So many great moments in this one. Colonel Runaway. Anger of a good man. "Have you ever had children?" Why would a Time Lord be a weapon? "I couldn't have prevented this." "What might that word come to mean? Gaah, this is peak Doctor Who.
There's a minisode called The Battle of Demon's Run: Two Days Later that explains how Strax is still alive and how he comes to work for Vastra. It's probably available on RUclips if you want to check it out. There were also some minisodes included on the Series Six DVD called Good Night, Bad Night, First Night, and Last Night, which feature more Doctor/River goodness which you also may be able to find on RUclips or elsewhere online.
Paula and Kat: And when you think that acting wasn't even Matt's first career choice and it was his drama teacher that insisted that he go in for acting. If Matt had gone on to be a pro footballer, we'd've never seen his incarnation.
Ever since I’ve had my own kids That moment when the fake baby dissolves to goo… and especially the horror and pain on Amy’s face really gets tears flowing.
I still think we need an episode in which the Doctor nor the audience realizes he is in the Gamma Forests and we see now Gatwa's Doctor saving a young girl. She asks, "What are we going to do?!" He looks up, sees what is coming, "We run!" But after a moment of running, he stops and thinks aloud, "Why does this seem so familiar." At the end of the episode, after the Doctor saves the day and the TARDIS disappears, we hear a leader of a village say to thunderous applause, "From now on, to the people of the Gamma Forests, the name 'Doctor' shall mean 'Mighty Warrior!'"
@@j.rileyindependentproductionsnow that would be so cool! An episode in the gamma forest and a throwaway line like the one you’ve suggested or a character asking “have you seen Lorna?” Ahhhhhhh I need it
My favorite New Who Doctor and his family!! I have always loved how close they were, and still are. Sometime after Karen got married, I saw a vacation phot she was on, with Matt and Arthur!! And I love their careers are going so well! Alex has been good in everything she's ever done, including "A Discovery of Witches", which probably has too small an audience to react to (it was on 4 seasons on AMC), but something you might want to see.
Watching these episodes from River's perspective does really add a lot more emotional context to them, for example the scene with River and Rory in the prison hits a lot harder on rewatch than it did on initial viewing. When you see it the first time, it's just a kind of whatever moment with some fun gags ("Stevie Wonder sang in 1814?"), and a bit of preamble for the more dramatic setup of the episode. But coming back to it on a second time and beyond, you get hit with a massive gut-punch since you're watching her giddily tell her dad about her birthday date while he has no idea that she's his daughter. In general, I feel like Moffat doesn't get as much praise as he deserves for his more emotional dramatic moments for this exact reason. Whereas Davies' approach to the emotional beats tends to be bigger, more dramatic and more operatic - big swelling music, actors going full-blown red-faced blubbering, epic melodramatic dialogue - Moffat tends to opt for a quieter and more lyrical approach, which feels more understated and doesn't really hit as hard the first time. I think this leads a lot of people who've only watched the Moffat era once to act like it's not very emotional, whereas if you've watched the entire story play out and then go back and watch one of the earlier episodes, what seemed like a fairly innocuous scene can turn out to be a major gut-punch moment due to the context we're provided with later on, whether that be a later reveal that shakes up the story, or a thematic parallel that it has with a later sequence. In many regards, Moffat's era feels like it was intended to be watched more than once, making this little project you're undertaking really well-conceived. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the rest of this series, especially once we start getting to the end - you're both going to be dealing yourselves maximum amounts of emotional damage with the triple whammy of "Angels", "Husbands" and the Library two-parter!
Moffat certainly can pull the emotional punches. Girl In the Fireplace remains one of my all time favourite WHOs across all 60 years. Has me in tears every time, too.
A couple of things (maybe I´m repeating myself): -Rory is not only badass, he´s a role model -This is the 2nd time the Doctor got so high just to fall minutes later (The other time was in Pandorica...) -Angry Eleven is so dark! -Amy, just like River, is quite a screamer (well, maybe not just like River...) Love this episode!
I mean technically right before the Library is the Husbands of River Song with the Singing Towers. River and 12 where so good together I love that episode so much.
Once the Paternoster Gang is formally introduced, it's revealed that Strax was mortally wounded at Demon's Run, and likely experienced "brain death" for some unstated amount of time. Medical technology brought him back, but the lack of oxygen and nutrients to his brain for that period did result in some aberrations, which is why he flips from tactically sharp one moment and comically idiotic the next, creating the Strax at whom, no, with whom we endearingly roll our eyes. Basically, there WERE consequences.
And River grew up to be both a sort of a geography teacher (as an archeology professor; archeologist works on a junction of history, geography, geology, culturology etc etc) and a superhero.
Wasn't really planning on watching ya'll watching River's story, but hey, Rory has his most kickass scene in this one... And then before I know it, the Doctor's telling Colonel Runaway to run away... and Matt Smith really really impressed me. I mean - he did back in 2011 when this aired. And still does, despite my concerns about his casting, and so - this is me acknowledging him. There are in fact, ultimately very very few unimpressive moments during Matt's run, IMO. From his acting perspective. Still not my fave, but he was an amazing Doctor.
Given River's conversation with Rory in the prison, and given that she hasn't escaped to get the vortex manipulator yet which she uses here, I always thought this was later in her timeline. As such, since she steals the Vortex Manipulator in it, wouldn't the Pandorica two-parter come before this?
The Wedding of River Song Confidential episode that came out in 2011 had Alex Kingston narrate River’s timeline, and this was the order. I’ve added the episodes that came out after series 6: 1. A Good Man Goes to War (baby Melody) 2. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon (child Melody) 3. Let’s Kill Hitler 4. Closing Time 5. The Wedding of River Song 6. First Night/Last Night 7. A Good Man Goes to War (Frost Fair) 8. A Good Man Goes to War (Demons Run) 9. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon 10. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang 11. The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone 12. The Wedding of River Song (Amy’s Garden) 13. Last Night (failed trip to Darillium) 14. Rain Gods 15. The Angels Take Manhattan 16. The Husbands of River Song 17. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead 18. The Name of the Doctor
@@nocturne8333 I've seen that too, but honestly, it still doesn't make sense as River doesn't get the Vortex Manipulator until "The Pandorica Opens." After all, she personally is traveling in time to get to Utah for "The Impossible Astronaut" as well so she has to have it for both instances. If we move the end of "Demons Run" to immediately after "The Big Bang" it could work...
@@j.rileyindependentproductions It’s just that River owns multiple vortex manipulators across her timeline. It’s constantly getting broken or destroyed in her audio adventures. The Confidential episode is as definitive a timeline the show will ever have, and it was signed off by Moffat, so I tend to go with that as a source.
Watching this reaction, it occurred to me that the River that meets Rory at the beginning and the River that shows up at the end have to be at different point in their timeline. More specifically, River-at-the-end is at an earlier point in her timeline than River-at-the-start. This is based on the fact that River-at-the-start tells Rory all the things that will happen at Demon’s Run. Right?
I like River Song but not a fan at all of the convoluted timeline thing. Guess I'm more used to the classic show which rarely used the time travel aspect more than to just get to the setting for the next story.
Amelia Pond Amy Pond The Legs Agent Pond Amelia Williams Rory Williams The Nose Capt Williams Rory Pond Melody Williams Melody Pond Mrs Robinson Mels River Song Dr River Song Professor River Song You need a flowchart just to keep track of the names of these three family members.
Honestly never got the hype of this reveal , it's shocking yes but , it all feels so pointless now as they never fully dive into it how psychologically it effected amy & rory realistically ponds shouldn't had continued traveling after this!
10th Doctor first meeting River, "I point and laugh at archeologists."
11th Doctor first meeting the baby, points and laughs.
I can't believe she says "it's my birthday" when Rory comes. CLUES!!!
So many great moments in this one.
Colonel Runaway.
Anger of a good man.
"Have you ever had children?"
Why would a Time Lord be a weapon?
"I couldn't have prevented this."
"What might that word come to mean?
Gaah, this is peak Doctor Who.
There's a minisode called The Battle of Demon's Run: Two Days Later that explains how Strax is still alive and how he comes to work for Vastra. It's probably available on RUclips if you want to check it out. There were also some minisodes included on the Series Six DVD called Good Night, Bad Night, First Night, and Last Night, which feature more Doctor/River goodness which you also may be able to find on RUclips or elsewhere online.
1:28 yeah the music is great.
7:05 hilarious watching the joke slowly come to Paula
Enjoying this River ride with yall.
Paula and Kat: And when you think that acting wasn't even Matt's first career choice and it was his drama teacher that insisted that he go in for acting. If Matt had gone on to be a pro footballer, we'd've never seen his incarnation.
We were all very lucky!
Ever since I’ve had my own kids That moment when the fake baby dissolves to goo… and especially the horror and pain on Amy’s face really gets tears flowing.
Yeah, becoming a parent fucks you up lol. You can't watch anything the same way ever again...
Lorna Bucket's death absolutely crushes me every time. The Doctor giving a generic answer ("we ran") is a dagger to the heart.
I still think we need an episode in which the Doctor nor the audience realizes he is in the Gamma Forests and we see now Gatwa's Doctor saving a young girl. She asks, "What are we going to do?!" He looks up, sees what is coming, "We run!" But after a moment of running, he stops and thinks aloud, "Why does this seem so familiar." At the end of the episode, after the Doctor saves the day and the TARDIS disappears, we hear a leader of a village say to thunderous applause, "From now on, to the people of the Gamma Forests, the name 'Doctor' shall mean 'Mighty Warrior!'"
@@j.rileyindependentproductionsnow that would be so cool! An episode in the gamma forest and a throwaway line like the one you’ve suggested or a character asking “have you seen Lorna?” Ahhhhhhh I need it
My favorite New Who Doctor and his family!! I have always loved how close they were, and still are. Sometime after Karen got married, I saw a vacation phot she was on, with Matt and Arthur!! And I love their careers are going so well! Alex has been good in everything she's ever done, including "A Discovery of Witches", which probably has too small an audience to react to (it was on 4 seasons on AMC), but something you might want to see.
Watching these episodes from River's perspective does really add a lot more emotional context to them, for example the scene with River and Rory in the prison hits a lot harder on rewatch than it did on initial viewing. When you see it the first time, it's just a kind of whatever moment with some fun gags ("Stevie Wonder sang in 1814?"), and a bit of preamble for the more dramatic setup of the episode. But coming back to it on a second time and beyond, you get hit with a massive gut-punch since you're watching her giddily tell her dad about her birthday date while he has no idea that she's his daughter.
In general, I feel like Moffat doesn't get as much praise as he deserves for his more emotional dramatic moments for this exact reason. Whereas Davies' approach to the emotional beats tends to be bigger, more dramatic and more operatic - big swelling music, actors going full-blown red-faced blubbering, epic melodramatic dialogue - Moffat tends to opt for a quieter and more lyrical approach, which feels more understated and doesn't really hit as hard the first time. I think this leads a lot of people who've only watched the Moffat era once to act like it's not very emotional, whereas if you've watched the entire story play out and then go back and watch one of the earlier episodes, what seemed like a fairly innocuous scene can turn out to be a major gut-punch moment due to the context we're provided with later on, whether that be a later reveal that shakes up the story, or a thematic parallel that it has with a later sequence. In many regards, Moffat's era feels like it was intended to be watched more than once, making this little project you're undertaking really well-conceived.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing the rest of this series, especially once we start getting to the end - you're both going to be dealing yourselves maximum amounts of emotional damage with the triple whammy of "Angels", "Husbands" and the Library two-parter!
Moffat certainly can pull the emotional punches. Girl In the Fireplace remains one of my all time favourite WHOs across all 60 years. Has me in tears every time, too.
A couple of things (maybe I´m repeating myself):
-Rory is not only badass, he´s a role model
-This is the 2nd time the Doctor got so high just to fall minutes later (The other time was in Pandorica...)
-Angry Eleven is so dark!
-Amy, just like River, is quite a screamer (well, maybe not just like River...)
Love this episode!
I've seen it 40 times and it still makes me cry.
"Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many..."
All these years later, that line still gives me chills
Yup, I remember "getting it" at the prayer star as well, leaping off the couch in the living room and totally freaking out.
I mean technically right before the Library is the Husbands of River Song with the Singing Towers. River and 12 where so good together I love that episode so much.
Once the Paternoster Gang is formally introduced, it's revealed that Strax was mortally wounded at Demon's Run, and likely experienced "brain death" for some unstated amount of time. Medical technology brought him back, but the lack of oxygen and nutrients to his brain for that period did result in some aberrations, which is why he flips from tactically sharp one moment and comically idiotic the next, creating the Strax at whom, no, with whom we endearingly roll our eyes. Basically, there WERE consequences.
15:24 the doctor saved him because he saved rory... at the sacrifice of his iq
And River grew up to be both a sort of a geography teacher (as an archeology professor; archeologist works on a junction of history, geography, geology, culturology etc etc) and a superhero.
Wasn't really planning on watching ya'll watching River's story, but hey, Rory has his most kickass scene in this one... And then before I know it, the Doctor's telling Colonel Runaway to run away... and Matt Smith really really impressed me. I mean - he did back in 2011 when this aired. And still does, despite my concerns about his casting, and so - this is me acknowledging him. There are in fact, ultimately very very few unimpressive moments during Matt's run, IMO. From his acting perspective. Still not my fave, but he was an amazing Doctor.
We need a SPIN OFF of those 3!! A Sherlock type show...
I'm Enjoying this , some things do make more sense from this way round and your thoughts on it do enhance the journey .
One of the shorts has the missing moment with Strax surviving and joining the gang.
I have never loved River Song more than in this moment. (You know the one.)
The last time she saw the cot was when she was in it
There's another scene with Strax! Showing him waking up and going with Madam Vastra and Jenny!
Given River's conversation with Rory in the prison, and given that she hasn't escaped to get the vortex manipulator yet which she uses here, I always thought this was later in her timeline. As such, since she steals the Vortex Manipulator in it, wouldn't the Pandorica two-parter come before this?
The Wedding of River Song Confidential episode that came out in 2011 had Alex Kingston narrate River’s timeline, and this was the order. I’ve added the episodes that came out after series 6:
1. A Good Man Goes to War (baby Melody)
2. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon (child Melody)
3. Let’s Kill Hitler
4. Closing Time
5. The Wedding of River Song
6. First Night/Last Night
7. A Good Man Goes to War (Frost Fair)
8. A Good Man Goes to War (Demons Run)
9. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
10. The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
11. The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
12. The Wedding of River Song (Amy’s Garden)
13. Last Night (failed trip to Darillium)
14. Rain Gods
15. The Angels Take Manhattan
16. The Husbands of River Song
17. Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
18. The Name of the Doctor
@@nocturne8333 I've seen that too, but honestly, it still doesn't make sense as River doesn't get the Vortex Manipulator until "The Pandorica Opens." After all, she personally is traveling in time to get to Utah for "The Impossible Astronaut" as well so she has to have it for both instances. If we move the end of "Demons Run" to immediately after "The Big Bang" it could work...
@@j.rileyindependentproductions It’s just that River owns multiple vortex manipulators across her timeline. It’s constantly getting broken or destroyed in her audio adventures. The Confidential episode is as definitive a timeline the show will ever have, and it was signed off by Moffat, so I tend to go with that as a source.
So the message from the Doctor and the question from Rory are actually the same thing?
Watching this reaction, it occurred to me that the River that meets Rory at the beginning and the River that shows up at the end have to be at different point in their timeline. More specifically, River-at-the-end is at an earlier point in her timeline than River-at-the-start. This is based on the fact that River-at-the-start tells Rory all the things that will happen at Demon’s Run. Right?
5:48 tehe iykyk( Nope , i'm not going to be less cryptic)
I like River Song but not a fan at all of the convoluted timeline thing. Guess I'm more used to the classic show which rarely used the time travel aspect more than to just get to the setting for the next story.
Amelia Pond
Amy Pond
The Legs
Agent Pond
Amelia Williams
Rory Williams
The Nose
Capt Williams
Rory Pond
Melody Williams
Melody Pond
Mrs Robinson
Mels
River Song
Dr River Song
Professor River Song
You need a flowchart just to keep track of the names of these three family members.
You missed The Centurion for Rory, lol!
@@Skeezer66 Thanks; I felt like I was missing something for Rory. It certainly helps illustrate my point.
And melody Malone
I need a bigger flowchart.
@@Skeezer66 yeah don’t forget the last centurion
For the love of god react to fallout
Honestly never got the hype of this reveal , it's shocking yes but , it all feels so pointless now as they never fully dive into it how psychologically it effected amy & rory realistically ponds shouldn't had continued traveling after this!
They had to, as Melanie was right there growing up with them. Plus they do separate from The Doctor and settle down, to a point.
please can you react t o lexx? :)
I *despise* Steven Moffat.
I LOVE Moffat he is my favorite showrunner and writer ever
@@nickloschen2717 How old are you?