What Goes Into Mountain Bike Tyre Development? | Tyre Talk With Vittoria's Ken Avery

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  • @rantingwrench
    @rantingwrench 4 года назад +31

    "Your knob doesn't just flop over and rip off"
    Thank god for that!

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад +5

      😂 We were wondering if anyone would have any alternative interpretations of that 🤔

  • @LostInIce4
    @LostInIce4 4 года назад +17

    I just upgraded from Maxxis Minion to the Vittoria Martello tlr G2. What a tire! Rolls better. Better grip. More predictable. Confidence boost!

    • @ulukai_555
      @ulukai_555 4 года назад +1

      I'v had the Maxxis minion original mount on mine, never liked it, the coumpound is too hard.
      I've chande to Schwalbe Magic Mary, they're amazing, I'd like to try Victtoria's tyres though.

    • @Jeppelelle
      @Jeppelelle 4 года назад

      @@ulukai_555 Did you have the 60 or 120TPI Minions? I had the 120TPI & it has been the softest & most comfortable tire i've used so far, in contrast, all Continental tires i tried feels like a solid rock even at 14PSI, fast as hell though but not fun to get a brain haemorrhage every time i ran over a pebble ;)

    • @vittoria
      @vittoria 4 года назад +2

      Awesome to hear!

    • @LostInIce4
      @LostInIce4 4 года назад

      @@vittoria one other thing I just noticed. I do the same run everyday, rough downhill path with rocks. The Martello tlr G2 is so smooth on such rough terrain. I'm running the same air pressure as I did on the Maxxis Minion, but they do not have this level of plushness coupled with solid predictability. This must be down to your 4 different types of rubber compounds? I have never ridden the turns so fast before. Thanks to the whole team Vittoria.

    • @LostInIce4
      @LostInIce4 4 года назад

      @@Jeppelelle 60 TPI.

  • @StuartKerrison
    @StuartKerrison 4 года назад +8

    I got interested in what Vittoria are doing a few months ago, and now I'm running the Agarro on the back and Martello on the front. So fast, so grippy. I'm a total convert to Vittoria tyres now.

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад +1

      Nice! Good to hear you're enjoying them Stuart!

    • @simedinson984
      @simedinson984 4 года назад

      I did the same on the road side and I am never going back to any other brand

    • @dk.650
      @dk.650 2 года назад

      The best IMO.

  • @the_spanner_ch7mp
    @the_spanner_ch7mp 4 года назад +2

    Very interesting video Doddy.
    Well after watching this I'm glad I chose some Vittoria tyres after alot of looking into what I needed, my Barzos turned up yesterday.
    Impressed how good they feel whilst fitting, seated on my rims with just a track pump too!
    I'll be out this evening after I've fitted the rear tyre and added my sealant to both.
    Awesome stuff #GMBNTech 👊

  • @adrianwilkinson2547
    @adrianwilkinson2547 4 года назад +3

    A really enjoyable and informative chat, it’s good to see Graphene technology invented in my home town, Manchester, being used in MTB.

  • @Gamebit450
    @Gamebit450 4 года назад +12

    Interesting video, made me want to take another look at Vittoria tires.

    • @andrewlevine3364
      @andrewlevine3364 4 года назад +1

      Same

    • @Dark__Thoughts
      @Dark__Thoughts 3 года назад

      Cheaper than Maxxis too. Err, or should I say, "their competitor".
      The weight worries me a bit though, and unfortunately they don't offer the trail casing in black.

  • @DanielFlood94
    @DanielFlood94 4 года назад +7

    I've got mezcal's front and rear on my XC and its perfect for long days on trails and thanks the central ridge rolls damn quick on tarmac too, commuting on the thing has been great

    • @vittoria
      @vittoria 4 года назад +3

      The Mezcal is the holy grail of xc tires

    • @Theriver56
      @Theriver56 4 года назад

      I second this. They are perfect for my local gravel and xc

    • @wernervandermerwe8422
      @wernervandermerwe8422 4 года назад

      I went from Aspens to a mezcal in the front. do i even have to say anything else? tons of grip, rolling speed and saved my ass in looser terrain a couple of times. Got a Barzo in the mail and will put the barzo front, move mezcal to the rear as soon it arrives to see if i want to run 2x mezcal or barzo mezcal combo. Still have to ding my rims to get snakebites or get sidewall seepages but the stability from the sidewall feels much better so I'm pretty sure that is also better in the "cape cobra" version.

    • @stevem9191
      @stevem9191 2 года назад

      @@wernervandermerwe8422 Barzo up front when it gets soft, rain, or winter

    • @wernervandermerwe8422
      @wernervandermerwe8422 2 года назад

      @@stevem9191 Yeah been running the barzo mezcal combo all year. This will be my XC tyre combo forever, the barzo has got excellent grip and rolling resistance.

  • @chumpmtb2554
    @chumpmtb2554 4 года назад +1

    I finally took a chance and decided to try Vittoria. I bought a set of Martello's, and man were they fantastic! Absolutely the best grip-vs-rolling tire I've ever used. Unfortunately, I had 3 rear flats in the 1st 3 weeks. Twice in the same day, on the same 1/4 mile of trail! All 3 punctures were identical. Inside corner knob tears that took 2 Stan's darts each to plug, and all were on the same side of the tire. This led me to think perhaps this tire was defective, and since I only had it 3 weeks, I emailed Vittoria for advice and perhaps a replacement, if they agreed it might be a defect. Sadly, I never got a response from Vittoria and had to go back to the, less desirable, Maxxis because I never puncture those. However, I kept the Martello on the front, because I'm addicted to the cornering performance. It's too bad. I really believe the performance of those tires are fantastic..

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад +1

      Sorry to hear about that Chump MTB! How were you getting in touch with Vittoria may we ask? If they're anything like us then their team will work hard to cover social media outlets but due to volume sometimes content may go unanswered. We'd suggest an email or contact via their website might work best. Glad to hear the front Martello is working out for you, so much grip!

    • @chumpmtb2554
      @chumpmtb2554 4 года назад

      I emailed their U.S. website.

  • @raydaggers5773
    @raydaggers5773 4 года назад +1

    Great video, THANKS! My next setup Agarro back, Mazza front.

  • @chrisorr3919
    @chrisorr3919 4 года назад +18

    I enjoyed this even though they're a sponsor of GMBN. It would be cool to hear about bike design and engineering ect from Canyon

    • @junkimonkey7790
      @junkimonkey7790 4 года назад +1

      Listen to the “downtime - the mountain bike podcast”. He’s had on Fabian barel and lots of other bike industry designers. There’s lots of goodness on there if design and engineering is your thing.

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад +4

      It's important to remember that we're always trying to get info that applies to the field as a whole, right? So the huge amount of knowledge that Ken has is applicable to 'tyres' as a field, before we get into the specifics about the cool new product Vittoria have that we're hear to bring you extra info about!

    • @TobyTW
      @TobyTW 4 года назад

      @@gmbntech have you guys got a vittoria discount code? Looking at getting some new tyres and would love to run theirs.

  • @alexstevens479
    @alexstevens479 4 года назад

    Another great insight - and thank you for including my question.

  • @Nornagest84
    @Nornagest84 4 года назад +1

    I wasn't impressed with the first answer, but I guess it would be very hard to really explain, how you develope a tread pattern. 😅
    Really interesting video, thanks!
    I must admit, your last Vittoria video really hit home with me and I got some Mezcals for my bike a little while ago. And I'm very happy with them. 👍

    • @Nornagest84
      @Nornagest84 4 года назад

      @Andrew Dodd He definitely did well!

  • @jimitoms8763
    @jimitoms8763 4 года назад +1

    Recently put a Martello on my rear wheel and I'm in love. Grip for dayyyyzz on my trails which are predominately granite slabs and rooty loam. I am very excited to put the Mazza on the front when it's time for a new tire.

    • @vittoria
      @vittoria 4 года назад +2

      it also has mad grip!

  • @Willdrknght
    @Willdrknght 4 года назад +2

    Great interview, definitely rethinking my next tyres now .

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад

      So much info that we don't think about on a day to day basis!

  • @claymcclendon
    @claymcclendon 3 года назад

    Ken Avery is the man!!

  • @joshporter5773
    @joshporter5773 4 года назад +2

    Swapped to Continental a couple of months ago, love them. Might give Vittora a go

  • @neilgeorge1795
    @neilgeorge1795 4 года назад +2

    I have barzos on my hardtail and they are bulletproof , all the other brands should take note of the way vittoria are making massive strides towards developing a tyre that does what it says on the tin

    • @stevem9191
      @stevem9191 2 года назад

      They look just like continental XKings .. at least the lug layout

  • @DanRoddy
    @DanRoddy 4 года назад

    Genuinely informative again, Doddy. Great video.

  • @rayred74
    @rayred74 4 года назад +3

    Looking to replace my Maxxis High rollers - will give Vittoria a go

  • @nerdepreacher7787
    @nerdepreacher7787 4 года назад +1

    Doddy would you be able to do a video explaining how different sized front chain rings on a 1x effects the gear ratio?

  • @Theriver56
    @Theriver56 4 года назад

    I tried some mezcal tires on my hardtail for gravel/xc riding. I really love them. I can run real low pressures and the side walls stay stiff. Plus they are only 525g a pop. Really makes the bike quick to accelerate and zippy.

  • @jellesnellings3547
    @jellesnellings3547 4 года назад +2

    Hey guys! I'm looking to this new bike from ON-ONE, the HELLO DAVE model. It's a hardtail with 150 mm of travel and a whopping 62° head angle. I would love to hear some thoughts about this monster since they say it's capable of doing DH. Thanks a lot!

  • @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567
    @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567 4 года назад +3

    I'm looking to buy more vittoria tires 😁

  • @guillermoqueirolo6533
    @guillermoqueirolo6533 4 года назад

    Great !! Good information for me because my bike actualy wear a Vittoria tires and i wanted to know the features.
    Nice programme, thank you !

  • @MrUnl0rd
    @MrUnl0rd 4 года назад

    Awesome vid, thanks guys!

  • @Simon-cb4bq
    @Simon-cb4bq 4 года назад +1

    Just ordered an MAZZA 2,6 29 front and a MAZZA 2,4 29 rear :D

    • @michaeldelapena8534
      @michaeldelapena8534 3 года назад

      How are they holding up? I’m interested in making the jump to Vittoria. How’s the weight? Rolling resistance? I was thinking of Mazza front.. not sure what size yet, then Martello rear.

  • @tsalesto
    @tsalesto 4 года назад

    Thanks Doddy and Ken. Great vid with loads of good info.

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад

      Thanks for watching Timo!

  • @cliffsangelsphotography
    @cliffsangelsphotography 4 года назад

    Great vid, Doddy. Perfect timing too, since I'm in the market for new tires. Running Assegai front/rear provides great grip, but wow they're heavy. I need something light and grippy

  • @shaunroach7829
    @shaunroach7829 4 года назад

    Great video 👍!!! I was running Vittoria Bombaloni 4.0 tires on my single speed fatbike and they were hot garbage. Compound was too stiff, the self steering was terrible at lower psi and heavy rolling resistance. I switched to Shwalbe Jumbo Jim’s 4.0 it’s like I got a new bike, more agile, less rolling resistance no self steer!!!

  • @ghostxfairy
    @ghostxfairy 4 года назад

    I've been wanting to try something other than Maxxis. Will definitely put these on my shortlist the next time I need to change tires.

  • @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567
    @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567 4 года назад +1

    I have the vittoria mezcal, saguaro, plus I still have geax tires👍

  • @george07448
    @george07448 4 года назад

    Excelent video, very very very interesting, i love the science behind our bicycle components and specially tires, great job

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it Jorge!

  • @cornishcactus
    @cornishcactus 4 года назад

    This was suggested on the Faceache group but tyres need to be demoed, either pickup a demo set from your local shop or maybe better yet a demo day at a local bike park. Turn up with your bike you know and love, do a lap to know what yours are like, have the team bung on their rubber and go see how it feels.
    Tyres are just too expensive to be chucking on to see if it's any good esp if you're swapping brands, trying your mates bike doesn't tell you much.
    These look like a good alternative to my DHF/R set up, but at what, 60 quid an end? I'm not going to try it.

  • @MaxMustermannnnnn
    @MaxMustermannnnnn 4 года назад

    Vittoria make the best road tyres. I love the Corsa Graphene 2.0. My next mtb tyres will also be Vittoria.

  • @karlj1717
    @karlj1717 4 года назад +1

    Yeah science 😁, really interesting video great questions and amazing answers more of this please 👍🏻

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @karlj1717
      @karlj1717 4 года назад

      I love stuff like this it’s amazing how much science and technology goes into tyres.

  • @stuarthay3369
    @stuarthay3369 2 года назад

    Does Vittoria use their 4C tech in the Mazza range only or in their other ranges?

  • @MG-eu1hs
    @MG-eu1hs 4 года назад

    Wow what a wonderful conversation! Thank you indeed. I still didn't catch he internal rim width to tire width thing though. I think I overshot it with my front wheel. I have a 23mm internal width and put a Maxxis Ardent 2.4 on there. I have had a burping and also a wash-out on a steep downward switchback. Fortunately I walked away with minor scratches. But I would like to know if the tire is too wide for the rim and if even a 25mm rim would work.

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад

      As a general rule, the wider the rim the less chance of burp and roll, if you pair the thinner rim with a thinner width tyre then it's pretty stable right? But if you have a thinner rim, and a big old surface up top, your wheel becomes kind of top heavy, meaning when you lean it over it's going to be less stable and want to deform towards the ground. So generally speaking, wider rim, wider tyre, thinner rim, stick to thinner tyres.

    • @MG-eu1hs
      @MG-eu1hs 4 года назад

      @@gmbntech Thank you. Indeed I figured that, but I was wondering what the limits or best combos would be. I think my bike would take max 2.4 up front and I would ideally like to pair that tyre with a 28mm rim. Getting a secondhand rim of 25-30 mm has been hard. I actually haven't found one yet. Then wen the rim is too wide, I run the risk of not getting the side knobs in a proper position to really get the traction. How would one pair these? Maybe just by experience, how have you paired them? These days your guys run 2.6 and 2.8 wide tyres, but what of the XC bikes? I have a very basic hardtail Silverback Spectra. I would like to get the most out of it and thought tyres is all I can really do to upgrade it with not much expense and a decent rim upgrade. The bike only cost R7500 (ZAR) which translates to about 350 pounds.

  • @danielcholewinski1110
    @danielcholewinski1110 4 года назад

    Is any brand of tire better than another or is it mostly down to personal preference?

  • @Jeppelelle
    @Jeppelelle 4 года назад +1

    It's a shame that Vittoria tires are so hard to get a hold on though, i want to try a Gato (27/2.2) & Barzo (27.5/2.35) combo, seems like an impossible task, almost no online store has Gato in stock, especially not the size i need & even harder to find someone who has both Gato & Barzo. Is the Vittoria distribution almost non-existent in Europe? Or is Gato EOL?

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад

      As far as we're aware the Gato isn't EOL right now, but we are aware of shortages of a lot of stock due to the unexpected impacts of COVID and the current global situation. Like us, we're sure the team at Vittoria are trying to keep ahead of all of their points of contact, but if they're like us they're bound to get a lot! Try contact them over an email address or their website directly if you've been trying by social media alone.

  • @LJS1605
    @LJS1605 4 года назад +2

    If you have a dent in your rim and dont run tubeless should you replace the rim. Does it increase the number of pinch punctures

    • @danieltindley3252
      @danieltindley3252 4 года назад +1

      It is a good idea to replace it but if you run tubes, you can very very carefully bend it back with some vice grips

    • @LJS1605
      @LJS1605 4 года назад

      Do you know what causes them

    • @raphaelroshwalb5500
      @raphaelroshwalb5500 4 года назад +1

      @@LJS1605 of you case a jump to hard our you land on a sharp rock. Another reason is just repetitive use, if it happened over a long period of time, your probably reaching the end of the rims life span

    • @Pastamistic
      @Pastamistic 4 года назад

      I'm running tubeless and dented a rim and it still seals up fine. The metal will be more fatigued there from being bent and reduce the life of the rim. I wouldn't bend it back which would cause the metal to fatigue further. Keep riding it but keep a close eye on how true the wheel spins and spoke tension. Start looking for the next rim or wheel set you want :)

  • @Momo_15-01
    @Momo_15-01 4 года назад +2

    Cool vid

  • @chrisfontaine6221
    @chrisfontaine6221 4 года назад

    what is the closest tire we have today that would be close to the old Nakain Gazza's?? It's the tire I miss most, it rolled so fast, had a ton of traction and seemed to last forever

  • @dionfernando9573
    @dionfernando9573 4 года назад

    #AskGMBNTech
    Hi gents, I have a problem with my drivetrain. I would pedal but then I'd randomly start freewheeling and I'd hear loud crunching noises from my cassette. At first I thought the chain was slipping so I bought a new cassette and a narrow-wide chainring as well as a new chain. Installed them all but the problem persists. I think it's the hub not engaging properly. Even when it does engage there is about 90 degrees of free pedal play before it engages. What's the solution?

  • @adamcallow5023
    @adamcallow5023 4 года назад

    #AskGMBNTech apart from the change in geometry, is there a reason that I can't/shouldn't change my 2019 trek Roscoe from a 27.5+ with 120mm suspension into a mullet 29er with 140mm suspension? Great content btw guys, learning lots from your shows 👍

  • @raphaelroshwalb5500
    @raphaelroshwalb5500 4 года назад +1

    #askgmbntech I am building a frame with a 184 x 44mm rear shock size how far can I stretch from the number as that is a pretty niche size. Can I get let's say for example a 185x 47.5 mm or like 190x 50mm. In essence how far can I stray from manufacturer recommendations.

  • @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567
    @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567 4 года назад

    I use to work for a automotive warehouse

  • @MrGallade475
    @MrGallade475 4 года назад

    Also about price, a 70-90 dollar MTB tire is the best of the best for MTB performance. A 100 dollar car tire doesn't even come close to being the best car tire around, let alone being usable for racing (unless we're talking about ultra-budget racing series like Formula Vee)

  • @PabloLorEst
    @PabloLorEst 4 года назад

    Super interesting video!! 😍

  • @21sparxx
    @21sparxx 4 года назад

    Hi team GMBN.
    I love your videos and they helped me progress a lot a a rider both on the trails and how to service and set up properly.
    I am looking to find out about demo days or try before you buy events, and I was wondering if you or any of the community have any suggestions?

    • @raphaelroshwalb5500
      @raphaelroshwalb5500 4 года назад

      Go to your local bike shop and ask. Gmbn won't this. You have to put in ur comment #askgmbntech

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад

      Thanks for watching Steven! Like Raphael has said, Bike shops are a great place to start if they've got a specific model they'll at least let you sit on it and get a feel for it. You can always look up local bike festivals or race series to see which brands sponsor and you can contact them to ask if they'll be demo-ing at a particular event, or look it up in that event's programme. However, due to COVID and the cancellation of a lot of events, this might be your least desirable option for now.

  • @chrisfontaine6221
    @chrisfontaine6221 4 года назад

    I really wish Vittoria made more 26'er tires

  • @owenmitchell8532
    @owenmitchell8532 4 года назад

    Hi, I've got Rockshox Sektor forks and I am trying to add tokens to it but there isn't a thread on the inside of the air top cap. Can I buy a new top cap for it, cheers.

  • @chiccorocker
    @chiccorocker 4 года назад

    Well I think I know what my next tire set is going to be ;)

  • @dennisvessey3543
    @dennisvessey3543 4 года назад

    Was really hoping for an answer on why are solid rubber tyres not used surely we have the technology to make them work well now

    • @gmbntech
      @gmbntech  4 года назад

      We think it's just weight Dennis! A solid tyre would be very heavy, considering most people don't want the weight to exceed the rough numbers that brands are able to hit now!

  • @josiahgolding7826
    @josiahgolding7826 4 года назад +1

    Hi!

  • @charlie9ine
    @charlie9ine 4 года назад

    So, this makes me want to go out and buy Victoria tyres… but, I’m pretty sure the Maxxis and Continental reps would sound just as convincing. How do we sort out all the options and find the right tire for our specific conditions and our riding styles? Can’t really test drive them and then take them back to the shop

    • @stevem9191
      @stevem9191 2 года назад

      like that with any purchase/product. Test, try friends, read reviews etc.

  • @kevindeweese8775
    @kevindeweese8775 4 года назад

    #AskGMBNTech
    I had a question about indoor trainers for MTB. I know there are a ton of options but what will fit a 29x2.4? Cheers!

  • @joeprince3585
    @joeprince3585 4 года назад

    #askGMBNtech. I've had some grit get into my suspension seals and it's caused a scratch on the stanchions I've tried everything to get it out and it's still in there. Do you have any ideas please?

  • @paulus33
    @paulus33 4 года назад

    #AskGMBNTech
    Hi Gents, looking for a bit of advice. What tyre combo would you recommend for riding trails that are a mix of hard pack and looser sandy / stoney sections? I’m riding a 27.5 full sus bike. I’m looking for confidence inspiring grip. Cheers!

  • @carravagio16
    @carravagio16 4 года назад +1

    take my money vittoria

  • @jamminhunter
    @jamminhunter 4 года назад +9

    This video was tiring... I’ll see myself out...

  • @NDURcycling
    @NDURcycling 4 года назад +2

    Still searching for the perfect tire. Fast rolling and massive grip 😂🤷‍♂️

    • @raphaelroshwalb5500
      @raphaelroshwalb5500 4 года назад

      Maxxis rekon

    • @NDURcycling
      @NDURcycling 4 года назад +2

      @@raphaelroshwalb5500 Rekonstruktionen has no grip

    • @andreamazzon3254
      @andreamazzon3254 4 года назад

      Vittoria Martello is the choice for you (fast rolling and aggressive grip)

  • @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567
    @Fixingeverthingwithaengine567 4 года назад

    What happened to the saguaro tire

  • @p199a
    @p199a 4 года назад

    good video

  • @rasmusnielsen8583
    @rasmusnielsen8583 4 года назад

    #AskGMBNTech hi tech crew.
    Im looking for some New Grips i ride some light trails red, Black and blue.
    I thinking about buying either the Ergon GA2 or the GE1 EVO, do You have some advice, THANKS :)

  • @hollyvienneau949
    @hollyvienneau949 4 года назад

    If I'm early does he reply?

  • @badlarry172
    @badlarry172 4 года назад +1

    i hate it when your nob flops over and rips off
    did he really say that?
    27:32 yeh he did

  • @TheNik604
    @TheNik604 4 года назад

    I hope is not the same compound like GEAX , was not good at all

  • @janskyrigs5170
    @janskyrigs5170 4 года назад

    Wish i had a vittoria tire. 🤤🤤🤤

  • @TheWebstaff
    @TheWebstaff 4 года назад

    A: Rubber?.

  • @zwitch7635
    @zwitch7635 4 года назад

    Hardtail or front sus fat bike

  • @bodieterrill
    @bodieterrill 4 года назад +1

    Michelin is king!

  • @WanderingSword
    @WanderingSword 4 года назад

    that '80s porn mustache

  • @tomskid27
    @tomskid27 2 года назад

    That Vitorra rep is full of shit as to his answer to the high cost of tires!

  • @jontytilley5670
    @jontytilley5670 4 года назад

    First

  • @stevem9191
    @stevem9191 2 года назад

    like he said they all designed based on int. 20-21mm yet those tires were all different from comp. to comp. lol Just say theres no int. standards for a base width