Why Update 5.0 Is Hinting Towards A Future Total War Warhammer 40K Game
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- We've all heard the rumours of a possible Total War Warhammer 40K game and they are getting louder which means it's getting closer and closer. I think update 5.0 was there to show that it is possible hence why Warhammer 3 has had hints to it since launch. Let's discus!
Why Update 5.0 Is Hinting Towards A Future Total War Warhammer 40K Game
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If all the rumours and "leaks" that were floating are to be believed then we're likely close to the game getting major hints soonish maybe by the end of this year. Especially if this game only has the 4-6 dlcs that were rumoured to be left. They'd need to look on to the next big thing and this is clearly it. Let's chat! Also I am LIVE on twi-as thegreatbookofgrudges living through some nostalgia on Age of Reckoning - yes the Warhammer MMO! Come say hi!
I know the prospect of 40k is good for you cause it's a boatload more content for you to cover, but I really hope they stick to the fantasy side of things and maybe go into age of sigmar or something more attuned with what already exists so that was t can expand on the existing further.
Would love to see a video speculating which factions/characters would be in TW40K launch
ive been playing return of reckoning alot lately, nice. also really hope the rumours are true, i like 40k more than fantasy
Warhammer 40k is not gona work in current engine, CA cant even get line of sight for gunners to work properly
you can already exsperience what 40k would look like make two full armies of Wood Elves only use 360 vision shooting units and try it its not fun nor is it interesting
Please please keep supporting warhammer 3 with dlc. It's become my ultimate comfort game and I adore it. Abandon RoC and put effort into IE/rework and touch ups and DLC
nah, abandon game let the modders take over
Aside from abandoning RoC, yeah this. I like the smaller map for shorter campaigns. Y'know.
When the campaigns are _actually god damn shorter._
I'll buy the dlc only if they have the same quality of ToD
@@rafaelortega6964 lol no... there are some good mods but most are crapy. Not to mention the pain in the ass when said modder stops supporting said mod due to lack of time or interest.
This is the way
I would love 40k because I just love the setting, but I would enjoy it if the combat felt more like a Dawn of War game. I would also love it if they made a 'blob' mechanic for melee so I don t have a backline of troops twiddling their thumbs while only the first row of units fight.
I just struggle to think of how it could work given the current engine jank and how combat in these games is usually done
Hopefully it happens. I'd love to play as the good guys (Minotuars Chapter)
Something which needs to be done, as I'm afraid it will be even more detrimental to skirmish units of 40k than the older games, is the fact that they need to fix the problem where when you give a movement order to skirmish units, they do not shoot on the unit you asked them to shoot anymore, and shoots the first enemy unit the ai would shoot instead
I've suffered a lot from that when trying to play lots of gutter runners in a snitch campaign. As long as the unit you've selected stays in range, they should never change target but they do... all the time...
WH3 and Pharaoh are the last games that will use this iteration of the engine. Outside of cancelled games and having to eat the dev costs, CA is running on thin ice with cash partly because of the Dev time needed to make the engine upgrades.
I make basically the same comment every time this topic comes up: It's a good idea, but there would need to be major, major changes to how battles work. A completely different engine. Warhammer is about large-scale formations of massed infantry with powerful single entities mixed in. You are moving around big groups of units, like in Total War.
40K is a squad level tactical game where _individual soldiers_ for the most part are tactically positioned with cover and all that. 40K will look incredibly stupid if it ends up being a bunch of space marine in fields lining up in ranks to stand stock still and exchange volleys like they were part of Napoleon's army. I have said it before and I will say it again: The Total War battle format is simply not suitable for any theatre of war that exists after the invention of repeating rifles. After this point standing or even moving in the open during an active firefight is basically suicide. Even WWI makes no sense at all and I really hope if the rumours are true and they do make this, that it's more of a squad level thing like 40K should be. It should look more like Steel Division 2 than like current Total War.
vote with your wallet
If they make Total Warhammer 40k, id imagine it would be closer to something like Epic scale warhammer like Epic 40k or Legions Imperialis, where single squads are more on the wayside and the main focuse is on large formations of massed infantry, supported by mechanized elements (granted you can also play with armored elements only) instead of 40k's and 30k's more small squad focus
DoW 1 & expansions were mostly just space marines standing in an open field and shooting bolters at each other, and everyone loved that
The last update is hinting more towards an expansion of the map to the south of Cathay than anything else.
I said 40K will not work and I always thought Warhammer Fantasy would.
The problem with 40k is it’s a lot more tactical.
Would it be amazing? Sure.
But it would be harder to pull off because maps would have to be absolutely massive and there would be like 100 planets at least on release
Ah yes, the famous Ork generals of 40k. I too would be instantly pulled out of immersion if my orks don't show off their tactical genius :D
A galaxy map would be easier to handle tbh. Warhammer ME you can move on every inch of the map, each stap has a map for it (btw a huge reason why most maps suck balls)
A galaxy map would be less work as you just have to connect planets together, and that would help Ai navigate it more, leaving CA room to focus more on quality maps, instead of a giant campaign map that more often than not is just a slog to fight through
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 but that’s the issue. 40K lore has many minor and major battles on each planet.
There are multiple singular planet-wide battles that are done in one fell swoop but the vast majority are often smaller engagements.
If the game sticks to the lore, each planet could take multiple battles to complete.
Great for recurring gameplay but could get very bloody tedious quickly
@@lewishorsman2219 The game will not stick to lore, just like fantasy didn't.
We don't have year long sieges like in the lore either? Or prolonged waaaghs that last years.
Gameplay will have to come first of course. As long as like with total war, CA respects the IP it will be fine.
@@lewishorsman2219yeah because the planetary battles you describe are portraited accurately by the tabletop where Magnus and 20 rubric marines fight Guiliman and 20 strumfs in what amounts to a Chinatown neighborhood...
...Eh. Dawn of War's Dark Crusade expansion showed a viable scenario where multiple factions could fight over a single planet and it not be too much of a clusterfuck.
I don’t think many said Warhammer fantasy could never work? One of the most popular med 2 mods is literally a Warhammer fantasy mod lol. Also long comment time, apologies.
My issue with total war 40K is it takes a total engine change, and a gameplay overhaul. People will say “no it doesn’t” but it absolutely fucking does. Having circles of guys standing in a field shooting each other with automatic weapons would look fucking stupid.
So, instead you’d need smaller units, with a CoH or Men of War style cover system, with the ability to spread on them dynamically. On top of that, you’d need to figure out the balance between a tactical squad (it won’t be because primaris exist but it’s an example) vs a guard squad. But you can’t have 100 man guard squads, that would look dumb as fuck, so you’d need individual 10-20 man’s, but they’d get pasted so is it a 5 man? A single model? But where’s the fun and the scale in that right?
So then you can perhaps suggest you don’t recruit individual guard units but companies, say an infantry company has 4 platoons. So 12-24 10-20 man squads, 12 heavy weapon squads and a couple conscript units of 30 + the command squad + chimera
A tank company has 10 total tanks, 3 sets of 3 and a command tank.
But the overall issue remains that it would massively change TW’s combat, and no, you can’t just do a Great War mod for napoleon, that doesn’t look cool or neat, it looks dumb.
You’d need to re-work shit from the ground up.
Then there’s void battles which are as important if not MORE important than the fighting on planet due to how much benefit void supremacy provides, and idk if CA is up to that, specially with things like boarding actions which should *really* be it’s own thing entirely given the size of 40K vessels.
Now, I wouldn’t mind a 40K game, by CA, with the scale and campaign map fuckery of TW under a different title or some kind of subtitle to denote it as different to a traditional total war, which you could use to have *more* variety, WWII for example could be done, as that is more in line with 40K combat than traditional TW combat.
Oh bro you should have been there on the forums or on reddit, people went full on hatemode against warhammer fantasy, mentioning to them popular med 2 fantasy mods did in fact not help them.
At least the hardcore history purists have been mostly silent these days.
There was a game called tom clancy's end war that was basically total war lite with companies of soldiers and vehicles rather than squads with cover systems and garrisonable buildings.
So it can be done, it's just can CA do it.
@@JakeBaldwin1 Yes, it can be done. But not as Total War Currently is. Not to mention, we like our battles to look cool, Yes? We want Depth to them? What Depth is there with a squad of 100 idiots, clumped in say, 5 groups of 20? You sit them there, have them shoot, and you can't take 2 squads to flank, you can't have 2 take position in a building to cover the rest. No, for the best gameplay, you want to Recruit companies that *Properly* break down into small squads if it makes sense for that unit. Space Marines for example, would be 1 to 1, recruit Tactical squad or intercessor squad, you get 1 ten man squad. Guard, you recruit one Infantry company, you get 12-24 10 man infantry squads, 4 12 man Heavy weapon teams, 1-4 30 man conscript squads, 4 platoon command squads and one company command squad. We get the scale of Total War, with more tactical depth than 1 single 100 man Guard unit provides.
This is quite the amount of overthinking, you're creating problems that don't *need* to exist, and then saying it won't work because of that.
First off, the game would be a game, not a recreation of the entire 40k universe with pure lore accuracy and scale-accuracy. Void battles don't need to be included, Dawn of War and Gladius have already pulled off single-planet maps with a mosh-pit of factions. How many tanks are in a company is completely irrelevant, single entities already exist and are balanced, there is no reason to 10x that scale.
I do think having a blob of 100 guardsmen would be a bit silly, but you don't need to jump to recruiting entire companies with multiple different unit types and command and tanks to solve that. All you need to be able to do is break up said 100-man squad into 5x 20 man squads. That lets you keep the scale of the guard having walls of flesh between the enemy and their backline bombardments, without putting them into ludicrous blobs. Other units, like heavy weapons teams, hotshots, Scions, can all very easily be their own unit. Balancing will decide how all of those units feel to play, forcing lore-accuracy only hurts these games, which is why they've never emphasized it in TWW3. They could certainly do some neat things with splitting units, like having research/upgrade mechanics to give those squads better weapons or have a few of them sling scarier guns, but it doesn't need to be overly complicated.
Obviously, a lot of changes would need to be made to the battles. Open field battle maps most certainly need to be more or less exchanged for terrain/cover heavy areas, line of sight would play a much larger role because of that, and much of the "line clashing" combat would not exist. The cover mechanic would need to be expanded, balance would have to change in regards to ranged unit's accuracy, all of which is very much doable in their engine as it exists.
There are valid concerns, of course, nailing the enjoyability of this new (likely more micro-intensive) system would be a task, balancing the inclusion of more vehicles and small-sized but scary units is another challenge, but all are far from impossible.
@@MrRaziza thing is I don’t think most people would be happy with just a Single planet. They should be, but the TW community seems ravenous. Bigger, better, more, always. So you’d need void battles, plus. I just really want them back personally
Frankly, I think TWWH as a series is a mid TW game, a fun game, a decent game in general, but a mid Total war game and 40K total war…wouldn’t be total war at all. Total war has a very specific identity. Formation fighting, infantry blocks and cavalry charges and siege engines, this includes Warhammer btw which is why I say even if it’s a lesser TW game, it still *is* a TW game. 40K…well just the maps alone would be different. You’d need pre-built defence lines, large urban cities with multiple enterable buildings. Small settlement battles would still be large urban areas. Actual proper big settlements….I frankly think would need to be multi-battle. The outside of the walls, against the walls, and inside the hive city itself or you simply fail to capture the *scale* of 40K. It’s not a one and done thing, it takes years to take single bastions at times if they’re defended well enough.
Would Space Marines be a faction? Or would they be a premium unit in an Imperium of Man faction or something, where the bulk of the units are IG
The odds of it are low but I would love to have the Moebian 6th from Darktide be a faction you can play
Oh yeah that would be awesome!!!
How would combat really work, would it be Something like WARNO, Steel Division, how would they do the scale of battles and range? I don't doubt that it is possible in total war, I just hope its, its own unique form of warfare and not just like Warhammer 3 gunpowder but shoots faster. Like, I could imagine an awesome blend of something like WARNOS combat system and Warhammer 3, that would really make some of the possible strategies mind-boggling.
Warhammer 40K as setting would be interesting but I wonder how it will work. In my opinion, if they kept it to a single planet then I think it would be hard to add in other races like the Necrons and the Tyranids but if it spans multiple worlds then that creates problems in and of itself especially since CA is no longer doing naval combat. Epic space battles between fleets should be a thing, in my opinion.
The looted steamtank mod is called: ZC GREENSKIN LOOTED STEAMTANK
I think a total war 40k wouldn't work as well as with Warhammer. I personally think a Warno or Steel division style of game would work much better
We need better AI. Better environmental interaction on maps. And seige variety. Please make this a priority before any new TW game
You're probably right. It's essentially a guarantee that the next big Total War game will be 40k but I don't think itd work right. The scale of 40k is just too big for Total war as it is.
CA putting together a trailer for 40k over the summer would be a pro marketing move.
since fantasy is closer to my heart if 40k won't launch with eldar I won't even play it :D
trully hope CA won't abandon WH3
I share many of the others sentiments that 40k and ranged over melee focus wont work with TW. At least not as we know it. A much safer bet would be Age of Sigmar. Which would also be awesome. Dont get me wrong, i love 40k, its my favorite of the warhammerverse but.... it just will struggle in the TW format. So long as its kept as it is.
If they don't make a Total War: Warhammer 40K game then they hate money. That IP is getting hot right now
I'm skeptical about 40k with the whole debacle that's going on with games workshop and Amazon. 40k is dying in the stock market.
your taking a bunch of random W3 units and implying this proves that warhammer 40k is coming? If you were out of video ideas you couldve just said so lol
I'll finish Warhammer 3 because of the investment I already have. Beyond that, GW won't get a dime from me on anything going forward. Y'all are theorizing over a dead company and your Total War 40k game, if it ever even happened, would be riddled with all the aftermath of what's sinking Warhammer right now.
All these people acting like Dawn of War wasn't a thing. I think it would be harder to pull a WWI game off than 40k: trenches and environment is harder than expanding on things that already exist.
i hope it is a horus heresy game and primarchs as LLs
I would rather have age of sigmar as of right now because
1. The models are amazing and I want to see them officially in a total war game. 2. I feel like it would be an easier transition from warhammer fantasy to age of sigmar. Due to the layoffs I don't want to see them being heavily over worked.
I 100 percent want to see a 40k or 30k total war game and I know they could do it. But I'm more worried about Sega and gw's handling of it than the devs.
40k total war would be awesome
Indeed, so long it doesnt mean Warhammer 4 gets scrapped
Okay, wait, let’s be honest. Why don’t we let rest the warhammer iP, move to medieval 3, so we let the tech upgrade to come so we can have a more glorious 40k game?
I mean, medieval and even warhammer 1-3 feels quite right with current tech bc the combat style. Pregty old fashion and even real warfare.
But i don’t want to see a 40k being like a napoleon just with fancy skins.
No no no no no. No medieval 3. Total War: Stone Age
big think
What would be the campaign mechanics for each 40k faction in a total war style
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@@stealthbladeTK How so
He doesnt know @fishyboi2132
@@battie2683 So he's just trolling
if they used the same kind of engine liek with space marine, then YES. imagine being able oto control entire groups, and then go in as a space marine to kick some BUTTTT. BUT THAS just a dream, a deep dream. one day maybe
Im excited but then i remember the garbage StormRise that CA made. It was so bad it was dislisted from Steam.
When are you going to make your video on possible campaign mechanics. Also on the ground of why people believe 40k wont work is the space marines because they think units of 100 space marines would look stupid and lore breaking. But the solution to that was introduced in warhammer 2, Ogers my lord. I mean lead belchers are pretty much devastator marines.
JUST DO IT !!!
Hell No! if CA going to change the gameplay of Total War game just to fit a warhammer 40k setting then it is not a Total War game. Name it something else but Total War. Don't change Total War into Dawn of War or Steel Division or Supreme Commander etc etc. Total War gameplay have to stay Total War.
There is a large scale version of 40k tabletop called Apocalypse that focuses on battles at the scale of Total War. That would easily serve as a guideline.
Armored Kossars & Lothren Sea Guard are perfect examples of hybrid units that have good ranged and melee quite well.
Perfect templates for 40k units.
I was thinking a mix between Skaven Weapon Teams and Aspiring Champions would be really fun Space Marines
I recall the 1d4chan article for TWWH Empire units joking about Free Company Militia being space marines because they heavily affected the auto-resolve at that time
I had no idea deep-striking / teleporting mishaps were no longer a thing in modern 40K. I started playing 3rd edition 40K in high school. 😂
Yeah that's hasn't been a thing for a few editions now. I started in 8th edition and it wasn't a thing, and I haven't heard anyone mention it for 7th edition so maybe 6th was the last edition for it?
I think it was done away with in 6th, it was part of eliminating the scatter die from the game.
Ever heard of TERMINATORS?
Yes… they had Terminators back then…
@@giantnerd14 No, 6th and 7th still had scatter, it was 8th Edition that introduced the template/scatter-less way of playing.
Honestly as much as we all want it even if they actually do it it want be good . The Warhammer 40k format does not do well with total war format and i serially doubt they will manage .
Agreed. They may be better off doing an age of sigmar sequel TW
I feel like it will be "total war" not what were used to if they actully manage to make this though I also doubt it or they could be braindead and go here's a bunch of 120 guy units standing on a field shooting each other which would be brain dead but its ca so I don't put it past them
No one is saying they can't make the models. The point is 40k doesn't work in TW's gameplay. 40k isn't about moving big formation blobs around flat open fiends. Without a drastic overhaul of the game systems and plenty of new ones, you're just looking at a normal ass TW game with a 40k skin.
the Astra Militarum would like to know your location, also the Orks and Nids.
That is just wrong
its very possible check total war millenimum mod. lots of smaller units tanks and its one of the most popular unit mods. Imagine what could the developers could implement if they want to on top of that relic is owned by sega now(they made 40k rts and world war 2 rts games) i bet it was a startegic purchase from sega
The current system won't work .
Imagine, a goblin with a kick animation killing a space marine because it had too little hp.
Also the current pathiding and maps just are not made for lots of little streets and interiors.
Thunderbarge crew cannot be harmed.
Range unit formations having to stay in formation when repositioning before shooting...
And many other issues.
I hope its more "grimdark" one of my biggest complaints with Total war warhammer is how cartoony and "family friendly" it looks, im probably gonna be dissapointed but i might as well have my hopes up
I really hope not, I just can’t honestly think of how total war could support a game like 40k. It’s whole design would have to change. All I simply want is a company of hero’s version of warhammer 40k (like the OG dawn of war but with the features of COH).
Still we are prob closer to GTA VI than Warhammer 40k, just my feeling
Nah
total war warhammer is dead
they killed it with overpricing dlc
Can you make a video about how 40K campaign map could look and work?
why no one thinks of age of sigmar total war? whundant make much more sence since it culd be the same gameplay ?
Not different enough from Warhammer Fantasy, plus they haven't even fleshed out the major factions for certain realms yet.
Okay here me out there : the probability that Star Citizen may be out before Total War Warhammer 40k is very high, and I'm not even kidding.
CA need a completely new engine for rendering something like 40k and the mass destruction you can bring upon whole worlds, so they would have to develop the engine and then develop the game itself, so you can be assured that 40k won't be out before 5 years at least, if they want to do things correctly.
So I'm telling you, don't hurt yourself by waiting for it.
Star Citizen is never coming out. They have missed every single deadline they've made and it's still in alpha. It's been 12 years lmao.
@@8kayydub8 ok
@@8kayydub8 ok
PLEASE CA keep adding more to warhammer fantasy, I like 40K a lot (less nowadays) but a 40K total war sounds like a TERRIBLE idea.
Why?
Nah. Gimme TW Warhammer 40k
I like 40K but don`t want another total war of warhammer we already have fantasy, we need another fantasy world in total war, the next best thing could be Lord of the Rings or even Game of thrones.
Dude 40k total war would be actually awful. Can we stop asking for total war 40k? Instead can we ask for a grand strategy 40k game?
40k dumped facing and positioning rules when they went to 8th edition. Casual rules for tournament players won out.
I like how the elite infinity for the orcs with duel wielded axes look like 40k basic infantry haha but makes sense they are op in fantasy thoguh
Are you still working on that “why/how a 40k total war would work” video you mentioned some time ago? Would love to hear your thoughts..
Just remake dawn of war with a more detailed campaign mode.
Would be superior to total war.
Total War is the wrong format.
Empire At War would be much better.
Mate... your logic is VERY stretched and you need to understand that total war doesn't work with 40k. You're either farming clicks or just don't get it. I'm going for the latter since I like your stuff.
40k is an objective based skirmish title
WHFB is rank and flank blood bath.
40k tabletop is closer to COH and other WW2 strategy games. You have a small number of models, flexible squad formations and individual model positioning and cover is vital to winning or losing. A good potion of the factions (marines, grey knights, custodes, clowns, Dark eldar, Normal eldar and sisters) don't hold territory. They're elite strike forces that complete an objective and bug the hell out.
I get that you really want to see your two love interests merge, but you need to understand that it can only go two ways:
A completely different title from the ground up with total war tacked onto the branding (upsetting people worse than DOW 1 & 2)
or
A reskined total war that plays like ass, pissing off more people and killing any hope of a decent 40k strategy title.
My dude whether you want to believe its going to happen or not it is happening. The signs have been here since before Warhammer 3 when GW staff who worked exclusively on 40K started migrating over for a "brand new but similar adventure" as one put it :)
Eh, why play 40k total war when dawn of war and dawn of war 2 are there. Nothing today's CA can do can even compete with those.
Got nothing against dawn of war but those games have nothing in common with total war besides being strategy games.
Total war has always been about big scale battles and turned based campaigns.
Age of Empires and Dawn of War are RTS focused more about fast paced gameplay.
Might as well compare Mario Kart and Forza because they are racing games.
@@Hoolygamer Big scale battles and turned based campaigns? Yeah that`s every DoW 1 campaign.
@@bezyn2291 Well if you simplify things that much I guess you are right. In reality though, what do dawn of war and total war gameplays have in common? In the turn based campaign of total war you have a whole economy to manage, armies to move, public order, city building... This part in DoW is basically a skirmish map selector. In the battle part DoW is classic RTS with base building and map control, while total war... isn't.
Scale up Dawn of War 1 and yeah I think it could work.
Another possible use for the gunship tag might be a lothern skycutter
I think one big problem with Total War gameplay is that it work best with stuff like melee and medieval ranged warfare, but starts to break down when you try to introduce more modern concepts like firearms. I'd imagine for it to work with 40k, you could keep the strategic map and management, but battles would have to either be something like Men of War or Dawn of War. Just take out base building or make it more like Dawn of War 2 and it would already work pretty well.
I present to you the ratling gun.
you have not played tabletop yea? xD
@@BloodyArchangelus Tabletop is fine and all, but I don't know how those concepts would translate to an rts in a total war way. I could see it like dawn of war, that worked really well, but it's small scale with individual infantry, not armies of single unit being 100 men.
@@JurasJankauskas you are blind than. Tabletop works the same as total war in low squads. We have almost everything for ground battles in 40K…
I’m just dreaming about Thousand Sons, playable Primarchs and detailed Necron roster… it’s such an amazing dream
I would love to play Tyranids too. Like a warning the field with your monsters. Like Skaven, only less tools and more monsters..
Thousand Sons is what I would be waiting for as well. Those Primarch, if they do them justice, will look sooo amazing!
Domination mode fits perfectly for 40k. Hopefully they will fix the ai by then.
EXACTLY my thought since it was introduced. I’m glad other people have connected the dots
I'm really not a fan of the idea of a 40k Total War game. Specifically set in present 40k. I personally would love to see one set in the Unification Wars. One planet, proper diplomacy, freedom for creative liberty, fleshing out 40k lore prior to the Great Crusade, etc. I'd love to play as Big E and lead Custodes, Thunder Warriors, Proto-Space Marine Legions, and Imperial Army and unite all of Terra under the banner of the Emperor.
If not a full game, I could get behind a DLC campaign a la Charlemagne for Attila. Let's see the techno-barbarians!
I'd hope the map is something akin to Soulstorm/Dark Crusade campaign map from DoW in terms of design but of course with a much larger scope. Would be cool to detail a new (sub)sector or expanse! Only a few options if Tau are involved so those would be the areas to speculate about
I mean Tau could show up anywhere on the eastern edge of the galactic map. Besides, space is so big they can make any kind of thing they want and include any race they want, and it'd make sense.
The most sane idea of foil hat Nathan be like:
It's pretty damn plausible that CA will try to do that. 40k is HUGE. It would be pretty much a money maker for them.
@@AzraelSoulHuntertry? Perhaps.
But, unless they're gonna make a game that's entirely new, from scratch, working on entirely new dedicated engine, with entirely different vision on gameplay and mechanics, preferably with base building, with fast-paced and highly reactive combat, this hypothetic game is gonna look like WW2 mod for one of the older TW games. A definition of the flop.
@@Prushinthespirit yh if GW wanna make money of 40k games then just make a multiplayer fps lol, settings perfect for it
@@Prushinthespiritso you want wh40k Starcraft? Lol. I want to manage the Imperium of Man not Joe's mining operation in a backyard planet.
@@shadearcagood morning! RTS is and always will be the best way to embody the scale of WH40K universe.
DoW 1/2 are still best games on this setting, with World at Conflict and Men of War being perfect basis for a good 40K strategy game as well.
Building more public order/growth/barraks isn't what managing the Imperium of Man is supposed to be anyways by the way. Like, don't pretend that TW's style of "management" is something complex enough to make a decent global 40k game. Otherwise you're asking for a dumbed down gameplay for casuals only.
Will they stick a woman in it and make it gay?
IF they simply released proper public map editing tools for the workshop, we could fix sieges ourselves, and this game would be dope.
I've been saying for years that it would be sick to see Total War: Warhammer 30k/40k. I've also heard the arguments from naysayers but almost every point they bring up is already in Warhammer 3.
The fantasy title has monsters the size of buildings, unreal juggernauts, miniguns, mortars, artillery, air support, naval support, fucking IKIT NUKES!!! Don't tell me that the OP nature of the sci-fi setting can't be captured in the flow of combat. Lord Kroak can move mountains in the lore and blow up ACTUAL THOUSANDS of infantry in a single cast of his abilities in the game.
You could literally just reskin TW:WH3 and it would thrill many fans (I'd view it as a shameless cash grab, but it would still be fun). Hell, they could do a reskin for Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Xbox vs Playstation, etc and it would still slap.
I WANT ANGRY MARINES AND I WANT THEM NOW
What mod is the looted steam tank from?? 🤩
I never thought i would enjoy a fantasy total war but I did. But now is time to give us a proper historical tw template with a really updated version like abandon the province system and improve battle collisions pathfinding etc.
Medieval 3 Empire 2 ad then go back to fantasy/scyfy. Been almost 10 years since Atilla the last proper historical tw.
I don't doubt the ability to have 40k type units in the current total war game engine, my only concern is how the game functions when it comes to strategy and battles. The only thing I can think of is that they have to modify or even create a new game engine to support a game like a total war 40k. If they don't, its gonna play like one of those napoleon/empire WW1 mods.
Yeah, they'll most likely make a game engine that can be used for most new total war games. Hopefully it's gonna be much better than the current one
hm depends if it is just one planet that is battled upon then ithink they didnt evenneed to change much
Cover is the main thing I think this engine doesn't support and that's a huge part of 40k
@@Coerciveutopian Cover already exists to some degree, during siege battle the city walls/constructible barriers offer a physical barrier from non-arched ranged attacks (as in the majority of 40k's ranged attacks save for artillery), and obviously they have a mechanic for "stationing" units behind said cover.
Short of some other tangible benefits like missile resistance , or making cover locations more prevalent on battle-maps (more rocks/destroyed buildings to put units inside) the engine very clearly has support for this.
@@Coerciveutopian it does walls and some things out of shogun 2 and empire etc are cover mechanics
I really really hope you are right
我覺得還是太早了 就算有這些功能也不代表40K會是下一款
如果40K會是下一代的墊檔或那還有可能
就像做戰錘1一樣隨便做做
反正有戰錘的經驗 不管再爛也可以靠後續修修補補做起來 法老也是這樣
大不了打翻大部分機制重做也不是沒有
但我還是希望繼續做奇幻戰錘就是了 我對40K比較沒興趣
滿滿的太空陸戰隊 對我來說都是同樣的東西
I think the game right now has no problem to adapt 40k. The main problem is designing a good campaign. It would need a lot more mechanics, naval battle,... etc
Point of order, I never thought Warhammer fantasy couldn't work as a total war game. I always though it was a great idea, and it was. Fantasy medieval combat is probably even better for the total war tech than real medieval combat. 40k is a whole other thing, yes the tabletop game is quite close and melee focused, and you could probably do that bit some fair justice. But the lore and world of 40k is so much bigger than the tabletop 40k game. Total war would have to manage battles at the epic scale, it would have to know what to do with air craft and space ships and multiple planets and warp travel (because there is no way a single planet could host even half the 40k races/factions together in a single ongoing war). Its not impossible, but it is a completely different game requiring an entirely new engine (which it is about time for to be fair). I just don't see creative assembly making that sort of investment at the moment. But I would love to be proved wrong. My fear is if they try and do it on the cheap it just won't be any good.
DoW Dark Crusade did the whole one planet thing, worked pretty well
Ok, so WW1, 40K, and rumored but not very strongly Star Wars... ALL very shooty combat styles. And they're doing something with the engine, either an overhaul or full on replacement, probably to make shooty games more viable. Can we PLEASE get TW Napoleon 2!!??
Although I actually prefer WHFB/AoS to 40k, I'd love to see my favourite 40k factions represented in Total War.
T'au, Necrons, Eldari, Tyranids... basically if the game had *any* of the xenos, I'd buy it. 😅
Damn the Tank models of the grreenies looking awesome !
Even if Warhammer 40K makes way more money than Warhammer 3 DLC, there is no reason to stop supporting Warhammer 3 and creating DLC if the DLCs are still sold well and people keep playing. I mean, yes the team will likely be much smaller, the release would be reduced to maybe 1 DLC per year, but they would keep making them imo.
And lets be honest, even with Warhammer 40K release, after a while people will revert back to playing Warhammer 3. The game would have like 9-10 years of longetivity by that time, a new game wouldn't be able to match the depth, and also the amount of mods. Its the same case as 3 Kingdoms, people were just back to Warhammer 2 after 1 month. Warhammer 40K would need like 2-3 years of DLCs and modding at least to compete with Warhammer at this stage.
We should be aware that 40k will start same as Fantasy .. Total War Warhammer 40k will have like 3 factions. I guess Imperium, Orks and Mechanicum as playable factions and the second game will have Aldeari, Chaos and Necrons and thrid game the rest and so we speaking about 15 years maybe for complete series.
Besides few idiots most of us thought Warhammer would work. Third Age and Warhammer mods were the most popular mods of medieval 2, why wouldn’t Warhammer fantasy work? 40K however will absolutely not work. It’s incompatible with total war formula.
Personally, I couldn't care less about a 40k game. But I suspect that I'm in a minority in regard to that.
My biggest concern is that something akin to the Game of Thrones ending will happen to WTW3. That the deves will be pulled from the game, no thought given to content, or if the game is broken by DLC as they all focus on 40k. The SoC DLC is a good indicator that CA can stop caring or trying. So the prospect worries me a bit, if only because I care about warhammer and don't want to see it dropped
People who say "40k will never work" put too much stock in the setting as a factor in game design. Its just an aesthetic choice. They could be 90% there by just reskinning the game we have now. 40K isn't really "modern" warfare. Its fantasy in space. Melee combat is a huge part of it and there's plenty of units running around with swords and axes and whatnot.
Campaign map is the same thing. Just look at Stellaris
Also yeah directional armor is in 30k
The Problem is, they cant just make a Total War game with 40k Units. In 40k the units would not walk in tight Formations and Shoot standing side by side in open field. If they want to make a Total War Warhammer 40k Game, they need a compley Formation and Cover System. An then the Game would feel more like Dawn of War 2 and not like Total War.
I for one won’t be touching 40k. Warhammer fantasy is (was) such a beautiful and captivating setting, I loved the TT in the late 1990s and early 00s. I’d love to see a mordheim revival!
I feel like a good gameplay mechanic for 40k could be liberating/conquering worlds within a random system. Maybe some are pre-made, some are procedural, but you could have an overarching campaign going from planet to planet. Each planet could be a mini (or much longer) game of typical total war and then you move onto the next planet to either push back enemies or conquer new land. Have another level of campaign play that's even more zoomed out than it currently is. Any thoughts?
Eugen would do better as epic 40k devs. Imagine if you had one set on Armageddon that plays like Steel Division 2 and has open scenario campaigns like the Army General campaigns. 10/10.
I really think they will produce a BIG FLOPwith 40k.
Its my favorite setting since the release of DoW1 and i really wish that they will make a good game but if you look at the amount of broken stuff in the current game, i really doubt it.
And i really want W3 to become as good as possible with many dlc and content as possible
I mean that's obviously going to happen eventually and it has always only ever been a question of when.
Personally I've never really clicked with 40K, that setting's tone (Orks aside, those boyz are actually even better than their fantasy counterpart) is too edgy for my taste - also Space Marines might well be the most boring thing ever imagined - but its audience is so damn ginormous that I'd be absolutely shocked if CA hasn't already been prototyping a game for it for at least a couple years now.
Then you get TAU DLC and the f*cking blueberries bring bunch of XV-battlesuits and shoot you across the map with railgun bombardment. 🙄
Lots of naysayers in the comments, but I think it can and will be done.
Make it a trilogy like fantasy, focused on expanding sectors of a single planet.
Maybe add a bit more line of sight blocking terrain to battle maps (rock formations, ruins).
40k is not an impossible task. It's just a matter of whether CA will do it right.
I think the main problem for 40k total war version will be campaign map implementation. Will it be all on one (mega?) planet? Will there be a sector of space? What about entire know galaxy, but simplified. Also gameplay wise, the battles will feel less like total war and more like dawn of war/company of heroes, but without basebuilding part.
I have a feeling 40k and the next historical are well behind schedule. Especially with the layoffs. Hence why they are dumping way more love into their active products. They went from having to keep them around for 2 more years to maybe 4 years.
I wonder whay 40k total war campaign would work. Would it be something like a Cadia campaign for sxample like how the vortex campaign works. Or maybe like Empire total war with theatres of war and moving an army to a certain location would travel them to another theatre over the end turn.
Would they design something so crazy like you can zoom out and you go into a 2d map ehich is space but it works like the oceans in warhammer. Think that would be too much of a design ask.
Either way, wonder what on earth it woipd turn out like
No, tanks firing in close combat isn't 40K.
40K is the commissar popping out on top of the tank going "Drive me closer. I want to hit them with my sword."