I think he's one of the best villain that has ever written in the gaming history, so dark, conflicted, complex and subtle... that's one of the reasons why GTA SA is legendary.
Perhaps a bit too subtle. If you just played and finished the game, you most likely won’t realise Smoke’s conflicted nature about working with Tenpenny. We would most likely thought that Smoke was simply a heartless bastard who took the power and betrayed the Grove in the process but in fact he was threatened and forced into doing this deal by Tenpenny or else CRASH would put him down. The money and power was just there to sweeten the deal and allow CRASH to use him as their boy to run the drug empire. Imo the whole game and the Introduction movie didn’t do a very good job at explaining Smoke’s character. Like how Smoke actually didn’t want to kill his childhood friend Sweet at all, how Tenpenny threatens him (The phone call), or how he simply couldn’t force his own hands to kill his friend and decided to hire the Ballas to do a drive-by to kill Sweet instead (Well, this part is just a theory but I think it would fit well with his character). Smoke definitely has potential to be just as good as a villain Tenpenny was. Make him feel more like a forced to be a villain type and have him show more remorse over betraying the Grove. Add some more direct scenes and hint to the introduction or the game to show how CRASH threatened him would be perfect. Imo Rockstar has written him a bit too subtle and that’s why I think most of us won’t even realise his actual character.
@@Phantom5611 don´t get me wrong i absolutely agree with you but i like it when R* don´t likes to show what is really up in the introduction cutscenes and GTA SA itself. Its just like you have to find out and get what you get kind of thing. But if they show us every information that we want, these cool theories wouldnt happen.
Man, I think differently of him now, I thought all this dialogue ment nothing, but now I realize it's all character development. I salute you sir, this is incredible decoding
Isaac Badell-Riviere I always thought any game could have a greater purpose, especially gta. Before this video, I knew there was something up with tenpenny pulling strings on smoke and ryder, but I was left kinda scared watching the video and realizing tenpenny was trying to get sweet killed by smoke. Making a big order just to buy ballas time to set up and ice em really spooked me.
True eye-opener videos! 👁👁 PS: Big Smoke has a bunch of pedestrian dialougue where he says lines like "I am a friend of the police force" "You might know my friend officer Tenpenny" "I know your boss,officer" etc ;)
i have a theory ... maybe when big smoke said " you picked up the wrong house fool " maybe he thought cj was the ballas who did the job and shoot cj's mom's house instead of sweet's house
Damn san andreas has one of the darkest storylines in gta history when you break down like this. Like making his order that long for the ballas to kill them smh.
Smoke was perfectly written. I just wished they didn't take out certain bits from the beta because it would have made the storyline even better than it is. Thank you for the great explanation keep up the work maybe you could do one on Toreno next and the part he played in this game
The real culprit all this time is Tenpenny. He had the cunning intention to blackmail every person he rolled with to expand his crack empire, and doesn't hesitate to kill anyone going against him (mostly by forcing CJ to do the dirty work to avoid Tenpenny himself getting caught). Thus, like you said - Smoke and Ryder were actually staying true to their principles until Tenpenny manipulated them. So sad to see CJ killing their childhood friends :(
I like the word " overlooked ". Most of the players play this game just to have fun, but this game has much more to it. I think you are the only channel that keeps "searching" this game. Next character you can analyse is The Truth who is weird as fuck but makes sense if you listen to him carefully (just like smoke). Ive been a subscriber since 2k, still love your vids!
I think smoke trying to kill sweet with a baseball bat is little far fetched. And the bat breaking CJs moms picture is just a symbolism (which i didn't notice till now).
Yeah if Smoke was planning on murdering sweet with the bat, why did he say "You picked the wrong house fool"? That sounds more like he thought CJ was a burglar than Sweet.
Maybe because he noticed that it wasnt sweet? So he actually thought it was a burglar. Why would he even be in the house if he lived in balla territory? and just to mention, why wouldnt he be in the funeral? Because he was planning on killing sweet. Thats my guess
Zanity That might’ve just been like his last words to Sweet before he attempt to beat him with the bat, because he didn’t know it was CJ until after he ran up. Imagine a scene where Sweet would enter the home to grieve his mother more, but Smoke comes out saying “you picked the wrong house fool” right before he finishes the job.
This also makes it obvious that the Ballas attack on Grove Street during the mission 'House Party' was planned by Smoke and/or Tenpenny, and that Ryder knew this and so he did not take part in the fight because he knew that he would be messing up Smokes'/Tenpennys plan...
The House Party attack is probably to justify Scipio's (Madd Dogg previous manager) death by CJ in Management Issues as Scipio had stated that he knew the Balla OGs.
I don't think Smoke is overlooked at all. The hints that pointed out his betrayal however were well hidden and needed some closer attention to the story. So major props to Rockstar in this case (they did fuck up with Ryder's betrayal, but Smoke was handled much better). Nice job on pointing out that Smoke's "random bullshit" were actually really meaningful. I thought I was the only on who noticed them, haha. And finally, after all these years I see a logical reason on why Smoke was at CJ's house at the beginning of the game. I could never think of anything that would explain that scene. On the other hand though, doesn't Sweet have his own house? :P Or what if he hadn't arrived alone?
"Thanks, and I meant that Smoke is overlooked by the community, because most people just focus on his famous roar and order :P. " I think that's pretty much true. But I think there are also players who enjoy both the comedic side of SA and the serious side of it. "About the house thing, I guess Smoke played the risky method, because I assume he thought Sweet would come over at his mother's place after the funeral." Hmm, that could be it. I mean, I don't really see any other reason for Smoke being in The Johnson House.
In my opinion in the mission "Sweet's Girl" the set-up on Sweet could've been organised by Smoke too. Mane, I don't know why as a youngster I never noticed CRASH at Smoke's and Ryder's house as something suspicious.
Honestly it could have because before and after both temple and seville families are cool with GSF it's also interesting how there is the beach territory making it a total of 4 sets
tbh, I see smoke what cj exactly saw from him, I've always thought that he was just a weird fat guy with his "bullshit" I learned something new about big smoke and the storyline. Very impressive analysis you've done
What if on the “end of the line” mission the only reason ten penny came was to kill smoke and take his money but he seen cj done already killed him so he tried to kill cj as well 🤷🏽♂️
That makes sense story wise but as he refused to answer he just could've killed him right after giving him the money,without telling him so CJ had no chance to take cover or anything.But as saw Sweet is a ninja how did Tempeny not see Sweet in that car before entering the building.And even after exiting the building he was getting in that truck completely ignoring sweet.How much would it take to just shoot him down it wouldn't even made a difference cataching a plane or not so...
Probably a fact. After all, he was carrying a SPAS shotgun, that's beside we knowing that he went to Smoke's hideout to take the money, which Smoke wouldn't have easily given up for Tenpenny.
Another interesting thing is Smoke's weird behavior in Drive-By. He only says like 2 random lines all throughout the mission, he does not appear in the intro cutscene and it's the only mission in which he actually shoots at Ballas.
Here in latín América someone are translating your in-depth analysis vídeos. Robbing you, without the great credit that u deserve. I love this kind of vids. Hugs from 🇦🇷
*CJ Sweet Ryder and Smoke walk into an ammunation* Gun guy: what would you tough fellas like today? CJ: eh I'll take a tec-9 gun guy Ryder: I'll get a tec-9 like his Sweet: lemme get a shotgun with an extended clip Smoke: I'll have a tec-9 a tec-9 scope a carbine rifle with extended clip 2 RPGs one that's pink and a grenade launcher
I feel bad for Smoke and especialy Ryder since they were forced into drug trafficking by Tempenny but that doesn't justify what they did but you can see that if there was another way for Smoke to not kill Sweet and CJ Smoke would take it,Ryder on the other hand became a antagonist due to bad writing or because of problems with the voice actor Great video fam keep it up
Bro if you think about it, CJ experienced the same thing, only worse. The only guys that treated CJ as a friend was Cesar and Woozie. Cj got forced to steal a mother fucking fighter plane from a military ship and fight experienced jet pilots mid-air.
Even CJ figured out those Russian mobsters during mission "Just Business" were 'organized' in what they were doing. Remember this dialogue from CJ?: "Ah, Smoke! These cats is organised. It's something you ain't tellin' me man!" And Smoke quickly gets an idea to escape the mobsters (or was it also to divert CJ's attention from the conversation?) By the way, another awesome video Kevin, keep em' rollin' :D
Well, when you shove all this evidence in my face like that, of course now I believe that Smoke had more depth that I originally thought, but before that, I was kinda shocked that he was a traitor (I was very young the first time I got to reach the Green Sabre mission).
This has made me notice so much more stuff about the plot I never noticed before and it makes me appreciate how deep of a story it was. I honestly think this is one of the best stories from a game ever if not the best. I like GTA 5s story a lot too but nowhere near as much as this. This is for sure my favorite game ever and will probably play it until I die every now and again. I've watched the DVD multiple times and 100% it on pc twice (v1 and v2 executable), ps2, ps3 and iphone. Now I know all this I'll pay attention and appreciate the story even more my next playthrough.
Hubschling but cj wouldnt have any idea about smokes involvement since the ballas did the shooting. Also cj was only against drugs cause sweet his older brother was.
cray 3K: He wasn’t stubborn when that black crackhead loser tried to get him to toke the smoke back at the house and she threatened CJ with having to deal with B-Dup.
I didn't think anything of Big Smoke when I played this game... ...played through multiple times and never caught these hints. Brilliant two-part vid, my man.
Wow. All of this went waaay over my head as a 12 year old when I first played San Andreas. Thanks for making these videos. These videos, and your Ryder analysis, have really given me a deeper appreciation for the game's story and characters. I think it's a shame they cut out that dialogue. It would have probably helped clue a lot more people into what what really going on, instead of having that big "OH SHIT" moment in the Green Sabre mission. Really great stuff, my dude. Peace and Love - Joe
Z3D G4ME nope big smoke was waiting for sweet to come back from the funeral so he can wack sweet with a baseball bat if big smoke did that will really piss the hell off Ryder and Carl
@@kramtimerboi1605 Honestly it makes more sense to arrange the driveby at the funeral than to wait for Sweet to come to the house, plus theres no garantee he'd be alone, and if you were going to do it like that, you'd try to sneak and bash them in the back of the head while their guard is down, not run out yelling.
Michael Robertson maybe he thought it was a somebody else and was afraid they will expose him so he tried to play it off as it was a burglar and kill him and then find an excuse like how he saw a burglar entered his house and he killed him
I've always wondered what were Big Smoke and Ryder doing in that drug spot in Verona Beach and what the Green Sabre had to do with it. Was Big Smoke paying the Ballas for the job he hired them to? Were they just exchanging drugs? I am aware that from the perspective of the game, that cutscene was exposing Smoke and Ryder's betrayal but what were they exactly doing in there? Carl mentions it is a drug spot, so it's obvious that it has something to do with trading crack-cocaine but there's the Green Sabre and the two officers Tenpenny and Pulaski.
They may have been ditching the evidence and the Ballas were getting paid. Or ditching the evidence and those are most likely other Ballas getting ready to fight with Grove Street and Big Smoke and Ryder were helping Tenpenny ambush them.
Playing this game again as an adult after playing some detective games, I did start to notice these things. Still overlooked some things though because I never watched the GTA SA films so I didn't have much to go off on. But after watching them, everything you said in the video perfectly connects.
This is actually fucking accurate because smoke was so called "eating every one elses food" instead of killing the ballas in the Mission "Drive-thru" because he knows he works for tenpenny and the ballas, oh, you already said this stuff, well said...
Wow. Amazing character in depth analysis, Homie. That is Interesting. In my personal opinion. If Big smoke cannot talk out of Tenpenny and Polaski. Then he could just talk with Sweet about everything and together they could easily kill them. Right?
Could be possible but then, they would have whole gang of Ballas and Vagos onto them.. (Remember earlier that Tenpenny linked Vagos and Ballas up with drugs, then tried to mix up Grove Street Families in that)..
Esakkisiva Balakrishna Could have been worth a shot, but Smoke grew up with these guys and knew how stubborn yet determined Sweet is. He was literally the guy who would "Die for his Hood" He knew that Sweet is one of those people, who give utmost respect to their principles. Even so, Smoke still tried to talk Sweet into joining him, as the other option requires Sweet's death (even though Smoke knew in his heart Sweet would refuse, maybe Smoke tried it to sort of ease the pain, or sort of saw a glimpse of Admirable and loyal character). All these things just add so much depth to these characters.
But then Tenpenny and his friends Ballas and Vagos would kill Smoke.And also Smoke no longer felt reluctant about his betrayal when he saw working for Ballas was a great money making opportunity
1:09 maybe by "you picked the wrong house, fool!" He meant that if Sweet had been in his momma's house at the time of the assassination, he would have been dead instead of his mother and his plan would've succeeded. But since CJ showed up in the house, he thought that it was a burglar; the dialogues are valid for both the scenarios.
"Remember me when you get to the top" obviously foreshadowing. But it becomes even more foreshadowed during the End of the Line cutscene. Smoke said "i was wondering when you were going to show up" and implied he didn't give a frick. Anyway, I think because Smoke had morals, he went on a downwards spiral of depression, you can tell by his tone, and so I think he just accepted it
Man ur gang for these vids man ur a proper analyzer i would've never put all the 2 and 2's together that u did but after watching ur vids i can see clearly now it's mad how intricate the storyline in san andreas was and they wonder why people say it was and still is the best game of all time people like you keeping it alive with these youtube vids is what it's about, keep up the good work bro nuttin but respect bro
Tre Redding Exactly. SA's story doesn't get the attention it deserves. It's a very good story, unfortunately, overlooked by a large majority of the fanbase who think IVs story is the best. I tend to disagree.
from what i saw V's story is really bad, the characters have absolutely no goals, and in VC ur some kind of idiot which wants to own vice city by having a really stupid plan which somehow actually worked
The reason SA is looked down more is because the story itself is great, yes, but the way they executed it is not very good... Just watch Kevin's Ryder videoes, and a lot of the missions especially in the San Fierro part just feel cheap and sleezy compared to the beggining or Las Venturas and after.
Fun fact, after you reach San fiero and hear wctr you'll hear that big smoke is now an philanthropist and was helping og loc to Kickstart his rapping career. So he did tried to do good with the money he had.
,,Get your friends close, and your enemies closer...'' - CJ can knew about Big Smoke and has a doubt about Smoke's innocence and had a feeling about Smoke was the guy who has planned all that ,,war''. Hope you understand me !
Tight work! I’m in full agreement with your theory. I played San Andreas so long ago, I didn’t realize how deep the rabbit hole actually went. I’m literally rethinking that entire game now.
The 2 videos are good analysis. Now I understand, I usually blow off the weird things he said & didn't understand the green sabre mission when cj found out
Theres actually a lot of depth to things in GTA SA thats for sure! I recently made a lore video on Big Smoke discussing his potential I think you might enjoy. I also did one on Ryder and I plan to do more on other characters in the future! you should come check it out sometime! would be amazing to get your thoughts on it!
If you use jetpack cheat during the drive with Tenpenny, you'll be stuck in their car and killed when the car deletes itself. You'll then respawn in hospital without any cash Afterwards, you can enter any store before completing the mission that unlocks them (like Didier Sach's before even able to visit Las Venturas for example) Bridge would no longer be blocked but you will get 4 star wanted level if you cross it
nice video man, well explained. GTAinvasors is an spanish channel and probably will soon make a video exactly like this one with the same arguments,images,and script in the same order, but in spanish
I saw Ryder’s betrayal coming unlike Big Smoke’s who I never expected it from. Just one thing. If the package and the Dialogue was removed from Wrong Side of the Tracks, then why did we kill those Vagos and what was that thing he mentioned about the San Fierro Rifa
Its KeV3nSGaMing ah ok but the train goes to Las Venturas on the Frederick Bridge before we hear the famous “AWHTDWFTDTC” - All we had to do was follow the damn train CJ
I guess R* changed their plans for this mission and made it a set-up of Smoke (trying to get CJ killed, like in Just Business) instead of collecting a package for Tenpenny. However, the package's write would've been better. TTDISA FTW.
Suns_Invader yeah my opinions have really changed now because now I know that Ryder was never meant to betray GSF and never showed any real signs of it unlike Smoke. I only said that bc Ryder was an annoying asshole at times while Smoke was always nice to CJ. Now I realize that Smoke was only nice to him to hide his alliance with the Ballas and CRASH and to hide the fact that he’s about to become a rich and powerful drug lord.
The bit of the video where you pointed out how he was depressed for being responsible for killing CJ's mother...I never thought of that... again, nice video Kev3n my man!
i actualy have a theory about ryder, after you do the mission robbing uncle sam, you dont see ryder often, same with smoke if you finished that russian mission, that one cutscene could have happened while you were dooing other missions, because ryder goes beating up ballas, noticing that balla car tryna kill sweet and shit, later on he rolling with smoke, in family reunion he and smoke drive away and ryder has no hesitation. its just a theory though.
I think he was alright but Tenpenny pushed him into things and used him as a puppet. That's what Tenpenny did with everyone, including his partners. By all accounts Smoke was loyal and friends with the Grove all his life. The only mistake Big Smoke did was accept it and not come clean to Sweet. Then things escalated as they did. Brilliant writing. They don't write games like this anymore...
One thing that always caught my attention were two codes names used by Ryder and Smoke LB and 3deep I believe those were cover names for the police maybe not LB but still interesting. Looking at everything I believe smoke was a great antagonist I mean he tricked everyone even sweet I just wish CJ called Sweet after he found out I guess that is kind of explained by how CJ ends up delaying saving sweet like it is interesting how he helps catilina rob all those places but it's never really stated why I always believed it was for bail money but this was executed pretty good another thing I always thought smoke was in the Johnson house to protect the family due to the drive by sweet would be scared of another attack
brainman67 three-deep is a ghetto slang term. Three-deep is a group of three men (Tenpenny, Pulaski, Hernandez), same way as six-deep is a group od six men, fifty-deep is a group of fifty men, etc
I have also seen somewhere a theory, that LB might mean Little Bear (same as Big Devil - Little Devil), but it's only a fan idea. Anyway, LB was most likely just a homie, maybe not even Grove Street, because it seems like only Ryder is related to him. Maybe he was working at trucks dealership, "borrowing" trucks for his pal Ryder or sth.
The two vids of big smoke really made me open my eyes fam. I liked how they developed his character because you wouldn’t think he had that ruthlessness within him. You’d think he’s just that funny, loyal fat guy that everyone loves with words of wisdom. After this i view big smoke very differently now just like with ryder. Good vid bro👌🏾
Dude, you're awesome. Like CJ I thought Smoke was trashtalking in those missions albeit there was a bit of doubt sometimes that he did actually mean something. Now I finally conclude that all those things had a point.
Following this video I see that Smoke is more of a tragic villain who was forced to lose himself to the dark side after being unable to set himself free from the clutches of darkness. His cruel acts reinforce his distorted need to survive and avoid being killed by Tenpenny for failing to kill Sweet. Definitely one of the best villains and storyline of vide game history...
![GTA San Andreas - In-Depth Analysis of Ryder [PART 2]](/img/1.gif)
I think he's one of the best villain that has ever written in the gaming history, so dark, conflicted, complex and subtle... that's one of the reasons why GTA SA is legendary.
I agree
Perhaps a bit too subtle. If you just played and finished the game, you most likely won’t realise Smoke’s conflicted nature about working with Tenpenny. We would most likely thought that Smoke was simply a heartless bastard who took the power and betrayed the Grove in the process but in fact he was threatened and forced into doing this deal by Tenpenny or else CRASH would put him down. The money and power was just there to sweeten the deal and allow CRASH to use him as their boy to run the drug empire. Imo the whole game and the Introduction movie didn’t do a very good job at explaining Smoke’s character. Like how Smoke actually didn’t want to kill his childhood friend Sweet at all, how Tenpenny threatens him (The phone call), or how he simply couldn’t force his own hands to kill his friend and decided to hire the Ballas to do a drive-by to kill Sweet instead (Well, this part is just a theory but I think it would fit well with his character). Smoke definitely has potential to be just as good as a villain Tenpenny was. Make him feel more like a forced to be a villain type and have him show more remorse over betraying the Grove. Add some more direct scenes and hint to the introduction or the game to show how CRASH threatened him would be perfect. Imo Rockstar has written him a bit too subtle and that’s why I think most of us won’t even realise his actual character.
Then you say what they did with ryder
@@Phantom5611 don´t get me wrong i absolutely agree with you but i like it when R* don´t likes to show what is really up in the introduction cutscenes and GTA SA itself. Its just like you have to find out and get what you get kind of thing. But if they show us every information that we want, these cool theories wouldnt happen.
Vaas from far cry 3
-"Get in..." *boom* -""Grove street, home."
At least it was before I fucked Smoke's car up
@@uncleruckus714 Hahah i knew that someone is gonna comment something like that
@@uncleruckus714 nice new car Smoke
Nice car, Smoke.
He got heaven flashback
He wasn’t wrong, years later and everyone does remember Big Smoke 🤘😔🤘💯💯💯
Legend
You picked the wrong option fool!
"Fuckwit' Big Smoke, remember that name."
El Grando Smokio
Yeah but that’s not because he was a big crack addict and pusher it’s because he was funny and sometimes a cool guy to hang around his bullshit aside
Man, I think differently of him now, I thought all this dialogue ment nothing, but now I realize it's all character development. I salute you sir, this is incredible decoding
Isaac Badell-Riviere I always thought any game could have a greater purpose, especially gta.
Before this video, I knew there was something up with tenpenny pulling strings on smoke and ryder, but I was left kinda scared watching the video and realizing tenpenny was trying to get sweet killed by smoke.
Making a big order just to buy ballas time to set up and ice em really spooked me.
True eye-opener videos! 👁👁
PS: Big Smoke has a bunch of pedestrian dialougue where he says lines like "I am a friend of the police force" "You might know my friend officer Tenpenny" "I know your boss,officer" etc ;)
Its KeV3nSGaMing maybe when they get busted in mission wrong side of the tracks or else
Its KeV3nSGaMing Man what happened at 9:50 did you add the "grove Street home" and also look at the ballas at 9:45 how fast they are running
Yes if you get busted with Big Smoke he uses this lines some times
i have a theory ... maybe when big smoke said " you picked up the wrong house fool " maybe he thought cj was the ballas who did the job and shoot cj's mom's house instead of sweet's house
Desert Knight oh, niceee
Its so sad that the two funniest characters,Ryder and Big Smoke were the antagonists and they just got caught up in the power
Rae Xaw Big Smoke aint funny, Ryder is.
Rae Xaw Ryder should've never betrayed Grove at all. I'm not sad about Smoke at all but Ryder..... damn.
Cool vibrations the only sad thing about Ryder is because his death wasnt dramatic or anything
Cool vibrations Do you need ways to make a lot of money in the game?
Le Fez im good nah
Damn san andreas has one of the darkest storylines in gta history when you break down like this. Like making his order that long for the ballas to kill them smh.
Word👀👀imagine a balla dressed in gear crept up on sweets side and shot him
It gets darker considering after the Tempenny got ate by homeless cannibals after EotL.
Indeed.
@@ngultrum1 yeah, indeed.
@Macaco Louco After Tennpenny died, people still rioting found his body and mutilated him.
Smoke was perfectly written. I just wished they didn't take out certain bits from the beta because it would have made the storyline even better than it is. Thank you for the great explanation keep up the work maybe you could do one on Toreno next and the part he played in this game
Adebonga Ade thanks
Don’t forget about Ryder it was poorly written of how he betrays the grove didn’t make sense
Tim Dinh yes true that
@@bigsmoke6488 Ay man why are watching this video?
Redwan Hossain return of the big smoke
The real culprit all this time is Tenpenny. He had the cunning intention to blackmail every person he rolled with to expand his crack empire, and doesn't hesitate to kill anyone going against him (mostly by forcing CJ to do the dirty work to avoid Tenpenny himself getting caught).
Thus, like you said - Smoke and Ryder were actually staying true to their principles until Tenpenny manipulated them. So sad to see CJ killing their childhood friends :(
he has no choice.
More Ryder then Smoke though
Ryder was not the problem. Big smoke was. During the misson drive thru, smoke don't shoot at the ballas. Ryder did that. I feel sorry for Ryder
TiagoGameOver96 yeah that should be cool
Killing Ryder is so fun tho. I like exploding his getaway vehicle with a bazooka and leaving him stranded in that tiny island.
vaiyt your mean 😠
@@vaiyt ye fun mission but the overall act of killing Ryder was kinda dumb/phoned in
My uncle said ryder betrayed bc his voice actor quitted, and ryder betraying GSF wasnt in the original plot before
No matter if smoke killed cj... He will respawn in hospital
Haha yeah
And he would restart the mission
Zenkuichi smoke killed me and I respawned in the closest hospital
And the Damn train..
Hahaha That reminds me Dragon Ball Z
I like the word " overlooked ". Most of the players play this game just to have fun, but this game has much more to it. I think you are the only channel that keeps "searching" this game. Next character you can analyse is The Truth who is weird as fuck but makes sense if you listen to him carefully (just like smoke).
Ive been a subscriber since 2k, still love your vids!
G S L And thats why is the best GTA my friend!!
THE TRUTH IS MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER
@@Ok-us5th truth is the worst prontagonism for me....
HE MAKE US STOLE 6M BLACK PROJECT AND HE LEAVE CJ LIKE CJ IS NOT THERE
+Big Smoke ouh shit big smoke where u been
@@bigsmoke8156 he was too high
I think smoke trying to kill sweet with a baseball bat is little far fetched. And the bat breaking CJs moms picture is just a symbolism (which i didn't notice till now).
Yeah if Smoke was planning on murdering sweet with the bat, why did he say "You picked the wrong house fool"? That sounds more like he thought CJ was a burglar than Sweet.
Maybe because he noticed that it wasnt sweet? So he actually thought it was a burglar. Why would he even be in the house if he lived in balla territory? and just to mention, why wouldnt he be in the funeral? Because he was planning on killing sweet. Thats my guess
Zanity That might’ve just been like his last words to Sweet before he attempt to beat him with the bat, because he didn’t know it was CJ until after he ran up.
Imagine a scene where Sweet would enter the home to grieve his mother more, but Smoke comes out saying “you picked the wrong house fool” right before he finishes the job.
True, that's likely since smoke skipped the funeral to kill sweet after coming to the house to grieve or put flowers on the bed etc.
So is Team Fortress 2 just a copy off of Overwatch or what then?
R.I.P. Big Smoke
He was A Great Memelord and I Feel Sad That He Couldn't Tell Anyone About What He Had To Do
Legend Warrior he had to follow the train himself.
Amartya Sau True
This also makes it obvious that the Ballas attack on Grove Street during the mission 'House Party' was planned by Smoke and/or Tenpenny, and that Ryder knew this and so he did not take part in the fight because he knew that he would be messing up Smokes'/Tenpennys plan...
The House Party attack is probably to justify Scipio's (Madd Dogg previous manager) death by CJ in Management Issues as Scipio had stated that he knew the Balla OGs.
How they know CJ did it? He was undercover (jacking the middle security car)
J* the house party attack more than likely happened due to killing madd Dogg's manager because he was affiliated with the ballas
J* the house party attack more than likely happened due to killing madd Dogg's manager because he was affiliated with the ballas
lilphiliraq They knew it was OG Loc
I don't think Smoke is overlooked at all. The hints that pointed out his betrayal however were well hidden and needed some closer attention to the story. So major props to Rockstar in this case (they did fuck up with Ryder's betrayal, but Smoke was handled much better). Nice job on pointing out that Smoke's "random bullshit" were actually really meaningful. I thought I was the only on who noticed them, haha. And finally, after all these years I see a logical reason on why Smoke was at CJ's house at the beginning of the game. I could never think of anything that would explain that scene. On the other hand though, doesn't Sweet have his own house? :P Or what if he hadn't arrived alone?
"Thanks, and I meant that Smoke is overlooked by the community, because most people just focus on his famous roar and order :P. " I think that's pretty much true. But I think there are also players who enjoy both the comedic side of SA and the serious side of it.
"About the house thing, I guess Smoke played the risky method, because I assume he thought Sweet would come over at his mother's place after the funeral." Hmm, that could be it. I mean, I don't really see any other reason for Smoke being in The Johnson House.
Maybe off screen sweet told everyone after the funeral he was gonna visit the Johnson house so smoke decided to hide in the house
In my opinion in the mission "Sweet's Girl" the set-up on Sweet could've been organised by Smoke too. Mane, I don't know why as a youngster I never noticed CRASH at Smoke's and Ryder's house as something suspicious.
Btw, fantastic analysis. It was worth waiting.
Honestly it could have because before and after both temple and seville families are cool with GSF it's also interesting how there is the beach territory making it a total of 4 sets
I felt that.
7:04 *WE SEEM TO BE ON OUR HEAD HOMIE*
9:41
@@MrMcKane Grove Street. Home.
I mean hes not wrong
tbh, I see smoke what cj exactly saw from him, I've always thought that he was just a weird fat guy with his "bullshit" I learned something new about big smoke and the storyline. Very impressive analysis you've done
What if on the “end of the line” mission the only reason ten penny came was to kill smoke and take his money but he seen cj done already killed him so he tried to kill cj as well 🤷🏽♂️
Good point.But i still don't get why Ten penny didin't shoot cj soon as he saw him.It was an easy kill
That makes sense story wise but as he refused to answer he just could've killed him right after giving him the money,without telling him so CJ had no chance to take cover or anything.But as saw Sweet is a ninja how did Tempeny not see Sweet in that car before entering the building.And even after exiting the building he was getting in that truck completely ignoring sweet.How much would it take to just shoot him down it wouldn't even made a difference cataching a plane or not so...
Probably a fact. After all, he was carrying a SPAS shotgun, that's beside we knowing that he went to Smoke's hideout to take the money, which Smoke wouldn't have easily given up for Tenpenny.
@@loganwolv3126 because plot convenience
@@loganwolv3126 Tenpenny is extremely paranoid and does not want sweet to come in and see his brother dead, it will make sweet shoot tenpenny.
Another interesting thing is Smoke's weird behavior in Drive-By. He only says like 2 random lines all throughout the mission, he does not appear in the intro cutscene and it's the only mission in which he actually shoots at Ballas.
I always felt his gun had smoke bullets those ones that don't actually do harm
I admire you Kev3n. You're a leader and a visionary. Remember me when you get to the top.
Here in latín América someone are translating your in-depth analysis vídeos. Robbing you, without the great credit that u deserve. I love this kind of vids. Hugs from 🇦🇷
That's a common problem in a lot of non-English YT communities.
Che amigo que canal le roba?
Channel name?
*CJ Sweet Ryder and Smoke walk into an ammunation*
Gun guy: what would you tough fellas like today?
CJ: eh I'll take a tec-9 gun guy
Ryder: I'll get a tec-9 like his
Sweet: lemme get a shotgun with an extended clip
Smoke: I'll have a tec-9 a tec-9 scope a carbine rifle with extended clip
2 RPGs one that's pink and a grenade launcher
The Red - O - Ranger both are equally good
And the Ballas drive-by is like a food war
I’m done.
If u thought of this yourself this is legendary💀💀
ZedThe Gamer up
I feel bad for Smoke and especialy Ryder since they were forced into drug trafficking by Tempenny but that doesn't justify what they did but you can see that if there was another way for Smoke to not kill Sweet and CJ Smoke would take it,Ryder on the other hand became a antagonist due to bad writing or because of problems with the voice actor
Great video fam keep it up
Mojew Jewjew too bad for Ryder's story tbh, he seemed loyal and yeah, the script with his betrayal and death was bad
Ryder was never supposed to be an antagonist, big fuckup of the story from rockstar.
Bro if you think about it, CJ experienced the same thing, only worse. The only guys that treated CJ as a friend was Cesar and Woozie. Cj got forced to steal a mother fucking fighter plane from a military ship and fight experienced jet pilots mid-air.
11:29 You're right about that one Big Smoke. One of the best characters in GTA.
Zain Naqavi GTA Memelord.😂
Man I need that los santos background of yours with that moving lights as a desktop wallpaper, that looks nice.
Even CJ figured out those Russian mobsters during mission "Just Business" were 'organized' in what they were doing.
Remember this dialogue from CJ?: "Ah, Smoke! These cats is organised. It's something you ain't tellin' me man!"
And Smoke quickly gets an idea to escape the mobsters (or was it also to divert CJ's attention from the conversation?)
By the way, another awesome video Kevin, keep em' rollin' :D
Aditya Nambiar Also there was a point in which Smoke stopped the bike in front of 3 Russian cars like hoping that CJ would get shot lol
Joaquin Yup. And I think that was when CJ said that if I remember correctly.
Dude This is amazing, the character analysis made me realize how well written smoke was as an antagonist
Man this changed how I look at the game just bloom in my head when the video progress nice vid
I meant boom sry
That number 9 intro is perfect XD
THE RYDER PROJECT I think Big Smoke every time want just number nines
I think he is a well written antagonist
Well, when you shove all this evidence in my face like that, of course now I believe that Smoke had more depth that I originally thought, but before that, I was kinda shocked that he was a traitor (I was very young the first time I got to reach the Green Sabre mission).
KotorHDTVChannel if u look on the cd it's actually big smoke on the cd so rockstar knew he was a big part.
This has made me notice so much more stuff about the plot I never noticed before and it makes me appreciate how deep of a story it was. I honestly think this is one of the best stories from a game ever if not the best. I like GTA 5s story a lot too but nowhere near as much as this. This is for sure my favorite game ever and will probably play it until I die every now and again. I've watched the DVD multiple times and 100% it on pc twice (v1 and v2 executable), ps2, ps3 and iphone. Now I know all this I'll pay attention and appreciate the story even more my next playthrough.
Man you are totally the best gta san andreas youtuber😉
I don't understand that there is 1 dislike on this video. That was really great and interesting! ☺
Zoltán Kecskeméti That one dislike is Tempenny.
Amartya Sau lol really :D
I find it amazing how every little detail ties in somehow to the plot. This game never seizes to amaze me.
Tbh CJ would still return if Sweet died. Kendl would probably call CJ
Hubschling but cj wouldnt have any idea about smokes involvement since the ballas did the shooting. Also cj was only against drugs cause sweet his older brother was.
Hubschling plus cj is easy to manipulate sweet is stubborn
cray 3K: He wasn’t stubborn when that black crackhead loser tried to get him to toke the smoke back at the house and she threatened CJ with having to deal with B-Dup.
By that point it would've been too late, the crack business would've been established.
If sweet died cj would of moved back and became a big crack dealer
things make so much sense now
I respect u Kevin .. ur a special gta gamer
That ending was best XD
In-DIPS Analysis of Big Smoke
Happy Owl 😁
I didn't think anything of Big Smoke when I played this game...
...played through multiple times and never caught these hints. Brilliant two-part vid, my man.
Outstanding analysis. Please do the complete analysis of the whole storyline.
The most overlooked villain in video game in history.
Two videos on smoke the same day homie you are dope will ever do a in depth on sweet or any other gta sa character
Its KeV3nSGaMing dope homie
Wow. All of this went waaay over my head as a 12 year old when I first played San Andreas. Thanks for making these videos. These videos, and your Ryder analysis, have really given me a deeper appreciation for the game's story and characters. I think it's a shame they cut out that dialogue. It would have probably helped clue a lot more people into what what really going on, instead of having that big "OH SHIT" moment in the Green Sabre mission. Really great stuff, my dude. Peace and Love - Joe
Also I always thought smoke stayed behind to protect the house by sweets orders and he was in the kitchen cause he was hungry
Z3D G4ME nope big smoke was waiting for sweet to come back from the funeral so he can wack sweet with a baseball bat if big smoke did that will really piss the hell off Ryder and Carl
@@kramtimerboi1605 Honestly it makes more sense to arrange the driveby at the funeral than to wait for Sweet to come to the house, plus theres no garantee he'd be alone, and if you were going to do it like that, you'd try to sneak and bash them in the back of the head while their guard is down, not run out yelling.
Michael Robertson maybe he thought it was a somebody else and was afraid they will expose him so he tried to play it off as it was a burglar and kill him and then find an excuse like how he saw a burglar entered his house and he killed him
Makes sense that you trust him, you know that he's a childhood friend from the beginning, it's not easy to tell if your homie is betraying you.
Damn! You work fast dude! Anyways another great video man! - From Philippines :)
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RockField You ain't the only one bro!
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Jammz "You know he just got off the plane right?"
"Dont bullshit me carl!!"
"Yeah dont bullshit him Carl!!"
I've always wondered what were Big Smoke and Ryder doing in that drug spot in Verona Beach and what the Green Sabre had to do with it. Was Big Smoke paying the Ballas for the job he hired them to? Were they just exchanging drugs? I am aware that from the perspective of the game, that cutscene was exposing Smoke and Ryder's betrayal but what were they exactly doing in there? Carl mentions it is a drug spot, so it's obvious that it has something to do with trading crack-cocaine but there's the Green Sabre and the two officers Tenpenny and Pulaski.
They may have been ditching the evidence and the Ballas were getting paid. Or ditching the evidence and those are most likely other Ballas getting ready to fight with Grove Street and Big Smoke and Ryder were helping Tenpenny ambush them.
Smoke was a character who had no choice. He wasn't really a villain. But at the same time, he was.
GTA San Andreas is legendary.
hey Kevin i watched both parts i love these type of critical analysis now i look at big smoke little differently
Playing this game again as an adult after playing some detective games, I did start to notice these things. Still overlooked some things though because I never watched the GTA SA films so I didn't have much to go off on. But after watching them, everything you said in the video perfectly connects.
This is actually fucking accurate because smoke was so called "eating every one elses food" instead of killing the ballas in the Mission "Drive-thru" because he knows he works for tenpenny and the ballas, oh, you already said this stuff, well said...
I've been waiting for this since the Ryder one was released.
Thanks for the quality content fam
that's really nice,
cj and sweet could be the next character you focus on?
Amazing analysis much appreciated FOOOL!
Wow. Amazing character in depth analysis, Homie. That is Interesting.
In my personal opinion. If Big smoke cannot talk out of Tenpenny and Polaski. Then he could just talk with Sweet about everything and together they could easily kill them. Right?
Could be possible but then, they would have whole gang of Ballas and Vagos onto them.. (Remember earlier that Tenpenny linked Vagos and Ballas up with drugs, then tried to mix up Grove Street Families in that)..
yeah but then we wouldn't have gta sa.
Esakkisiva Balakrishna Could have been worth a shot, but Smoke grew up with these guys and knew how stubborn yet determined Sweet is. He was literally the guy who would "Die for his Hood"
He knew that Sweet is one of those people, who give utmost respect to their principles. Even so, Smoke still tried to talk Sweet into joining him, as the other option requires Sweet's death (even though Smoke knew in his heart Sweet would refuse, maybe Smoke tried it to sort of ease the pain, or sort of saw a glimpse of Admirable and loyal character).
All these things just add so much depth to these characters.
But then Tenpenny and his friends Ballas and Vagos would kill Smoke.And also Smoke no longer felt reluctant about his betrayal when he saw working for Ballas was a great money making opportunity
1:09 maybe by "you picked the wrong house, fool!" He meant that if Sweet had been in his momma's house at the time of the assassination, he would have been dead instead of his mother and his plan would've succeeded.
But since CJ showed up in the house, he thought that it was a burglar; the dialogues are valid for both the scenarios.
Greatest Story-Line ever made.
"Remember me when you get to the top" obviously foreshadowing. But it becomes even more foreshadowed during the End of the Line cutscene. Smoke said "i was wondering when you were going to show up" and implied he didn't give a frick. Anyway, I think because Smoke had morals, he went on a downwards spiral of depression, you can tell by his tone, and so I think he just accepted it
Kevin would you like to make CJ analysis?
Man ur gang for these vids man ur a proper analyzer i would've never put all the 2 and 2's together that u did but after watching ur vids i can see clearly now it's mad how intricate the storyline in san andreas was and they wonder why people say it was and still is the best game of all time people like you keeping it alive with these youtube vids is what it's about, keep up the good work bro nuttin but respect bro
Do the analysis about Mike Toreno and a matter of fact just do the entire storyline
Tre Redding Exactly. SA's story doesn't get the attention it deserves. It's a very good story, unfortunately, overlooked by a large majority of the fanbase who think IVs story is the best. I tend to disagree.
from what i saw V's story is really bad, the characters have absolutely no goals, and in VC ur some kind of idiot which wants to own vice city by having a really stupid plan which somehow actually worked
Denis Mario I am talking about SA (2004) story, not the SA of GTA V story, which I agree, it's really a bad story.
I knew what u were talking about m8
The reason SA is looked down more is because the story itself is great, yes, but the way they executed it is not very good... Just watch Kevin's Ryder videoes, and a lot of the missions especially in the San Fierro part just feel cheap and sleezy compared to the beggining or Las Venturas and after.
Smoke wasn't lying when he said everyone would remember his name
Perfect thumbnail
You never fail to amaze me. Great content bro!
Two really great videos, thank you!
you're genius man. love your content
"Can't shit without Tenpenny taking an interest."
LMAO. That line always make me laugh XD
7:03
"We seem to be on our heads, homie"
No shit
9:43 Ballas "The Flash"
I just realised something.
Your profile picture looks amazing!!!
2:05 OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Fun fact, after you reach San fiero and hear wctr you'll hear that big smoke is now an philanthropist and was helping og loc to Kickstart his rapping career.
So he did tried to do good with the money he had.
,,Get your friends close, and your enemies closer...'' - CJ can knew about Big Smoke and has a doubt about Smoke's innocence and had a feeling about Smoke was the guy who has planned all that ,,war''. Hope you understand me !
he knew that smoke was into something yes, but he would never imagine this shit would go as this far
Tight work! I’m in full agreement with your theory. I played San Andreas so long ago, I didn’t realize how deep the rabbit hole actually went. I’m literally rethinking that entire game now.
9:35 “WE SEEM TO BE ON OUR HEADS HOMIE! Get in”
B O O M
“Grove Street - home”
5:28 He was just giving you a compliment , u can just being nice and press Y back
I started thinking why smoke in CJ house in the first mission when I was 11
Around 2016
lol
The 2 videos are good analysis. Now I understand, I usually blow off the weird things he said & didn't understand the green sabre mission when cj found out
Theres actually a lot of depth to things in GTA SA thats for sure! I recently made a lore video on Big Smoke discussing his potential I think you might enjoy. I also did one on Ryder and I plan to do more on other characters in the future! you should come check it out sometime! would be amazing to get your thoughts on it!
1:41 Wait wtf how did CJ get new clothes, respect, muscles and sexappeal at the first mission? XD
THE RYDER PROJECT cheats
nope he didn't bec he had different clothes he used a mod that make you replay missions
If you use jetpack cheat during the drive with Tenpenny, you'll be stuck in their car and killed when the car deletes itself. You'll then respawn in hospital without any cash
Afterwards, you can enter any store before completing the mission that unlocks them (like Didier Sach's before even able to visit Las Venturas for example) Bridge would no longer be blocked but you will get 4 star wanted level if you cross it
#CheatsStreet4life
... homie
There's a glitch through which all the enterable places, when you are with tempeeny in the starting you have to type the cheat CALLED ROCKET MAN.
I cannot even begin to thank you enough for making this video.
Really good video. I learned so much
nice video man, well explained.
GTAinvasors is an spanish channel and probably will soon make a video exactly like this one with the same arguments,images,and script in the same order, but in spanish
POP CULTURED Well, he gave credits to this channel in the Ryder video (The script) so I don't think there's a problem
I saw Ryder’s betrayal coming unlike Big Smoke’s who I never expected it from. Just one thing. If the package and the Dialogue was removed from Wrong Side of the Tracks, then why did we kill those Vagos and what was that thing he mentioned about the San Fierro Rifa
Its KeV3nSGaMing ah ok but the train goes to Las Venturas on the Frederick Bridge before we hear the famous “AWHTDWFTDTC” - All we had to do was follow the damn train CJ
The weird part is, Ryder was not initially going to be a traitor, potentially a deliberate red herring.
I guess R* changed their plans for this mission and made it a set-up of Smoke (trying to get CJ killed, like in Just Business) instead of collecting a package for Tenpenny.
However, the package's write would've been better. TTDISA FTW.
What? Ryder hid it well, infact he wasnt even supposed to betray gsf in beta. I always thought Big Smoke would betray them.
Suns_Invader yeah my opinions have really changed now because now I know that Ryder was never meant to betray GSF and never showed any real signs of it unlike Smoke. I only said that bc Ryder was an annoying asshole at times while Smoke was always nice to CJ. Now I realize that Smoke was only nice to him to hide his alliance with the Ballas and CRASH and to hide the fact that he’s about to become a rich and powerful drug lord.
The bit of the video where you pointed out how he was depressed for being responsible for killing CJ's mother...I never thought of that...
again, nice video Kev3n my man!
i actualy have a theory about ryder, after you do the mission robbing uncle sam, you dont see ryder often, same with smoke if you finished that russian mission, that one cutscene could have happened while you were dooing other missions, because ryder goes beating up ballas, noticing that balla car tryna kill sweet and shit, later on he rolling with smoke, in family reunion he and smoke drive away and ryder has no hesitation. its just a theory though.
Videos like this deserve much more views man...
You left the part when ballers blow up sweet car after the funeral smoke probably had something to do with that 🤔
That probably had to do with Tenpenny
Oh yeah, they had a disadvantage on the bikes!
It was Smoke's car fool
These 2 videos were amazing!!! Thanks!!
I think he was alright but Tenpenny pushed him into things and used him as a puppet. That's what Tenpenny did with everyone, including his partners.
By all accounts Smoke was loyal and friends with the Grove all his life. The only mistake Big Smoke did was accept it and not come clean to Sweet. Then things escalated as they did. Brilliant writing. They don't write games like this anymore...
Man your in depth analyis helped me understand a lot about Ryder and Big Smoke. Literally, after watching this I think GTA SA is the darkest game
One thing that always caught my attention were two codes names used by Ryder and Smoke LB and 3deep I believe those were cover names for the police maybe not LB but still interesting. Looking at everything I believe smoke was a great antagonist I mean he tricked everyone even sweet I just wish CJ called Sweet after he found out I guess that is kind of explained by how CJ ends up delaying saving sweet like it is interesting how he helps catilina rob all those places but it's never really stated why I always believed it was for bail money but this was executed pretty good another thing I always thought smoke was in the Johnson house to protect the family due to the drive by sweet would be scared of another attack
brainman67 three-deep is a ghetto slang term. Three-deep is a group of three men (Tenpenny, Pulaski, Hernandez), same way as six-deep is a group od six men, fifty-deep is a group of fifty men, etc
woah I had no clue thanks for the information
No problem mane.
I have also seen somewhere a theory, that LB might mean Little Bear (same as Big Devil - Little Devil), but it's only a fan idea. Anyway, LB was most likely just a homie, maybe not even Grove Street, because it seems like only Ryder is related to him. Maybe he was working at trucks dealership, "borrowing" trucks for his pal Ryder or sth.
ah that makes sense I always figured it to be someone not entirely related to GSF thanks for responding
The two vids of big smoke really made me open my eyes fam. I liked how they developed his character because you wouldn’t think he had that ruthlessness within him. You’d think he’s just that funny, loyal fat guy that everyone loves with words of wisdom. After this i view big smoke very differently now just like with ryder. Good vid bro👌🏾
he was perfectly written
@@equanimity92 i will i just need to sleep first XD
Dude, you're awesome. Like CJ I thought Smoke was trashtalking in those missions albeit there was a bit of doubt sometimes that he did actually mean something. Now I finally conclude that all those things had a point.
Dave Darius Yup.
YOU PICK THE WRONG HOUSE FOOL!
Following this video I see that Smoke is more of a tragic villain who was forced to lose himself to the dark side after being unable to set himself free from the clutches of darkness. His cruel acts reinforce his distorted need to survive and avoid being killed by Tenpenny for failing to kill Sweet. Definitely one of the best villains and storyline of vide game history...
Do tenpenny in depth analysis
Can’t fully understand the whole story in the first play through.... now I have to go and play this classic. Great video! 👍