This One Simple Trick Could Save Your Ship!! MWD/Cloak Trick || EVE Online
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
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The so-called Microwarpdrive/Cloak Trick is a powerful tool to help slower ships survive in dangerous space! Learning this technique could keep you alive!
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A quick pointer here, a common mistake is to put shield extenders on ships while doing this. If you are relying on your cloak do not use shield extenders or anything that increases sig radius. The reason is that sebo'd insta-lock ships always have a chance to catch you due to how server ticks work. They must be able to lock you within a second though, that is why sig really matters.
The only time you should be using shield extenders for travel is if you are traveling through hi-sec areas where gankers may try and alpha you. In most other cases if you are caught a shield extender just means you die slightly slower.
A very good point
The Mastodon specifically also gets nice bonuses to shield resists, shield resist modules, shield boosters, and overheating both of those so you can be pretty shield tanked without blowing up your signature. #replyingtoa10montholdcomment
It also gets a 100% bonus to overheating prop modules and I wonder if that's enough to make using an AB for this possible.
Side note: If you are moving a freighter, you can have someone friendly lock you and double stasis webify you once you have reached a about a third of your top speed, you will enter warp almost instantly because your max speed has been reduced to 36% of your normal max speed. This works for freighters because most of their 'enter warp' time is spent accelerating to 75% of max speed to enter warp.
Yup, great tip!
The amazing feeling one receives when you give a camp the slip can't be put into words. This is an amazing tool any pilot can have sitting in their toolbox for those, "just in case" moments.
I fly cloaky most of the time so when I'm in something that can't warp cloaked I do the mwd/c trick. Every time.
I feel so naked and exposed moving around without a cloak.
It's a great feeling, and I'm the same - give me cloaks!
@@captainbenzieIt's not even "just in case" thing. This is now my only way to haul. :D
if you are hauling high value but low volume items like blue loot, i suggest using covert frigate to haul it as its way faster and you get that cloak. If the item you are trying to haul is medium sized, use a blockade runner as that also gives you a covert cloak, only bring out the dst if you are trying to move a whole marauder from place to place along with the fits (at that point i suggest hauling the fits in a frigate then the marauder itsself in dst)
Finally a video that explains this in detail.
Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks! I've got my cloak and MWD ready on my hauler to practice.
Good luck!
Been waiting for this vid, you've been teasing it for a little while 😆!
Hope it's useful!!
I have heard of the "trick" for years, but never really understood it until now. The Microwarpdrive/Cloak Trick is tight.
Hope it helps you!!
Nice to see some in rust we trust love.
I started in amarr ships in 2006. I still enjoy many of them, but also love minmatar ships. The mammoth has always been a favorite since it was the best level 4 hauler before they revamped haulers letting anyone fly one with level 1 skill training. Or the baffling ability to fly an iteron 5 with gal hauler 1.
I keep trying to decide which dst I want to use primarily. I have several toons that man use several if not all from al races. I HATE detest the looks of the occator, but its hard to deny its superb tank and decent speed. The amarr haulers are ok but sooo slow. I remember hauling trash in a bestower when I started out to make isk. The caldari are just meh and tend to be my least favorite of all races.
I adore the Mastodon as a DST, yes it lacks the tank of the Occator but it's so fast and nimble that catching it is so hard!!
@@captainbenzie Yep I might go back to it because I can and I do enjoy them that much.
Though I often fly the same ship with my empire hauler as I do with my wh/null toon so that I can simply meet up eject and board the other and away I go. It limits the exposure and time away from home.
btw ty for the good videos. ive been watching more of them as I got sucked back into eve after a 6 year break. My pc died so it was time for a break but I do miss the depth and variety of the game so here I am again lol.
@@MysticalDragon73 welcome home, and glad that you're enjoying!
@@captainbenzie yep I am so far. Activated 3 accounts to omega, might do a 4th or 5th if I can justify it. I'm in a c3 wh atm getting my space legs under me. trying to see if the corp is a fit or not. Will likely need to move up some. Also looking at other activities outside of wh to do when its quiet. SOOO much has changed over the last 6 years and I sadly still remember things from the way they were in 2006 lols. Gotta unlearn and relearn alot.
Just a note, anytime you are hauling valuable loot in hisec, you should use this too. 100m in your hold is a baseline number for a suicide ganker to profit from the loot you drop, and if there's something rare, that alone can trigger them to roll the dice to see if they'll get it from your wreckage.
Yup, agreed
You told me we can also do the MJD/Cloak trick, was wondering if you'd like to do a video on that and perhaps give examples on how a MJD could be useful and in which situations. I never really used those and would be happy to learn what they can do.
thank you for sharing eve wisdom
I can't seem to find a specific video of yours showcasing the overview and how to setup filters, discuss relevant info to constantly see. I feel like you would do a great job showcasing that vs most people's "copy this filter setup and use it". That doesn't help me at all to understand exactly what I'm looking at or what I need to tweak to fit my needs.
MWD/Cloak trick is also very useful in hisec against suicide gankers. It can help you prevent them from scanning your ship in the first place, plus prevent the gank as well. You can actually use it on a Orca too, you need to overheat the MWD before activating it and you to uncloak 1 or 2 seconds before the cycle finishes. It's a bit more tricky and leaves you open for that 1 or 2 seconds, but can work too, even if it's just in hisec and to prevent suicide gankers to scan down your cargo. If they can't scan you there's much less chances they will try to gank you on the next system. As for faster traveling I would recommend an afterburner instead which has a 8 second cycle instead of 10. An afterburner can also be very useful for ships like an DST, in case you need to burn to the gate and your MWD is scrambled, so I use dual prop on my Occator.
Does gift wrapping cans with the high value loot inside the can still work to avoid cargo scans? I usually paired that with a bunch of low value salvage loot to flood the scanner. Also I thought the modules you fit on ships inside your ship maintenance bay were also immune, but I'm not up to speed on all the changes from th last 3 years or so.
@@danschmidt6206 good question, don't really know. I remember they used to work yes, not sure if still works.
@@danschmidt6206 i loved filling a cargohold with bookmarks. Sometimes I had a can full of 1000's of jita bookmarks just to lag their scanners. However I believe that was done away with an an "exploit" no it was one tool to help keep me alive nnd incognito from the bs gankers.
We used to call this "Frag Warping" saves you every time if you time it right..🙂
Never heard that term, but I like it!
I've been playing around with the MWD+Cloak trick and found those tricks which seemed to help counter lag issues that can occur sometimes. What do you think?
1) Sometimes, I found that if I don't properly wait for the alignment to begin (ship starts moving) that it fails to activate the cloak because of the gate cloak interference. To help with that, I found that switching to the 1st person view while traveling makes it much easier to see when your ship starts moving as the whole HUD moves and not just your ship which can sometimes be hard to see when cloaked against a bright background.
2) Watch out for module readiness! It happened a few times where my cloaking device wasn't fully ready on the next jump, and it prevented it from starting. You really have to make sure that there are no ticks left around the module button (that the cooldown is over) before you press it again.
3) Sometimes on busy systems, hitting the Cloak + MWD hotkeys too quickly in succession glitches (happened to me several times), so it might seem trivial but you really have to take the time to hit them in sequence. Since you have 5 seconds to hit the MWD after activating the cloak, there's no need to rush the MWD.
4) Not sure why that happened, but I had issues more than once in high-sec where even though I had spammed the JUMP button on the overview and that warp initiated properly as a result with the "JUMPING" notification, but ended up idle and uncloaked at the destination gate and didn't jump. I had to hit JUMP again to go through. This could have been fatal if there had been a ganker waiting for me. I don't know why it did that and I am not sure if it was lag or not, but I think that activating the AUTOPILOT as I warped to the gate could help to prevent that. Just have to make sure to disable it as soon as you jump through though...
I'd always steer clear of autopilot, but the other tips are solid! I love the first person view one!
@@captainbenzie thanks! Any tips to deal with lag issues at gates then? Has it ever happened to you? It seems to always happen around Hek in my case.
I too found spamming jump more often than not cancels the actual jump.
I just press both cloak and MWD at the same time (hotkeys). If I get the interference message I hit both again. Seems to always work.
great vid thx for the trick
No problem!
Woah. That is a neat trick.
Hope it helps!
Another honorable mention is micro jump drive + burst jammer. Works well for rolling battleships and deep space transports but you don't want to use this in highsec or lowsec.
Yup! I run a MJD on my DST for that reason, but Burst Jammers have the massive downside of deactivating Interdiction Nullifiers. To me that's a much more important but of equipment on a hauler.
just got ganked hard- i knew this trick just wasnt employing it and now im a half a bil poorer. watching this again so i dont forget it
Ouch, a painful lesson, but one well learned!
I recommend *setting the module on single cycle* ...
The second it turns off is your "go" ... no matter if you cloak or not. it always helps you into warp thanks to the additional thrust.
Your time (given max skills) will be reduced to the 7.5s cycle time of those modules, instead of 10-14s of your industrial
*EDIT* in fact; a cloak runs 10s and a AB or MWD runs
I like’m even before I see your videos! o7
Haha thank you!!
I really need this... when i will be able to put a cloak on my ventures
As i lost one right after entering lowsec to a loki lol
Or general tips to navigate lowsec without getting banged all the time
Make sure to check out my D-Scan video too! I do also give some tips in my mining guide
@@captainbenzie i am spamming dcan inside out, even in highsec lol
Thanfully one of the moderators of eve gave my lost venture back
At first i thought i only got back the empty ship and a mining laser
Then i realized i had all other modules fitted as well
So how come it depicts your cloak dropping when you activate your improved cloak? Can other players see that or is this only visible to us?
You appear for a single server tick.
captain Benzie do you have ingame name want show my fit some reason not getting this work help me?
Yup, it's Captain Benzie
Am i doing something wrong; when I use the cloak it says interference from the cloaking device is preventing the system from functioning. When I try to cloak thrn MWD. I might be wrong of course or have missed something but I think I have all the right stuff on my probe. Sorry for the dum question. Hope your feeling better Captian! O7
You have to be quick using them, and you can't be under gate cloak
@captainbenzie aligning should break the gate cloak, or am I wrong. I have been practicing, and I'm sure I'll get it sooner or later. Your video makes it very clear what I need to do, it must just be im not quick enough 😀
@@smoore6461 yes, you have to break the gate cloak and immediately replace it with the cloak
Do I still need this trick if the align time is < 2 second?
No
You didn’t mention auto pilot? For eg: so starts to move and the gate cloak is off. Can this still be used in that scenario.
Who uses autopilot
@@Mika-ph6ku wtf haha if I’m travelling 35 jumps i do
NEVER use autopilot. Set destination, and then just keep clicking jump in Hisec. Autopilot absolutely will get you killed and if it hasn't yet, it will.
@@captainbenzie i have just logged in to my account. Looks too complicated haha. Can’t even claim my skills points
@@captainbenzie the only time I would use it is after you successfully initiated jump towards the gate, as a fail-safe to make sure your ship jumps in case the manual jump command glitched. It happened to me a few times where I ended up idle at the destination gate even though I had clicked JUMP and it did say JUMPING... I had to manually click JUMP again and could have been targeted by gankers if they had been waiting for me. Wouldn't the autopilot make sure it jumps if it was enabled (and then disabled for the next jump)?
One important thing not mentioned is In the time between pressing align and cloaking you can be easily targeted by gankers with autoclickers so you need to press both inputs almost the exact same frame or at least within 0.1s because once you are being targeted you cannot cloak, in your example you are way too slow!
I'm actually exactly synced, it just looks wrong because I live in Zimbabwe and the lag is real. You'll see the modules seem to take ages to activate, but they "activate" part way through the cycle.
@@captainbenzie I'm actually wondering precisely when do you become visible (uncloak from gate cloak) after hitting align ? Is it when your ship starts moving (visually) or as soo as you press the button and see the "Aligning" text regardless? I found that if I don't wait for the ship to move, it often doesn't let me activate the cloaking device because of gate cloak interference. I usually travel in 1st person view to make it easier to see when I start moving too, helps me time it as quickly as possible.
@@YanickGirouardur ship is visible to scan and the overview as soon as u release the button. The visual aspect has no bearing on that. Now there still is the actual visibility of your ship due to the animation. Like if u cloak ur ship instantly becomes untargetable and disappears from the overview but the enemy will still see the cloaking animation despite that.
That is a mammoth vid!
Haha thank you!
Wise man once say never fly without cloaking device
My kinda guy
i miss the old way where it would just yeet you in to warp.
😂
Is that work in eve echos?
It does yes
@@captainbenzie thank you.
Fit Haulers for align , cuz if you aren't fast enough with your MWD+CLOAK trick, your DST will be EASILY decloaked
- Mayor of Thera
If you think you're in a particularly nasty situation carefully align, activate cloak, set MWD to overheat, activate MWD, and decloak at the usual 95% MWD cycle (when hauling I set auto-repeat off for the MWD to be extra safe). I do find that the alignment of different stargates can affect the timing and leave you exposed for several seconds after decloaking. With overheating you'll have 100% insta-warp, even with a DST.
@@centauri8820 100% Insta Warping DST is propaganda that I love :)
I , Legion Masser , have killed North of 150 DST Haulers in the last 18 months with just a Hecate and Sabre , decloaking them LONG before they even think of Insta warping
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I 100% assure you there's so many of my Hauler Kills on that list , that you will stop counting my DST kills lololol
Or click the E to see how I do it
I tried this in a Hawk and still got gunked by a bunch of webs, disruptors and scramblers. Did I do something wrong, or was I too slow?
Looking back it is more like I ran into a bubble first, it seems
Necro comment, but I've been struggling to find a perfect indicator on when to activate your cloak.
2-3 things can go wrong following hitting the allign button.
If you cloak too quick you will get an error with the gate cloak preventing a new cloak.
If you're too slow, they can lock you up in 1 second (especially with local or remote sensor boosters).
Very unlikely, but you could have been too close to a ship or something preventing your cloak.
As far as timing goes, I've seen people talk about watching for the ship moving from first person mode. I've tried watching for the cloak timer disappearing.
@@sportsfreak33393 um he answered why 5 months before your reply to them smh.
If you are an Alpha clone, this doesn't work since you cannot fit a cloak module to your ship. :(
Well, yes. That's true.
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Glad I could help!
You don't need to deactivate the cloak, or no need at all for it, the stopping of aft or mwd is enough to bring you over 75% of speed. Double click on mwd or aft before aligning. Untill you are aligned a cycle is finished and you jump instantly after.I am jumping my orca and other XL ships like this, without cloacking for years now.
Yeah, true, that gets you a fast warp. It doesn't protect you from ganking or gatecamps though 😅
mwd + cloakc trick is not about warping faster but about warping safer. The fact that you warp faster on some ships is just a bonus.