Test video: Workshop PC board swap and i7-950 test 12-7-14
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Putting my friend's old i7-950 hardware in my workshop PC after an upgrade.
I never planned on uploading this, due to incomplete footage. But I decided to test my new video card, using hardware encoding with Powerdirector 13. I probably should have used a shorter video, because the final cut ended up at almost 6GB.
The On-off-on at first power on is common on intel hardware since the 775 days. More common with aftermarket boards than say Dell. I think it has something to do with the BIOS auto adjusting settings or some kind of a quick test. but not sure. Some boards with do 2 or 3 power on cycles if they have not been powered on for some time. My I5-2550K didn't have as many "dual power on" cycles after the initial boot, but if it doesn't get shut down correctly it does do this. Also I built a FX-8350 system and AIDA64 CPU QUEEN benchmark showed it just under the I7-920.
I've never seen the on-off cycles, unless it's the first boot after a CPU swap or clock speed change. Not sure why this board does it every time when XMP is on.
My ABIT P35 board dual power cycles on every power on. It is a 775 with the P35 chipset. I had an Asus X38 and X48 boards, both did the dual power on cycles as well. Although not all the time.
Maxxarcade the dual power cycle is completely normal, it happens when you change memory settings or if you overclock the system, it happens in my 775 boards with different chipsets (965, g31 and x48), and by the way that i7 950 performs better than the fx 8350, thats because of its higher performance per core compared to the fx series, even an i7 920 overlocked is better than the 8350
santi0797 I know it's normal right after the settings are changed, but I've never had one cycle every single time, even when no changes are made. Maybe that's normal for this board though. Still doesn't explain the locking up on POST, corrupted BIOS etc.
Maxxarcade maybe the northbridge or southbridge temps are too high, i heard that some x58 boards overheat, and these kind of problems occured, maybe the thermal paste is too old and inneficient, check the temps with aida, i use that for my asus rampage formula x48
Still running an i7-920 at 3.67Ghz on an EVGA X58 SLI w/24GB memory and a GTX 770 Classified.
I'm just now replacing this board and proc and moving to an i7-5820k on the x99 platform; the 920 was that good. Only reason I'm replacing it right now is due to age of the motherboard and proc, coming up on 7 years now.
The double boot thing when you first turn the computer on is because the BCLK is overclocked. That is totally normal for the x58 platform when the BCLK is overclocked.
Ah, that explains it then. My G41 based system at work never does that, so I figured the settings were just too high or something. I'll probably just leave the XMP off then, since I don't like having to double cycle it on every boot.
Interesting with the graphics driver issues with Nvidia and AMD hardware. I've been running an AMD Phenom II X4 965BE on an Asus M5A97 board since I built it back in mid 2012. It's had a GTX550Ti and that ran fine. Upgraded it to a GTX950 last November and that's been great, too.
i have one of those budget evga 430 watt PSU's that i had laying around running a 6300 and AMD r9 285 both with a slight overclock running fine lol , the psu barely gets warm , i really want something with more headroom though. i just find it funny that some people think you need a 600 + watt psu for a full mid end AMD system
At the time this was built, that plan was to have multiple GTX 570 cards and an i7-980X. It would have needed quite a bit.
The PSU in my FX-8150 rig is an old 520W Corsair, and it doesn't have to work very hard. I could probably even run it with a 330W Antec EA-330D, since the +12v ratings are only slightly less than the Corsair.
I have usually gone with 550 watts in my builds they offer the most flexibility imo, My 8320 pushed 4.6ghz and that's pulling around 165 watts at load just from the CPU then add in the GTX 286 video card and if i am pushing both the CPU and GPu they consume 400 watts by themselves.
Regarding the BIOS becoming corrupt, tried changing the battery on the mobo?
Is this i7 plus mobo for £40 good?
Put the 1155 board in that Compaq along with that PSU.
I did, but I'll probably be doing another swap soon, since I have a board that works even better with the case.
Cool! :D
looks like bad motherboard caps to me, either way those i7's suck anyway, stick with AMD mate, never had any of these issues in over 15 years of use
I've been exclusively AMD for years and had no problems (except for some ASUS board failures). This old Phenom II X4 965 is still holding its own on the 990FXA-UD3.
I have had nothing but problems with AMD, I will never use them again. Every Intel board made by MSI failed around 3 years, so I buy Gigabyte now. I do use their video cards without a problem.
if i was your id check the ram My dads office pc had the same issue endded up being defected ram one ram stick was bad. Bad ram can still pass ram test just an fyi
$3000.00 :)), A good pentium 1 with a printer and monitor was $5000.00 in 1995. I tend to stick to buying the cheapest new items now, as the tech changes way too fast. Got 4 pcs running right now. Emachines Pentium 4, Around 500.00 when new, Emachines quad 2 squad, 6600. 600.00 around five to six years ago. Emachines Core I3. 300.00 brand new a few years ago, Asus Laptop Core I7, 3610. 550.00 a couple years ago. Looks like I am saving money vs my first purchase at 5000.00 lol
what about using an ASUSTEK 88 FM2+ motherboard and A10-7850k 16GB DDR3 2600 RAM 3TB WD hard-drive and that CPU cooler might do a lot better than that that system your working at.
I have a i7 4790k, and the only problems i have had with it. is that i overclocked it with some unstable settings. and before this i had i Core i5 750 and i overvolted the heck out of that thing
up to 1.440 volts and it never showed any problems with handling it. so i can't see why you think that intel is so unreliable.
while the pc i built for my dad(AMD A10 5800K) has an Samsung 830 SSD and it is still as slow as a pentium 4 with a harddrive. and it is not overheating or anything.
Not sure if the higher end AM3+ platform is sluggish like the FM2 platform but if it is anything similair i'd consider boycotting AMD
If you don't mind! When 'Touching' the motherboard, after taking out of the packing, I think using a ESD band(plugged to ground earth) will be a good idea. Any Comments. Thanks.
A shame, the 1366 platform still has a huge following due to being able to pick up hex core Xeon chips for next to nothing. Sadly the motherboards are just becoming very rare. Also I'd bet in many things that bog standard i7 is as fast as the fx, not much of a upgrade at all.
darkwaterblue The faster LGA1366 CPU's were still going for more than a modern i7 last time I checked. Though the 950 that's currently installed is only worth $50-70.
The hex core versions do go for allot though. Working 1366 boards also go for a fortune on eBay. Due to their complexity as you mentioned they do not seem to last, and are obviously not made any more.
There is quite a community of us 1366 users who have moved onto the Xeon hex core chips that natively run in the 1366 boards and don't cost much. As servers reach end of life eBay gets flooded with hex core chips that drop straight into these.
Great video, tbh!
darkwaterblue 1366 is old now, and no longer made, its sad, i have a good board in a pc that my grandmother rarely used that she owned for like 6 years, i might get it out its a nice nice gigabyte board tho.
that video card have dvi? nvidia high def audio makes it seems like it has sound through it maybe? i know some video cards have sound over dvi if you convert it to hdmi.
the 1366 was the enthusiast platform. Intel designed it to be the most overclock able chip you could get at the time and the one's who bought it overclocked the bageebaz out of them. They also got PSU's in the 1000w range and just drank the watt's like there was no tomorrow...not vary power efficient at all unlike the modern cpu's are and you don't need a 1000+ watt psu. But I am wondering what on earth you do for a living..you seem to know quite a bit about systems and networking...
THREE GRAND for that shit!!!!! are you having.... a fucking.... BARNEY!
I bought an i7 940 before researching how the platform was abandoned by intel, but I got lucky and found a sapphire x58 pure black motherboard for cheap so i finished my build with a gtx 555 card and 4 gigs of ddr3, it has its quirks but i am happy with performance coming from a gigabyte ga 965p ds3, core2 duo e6600 and 4 gigs of ddr2.
Have you ever mounted the cpu cooler to your new board yet? When I mounted mine I just put a little piece of electrical tape and punched out the holes in it so it wouldn't scratch the tracers on the board. Currently I just use these small plastic washers that I picked up from the hardware store, I think I picked them up in electrical, might of been where the screws and that are in the store not sure.
Think ill stick with my Intel Q9650 and amd fx8150 for now :)
It's pronounced a-lee-us-ing, BTW.
To be honest the 8350 really isn't that much faster than the i7. They will trade blows in quite a few things.
I'm running an EVGA X58 with an i7920 & 6Gigs of ram, soon to get 8Gigs more from 2009 to present. Overclock to 3.6 with corsair H50. Haven't had a problem.
These chips still go for a lot too, at least the top end ones.
Had a similar problem with 780i board. Turns out the bios was bad.
As for the recovery bios? you can use that as much as you want.
Ya, I was just concerned about the backup getting corrupted too, if the system locked up during the recovery process. Though at that point, the board is probably not economical to fix anyhow.
Bad CPU socket, Buggers!!
Maxx ever work on any peavey professional amps? I several brands, but my peavey 1.3k pulls a ton of current and them trips the house breaker. Like, #12 wire on a 20 amp circuit!!! It buzzes like hell first then pops. How much of a short do I have? It employs the can Motorola type transistors. Did it fry a bunch of bias resistors too do u think? I know u are busy so no worries. Love your videos. Man you are almost 15,000 subs!!! WOW GOOD FOR you!! Steven
I think it is the 2 power supplies that were causing the problems. The fact that the power supply was hot when you had it open and the fact that it goes off and comes on its own tells me that the over temperature circuit is tripping. The circuit in these is designed to operate at 0-40c and shutdown when it gets hot and turn on when it gets cooler automatically. Regarding the fans were they venting air in or out? Seeing as this videos is from july I am thinking that the ambient air temp being blown into the case was enough to trip the circuit.
The fans blow out. Case temps were cool. It would often shut down from a cold boot before windows even loaded, so I doubt the power supply was too hot by then. Though some of the later shut downs could have certainly been the PSU overheating.
The 2nd power supply was brand new, and the problem persisted. The one with the faulty fan was the first one.
My bit on the Intel vs. AMD debate in the comments.
AMDs current lineup isn't strong and the high-end x86 desktop space is certainly owned by Intel (high-end starting with 6C/12T Haswell, IMO).
AMD *will not* recover from their current situation, you *will not* see another Athlon 64/K8 success and you *will not* see AMDs x86 desktop market share grow. AMD could build another brilliant core like K8 but it would never get the sales recognition it deserves in the x86 market. Intel got what they wanted, they're completely in control of the x86 market.
If you, like me, hate the idea of a future dictated by Intel, I'd support anything but Intel and, where possible, shift away from x86 entirely. Continued support of Windows on x86 will only perpetuate this very situation. I understand that some uses, like gaming, are unlikely to move away from x86 though.
People often complain about AMD as though they have a responsibility to compete. Why? Shouldn't that frustration be directed at WIntel itself? Microsoft's NT kernel was intended to be portable with .NET making apps "write once run anywhere" (just a compile away from support MIPS, Power etc.). Excellent... until Microsoft conveniently dropped support for anything but x86. That key decision in history started the chain of events that led to the current dire situation (that and the original IBM PC spec in the first place!)
Over the next few years, as we see the emergence of many innovative companies making ARM chips for servers, please really consider it. The ARM market is level playing field with both established companies and innovative startups. You've got Qualcomm, Broadcom, Marvell, Applied Micro, AMD, Calxeda, Cavium, HiSilicon etc. all working towards AArch64 for server. It's massively important that the ARM market grows if we're to ever see a challenger to Intel.
I will personally make the switch to ARM ASAP. I'm already converted to Linux, all the applications I care about are available for AArch32/64. The day I can say "good riddance" to x86 I will. For desktop/home server, the best hope today would be Opteron Axxx board availability to general consumers in 2015. It's already possible to avoid x86 for notebooks thanks to ARM Chromebook's (e.g. Exynos 5xxx, Tegra K1)
The thing I'm starting to notice, is that the desktop x86 market seems to really be fueled by gamers. Everywhere I look for benchmarks, 90% are based on game performance. And the fact that Intel is so big now, is the reason they can get away with such high prices.
I'd really love to see some more competition for Windows. Linux has its markets, but I think it would be even cooler to run Android on a desktop. There are so many apps available for it now, that it could actually become practical.
I still remember the HP servers running HP-UX on PA-RISC CPU's. My biggest machine was only 4x 200Mhz CPU's, with 1GB RAM. The entire storage array was only about 73GB. But it still ran up until the day I sold it.
Funny thing is, 1st gen i7's perform better than most today's AMD CPU's. I know plenty of people still on x58 builds.
My i7 done the same on Windows Vista. Then I reinstalled it with w7 still issues. Swapped disc to ssd and did w7 again and now it's stable as a rock. I'm guessing one of the drives are pulling it down just like mine.
I have a computer that does practically the same thing that one did, I had it running as a security camera server and it was running completely stable, I recently changed it's used to a video editing + uploading machine it was running fairly unstable until it's cleaned out the RAM slots and that has seemed to help the problem.
Maxxarcade I had a thought, you might spray some contact cleaner on the socket and to a q-tip and clean the pads on the I7 itself. There might be some oxidation of the "fingers" in the socket causing intermittent contact to the CPU pads. I have done this with AMD cpu's to fix non booting issues.
I remember when i saw the original video of that build and at the time i was using some centrino laptop. At that time I wished I had a system like that ...now I do lol ..I have the blackwidow keyboard, AMD FX 8320, radeon 7970, 16gb of RAM and an SSD as the boot drive......it only took 3+ years to catch up but darn it i got it done
Never had issues with Intel. I had alot with 3 AMD Systems of mine. I normally upgrade my PC every year but i think i will stay with the 4770k right now.
I left PC's about 7 yrs. ago and don't regret it a bit. My Apple / Mac computers rarely have any issues at all, they just work.
Secular Merica HAHA
At work we have bunch of old HP and DELL computers that are turned on 24/7 for at the very least 6 years. Probably a couple more than that. One HDD has failed, and a stick of RAM. That's it. They are both Intel and AMD machines. The reason home built systems get an early demise, I suspect, is latent ESD damage to one or more components.
Funny this, today I had an Intel core i3-540 fail. Seeing your previous video, this one and my experience, I will stay with AMD.
Good work , let me think of my old 1156 i5 750 paired with ASUS maximus iii gene , maybe rebuild into file server for home use. One big regret is i5 750 wont support my kingston hyperx low voltage 1.35V DDR3 1800mhz memory without overclocking the base clock (100mhz ).
I suspect latent ESD damage to the motherboard. Things like that can make them act very erratic, and it can take years before it starts showing. Happened to me with a RAM stick in this computer I use now.
that is something to do with the motherboard been running a i7 950 and still running with a evga ftw3 x58 motherboard with 16gb kit corsair veng.. ram and a 550 corsair power supply with a r9 270x 2gb oc and it has never turned off once
It always boots twice couse of the UEFI Gigabyte board. Mine does it 3 times after BIOS settings change :) It checks for possible overclock issues and that's what the first, short boot is for.
What happened to the i7 video? I remember it died on you but the video is gone?
Toxy It may have got deleted due to copyright reasons. I was searching for his HTPC rebuild and it seems that one too also is deleted.
Sweet! You play Garry's Mod too! How often do you play it? Also, very nice channel. It is very interesting and not boring at times like some channels that provide unnecessary info.
After seeing the issues you had with your I7 build and this one, I think I'll stick with my FX 4100 and Phenom X2 555 BE builds, I've been out right off Intel now.
Asrock X58 Extreme did this, had to switch the slots the triple ram was in, when only 3 sticks are used you have to use one particular set of slots, if the other set was used in a triple setup it would be flaky like this, only if you were used all 6 slots could the flaky slots be used. Don't remember what channels were used as I have ALL slots used now, 6 - 8 gig sticks.
I also have an X58 board that acts funny sometimes. It will lose the bios settings when you unplug it. I have replaced the bios chip, the jumper isnt set to clear settings, the only thing I havent done is check to see if the battery voltage is actually getting to the chip. I dont know the pinout. It is just a tiny little 8 pin eprom.
you can undervolt that i7 a bit and even underclock it, even underclocked it would be a big improvement over that sandy bridge Pentium, would drop the power draw a bit.
How did you get Garry's mod to work on linux it didn't work for me
+Fire15105 I got OpenGL error messages until I installed the proprietary video drivers.
are you sure the coin whine wasn't coming from the Graphics card... my friend had that annoying issue and ended up covering the chokes and coils on the gpu with caulking
Great to see you uploading more videos again!! great video!
I'm so relieved that I've not been plagued with Intel failures with the rigs I have at home.
Stick with AMD, dude!!
the drivers for my video card do the same thing with flash. Drivers crash all the time with nvidia and amd video cards and drivers
Seems to be a really common problem ever since that recovery function was implemented back when Vista came out. I'm disappointed that it still happens to this day.
i had the same problem with my gpu crashing and going into recovery mode and it seemed to be getting worse and worse.. in the end i ended up resetting the cmos which made everything better than ever
can hear the transistors in that PSU switching to buggery!!!!
oh and 1 helpful tip. when you mentioned that the psu fan wasn't spinning and the heat sinks inside were getting hot, it could be a thermal shutdown from the power supply depending on the load and temperature
I use a 780 on that board without any excelleration issues.
That was a normal boot!
update the drivers !!
when you first did a video on this build being bad a friend had the same issue and it indeed is the socket and it did burn his cpu and it really is sad and feel bad for your friend I hope that things got better with his next pc
A shame that nobody makes 1366 motherboards anymore, they are hard to find at a good price. They still make 775 motherboards.
no they dont, they stopped making 775 and 1366 over 6 years ago. lolol. i gt tired of intel swapping sockets every other year, so im going to amd cause i want some type of standard that stays the same
WRONG. Here are 4 brand new socket 775 motherboards for sale at newegg (Check other retailers as well): www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007627%20600007879
They don't make many 775 motherboards anymore but they still do make some, They don't make any 1366 new ones from what I can find.
They sell them but dont make them, trust me i deal with computers for a living and i know what im talking about when i say its outdated tech, long gone.
So do I, Computer manufacturers still manufacture them. The manufacturing date on a recent 775 new motherboard I bought was 09/14. I registered it for a warranty. It is old tech BUT there is still a demand and yes, soon they will stop being made.
I have a Q9650 for my media center and it runs everything fine including BF3 with a gtx 750ti.
Funny how an i7 950 beats an 8350 at the same clock speed
saw on the video that computer has arche age beta on it ive been playing it since launch
Loving all the content your putting out! Helps keep me sane during finals. haha
Was the graphics card sagging as bad as it looked in the video at 11:20?
The problem I have is my CPU Fan is always running at max RPM,even though it is a PWM fan,can anyone help me out?
could be a few things like having alot of dust in your heatsink also try going to bios and see what fan profiles make sure that the cpu connector is in the cpu dedicated cpu header on the mobo
+shawn beyer it is a brand new Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 and I checked the BIOS already
+Dino Đerđa also is the cpu connector in the cpu header ?
+shawn beyer Yes
+Dino Đerđa hmmn all right what mobo do you have and how old i just replaced mine for 1156 first gen i7 because the cpu header would not see the cpu coolers i have it would run 3 hrs then shut off also could not control the cpu fan speed
20:00 Yeah, surely a pain in the ass. also sure you saw comments like these coming. lol
It took all my willpower not to say stuff beyond G rating LOL.
Maxxarcade Well can always bleep it out. bleeps at the right time can be funny :D lol
Troy Foxxin I was gonna say something like "I don't need more than one hole in my ass" LOL.
Maxxarcade that be good. and im sure an "ass" wouldnt hurt. not like you sat down felt the spring go up your ass and you where like "HOLY F**** S***, YOU F****ING CHAIR!!" lol
It seems like I'm the only one here that doesn't cuss.
It's haunted! RUN AWAY!
I have an R9 290x, damn good card
NONO it is the bridge thermal paste
More videos like this plz ..
There will be, probably at least 1 or 2 more when my replacement 4790k arrives.
Ok :)
Wooo someone with a 7870 ;)
for some reason this video starts to lag badly on fullscreen....anyone else?
I encoded it at 28mbps 1080p MKV, and it was a 5.9GB file LOL. I think RUclips re-encodes it anyway though.
Maxxarcade It's encoded at 60fps but you're not recording at 60fps, soeh
***** Yup. I think you shouldn't encode as 60FPS if you really don't record in it, Maxxarcade. It runs slower for some people, and if it's not actually 60FPS, why even bother. And RUclips has no option for 1080p30/720p30 if the video is in 60FPS, which is stupid IMO.
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There was no preset in my editor for 30fps that worked with my hardware encoder. I'll see if I can make a custom profile next time.
Maxxarcade it plays at 32fps then after 15 seconds or so it start dropping frames at 70+ at a time and other windows open with a video playing will start doing it too till I close this video.
The controls are delayed also.
I tried other 1080p and even 1440p with no issues.
For some reason this video makes flash player puke.