4 Things Creative Assembly Need To Lockdown For Total War Warhammer 40K
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4 Things Creative Assembly Need To Lockdown For Total War Warhammer 40K
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A different engine, that allows for cover, suppressive fire, more numerous units of many small squads, proper urban combat with accessible buildings with multiple levels, deploying and redeploying troops / vehicles with air transports.
And all of this as a bare minimum.
Barebones mod for warhammer 3 with more ranged units. Take it or leave it.
I came here to type basically this
So basically DoW 2, then
Sounds like what you want is a Wargame/Steel Division game set in 40k, not Total War.
@@kapitankapital6580yea that’s exactly how the game should be no fucking way to play the game that’s all focused on firepower and vehicles while playing like a regular total war
On the topic of space battles, one can look at the older Star Wars: Empire At War and see a game with real time space AND ground battles to get an idea of what is needed. It's almost comical that the format that one would want for both 40k and Star Wars has already been done. CA just needs to copy and adapt it.
Yes, with at least this scale of cosmic battles and Total War land battles.
Which makes you question why anyone would want a hypothetical Total War Star Wars and not just Empire At War 2, especially since Petroglyph are still very active in their modding scene and actively want the green light to develop a sequel.
@@kapitankapital6580 I'd LOVE an Empire At War 2. Would Disney allow it? Doubtful.
There is literally a warhammer space combat rts
@Slyslug yes battlefleet gothic armada but it's a bit dated and lacked land battles, add land battles in the style of sd2/warno and we have a game on our hands that would get everyone excited
Damn you must be recording in Sylvania with all those bats around
Came here to say this 😂
On the topic of cover if you're fighting in urban battlefields and such there should be cover mechanics since there would be walls and rubble to use
And maybe build trenches
Everyone: ship battles, ship battles
CA: we hear you want shit battles 💩
And they say CA does not listen :)
Enter nurgle.
I want Tryzan’s campaign to include his collection as a faction mechanic gaining unique relics by defeating certain factions or lords in battle which give you certain faction or army buffs. Some of these relics can allow him to summon non necrons units in battle.
, like summoning a square of Ultra marines or a swarm of tyranids.
His campaign victory condition should be to steal the golden throne and the Emperor by sacking Terra.
My thoughts on this matter:
Huge problem in Warhammer40k would be scale - what scale would we get? Solar system (like in Dow)? Sector? Segmentum?
Doubt that CA would make whole galaxy as map (this is too much) - more like all events would happened in one sector and this would bring limitations on factions and characters they could bring in
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For example:
1)You cant bring Tau Empire because this is very small (in terms of galactic scale) and cant travel to far from their home
2)You cant bring all famous chapters of space marines (same for all other factions) - because it would look absurd if everyone start crowd in one place. Same go with Heroes.
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This could be partially avoided if CA choose important very location as campaign map (for example Nachmund gauntlet and Vigilus = key point which connect two halfs of the Imperium) - it important enough for varios factions and Heroes to come there and you can play on different goals of each faction to make interesting gameplay
Downside of such decision - forget about Tau
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About connections between ground battles and space combat - here is my ideas:
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1)Each planet siege start with space battle (depending on how advanced planet is it would have it own garrison fleet, space and air defense)
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2)Result of space battle would be directly influence on the ground battle. Something like this:
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1.Numbers of ships (and their type) in your fleet limit your max number of ground troops and vehicle's you can carry on. Lost some ship during the space battle? Well, bad for you - good chunk of your troops die without making even a single shot/ This would bring element of the tactic in battle . As example - you want to bring more transport ships with you so you could have more troops on the ground. OK. But transport ships are weak - so you need think on how guard them from enemy units because for them it would be a tasty prey to hunt down
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2. Results of space Battle influence ground battle in a way - how many forces you have in total and many you could send as a reserve (also give you a tactical task - you need to split forces wise because if you waste it all at once...well bad for you). Also it would provide additional options such as orbit strike or sending couple units in chosen location (teleport terminators squad in the rear or just send quick reinforcement). It would give different options depending on which faction you play.
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3.Air forces and anti-air defence - i think we should skip full scale air battles and instead they should serve as attrition for your ground forces during initial landing and your sending reserves - something like you landing on drop pods or close space shuttle and they blow them down (at least certain % of them). You could also call limited (because they occupied with "battle in the air" numbers of them to support your troops on the ground and they would act as fly unit in TWW)
4.Siege itself would be multistage event (depending on how advanced and heavily fortified planet is) and would continue for several terms. Important difference with TWW - siege would not freez planet activities like it was in TWW. As i said earlier - your fleet would act as a your base, while planet would still able to generate troops, vehicles, etc to the limited extend (so it would be easier to defend planet then to take it).
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Planets would separated on several key areas (each of them provide huge bonus and options to defender side) attacker should take. For example - space port would provide garrison fleet with opportunity to retreat and repair damaged ships (so they could use "hit and run" tactic in order to tarnish your upcoming reinforcement and fleet on the orbit. Attacker would force to conquer each one of those areas in order to dwindle planet defence capabilities. He also could act head on and attack "main target" but would suffer huge attrition as a debuff for such bold choice. Defender would need think wise on how he would split his forces and which areas he chose to defend
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2)Key aspect of TWW40k game should be "cloud of war" - basicly player should not know what happen on the global map and his area of vision must be tightly link with territory he have in control (so he have little time to prepare for the siege and each player had a element of surprise). Ofcourse certain factions (for example - eldar due their ability to see future) would have way better vision on campaign map and another faction would have ability to limit another players vision (tyranids). Also almost every faction would have certain buildings (like observation station) and units (psykers, astropats) in order to make your vision better and this would play a key role - prepare your planets to the siege would take time (several turns). Better you able to prepare - better stats you get in defence. So depending on how early you spot enemy forces are coming = better defence you able to prepare.
My kingdom for naval battles in Warhammer Fantasy. I liked Dreadfleet. In general I want naval battles to come back in some form. Expanding diplomacy. A new engine to support gun play better than the current engine, support cover, suppression, the use of terrain and ruins as cover, moving through them, quick fortifying on the spot, etc.
"bats are common here" well is normal that a dawi to be in sylvania clearing some grudges
another thing they need are buildings, we will fight in urban environment and they need a way to manage units inside buildings
this will make or break CA for sure, they're dabbling in like Company of Heroes and Dawn of War area. When Warfare hits a certain technology threshold, it moves from large units of 100s too units of 4 - 24. Total War has a challenge ahead of themselves
Even if 40k becomes a new flagship they should continue to develop Warhammer 3 in paralell with new DLC. Putting in all that work and encouraging all those fans to stick around for three games to see a lot of the potential realized would be wasted if they just completely move on from Warhammer 3 after their next projects take priority. It's an evergreen source of profit as long as they put sufficient thought into pricing and the quality we get for our purchase.
my biggest doubts
1º Space battles?
2º Map, a planet, a solar system, a sector (DLC to get the entire galaxy?)
3º Implementation of space marines, how the factions would work, if they want to do it correctly regarding the lore they should all work more or less like Nakai, with imperial guard garrisons with some marines, they just kill the enemy don't colonize it. (at least the loyalist)
4º Factions restricted to maximum 1000 space marines?
5º Are they going to do sieges at all? How would that work?
6º Mechanicus titans/very big units viable at all?
I think a cover system and destructible terrain are absolute must haves
Imagine a Daemon of Chaos race thing that turns them into like Skaven/Beastmen where in the galactic map they’re permanently in the “ambush” stance to simulate warp jump chance of getting hit with a Daemonic invasions and having gellar fields can help reduce success chance of enemy ambushes
Need to sort the game out BEFORE release. Nothing kills a game's trajectory more than a broken launch.
Battlefleet gothic 2 is a good example on how fast a game dies if you give the players everything right away.
The first game had a amazing skirmish mode with a good progression system.
The main thing that CA should do for ANY future Total War game is pathfinding, it's so crucial. Units can properly move through buildings, especially ogre-size creatures, they constantly stuck
This may be controversial, but I would like to see scaling unit caps for armies. Basically versions of the Tomb Kings recruitment system for everyone. For example; the more Ork Boys you have the more Weird Boys you can recruit.
I actually enjoyed the naval battles in Napoleon and I would love to see Warhammer to get the navies of Man O' War. I have always assumed CA couldn't release their Warhammer ships becauce of Man O' War Corsair by Evil Twin Artworks got there first. However their ownership should now have expired IF CA wanted to do it. As you say probably too difficult given how many different types of ships, their weapons and their mechanics (Greenskin not submarines for example) would be a lot of work. And there is the worry that most players don't fight most of their battles, they just auto resolve, and the same thing is likely to happen with ships.
In warhammer total war you can play characters that are supposed to be dead or missing. It’s not part of the true cannon so you can do pretty much whatever with a few exceptions like playing with very very old characters or characters that GW says no. But in 40k you could use warp time shenanigans and play characters from when and wherever. My point is this game could be bigger than anything before
Shogun 2 had good navy combat
I'm genuinely curious as to why everyone is only noticing these issues now. I came into the series playing Warhammer 1 half a year into Warhammer 2's launch, after getting sucked into the idea of a Total Warhammer setting via the Medieval 2: Beginning of the End Times warhammer mod, and I noticed a lack of depth immediately.
The over-reliance on single entities, removing of bodyguards, watering down of the siege system, lack of garrisons, taxation or any settlement management mechanics whatsoever, along with the removal of minor settlement battles, naval battles and the terrible diplomacy (which is made even more unacceptable considering they'd been developing Three Kingdoms alongside Total Warhammer 2) system are all glaring issues that were only ever glossed over with a thin veneer of novelty via the magic system, large monstrous units and general flair and flavor of the Warhammer setting.
This is all made worse when you consider how the best DLC so far, Thrones of Decay, was apparently quite the strain on them. They finally started giving us good content and then all but admit they're not looking forward to delivering similar quality in the future. I get that they're seemingly "listening" once again for the 100th time, but delaying unfinished projects is the most basic of things to expect from a developer. If Warhammer 2 and 3 were historical titles that didn't have a massively popular IP to fall back on, the series would have ended after the first game. The only way they'll fix all of this is if they enact the following 4-step program:
Step 1 - Fire the marketing team
Step 2 - Fire the execs that prioritized short-term profits over long-term gain
Step 3 - Hire new staff that understand making a good product is how you sustain a business long-term
Step 4 - profit
We all know they'll get stuck at Step 0, however, which involves admitting that they have a problem. Not to their customers, though, but to themselves.
i prefer that ca focus on land battle only for 40k do a campin like dawn of war 1 and nothing else , i dont want to have an alfed bake game ,it's already a lot if they can make something work with land battles
About the diplomacy stuff maybe they are using pharaoh new update to test, team Sofia is kinda known for doing stuff that then gets used and it would make sense the pharaoh update to be big on diplomacy with how much it will expand
I've been wondering how they'll treat unit cohesion.
It's been a long time since I played tabletop but I remember in Fantasy battle we'd move units as a formation - which suits TW's model from previous games. 40K though the individual models would spread out a lot more, taking cover as you mentioned but even in open ground the units would be generally smaller and each model often more spread out or flexible with their positioning. Not something I think they'll find difficult to do but definitely something I'd like to see catered for.
Guardsmen could get away with it to some degree and a mass of Orks swarming forward in a blob makes sense, but for other races like Eldar or Space Marines a well defined formation marching to war for some/many of their units would just look.... odd.
Similar problem with WWI.
Oh naval/fleet battles really have to make a comeback. And more interesting battlefields too. Maybe buildings and other points of interest too, like watch towers to clear the battlefield fog of war, or even, like Shogun 2, certain speciality buildings appearing that could help units
When we're talking terrain, we also nees to talk path finding. I think that may be the harder issue to tackle.
Also for WW I naval battles, air craft carriers with plane garrisons anyone? 😁
In diplomacy there should be some forme of specific defensive alliance, basicly you sign a treaty to join a defensive war with someone if eitheir of you is attacked by some big threat (Vlad for example) but the treaty didnt cover the fact tath I got attacked by Leaf Cutterz. Allowing the IA to put priority against the growing player threat for example
I mean, I can already picture the game easily in warscape. Extra Small unit sizes, 20 units in LoS blocking terrain. Certain units with assault weapons can fire while running, while others with heavy or rapid fire can only fire while stationary/walk speed.
Vehicles have side, frontal armor.
Aircraft, battleships as call in bombardments to deter death stars.
Jump pack infantry able to zip around terrain.
Deep strike abilities, allowing terminators to teleport from space onto enemy positions at the right moment.
Slower pace than you might expect from DoW, to allow the player to react to the battlefield.
Support stuff like smokes to allow unit advances.
Point and click cover positions.
Emplacements need to be rotated(think ratling gunners)
A lot less overall battlefield information and scouting is more important due to LoS blocking.
And so on and so on. Just wanted to share my thoughts
CA need to put atleast the same ammount of Money into 40K, as they did with Hyena if not even more, otherwise it will just not work.
- They need a completly new engine for cover, entering buldings, how single entity units as daemons, titans and tanks will behave
- Planetary Systems and the Warp
- Huge Squad based battles with ALOT of Squads, Airsupport, Tanks, Titans and Spacemarines
- interesting mechanics and world/galaxy events and not stuff like: Migration yes or no ?
- Space battles, its 40K if there are no ships you cut out like 30% of what makes 40K what it is
- a overhall of Diplomacy, Mercenaries and Ressourcemanagment, like Biomass and Weapons (A Mix of Chaos Dawi factories/Bretonian peasents and food from Rome 2)
- More than 4 factions, sorry CA but you cant fill an entery galaxy with just 4 factions and then copy paste them for the whole galaxy, we need atleast 6 completly not related factions like Orks, Imperium, Eldar, Tau, Tyranids, Chaos, also i say it how it is, i will not spend 10+ Euro on a single Spacemarine Chapter or Guardsregiments
- Cutscenes and interesting Quests and Campaign goals, like bro its 2024 this is the bare minimum of modern entertaining
and so much more....like Psykers, Warpstorms, Hordemechanics for Tyranids, Craftworlds and Semi Hordes like Spacemarines and Orks.
Cults of Chaos, Genestealers, Corrupt Governors that dont pay taxes, Intern Conflicts for the Imperium like the Inqusition against a Spacemarine-Chapter or a Lord of Terra thats accused of heresy
Damn CA either puts everything they have into this or it will flop....
Thanks for the video
A good implementation of L-shaped ruins are a must!
Battlefleet gothic armada for space battles with steel division/warno styled land battles with the mix of total war diplomacy ( preferably 3 kingdoms ) and universal domination, then we have game of the decade on our hands, i can only dream of it
I still don't think they'll add Space Battle, as it is a different license altogether (Battlefleet Gothic). And while it was the warscape engine unwieldy nature that saw Naval Battle cut across the board, the license also is the reason Warhammer Total War never got its naval battles; for being another license (Man O'War.)
They are not going to pay an extra fee for Naval/Space Combat, let's be realistic.
The problem with that is that GW owns those licenses as well, so it's not unrealistic to use them further, and as for not being allowed to use man o war, every faction that had ships in man o war uses those ships when they move out to sea, no exceptions
I mean, Rogue Trader includes both space and land battles. You can't tell me Owlcat can navigate that licensing environment but CA can't.
Dude..... you can't trademark or copyright the idea of naval and stellar warfare.
@@picklefathernurgle2719 the thing is GW does have there legal rights rights between multiple licenses, which isn't an issue as they own both, sure you can't own naval warfare or spaceship warfare, but GW does own the weapons and ammo as well as the basic ideas of how there ships work and function, that's why if you were to make a game of battlefleet Gothic called fleet battle Renaissance, you'd be sued when the human faction has ships that look like 40k ships
@@calebbarnhouse496 I get the sense you don't understand how licensing works. CA getting the greenlight from GW to make a 40k Total War game with ship combat doesn't bring that game into conflict with another series. This is a completely made up problem.
I think they should find a way to make a mini game from ship battles. Something where it isnt as in depth as a battle with the armies but still something where we have control of the outcomes or something.
I have no idea how they're going to handle scale in TW40k, in both the tactical and strategic senses. On the tactical side, 40k battles can involve hundreds of thousands of soldiers, or millions, something beyond the scale of every preceding TW game. Maps would also need to be massive to account for this, and cities could no longer just be big castles, but enormous hive cities. They'd basically need to create a Supreme Commander-like game for it to work, at least insofar as for it to feel like 40k in terms of scale. I suspect we won't quite get that, short of them building an entirely new engine.
Then there's the strategic side. In past TW games, the world map is like a region of Earth, like Europe or Japan. TWWH has the entire Fantasy Earth, but that's still pretty small compared to 40k, which spans the entire galaxy. They could do the entire galaxy, and just limit the number of conquerable planets to a few dozen (ala the old Star Wars RTS/4X Empire At War), but that feels like it misses the point of 40k.
Maybe they could just scale everything down. In the same way that Darktide just takes place in a single Imperial Hive City on a single planet, maybe TW40k could take place in a single solar system, or maybe a few solar systems, sort of like how the Gaunt's Ghosts books take place in a cluster of star systems, and never go beyond that. That way you could have reasonably large scale, without the game's mechanics butting up against 40k's setting being too massive to even comprehend.
I would think that not that much diplomacy would be needed, everyone is at war with everyone else, eldar can sometimes be reasoned with and some orks are mercenaries, but that is just an exception.
Sometimes I think CA are just making shit up when they talk about player numbers. They want us to believe nobody plays naval battles so they're not worth adding but so many people play multiplayer that it's worth balancing the whole game around? Like seriously, who tf are these people who skip every naval battle and spend half their time playing multiplayer? They don't seem to be anywhere on the Internet, are they just hiding?
Only four? If they are to make it properly there's loads more to change. Example : your artillery emplacement shoots, shell lands, units splatter/gore/gibs and everything. What's missing? well shell landed in the middle of the forest, it should deform the terrain (new cover/can hunker down in the crater), destroy trees (aka partial forest cover removed), forest catches fire (slowly removes forest, non-elite units inside get dmg). This is just one scenario. Out of hundreds. IMHO - new engine is mandatory, software that will enable rendering tens of thousands of units, terrain deformation, dynamic lightning, complex environments, proper AI and unit interactions, and those are just from top of my head. CA wants to make 40k they need A LOT of THINGS thought through and done with modern tech capabilities. If it's just a reskin of Total War 3, it ain't gonna slide.
My own take on TW:WH40K:
1. Needs new engine (It must be able to handle LOTS of units, and space battles, and naval battles in case of future WW2 game etc).
2. Way more units on the battlefield. Yeah, I know that there can surely be skirmish battles in WH40k where 20 units face 20 units, but imho why not have a hundred units facing a hundred units, where the player gets to use his 20 units and the AI takes control of the rest (Unless you are a savant and want to controll all hundred units).
3. Whole army being able to go skirmish mode. Let a unit of space marines go in formation, for sure, but they'll most of the time run around in skirmish, going from cover to cover. Lets units seek shelter inside ruins and take advantage cover of terrain/buildings.
4. Destructible buildings. We need this, and we need units to be able to enter intact buildings and ruins to get cover and secure points.
5. Thematic warfare going on outside the map. Lets use all that "AI" knowledge we have today to make scenic battle going on outside the actual map. Let the player take a quick break from whatever he is doing and just immerse himself with the ongoing battle between AI units. Depending on how the actual fight is going for the player, the scenic battles could sway and show how its going.
6. Diplomacy. Some races wont have diplomacy with others, and even most of those that do have diplomacy with each others should have as much negative effect as positive effect. (Imperial Guards making short alliance with Tau in a system to fight a common foe? Then the Ecclesiarchy is gona have a field day on those imperials and punish them in all sorts of ways.)
7. Easier way to sync the mods that two or more players want to use in COOP. I hate spending 10 min going through what mods we're gona manually turn on and off before playing a coop game. Let host decide the mods, that way you can still have your "personal" mods running for your singleplayer game, but as soon as you go back to a saved coop or start up a new coop it will temporary switch to whatever the host wants to use.
So... A completely different game?
@@link670 yeah, what, did you want WH40k to be Fantasy?
@@ForrestFox yep. Can't force 40k into total war anymore than you could force 40k into a fantasy battles game.
Spokeen like someone who have absolutely no idea how developping a game works. I almost expected you to say " they should add a Pokemon capture mechanic" out of nowhere.
@@link670 Thats why they need a new engine
I'm on a night shift so I appreciate this 😂
I mean, I highly doubt diplomacy is going to play next to any part in 40k. between factions that nominally at least serve the same empire, it makes sense, but it also makes sense for diplomacy to be incredibly between different species and getting something like the eldar to help out against a black crusade should feel like a feat of diplomacy, rather than the inevitable formation of the ordertide as it did in TW:WH2. By contrast diplomacy within the same species should feel incredibly commonplace. Things like trade deals with xenos or chaos should be possible, but an extremely bad idea (if discovered, hoarding xenotech and not getting caught should be an entire playstyle for some mechanicus faction).
I can take or leave aerial combat unless it's aerial units during land battles. But I'm still of the mind that this first game will just focus on one planet - one solar system at most. Diplomacy, at least for the first game, is very low on the priority list until they have more factions that can engage in it among each other. You wouldn't see Imperium make diplomatic missions with Orcs or Chaos, for example. But they could with Imperial Guard, Inquisition, or maybe Elves. We don't know the starter factions, but I don't expect it to be many. The absolute biggest thing they have to stick is cover and line of sight. At the absolute barest of minimum.
Perhaps with extensions to X & Y axis it goes more into CPU territory which is going to stress any ancient engine (eg. Stellaris battles). Zen 5 is around the corner. RTS devs NEED to update their engines.
I need better path finding. It drives me crazy in TW3.
Regarding cover. I would like to see deploy able cover like smokescreens or toxic clouds. As well as permanent cover clouds on the battlefield. Nurgle can turn regions into toxic swamps that are covered with a thick fog that not only is so dense that you can't see the enemies in it, but is also so toxic/corrosive that you can only hope to cross it in vehicles or fully closed power armor, because even re-breather get destroyed. Even power armor and vehicles have problems with it.
A-friggin-men on the cover/terrain. A bunch of races will be near unplayable if they are forced to fight only on wide open maps.
Space "naval" battles could be interesting, but naval battles were never good, and I will never miss them
40 000 has to happen!! CA you will make those huge profits!
Good squad combat, to be real I don't see a good 40k real time battle coming out of CA. I don't know how they would make it work. Battles have to be just under apocalyps sice but in the range of up to 10k points to be in the usual scale for TW to make sense. So there needs to be a good battle AI that works on it's own when you don't order it around all the time. I can maybe see them doing that with Space Marines, but Guard? There would be models dieing all the time. All this in Urban enviroment, they have to get good movement for units that don't mover in formation, to be fair they also don't move in formation in WH3, but that is a problem. One way I could see this work is a summening system, like ordering around reinforcements in the MP battles that WH3 has right now. Very sceptical.
Ironic that you mentioned "tanks and helicopters" as examples of the advanced technology in the 40k universe when both of those things are present in WH fantasy
A steam tank is a train, hush
Creative Assembly's biggest issue is technical debt they need to sort that out first
If warhammer 40K will come. I hope it will come 2030 for i dont whant that game now. Will have more dlc to warhammer 3.
the only thing they need is for infantry to not walk around in tidy formations like its the napoleonic wars
Please try the millennium mod it got updated for 5 0 and is a good comparison for a ww1 total war
They're not bats, Nathan, they're birds called swifts lol.
hot take but any form of " ship battle " for this total warhammer 40k would be a detriment
not only would it take so much development time to implement it
but most battles in 40k the setting take place in ships, makes sense why bother sending dude to the surface when you can just blockade the world and starve it for the most part
if you add ship battles its now really hard to not have those be 90 percent of the battles
I’m sure most 40k fans couldn’t give 2 shits about diplomacy mechanics because of grim derp brain so CA might actually be able to get away with not actually fixing that shit up and just giving the barest of bare bones.
Tbh your average 40k fan hypes up mid games like darktide, they could release shogun 2 with literally the shogun 2 units reskinned to be 40k factions and people would still suck it off
Yeah I mean Warhammer either of the fantasy or 40k variety doesn't really put a lot of emphasis on diplomacy. 40k especially is pretty much just everybody fighting everyone all the time, and frankly I think the current diplomacy system would work well enough for that.
Considering the average 40k fan probably only cares about Space Marines, some of the least intriguing and interesting parts of the setting, yeah, I can see this being a problem.
@@kapitankapital6580 except that it does, fragile balances between Space Marines, Imperial guard, Inquisition, planetary governments and more, there is lot that could be done, are you hiding cursed artifacts from Inquisition? Are you on good terms with Mechanicus? Did you piss off local government by confiscating their moon? Sounds like keeping working army could be decently sized diplomatical task.
in terms of game combat as it is currently formated, the closer the game comes to the modern era the harder the combat is to sell. Scale in combat will not seem realistic where it isnt always acurate but sometimes can be. If they do this they will have to be very creative about the battle space
The evidence is overwhelming! The other day you said there ahould be a Vampire Counts rework. Today you post in the middle of the night AND there are bats flying around. Clearly you have turned into a dark master of the night.
Im afraid CA is in rly hard spot like now (ofc they mada it for themself anyway...). Any bad decision can be their last. Prob best wayis rly good, polished, not rushed next big title players wanna engage (M3, R3, S3, wh40k maybe) and support wh3 with as much dlc as they can make with good quality. They got no more place for mistakes...
I'd like to see lord and hero 1v1 duels like in 3 kiqngdoms, sad they didn't bring it to warhammer 3
3:18 Hopefully Nathan is a high enough level to fight off those Fell Bats
I know it's not the same but I'm enjoying Battle Sector at the minute.
Ship battles!
For ship battles it could still be a GW issue; it’ll be a tzaangor beak thing all over, like they could have improvements or just port fall of the samurai or battle fleet gothic, GW might just say “it’s a different IP” and won’t be pushed through
The Ai for missile units to target one target is awful. For example 5 missle units order to target 1 greatsword unit, they clump together and block each other shots. It wasnt like that for a year ago. Fix it CA!
Just, yes to all of this!
The more I hear about the monumental task that even making a Total War serviceable in terms of 40k combat would be, the more I kind of want Relic Entertainment or whoever is making the Company of Heroes games these days to make a 40k game instead.
Combat and squad mechanics worry me most. Large scale warfare but operating at squad level.
You can't have an entire company or platoon plus of weapons teams, like Warplock Jezzails or Ratling Guns in TWWH. When i was in the military, this is called being fucking dumb. Weapons team don't move as a company, they're attached to and operate at squad level so they can better support troops and don't get entirely wiped out by arty/air strikes.
Similarly organic weapons like Flamers, Plasma, Missile Launcher etc should be part of squad customization. They're attached to or are part of a fire team or rifle platoon. They should also have a purpose like suppression, anti-armor kinda like the contact effects in TWWH but much bigger impact.
Lords & heroes should/can have a retinue.
Auxiliary roles like the Bannerman, Sergeant, Apothecary, Combat Medic, Chaplains, Exarch, Nob etc possibly as a leadership/support customization option for platoons and not a single entity.
Then you have kits like grenades, melta bombs, deployable energy shields etc, again as equipment option for squads or platoons as an active skill.
Also there's other things to consider like Terminator & Warp Spider teleportation.
A TW WH40K is NOT a simple and direct translation based on TWWH3.
I think it's probably going to be similar to Epic/Legions Imperialis so rather than squads, you'll be ordering around demi-companies!
One thing that really shouldn't be in 40k is the blood DLC ... it would feel weird to play the base game without the carnage of 40k
I really hope they do WW1 or empire 2 next, I am dying to try a modernized gun focused historical Total war. Warhammer 40k is my favorite IP of all time but it can wait since it has so many games and there is always tabletop to fall back on but I don't have that for the other settings.
Top 5 things they need to have set:
- Timeframe, if they make it all Primaris only then people are going to be so disappointed. People want Firstborn! And Yarrick!
- Im/Mortal Empires on launch of games post-first one to avoid the issues before
- How to integrate Space Marines and their chapter depth without having them bloat the roster
- Scale of map. Planetary or interplanetary?
- Honestly, improved load times. TW3's load times are horrific.
I really hope it Leans further into the fun/goofy side of 40k than the serious side
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Destructible terrain, trenches, army painter, larger armies, and, obviously, lots of gore
Absolutely okay with, and even encourage, them ignoring ship battles in TW40k, as long as they use the development time to flesh out the ground battles. Those are more important and I don't feel like Total War is the medium to highlight this part of the 40k universe.
just want by great droid army for now
Sons of Malice as a playable faction.
Battlefleet gothic 2 was a great game, and did feel similar to total war, both in its campaign, and naval battles. CA need to achieve a similar standard, if not higher, for any 40k total war. Without naval battles, TW 40k will not be complete.
It must not be just a total war warhammer with a 40k skin. It has to look and feel different!
I agree with 3 out of 4, don't really see the need of ship battles I rather have a better gameplay focus on ground than a mediocre system that will suck resources format he rest of the game
The fact they were testing 40k esque mechanics in fantasy makes me feel like they might still use the same ol rome 2 engine. Which if they do, is already setting the game up to be little in the way of an upgrade to the fantasy game. Engine is old, too much tech dept, would just hold the game back hard.
Would it kill them to optomise their terrain mapping in general ? The amount of times i've seen a spot on a map that could be of really good use, or i'm turtling and the jankiness just fucks with my layout because for some nonsense reason they can't actually sit on a part of a hill that is definitely not too steep but would be a perfect level of elevation for rifles. Also yes, this game NEEDS space battles and hell, ship boarding mini battles where you deploy a small contingent of units capture or disable an enemy ship.
I'm not gonna say it's not frustrating, but terrain mapping on a game like this is incredibly difficult for a lot of tiny entities to do, whenever you issue a move command every indviual unit has to figure out the best way to get there, so locking it down some helps with gameplay performance
@@calebbarnhouse496 man, I don't want to come off like a dick but c'mon, the units in this series have TERRIBLE pathing issues at the best of times regardless of the terrain and i'm literally talking about a slope that I can't utilise for....... reasons. There aren't any obejects for them to work around, it's just a slight slope eventually elevating into a mountainside or something like that, a slope that would be perfect for a line of ballistic units to shoot over the front line into melee combatants. As someone who has over 1000 hours in TW:WH3 alone I can safely say it is one the most aggravating f*****g things about the game, especially when I will see the AI use the small gaps, to filter units into my backline, that I can't fill because of the jank.
@@jaidarling8855 that's the point, the units are calculating a lot of things at the same time, it'll only be made worse when they have more space and more obstacles there
For a 40K TW I wonder how they would make themselves stand out/be better than Dawn of War or Empire at War for gameplay. Only unique TW element I can imagine is the diplomacy which, well.. Is unreliable with TW releases
not optimistic the new games planned... but if the content creators are on board an theirs good amount of viewers here for it. than ill get it
The maps feel barren? Well, lets ignore the fact that there are certain faction which want to fight on flat terrain all the time with hardly any obstacles but the real bummer is, have you payed attention to unit pathing? Since the last DLC light cavalry movement SUXs ARSE! Instead of worrying about how the maps look like, I would be more concerned how units behave and move. Anyway ...
Empire At War would be a better fit for Warhammer 40,000 than Total War would be.
TRS/FPS 3ps hybrids rock & im not buying it if its not going to innovate with the compaction.. & i can tell u as a modr TWWh3 has the capability to do FPS 3ps if they just work on it
I never liked ship battles, but yeah they'd HAVE to be in 40k or Star Wars, at the very least
I really hope they find a way to improve the AI.
Most impiortant is in my opinion NO BRAINDEAD AI! That is so annoying, if you can't have fun, because the AI is so stupid.
Total War 40k would be kinda neat
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I really don’t like the idea of adding space battles 40K. I would much rather they focus on making the regular land combat the best it can be rather than make half assed space combat system.
Even when not taking development resources into account I think it’s a bad idea. A lot of people will say space is so ubiquitous that there has to be there, but that’s exactly why I don’t want it there. The game will basically become shitty space combat game with how often it will happen. It would make land battles even more rare depending on how they implement the campaign map.
Another problem arises due to the ubiquity of space. Your armies will constantly be traveling through space to get to each other new system and will need to have some form of navy guarding it. If we assume that it’s like previous total war navies your embarked armies would be virtually worthless as they’d get destroyed by a small naval force. You’d be required to probably have a navy for each army which would be a drag on your economy. Alternatively you could have each unit have a ship type assigned to it. Though this then takes away from your ability to choose your own navy.
This wasn’t an issue for previous total wars because you didn’t have to embark to get to every region like you would in a 40K game. You could pick and choose when you would and could usually get away with a smaller number of navies. You could heavily invest in your navy and be a sea power or you could focus on being a land power. The point is you had a choice. In a 40K game you really wouldn’t. Having a good navy would be a mandatory and you’d spend too much time playing that instead of the land battles we want from a 40K game.
I don't see how they could possibly make a 40k game with their engine. It's built for line based combat not guerilla combat. If anyone should make a 40k strategy it should be Relic with their Company of Heroes engine or by Best Way with their Men of War gameplay
40k in the style of halo wars would absolutely work, you'd just need to zoom the camera out some and allow some factions to have have very large unit sizes
Relic did, it's called dawn of war 2, they also did dow 1 but dow2 plays more like COH
One big mechanic I want is my entire melee unit smushing in to get into melee. It sucks to watch the frontlines where 1/2 of each unit is engaged and the other 1/2 behind them are waiting their turn to move up. Or even if you're charging a unit from the side, sometimes it makes a weird square shape instead of totally wrapping around the other unit. I would also love to see ranged units be able to fire less accurately while charging forward and only not fire when running away. Sucks whenever I reposition just slightly and they take 3-4 to move 2 feet then reset their firing stance.
I think the Unification Era (30K) could be more doable.