Saruman: What do you want Gandalf greyhame? The keys of Orthanc, or perhaps the keys of Barad Dur itself! Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards? Gandalf: Just tea, thank you.
From memory I think Gandalf had been in middle-earth for about 2000 years. But yeah, TreeBeard still older. Like 20,000 years old or something crazy like that.
It makes me so proud of being a fan of the "Lord of the Rings" to know that people were sad about this scene being deleted,. NOT BECAUSE they didn't get to see Saruman die in the theatrical version. But because they felt is was disrespectful to Christopher Lee to delete his final moment in the saga.
Kind of both to be honest. I'd be pissed to find out in the theatre that i don't get to see how the villain of the series dies and instead it's just spoken in words. I'm glad i only watched the extended editions.
I love how when Gimli says "shoot him" Legolas immediately reaches for an arrow. It's a small detail that just shows the progression of the friendship between them. At the Council of Elrond they could barely stand to be in the same room with each other; now one of them says "kill that guy" and the other just reflexively goes "OK".
I interpreted it as honoring his new friend and ally in arms by placating his request. A show of respect. You can clearly see Lego has no intention to loose an arrow at this point. He reaches much, much slower than any other time he actually has intention of shooting an arrow. Compare the scene right after when he nails Grima. Granted, time is of the essence so Saruman doesn't get shanked more, but the point remains imo.
@@DirtySouthJR i interpret it as less humoring gimli and more him thinking "yea maybe hes right" the reason he reached slower than usual is because hes considering every option and whether gandalf would agree or not. But its nice to think he was also taking gimli into account as well.
That's true. One of the lessons in LOTR trilogy is friendship. Gimli and legolas can't stand each other at the start due to racial issues,but in the end they became best friends and inseparable
@@whitealliance9540 Lol buddy the gibberish you're spouting has nothing to do with the question i asked. In fact, it wasn't even meant for you, it was meant for the OP.
Essentially they are the same character. Both were impatient and indignant at the state of their world/Galaxy and envious of another in their Order. Both are proud and aristocratic with charismatic nature's. Both betrayed their friends and thought they could use evil means to achieve good ends and never realized how corrupted they became with the darkness. both were used and discarded by their dark Masters. Finally both were slain by someone they never thought could harm them and that they held in utter contempt.
The last time Gandalf and Saruman met, Gandalf got his ass handed to him and had no choice but to run away. This time, Saruman shoots him with a fireball and Gandalf doesn't even flinch at it, then makes his staff explode with a single word. The look on Saruman's face says it all. Eru has forsaken him. What a performance!
It’s not that Gandalf is suddenly more powerful exactly. Bit theory and canon. He became wiser and did became a stronger Maiar (spirit) after his resurrection. Saruman was originally the strongest and most knowledgeable Maiar of the Five Istari (Wizards) that came to Middle Earth. Gandalf was originally suppose to lead the Istari but gave it to Saruman. Saruman was a stronger Maiar because he knew a greater understanding of the natural forces and materials of the world and generally more knowledgeable. Gandalf was wiser as a whole but Saruman knew more about Middle Earth. The old knowledge vs wisdom debate. But when Gandalf died and Eru restored and raised him to being the new White Wizard, he didn’t have to fix him. He became more knowledgeable of the world. The Istari were forbidden from becoming like Sauron. Remember Sauron was not human he was like Gandalf a Maiar but was the strongest one. So when Saruman whom was strong and knowledgeable but not wise or courageous sided with Sauron he became corrupted. Gandalf was strong, knowledgeable, wise, and courageous and returned with all these virtues in balance as the White Wizard should have.
"Grima, you were once a Man of Rohan. Be free of him." Much like Gollum, I cant help but feel bad for Wormtongue. He got his vengeance against Saruman, though.
Still think this scene should have made it into the theatrical version. Leaving it out and having Saruman's storyline suddenly end with him presumably still alive was one of the few missteps in Return of the King.
In fact Saruman survived this meeting in the Book. He told Gandalf and the others what Sauron is about to do and then he was held capture by the Ents til the War was over and they let him go because they thought Gandalf would had taken his voice powers from him, but that was sadly not the truth. Later he burned down the Shire and then was killed by Grima (who was coming with him)
i thought the hobbits defeat him in bag end and exile him but then brfore he can leave Grima kills him by cutting his throat, so he is actually supposed to survive this xD
It's more realistic to the book tho since saruman didn't die till after the end of return of the King but he was still killed by grima . I don't really see the point in killing at all besides tying up loose ends and saying no sequel
An awesome piece of trivia with this seen, Christopher Lee was in special forces in WW2, and when Peter Jackson told Lee about what he is supposed to to do when stabbed, he turned around and told him, no, I know what happens when a person is stabbed, that's bad assery right there
The funny thing is that in the climax of this movie, Aragorn followed that advice with the Mouth of Sauron when it was clear "negotiations" wouldn't go anywhere.
Theodan is a peak king. Even after everything Wormtongue did to him and Rohan, the humiliation he suffered through that cost him his last hours with his son, Theodan was still willing to forgive him and welcome him back with open arms. Aragon learned from the best.
'Saruman, Saruman!" Said Gandalf still laughing. 'Saruman, you missed your path in life. You should have been the king's jester and earned your bread and stripes too, by mimicking his counsellors. Ah me!" he paused, getting the better of his mirth. 'Understand one another? I fear I am beyond your comprehension. But you, Saruman, I understand now too well. I keep a clearer memory of your arguments, and deeds, than you suppose. When last I visited you, you were the jailer of Mordor, and there I was to be sent. Nay, the guest who has escaped your roof, will think twice before he comes back in by door. Nay, I do not think I will come up. But listen, Saruman, for the last time! Will you not come down? Isengard has proved less strong than your hope and fancy made it. So may other things in which you still have trust. Would it not be well to leave it for a while? To turn to new things, perhaps? Think well, Saruman! Will you not come down?' J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers, book III, Chapter 10, The Voice of Saruman
The way Theoden delivers that line about his men who died at helms deep is what gets me. I know he kinda said something like this right after, but Im surprised he didn't deliver it in a full shout: "WHEN YOU HANG FROM THE SPIRES OF ORTHANC ITSELF, PICKED APART BY YOUR OWN CROWS! THEN, SARUMAN... THEN WE SHALL HAVE PEACE!" Also, I loved Saruman's line: "Tell me, what words of comfort did you give the halfling as you sent him to his doom?" was perfect. Like Saruman knows what Gandalf has done with the ring. But it also suggests that Saruman knew where the ring was, and nothing prevented him from alerting Sauron about Frodo. Hmm...
Well originally Saruman wanted the ring for himself, not for Sauron but for his own sake, to take its power. Perhaps he still sought to take it even after supposedly working with sauron
@@ashleytrout7452 That was always the intention of Saruman. The books will explain that Saruman had wanted the ring itself first before coming to serve Sauron. That was why the orcs took merry and pippin to Isengard instead of to Mordor. Because Saruman thought they have the ring.
3:12. That sigh is powerful. Simple but powerful. For all of Gandalf’s new power going from Grey to White, he cannot shake that he believes what Saruman is saying about Frodo’s inevitable fate. I wish they’d left this in. It’s good acting by McKellan.
Saruman - Christopher Lee - he had one of the most impressive voices and has known at least 4 languages = English, French , Italian and a very special German ... Like Tolkien himself he was very much interested in old languages - so he learned a kind of old German also - I heard him often speaking and he synchronized himself in his movies also - RIP great man !!!
@@l4d2_ellis20 The spirit/Maiar named Olorin is older, but the Istari Gandalf is not. The Istari were Maiar spirits clothed in mortal flesh. Unlike the elves, the Ents likely never knew what the Wizards were.
@@kunns123 in flesh yes, but his spirit is as old as universe.
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@@armagananteplioglu9031 No Treebeard is way older than Gandalf, Gandalf is a Maia which are considered lesser angels compared to Valar, Maia simply werent alive during the Song of Creation and Treebeard is described as the oldest being in Middle Earth to the point he saw first acorn grown, first rain drop fall etc
I like how the villain knew, with surgical precision, how to break their will. The type of enemy I can respect. Gandalf sacrificed his friends, dwarves and hobbits, to complete his mission. Tempted him with that which he was afraid of. Aragorn the Strider, a forgotten relic of the past. Théoden, the king who failed to protect his people.
Can't wait to see the "Sauron's Own 1st Psychological Warfare Division, Army of Mordor," composed of assassins (basically today's commandos and special forces), defectors, saboteurs, spies, Istari (Saruman), and Nazgul (Witch-king of Angmar).
Given that he holds the palantir out when he says it, he most likely is referring to the fact that Denethor is losing his mind, since Denethor also possesses a palantir.
This is my first time seeing this scene. That explains SO much as to how he finds the Palantir in the water. I wish this would have been left in the theatrical release.
I can't believe they cut this out of the theatrical version. Sauruman was the main villian for two movies and peter jackson just said "nah fuck it, lets just say he is the tower and won't come out" 😂
I love how, despite in the books Saruman dies at The Shire, they respected the original death in the books being betrayed by Grima who fed up of being treated like a scoundrel. It's a kinda original scene to raise even more how spectacular Christopher Lee's acting was.
@@thebigchap101 I would bet that the actor who actually got submerged though was not elderly Christopher Lee, but rather a stunt man whose job was to be the body on the wheel for that shot.
This scene in the book is one of my favorites because it was the first accounting for Saruman's betrayals of Middle-Earth. Saruman tries to sweet-talk the party, Theoden refuses his overtures, and Gandalf renders judgment, breaks Saruman's staff, and casts him out of the wizard's order. Even though I found Tolkien exhausting to read at times (e.g. Council of Elrond), this passage was gripping. I understood why Jackson was compelled to cut the scene, implying that Saruman was felled in battle. I understand why he elected to not include the Scouring of the Shire, putting instead the deaths of Saruman and Wormtongue in this scene. But I always thought that the initial cut was a missed opportunity to show just how good Tolkien could be as a storyteller, and I was so happy to see this in the extended cut, distilled though it is.
The best part of this scene, is that Gimli and Legolas had become such friends, they were not only riding on the same horse, but when Gimli told Legolas to shoot Saruman, he reacted without hesitation. They weren't just, guys or friends at this point, they were buddies.
theodens retort always gives me goosebumps. its like what id like to say to all the warlords, bureaucrats, politicians, and evil bastards of this world..
in the book, it is said that Saruman's words are so bewitching (both due to his arguments and his magic) that of all the people in Middle Earth, only Gandalf, Galadriel and maybe Aragorn could have avoided being ensnared by him. You can hear the whisper overlaid with Saruman's voice at 0:40 to illustrate this
The Lord Of the Rings trilogy might be the only franchise where people dont mind the movie being longer, or they might be even mad that it wasnt longer. 3 hours? MORE!
I think some people can only sympathize with either the unfortunate victim or the heroic protector. They're so naively incapable of malevolence, that I imagine they wouldn't recognize it even if it stood at arms length.
I don’t see any mention of it here in the comments so I gotta shout out Brad Dourif’s acting in this scene, and overall. The guy had a relatively small part in these films but he absolutely killed it. Really great and underrated actor
@Matthew G Ministries -Baritone/Tenor 2 Bruh, it's a war. Do you know how Gandalf and his company killed? Before you say Orcs don't count, they are still living beings. They were once elves after all.
Truly, this is a tremendous scene to somehow capture on film in this way. There's really a lot of subtlety in the structure of the dialogue. Very, very hard to get that dialed-in properly. But it's just another example of 1st-Rate filmmaking by Peter Jackson & Co. They said that Fran Walsh & Philippa Boyen had a lot of involvement in the screenplay. There are just so many episodes like this that really needed subtlety and nuance to feel "right", so I wonder if was due to a team-based effort.
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Saruman: What do you want Gandalf greyhame? The keys of Orthanc, or perhaps the keys of Barad Dur itself! Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards?
Gandalf: Just tea, thank you.
LOL XD
Lmao
(Hits his head on the chandalier)
Best comment ever!
Oh I'm just here to break your staff😆
Theoden really gets the best speeches.
Eetu Palo Kings man, Aragorn too
Théoden is basically a poet
can't believe they left this scene out.
Sarumans speech to the Uruk hai army when they went to helms deep was incredible
@@Lira_man An Old English poet. :)
"Young master Gandalf" - that is funny.
Well treebeard is like a few thousand years old or something, while Gandalf is only a few hundred, so it makes sense xD
From memory I think Gandalf had been in middle-earth for about 2000 years. But yeah, TreeBeard still older. Like 20,000 years old or something crazy like that.
Bonkatsu12 Gandalf has only been there a few hundred years, so that's wrong. He came during the third age.
And when he arrived , he looked as old as he did a few hundred years later.
Lel. In any case, Gandalf was a Maia.
He participated in the song that foretold of the creation, and thus predates Treebeard.
It makes me so proud of being a fan of the "Lord of the Rings" to know that people were sad about this scene being deleted,. NOT BECAUSE they didn't get to see Saruman die in the theatrical version. But because they felt is was disrespectful to Christopher Lee to delete his final moment in the saga.
Kind of both to be honest. I'd be pissed to find out in the theatre that i don't get to see how the villain of the series dies and instead it's just spoken in words. I'm glad i only watched the extended editions.
Fun fact about this scene - Christopher Lee actually wanted the Return of the King premiere boycotted if his scene in ROTK was removed.
@@EricGraham94 is that even a fact..I've never heard that besides you and another commentor ahahhh..
Yep
Absolutely. The story needed closure, and this was his only rope in the third film. Out of all the deleted scenes, THIS should have been in it
I love how when Gimli says "shoot him" Legolas immediately reaches for an arrow. It's a small detail that just shows the progression of the friendship between them. At the Council of Elrond they could barely stand to be in the same room with each other; now one of them says "kill that guy" and the other just reflexively goes "OK".
I interpreted it as honoring his new friend and ally in arms by placating his request. A show of respect. You can clearly see Lego has no intention to loose an arrow at this point. He reaches much, much slower than any other time he actually has intention of shooting an arrow. Compare the scene right after when he nails Grima. Granted, time is of the essence so Saruman doesn't get shanked more, but the point remains imo.
@@DirtySouthJR Well.. "Lego" did shoot that arrow, although it wasn't a killing shot through the heart.
@@DirtySouthJR i interpret it as less humoring gimli and more him thinking "yea maybe hes right" the reason he reached slower than usual is because hes considering every option and whether gandalf would agree or not. But its nice to think he was also taking gimli into account as well.
That's true. One of the lessons in LOTR trilogy is friendship. Gimli and legolas can't stand each other at the start due to racial issues,but in the end they became best friends and inseparable
Love this. In the books it's even said that one of Saruman's deadliest weapons is his own voice.
I'm reading book right now and it's truth! But Christhoper Lee's voice is so good!
That’s why it’s such a genius touch that they cast Christopher Lee for this. The man with probably the most badass voice in Hollywood.
@@velvet_victor ruclips.net/video/vxThHjlG668/видео.html he has a channel His voice is out of this world!
What does his voice do exactly? Brainwash people? Couldn't any wizard just do that with their magic?
@@whitealliance9540 Lol buddy the gibberish you're spouting has nothing to do with the question i asked. In fact, it wasn't even meant for you, it was meant for the OP.
The irony that both Count Dooku and Saruman were both corrupt by evil, and die near the beginning of the third movie
Lunch finally another Dooku comment
i think you mean coincidence
Lunch they are both played by Christopher lee
Essentially they are the same character. Both were impatient and indignant at the state of their world/Galaxy and envious of another in their Order. Both are proud and aristocratic with charismatic nature's. Both betrayed their friends and thought they could use evil means to achieve good ends and never realized how corrupted they became with the darkness. both were used and discarded by their dark Masters. Finally both were slain by someone they never thought could harm them and that they held in utter contempt.
that ..... isnt irony. look up the definition of irony
The last time Gandalf and Saruman met, Gandalf got his ass handed to him and had no choice but to run away. This time, Saruman shoots him with a fireball and Gandalf doesn't even flinch at it, then makes his staff explode with a single word.
The look on Saruman's face says it all. Eru has forsaken him. What a performance!
It’s not that Gandalf is suddenly more powerful exactly. Bit theory and canon.
He became wiser and did became a stronger Maiar (spirit) after his resurrection. Saruman was originally the strongest and most knowledgeable Maiar of the Five Istari (Wizards) that came to Middle Earth. Gandalf was originally suppose to lead the Istari but gave it to Saruman.
Saruman was a stronger Maiar because he knew a greater understanding of the natural forces and materials of the world and generally more knowledgeable. Gandalf was wiser as a whole but Saruman knew more about Middle Earth. The old knowledge vs wisdom debate.
But when Gandalf died and Eru restored and raised him to being the new White Wizard, he didn’t have to fix him. He became more knowledgeable of the world. The Istari were forbidden from becoming like Sauron. Remember Sauron was not human he was like Gandalf a Maiar but was the strongest one. So when Saruman whom was strong and knowledgeable but not wise or courageous sided with Sauron he became corrupted. Gandalf was strong, knowledgeable, wise, and courageous and returned with all these virtues in balance as the White Wizard should have.
Well, it broke with 5 words, technically speaking.
@@90CJk it looks like Saruman is also a lot older
Exactly, too bad they don't talk about the fact that Gandalf became the White because Saruman is not what he is supposed to be.
Peter Jackson straying from the books
Theoden offering Grima forgiveness was probably the most touching part, it really showed the heart of a real King
And I thought gandallf offered saruman forgiveness too if he rejoined them and told what he knew?
@@CrystalCollector-g4nIn the book, he did, but Saruman rejected the offer.
“Saruman, your staff is broken” and then it shatters. That is powerful.
"Grima, you were once a Man of Rohan. Be free of him."
Much like Gollum, I cant help but feel bad for Wormtongue. He got his vengeance against Saruman, though.
big boi boba yeah out of anger ahahhah...
He even cries when he sees that Saruman has the army needed to destroy Helm's Deep, possibly regretting his betrayal.
Theoden definitely pitied him, the look when he got shot was regretful that he never had a chance to be forgiven
Pg13 dialogues. Can imagine such nonsense in game of thrones? Hold on.. Tyrion talking to Cersei with pg13 and missandai gets killed.
Nvm
@@blacklight4720 Why is “Pg13” derogatory here?
Still think this scene should have made it into the theatrical version. Leaving it out and having Saruman's storyline
suddenly end with him presumably still alive was one of the few missteps in Return of the King.
In fact Saruman survived this meeting in the Book. He told Gandalf and the others what Sauron is about to do and then he was held capture by the Ents til the War was over and they let him go because they thought Gandalf would had taken his voice powers from him, but that was sadly not the truth. Later he burned down the Shire and then was killed by Grima (who was coming with him)
i thought the hobbits defeat him in bag end and exile him but then brfore he can leave Grima kills him by cutting his throat, so he is actually supposed to survive this xD
gor9027 I agree with that.
It's more realistic to the book tho since saruman didn't die till after the end of return of the King but he was still killed by grima . I don't really see the point in killing at all besides tying up loose ends and saying no sequel
@COOLMCDEN 219 that's just wrong
An awesome piece of trivia with this seen, Christopher Lee was in special forces in WW2, and when Peter Jackson told Lee about what he is supposed to to do when stabbed, he turned around and told him, no, I know what happens when a person is stabbed, that's bad assery right there
I learned that from special features
I can't imagine Saruman using the term "bad assery".
Oh man
Yeah, he was in special forces and there was someone also pretty famous besides him: Ian Fleming.
He advised Ian Fleming who wrote James Bond and met Tolkien in person too - Such a Legend Christopher Lee was
0:28 Gimli's negotiations are the best.
The funny thing is that in the climax of this movie, Aragorn followed that advice with the Mouth of Sauron when it was clear "negotiations" wouldn't go anywhere.
And his response to Saruman insulting his mates at 3:21 lmao.
@@amp8295 and the fact Legolas was ready to follow through with his request
He knows when a fool needs to be shut down 😂
The negotiations were short
Legolas getting ready to shoot saruman by gimli’s order🤣🤣
Yeah, Dwarves are superior than Elves!
Eh, more like he was getting fed up as well, so he took that as an invitation.
@@ceciasa3376 Legolas: between the eyes or in the chest?
Gimli: shoot that fool
Legolas: i got u fam
still only counts as one
Theodan is a peak king. Even after everything Wormtongue did to him and Rohan, the humiliation he suffered through that cost him his last hours with his son, Theodan was still willing to forgive him and welcome him back with open arms. Aragon learned from the best.
Until Aragorn commits a war crime later in the movie.
@@TheMan05555 Do the Geneva conventions *really* apply if it’s the Mouth of Sauron?
@@wildfire9280seeing as how Geneva doesn’t exist *yet*, the Mouth of Sauron isn’t human, and Sauron is basically pure evil; no.
Mouth of Sauron is a human.@@justincummings8557
"Aragon learned from the best." wrong. Aragorn stopped Theoden when he wanted to execute him. "enough blood has been spilled on his account"
Sometimes when I'm in the shower I say to myself "the filth of Saruman is washing away"
Christopher Lee was born to play this role. Saruman's power was through his voice and Christopher exemplifies this to a tee.
He was great as Dracula too, you should check that first movie out.
@@lw3646 I have the film! Lee played an excellent Dracula.🧛♂️
“Gibbets and crows!!!” 😡😤👿
Christopher Lee was pitch perfect as Saruman! His best scene in the Trilogy!
2:08 I was half expecting him to flip the bird there 😂
I think it speaks to Theoden’s character that he was willing to spare Wormtongue
'Saruman, Saruman!" Said Gandalf still laughing. 'Saruman, you missed your path in life. You should have been the king's jester and earned your bread and stripes too, by mimicking his counsellors. Ah me!" he paused, getting the better of his mirth. 'Understand one another? I fear I am beyond your comprehension. But you, Saruman, I understand now too well. I keep a clearer memory of your arguments, and deeds, than you suppose. When last I visited you, you were the jailer of Mordor, and there I was to be sent. Nay, the guest who has escaped your roof, will think twice before he comes back in by door. Nay, I do not think I will come up. But listen, Saruman, for the last time! Will you not come down? Isengard has proved less strong than your hope and fancy made it. So may other things in which you still have trust. Would it not be well to leave it for a while? To turn to new things, perhaps? Think well, Saruman! Will you not come down?'
J.R.R. Tolkien, The Two Towers, book III, Chapter 10, The Voice of Saruman
My favorite chapter in the book(s).
well, he came down.
The extended cuts of Lotr and the Hobbit are masterpieces. Strongly prefer them to the theatrical cuts.
Yosef Penn-Ari 5:17-5:28 me too.
Same
The way Theoden delivers that line about his men who died at helms deep is what gets me. I know he kinda said something like this right after, but Im surprised he didn't deliver it in a full shout: "WHEN YOU HANG FROM THE SPIRES OF ORTHANC ITSELF, PICKED APART BY YOUR OWN CROWS! THEN, SARUMAN... THEN WE SHALL HAVE PEACE!"
Also, I loved Saruman's line: "Tell me, what words of comfort did you give the halfling as you sent him to his doom?" was perfect. Like Saruman knows what Gandalf has done with the ring. But it also suggests that Saruman knew where the ring was, and nothing prevented him from alerting Sauron about Frodo. Hmm...
Well originally Saruman wanted the ring for himself, not for Sauron but for his own sake, to take its power. Perhaps he still sought to take it even after supposedly working with sauron
@@ashleytrout7452 That was always the intention of Saruman. The books will explain that Saruman had wanted the ring itself first before coming to serve Sauron.
That was why the orcs took merry and pippin to Isengard instead of to Mordor. Because Saruman thought they have the ring.
@@vehx9316 exactly
@@vehx9316 and the funny bit is, Sauron also knew that Saruman wanted to betray him xD
Ooh! king Théoden sounds especially pissed.
He is ROYALLY pissed
I like how Legolas doesn't hesitate Gimli's suggestion.
3:12. That sigh is powerful. Simple but powerful. For all of Gandalf’s new power going from Grey to White, he cannot shake that he believes what Saruman is saying about Frodo’s inevitable fate. I wish they’d left this in. It’s good acting by McKellan.
It's beautiful really, I think this is where he knows there is no redemption for Saruman deep down, but he still tries.
Saruman - Christopher Lee - he had one of the most impressive voices and has known at least 4 languages = English, French , Italian and a very special German ... Like Tolkien himself he was very much interested in old languages - so he learned a kind of old German also - I heard him often speaking and he synchronized himself in his movies also - RIP great man !!!
"very special german"
What do you mean by that?
@@davecrupel2817The old kind of German. The precursor to modern German, which is basically where we get the idea of Germanic type languages.
Old Norse or Old German?
You can hear it the way he pronounces proper names-Sauron, Mordor, Gandalf, etc.
I can’t believe this movie swept the Academy Awards. Not many movies have done that. It’s the example of a perfect movie.
The others that got 11 wins were 'Ben-Hur' (1959) and 'Titanic' (1997).
4:13 that entire bit where Saruman just trashes Theoden is brutal
And mostly verbatim from the book. Theoden admits to being "a lesser son of great sires," but then lets Saruman have it.
The cast is flawless in these movies. They each play their roles to perfection
Falling done to your death is such back-breaking work.
BA-DUM-TISH!
😂
5:13
Peter Jackson: “And now you’re going to scream in pain”
Sir Christopher Lee: “Tell me… have you ever killed a man Peter”
I’m literally going through a phase where I greet my friends like Treebeard saying “I’m MMMMMMM glad you’ve come.”
With the simple word "profess" and an actor such as Christopher saying it, the movie becomes immediately epic.
Aragorn's face at 2:50 is the perfect example of being so done.
I like how Treebeard calls Gandalf "Young master" cause Treebeard is probably way older than Gandalf
On earth yes, but Gandalf is still far older.
@@l4d2_ellis20 The spirit/Maiar named Olorin is older, but the Istari Gandalf is not. The Istari were Maiar spirits clothed in mortal flesh. Unlike the elves, the Ents likely never knew what the Wizards were.
@@HenhousetheRed which is basically what I said when I specified “on earth”.
Treebeard is actually older
"Young master Gandalf"
that's it, he killed it right here
Saruman, your staff is broken!
Saruman: NANI??
Correction, it's actually: "Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru, Saruman."
get out of here with this weeb shit
Witch King :- Gandalf your staff is broken
Does anyone else find it a bit funny that Treebeard calls Gandalf "young Master Gandalf"? Seeing as Gandalf is like, older than the universe itself
Considering that treebeard is old and wise. It's not suprising at all because not many people/creatures in middle earth know Gandalf is a maia
Gandalf came in the third age and is 2000 years old. Treebeards on the other hand are 20000 years old
kunns123 I swear, age is basically power level in lotr.
@@kunns123 in flesh yes, but his spirit is as old as universe.
@@armagananteplioglu9031 No Treebeard is way older than Gandalf, Gandalf is a Maia which are considered lesser angels compared to Valar, Maia simply werent alive during the Song of Creation and Treebeard is described as the oldest being in Middle Earth to the point he saw first acorn grown, first rain drop fall etc
2:07 The jump cut where he goes from looking somewhat reasonable to abruptly becoming completely insane is just so good.
Christopher Lee is an awesome Saruman
Still probably the most brutal death in the whole trilogy, the absolute Thud as he lands on the spokes of a wheel is ruthless
I love that Saruman roast the fellowship lol
I like how the villain knew, with surgical precision, how to break their will. The type of enemy I can respect.
Gandalf sacrificed his friends, dwarves and hobbits, to complete his mission. Tempted him with that which he was afraid of.
Aragorn the Strider, a forgotten relic of the past.
Théoden, the king who failed to protect his people.
Yes, Saruman, Sauron and the Mouth of Sauron all knew how to psych out their enemies by making them lose hope.
Can't wait to see the "Sauron's Own 1st Psychological Warfare Division, Army of Mordor," composed of assassins (basically today's commandos and special forces), defectors, saboteurs, spies, Istari (Saruman), and Nazgul (Witch-king of Angmar).
'Something festers in the heart of Middle Earth, something that you have failed to see' Never understood this line.
Given that he holds the palantir out when he says it, he most likely is referring to the fact that Denethor is losing his mind, since Denethor also possesses a palantir.
This is great. This makes Saruman character actual sense
This is my first time seeing this scene. That explains SO much as to how he finds the Palantir in the water. I wish this would have been left in the theatrical release.
I can't believe they cut this out of the theatrical version. Sauruman was the main villian for two movies and peter jackson just said "nah fuck it, lets just say he is the tower and won't come out" 😂
I was wondering why Saruman didn't show up and how the Palantir was in that water. After seeing the extended version, I'm at least satisfied.
I love how, despite in the books Saruman dies at The Shire, they respected the original death in the books being betrayed by Grima who fed up of being treated like a scoundrel. It's a kinda original scene to raise even more how spectacular Christopher Lee's acting was.
Damn, this is like one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy, it's insane that it wasn't in the theatrical release. Christopher Lee was robbed.
Shooting a fireball at the guy wearing the ring of fire. Hate it when that happens.
Save your pity and your mercy, I have no use for it!
Anyone notice that Theoden did not mention the death of his son when listing Saruman’s crimes
Maybe he blames himself, or maybe this scene was cut fairly early in quality control.
5:34
Obi Wan Kenobi: Another Happy Landing :D
Looks like Saruman lost the high ground
Damn the shoes of middle earth 6:05 are awesome
That actor who played Saruman actually was attached to the wheel and was submerged past his boots on it, no visual effects for that part of the scene
BM soup His name was Christopher Lee.
@@thebigchap101 I would bet that the actor who actually got submerged though was not elderly Christopher Lee, but rather a stunt man whose job was to be the body on the wheel for that shot.
@@Entertainer114 well you don’t say...
This scene in the book is one of my favorites because it was the first accounting for Saruman's betrayals of Middle-Earth. Saruman tries to sweet-talk the party, Theoden refuses his overtures, and Gandalf renders judgment, breaks Saruman's staff, and casts him out of the wizard's order. Even though I found Tolkien exhausting to read at times (e.g. Council of Elrond), this passage was gripping.
I understood why Jackson was compelled to cut the scene, implying that Saruman was felled in battle. I understand why he elected to not include the Scouring of the Shire, putting instead the deaths of Saruman and Wormtongue in this scene. But I always thought that the initial cut was a missed opportunity to show just how good Tolkien could be as a storyteller, and I was so happy to see this in the extended cut, distilled though it is.
1:37 love that camera shot! 👌🏻
Rest In Peace Sir Christopher Lee. He could keep secrets you know? Wonderful film career. And he could sing too
Johan Jonatan ”Jussi” Björling RIP too
Best of the theatrical re-release was finally getting to see this scene on the big screen. Amazing.
Notice how the good guys did not rise to the insults with anger and rebuke. This is how I wish I could be.
Ive seen this movie countless times and have never seen this extended scene before thank you
Love that Theoden are so passionate and protective over his people, he even had forgivness to grima
Can't believe they cut this scene out from the theatrical version but I'm glad they included it in the extended edition.
"Hooooom, young Master Gandalf..." Man, Treebeard is *old*
The best part of this scene, is that Gimli and Legolas had become such friends, they were not only riding on the same horse, but when Gimli told Legolas to shoot Saruman, he reacted without hesitation. They weren't just, guys or friends at this point, they were buddies.
poetic that he died cause Wormtongue stabs him in the back
Cracks me up every time this scene with how petty Saruman is being 😂
I like how Treebeard and the Ents occupied Isengard ensuring Saruman could not leave his tower for justice to be dealt with by the Ents human allies
this scene is so brutal and great, the fact they let him fall onto a water wheel... jesus lmao..
Saruman got stabbed two times and stood on his feet longer than a man with an arrow in his chest. My guess is because he is so strong and powerful.
He was still a Maia so it’s understandable
Saruman is pretty much the main antagonist in part 2, you cannot cut his epilogue
And he’s technically the main antagonist of Part 1 as well
Two scenes that should NOT have been left out of the normal version for sure: A. the skull avalanche and the full meeting with the ghosts B. THIS
Love how they're probably 100s of feet apart, but speak as if they're 10 feet away from each other XD
WHY didn't they show this???? SUCH a perfect scene, necessary even
Gimili: this fuckin guy, fuck him up fam
Legolas: Already on it
theodens retort always gives me goosebumps. its like what id like to say to all the warlords, bureaucrats, politicians, and evil bastards of this world..
in the book, it is said that Saruman's words are so bewitching (both due to his arguments and his magic) that of all the people in Middle Earth, only Gandalf, Galadriel and maybe Aragorn could have avoided being ensnared by him. You can hear the whisper overlaid with Saruman's voice at 0:40 to illustrate this
The Lord Of the Rings trilogy might be the only franchise where people dont mind the movie being longer, or they might be even mad that it wasnt longer.
3 hours? MORE!
Frankly, I was so disappointed when the lights came up at the end of Fellowship. I was like, it's not going to keep going? wtf
Gimli and Legolas being besties here
5:01 - What I fantasize doing to my horrendous boss whenever she scolds me for something beyond my control.
Usually one would do best not to openly talk of your daydreams of murder.
True courage is not about knowing when to take a life, but about when to spare one.
I think some people can only sympathize with either the unfortunate victim or the heroic protector. They're so naively incapable of malevolence, that I imagine they wouldn't recognize it even if it stood at arms length.
@JimmySteller Are you his boss?
If Christopher Lee's delivery of these lines was this great, imagine how wonderful the Scouring of the Shire could have been.
Wizard literally thousands of years old " _Young_ master Gandalf"
Tree is like 10 times older
gandalf probably older, his spirit that is. but not by much. his physical form was much younger than treebeard though
Gandalf the "White" is like a week old (since his resurrection) lol
The music really goes well under theodens speech
We were robbed of such a good scene. 😢
I don’t see any mention of it here in the comments so I gotta shout out Brad Dourif’s acting in this scene, and overall. The guy had a relatively small part in these films but he absolutely killed it. Really great and underrated actor
"But there is a wizard to manage here" Why so many god damn good quotes this film...
I had chills when I read this part.
Well that's bullshit because it never happens in the books.
@@averagedude9378 It kind of did, of course Saruman didn´t die here in the books, but still, the parley still happened.
I feel bad for Grima. He finally gets to redeem himself only to get killed by Legolas
Actually he didn't redeem himself he killed someone.
@Matthew G Ministries -Baritone/Tenor 2 Bruh, it's a war. Do you know how Gandalf and his company killed? Before you say Orcs don't count, they are still living beings. They were once elves after all.
You: Such a great scene.
Me, an intellectual: Theoden's horse is pooping at 0:10.
Saruman hates horses like Anakin Skywalker hates sand.
Truly, this is a tremendous scene to somehow capture on film in this way. There's really a lot of subtlety in the structure of the dialogue. Very, very hard to get that dialed-in properly. But it's just another example of 1st-Rate filmmaking by Peter Jackson & Co.
They said that Fran Walsh & Philippa Boyen had a lot of involvement in the screenplay. There are just so many episodes like this that really needed subtlety and nuance to feel "right", so I wonder if was due to a team-based effort.
2:37 is what I want to tell people when they piss me off sometimes.
And this is what you get for saying it 3:34
@@LichlordKazam nop
@@jeffreyjeffrey2263 How dare you defy me?! You will get the belt for this, son!
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Find it funny how treebeard calls him "young master gandalf"
Young master Gandalf, I’mmmmmmmm glad you’ve come
Merry and pippin after Saruman dies: wtf
freaking amazing scene.
Theoden’s speeches be ready to have you go to war! I love it everytime!