Never bring sf up he was a wild card each super bowl that mean he won 6 road games against Hof QB and beat Tom Brady twice how many ppl who ever lived got 2 sb MVPs
Because he played in the same era as Brees, Rodgers, Brady, his brother. All transformative QBs. And that's fine. No one is calling him the same as those QBs. (He still has more rings than Rodgers and Brees;) )
Because he played for a long time. Do you realize he has fewer passing yards per game than Derek Carr? Less than Jameis Winston and Kirk Cousins? Eli does NOT belong in the Hall.
Eli is top 10 in yards and TDs. But, when you calculate yards/attempt and TD% (TDs per 100 attempts), he falls to 70th and 91th all time mostly tied with or lower than a bunch of guys that no one in their right minds would consider for the HoF. Just because he had the opportunity to throw a lot, does not mean he was good.
Yes, although most times his opinion is wrong. You don't judge a player's career against other HOF QBs that played in a different era. You compare his career with others in his era. Eli was NEVER a top 5 QB at any point in his career. So he shouldn't get in.
@J Barker that’s not true man. After a Eli won his second Super Bowl, the talking heads on ESPN were saying he was “elite” and a “top 5 QB”. I remember it like yesterday because it was a very memorable time of my life. I was on cloud 9 when the giants got that win in 2012.
greeney was right these guys always downplaying eli, hes a 2x champ he's in the top 10 for alltime passing yards its people that are in the hall of fame who arent in that number for sure.
Eli is the greatest average qb ever. His numbers are a result of him not missing games. Greeney tried to base his argument off of qbs whose place in the HOF is questionable as well. There's is no debate about whether or not he'll get in, cause he will, but he's average at best. "He has a saggy tent with high tent poles" perfectly explains his career
@@lucasmartinez5703 His durability is the sole reason for his career stats. What accomplishments? He's never won regular season MVP, he's led the league 3x in ints, his 2 SB MVPs one shoulda went to the dline and everybody knows if the qb has an average game he's a shoe in for MVP, top all that off with a touch of he's a Manning. His longevity is his outstanding accomplishment, and the reason for his numbers. He's not the best qb of his era, if you go through all the qbs drafted between 2004 and 2019 Eli isn't even the top 10 qb. Like I said he will get in, but the HOF should be reserved for the best of the best, not best of the average. The fact that this conversation is taking place at all, says it all. This doesnt happen with Brady, Brees, or Rogers. Two of which he has more rings, and one he beat twice in the SB.
simon howell regular season MVP means nothing. Just ask Matt Ryan if he’d rather have a super bowl win. The whole point of playing is to win the Championship. 2 rings. Top 7 in most stats. There’s no debate. He’s in. The debate is basically started by the haters of whoever is being debated. That’s all
@@mrminividz Isn't Flacco in the AFC the same conference as Brady? How can 2 AFC teams go to SB together? Did Flacco also defeat Brady when he was undefeated?
Ahmad Ridley Maybe Foxworth is salty because he never stood out as a player. Maybe he’s projecting his disrespect towards Eli because he himself is jealous of all the attention and accomplishments Eli had earned in the league, in which Foxworth had never came within a fraction of that. Those Ravens defenses that he played on, I could name more than several players who stood out the most before I come to his name. He was a decent player as a cornerback, but he was never a guy that most QB’s feared going against like an Ed Reed or Jimmy Smith. He was just an average, complimentary player. A JAG ( Just A Guy). Eli may not have been a great QB, but he has more than accomplished enough in the league that commands respect. For average players like those current ESPN mouthpieces Ryan Clark and Domonique Foxworth to go on the air and voice their usual disrespect towards Eli, only reflects not only jealousy, but the unhappiness and dissatisfaction of how their playing careers had turned out compared to Eli.
Eli has 100 more TDs in his career than Foxworth has just tackles, he played defense for over 5 years on 3 different teams. Man has 3 digit more touchdowns than the career tackles you have accumulated. lol gtfoh
@@richardwalker6004 neither one of those guys have a sb MVP or made "thee" defining play to win those sb stop hating on Eli he's going in the hof simple
@@richardwalker6004 Eli Manning - 2 Superbowl rings and the 2 best plays in the SB era. 10th all-time in passing. Dilfer and Williams - 1 Superbowl ring There is no comparison.
@Anthony 2b channel 15 williams didn't carry them to the sb the way eli did especially in that sf game where he was sacked 8x and hit another 13x and still made the play of the game to win it
Coming from a lifelong Giants fan I can tell you watching Eli play was the biggest rollercoaster experience I've ever had in sports. Some days you wanted to scream at Eli for what he would do with his ball security or you would go nuts from seeing his casual expressionless face after a horrible pick but I'm telling you that man was either the greatest poker face of all time or just a machine, he would throw a pick six on the previous drive, be completely unfazed by it, and then the following drive he would straight up not miss a single throw and march down the field for a GW. The dude was clutch when it really mattered and it felt like as the season would get longer he would just get stronger and more accurate, not to mention he did it all in the toughest place to make it, the biggest city in the US with the most criticism over anything, I mean the NY/NJ media are like sharks with blood in the water, they will eat you alive if they find anything that could make you look bad. He was never cocky and always a humble guy, the perfect player as a coach to have and always ready to play, no matter what injury was nagging him. And for the people that say he got lucky for his first Superbowl because of the "helmet catch"... Okay, so then he got lucky winning the SB in 2011 for being 'carried' by his 25th ranked defense and 32nd ranked rush offense, right? Not because he was top 5 in passing that year, right? Luck nets you not one but two Superbowl MVPs, right? And he must have got lucky too for not missing a single start to injury in his 16 year NFL career? That's why he passed in the top 10 for many of the major stats, right? Luck gets you all those passing accomplishments? Luck helped him throw all those yards and TDs right? Eli is a HOFer. You can debate if he's a good QB or a great QB but either way he's getting into the Hall because you can't tell the story of the biggest moments in NFL history without talking about Eli numerous times. Also sorry for the rant, just think it's silly how we need to debate a 2 time Superbowl MVP on whether or not he deserves to go into the Hall when there are guys in the Hall for far less. If anything we should either rewrite the standards for the Hall or create a separate Hall of Fame for Hall of famers but I mean either way I think it's ridiculous that we even need to have this conversation haha
Absolutely Eli should be in the HOF. Two (2) Super Bowl championships. Two (2) Super Bowl MVP's. 7th all-time in yards and touchdowns. People want to bang on him about the INT's (244). Funny... Nobody hardly ever bangs on Favre (336) who made the HOF in 2016. Manning won more SB's, SB MVP's, and won more clutch games than Favre, but nobody balked when Favre made it in. Eli Manning = 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.
I'm not a New York Giants fan, but, if you were to ask me, personally "In your opinion, does Eli Manning deserve to be in the Pro Football Hall-Of-Fame?", I would say "Yes.". On the top of that, he should also have his #10 retired & go into the New York Giants "Ring Of Honor", in my opinion.
A dude that’s career highlights are him getting cooked at corner he sure does talk like he was good. I wonder what his assessment of himself as a player would be 🤔
@@romancortes4376 Why were either throws important? Because the defense was holding the Patriots to 23 and 15 points below their season average. If even an average Brady shows up, both SBs are blowouts.
Eli being 7th all time in yards and tds, as well as him being 6th in completions and being the franchise leader of every stat possible for the biggest market team in the NFL should be enough for HOF in the latter voting. Add two superbowl mvps, and two of the greatest underdog postseason runs in the history of the league to that and you really have to have some kind of really messed up incident (I.E baseball type steroid use proven tests) to keep him off first ballot imho.
Dominique is such a Giants hater. Go back and watch any past shows about the Giants and him and you will see for yourself how he’s always talking negative about the Giants. Someone please get this dude out of these talks, he’s irrelevant. Never even heard of him until he started commentating in these shows and they happened to show his name underneath. Show some respect to Eli and thank you Greeny for defending Eli.
Not just QBs. I have a list of players who shouldn't be in the HOF( including some who are from my team the Steelers). Don't get me wrong, they're very good players, but this isn't the hall of very good.
@@willsmooth1355 top 10 in basically every category including comeback wins, owns basically every qb record for a franchise. second longest consecutive games streak for a qb. never missed a game to injury. beat the nfl franchise of the last 2 decades twice. went through green bay teams led by two hof qbs in the playoffs. do i need to go on?
Wait help me understand something. If Eli and Plunketts stats are similar, then how come Eli’s career passing yards are 57,000 yards and Plunketts career passing yards are 26,000. How come Eli’s career passing touchdowns are 366 and Plunketts is 164. Makes no sense and ESPN is so stupid I can’t watch it anymore because of statements like this.
Dominique Foxworth: at no point in his career career was Eli that guy Eli in 2011: 61% comp, 4933yds, 29TDs 8 of 9 regular season wins were from behind in the 4th quarter. Sacked 6 times in the NFC championship game and still came back to win that game to eventually have a comeback drive in the SB OVER Brady and the Patriots AGAIN to be named MVP.... AGAIN
The bar that was set matters. Joe freaking Namath is in the Hall. So is John Elway, who is probably the most overrated QB in NFL history (just check his numbers). Eli deserves to be in. It's an open and shut case, and anyone who denies it is just a hater or isn't looking at the facts.
@nick hover He was a mobile QB coming out of college and had a strong arm. Best prospect in decades but Marino was better. Marino in this era would have had the records.
@nick hover Marino and Elway were on course to be HOFers without ever winning a SB. Elway was passed his prime when his teams won back to back SBs in the late 90s and they won because of a great defense and powerful running game in the form of Terrell Davis. Elway was slightly better than a game manager during those winning SB runs.
If you watched than NFC championship game against San Francisco in the rain and mud, then you know unequivocally that Eli Manning is the toughest sob to ever play QB.
People make some ridiculous arguments to say Eli isn't worthy. "He had a good career w moments but he was never THAT guy" There's 32 starting QBs every season and at least 25 are not that guy. Was Marino that guy? Because he spent his career with better offensive weapons and an equal defense except for maybe 3 seasons when the Giants were super studs on defense.. And how many SB rings does Dan have... How many MVPs... Eli played in the Brady Era. The GOAT Quarterback Era and came away w 2 rings and 2 MVPs. Did any of those other stud QBs beat Montana in his 4 times? Eli outplayed Favre, Brady, Rodgers etc... These "experts" need to stop pretending Eli was just some guy in a jersey.
Turtleneck over there is a hater, the only reason people even have to think twice is because of who his brother is. Eli Manning has done more than enough for the game and for New York. Two super bowl, top 10 in both passing yards and touchdown, never had an amazing offensive line (I mean collectively, I know he had a few good players not whole lines), never one stud running back (I know about Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Barber), and he was also an iron man of the game. No matter how much he got hurt on Sunday you knew for a fact that #10 would show up to work on Monday. He is the definition of what it means to be a New York Football Giant, his grit and determination exemplifies what it means to be a New Yorker.Lived up to the standard of being the number one overall pick and the Manning name. If he isn’t in the Hall of Fame then the voters need to rethink the standards for the Hall, we’ll see you on stage at Canton with you bust #10
MG is right. Look at the Eagles teams Andy Reid put together. Look at the Cowboy teams since the 90s. The Giants have only ever had a D Line and no standout skill position players, in their superbowl runs, except maybe Cruz? And he couldnt last. Steve Smith never panned out anywhere, Nicks never panned out anywhere else. Plaxico was on the way out anyway even though that was their best WR. They never gave him any weapons and they pretty much had 3 RBs everytime and phenom D line play. They never had outstanding LB play or DB play just solid enough.
ELI's escape from being sacked itself would count as being "the man". Not to mention his durability in th San Fran title game. Point being with an subjective intangible such as being "the man" you can point to anything.
@@Reel___ and a 4th quarter drive in New England. All games between Eli and Brady were decided by 4 points or less. I'll concede the Tyree catch to luck, though I don't think there was any other option at that point in the game and the throw was accurate, but it didn't win the game. The game winning td was a perfectly placed ball to Plax. You know... Cause the defense gave up the lead late and Eli had to bale them out. Manningham was a correct read and great play. If you claim luck to that play, I don't agree.
No he is not a Hall of Fame QB. He was mediocre for the most part with a few great moments. Will he get in? Probably so like on the 3rd ballot even though I don't think he deserves it.
Ok then lets start omitting other hof qbs that dont deseve it either. I like some minimizes the playoffs wins like it's just a few months. No it playing against the best of the best compared to playing alot of bad to avg teams in the regular season. Playoffs hold alot more weight than the regular season
Foxworth as usual sounds silly with his arguments. To compare Eli with Plunkett is ridiculous because Plunkett was written off and joined a Raiders team loaded defensively and Marcus Allen. Plunkett never sniffed the MVP in those Super Bowls. To say Eli was never the guy is to say Brees or Wilson or any other dude during the Brady era isn’t the guy. But yet he beat all of those “guys” when it mattered most. So I guess that means that Favre was never the guy while Peyton was playing...
Favre has the most interceptions in NFL history with 336. Also, 6 out of the top 10 QBs in career interceptions are in the hall of Fame, and 9 out of the top 16 (10 if you count Drew Brees, who will be in the Hall)
@@crewkid52 yeah I know this but it seems like this so called expert never mentioned that when talking about those other QBs but when they talk about Eli it's one of the first things the mention.
He's had a good career for the most part winning 2 sb mvps is something only 4 other people have done in the entire history of the league anyone saying he isn't a hof must be a hater
All I'm saying is how many QB got 2 Superbowl MVPS and beat Tom Brady twice WITH 6r oad playoffs victory against HOF QBs I'm just saying please let me know
@Intellectual One I was being sarcastic because your argument was weak and lazy. You cant have one good year and be in the top 10 in yards and tds. Eli is a hall of famer and is better than some who are in presently. Men lie women lie but numbers dont. Eli is the only qb to win 4 games in a post season TWICE. Eli has the 2nd most road playoff victory. Eli is top 10 in 4th quarter comebacks. Eli is a 4 time pro bowler. Eli is one of 5 qbs in history to have multiple Supe MVPs. I can't take a casual fan seriously when they say that Eli only had one good season. Ya haters are gonna be pissed once Eli wears that yellow jacket and I cant wait.😂😂😂😂
When you mention the Patriots dynasty then u gotta bring Eli thats enough to be hall of fame worthy. Cause the Patriots dominated football for 20 + years
I have been a Giant fan since before these pundits were born. When Eli was drafted by the Giants, the roster sucked. Quite frankly, during Eli's entire career, the Giant roster has been average, at best. There are easily 10 teams playing today, that have much better rosters than Eli ever had to work with, yet he carried the team to 2 super bowl wins. That is an amazing accomplishment that few, if any other QBs ever achieve. The criticism of Eli is misplaced. Before this season started, ALL of these 'geniuses' put Cleveland in the competition to reach the super bowl. Talk was heard everywhere, Baker Mayfield is a record breaking QB. I will take anyone's bet, that Baker Mayfield NEVER, NEVER reaches the achievements of Eli Manning. We live in a very short term focused world. Not good.
Everyone gets to play in the regular season, big F'ing deal. To separate yourself as a great it has to be measured by what you do with opportunities to be great. Eli turned his opportunities to be great into Super Bowl Rings, Tony Romo crapped the bed.
Eli deserves to be in for sure. He did what no one else did beat the Patriots in the superbowl not once but two times and it wasn't just the superbowl but the playoff runs and the opponents he beat. If Joe Namath is in the hall of fame then Eli better be in too.
Intellectual One How many of those leaders started in 2010+, the league is inflating YPG, Passer Rating, CMP% etc, if he hadn’t played in ‘04-‘09 his stats would look better compared to Cousins & Ryan who both have better stats than Brady.
@Intellectual One you seem to want to discount some stats passing yards etc because of the number of games but want to keep the other stats like int and sacks. If Eli has more yards because he played in more games wouldn't he also have more sacks and int because he played in more games. So discount one stat but keep the other way to be consistant.
Im a cowboys fan and I admit Eli Manning deserves to be in the hall of fame!!!! Don’t understand why the hate on Eli he proved to be a good if not a great QB for the giants. Even though I hated that he beat my cowboys in that first sb run he did the impossible and beat the undefeated patriots. Much respect for Eli he will one day be in canton!
Greeny went IN. Never gets old. I’ll also add that only two QBs (Kurt Warner 2009, Eli Manning 2011 have led the last ranked rushing attack to the super bowl. Only one QB has won with the last rushing attack, that’s Eli Manning. To this day Eli still owns the record for yards in a super bowl run which he did on the road. I get it his play wasn’t always polarizing but these facts have to stand for something.
Everybody likes to talk about Aaron Rodgers and the "clutch gene". So what is a Hall Of Fame QB? It's not all just about record and and stats. In 2011, Aaron Rodgers had all of the stats. The Packers went 15-1 and had a first-round bye, meanwhile Eli and the Giants were 9-7 and luckily won their division with that record. In the playoffs, when it matter, Eli Manning and the Giants went into Lambeau Field and absolutely crushed the Packers 37-20. Crushed them by 17 points. The Giants and Eli would go on to win their second Super Bowl in 4 years. That's what a HoF QB does. Show up when it matters. People like to talk about Aaron Rodgers, well what about Mathew Stafford? Stafford has also always been a stat-sheet master. It manifested in 3 playoff berths and zero playoff wins. Would you place Stafford over Eli in the HoF conversation just because of Stafford's statistical efficiency in the regular season? Of course not.
at no point eli was the "guy" in the league? i think winning 2 superbowls automatically makes you the guy my guy...also something they didnt talk about. eli was called the comeback king one year when he had 6 or 7 comebacks to win the game in the regular season, that was his "guy" moment season. so.....
Does Eli belong in the HOF? To truly answer that question one must look beyond his regular season record. I can't think of another NFL team lead by a QB entering the playoffs on the road to victory more than Eli led NYG's. Where's the tailor?
He beat some of the best teams in the NFL on both superbowl runs and out played a couple of the best QBs in the game when doing it. Stop disrespecting this man.
Regular season he wasn't good, which is why he only made it like three times. He made the most once he got there, sure, but you can't just look at the best part of a QBs game and then say that's who this QB is, you need to look at the entire picture
ray da man They go off of stats vs their contemporaries. Considering the amount of rule changes in the NFL for receivers and DBs during that time. Namath and Eli also played 30 years apart. He's not a lock, if he goes in it'll be 30-50 years before he does
Jim Plunkett similar stats? At least do your research before throwing out a claim. He was 70th all time in passing yards versus Manning who is 7th, 75th in passing TDs versus Manning who is 7th. That’s not even in the same galaxy
Brett Favre also won 3 straight MVP's and finished his career #1 in passing yards, touchdowns and regular season wins. Also he started the most consecutive games in NFL history with 297. Also Favre made the playoffs 12 out of 19 seasons while Eli only made it 6 out of 16 seasons. Eli had a .500 record in the regular season with a 117-117 record.
They always get people with short careers and didn’t make an impact to the game to talk about people who are doing good. Granted Eli wasn’t the greatest but his career was wayyyyyy better than Woody and Foxworths combined
Eli is a HOF based on regular season passing yards and played for just one team. He won more SBs than any of his divisional rivals during his career with two and all others one(Nick Foles w/PHI)
Passing yards is such a jank stat. Phillip Rivers is 6th all time. Matt Ryan and Vinny Testaverde are top 15. Kerry Collins is top 20. Eli is not a HOF quarterback just because he backed into 2 Super Bowls. I’m an Eagles fan, but I don’t think Nick Foles deserves to be in the Hall of Fame just because he won a ring. Eli was literally one of the worst quarterbacks in the league for nearly 10 years and we’re supposed to just forget about that??
@@noahtetreault3859 oh Did Nick Foles play for the whole season. Didn't he just come in for the last 2 games? Did he follow up with another SB ring. At any time did Foles have to bring his team back. Didn't the Eaglas have a first round bye which the team had because Wentz got them there. Eli had to go through road wins. Your comparison is ridiculous.
Good morning everyone And once again here are individuals counting out an discrediting Mr. Eli manning on his NFL Career he is and will be in the hall of fame he has two superbowl championships aswell as an MVP Of one of them damien woody is just a hater bias because he is a Former Patriot's player that's all it is Mr. Eli manning
There are a lot of QB’s in the Pro Football HOF that didn’t have gaudy stats (the ones that come to mind are Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, and Troy Aikman.) so, I disagree 100 percent with Foxworth’s assessment on Eli Manning (plus I never liked so that adds to it.) He’s probably won’t be a first-ballot HOFer (like his brother, Tom Brady, Brees or Rodgers) but he’ll get into the HOF. And for those who complain about Eli's stats aren't anything special, he's currently seventh all-time in both passing touchdowns (366) and passing yards (57023) and that's more than Johnny Unitas, John Elway, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly in both categories.
Hall of Famer he was best quarterback for the giants 2 big highs? eagles took life time to get 1 ring eli got 2 never missed a game and stop down playing him as superbowl talent and even with terrible team for years 60% or higher completion rate no matter who was with him
I love you Greeny. It’s like the want to strip every accomplishment Eli has, break him down, and then sit there and say that he’s not a Hall of Famer. Like how ignorant do you have to be to find such idiotic reasons, to find any way possible to discredit a mans career and what he’s done. Pathetic
Let's not overcomplicate this. Here are Eli's stats: - 7th All-Time in passing yards - 7th All-Time in passing TDs - Higher career Passer Rating than many Hall of Fame QBs, including: Roger Staubach, Len Dawson, Sonny Jurgensen, Johnny Unitas, Bob Griese, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Bart Start, Ken Stabler, Y.A. Tittle, Fran Tarkenton and John Elway. - 2x Superbowl Champion - One of only five players in NFL history to be a 2x Superbowl MVP.
Why do you have to be the best at you position at some point to be a HOF? Was Barry Sanders always the best RB? Emmitt would dispute that. Eli's stats, moments and titles put him in. It's ridiculous to say well if he didn't or whatever.
Bradshaw was miles better than Eli, he was a vocal leader, he called his own plays and could become a playmaker when necessary. Put some respect on his name. Back then, the NFL didn't open up the passing game like it has today. Defenses were allowed to kill any player in motion. Bradshaw is the architect of 4 super bowls he lead, a dynasty & he was steel tough on the field of play. Bradshaw was tough, physical & hard to bring down and he could knock defenders over when he ran. Pipe down Bradshaw is one of the die hard legends. The Steeler dynasty was better than the Patriots in terms of brutality & instilling fear into opponents. QBs like Eli, Peyton & Brady are playing in the NFL's most protected era. Contrast that, with Bradshaw who played QB in the NFL's most violent & dangerous era and it ain't close. Had Eli played with no O-line in Bradshaw's era well you'd visit his tombstone. The bad old '70's is when football became the top sport in America thanks to QBs like Bradshaw.
Jim Plunkett similar stats with 25,000 yards passing to 198 tds to Eli Mannng 57,000 yards passing, 350 + tds not quite similar stats goofball this is what they have on Espn guys who know noting about journalism !!!
I agree with Greeny on this one...Eli is always undersold when you look at his complete body of work...Dominique, he does not have to be"the guy" as you described...You mentioned Joe Namath as possibly one of the guys that shouldn't be there but remember, Joe "Willy" Namath was "the guy" when he played...
I don't know how ESPN hires these commentators... Orlovsky (dumb as a box of rocks *cough* 0-16) Woody (biased ex pat) and fox (who cannot slooooow down his indoor voice)
He has over 50,000 passing yards and 366 passing TDs. Every other QB with those types of stats is in the HOF. Now add 2x Super Bowl MVP and 2 Super Bowl rings, Eli is a shoo in. Friggin' Jim Kelly got voted in his first year of eligibility.
he didn't deserve mvp his defense did but cant give a hole defense mvp so they gave it to him lets not act like he played awesome and lit the score board on fire in those super bowls
@@jalenblack7202 it wasn't the defense who escaped that sack and threw the game winning ball. It wasn't the defense who played San Fran title game. The defense holds the other team but you still need to score. And against Bellicheck's defense. Besides once a team's defense falls behind and the offense has to come in and score to win you kind of have to throw that explanation out.
If Joe Nameth can be in the HoF with a losing record and more interceptions than TD passes, then Eli can be in there with a even record, 2 Super Bowl MVP awards, and his long tenure with one team (among other attributes).
2011 Eli Manning threw for nearly 5000 yards, beat Aaron Rodgers on the road in the playoffs, beat Tom Brady again in the Super Bowl. Winning a second Super Bowl, MVP. If nobody said he was one of the best quarterbacks in football at the end of 2011, they weren’t paying attention.
The two Super Bowls have to get Eli in eventually. But it should take a while Joe Namath got in on one SB win and pretty much the bravado of "guaranteeing" it. He went in as a polarizing figure, not solely based on his statistical body of work. Next topic!!
That game against SF in NFC championship was legendary.
Yeah honestly that game was amazing and underrated
Eli was legendary!
Eli is a legend. Haters gonna hate.
Not as legendary as the One in Green Bay in January 08 that went to OT.
Never bring sf up he was a wild card each super bowl that mean he won 6 road games against Hof QB and beat Tom Brady twice how many ppl who ever lived got 2 sb MVPs
He threw 57k yards and 366 touchdowns people tryna act like hes trent dilfer
he is
@@jukemjamie5878 How is that?
Because he played in the same era as Brees, Rodgers, Brady, his brother. All transformative QBs. And that's fine. No one is calling him the same as those QBs. (He still has more rings than Rodgers and Brees;) )
Because he played for a long time. Do you realize he has fewer passing yards per game than Derek Carr? Less than Jameis Winston and Kirk Cousins? Eli does NOT belong in the Hall.
Eli is top 10 in yards and TDs. But, when you calculate yards/attempt and TD% (TDs per 100 attempts), he falls to 70th and 91th all time mostly tied with or lower than a bunch of guys that no one in their right minds would consider for the HoF. Just because he had the opportunity to throw a lot, does not mean he was good.
I love when Greeny has a strong opinion. One of the best hosts on TV. God bless you.
Yes
I concur
Yes, although most times his opinion is wrong. You don't judge a player's career against other HOF QBs that played in a different era. You compare his career with others in his era. Eli was NEVER a top 5 QB at any point in his career. So he shouldn't get in.
@J Barker that’s not true man. After a Eli won his second Super Bowl, the talking heads on ESPN were saying he was “elite” and a “top 5 QB”. I remember it like yesterday because it was a very memorable time of my life. I was on cloud 9 when the giants got that win in 2012.
@@jbaker..3337 ur a joke. You just called an opinion wrong like its a fact. Stop talking about football no ones values ur opinion
greeney was right these guys always downplaying eli, hes a 2x champ he's in the top 10 for alltime passing yards its people that are in the hall of fame who arent in that number for sure.
Eli is the greatest average qb ever. His numbers are a result of him not missing games. Greeney tried to base his argument off of qbs whose place in the HOF is questionable as well. There's is no debate about whether or not he'll get in, cause he will, but he's average at best.
"He has a saggy tent with high tent poles" perfectly explains his career
Ronald Kregar yup it’s all about the post season
Average quarterbacks don't have the accomplishments, durability, and wealth of stats that Eli has accumulated in 16 years. I don't agree.
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His durability is the sole reason for his career stats. What accomplishments? He's never won regular season MVP, he's led the league 3x in ints, his 2 SB MVPs one shoulda went to the dline and everybody knows if the qb has an average game he's a shoe in for MVP, top all that off with a touch of he's a Manning. His longevity is his outstanding accomplishment, and the reason for his numbers. He's not the best qb of his era, if you go through all the qbs drafted between 2004 and 2019 Eli isn't even the top 10 qb. Like I said he will get in, but the HOF should be reserved for the best of the best, not best of the average.
The fact that this conversation is taking place at all, says it all. This doesnt happen with Brady, Brees, or Rogers. Two of which he has more rings, and one he beat twice in the SB.
simon howell regular season MVP means nothing. Just ask Matt Ryan if he’d rather have a super bowl win. The whole point of playing is to win the Championship. 2 rings. Top 7 in most stats. There’s no debate. He’s in. The debate is basically started by the haters of whoever is being debated. That’s all
Eli Manning is a hall of famer just on the fact that he stopped Tom Brady from getting 2 more super bowl rings
i was thinking the same thing!
so Joe Flacco is a hofer too
@@mrminividz Isn't Flacco in the AFC the same conference as Brady? How can 2 AFC teams go to SB together? Did Flacco also defeat Brady when he was undefeated?
So nick foles a HOF??
Imagine if Brady had won 9 super bowls or even 10! The entire era would be known as the weakest, most uncompetitive era in NFL football.
Greeny just bodied Foxworth. Every point Foxworth made, Greeny had a counterpoint and valid ones at that.
Ahmad Ridley Maybe Foxworth is salty because he never stood out as a player. Maybe he’s projecting his disrespect towards Eli because he himself is jealous of all the attention and accomplishments Eli had earned in the league, in which Foxworth had never came within a fraction of that. Those Ravens defenses that he played on, I could name more than several players who stood out the most before I come to his name. He was a decent player as a cornerback, but he was never a guy that most QB’s feared going against like an Ed Reed or Jimmy Smith. He was just an average, complimentary player. A JAG ( Just A Guy). Eli may not have been a great QB, but he has more than accomplished enough in the league that commands respect. For average players like those current ESPN mouthpieces Ryan Clark and Domonique Foxworth to go on the air and voice their usual disrespect towards Eli, only reflects not only jealousy, but the unhappiness and dissatisfaction of how their playing careers had turned out compared to Eli.
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@@dh7175 almost every person I've heard who said he isn't a hall of Famer hasn't had a hall of fame resume themselves.
Eli has 100 more TDs in his career than Foxworth has just tackles, he played defense for over 5 years on 3 different teams. Man has 3 digit more touchdowns than the career tackles you have accumulated. lol gtfoh
@@ahmadridley Shannon Sharpe? Deion Sanders? Kurt Warner? Those guys dont think hes hall of fame worthy either
Thank you!!!! Dudes act like Eli won 2 chips and did nothing else
Yep, and if a guy won 2 chips for my team and did nothing else I would worship him. Championships are what matter, get him in the hall.
panner11 2 chips doesn't just mean hall
What else did he do ? 1 playoff run in his last 8 years
That's literally what he did tho lol. And some pro bowls
@@user-zy3xq8xu4l 4 pro bowls threw for 57k yards 336 touchdowns and 7 seasons over 4k yards
Foxworth got owned. You tell em Greeney.
No he didn’t greeney was emotional
Yea Greeney just got emotional
What’s the point of winning regular season games if you can’t win when it matters the most
P K Beciase not everyone is gonna win the SB. If your are seriously basing success off of solely super bowl rings you need to get out
@@jay_1212doung williams and trent dilfer should be in the hall then if eli is gona make it..
@@richardwalker6004 neither one of those guys have a sb MVP or made "thee" defining play to win those sb stop hating on Eli he's going in the hof simple
@@richardwalker6004 Eli Manning - 2 Superbowl rings and the 2 best plays in the SB era. 10th all-time in passing.
Dilfer and Williams - 1 Superbowl ring
There is no comparison.
@Anthony 2b channel 15 williams didn't carry them to the sb the way eli did especially in that sf game where he was sacked 8x and hit another 13x and still made the play of the game to win it
Coming from a lifelong Giants fan I can tell you watching Eli play was the biggest rollercoaster experience I've ever had in sports. Some days you wanted to scream at Eli for what he would do with his ball security or you would go nuts from seeing his casual expressionless face after a horrible pick but I'm telling you that man was either the greatest poker face of all time or just a machine, he would throw a pick six on the previous drive, be completely unfazed by it, and then the following drive he would straight up not miss a single throw and march down the field for a GW.
The dude was clutch when it really mattered and it felt like as the season would get longer he would just get stronger and more accurate, not to mention he did it all in the toughest place to make it, the biggest city in the US with the most criticism over anything, I mean the NY/NJ media are like sharks with blood in the water, they will eat you alive if they find anything that could make you look bad. He was never cocky and always a humble guy, the perfect player as a coach to have and always ready to play, no matter what injury was nagging him.
And for the people that say he got lucky for his first Superbowl because of the "helmet catch"...
Okay, so then he got lucky winning the SB in 2011 for being 'carried' by his 25th ranked defense and 32nd ranked rush offense, right? Not because he was top 5 in passing that year, right? Luck nets you not one but two Superbowl MVPs, right?
And he must have got lucky too for not missing a single start to injury in his 16 year NFL career? That's why he passed in the top 10 for many of the major stats, right? Luck gets you all those passing accomplishments? Luck helped him throw all those yards and TDs right?
Eli is a HOFer.
You can debate if he's a good QB or a great QB but either way he's getting into the Hall because you can't tell the story of the biggest moments in NFL history without talking about Eli numerous times.
Also sorry for the rant, just think it's silly how we need to debate a 2 time Superbowl MVP on whether or not he deserves to go into the Hall when there are guys in the Hall for far less. If anything we should either rewrite the standards for the Hall or create a separate Hall of Fame for Hall of famers but I mean either way I think it's ridiculous that we even need to have this conversation haha
Nick Spagnola I love how you went in depth with it . Eli a hof and I’m patriot fan .
fully agree people always bring up lucky sb or int as only reason he didnt belong there but he has more positive records then negative in my opinion
Eli is a hall of fame level qb and he showed it when the Giants didn't suck.
Absolutely Eli should be in the HOF. Two (2) Super Bowl championships. Two (2) Super Bowl MVP's. 7th all-time in yards and touchdowns. People want to bang on him about the INT's (244). Funny... Nobody hardly ever bangs on Favre (336) who made the HOF in 2016. Manning won more SB's, SB MVP's, and won more clutch games than Favre, but nobody balked when Favre made it in. Eli Manning = 1st Ballot Hall of Famer.
Greeney is 100% correct! Case and point Kurt Warner the guy Eli replaced in NY is in the Hall people.
Warner is overrated.
Talent wise ? He's an Ironman Superbowl winning QB that was stuck on a sub par team for years. Hall of Fame .. absolutely
ELI HALL OF FAMER POINT BLANK PERIOD MOVE ON!!
I disagree
agreed!
Greeny is too neurotic and nervous on Air.
It is an absolute *JOKE* that people think he is a HOF player
I disagree. I love Eli, but if he wasn't a manning there would be no conversation
Foxworth is a pure hater..🤣🤣
LA 99 did he lie on him to lie ?
I'm not a New York Giants fan, but, if you were to ask me, personally "In your opinion, does Eli Manning deserve to be in the Pro Football Hall-Of-Fame?", I would say "Yes.".
On the top of that, he should also have his #10 retired & go into the New York Giants "Ring Of Honor", in my opinion.
As of today, your last two points are taken care of. Haha.
Eli gets in the HoF and all the haters can cry in their pillow...
Lol. There's a bunch here that are trying to convince themselves why Eli shouldn't be in the hof. It's comical for sure.
Facts
@@willsmooth1355 😂😂
He isnt a HOFer at all. Its a complete joke.
@@integrity101 too bad... there have been players who have gone in for a lot less... get a clue
A dude that’s career highlights are him getting cooked at corner he sure does talk like he was good. I wonder what his assessment of himself as a player would be 🤔
Mike Jones that’s how you know what he said was true because you didn’t say anything about what he said but you tried to play him lol
Jkap Pakj he literally contradicted himself. He said Eli is not on the level of HOF QBs, than he went on to say he is better than some QBs in the HOF
if you can beat brady in the super bowl twice you a HOF to me no question
That would be the Giants dline
@@arthasmenethil4297 What's the name of the member of the d-line who made the game-diciding throws in both Superbowls?? 🤔🤭
So if Nick Foles beats brady again hes a hall of famer.
I agree 100%. Too bad, they didn't win because of Eli. They could have won with just about any QB in the league, but not without that defense.
@@romancortes4376 Why were either throws important? Because the defense was holding the Patriots to 23 and 15 points below their season average. If even an average Brady shows up, both SBs are blowouts.
Eli being 7th all time in yards and tds, as well as him being 6th in completions and being the franchise leader of every stat possible for the biggest market team in the NFL should be enough for HOF in the latter voting. Add two superbowl mvps, and two of the greatest underdog postseason runs in the history of the league to that and you really have to have some kind of really messed up incident (I.E baseball type steroid use proven tests) to keep him off first ballot imho.
Why is foxworth still on tv?
What did he do friend???
@@thomasackerly2410 he has horrible takes and he takes things to personal.
@@Reel___ I guess that his trait
Dominique is such a Giants hater. Go back and watch any past shows about the Giants and him and you will see for yourself how he’s always talking negative about the Giants. Someone please get this dude out of these talks, he’s irrelevant. Never even heard of him until he started commentating in these shows and they happened to show his name underneath. Show some respect to Eli and thank you Greeny for defending Eli.
Joe Namath has a losing win loss record with ONE super bowl and he's in there.
Foxworth just mad cause he was never nearly as good as Eli
The Colts were favored by 17.5.
@@MrNaturalSez and eli faced an undefeated team with a wild card teams....so whats your point????
Foxworth needs to do more research. Plunkett has more interceptions than touchdowns. His stats are nowhere near Eli's lol.
The game was also a lot tougher back then
"He was never the best QB in his era" if that was true there would be dozens of QBs that now must be removed from the HOF.
Not just QBs. I have a list of players who shouldn't be in the HOF( including some who are from my team the Steelers). Don't get me wrong, they're very good players, but this isn't the hall of very good.
Someone just push Domonique back please.. Thanks Greeny
Eli deserves the HOF solely on that legendary SB game vs the undefeated patriots. Eli was a different animal during the playoffs.
He needed that 2011 season to get into the hof. Eli is a lock.
It's a career based achievement not a game one.
@@804arob2 Um who said it's a game?? Eli had 2 incredible playoff runs. Not just the SuperBowls.
@@willsmooth1355 top 10 in basically every category including comeback wins, owns basically every qb record for a franchise. second longest consecutive games streak for a qb. never missed a game to injury. beat the nfl franchise of the last 2 decades twice. went through green bay teams led by two hof qbs in the playoffs. do i need to go on?
@@atrikillershark nope no need since we agree that Eli is a lock😉😀😉😉
Wait help me understand something. If Eli and Plunketts stats are similar, then how come Eli’s career passing yards are 57,000 yards and Plunketts career passing yards are 26,000. How come Eli’s career passing touchdowns are 366 and Plunketts is 164. Makes no sense and ESPN is so stupid I can’t watch it anymore because of statements like this.
HOF. Yes. Nice to see him go out with 2 superbowls and the New York crowd standing and cheering for him. Enjoy retirement.
Dominique Foxworth: at no point in his career career was Eli that guy
Eli in 2011: 61% comp, 4933yds, 29TDs 8 of 9 regular season wins were from behind in the 4th quarter. Sacked 6 times in the NFC championship game and still came back to win that game to eventually have a comeback drive in the SB OVER Brady and the Patriots AGAIN to be named MVP.... AGAIN
The bar that was set matters. Joe freaking Namath is in the Hall. So is John Elway, who is probably the most overrated QB in NFL history (just check his numbers). Eli deserves to be in. It's an open and shut case, and anyone who denies it is just a hater or isn't looking at the facts.
Different era for Elway and Namath. If these guys played in today's game, they'd be throwing for 70K yards and 500 TDs!!
I agree! Elway'
s numbers are horrible! Not very many people are aware of this.
@nick hover He was a mobile QB coming out of college and had a strong arm. Best prospect in decades but Marino was better. Marino in this era would have had the records.
@nick hover No "terrible roster" males it to the Superbowl. That doesn't make sense. With those stats, he's NOT a top 5 QB
@nick hover Marino and Elway were on course to be HOFers without ever winning a SB. Elway was passed his prime when his teams won back to back SBs in the late 90s and they won because of a great defense and powerful running game in the form of Terrell Davis. Elway was slightly better than a game manager during those winning SB runs.
If you watched than NFC championship game against San Francisco in the rain and mud, then you know unequivocally that Eli Manning is the toughest sob to ever play QB.
People make some ridiculous arguments to say Eli isn't worthy. "He had a good career w moments but he was never THAT guy" There's 32 starting QBs every season and at least 25 are not that guy. Was Marino that guy? Because he spent his career with better offensive weapons and an equal defense except for maybe 3 seasons when the Giants were super studs on defense.. And how many SB rings does Dan have... How many MVPs... Eli played in the Brady Era. The GOAT Quarterback Era and came away w 2 rings and 2 MVPs. Did any of those other stud QBs beat Montana in his 4 times? Eli outplayed Favre, Brady, Rodgers etc... These "experts" need to stop pretending Eli was just some guy in a jersey.
Turtleneck over there is a hater, the only reason people even have to think twice is because of who his brother is. Eli Manning has done more than enough for the game and for New York. Two super bowl, top 10 in both passing yards and touchdown, never had an amazing offensive line (I mean collectively, I know he had a few good players not whole lines), never one stud running back (I know about Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Barber), and he was also an iron man of the game. No matter how much he got hurt on Sunday you knew for a fact that #10 would show up to work on Monday. He is the definition of what it means to be a New York Football Giant, his grit and determination exemplifies what it means to be a New Yorker.Lived up to the standard of being the number one overall pick and the Manning name. If he isn’t in the Hall of Fame then the voters need to rethink the standards for the Hall, we’ll see you on stage at Canton with you bust #10
MG is right. Look at the Eagles teams Andy Reid put together. Look at the Cowboy teams since the 90s. The Giants have only ever had a D Line and no standout skill position players, in their superbowl runs, except maybe Cruz? And he couldnt last. Steve Smith never panned out anywhere, Nicks never panned out anywhere else. Plaxico was on the way out anyway even though that was their best WR. They never gave him any weapons and they pretty much had 3 RBs everytime and phenom D line play. They never had outstanding LB play or DB play just solid enough.
If you only put in “the guy” then only 10 people would be in there.
exactly
Graham, Unitas, Montana, Manning & Brady were really the only QBs I can think of that were considered the best consistently.
ELI's escape from being sacked itself would count as being "the man". Not to mention his durability in th San Fran title game. Point being with an subjective intangible such as being "the man" you can point to anything.
Don’t ever come after Eli Manning. He gave me 2 Super Bowls. Enough said.
Dominique is warped 🤣🤣🤣
I can’t stand him.... he’s (to me) just another reason not to watch ESPN.
His head sure is
He is a hater with limited credibility.
"The Patriots Slayer" enough said
two lucky passes in two games, outside of that his career is trash
@@Reel___ and a 4th quarter drive in New England. All games between Eli and Brady were decided by 4 points or less. I'll concede the Tyree catch to luck, though I don't think there was any other option at that point in the game and the throw was accurate, but it didn't win the game. The game winning td was a perfectly placed ball to Plax. You know... Cause the defense gave up the lead late and Eli had to bale them out.
Manningham was a correct read and great play. If you claim luck to that play, I don't agree.
For 2 games
@@homemalone244 agreed, but those 2 games were some pretty big games.
No he is not a Hall of Fame QB. He was mediocre for the most part with a few great moments. Will he get in? Probably so like on the 3rd ballot even though I don't think he deserves it.
Ok then lets start omitting other hof qbs that dont deseve it either. I like some minimizes the playoffs wins like it's just a few months. No it playing against the best of the best compared to playing alot of bad to avg teams in the regular season. Playoffs hold alot more weight than the regular season
Foxworth as usual sounds silly with his arguments. To compare Eli with Plunkett is ridiculous because Plunkett was written off and joined a Raiders team loaded defensively and Marcus Allen. Plunkett never sniffed the MVP in those Super Bowls. To say Eli was never the guy is to say Brees or Wilson or any other dude during the Brady era isn’t the guy. But yet he beat all of those “guys” when it mattered most. So I guess that means that Favre was never the guy while Peyton was playing...
Oh like Farve didn't also lead the interceptions 3 times too.
Favre has the most interceptions in NFL history with 336. Also, 6 out of the top 10 QBs in career interceptions are in the hall of Fame, and 9 out of the top 16 (10 if you count Drew Brees, who will be in the Hall)
@@crewkid52 yeah I know this but it seems like this so called expert never mentioned that when talking about those other QBs but when they talk about Eli it's one of the first things the mention.
Brees also throw over 20 ints in a season TWICE
He's had a good career for the most part winning 2 sb mvps is something only 4 other people have done in the entire history of the league anyone saying he isn't a hof must be a hater
Woody is a hater.
@Intellectual One Then you and Woody need to omit a good amount of qbs that are in the hof right now. Hater sounds about right.
@Intellectual One George blanda
@Intellectual One Eli is better than joe namath, terry Bradshaw, Warren Moon and Bobby Brister to name a few.
@@kylemcdaniel4699 George Blanda is a good one as well. That dude clearly is a Eli hater.
Eli Manning's highs are as about as high as it gets as an NFL QB. If Dan Fouts is in the HOF then come on man...
All I'm saying is how many QB got 2 Superbowl MVPS and beat Tom Brady twice WITH 6r oad playoffs victory against HOF QBs I'm just saying please let me know
YES HE IS A HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACK 2-0 AGAINST TOM BRADY ENOUGH SAID
2-0 against overrated Belichick
What about the defense. That's why they won. The front four
@Intellectual One Then we need to omit other hof qbs who are in that didn't have a better career than Eli.
@@willsmooth1355 We absolutely should. Joe Namath for example, should be kicked out in an instant. Dude was trash lol
@Intellectual One I was being sarcastic because your argument was weak and lazy. You cant have one good year and be in the top 10 in yards and tds. Eli is a hall of famer and is better than some who are in presently. Men lie women lie but numbers dont. Eli is the only qb to win 4 games in a post season TWICE. Eli has the 2nd most road playoff victory. Eli is top 10 in 4th quarter comebacks. Eli is a 4 time pro bowler. Eli is one of 5 qbs in history to have multiple Supe MVPs. I can't take a casual fan seriously when they say that Eli only had one good season. Ya haters are gonna be pissed once Eli wears that yellow jacket and I cant wait.😂😂😂😂
When you mention the Patriots dynasty then u gotta bring Eli thats enough to be hall of fame worthy. Cause the Patriots dominated football for 20 + years
If it was up to Woody and Dom the only QBs that would be in the HoF rn are Graham, Unitas and Montana. They’re too strict on the criteria.
If Eli isn't a Hall of Fame QB then start taking people out of the Hall starting w Joe Namath.
Add Terry Bradshaw, Warren Moon, and Troy Aikman as well.
I have been a Giant fan since before these pundits were born. When Eli was drafted by the Giants, the roster sucked. Quite frankly, during Eli's entire career, the Giant roster has been average, at best. There are easily 10 teams playing today, that have much better rosters than Eli ever had to work with, yet he carried the team to 2 super bowl wins. That is an amazing accomplishment that few, if any other QBs ever achieve. The criticism of Eli is misplaced. Before this season started, ALL of these 'geniuses' put Cleveland in the competition to reach the super bowl. Talk was heard everywhere, Baker Mayfield is a record breaking QB. I will take anyone's bet, that Baker Mayfield NEVER, NEVER reaches the achievements of Eli Manning. We live in a very short term focused world. Not good.
Everyone gets to play in the regular season, big F'ing deal. To separate yourself as a great it has to be measured by what you do with opportunities to be great. Eli turned his opportunities to be great into Super Bowl Rings, Tony Romo crapped the bed.
Eli deserves to be in for sure. He did what no one else did beat the Patriots in the superbowl not once but two times and it wasn't just the superbowl but the playoff runs and the opponents he beat. If Joe Namath is in the hall of fame then Eli better be in too.
Greeny put these guys in their place. Top 10 stats and suddenly he isn't HOF.. Gtfo
not even top 10 he's top 7!! 7th in both yards and TDs with 2 rings vs Tom and the Pats and he's not a HOFer?? GTFO is right
Intellectual One
How many of those leaders started in 2010+, the league is inflating YPG, Passer Rating, CMP% etc, if he hadn’t played in ‘04-‘09 his stats would look better compared to Cousins & Ryan who both have better stats than Brady.
@Intellectual One you seem to want to discount some stats passing yards etc because of the number of games but want to keep the other stats like int and sacks. If Eli has more yards because he played in more games wouldn't he also have more sacks and int because he played in more games. So discount one stat but keep the other way to be consistant.
Im a cowboys fan and I admit Eli Manning deserves to be in the hall of fame!!!! Don’t understand why the hate on Eli he proved to be a good if not a great QB for the giants. Even though I hated that he beat my cowboys in that first sb run he did the impossible and beat the undefeated patriots. Much respect for Eli he will one day be in canton!
Eli is SEVENTH all-time in passing TDs, completions AND yards. If you don't get in the HOF just based on that alone, then the HOF is BS.
Terry Bradshaw doesn't deserve to be in the HOF? GTFOH
Greeny went IN. Never gets old. I’ll also add that only two QBs (Kurt Warner 2009, Eli Manning 2011 have led the last ranked rushing attack to the super bowl. Only one QB has won with the last rushing attack, that’s Eli Manning. To this day Eli still owns the record for yards in a super bowl run which he did on the road. I get it his play wasn’t always polarizing but these facts have to stand for something.
Thank you Greeny; awesome points
.500 QB.
Only won playoff games in 2 years out 15.
Ran his team into the ground due to being overpaid.
Geno Smith's backup.
Lol and with all of that he's still going to the Hof. Ya going to be really angry when he wears that yellow jacket. Can't wait😭😭😭😳😂😂😂😭
Greeny doing what greeny does 😤
Everybody likes to talk about Aaron Rodgers and the "clutch gene". So what is a Hall Of Fame QB? It's not all just about record and and stats. In 2011, Aaron Rodgers had all of the stats. The Packers went 15-1 and had a first-round bye, meanwhile Eli and the Giants were 9-7 and luckily won their division with that record. In the playoffs, when it matter, Eli Manning and the Giants went into Lambeau Field and absolutely crushed the Packers 37-20. Crushed them by 17 points. The Giants and Eli would go on to win their second Super Bowl in 4 years. That's what a HoF QB does. Show up when it matters. People like to talk about Aaron Rodgers, well what about Mathew Stafford? Stafford has also always been a stat-sheet master. It manifested in 3 playoff berths and zero playoff wins. Would you place Stafford over Eli in the HoF conversation just because of Stafford's statistical efficiency in the regular season? Of course not.
at no point eli was the "guy" in the league? i think winning 2 superbowls automatically makes you the guy my guy...also something they didnt talk about.
eli was called the comeback king one year when he had 6 or 7 comebacks to win the game in the regular season, that was his "guy" moment season. so.....
Winning 2 Super Bowls against "THE GUY" in the league no less. That...that kinda DOES make you "the guy."
Greeny spoke facts. Eli had a better career than most of the QBs in the HoF.
Ex athletes not even close to HOF status making arguments against Eli... Lol OK.
Does Eli belong in the HOF? To truly answer that question one must look beyond his regular season record.
I can't think of another NFL team lead by a QB entering the playoffs on the road to victory more than Eli led NYG's.
Where's the tailor?
Lol, you can't just do that though, dude
He beat some of the best teams in the NFL on both superbowl runs and out played a couple of the best QBs in the game when doing it. Stop disrespecting this man.
@@WillAyeAmNot Why not!!??!!
@@UrbanSipfly Lmao, because, the regular season matters, bro. You can't make the postseason if you don't do well in the regular season
Regular season he wasn't good, which is why he only made it like three times. He made the most once he got there, sure, but you can't just look at the best part of a QBs game and then say that's who this QB is, you need to look at the entire picture
Look at Joe Namath's stats and Eli Manning's stats....if Namath is a Hall of Famer, so is Eli Manning
Exwctly what i said. Namath should not be in there. Worst stats ever
@Intellectual One they do it in every sport. Way it goes.
@Intellectual One all it is is stats bro. Come on. Top ten in this. Number one in that. Its always stats. Lmao.
@Intellectual One two super bowls. Marino none. Way it is. But eli is gonna be in. So
ray da man They go off of stats vs their contemporaries. Considering the amount of rule changes in the NFL for receivers and DBs during that time. Namath and Eli also played 30 years apart. He's not a lock, if he goes in it'll be 30-50 years before he does
Jim Plunkett similar stats? At least do your research before throwing out a claim. He was 70th all time in passing yards versus Manning who is 7th, 75th in passing TDs versus Manning who is 7th. That’s not even in the same galaxy
Dont you think the passing game has changed drastically in 40 years?
“He led the league in interceptions 3 times.” So did Brett favre...
Brett Favre also won 3 straight MVP's and finished his career #1 in passing yards, touchdowns and regular season wins. Also he started the most consecutive games in NFL history with 297. Also Favre made the playoffs 12 out of 19 seasons while Eli only made it 6 out of 16 seasons. Eli had a .500 record in the regular season with a 117-117 record.
They always get people with short careers and didn’t make an impact to the game to talk about people who are doing good. Granted Eli wasn’t the greatest but his career was wayyyyyy better than Woody and Foxworths combined
It’s a good thing Dominique isn’t a HOF voter
Plunkett should've gone in along time ago
Raider , Flores too, politics of NFL, its not their fault Crypt Keeper fought the league
All time great QB? No. Hall of Fame QB? Absolutely Yes.
Correct assessment on Eli.
Eli is a no brainer hofmer
Eli is a HOF based on regular season passing yards and played for just one team. He won more SBs than any of his divisional rivals during his career with two and all others one(Nick Foles w/PHI)
7 th all time passing yards enough said
Passing yards is such a jank stat. Phillip Rivers is 6th all time. Matt Ryan and Vinny Testaverde are top 15. Kerry Collins is top 20. Eli is not a HOF quarterback just because he backed into 2 Super Bowls. I’m an Eagles fan, but I don’t think Nick Foles deserves to be in the Hall of Fame just because he won a ring. Eli was literally one of the worst quarterbacks in the league for nearly 10 years and we’re supposed to just forget about that??
@@noahtetreault3859 The Giants has one of the worst o-lines in the NFL for nearly 10 years. It looks like to want to "just forget about that".
@@noahtetreault3859 it sounds like jealousy to me the man has more Super Bowls than the whole Eagles franchise existence
Noah Tetreault to me it’s a no brainer Eli is 7 th in both yards and touchdowns and has won it all twice
@@noahtetreault3859 oh Did Nick Foles play for the whole season. Didn't he just come in for the last 2 games? Did he follow up with another SB ring. At any time did Foles have to bring his team back. Didn't the Eaglas have a first round bye which the team had because Wentz got them there. Eli had to go through road wins. Your comparison is ridiculous.
Good morning everyone And once again here are individuals counting out an discrediting Mr. Eli manning on his NFL Career he is and will be in the hall of fame he has two superbowl championships aswell as an MVP Of one of them damien woody is just a hater bias because he is a Former Patriot's player that's all it is Mr. Eli manning
There are a lot of QB’s in the Pro Football HOF that didn’t have gaudy stats (the ones that come to mind are Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, and Troy Aikman.) so, I disagree 100 percent with Foxworth’s assessment on Eli Manning (plus I never liked so that adds to it.) He’s probably won’t be a first-ballot HOFer (like his brother, Tom Brady, Brees or Rodgers) but he’ll get into the HOF. And for those who complain about Eli's stats aren't anything special, he's currently seventh all-time in both passing touchdowns (366) and passing yards (57023) and that's more than Johnny Unitas, John Elway, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly in both categories.
Thank you Greeny...well said man!
Hall of Famer he was best quarterback for the giants 2 big highs? eagles took life time to get 1 ring eli got 2 never missed a game and stop down playing him as superbowl talent and even with terrible team for years 60% or higher completion rate no matter who was with him
I love you Greeny. It’s like the want to strip every accomplishment Eli has, break him down, and then sit there and say that he’s not a Hall of Famer. Like how ignorant do you have to be to find such idiotic reasons, to find any way possible to discredit a mans career and what he’s done. Pathetic
Let's not overcomplicate this. Here are Eli's stats:
- 7th All-Time in passing yards
- 7th All-Time in passing TDs
- Higher career Passer Rating than many Hall of Fame QBs, including: Roger Staubach, Len Dawson, Sonny Jurgensen, Johnny Unitas, Bob Griese, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Bart Start, Ken Stabler, Y.A. Tittle, Fran Tarkenton and John Elway.
- 2x Superbowl Champion
- One of only five players in NFL history to be a 2x Superbowl MVP.
Why do you have to be the best at you position at some point to be a HOF? Was Barry Sanders always the best RB? Emmitt would dispute that. Eli's stats, moments and titles put him in. It's ridiculous to say well if he didn't or whatever.
Terry Bradshaw hof eli should be hof
Bradshaw was miles better than Eli, he was a vocal leader, he called his own plays and could become a playmaker when necessary. Put some respect on his name. Back then, the NFL didn't open up the passing game like it has today. Defenses were allowed to kill any player in motion. Bradshaw is the architect of 4 super bowls he lead, a dynasty & he was steel tough on the field of play. Bradshaw was tough, physical & hard to bring down and he could knock defenders over when he ran. Pipe down Bradshaw is one of the die hard legends. The Steeler dynasty was better than the Patriots in terms of brutality & instilling fear into opponents. QBs like Eli, Peyton & Brady are playing in the NFL's most protected era. Contrast that, with Bradshaw who played QB in the NFL's most violent & dangerous era and it ain't close. Had Eli played with no O-line in Bradshaw's era well you'd visit his tombstone. The bad old '70's is when football became the top sport in America thanks to QBs like Bradshaw.
@@ctruth6185 put terry bradshaw in a giants uniform and they lose both super bowls
@@ctruth6185 absolutely!!
I hate Eli !! But if he isn't a unanimous choice for the HOF something is seriously wrong.
If Kurt Warner is a Hall Of Famer , then Eli definitely is...
Facts. Dont forget Moon, Bradshaw, Namath, and Brister as well. Theres more but I will stop for now.
Jim Plunkett similar stats with 25,000 yards passing to 198 tds to Eli Mannng 57,000 yards passing, 350 + tds not quite similar stats goofball this is what they have on Espn guys who know noting about journalism !!!
Plunkett has more ints than tds. These comparisons are foolish and ignorant.
I agree with Greeny on this one...Eli is always undersold when you look at his complete body of work...Dominique, he does not have to be"the guy" as you described...You mentioned Joe Namath as possibly one of the guys that shouldn't be there but remember, Joe "Willy" Namath was "the guy" when he played...
I don't know how ESPN hires these commentators... Orlovsky (dumb as a box of rocks *cough* 0-16) Woody (biased ex pat) and fox (who cannot slooooow down his indoor voice)
I agree with Greeny 100%
He has over 50,000 passing yards and 366 passing TDs. Every other QB with those types of stats is in the HOF. Now add 2x Super Bowl MVP and 2 Super Bowl rings, Eli is a shoo in. Friggin' Jim Kelly got voted in his first year of eligibility.
Foxworth stop being a hater man
Just know that whenever a documentary on Tom Brady is made, Eli’s name will ALWAYS be in there as the ONLY quarterback to beat him, TWICE.
Drop the mic on them Greeny!
Two time Super Bowl MVP. Enough said
he didn't deserve mvp his defense did but cant give a hole defense mvp so they gave it to him lets not act like he played awesome and lit the score board on fire in those super bowls
.500 career record tho
@@jalenblack7202 it wasn't the defense who escaped that sack and threw the game winning ball. It wasn't the defense who played San Fran title game. The defense holds the other team but you still need to score. And against Bellicheck's defense. Besides once a team's defense falls behind and the offense has to come in and score to win you kind of have to throw that explanation out.
If Joe Nameth can be in the HoF with a losing record and more interceptions than TD passes, then Eli can be in there with a even record, 2 Super Bowl MVP awards, and his long tenure with one team (among other attributes).
I think Eli is 100% a HOF QB
If joe namath is in then eli should be guaranteed.
2011 Eli Manning threw for nearly 5000 yards, beat Aaron Rodgers on the road in the playoffs, beat Tom Brady again in the Super Bowl. Winning a second Super Bowl, MVP. If nobody said he was one of the best quarterbacks in football at the end of 2011, they weren’t paying attention.
The two Super Bowls have to get Eli in eventually. But it should take a while
Joe Namath got in on one SB win and pretty much the bravado of "guaranteeing" it. He went in as a polarizing figure, not solely based on his statistical body of work.
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