Well. Rhe big reason why it was like that in the first game with Loki. Is because they weren't actually sure what to call the boy and they were already doing voice lines so they had judge call him boy!
@@twinzzlers if I'm not mistaken, all he did was carry her across the river to be a helpful hand while his brother can't let go of the fact that he saw a woman, but accuses his brother of being the one who can't let go of women
@@reivaldoaurelio4895i think that this is the only time in game that eh chuckles but mimir implies that he has made him chuckle in the past “oh i got a chuckle, a rare day indeed” so it does happen but very rarely
I love how more human kratos is,he calls atreus by his name,he’s makes jokes on occasion,he calls the group friends and he expresses his emotions alot more
His character has come a long way. From killing Zeus and destroying Greece, to leading a united assault on Asgard as well as killing Odin in order to save the 8 other realms and being worshipped/prayed to by mortals
This is actually a famous zen koan. I’m surprised to see it in a God of War game. Shows you how far the franchise has come, and the kind of man Kratos has evolved into to appreciate it
@@Michael-bn1oi i mean the story was yea,, and its just because its literally basing itself off of massive pantheons, they don't need to think up original ideas really.
He was never foolish to begin with, it's just that his entire life was one war after another, one tragedy after another. Now that he's finally settled down somewhat, you can see all the wisdom he's accumulated over the years start to show.
Kratos at this point feels like Mimir is his brother. love might be too strong of a word for it, but respect and appreciation one would feel towards the closest friend and brother in arms.
@@godsplayingfield you love your brother too he tutored atreus he entrusted him to ahem teach him how "woo" so ofc he sees him as brother he listens to mimir's advice so i get it
@@notnancy4579 I'm not talking about this very moment and this particular line, I'm talking about how he turned from a gloomy man into a more open one with Mimir. Sorry for the misunderstanding, English is not my native language.
Explanation: The joke is clever in 2 ways. One is that the brother who rescued the girl has moved on, while the brother who did nothing is the one who is still obsessed with the girl's beauty even though she's long gone. The other meaning is that the brother who saved the woman was the truly enlightened one, because he cared more about doing the right thing rather than focusing on self improvement.
I choose to believe Mimir saying that Kratos chuckling at one of his stories is rare means that Kratos HAS laughed at the stories before and that makes me so happy. The progression of their friendship is so good and well-done.
GOW Kratos: Quiet head GOWR Kratos: Mimir, you can tell a story, if you want Kratos and Mimir’s friendship is something I didn’t expect to develop. I guess Mimir filling the awkward distance between Kratos and Atreus was enough to make the Stoic and Serious man appreciate his wits
I am impressed to how they made Kratos from a vengeful monster with a tragic past, into a good father with a healing heart. For before, he lost everything. And now he has his son, and two good friends.
Don't forget all of freyr's homies. He likes it when lunda calls him hot. Angrobada and thrud too. He may not call them friends himself, but they are his sons friends and so they are his allies
These moments warm my heart so much. I loved when he called him brother and when he asked Brok to bless the spear and called him a great blacksmith. But my favorite moment was when he held Bear Atreus down to stop him from attacking Freya and said she was a friend, even after her trying to kill him for 3 years.
My favorite moment is when they fight off the enemies at Brok and Sindri's house after Atreus lets Garm free and after the fight Kratos asks what has happened and Atreus just comes up to him and hugs him and Kratos doesn't say a word and hugs him back. Damn Kratos evolved so much in these games
Except Sun Wukong isn't actually of mythology im pretty sure he and his story were more like very very old fantasy literature, crossing over several pantheons of gods and folklores found in Asia as complex allegory for the search of enlightenment. The great thing is it manages to also work as a very solid story with great character writing even as a very old story.
“Oh, I haven’t died that way yet! Or that… or that… are you working out some aggression or something?” Kratos would hate fighting a guy that laughs at his own decapitation and disembowlment.
Considering how many layers of immortality The monkey king has… that would either take an extremely LONG time or they’d essentially be intense sparring matches for sun’s enjoyment.
Kratos would HATE Wukong. Just being within a kilometer of him would drive him crazy. Which is exactly why Wukong would make damn sure that he’s standing right next to Kratos, just out of arms reach.
I know why this one earn Kratos a chuckle. It properly tickled his sense of discipline as a Spartan. I need to hear the joke TWICE to get it. The Laird helped the maiden and that is all. He didn't even bat an eye, and never think, or even remember the fair Lady again after that brief encounter. He left behind any thoughts or memory of her on the place where he left her. That's proof that the Laird kept his vow and discipline. The Brother on the other hand. Was smitten. Even after they left the Lady behind, the brother still kept thinking about the lady. Still carrying thoughts of her still in his mind even as they hunt. That's proof the brother's discipline was lacking. The theme is discipline. Just the sort of joke Kratos would enjoy indeed.
I'd say Kratos and Mimir have evolved a long ways from just acquaintances in the first one. A bond beyond just friends for sure. A solid brother to brother relationship no doubt. I think the years of being the only adult with a child made him appreciate having an insightful scholar around worth while, and ultimately, made their bond solidify. Mimir keeping Kratos accountable for his rage and Kratos keeping mimir accountable for any wrongs of the aesir gods has made both of them a truly honest duo for each other. Mimir holding Atreus accountable too shows what kind of Uncle he's become along the way.
Mimir is easily one of my favourite scottish voices in media. His voice just sounds the most natural to me and it doesn't sound like the typical Edinburgh accent they usually go with
Okay so let’s make a list of confirmed mythologies in the GOW franchise: Greek (expired) Japanese Egyptian Celtic Norse And now, thanks to this story, Chinese. Or more accurately Buddhism Edit: someone brought up evidence of Aztec and Persian mythology. Appreciate the heads up!
@@Dr.Meme-Man The Aztecs are seen in one of Tyr's banners in the elevator scene (GoW 2018). The Persians is more of a headcanon of mine. Remeber the djin in Ghost of Sparta? There are no djins in greek mith and the Persian King said to Kratos that his gods were weak.
I've read a similar story from a zen book. Instead of a bunch of lords it was 2 monks on a journey, then they encounter a women in distress. One of the monk helped her and then they both continued with their journey. For a while, everything seems fine, until the other monk suddenly snapped and scolded the monk who helped the women for being soiled (having impure thoughts and doing impure things). That monk then responded with the exact same words that mimir spoke.
Atreus tells Mimir he is like a second father to him before he departs. Even at the start, Kratos refers to Mimir as ”brother”, not in the sense of Mimir’s initial friendly nicknames for him and his son, but as a true brother. A confidant of his innermost thoughts and feelings. Family.
Mimir has provided them with critical knowledge of the Aesir and the Norse world, which allowed them to survive. He also provides counsel in times of great turmoil. He’s certainly earned the title of “brother”
i love their relationship in ragnarok. very nice seeing kratos become fond enough of Head as to see him as a brother. constantly seeking mimir's counsel and approval was not something i expected to see after 2018, but it is very nice to see
The instruments in the background as Mimir reveals the end of his story makes it feel majestic and legendary in a way. This is definitely more than just a game, for sure
I unfortunately heard this story after beating the game around midnight a week ago. I didn’t really get the joke because I was half awake. Glad to see it now when I’m more present
Fun fact: this is actually a Buddhist parable. It asks a question meant more to make you think than to instill a lesson. The original telling asks if it's more correct to follow the spirit of a rule or its literal meaning. The monk who carried the girl let her distract him for a moment, but the one who didn't, let the girl distract him all day. Is it better that the first one only held her in his mind for a moment or for the second one to not touch the girl at all. It's up to the reader to decide
This is very reminding of a Buddhist tale as well. A monk and a monk in training or something like that were going along a road and came across a shallow river and an old lady that was having a hard time crossing. Now these monks were forbidden to come in contact with any women. But when the old lady asked for help the monk without missing a beat helped carry her across, and set her down on the other side. The other monk was shocked that his superior would break one of the tenants and questioned him after a while. And monk replied similiar to what this guy said, that while he had only carried her across the river, he carried her still.
my dad once told me that story and "...Are you still carrying the woman?" became a household cheeky response in our family. Imagine my surprise seeing a videogame character randomly telling the same story but in another language lol
I think Kratos found this so humorous because the tale is of a similar composition to an Aesop Fable: a short, moral lesson is learned by way of an experience, similar to the Frog and the Toad, or the Fox and the Sour Grapes. These were stories of principle and consequence, with rationality buried in them, which Kratos can happily appreciate. (Also, i know it is a semi-famous Koan, but it does hold a similarly structured message as an Aesop Fable)
It's amazing to me that the kratos from the original trilogy has evolved so convincingly into this kratos from 2018 GOW to Ragnarock . Some people say the OG Kratos was a flat caractor but I don't believe that. OG Kratos was fueled by rage and self loathing. This new kratos is fueled by the love he has for Atraeus. Not duty, or fate, but love. He WILL NOT fail Atreaus like he did his wife and daughter (even though he was decieved by Ares) he will treat this boy as a treasure to be protected. Sunny Soljic is so magnificent as well. Chris judge is a veteran voice actor and he's absolutely perfect as Kratos. But Sunny had to jump into a pre existing franchise with a die hard fanbase waiting for him to for or fail. But he 3nded up becoming the heart Kratos lacked in the OG trilogy. He is the calm and reasonable side to Kratos that he has never experienced until now and it shakes him to his core. Now, finally , he has a chance at redemption (hanvent beaten Ragnarock ) I hope he gets the peace he deserves(Kratos) even. If it means his death
I think this game has the most emotionally veunerable version of Kratos, which is really interesting for his charatcter. The last game had a great character for him, but for the game he stiff felt stoick and felt more or less sure of himself, like he was a little more confident. This game is different, he looks very emotionally veunrable, so it's a really touching arc he goes through.
I like the fact that in his years of a continuous growth of trying to be a good father, his behavior towards everyone is also improving in becoming a better person in general, besides how ruthless and harsh he had been in the past
No wonder he chuckled. I mean, Kratos has loosened up quite a lot, but ancient Spartans loved to quip and use smart, witty answers when conversing. It was a part of their training as much as becoming soldiers was, being able to hold their ground and composure even in something as simple as a word battle. The laird's response to his brother is exactly the kind of response a Spartan would give and Kratos is giddy
This story originated from eastern world. This shows either Mimir had his fair share of traveling, or have had some form of contact with Eastern realms' civilization.
I want a podcast where Alastair Duncan (Mimirs va) just tells nothing but these kinds of stories in character. Mimir isn't a God of anything, but if he was, it would be the God of Stories.
They're bond throughout the games has really developed really well, from a pocket wifi to a father figure and friend of kratos, and is one of the only characters to make Kratos chuckle.
It feels like when my dad is hanging out with one of his friends and telling them a story. lol I like how sorta realistic the conversations in this game are.
For those of you who are interested, this is actually a Zen Koan from Buddhist philosophy. Pretty much exactly the same, except the men were monks originally. Search Zen koan on youtube and there is animated ted talk video tells this story and others.
I just made Kratey a ton of different armours off the salicious Lundr in her booth. I had a good laff everytime Kratos loudly said *"It Fits"* when she would upgrade his shit; you could tell he was happy about it, lol. My Dad is Greek and he comes from around where Kratos hailed from in the Peleponnese, and yes he is just as abrupt, curt and laconic as Kratos is. Zero filter on him. I had to grow up with that shit but I suppose now I'm 50 I wouldn't have the taciturn old fart any other way cos he's my Dah, and you only get one of those in the life. 👍🧿
I loved the little detail that Kratos calls everybody by their names now instead of "boy" "head" "dwarf". Really adds to his character development
He still says dwarf at one point
He also does say BOY to Atreus once.
Mans was getting the belt
@@AlyssMa7rin yeah that was the most serious BOY I’ve ever heard
@@AlyssMa7rin THE BELT OF CHAOS
Well. Rhe big reason why it was like that in the first game with Loki. Is because they weren't actually sure what to call the boy and they were already doing voice lines so they had judge call him boy!
You know the story was worth every word when Kratos chuckles
Indeed!
It's a zen parable about two monks
And i didn’t understand shit 😂
Neat part is that this a real Zen Koan
@@colossalproductionsmeme4906 Malos: “INDEEED!”
How I would pay for Mimir's voice actor to do audio books!
There are gow books that he narrates
@@ishthefish1st Bless you, Brother!
he does indeed idk if he has done this one but his rendition of gow 2018 was awesome
@@ishthefish1st Which ones, or do they all do?
@@ask4matt1996 there is one on RUclips that has his voice, though I think they all have it
It's actually a pretty funny story. His voice actor is so incredible, I think that adds to it. But it was funny chuckling with Kratos.
I didn't really get it
@@twinzzlers if I'm not mistaken, all he did was carry her across the river to be a helpful hand while his brother can't let go of the fact that he saw a woman, but accuses his brother of being the one who can't let go of women
@@sirlothric6357 Alright, that's funny
@@twinzzlers "Bro how can you still be attached to women?" "Says the simp who can't let go of seeing one"
It's a Buddhist story.
The fact that Mimir is so happy at getting a chuckle is adorable and he's my favorite character 😁
Can you even remember when Kratos had a chuckle ?
@@reivaldoaurelio4895 many many time in this game yes.
@@reivaldoaurelio4895 He had one here but immediately tries to deny it 😂
ruclips.net/video/Hj7Y7oHKii0/видео.html
@@reivaldoaurelio4895i think that this is the only time in game that eh chuckles but mimir implies that he has made him chuckle in the past “oh i got a chuckle, a rare day indeed” so it does happen but very rarely
@@reivaldoaurelio4895GOW4 after Atreus asks Kratos why his name is Atreus.
Kratos: "Chuckles"
Freya: (ˇò_ó)
Freya: Wha- What?! are we in danger?!
@@blackjam2683 Truly the end times lol.
Freya is always just ( ò_ó) in this game
@@unholycrusader69
I mean, Odin is to her what Zeus was to Kratos back in the day, shes pissed 24/7 🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣
I love how more human kratos is,he calls atreus by his name,he’s makes jokes on occasion,he calls the group friends and he expresses his emotions alot more
His character has come a long way. From killing Zeus and destroying Greece, to leading a united assault on Asgard as well as killing Odin in order to save the 8 other realms and being worshipped/prayed to by mortals
By the end he calls them family
He is anything but human brother but I'm overjoyed seeing him interacting like this
well kratos knows what happens when he gets carried away with expressing his emotions, so it makes sense why he usually prefers not to.
@@windhelmguard5295 but he's definitely more relaxed now since there's no more threat to prepare for
This is actually a famous zen koan. I’m surprised to see it in a God of War game. Shows you how far the franchise has come, and the kind of man Kratos has evolved into to appreciate it
i guess, god of war has always been pretty deep
@@tylerberman7527 No it absolutely has not lol
@@Michael-bn1oi i mean the story was yea,, and its just because its literally basing itself off of massive pantheons, they don't need to think up original ideas really.
He was never foolish to begin with, it's just that his entire life was one war after another, one tragedy after another. Now that he's finally settled down somewhat, you can see all the wisdom he's accumulated over the years start to show.
@@Michael-bn1oi literally an entire video about that
Kratos and Mimir are best friends confirmed
Don't forget about Brok, Kratos liked Brok as a brother.
No they’re brothers
Kratos at this point feels like Mimir is his brother. love might be too strong of a word for it, but respect and appreciation one would feel towards the closest friend and brother in arms.
Kratos has called Mimir brother and probably has from time to time before. They see each other as brothers. Best mates as well I suppose.
@@godsplayingfield you love your brother too he tutored atreus he entrusted him to ahem teach him how "woo" so ofc he sees him as brother he listens to mimir's advice so i get it
From “Quiet Head!” to “You can tell a story, brother.”😊 That’s what I call a real character development.
Be didt say brother wtf
@@notnancy4579not at this moment no, but he does call him brother a few times throughout the game.
@@ziohmy961 obviously but he’s implying he said if verbatim which is false
@@notnancy4579 I'm not talking about this very moment and this particular line, I'm talking about how he turned from a gloomy man into a more open one with Mimir. Sorry for the misunderstanding, English is not my native language.
Explanation: The joke is clever in 2 ways. One is that the brother who rescued the girl has moved on, while the brother who did nothing is the one who is still obsessed with the girl's beauty even though she's long gone. The other meaning is that the brother who saved the woman was the truly enlightened one, because he cared more about doing the right thing rather than focusing on self improvement.
Hilarious
Wow, thanks for pointing that out. Never would've gotten it
My guy. How is doing the right thing not focusing on self improvement?
@@UncooperativeMultiplayer not really because that's not the time frame or the scenario of how the story is told
@@ncpolley when you sacrifice your relationship with other people
I choose to believe Mimir saying that Kratos chuckling at one of his stories is rare means that Kratos HAS laughed at the stories before and that makes me so happy. The progression of their friendship is so good and well-done.
If I remember right there was one of his stories in 2018 that made Kratos snort laugh, though he immediately tried to deny it
Dragon shit is powerful?
@@liamAquino247 Ay lad, potently powerful!
@@DausBugaboo Mimir is messing with you, boy.
I was so happy to see Kratos of all people ask for a story. He’s really come a long way since calling Mimir “Head”
GOW Kratos: Quiet head
GOWR Kratos: Mimir, you can tell a story, if you want
Kratos and Mimir’s friendship is something I didn’t expect to develop. I guess Mimir filling the awkward distance between Kratos and Atreus was enough to make the Stoic and Serious man appreciate his wits
If you read Mimir’s entry on the journal you can see that Kratos not only considers him a friend but an actual “brother”
@@TheKorosachi cool
@@TheKorosachi He also calls Mimir "brother" out loud during Mimir's sidequest in Svartalfheim
Yh Mimir is the ultimate homie
He's also much more open to assisting others. Openly tells Mimir that if he needed help with some unfinished business, all he had to do was ask.
Hearing Kratos chuckle is beautiful
Kratos: “I do not laugh.”
Mimir: “Bet.”
Kratos: I do not like riddles.
Also Kratos: ...I liked that riddle.
I am impressed to how they made Kratos from a vengeful monster with a tragic past, into a good father with a healing heart. For before, he lost everything. And now he has his son, and two good friends.
He actually got more friends I'd say
@@Makareno94
Hell, I think he Thor and Freyr could very well become buddies.
Don't forget all of freyr's homies. He likes it when lunda calls him hot. Angrobada and thrud too. He may not call them friends himself, but they are his sons friends and so they are his allies
@@maxvitor7023 Yeah... Damn you Odin.
2.75 good friends, if you count Brok before he dies.
These moments warm my heart so much. I loved when he called him brother and when he asked Brok to bless the spear and called him a great blacksmith. But my favorite moment was when he held Bear Atreus down to stop him from attacking Freya and said she was a friend, even after her trying to kill him for 3 years.
My favorite moment is when they fight off the enemies at Brok and Sindri's house after Atreus lets Garm free and after the fight Kratos asks what has happened and Atreus just comes up to him and hugs him and Kratos doesn't say a word and hugs him back. Damn Kratos evolved so much in these games
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FUN FACT: Mimir's voice actor also voices Celebrimbor from LoR Shadow of War and Shadow of Mordor
And Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
@@evantambolang3052 neat
No fucking way
He need a body of Nanomachines too.
Now imagine Kratos holding up Mimir while he shouts: "Suffer me now!"
This could very well be a true story. I swear I heard this somewhere before
buddhism tale, i think
@@ragibmahfuz5241 Yeah, one of the zen koans. I think TED-Ed did a video on them once.
@@ragibmahfuz5241 whats the name of the buddist tale, i think mimir is telling scottish story because he said "laird" ( owner of a estate)
@@peter-bu5tz its probably a buddhist tale but told in a norse setting
@@traceyjacobsen8544 By a Scottish man.
Mad respect for Santa Monica for making Mimir say "Autumn" instead of "Fall" considering he's from Scotland
So many words for "brother she lives rent free in your head"
me picturing kratos fighting sun wukong. that will go down as one of the best things to witness in history of gaming
Except Sun Wukong isn't actually of mythology im pretty sure he and his story were more like very very old fantasy literature, crossing over several pantheons of gods and folklores found in Asia as complex allegory for the search of enlightenment. The great thing is it manages to also work as a very solid story with great character writing even as a very old story.
“Oh, I haven’t died that way yet! Or that… or that… are you working out some aggression or something?”
Kratos would hate fighting a guy that laughs at his own decapitation and disembowlment.
@@kennethsatria6607 He is technically part of Buddism, where you would find Buddism you would find the story of a mischievous monkey.
Considering how many layers of immortality The monkey king has… that would either take an extremely LONG time or they’d essentially be intense sparring matches for sun’s enjoyment.
Kratos would HATE Wukong. Just being within a kilometer of him would drive him crazy. Which is exactly why Wukong would make damn sure that he’s standing right next to Kratos, just out of arms reach.
It's so peaceful to hear him chuckling.
I know why this one earn Kratos a chuckle. It properly tickled his sense of discipline as a Spartan.
I need to hear the joke TWICE to get it. The Laird helped the maiden and that is all. He didn't even bat an eye, and never think, or even remember the fair Lady again after that brief encounter. He left behind any thoughts or memory of her on the place where he left her. That's proof that the Laird kept his vow and discipline. The Brother on the other hand. Was smitten. Even after they left the Lady behind, the brother still kept thinking about the lady. Still carrying thoughts of her still in his mind even as they hunt. That's proof the brother's discipline was lacking.
The theme is discipline. Just the sort of joke Kratos would enjoy indeed.
I'm glad to hear him laugh after a long time 1:56🙂😊😁
I'd say Kratos and Mimir have evolved a long ways from just acquaintances in the first one. A bond beyond just friends for sure. A solid brother to brother relationship no doubt. I think the years of being the only adult with a child made him appreciate having an insightful scholar around worth while, and ultimately, made their bond solidify. Mimir keeping Kratos accountable for his rage and Kratos keeping mimir accountable for any wrongs of the aesir gods has made both of them a truly honest duo for each other. Mimir holding Atreus accountable too shows what kind of Uncle he's become along the way.
Atreus said Mimir a second dad to him .
I got a little teary-eyed I don’t know why but I just loved hearing that chuckle of camaraderie and amusement!
Mimir is easily one of my favourite scottish voices in media. His voice just sounds the most natural to me and it doesn't sound like the typical Edinburgh accent they usually go with
He’s voiced by the same guy as Senator Armstrong, which will never not blow my mind.
@@fissilewhistle "Bifrost, son! It hardens in response to physical trauma!"
@@fissilewhistle excuse me
Story from the Buddhist tradition, if I’m not mistaken. Still good to see in the game.
I love Krato and Mimir's relationship, you can tell how much they respect and appreciate each other.
I have watched Kratos smiled, chuckled and cried. My heart is so full. I love his character development 🥹
Kratos chuckle is like Guts smiling in peace during the Elf Island arc. How far they came.
Only ones left is Asura and Doomslayer.
Get jerked
@@ryujisusapphire9511 Watch the DLC.
The only two people that made Kratos chuckle are Mimir (a hearty chuckle) and Angrboda (a proud chuckle)
Freya be like :- I'm an illusion, I don't exist 😂
i swear i cant fathom the sheer difference between 'NANOMACHINES SON' and 'ooh i got a chuckle!'. homie so damn talented
I love this character transformation. Kratos changes from a killer to a human gradually in all these small details.
- got Kratos to call him beother
- got him to ask for a story himself
- got him to chuckle at said story
- found a riddle kratos liked
This game won't be complete without mimir.. He's my favorite character 🤠🤠
Oooooohh Kratos asking for a story is so wholesome!!!! That's so cool. It's always great to see how much he grew and keeps growing.
Okay so let’s make a list of confirmed mythologies in the GOW franchise:
Greek (expired)
Japanese
Egyptian
Celtic
Norse
And now, thanks to this story, Chinese. Or more accurately Buddhism
Edit: someone brought up evidence of Aztec and Persian mythology. Appreciate the heads up!
Aztec and Persian too.
@@raxypalamank elaborate. I haven’t seen any proof of it quite yet
@@Dr.Meme-Man The Aztecs are seen in one of Tyr's banners in the elevator scene (GoW 2018). The Persians is more of a headcanon of mine. Remeber the djin in Ghost of Sparta? There are no djins in greek mith and the Persian King said to Kratos that his gods were weak.
Wait whats the proof for the Japanese
@@bigman9341 Same banner plus the panel in Odins secret library. One of the war simbols is from japanese miths (dont know the name of it)
I’m just happy freya is cool with Kratos again and even considers herself a part of her chosen family
I just love how excited Mimir gets over the prospect of making Kratos laugh even if it's just a chuckle
I love how Kratos kindly ask Mimir to tell a story
"I don't think I've ever heard you laugh before... I don't think I like it!"
- Harley Quinn
I've read a similar story from a zen book. Instead of a bunch of lords it was 2 monks on a journey, then they encounter a women in distress. One of the monk helped her and then they both continued with their journey. For a while, everything seems fine, until the other monk suddenly snapped and scolded the monk who helped the women for being soiled (having impure thoughts and doing impure things). That monk then responded with the exact same words that mimir spoke.
Yes! There is even a video on TED Talks (?) about Zen stories like these!
Atreus tells Mimir he is like a second father to him before he departs. Even at the start, Kratos refers to Mimir as ”brother”, not in the sense of Mimir’s initial friendly nicknames for him and his son, but as a true brother. A confidant of his innermost thoughts and feelings. Family.
Mimir has provided them with critical knowledge of the Aesir and the Norse world, which allowed them to survive. He also provides counsel in times of great turmoil. He’s certainly earned the title of “brother”
i love their relationship in ragnarok. very nice seeing kratos become fond enough of Head as to see him as a brother. constantly seeking mimir's counsel and approval was not something i expected to see after 2018, but it is very nice to see
I vaguely remember this story from convents, where Buddhist monks substituted the place of the brothers. That was... enlightening.
Kratos went from HEAD to MIRMIR
The instruments in the background as Mimir reveals the end of his story makes it feel majestic and legendary in a way. This is definitely more than just a game, for sure
I unfortunately heard this story after beating the game around midnight a week ago. I didn’t really get the joke because I was half awake. Glad to see it now when I’m more present
This video’s beginning is clear proof that Kratos enjoys Mimir’s stories
Fun fact: this is actually a Buddhist parable. It asks a question meant more to make you think than to instill a lesson. The original telling asks if it's more correct to follow the spirit of a rule or its literal meaning. The monk who carried the girl let her distract him for a moment, but the one who didn't, let the girl distract him all day. Is it better that the first one only held her in his mind for a moment or for the second one to not touch the girl at all. It's up to the reader to decide
Kratos character has developed so many ways. If they make another game i expect to see kratos possibly proud of his son.
This is very reminding of a Buddhist tale as well.
A monk and a monk in training or something like that were going along a road and came across a shallow river and an old lady that was having a hard time crossing. Now these monks were forbidden to come in contact with any women.
But when the old lady asked for help the monk without missing a beat helped carry her across, and set her down on the other side. The other monk was shocked that his superior would break one of the tenants and questioned him after a while. And monk replied similiar to what this guy said, that while he had only carried her across the river, he carried her still.
"Brother," the laird smiled. "''Tis not yet November."
longest chuckle i've heard from Kratos
my dad once told me that story and "...Are you still carrying the woman?" became a household cheeky response in our family. Imagine my surprise seeing a videogame character randomly telling the same story but in another language lol
Mimir referencing Kratos' appearance in mortal kombat 9 is one of my favourites
I think Kratos found this so humorous because the tale is of a similar composition to an Aesop Fable: a short, moral lesson is learned by way of an experience, similar to the Frog and the Toad, or the Fox and the Sour Grapes. These were stories of principle and consequence, with rationality buried in them, which Kratos can happily appreciate.
(Also, i know it is a semi-famous Koan, but it does hold a similarly structured message as an Aesop Fable)
It's amazing to me that the kratos from the original trilogy has evolved so convincingly into this kratos from 2018 GOW to Ragnarock . Some people say the OG Kratos was a flat caractor but I don't believe that.
OG Kratos was fueled by rage and self loathing. This new kratos is fueled by the love he has for Atraeus. Not duty, or fate, but love. He WILL NOT fail Atreaus like he did his wife and daughter (even though he was decieved by Ares) he will treat this boy as a treasure to be protected.
Sunny Soljic is so magnificent as well. Chris judge is a veteran voice actor and he's absolutely perfect as Kratos. But Sunny had to jump into a pre existing franchise with a die hard fanbase waiting for him to for or fail. But he 3nded up becoming the heart Kratos lacked in the OG trilogy. He is the calm and reasonable side to Kratos that he has never experienced until now and it shakes him to his core. Now, finally , he has a chance at redemption (hanvent beaten Ragnarock ) I hope he gets the peace he deserves(Kratos) even. If it means his death
Being a Spartan, Kratos most likely relates to this story on a spiritual level. Hence why he laughed at it.
I think this game has the most emotionally veunerable version of Kratos, which is really interesting for his charatcter. The last game had a great character for him, but for the game he stiff felt stoick and felt more or less sure of himself, like he was a little more confident. This game is different, he looks very emotionally veunrable, so it's a really touching arc he goes through.
Just to let everyone know, that Mimir also voiced Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising. Found that facts on Facebook last night
I like the fact that in his years of a continuous growth of trying to be a good father, his behavior towards everyone is also improving in becoming a better person in general, besides how ruthless and harsh he had been in the past
No wonder he chuckled. I mean, Kratos has loosened up quite a lot, but ancient Spartans loved to quip and use smart, witty answers when conversing. It was a part of their training as much as becoming soldiers was, being able to hold their ground and composure even in something as simple as a word battle. The laird's response to his brother is exactly the kind of response a Spartan would give and Kratos is giddy
Correct. 500 points for griffindor
I also love Kratos liking mimir's lion riddle
uh uh we can't have a moment of calm and reflection in a game, we need the epic quirky jokey chuckleeroo from the manly character
This story originated from eastern world. This shows either Mimir had his fair share of traveling, or have had some form of contact with Eastern realms' civilization.
This is an actual story out there. Perfect pick for one that'd interest Kratos as the ending is equal parts play on words and stoic statement of fact.
i love how happy mimir sounded at his achievement :)
saying brother like mimir has been natural for me lately
I want a podcast where Alastair Duncan (Mimirs va) just tells nothing but these kinds of stories in character. Mimir isn't a God of anything, but if he was, it would be the God of Stories.
Hearing him chuckle is way too satisfying
Did . . . did Mimir just recite his own version of the Zen koan about the two monks at the river?
It’s a good story when you hear an imposing warrior like Kratos chuckle. 😁 It makes you like it, too!
You know its Rare indeed when kratos Chuckles for the first time in Years
imagine if we got Mimir narrating a Midsummer Night's Dream by william Shakespeare, that would be golden.
I smiled because I knew this story, but I smiled even wider because Mimir's retelling is so much better.
They're bond throughout the games has really developed really well, from a pocket wifi to a father figure and friend of kratos, and is one of the only characters to make Kratos chuckle.
It feels like when my dad is hanging out with one of his friends and telling them a story. lol
I like how sorta realistic the conversations in this game are.
Mimir as a DM would be really awesome
The Ancient Greeks often enjoyed stories like this, with small lessons. Seems Kratos is more Hellenic than he pretends to have moved on from.
Wow and that was an actual chuckle he gave him like 4 cackles😂💯
My favourite zen koan told expertly by the smartest undead head? This games a treat.
I love how giddy mimir is when he chuckled
He finally embraced his inner Knuckles the Echidna
It took 17 years, 5 main games & a bunch of spins-offs, but we finally got a chuckle out of Kratos.
Took me till my second play through to realise this is just the story of the 2 zen monks with extra details put in.
Best character development ever
Kratos: *chuckles*
Freya: "What is that weird thing you're doing? You're freaking me out!"
My gods kratos actually chuckled and here I thought his like in the first 6 games stomped that out of him
Mimir really did become part of the family
For those of you who are interested, this is actually a Zen Koan from Buddhist philosophy. Pretty much exactly the same, except the men were monks originally. Search Zen koan on youtube and there is animated ted talk video tells this story and others.
Honestly, that was probably one of the greatest clapbacks I've ever heard.
This single moment was more satisfying to me than so many full games lol.
His friendship with Mimir (and to a lesser extent Brok) was really nice to see 😀
seeing Kratos change from the time he was in Greece? I think homie just needed to move away from there to get his peace XD
I just made Kratey a ton of different armours off the salicious Lundr in her booth. I had a good laff everytime Kratos loudly said *"It Fits"* when she would upgrade his shit; you could tell he was happy about it, lol. My Dad is Greek and he comes from around where Kratos hailed from in the Peleponnese, and yes he is just as abrupt, curt and laconic as Kratos is. Zero filter on him. I had to grow up with that shit but I suppose now I'm 50 I wouldn't have the taciturn old fart any other way cos he's my Dah, and you only get one of those in the life. 👍🧿