Grippy Tyres Vs Fast Rolling Tyres | Which Is Faster?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Tyres, being your only point of contact with the ground, are arguably the most important component of your mountain bike. What should you choose? There is always a compromise; more grip will result in increased rolling resistance, and a faster rolling tyre will often have less traction in certain conditions. But which is faster? Neil took to the woods to find out.
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Would you rather run a tyre with more grip or less rolling resistance? Let us know in the comments!
More grip for sure
More grip I love a nice chunky tyre
I have 650 enduro bike with minions front and rear and 29 hard tail with tan wall wtb vigilante front and and trail boss rear.
And difference is night and day!
@@Pay2winps they look more bad ass as well🤣
@deanracer they sure do too hahaha
Can we talk about how nice this video is edited?
I was thinking the same thing: While Neil is great to watch on camera, the editing really stands out in a positive way!
How so? It doesn't even feature a graphical representation of the numbers.
@@Dark__Thoughts Music flow, well-placed J and L cut b-roll, great pacing throughout
Amen to that.
agreed, good video with awesome skill form Neil
Makes sense to me. The industry has been constantly moving toward more forgiving, more confidence inspiring equipment. Cross-country remains fastest, it just puts people out of their comfort zone.
Man this guy can ride like a turbo charged world rally car through the bush! Wasn't expecting such a great controlled test either. Amazing channel thanks for getting me back into riding again
please do a test comparing how hard you can take a turn with an off road tyre, and a semi slick touring tyre, riding on gravel and mud etc
I feel way more comfy cornering off road than on-road with my knobbly tires. It's a good suggestion for an episode!
Great suggestion!
well that would require testing till tester crashes
Why don't you test crash and break bones yourself, then share results with us. Preferably while having a family to feed..... Very shortsided suggestion :-/ Even when Blake acts like he's crashing for the camera, he's doing slow speed, very controlled, mainly willing clunky-looking dismounts, just to make sure he doesn't dislocate something, or stab himself with a bike component. Even if they'd get full body armour sponsor, full speed corner crashing would still be very risky.
Washed out with Holy Rollers...Went and bought Minon DHF's....Best decision ever!!
Minons for the win.
Bought them as well for front, very good tire
For me I have a holy roller on the front but I also have to ride to the trails so I need low rolling restaince
but Holy Rollers are street tires, of course you'll wash out into next week
@@antoanangelov5672 actually I think I have a maxxis high roller 2 on the front
I like the continental mountain king tyres, they grip super well on the hard packed trails I ride and they still roll pretty fast too. I personally don't like having super grippy dh/enduro tires, it just feels sluggish on regular trails or places that arent super steep
But the sound, the sound of that tacky compound on the trail, the next day after rain.....droool
But really totally agree with you
I run Vittoria Barzos on a Niner Jet9 (short travel 29er) and love them. I switched from Maxxis Ardents and the bike came alive being a bit lighter and more forgiving on longer rides.
Thanks for the great vids you guys do👍
Love this tips off videos thanks for the help
Love ur vids ❤️
Always have good tips 🤟🚲💨🥵
On my XC hardtail I used Hans Dampf on front and Nobby Nic rear. These tyres have good balance between grip and rolling resistance.
I run Maxis Minions DH on my bike, i would prefer a grippy tire because it gives you more confidence downhill. thanks for the video
When I got back into mountain biking a few years ago, I went from about a 2.0 width 26" tubed xc/trailish style tire on my late 90's Cannondale to the further extreme on my new bike of a 27.5" 2.8 width trail/enduro set of tires w/heavy casing. I have sense backed off from that to find an equilibrium of about 2.4-2.6. For instance, on my (now preferred) 29ers, I have 2.6 Maxxis Icons on my full suss and for my hardtail, I run WTB Vigilante and Ranger at 2.5 and 2.4 widths. Even this autumn, w/leaves covering the trail, I haven't really been too short on grip in either case.
My preference lately has been the lighter weight, more xc specific Icons but I won't say that I mind the added grip of trail tires with a slight speed penalty- especially if riding trails that I am not familiar with. My son runs Maxxis Rekons and they may be the best of both worlds although for me, I'd likely opt for a Rekon Race at the rear wheel.
I guess that I put more of a premium on rolling resistance than grip. Tire width for me is as much about comfort as it is performance.
Im from the Philippines. I'm riding a 29er bike. Now because of this video i just ordered a CST Jack rabbit for my rear(fast rolling smaller tire knobs) and a CST Patrol for front(medium tire knobs for grip). My current set up is an XC 29er bike. Both of those tires I ordered are 29x2.25. Cost me $60 and its already skinwall ( good for my eyes lol). Im on a tight budget so that all I can buy. Thanks for this video! Very convincing and informative. 👍😁
I run Conti Trail Kings on my Enduro hard tail and I love them! I'll switch to Conti Der Kaiser's for next year's race season 👍🏽
Wouldn’t it be cool to have an extra carbon wheelset just for putting on different tyres😂😂🤦♂️
The joys of the job hah
@Anas Jawad Or sponsor.. 😂
@@MTBbible alright sponsor me bro
I kind of found a solution to that. I have an enduro bike but I also commute to work. My commuter is a 29er hardtail with wheels that fit between bikes. Not carbon I know and not even quality rims but it is fun to swap and feel the difference. My first experience was very positive as the bike felt all light and nimble and in generally easier to ride playfully.
Overtime I managed this by buying a really cheap alloy set used from someone (The wheels didn't even match brands) and eventually sold the bike I used them on at a discount and kept the carbon rims. Got a new bike and did exactly what you said. Swapped wheels for XC riding versus bike park. If you have a bike that comes with carbon wheels you can probably get a cheap alloy set to put DH tires on for like $300 bucks. Add some rotors and you've got two different bikes for an additional $400 bucks.
I ran over a Year Nobby Nic 2.25 from Schwalbe but now I changed for this Winter to Hans Dampf 2.35. Looking forward to testing them on my home trails.
This video was exactly what I needed!😀
Love the videos! More of of trailie tire. Any suggestions would be helpful!
In front downhill tire in, rear xc tire. Enough grip and sooo fast!
I've got a vittoria morsa in front and a maxxis aspen in the back. I like it, but I wish I knew how shallow the Aspen was
what about going uphill in the mud then?
XCs in the summer, Enduros in the winter for me
value confidence and safety over some seconds during the muddy season
100%
Gunna try that now autumn's hit the uk, I'm happy on a soft compound xc through summer, even through gnarl, just gage your limits. 100%knew he'd be faster on the loop
Great video very helpful and interesting 👍
Nice to see Neil riding my local trails
Big and grippy every time for me. I'll happily sacrifice a few seconds for more fun.
I went from a air of wtb rangers to minions, i have some big verdict judge duo for the real winter. Changing to the minions made such a difference for unofficial trails the feeling of confidence going around a damp corner is something else
Rory Farrell what were the minions like on the official trails though?
Well, Neil has the skills to ride less grippy tires. Most of us need that extra grip to even stay on track! ;-)
Assegai front, Dissector rear. So god tier grip up front, and a fast rolling enduro tire out back, and they are designed to work as a combo so it works amazingly well. No matter how steep and loose trail conditions get, I can always control my line with the Assegai. No separate summer/winter combos in Colorado, we do not ride wet trails as our trail surfaces will be damaged and severely rutted if you ride it wet, it's not like the PNW or UK where the soil drains well.
Soil drains well in the UK?! LOL! Mate, my local trails are clay! they're still sodden and slippy af in September from the start of spring!
@Neil THX for your great video. I‘ve got. ohne question, when you change your wheels, do you also change the brakepads? Please go on, I get more and more fun with biking when watching GMBN. At the moment I am using Schwalbe Racing Ray and Ralph also on the trails.
wow thank you for this video reviews!
Running Vittoria Agarro rear / Martello front 22/21 psi on short travel FS trail bike. Gets up everything, gets down everything. Great set-up.
awesome combo right there!
Same compo here on similar bike! Also have set of Barzo’s on other wheels that I use during summer on easy trails. Now it is wet & muddy everywhere so Agarro/Martello is great
I love the Barzo/Mezcal combo for faster trails especially when dry.
Conti Der Baron 2.4 up front, Conti Trail King 2.4 in the rear. Pretty happy with them so far!
Onza Porcupine 2.4's on my 5010 v3. Seem spot on for UK trails most of the year.
I mostly ride XC/Trail on my Specialized Stumpjumper. Some chunk but more flow. Last year I switched from the OEM 2.35 Butcher/Purgatory combo to a Maxxis 2.4 DHR2/Dissector combo. I definitely noticed that they were slower but had much better grip. Almost too much grip from the DHR2 on my front for what I ride. While I did try to ride more aggressively on turns I'm going back to my Butcher/Purgatory combo this year because I want more speed. When those wear out I might try putting the Dissector in front with a Rekon in the back.
Front: vittoria MOTA
Rear: vittoria MEZCAL
29" XC Hardtail
hellz yeah!
I am just debating this setup, Are you riding these all year?
Front:mazza and rear Martello. It’s so fast and grippy
During the summer I used my trail Ibie to commute where I ran some old race kings. Now I swapped to "Der Baron" in the front and a "trail king" in the back.
I prefer a little more grip of extra safety.
Great video and cool music
I runMichelin DH22 and Wild Enduro Rear combo on natural trails. Best combo for me!
Nice video and really interesting test. Which would be the trail tyres you would use between enduro and xc as you said at the end of the video. I've realised so many times that would fit my bike/terrain, but don't really find this kind of tyres on the market. They are all to one side or another and I think I need some advice on buying them because maybe I'm not looking at the right product.
On my 160mm 29ner enduro, I run a maxxis assigai up front and a continental Der Kaiser rear. Yes, it's mis-matching, but they work really well together in my local rock and mud based trails
Assegai in mud is very bad...
Currently running a set of Maxxis Dissectors, which has got tons more grip than the previous bikes Maxxis Crossmark and Ardent combo. The new combo feels slow on tarmac etc.... (also 29 vs 26) , but I'll tell you, the extra grip I'm getting on the downhills is crazy.
I haven't yet timed the runs coz the new setup actually requires me to get better first🤦🏻♂️
I'm running Maxxis tires front and rear. Front: Assegai 27.5 x 2.5 - Rear: DHF 27.5 x 2.3
I run this setup year round with CushCore front and rear. We have some very rocky terrain in the Pacific NorthWest.
I experienced the weight difference to be a big game changer in these comparrisons
Maxxis Disector front, Rekon rear. Fast and grippy, playful on rear
This is next combo I'm trying!
I use the high roller2 and rekon as 2.8s on my plus bike, it works brilliant spring till autumn, not so great in winter when it gets slimy. Not sure if there's any fast rolling plus combo that works for the slop?
Best Combi front and rear for all year around in all types of conditions are Vittoria Agarro, on my hardtail xc the 2.35" wide tires and on my enduro the 2.6" wide tires
Wicked Will is a very good trail tire . I bought a used orbea alma which had fitted an enduro tire up front and an xc tire back. I swapped for maxxis ikon(xc) front and rear and it solely transformed the bike to a rocket in dry conditions and the uphill
Went from older, very worn Hans dampf and ardent to very new, wider and more aggressive magic Mary and ardent combo. It has made a huge difference to my rides - for the better. I am cornering much faster with way more confidence and no notable change in rolling speed. But, I must point out that the previous set of tires were virtually unusable - rear was slick and the front had all the knobs peeling off... So cornering was more of a suggestion than an action. 😬. But damn those magic Mary's have grip!
OMG!! THE NEW MEGA LOOKS SICK!!!
I'm running 29" Conti Baron front and Race King rear on a XC carbon hardtail race machine 😁 For snown and ice I ride Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pro. Last winter I rode on a frozen pont following someone on ice skates 🤣 his facial expression was priceless 😉
magic mary front, hans dampf rear. 29er and 2,35 both, on 30 mm rims
I actually run a slightly larger Maxxis wT on the front than the rear because we have rock gardens and loose dry gravel hear in the Texas hill country. When wet they can be slick , same for pressures of 24/27psi front /rear which lowers rolling resistance. I see riders with trail tires that don’t provide the best grip. You brought up good points to consider
XC FTW! Nice tunes on this video.
I am mainly just a normal everyday rider who likes to hit up some jumps or rail some berms, so I opt in for the more grippy enduro tyre for maximum grip and confidence (even though some of the tracks at my local trail system require a lot of pedalling, I don't really touch those ones unless I have to).
Just bought a new XC/Bikepacking bike, Marin Pine Mountain, and it is spec'd with 29x2.6 Vee Flow Snap rubber. I'm not a "Shredder" by any definition, but these seem like a great all-rounder if not a bit aggressive for hard pack paths.
Because I am more into XCM, I tend to choose to lessen rolling resistance. Continental X-Kings give me a good balance. We find a lot of sandy bits here, so I also opt for higher volume tyres that help me float over them.
A. E. Dumit I went from Continentals to Vitoria Barzo 2.2, a big difference for me.
Minion DHF front and Aggressor rear - best setup ever!! / or / Cross Kings, wider front - it's flying you hassle free and sounds like a wind too, pedalling power cut by half
Excellent video here.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Definitely prefer Fast Rolling Tyres
Maxxis Ikons front 3.35 and rear 2.25 for mostly cross-country and trail on my Niner RT9RDO, just play with pressure to compensate road conditions.
SCHWALBE
Front: Nobby Nic | Supertrail Soft
Rear: Nobby Nic | Supertrail Speedgrip
Thanks guys, timely video. On the south downs it's just starting to get muddy. So have just gone tubeless, lower pressure and changed from Fast trak on the back to a Nobby Nic 29x2.3. It seems a bit slower and harder work on the road (is that the lower pressure or the tyre?), but once i'm off road on the trails the extra grip is important for climbing through gloop and slippy chalk, and also for control on faster descents. Have so far kept a ground control on the front, mostly ok but it does wash out occassionally, will see how that goes and maybe change for something grippier.
You will find that your slower on the road is probably more likely to be lower tire pressure but the tire will have some input
@@jackwoodhouse2321 thanks, I might give it an extra few PSI and see if that works a little better.
Maxxis Minion DHR front and Aggressor rear on my Canyon Spectral 😁
The same on my giant. Good shit!
Same! Came this way from the shop 😊
That Vittoria Barzo tyre is an amazing tire for the front in combination with a even smoother runnen mezcal in the back. My new bike was fitted with the comparable Schwalbe combination, but that really does not give the front end trust I used to have especially when braking.
I run Minion Dhf on front and Dhr 2’s on the rear of my enduro bike and A high roller on the front of my hardcore Hardtail and Minion Dhr2 on the rear of that...tend to run the same all year really. Probably costs me time on climbs but can’t argue with the grip going down!
I run Schwalbe Racing Ralph TLS in the back and Racing Ray in the front TLS
always good grip at Eastridge , did you have to get away from the southern mud for this test neil ;-)
I run a ultra soft magic mary up front and then a harder compound rock razor outback. The front is super planted and really reassures you to throw it into the corners and the back is super playful and fun but has deep shoulder tread to save your bacon when it all goes south
Toby Norman I’ve run Minion DHF and Rock Razor rear as a summer combo for a few years but I just bought an ebike and found I shredded the rear side knobs fairly quickly. How has your rear tyre worn?
XC Bike, Tour and Trail use Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2021 29x2.35 front and rear. Feels great so far.
Quite happy with the wtb xc tyres and mostly use them all year long and have been tempted to get a pair 4c tyre that Vittoria have but unsure of price for 29er and also the tan sidewalls would look strange , p.s great video.
they do make grey walled ones
Michelin Wild Enduro's front and rear all year round. FOD is my local and they work well for me whatever the conditions.
I was having this same issue the last couple of months. My question is what medium trail grip tires would Niel recommend, that he mentioned at about 10:30. I am running DHF/Aggr on my FS and narrower racing ray/ralph on a lighter HT - my climber. Same terrain on the north shore. I am trying to find a mid weight tire, but not easy these days. The rays are slipping in the corners down, not braking as well, and the rear is slipping on some technical moves on rocks. I don't want to go heavy DHF, i'll just ride my other bike. To minimize weight gain, what do you think. Excellent video guys, and Niel. TY.
I find enduro on the front and xc on the back works best for me 99% of the time. You have the lower rolling resistance on the weighted rear tyre, more grip on the front where you really need it, and can flick the bike round hairpins easier. Best of all words.
The only caveat is that we have very sandy, fast draining soil here so mud is rare. The rocks are generally well weathered too, so puncturing isn’t an issue. Finally, any very steep sections are short-ish with some run-off.
I only really suffer a lack of grip when the trails are covered in wet leaves, but i just change tyres i winter. The sealant usually needs replacing by then anyway.
Just ride my DHF and DHR2 everywhere. I don’t race but I like to push it. At 48 I’m not looking to crash, so I’ll take grip and confidence to push it a bit harder with a grippier tire over a slightly faster tire that I’m riding right on the edge of disaster with. Plus, I like the burliness of it because when I go to the mountains with lots of rocks they hold up way better.
Yup, the do it all combo. There is a reason why it's the most popular combo around.
I Run a Minion SS rear on one bike. Makes things more interesting. Aggressor is fun for that too
Oh and by the way love the content very educational I don't think I could have done what I did without RUclips😮
I ride mostly with Continental Mountain King tyres. Very good rolling tyre with enough grip for all of my riding. When I want even less rolling resistance and can give up a bit from the grip then I ride with Schwalbe Rocket Ron tyres. Both of these tyres are very lightweight vs. their weight.
Vittoria e-Mazza 2.6 front & rear on my eMTB.
Don't like the Maxxis MaxxTerra tyres I,ve tried, maybe try some MaxxGrip versions at some point.
Live in Norway, lots of wet rocks, roots, dirt etc. Have had some Schwalbes in Soft which I also liked.
This is the vid ive been wanting for ages now😫😂
Dhf exo+ 2.5 front and highroller dd on rear 2.5. Great combo but thinking of trying something else incase there are better gripping tyres.
Nice video, I run trail (XC) tyres for trail (XC) riding, which is most trail centres in the UK and Enduro tyres for Enduro and the local gnarlier trails. If I am riding the local XC stuff and even the local wee jumps then the trail/XC tyres are on, the difference in rolling speed is very apparent at the jumps.
There is something nice about hitting a section of normal trail with trail tyres on, they also force you to weight the tyres with better form than an enduro tyre does. You might not be going fast enough to find the limit of grip on the enduro tyre, so bad form or lazy riding (both are me with Enduro tyres on) can work out alright.
You were less able to brake with the XC tyres, so presumably hit some sections faster than on the Enduro tyres.
Does that mean you could have hit the same sections at XC tyres speeds using the Enduro tyre, and have been even faster on the Enduro?
I run Conti Raceking Racesport on both my wheels with full pressure and they really feel great on the street and have way better grip than my old kenda tyres. (On my Dirtjumper)
They grip in loose trails?
Tires can really surprise those, that watch too much YT or read too much tire reviews(guilty as charged). The push is really towards the grippiest and bomb proof stuff. I have mostly flat area around my home, and at some point decided to run very light and low thread XC tires, firstly on my XC bike FOR WINTER, cause I'd ride more on tarmac and avoid too much mud-woods are mostly dry, snowy Poland is a history. Then I got first fully, did the same for the rear tire for all year, except mountain trips. So the tires were CST Beater(XC bike, fr&rear) Vee tire trax AM(trail fully, rear) Both those tires were amazing, bringing smiles of disbelief for what I was able to climb with them even on slippery top layer mud, for good cornering grip and for rear wheel drifts under power in the corners with slightest bank, even sandy ones. Just soo good and joyfull. And I did ride much better tires too, so I know what a tacky, high quality tire is capable of(for my capabilities at least)
"Use the gear to match what you ride most" is yet again proving to be very good advice.
I think most people are over tyred, I run barzo's and keep up with my mates with their enduro tyres no problems, most people aren't skilled enough to push their tyres to the limit, so that chunky enduro tyre is just sapping more of their energy.
Hans Damf all year round for me,as I use my one bike for everything...!!
Thinking about buying them on my trail hardtail too. Can you even go for a longer road ride with them? Have you ever done it? How many kms?
I was thinking of them as a compromise between X-King and Kaiser, would love to hear some opinions too.
@@richardgg2889 Theres 4 compounds in the ADDIX range..I use the hardest and are still using the same ones for 18 months,around 6000KM's...On and off road..Their not fond of wet roots though ..Ha !!
do a video about the vittoria terreno xc tires. I love them.
Interesting how pros run such high tire pressure, I suppose at the speed they run, hitting the rim is a real problem. Summer is the fantastic Maxxis Assegai EXO up front and a DHR2 rear, although Assegai rear works very well too. Rolling resistance is slow of course, but once you feel how they roll over onto the edge and overall grip on steep stuff, no going back. Often we'll put 40psi in for the 600m climbs and air down at the top 17psi/23psi for me but Assegai DH I can run like 15psi F/R. Winter is 45Nrth Wratchilds 4.6 studded on the fat bike, expensive but one of the few fat bike tires that have predictable edges to roll into while cornering. Cool video!
Now 29x2.25 racing ralphs. And there is set of vittoria mezcals waiting to next summer. If we get icy winter , then I put icespiker pro on front.
Stuck trying to find my new tire combo. Don't want squared of maxxis like everyone else seems to run. I like the rounded volume. I cannot decide!! Hans d's on now 27.5. But going to 29" for more speed skinnier tire in rear.
I’m taking my aggressive tyres of and going for xc trail tyres,for the amount of times I ride at parks doesn’t outweigh the times I ride my local trails.Just sluggish riding up hills.
Aggressive 29er hardtail with 2.6 tires, >100kg rider in full kit. Half of the trails I ride look like those in Finale Ligure (perfect for when it rains: no mud!), the other half is clay-like dirt, veeery slippery when wet, hard and dusty when dry. Now running Mazza in the front and Agarro in the back, both 2.6 trail casing, I'm enjoying them more than the previous Martello F/R same size same casing. The Mazza feels like it rolls faster than Martello, has more grip in corners, and sheds mud better. Thinking about having it as rear tire too, at some point in the future. I also like the fact that they cost a good 25% less than most other high end tires!
I have another idea that works for me. I ride quite advanced single track both uphill and downhill in middle of Sweden with a lot of rocks and roots. I use a hardtail, Barzo aggressive xc tyres front and back with cushcore xc inserts and low pressures. I had minion and dhf before but they were very slow on descents and on flat terrain. This combination is both fast and has enough grip as long as the mud isnt too deep
Neal...do you use different tires, front to back??
"Over-tyre," another new phrase, nice!
Barzo front all year round; Mezcal rear in summer and Barzo rear in winter; quite happy with that (but I don't ride very hard)
Please tell us what width tires you’re using along with tire pressure. I ride an e enduro and I’m curious if I play with width will that give me better all round performance. I run 2.6 but am thinking of 2.5 front and 2.4 rear soft compound front mid soft back.
Front Magic Mary (orange stripe) , Rear Butcher Grid or similar
Where was the Frankenstein test? Would love to see the difference of the enduro tyre on the front, xc on the back then xc on the front and enduro on the back.
I'm running the continental trail kings and really like them. I had the kenda honey badgers that came with the bike and they were good but the trail kings are more confidence inspiring than the honey badgers
video idea.... Cross country bike with enduro tires vs enduro bike with cc tires? maybe then vs a trail bike with trail tires?
hey can u tell me the name of the front mudguard ? 🙃
Wagwaan!
Big up Yaself,on dem glasses
Respek
I actually understood that haha.