that they don't give pharmacists provider status, but that makes sense or otherwise I could see them quickly replacing NPs...which bugs me a bit since they can prescribe medications given they have less formal education than a pharmacist. Though it's definitely rewarding as a physician if you enjoy taking the time to hear people's stories and getting to know the people around your community - definitely has its perks.
Completely agree. I'd even extend that misconception to many allied health professionals. Everyone automatically assumes that they chose their respective healthcare profession because they didn't get accepted to medical school. After not pursuing medical school myself, I'm completely satisfied with my work-life balance and, like you, not keen on the responsibilities that physicians carry.
Appreciate your thorough feedback :D. It's great to hear the stories of others and their rationales for why certain decisions were made.
in sufficient funds? most students take out loans- using personal funds for medical school is very unconventional. Work-life balance can be achieved as a physician- it all comes down to what each and every individual choose to prioritize.
@@PHILLYMEDIC69 Yes, it's unconventional, but I and another pharmacist I've worked under don't use student loans. I was inspired by that pharmacist who decided to go to college at age 26 instead of right after high school. He saved up and had support of his wife to go to pharmacy school so he never ended up in repaying back any loans or interest.
A work-life balance for a physician can be achieved, but I've shadowed, worked with physicians as medical scribes, and volunteered to help them before. And my experience says otherwise unless you own the business or have a very forgiving employer/manager. Also, it depends on your specialty. I know that dermatology is probably one of the best in work-life balance specialties. The fact that medical scribes even became a popular field for medical students tells you enough that physicians deal with very stressful responsibilities - enough that they're willing to pay for help to lessen the juggling they have to do at and after work.
You are talking about saturation,but in my country I feel that's not the case. I think news once mentioned we actually lack pharmacists,and from my mother's stories you can easily find a job. I don't know what the future holds though,but I'll put pharmacy,medicine,speech therapy,dental medicine and maybe rehabilitation education on my wish list of universities. I just need to figure out the order in which I will put them.
Hey Danijela! There is definitely a lot of saturation in pharmacy in the USA. Especially in the retail/community setting. It’s fantastic to hear that is not the case in your country. It also sounds like you have a big decision to make. I’m sure you’ll make the right one :). Best of luck to you!
Thanks for sharing! It's a very tough decision.
It definitely was - though - looking back at it now after a few years, I certainly have no regrets!
hey Brian. I like the way the you eloquently articulate your thoughts and opinions. I am a practicing pharmacist. I can't say that I considered Med school during pharmacy school. I was anxious to graduate and start practicing. Pharmacy school was almost 200K in CA, and took me 8 yrs to get a pharm.d post HS. I just wanted to pay off my loans and living the "adult" life. After practicing pharmacy for several yrs, I regret not going to med school bc of the pharmacists saturation and other problems that we have in the profession. I feel like pharmacy was much better in the 90's and early 2000's compared to nowadays.
Hi Tim, thanks for watching and sharing your experience. I also agree with you on pharmacy being better in the past. The saturation of the pharmacy job market nowadays is quite unfortunate and the growth of pharmacy schools around the nation certainly isn't helping. On a more positive note, in last years publication of the pharmacy forecast, they are thinking that enrollment in pharmacy schools is going to decrease by 10% so hopefully that'll help. Thanks for sharing your story!
learned it all from you man lol
Hi Tim, would you encourage people to find another career if they are currently trying to pursue a career in pharmacy ?
i believe you are right, I am a finel Pharmacy student in Kenya and I see the market is flooded and the pharmacist are being kicked tot he curb because of other counterpart qualifications.
Hey TR - I know this question was directed at Tim, but I'd like to add some food for thought. The short answer to your question would be - it depends. Personally, I suggest individuals pursue careers in industries they are truly interested in. The ones who do, are the ones that excel in the field, represent the profession well, and shouldn't really have too much of an issue finding a job in a saturated market. I really think that passion is a hedge against unfavorable job market conditions. On the flip side, if you aren't interested in pharmacy for the right reason (e.g. money), I'd certainly suggest against it. You'll end up hating the job and it'll certainly reflect in your job interviews and search lending yourself to be quite unmarketable in an already saturated market. Hope that helps!
It's a wise choice to know what you want to do and what you can or can't do.
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People always seem to shy away from medical school because they think it's going to be a terrible lifestyle and they'll be on call 24/7. This is not true. There are many specialties and opportunities for you to live life fully and still be a doctor. The beginning part may be rough in terms of getting in medical school, going through residency, but after that.. life can be pretty good. There are many fields in medicine, literally countless. Not everything is surgery.
Hey Jacob! Thanks for the perspective. It’s actually somewhat surprising to hear that considering many of the attending physicians I talked to while thinking about entering medical school discouraged me from pursuing it because of the lifestyle. Granted, I also wasn’t fully immersed within the medical community - more so just the physicians I encountered during rotations. I think if more people heard your perspective, it’ll be more positive and encouraging to those thinking about entering medical school!
I was in medical school and dropped out of medical school because all in all, medicine is still a very taxing job to me (I said job and not profession). Even during my supposedly less stressful rotations, e.g. general practice, I felt a huge amount of stress because of the time constraints we had with patients and the amount of material I had to cover for exams (and this is not just all we had to deal with, to be realistic). Even though a GP might not need to be on call 24/7, it is stressful enough to convince me that medical school isn't for me. Medicine is in fact a lifestyle and lifelong-learning job. If you aren't up for this constant cycle of pressure, you should seriously think about something more beneficial for yourself. It is hard for me to describe what Medicine really is in words - you need to experience it to know what I'm talking about. Well, there are people made for the system and there are those who aren't. To each his own.
Hello Brian, thank you so much for sharing your experience but I wonder what the difference between medical and pharmacy opportunity job and its the field are. Next few months, I will graduate from high school. I hope you can explain my confusion.
Hi Thu! Thanks for watching and early congrats on graduating soon - the different pathways you'll encounter as you begin college may be daunting at first, but it'll be exciting at the same time.
In regards to your question, there are many ways to answer your question and it depends on context. I'll begin by saying I didn't go to medical school so I can't fully explain all of the opportunities they offer post-med school. However, I'll make the following high-level observations: 1) pharmacy job market is quite saturated at the moment from the traditional sense - community/retail positions are a tough market. 2) pharmacy job market in other areas, especially non-traditional paths (e.g. informatics, startups, social media influencers), may be alternative options, 3) post-medical school options appear to be balanced for supply & demand, but we're always looking for ways to decrease healthcare costs and some orgs may opt for hiring PAs and NPs instead of a MD. Granted, I wouldn't say there is a saturated market in medicine when you compare it to pharmacy.
Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
hi.came across your channel and its amazing.Can you make a video on how you desensitized yourself in the process of applying to med school.
Appreciate the kind words! I certainly can in a future video and can also share some here as well. During every one of my APPE rotations I would go and ask my preceptor, med student friends, and random surgeons if I could shadow various surgeries. This was certainly the most challenging and nearly fainted on many occasions. I also spent a lot of time watching traumatic reconstructive surgeries and traumas on youtube to get a sense of how one goes about handling fast paced surgeries (I wanted to be a trauma surgeon). I got used to it for some time, but after responding to a traumatic tracheostomy one time, I couldn't do it anymore...
I was totally considering this, but I actually switched from being interested in clinical work to something more unconventional.
you truly have to be committed to follow through on such an arduous journey. In many ways, I'm glad I didn't go down this route. Can I ask what route you ended up going down?
@@briankfung Sure thing! I abandoned residency after 2 years of resume building because I realized what I like about being in a hospital is surgery. Then when considering medical school, I realized the length of residency following medical school just wasn't worth it to me. I wanted to be debt free and have more flexibility with my life. So less than a year ago, I switched back to pursuing nuclear pharmacy, which is the whole reason I went to pharmacy school. Sometimes square one is the right square, I suppose! If that clinical itch ever comes back, I'll probably find a PA program I can do in just one year, which would open doors to at least a minor surgical aspect
llallogen Ed
Your reading comprehension score was about the same as mine and I'm a medical student. You would've been good enough for medical school :-)
+The Ate Up StudentDoctor thanks!! Appreciate the vote of confidence! Saw a few of your video btw, good luck on your journey through med school - cheers to you!
I wanted to be a pharmacist but my grades are low I ended up have a bachelor degree in biomedical science in minor in chemistry it was though now I have my son who's 1 year old now. I wanna find my purpose and be example to him. Now I'm between PA or pharmacy.
that's still awesome you got a bachelor degree! Did you end up going with PA or pharmacy?
Do you have an idea why pharmacy around the world nowadays seems to be saturated? And what else is the difference between pharmacy in the past and now?
That's a great question! I can't really speak on pharmacy saturation outside of the US as much of my knowledge is limited to within the US. With that said, I think the general themes that have influenced a saturation of pharmacy begins in the early 2000s. There was a shortage of pharmacists in the profession and it was heavily advertised. That likely led to the lucrative sign on bonuses ($10-50k) and growth to a 6 figure salary for the profession. Lots of students became interested, myself included, and everyone wanted to be a pharmacist because it had flexible hours and a easy path to 6 figures. With that said, an insane amount of pharmacy schools began popping up to accommodate this need and the supply of pharmacists started to grow exponentially to the point where the demand is lower than the supply - leading to saturation. The problem, is that schools continue to pop up...further adding to the problem. IMO, schools are popping up because it's extremely lucrative for them to charge students insane 150-500k in tuition. You can likely find hundreds of articles talking about all of those things in more detail if you're interested.
In regards to pharmacy in the past and present, I think there are a lot of differences. I'm not sure if you had a more specific question in mind, but I think two notable differences are 1) heavier emphasis on clinical roles - especially with the 2004 shift to PharmD as a the minimum degree and 2) the degree in which information technology, especially automation, has impacted the profession. Hope that answers your question!
I'm not from the US, but doesn't the government regulate the number of pharmacy schools and pharmacy student enrolments? Also, is there anything currently done in the US to relieve this problem?
They don’t no. The agency that accredits new pharmacy schools only says yes/no they meet accreditation standards, there’s no limit on number of pharmacy schools. I get the impression that most students interested in pharm are aware of this now though and have second thoughts about entering based on what I see on forums and talking to students. I’m thinking it’ll balance out over time with supply and demand though.
Brian great video but I plan on pursuing clinical pharmacy after doing my masters.
Could u please share ur views regarding clinical pharmacy as in if it's a career which has good growth or in terms of pay, job security and job satisfaction.
Hi Natasha! Clinical pharmacy roles are very fulfilling, in my opinion. Granted, everyone has their own preferences in what they like and don't like, so you'll want to do a bit of shadowing to see if it's something that you personally enjoy as well. As for pay and job security, the projected job growth per the US Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2018 estimates a 0% growth in jobs with a decrease of 100 jobs over the next 10 years. Median pay in 2018 was $126, 120/year or $60.64/hour.
With that said, pay, job security, and job satisfaction will differ depending on organization, role, and geographical location. Nevertheless, it's a great career if it's something you enjoy. Job market isn't super great for pharmacy right now though is the only downside.
Dude I am in pharmacy third year as well and I have an issue with blood and injuries that makes me faint. If it weren’t for that I would have easily challenged myself in medical school. Can you tell me what did you try to desensitise yourself because I tried searching online for ways to overcome this problem but nothing useful stood out.
I definitely feel your pain lol. A few of my medical colleagues said that it was just repetition to desensitize. I did that a lot during my APPEs where I shadowed trauma surgeons, critical care physicians, and ED physicians (outside of APPE hours) to see if I could tolerate it. I nearly fainted every time LOL. Alternatively, I'd watch a lot of surgical procedures on youtube to desensitize. Honestly, I think if I did that for >1 year, it might have been better.
Brian Fung this is the crazy thing, I am completely okay with watching the most horrifying medical procedures on RUclips or anywhere, but if it were in real life, I would be so anxious my heart rate increases and boom I just feel myself blacking out and I can’t do shit about it, unless I lay down horizontally I would never regain consciousness.. it’s annoying me a lot.
Brian Fung thanks for replying to my comment by the way. I guess i would have to strategically desensitise myself with repeated mini exposures. But its hard lol it’s not like I can simulate real injuries or seek real injuries out there haha it’s stupid I know
I’m actually scared to choose. I got into a school who had a PharmD program which is the 6 years course but I also wanted to be doctor. I’m worried about the time it takes up and financial needs because med school is expensive. It’s just hard to choose.
Pharmacy market isn't too good rn. Not telling you what to do but just a warning.
I'm in complete agreement with Jingles here. Pharmacy market is quite saturated right now and because of your statement about wanting to be a physician, I question whether this may be in your best interest to pursue. Though, similar to Jingles, I'm not suggesting you pursue, or not pursue, pharmacy. It's probably something you'll have to think through more and perhaps talk with more individuals to determine if pharmacy is right for you.
In my opinion, if you have any inkling towards med school, then use all your sources to pursue medical school first. Research Research Research! There are so many routes to medical school nowadays, I feel like it is easier to get into med school now than it was years ago. Even if you didn't get in the first time, try again. Don't worry about length of time or loans too much. It will pan out eventually. It is better to pursue medical school while you are young and energetic, rather than late in life.
Thanks dude
thanks for stopping by!
I loved this so much, I am currently in the same shoes.
Glad you enjoyed the video Ahlam! It's definitely something that I feel most, if not all, pharmacy students feel at some point during their training.
Yes, for sure!! I am in my 2nd Internal Medicine rotation and I just fell in love with medicine, but I feel so nausea when I get some patients, so I can definitely relate to everything you said. Thank you so much!!!
Lol this made my day. The nausea is real...I had to step out multiple times. RUclips was a good way to densensitize for the really traumatic ones. Let me know what route you end up going! I only knew a few of my classmates that ended up going for it
HAHAH, I meant nauseous! But, I will definitely keep you posted. For now I think it's best I focus on getting into a residency program and passing my boards. And if after I still have that passion for medical school, I'll pursue the medical route!
sounds like a plan! If you're going down the residency route, I'm assuming you'll be attending midyear. If so, maybe I'll see you there! Good luck on rotations - it's the best part of pharmacy school aside from graduating haha
As a staff U.S. pharmacist, I believe that most pharmacists work under much more pressure than most doctors ( exception is surgery or anesthesiology or those doctors who conduct complex medical procedures requiring high level of skills). Pharmacists are expected to work with 100% accuracy. Almost all mistakes that are made by pharmacists are considered preventable, and, therefore, pharmacists are liable for them. While doctors are also expected not to make medical mistakes, many mistakes will be determined as non-preventable, and , therefore, doctors will not be found liable by medical boards and courts. Most medical practices require that you sign a consent, which pretty much releases doctors from liabilities arising form medical incompetence. Moreover, with good legal representation, most preventable mistakes made by doctors will be "converted" to non-preventable mistakes by good lawyers. At least 50% of doctors don't know what they are doing, however, it is not required of them to know because they are so much unknown in the world of natural sciences. On the other hand, when it comes to pharmacy everything is pretty much known! There is little "unknown" area in pharmacy. Therefore , it will be highly expected from your employer and pharmacy board that you know what you are doing! If time, money and other resources allow, become a doctor ( think twice about surgery or anesthesiology), and it will be much less stressful than working as a pharmacist! Becoming a doctor is much more difficult than becoming a pharmacist. However, working as a doctor is easier than working as a pharmacist! Most doctors take educated guesses, and this is how they actually learn about the "right" way of treating a patient.
Hello Brian, for me currently am fresh graduate from Pharmacy school but my passion has always been surgery and this is the reason I want to join medical school. Advice me please.
Thank you
Eric.
Hi Eric! Congrats on your graduation! I probably don't have the best advice as I never ended up going to medical school or pursuing surgery. If you really are interested in medical school, I'd encourage you to check out student doctor forums as there have been many who have made the transition from pharmacy to medical school or just going straight to medical in general. Hope that helps!
@@briankfung thanks I have a way forward
I have uncles that did study medicines before I started pharmacy school, I seek advice from them if it worth it to study MD after true with Pharm sch. All them were talking about, was the student loans is a lot. The whole idea is to pursue what you like wisely. Not every MD's are happy because they are physician including my uncle, trust me. Pursuing MD after getting PharmD, make sure you have the CASH before you embark on that journey because you don't want to be miserable at the end. Secondly, you want to consider your age. How many years left for you to work to pay-off the debt before living a normal life? We all need a life mentally. SO THINK WISELY.
Completely agree here. Hindsight is also 20/20 as I certainly didn’t agree back when I was in this position and pursued it despite MDs telling me to not go down this path. However, everything happens for a reason and I ended up not doing it because of my phobia of blood. Certainly, age, finances, and passion should be considered as you specifically pointed out. Thanks for sharing!
Can you tell how many year to complete md After pharmD
Pls let me know the duration of MD after PharmD... Also please let me know the colleges offering MD AFTER PharmD
Why not IBR (10%, 20 years) or PLF?
You sound weird.
Hello,
I am a hospital pharmacist in USA and I want to become a doctor so
In order to do that I need to give MCAT and in order to give MCAT do I need to do all my "prerequisites" courses for it or I can directly prepare for MCAT and then get into medical school...........
I am so confused.....
Can you please reply..............???
Hi Prince - you likely have to do both your prerequisites AND the MCAT. Every medical school has different prerequisite too - so you need to contact the ones you are interested in to figure out what your plan should be. Hope that helps!
Hey Brian great video again! Do you have an email that I could ask you a question about this topic?
Aydan Sparks feel free to shoot me an email at fung.brian@mayo.edu
There is also the option on a dual PharmD and MBA
I can't even imagine how challenging it is to do a dual degree during pharm lol. But absolutely yes! PharmD, MBA would be an awesome dual degree to have for upward/expedited momentum to climb the career ladder
@@briankfung One of my staff pharmacists did that...and he still ended up in retail. Honestly I don't think an MBA is all that useful aside from possibly using the alumni services for networking or if the career you're interested specifically requires that degree. I know independent pharmacies with people that don't have an MBA and are running it just fine.
I’m from India, I don’t have biology in high school.I only have physics chemistry math and CompSci,Can I do pharmD in USA or get into Medschool after any Bsc degree
Yes and no. It'll depend on which pharmacy or medical school you want to attend as the pre-requisites are different across those schools. Some are mostly the same, but many are different. To determine if you can do pharmacy or medical school, you'll have to choose the schools you want to attend and then read their pre-requisites to determine if you meet them. If you have more questions, you could always email their admissions to double check. Hope that helps!
I still don't know what should i really do. I am now a third yeat student of Pharmacy and I am not gratuated yet. I love to study pharmacy subjecta like Pharmacology,Pharmaceutical chemistry etc ., but somtimes i really want to be a doctor because Pharmacists rarely contact with patients closely ,they only consel about medicine and dos and don'ts.For me i want to stay close to patients health carw and to diagnose about disease. But i don't wanna spend my time and finance to study med sch but if someone ask me that stay whole day only in the pharmacy department and spend the rest of my life like this , I will say NO I can't. So can u advise me what should i do.
Hey Eldorado. Thanks for the detailed question. I answered it on my livestream and I hope you find it helpful! Good luck! Weekly Livestream Q&A ruclips.net/video/dQEPJyr8WzA/видео.html
hello. i am Pharm D gradutate and now i want to do MD (doctor of medicines) .i am confused that what will b duration of MD after Pharmacy and what will b the subjects ...because most of friends says that duration will b two years ?please give me answer .m waiting very excited
Hi Nasir - I'm sad to say that the duration of medical school after pharmacy school is no different than if you went straight into medical school. It'll still be 4 years of medical school, at minimum. When I considered medical school, I was thinking 4 years of medical school, 1 year internship, 3 years residency, 2 years fellowship in infectious disease for a total of 10 more years AFTER your PharmD. Even with the advent of the first PharmD/MD program at Rutgers (see article: journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2168479016652926 ), it is still a minimum of 4 years PharmD and 4 years MD. Hope that helps and best of luck to you!
@@briankfung i really appreciate your videos.... i want to go for md after completing my pharm d program.... but I am upset by seeing your reviews related to it .... would it possible for you to make another video in which you told us about the people who did md after completing their pharm d program... so that we all get motivate to go for it ...... please sir it's a humble request to you ...
Medicine can be pretty rewarding. Not all medical specialties are super hardcore in hospital 24/7 5 days a week. Some of us work more normal hours and make good money.
Hey Jacob - definitely agree! I have many friends that are doing typical clinic hours and have a more reasonable work-life balance.
@Jyoti Singh Sorry Jyoti, I didn't see this comment until just now. If you're looking for the shortest route in medicine it would probably be family medicine and internal medicine which is three years. You can be a hospitalist and do 7 on 7 off which leaves you with free time for half the year. You could be an anesthesiologist and make 300+ easy working 40-50 hrs a week. You could be a dermatologist and make a similar amount working 40-50 hrs a week in an outpatient setting with normal working hrs. There's literally so many routes. There are many advantages to doing more training though (much higher salary potentials). I myself do pain management/PM&R which is predominantly 9-5, or maybe less, outpatient, no call. It's a pretty good salary, $300+ with a high ceiling, some docs I know make 500+. I never have to worry about finding a job. Even during the pandemic, I got offers coming in nonstop, one particular doc wanted me to even take over his existing successful practice. They're so annoying that I stop paying attention like it's spam.
I just got admission offer for UF Pharmacy school. You are my senior 😁
Hey Sohan! Congratulations!! And welcome to the Gator Nation :)
Brian Fung Thank you so much. I can’t wait to start... also nice video of you. I was also thinking for medical after Pharmacy school, but I know that’s not what I want 😁
I went to medical school after debating pharmacy vs medical school… I wish I went to pharmacy school… I’m soo burnt out
it can be relative too - i was extremely burnt out with pharmacy school. In my mind, anything in life can burn you out. Hang in there though! Medical school is obviously no walk in the park and be sure to take time out for yourself. We need more physicians!
@@briankfung medical school was the fun part.. im a practicing hospitalist for two years now.. maybe it's my specialty but i know ED docs, ICU docs, surgeons who are the same way.. dealing with difficult families, having to deal with delirious patients, drug seekers, things going wrong and new problems coming up all the time when u were about the discharge the patient, expectations with metrics and discharge times, dealing with consultants who dont want to consult, a lot of times the patient just doesnt get better and you cant help them.. ughhhhh .. the hospital pharmacists seem to have it nice.. dont have to deal with families/patients and get to have a birds eye view of everything..
This is crazy, that’s going to be the next 15 years of your life
right.....? lol.....i was a crazy person back then. However, I was 100% willing to do it because I loved it so much. Though, I probably wouldn't nowadays.
A pharm-d students after completing MD can he diagnosed a patient? Sir please help
You certainly can Paul!
Helpful tqsm....sir
Is your pharmacy school gpa above 3.5?
It was, why do you ask?
Why they hell would anyone go to medical school after pharmacy school?
you'd be surprised haha. The grass is always greener on the other side
do you have an instagram that we can follow?
Sure do! ufbfung is my Instagram.
Do you know about Zidovera Herbal powder?
Unfortunately, I do not.
It's the product that makes the end result of Azidothymidine.
Gotcha. Why do you ask about it?
It's a product that they use to treat HIV and Hepatitis and now they are using it for covid patients, as you are a pharmacist I asked to see if you would know, but the more I check into this I realize a lot of people don't know that this thing exist. Only the Pharmaceutical companies know about Zidovera Herbal powder they are buying it up in bulk and I find it strange.
Gotcha. I'm in informatics so I'm a bit further out from direct patient care. I guess I don't have much more insight to offer. I typically only review things that are approved by FDA or have more primary literature to support it.
It’s all the money man, it’s not about your title or name of school on your degree or “helping people”
to each their own! One's income and its correlation to happiness hits a plateau around $75k. I don't need to more money to be happy as a pharmacist.
Pharmacy job is so saturated now. MD would have been way better.
way too saturated....I can't handle the blood though for MD route. If I had to re-do, I probably would have stuck to my original goals of becoming a computer engineer.
Why would you go to medical school after pharmacy school? That is such a long roundabout way to go instead of just taking prerequisites and then applying. For pharmacy you’re already going to 4 years of undergrad and 4 years of pharmacy school.
It absolutely is a long route! Everyone has their own reasons, but for me it was because I couldn’t see myself doing clinical pharmacy my entire life and I fell in love with medicine during rotations. Some ppl find their passions early on, some find it later. I fell into the latter camp :)
Hi Sir, How to become a Physician assistant after Pharm.D? Is that worth? How many years it will take to become PA after completion of Pharm.D in India?
There’s no faster route to PA after pharmd. You would just want to follow the typical application process for applying to PA school. Best of luck!
Med school is so overrated. Nursing path is so much short, Surgical NP, CRNA Anesthesiologist, etc. We have it all.
Lots of options in nursing!! Super awesome profession. :)
Pharmacist D is a total Doctor. They only need specialty training for MD.
I don't completely understand the comment about only needing specialty training for MD, but yes, I do agree that a pharmacist holds a doctorate in pharmacy.
@@briankfung Meaning if they want to practice clinically as a Medical Doctor all they need is specialty training in whatever field they want to go into. They are technically the glue that holds alot of MD's together in faults/malpractice in prescribing the wrong medicine. They are like medical consultants to alot of MD'S. I've done it for a long time, consulting MD's about medications they have written. SAVING THE DAY AND PATIENTS, EITHER FINANCIALLY OR PHYSICAL/Emotional HEALTH.
@@briankfung So basically choose a specialty one would want to go into, study the USMLE, be tested and start Residency as a PharmD to MD. They would be paid more because they are coming from a high place already just transitioning laterally into clinically handling the patient basically bedside manner. They already know how to write a prescription and what drug to prescribe for what conditions clinically. They know how to consult the patient. 1 year of specialty training as a transition laterally change into a MD. Learning the specialty and the policies and procedures of that hospital they will work for. THAT is ALL they need.
@@briankfung If they want to keep their PharmD and add MD they will take 2 years course training. But to transit from PharmD to MD is 1 year.
Its economic s. I love Chemistry...Ill stick with pharmacy. Alot of ppl a fearmongering yes its saturated now, but what isnt now a days? Theres lawyers, accountants. When Everyone switches to MD. That will be more room for me :) in Pharmacy u have so many career paths to go. U dont have to do retail. I love pharmacy because I have low.tolerAnce for blood and diseases and all that jazz. I rather be the one giving u medicine lol
You’re absolutely right, everything is saturated lol. Though, if given the chance, I’d probably go back and do engineering. Since that didn’t happen, pharmacy worked out cause I’m just like you - no blood and guts for me!
All these "smart people" still no hover boards.
Lmfaoooo! Best comment here
You’d be 40 by the time you finish school if you had to do all those fucking pre reqs and med school
Yup lol. I'm so glad I didn't go that route looking back
Why I didnt go to medical school -> Why I couldnt go to medical school
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I came to your channel searching for whether or not i should do Md. i recently came to this idea of doing Md after pharm-d . I graduated with pharm.d in 2012, basically 2013 when i got my degree. I still have to clear oscy. Dnt attempt thou. If i think of md after i clear my oscy. How many years i have to do after 4 years of study? Im asking about residency n fellowship . Please guide. Also im 29 years old. Honestly speaking, is it worth it now?? Im excited but confused as well. I also love trauma surgery. Plz help me clear my mind
Hey Areeba! Great questions - I actually just created a video that will hopefully answer your questions! ruclips.net/video/h4hLmmhisx4/видео.html
so he asweer u how many years after pharmacy to mbbs
Most people going into medicine most of them don't use the certificate to work because of match most of them don't have passion for it as am talking to u most of the doctor in the us are jobless why forcing urself into medical school because of money why can't u choose something else
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Augustina! Hopefully, everyone that chooses to pursue medicine has a strong passion and why for it.
@@briankfung 👍👍
Gawd damn, what a shitty reason not to pursue med school. Fear of blood? really? you could have literally become a family doctor or pediatrician , not every damn doctor is working in the ER room operating on someones brain or guts. Also why did you not just get a waiver for the mcat? waivers for health professionals exist for the mcat
Hey Don! I didn’t think I’d make a great physician with that type of fear. I’d rather avoid it as to not harm patients. There are plenty of ways to provide good patient care and I’m happy where I am today :). The MED schools I was looking at also didn’t allow waivers unfortunately. Thanks for stopping by!
@@briankfung No problem man
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Oh god ! Another weird Asian thought !
Asians definitely have weird thoughts. Especially me 😂
What sane person would still want to attend pharmacy school and have $100k's in debt to end up in a dead-end career?
I'll let these news article titles speak for themselves.
"BLS projects 0% growth in pharmacist jobs over the next decade (actually negative) while similar occupations will all grow at a faster than average pace"
Becker's Hospital Review "'We're training our kids for jobs that won't exist"
"HRSA Allied Health Workforce Projections, 2016-2030: Pharmacists. Oversupply projected"
"A Looming Joblessness Crisis for New Pharmacy Graduates "
"Walmart layoff 40% of its pharmacists"
That's a very good question. I think part of the reason why students still pursue pharmacy is because of the marketing of pharmacy schools and the promise of a 6-figure salary.