I have put 400 miles on my Stelvio and I really love it. I am selling my Ducati Multistrada v4s because I prefer the Guzzi. Wind protection is great and the electronic screen is wonderful for me. Anyone complaining about weight is just trying to find something to complain about. Turn your handlebars all the way to the right she will pop right up with little effort. Gear box is improved over the Mandello, but I wish Ohlins suspension would be offered. The price is good in my opinion, a bunch cheaper than a GS and for me the Japanese cookie cutter bikes have no soul. Bravo Moto Guzzi, excellent machine.
Problem in Australia is that the dealer for Guzzi is also the supplier. So you’ve got nowhere to go in a warranty dispute. In comparison to BMW, BMW has a far superior warranty.
@btgmoto I also own a Ducati multistrada v4s, and I don't see where the Stelvio carries its weight any different. If you're worried about weight, don't get a full size adventure bike. The Stelvio is not really designed for hardcore off-road duty anyway. seems 890 Duke may be better suited for you.
@@Motomack1042 Multistrada V4, despite being glorious on the street, already got knocked off my list ages ago, and I totally agree, the Guzzi carries its weight similarly. In fact, they're both similar to the Africa Twin or an 850 GS. There are bikes that carry it lower though, for better and for worse. KTM/Husqvarna for example, with their 790/890/901 adventures, and BMW with 1200/1250/13000 GS, ride very differently and are way easy to handle at a standstill, car park speeds or on dirt. As I said in my review, the Guzzi handles superbly on the street, it was just the slow stuff that put me off. I wasn't 'looking for something' to fault, I was honestly just saying what I found to be a negative. I am looking for a bike like the 890 Duke for more track stuff and street antics (that's a sportsbike, naked thing), but I have my Tuareg 660 for the dirty and long distance stuff. I took a step down from a 1250 BMW last year specifically because the GS was getting dropped a lot off road, and the Guzzi would be even worse than that, for my use case. It's a great bike, and I can tell you really love yours. Enjoy it!
As an ex Guzzi Griso owner and serial boxer owner currently on a GS, I think I’d take thIs, although at 5’7” the ‘tall weight’ would probably have me choose the V100 Mandelo.
Love your style of the video, nice and interseting, mostly important, show the bike and your opinion clearly. Thank you for your share, please keep doing!
I drove the Guzzi V100 Mandello early last year. And I had the same impression of that engine. It´s great and very Guzzi like. The looks are beautiful for both bikes the Mandello and the Stelvio. The Mandello reminds me of the glorious times when the 850 LeMansIII was a thing! Typical Italian I´d say.. I had a little issue with the gearbox. It was a bit clunky. But after i came back from my test ride I realized I got the version without quickshifter 😱 For that it really was a smooth ride 😳
Nice report. I also ride a new Stelvio. The engine has a lot of power and the chassis is 95% great. In contrast to a GS, it still has character and is a lot of fun and exciting to ride. And for €16,000, it's a fabulous motorcycle. The GS is already over €26,000. I have to disagree with you on one point, though. Old Guzzis were just as reliable and had no defects. Most of the time, the owner's unprofessional repairs were to blame.
I saw this bike like one or two weeks ago in the internet and immediately thought it looks similar to the 660 Tuareg...This is a huge compliment. i personally love looks of all new Moto Guzzi's even though I am a bit too young to ride one of those I really appreciate how do they look. Since last FVR800 this Stelvio and V100 Mandello are first motorbikes I'd like to have and just watch. Absolutely stunning. Now, world please start doing beautiful bikes again...
G'day from Australia. So excited seeing you do the Stelvio. We got 5 Tuono's in the family and thinking of doing an Adventure bike for gravel roads (not going bush) in the future it'd have to be a choice between the two Piaggio stables.
@@btgmoto Thanks, I've got a '21 Tuono V4 1100 RR for the road and a '14 Tuono V4 1000 APRC dedicated track bike so the Tuareg seems the obvious next addition to explore other surfaces and longer rides as I sold my '20 KLX230 Dual Sport 12 months ago.
Hi, what a nice video! You Sir, have the talent for communicating! Very gentle, Indeed. The bike. Its characterful…the engine and exhaust at the same level, sounds characterful and throaty. It’s different. It’s not a common bike. This Stelvio 1200 and the Mandello V100, I’ve got to try both of them, until I can have an opinion. On the looks side, it is very presentable 👌🏻 Thanks for the video. I’ll definitely will be following the channel . Ride safe! ✌🏻✌🏻
Thank you very much! They're definitely both worth testing. They had the V100 in the Naval aviation colours at my dealer, it's kinda cool, I have to admit
I moved from owning three GSs to a beautiful Multi V2S , it’s the ownership experience I love and the perfect balance of weight and power for road riding. But the Stelvio is definitely a consideration next time and after all it’s Italian and a v twin, bikes with soul.
just came across this - cos I have a Tuareg (for proper dirt action) and I am considering the Stelvio as a road touring machine. Helpful review....looking forward to test riding...waiting to hear news of the electronic suspension too....Will never get a GS cos they are everywhere, owned by everyone.... :)
In my case it really comes down to how I feel on the bike. That's why I can never bike a bike without test riding it first. However, looks also matter and this is the best looking adv bike to my eyes.
I watched a couple of your videos and thought 'sounds like a proper journo', then you said your name was Dale and had worked for a magazine (s)....and then I figured out who you were, Dale Lomas, ex of Performance Bikes 👍🏻 Have subscribed.
I’ve still got a T3 but had a Strada 1000 so with you on the cult of Guzzi. I like GS/GSAs for the lower centre of gravity and what’s put me off the likes of the T7 for example. I’ve 5’8” (and a bit) but a GSA works where the T7 was both tall and heavy. This is clearly a GS alternative with few ever likely to do more than the odd bit of gravel to justify. I like “adventure” bikes because of the riding position and comfort not for any off-road antics. The screen seems a huge failing after what will have been a long development and testing programme.
I would prefer the Mandello, which is a sport tourer, for the road, but an Aprilia Tuareg 660 for a light adventure tourer. Get a 1300 GS as a compromise between the two. The 1300 GS is just that good.
Now you need to try the V100 Mandello in order to compare and contrast. 😀 Also it’s pretty important with these two new Guzzis (that share the same drivetrain) to distinguish between the standard and the S versions with the semi active electronic suspension. They make a huge difference to the character of the bikes. Some people prefer with, some without but both are right. It’s whatever works for you.
Funny stuff and well done. Thank you. I am looking at this bike, an r1250gsa and r1300gs. Took a short ride on the stelvio and agree with you. Loved the motor and feeling of locomotive like straight line stability. Didn't like the huge clunk shifting into first gear, believe it needs bar backs and the windshield is too short for my 6 foot height. A little top heavy and not cheap. What will it cost and weight once you add crash bars, luggage and other stuff? Nevertheless I will have another test ride when a bigger windshield from the aftermarket is available.
I never owned one but I did ride a motoguzzi V7special 850. Wonderfull bike but de pull wen reving it feld a but strange. But what an engine. The pull on it was amazing. But eventually choose the scrambler 400x. Cuz I needed a budget friendly bike and the guzzi was a bit to thirsty...
bang bang boom, bang, wobble... I know the feeling too well! Stock Tuareg screen does the same. Must be a Piaggio thing. Either the test riders are taller or shorter than my average height!
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This is a beautiful bike. I've looked at the previous model many times, and I really like it. But maybe this would be even better. How would it fair with a tall, really heavy rider?
Thanks for filming your ride. I really noticed a lot of final drive whirring noise from your microphone. Was that very noticeable inside your helmet? I think the US release is just around the corner, but I’d like to hold off considering a purchase until they add electronic adjustable suspension. Here’s hoping that comes soon.
Pour moi c'est la moto la plus complète en équipement et qui réunit tous les meilleurs côtés du trail routier. Ce sera ma prochaine moto. For me it is the most complete bike in equipment and that brings together all the best sides of the road trail. It will be my next bike.
Nice to see you driving the new Stelvio in my old hometown (born in Bad Ems many years ago 😀) This Moto Guzzi can definitely be my next bike. Currently own the Tuareg but this larger engine attracts me more. - Btw. you should not close the throttle when up-quickshifting.
@@btgmoto most definitely. Still waiting on the trk 702. Sounds like seat is actually tiny bit shorter than mine. Not much time on before put away. It works, but everything slightly big for me. Levers closest, still stretched out hand.
Moin Moin from NRW,interesting vid,what a good looking bike this time around, not something I could say about the Bug eyed old model 😮. Does the front end give a more enjoyable ride than the BMW GS's tele leaver? Tschüs ,Dave✌
I actually liked the newest Telelevers (not the old ones). But, the front end on this pretty predictable. It's a good handling bike, and certainly worth a test ride! I found it quite sharp and sporty. It feels heavy on the sidestand and light on the road.
Similar in very many ways. Quite top-heavy, both very torquey. I found the AT motor quite vibey, whereas the Guzzi is quite pleasant with it's vibes. They're soft and reassuring, whereas the AT is a bit harsh. No doubt the AT will be much better off road, but I think the Guzzi is better on well surfaced roads. There is a new AT this year with a 19" front, that could be interesting to try.
Great review and great bike. Two questions if I may? 1) Did you find the knee angle a bit on the acute side? 2)What was in the brown paper bag for lunch? My wife and I were trying to decide what we'd chose from the selection in the petrol station, We've got to know.
Hahah! So 1) Nope, not at all. Normally you're worried about knees hitting the intakes on a Guzzi, but not this one. And it was a nice angle for me to the pegs (but I am relatively short legged!) 2) It was the salami and cheese laugenstange :)
How did you mount your phone on the motorcycle? what did you use? any links? From you previous answer i think i am convinced to buy this (Stelvio) instead of the Africa Twin. I don't have the chance to test any of them in my country. I believe the Stelvio is easier to handle and ride on paved roads. I am not interested in off road riding.
1) Quadlock with the anti-vibration mount 2) I can't comment on the new 19" front wheel Adventure Sports version of the Africa Twin, but for the road, the Stelvio definitely feels better than a 21" front AT.
Some test rides coming out these very days report that the engine gains rpm very smoothly from 40 km/h in 6th gear much appreciating this elasticity; on the other hand, they state that below 3-3,500 rpm the engine seems kinda "empty", or "gentle" (..maybe a a polite way to tell it's a bit disappointing..). I had the same feeling some years ago when I tried a V85 E4, jumping down from a Stelvio 1200 4V which I still ride currently with full satisfaction. Frankly speaking, would you say this emptiness is real or it's something which we can forget about and get rid of, by considering that this is simply a "non-topic"? Thanks for posting the test ride.
The old big block is a tractor in comparison, and that off-idle torque isn't here on the new Motor. But it's faster, lighter and revs easier. Midrange is also strong on the new Motor.
@@giumbolorossonero The torque on my 1400 was amazing but the Mandello is faster, no doubt. When it comes on in the upper rpm range it pulls very hard. kk
Oh PLZ - Africa T is worse to drag around the P places / taking of the stand..... This one does not feel much heavier to deal with, than the V85TT ( have both ). Yes - Mandello is easier to live with, but Stelvo feels more secure going in the bends 🤷♂🤷♂
This is my dilemma. I have a V7 Special 850 and love it but want to upgrade for longer distances. I’m set on shaft drive for convenience sake. I test rode a number of bikes and had settled on the Yamaha Super Tenere….until a few days ago. Now I am looking hard at the Stelvio, but can’t get a test ride. I guess I will have to sit on one for ergo test and assume I’ll like the way it rides because it’s a Guzzi.
Is the cruise control working at 50 km/h in 6. Gear? First time On the Tuareg i was a little bit confused, that cruise control is not working in every gear at every speed
Unfortunately, I never tested that. And I never even thought to. At 50kmh I'm mostly in urban environments and very anxious, not cruising at all. On top of that, and sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, 6th gear in top gear at such low speed is generally outside of the 'response' area of most motorcycle engines. They're not cars, and engineers will normally have a specific load/rpm combo that provides adequate acceleration for the low-authority of a cruise-control system to actually function. I'm betting that 6th gear at 50kmh is outside of that envelope, by some margin! Cruise normally has low authority, like maybe 10-40% throttle +/- . But how much would you need to lug up a hill at 50kmh with a headwind, quite a lot of throttle. And the bike would be lugging hard, lots of shaking, all adding up to uneven acceleration and a cruise control that turns off due to bad feedback in the loop. That stuff will work on a Goldwing, but not a 660 Tuareg.
@@btgmoto you are right, it depends of the engine, but i dont like, when the manufacturer doesnt give me the opportunity to do so. The Stelvio has a bigger engine, so i hope, they have change this software restriction.
Many asked this question across the past months and they stated that this set-up is fine: it's not a matter of know-how. Anyway, they say, we have the know-how, we were the first to develope them, and if this need should arise, we'll be ready to answer. They know what they do: Aprilias are famous for their set-up and this Guzzi was developed in Noale. A common comment emerging from every test these days remarks the excellent balance.
@@giumbolorossonero Sorry, but i believe el.suspension is mandatory in order to be sucsessful in the Adventure touring market today. All the competitors has it. Riding alone vs. fully loaded with passenger & luggage requires different suspension settings. At least for the preload, but also in the damping. But as mentioned, there will probably be a version where this becomes available.
I don't understand neither why the British and American press .always think that Italian bikes unreadable. I have had Vespas Aprilia,Ducati Nd Moto Guzzi looked after them had them serviced never never had any problems with them
Your point about the screen is a moot point, you know that most screens on bikes are crap, your tuareg is a good point...you changed it for that one you got from china 🤦😅
Theres no Aprilia vs moto guzzi production quality. Its all piaggio. And moto guzzi bikes worked since forever. Lots of bs statements about italian bikes from a brit, of the land of crappy bikes of the past that owners had to fix and still have to.
Well don't take it personally, but Guzzis weren't always shining examples of reliability and build quality. They've had very high high-points, and some moderately embarrassing lows. Hey, I've owned plenty of crappy British bikes, and plenty of good Italian ones. Also vice versa. And in the video I do say that Moto Guzzi is now Piaggio, and share production and technology flows. Maybe you think that because British twins used vertically split crankcases on twins, and thought cork was a good gasket material, that my opinion doesn't count in 2024? Your statements are pretty funny; All Moto Guzzis have worked since forever? Even the most reliable brand's most reliable bike hasn't worked forever. Now, there's plenty to nit-pick in this video, so go back and find something useful, rather than just commenting random fanboy stuff. I actually like Moto Guzzi, and right now I own an Aprilia that has had an oil leak in the first 400kms, and will probably need a fuel tank sensor before the end of the month... It's all Piaggio now, as you quite rightfully re-stated. I think the Guzzi badge has a strong future ahead of it with this level of support and engineering. Would I expect the bike to go through it's first year without a fault or warranty claim? Nope. My last BMW had 3 recall notices, so don't feel that I'm hating on Italian bikes. And I didn't buy a Yamaha Tenere 700, even though I think it would be more reliable. Over and out.
Before commenting, listen to the video. I literally explain the dry and weights. I owned a GS for 50,000km, and while heavier it carries its weight lower. The higher centre of gravity is noticeable on the Guzzi.
I have put 400 miles on my Stelvio and I really love it. I am selling my Ducati Multistrada v4s because I prefer the Guzzi. Wind protection is great and the electronic screen is wonderful for me. Anyone complaining about weight is just trying to find something to complain about. Turn your handlebars all the way to the right she will pop right up with little effort. Gear box is improved over the Mandello, but I wish Ohlins suspension would be offered. The price is good in my opinion, a bunch cheaper than a GS and for me the Japanese cookie cutter bikes have no soul. Bravo Moto Guzzi, excellent machine.
Hey, weight is a factor for many people, especially on mud or sand
Problem in Australia is that the dealer for Guzzi is also the supplier. So you’ve got nowhere to go in a warranty dispute. In comparison to BMW, BMW has a far superior warranty.
@btgmoto I also own a Ducati multistrada v4s, and I don't see where the Stelvio carries its weight any different. If you're worried about weight, don't get a full size adventure bike. The Stelvio is not really designed for hardcore off-road duty anyway. seems 890 Duke may be better suited for you.
@@Motomack1042 Multistrada V4, despite being glorious on the street, already got knocked off my list ages ago, and I totally agree, the Guzzi carries its weight similarly. In fact, they're both similar to the Africa Twin or an 850 GS. There are bikes that carry it lower though, for better and for worse. KTM/Husqvarna for example, with their 790/890/901 adventures, and BMW with 1200/1250/13000 GS, ride very differently and are way easy to handle at a standstill, car park speeds or on dirt. As I said in my review, the Guzzi handles superbly on the street, it was just the slow stuff that put me off. I wasn't 'looking for something' to fault, I was honestly just saying what I found to be a negative. I am looking for a bike like the 890 Duke for more track stuff and street antics (that's a sportsbike, naked thing), but I have my Tuareg 660 for the dirty and long distance stuff. I took a step down from a 1250 BMW last year specifically because the GS was getting dropped a lot off road, and the Guzzi would be even worse than that, for my use case. It's a great bike, and I can tell you really love yours. Enjoy it!
As an ex Guzzi Griso owner and serial boxer owner currently on a GS, I think I’d take thIs, although at 5’7” the ‘tall weight’ would probably have me choose the V100 Mandelo.
Love your style of the video, nice and interseting, mostly important, show the bike and your opinion clearly. Thank you for your share, please keep doing!
from one RUclipsrs to another. Great job! i own the V100 Mandello, and strongly considering this beauty
Hey, thanks mate! I did consider it, but I'm already very happy with it's half-sized cousin, the Tuareg :)
That exhaust sound!!! 💯
Right?! It's awesome 🍝🍝🍝🍝
A really great first review Sir. Much appreciated by all. I'm a Tuareg owner as well
Much appreciated! Thanks :)
I drove the Guzzi V100 Mandello early last year. And I had the same impression of that engine. It´s great and very Guzzi like. The looks are beautiful for both bikes the Mandello and the Stelvio. The Mandello reminds me of the glorious times when the 850 LeMansIII was a thing! Typical Italian I´d say.. I had a little issue with the gearbox. It was a bit clunky. But after i came back from my test ride I realized I got the version without quickshifter 😱 For that it really was a smooth ride 😳
Nice report. I also ride a new Stelvio. The engine has a lot of power and the chassis is 95% great. In contrast to a GS, it still has character and is a lot of fun and exciting to ride. And for €16,000, it's a fabulous motorcycle. The GS is already over €26,000.
I have to disagree with you on one point, though. Old Guzzis were just as reliable and had no defects. Most of the time, the owner's unprofessional repairs were to blame.
Great review! Love your humour and I appreciated your honesty regarding the weight. A ‘balanced’ review for sure 🥂
That motor and exhaust sound very tight and thumpy, beautiful ! Right out of the box Way to go Guzzi. !
It's a great bike, really. Another new chapter for Guzzi
I suspect this channel is about to explode. Keep up the great work!
wow, thanks!
That is such a lovely looking machine, and that sound is simply fantastic.
It really is!
I saw this bike like one or two weeks ago in the internet and immediately thought it looks similar to the 660 Tuareg...This is a huge compliment. i personally love looks of all new Moto Guzzi's even though I am a bit too young to ride one of those I really appreciate how do they look. Since last FVR800 this Stelvio and V100 Mandello are first motorbikes I'd like to have and just watch. Absolutely stunning. Now, world please start doing beautiful bikes again...
Right on, the Guzzis are either looking way better these days, or I'm getting older...
BEAUTIFUL! My next bike! 😊
I just couldn’t listen to any more, and I’ve ordered one. Take a hike please
Thanks for the comment and interactiion 🤣🤔🙃👏
I like your review style. Don’t change. Subscribed.
Looking forward to your review of the Mandello.
Thanks for the sub! Will try and keep it up!
G'day from Australia. So excited seeing you do the Stelvio. We got 5 Tuono's in the family and thinking of doing an Adventure bike for gravel roads (not going bush) in the future it'd have to be a choice between the two Piaggio stables.
If you're buying it for rough roads, the Tuareg's the clear winner in my opinion. But on smooth tarmac the Stelvio is great.
@@btgmoto Thanks, I've got a '21 Tuono V4 1100 RR for the road and a '14 Tuono V4 1000 APRC dedicated track bike so the Tuareg seems the obvious next addition to explore other surfaces and longer rides as I sold my '20 KLX230 Dual Sport 12 months ago.
get the Tuareg buddy.
Glad to see you back on bikes properly.
Thanks!
Hi, what a nice video! You Sir, have the talent for communicating! Very gentle, Indeed.
The bike. Its characterful…the engine and exhaust at the same level, sounds characterful and throaty. It’s different. It’s not a common bike. This Stelvio 1200 and the Mandello V100, I’ve got to try both of them, until I can have an opinion. On the looks side, it is very presentable 👌🏻
Thanks for the video. I’ll definitely will be following the channel . Ride safe! ✌🏻✌🏻
Thank you very much! They're definitely both worth testing. They had the V100 in the Naval aviation colours at my dealer, it's kinda cool, I have to admit
Like it i really do and at a price point the GS can only dream about, plus its character, its a winner.
It's gonna sell well. Mind you, I said the same about the Tuareg and they Hung around in showrooms for years 🙃
I moved from owning three GSs to a beautiful Multi V2S , it’s the ownership experience I love and the perfect balance of weight and power for road riding. But the Stelvio is definitely a consideration next time and after all it’s Italian and a v twin, bikes with soul.
It's an emotional bike for sure,like all good Italian bikes should be
just came across this - cos I have a Tuareg (for proper dirt action) and I am considering the Stelvio as a road touring machine. Helpful review....looking forward to test riding...waiting to hear news of the electronic suspension too....Will never get a GS cos they are everywhere, owned by everyone.... :)
In my case it really comes down to how I feel on the bike. That's why I can never bike a bike without test riding it first. However, looks also matter and this is the best looking adv bike to my eyes.
I tell all my friends test ride everything and never believe everything from every review because motorcycles are subjective choices
Glad I found you dude 😊
New Sub and happy about it 👍
Congrats 🍻🍻
Wow! Thanks for the sub!
I watched a couple of your videos and thought 'sounds like a proper journo', then you said your name was Dale and had worked for a magazine (s)....and then I figured out who you were, Dale Lomas, ex of Performance Bikes 👍🏻 Have subscribed.
Hahha a lot of people might use journo as a derogatory term! Thanks for the sub!
Beautiful motorbike, the only one with which I would replace my GS1250, with that so characteristic motor is really beautiful!
It really is very pretty, and the engine is great!
I’ve still got a T3 but had a Strada 1000 so with you on the cult of Guzzi. I like GS/GSAs for the lower centre of gravity and what’s put me off the likes of the T7 for example. I’ve 5’8” (and a bit) but a GSA works where the T7 was both tall and heavy. This is clearly a GS alternative with few ever likely to do more than the odd bit of gravel to justify. I like “adventure” bikes because of the riding position and comfort not for any off-road antics. The screen seems a huge failing after what will have been a long development and testing programme.
Yeah, I also hesitated on the T7 but for weight and lack of cruise. Horses for courses
Great balanced review 👍
Thanks! 👍
I would prefer the Mandello, which is a sport tourer, for the road, but an Aprilia Tuareg 660 for a light adventure tourer. Get a 1300 GS as a compromise between the two. The 1300 GS is just that good.
Finally something to put the exorbitant BMW prices in check, they are completely out of hand, I will go with this any time compared to any GS.
I like that the Stelvio can deliver 80% of the GS spec with 100% more 🍝 at 75% the 💰
Now you need to try the V100 Mandello in order to compare and contrast. 😀
Also it’s pretty important with these two new Guzzis (that share the same drivetrain) to distinguish between the standard and the S versions with the semi active electronic suspension. They make a huge difference to the character of the bikes. Some people prefer with, some without but both are right. It’s whatever works for you.
Definitely on my list. S version of the Stelvio is still not confirmed but I'm sure it's likely
Funny stuff and well done. Thank you. I am looking at this bike, an r1250gsa and r1300gs. Took a short ride on the stelvio and agree with you. Loved the motor and feeling of locomotive like straight line stability. Didn't like the huge clunk shifting into first gear, believe it needs bar backs and the windshield is too short for my 6 foot height. A little top heavy and not cheap. What will it cost and weight once you add crash bars, luggage and other stuff? Nevertheless I will have another test ride when a bigger windshield from the aftermarket is available.
No doubt it'll get pretty heavy with all the gear, but they all do that sir 🫡
I never owned one but I did ride a motoguzzi V7special 850. Wonderfull bike but de pull wen reving it feld a but strange. But what an engine. The pull on it was amazing. But eventually choose the scrambler 400x. Cuz I needed a budget friendly bike and the guzzi was a bit to thirsty...
Yeah, I hear you. I loved the 400 a lot, and it's super cheap to insure and run.
Excellent review
Thank you kindly
The V85TT screen is very similar, creates bad dirty air, it's like following a van everywhere
bang bang boom, bang, wobble... I know the feeling too well! Stock Tuareg screen does the same. Must be a Piaggio thing. Either the test riders are taller or shorter than my average height!
This is a beautiful bike. I've looked at the previous model many times, and I really like it. But maybe this would be even better. How would it fair with a tall, really heavy rider?
For a tall and heavy rider, I'd say this bike would be great. Lots of space, great riding position and good suspension.
Thanks for filming your ride. I really noticed a lot of final drive whirring noise from your microphone. Was that very noticeable inside your helmet? I think the US release is just around the corner, but I’d like to hold off considering a purchase until they add electronic adjustable suspension. Here’s hoping that comes soon.
You can hear a little bit of whirr, but it's not upsetting
Pour moi c'est la moto la plus complète en équipement et qui réunit tous les meilleurs côtés du trail routier. Ce sera ma prochaine moto.
For me it is the most complete bike in equipment and that brings together all the best sides of the road trail. It will be my next bike.
Nice to see you driving the new Stelvio in my old hometown (born in Bad Ems many years ago 😀) This Moto Guzzi can definitely be my next bike. Currently own the Tuareg but this larger engine attracts me more. - Btw. you should not close the throttle when up-quickshifting.
It's a lovely bike, and definitely worth a test ride. This one didn't have a quick shifter, which is why I was shifting by closing the throttle :)
I sat on an ibex 800. Tried getting off stand real quick couldnt. Just got a trk 502 recently. Little heavy, much more when tank is full.
I'd like to try the new cfmoto 450 too
@@btgmoto most definitely. Still waiting on the trk 702. Sounds like seat is actually tiny bit shorter than mine. Not much time on before put away. It works, but everything slightly big for me. Levers closest, still stretched out hand.
I'm confused. Does it have a quick shifter? Loverly bike, I was looking at the GS for my next bike but maybe I'll think again.
It has the option
It's an option, unfortunately not fitted to this one.
So I met one in the flesh this week, its a beauty and the quick shifter is very reasonable as an option. I think my mind is made up
You can buy the upgrade with the $12K you'll be saving.
Moin Moin from NRW,interesting vid,what a good looking bike this time around, not something I could say about the Bug eyed old model 😮. Does the front end give a more enjoyable ride than the BMW GS's tele leaver? Tschüs ,Dave✌
I actually liked the newest Telelevers (not the old ones). But, the front end on this pretty predictable. It's a good handling bike, and certainly worth a test ride! I found it quite sharp and sporty. It feels heavy on the sidestand and light on the road.
Cheers Dale for your reply 👍
What a beautiful video! How would you compare it to African Twin? The plain model, engine wise and handling wise.
Similar in very many ways. Quite top-heavy, both very torquey. I found the AT motor quite vibey, whereas the Guzzi is quite pleasant with it's vibes. They're soft and reassuring, whereas the AT is a bit harsh. No doubt the AT will be much better off road, but I think the Guzzi is better on well surfaced roads. There is a new AT this year with a 19" front, that could be interesting to try.
Great review and great bike. Two questions if I may? 1) Did you find the knee angle a bit on the acute side? 2)What was in the brown paper bag for lunch? My wife and I were trying to decide what we'd chose from the selection in the petrol station, We've got to know.
Hahah! So 1) Nope, not at all. Normally you're worried about knees hitting the intakes on a Guzzi, but not this one. And it was a nice angle for me to the pegs (but I am relatively short legged!) 2) It was the salami and cheese laugenstange :)
@@btgmoto Thanks and good call on the lunch! Safe riding.
Ye - Tuareg is also a great bike 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I still love mine!
How did you mount your phone on the motorcycle? what did you use? any links? From you previous answer i think i am convinced to buy this (Stelvio) instead of the Africa Twin. I don't have the chance to test any of them in my country. I believe the Stelvio is easier to handle and ride on paved roads. I am not interested in off road riding.
1) Quadlock with the anti-vibration mount
2) I can't comment on the new 19" front wheel Adventure Sports version of the Africa Twin, but for the road, the Stelvio definitely feels better than a 21" front AT.
I'm also trying to decide between the two, the AT with 19 inch wheel or this one
Some test rides coming out these very days report that the engine gains rpm very smoothly from 40 km/h in 6th gear much appreciating this elasticity; on the other hand, they state that below 3-3,500 rpm the engine seems kinda "empty", or "gentle" (..maybe a a polite way to tell it's a bit disappointing..). I had the same feeling some years ago when I tried a V85 E4, jumping down from a Stelvio 1200 4V which I still ride currently with full satisfaction. Frankly speaking, would you say this emptiness is real or it's something which we can forget about and get rid of, by considering that this is simply a "non-topic"? Thanks for posting the test ride.
Comparing the torque of a big block to a small block is apple to oranges.
@@karlbishop7481 I agree, Karl.
The old big block is a tractor in comparison, and that off-idle torque isn't here on the new Motor. But it's faster, lighter and revs easier. Midrange is also strong on the new Motor.
@@giumbolorossonero The torque on my 1400 was amazing but the Mandello is faster, no doubt. When it comes on in the upper rpm range it pulls very hard.
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@@btgmoto thanks for your reply!
I think to make it a 10 for me it needs the electronic suspension with more travel, proper windscreen, and 30 litre tank. Otherwise a winner.
Oh yeah, remember the old Stelvio? 30-something litres?
@@btgmoto 30 litres and you will have no range anxiety.
Oh PLZ - Africa T is worse to drag around the P places / taking of the stand..... This one does not feel much heavier to deal with, than the V85TT ( have both ). Yes - Mandello is easier to live with, but Stelvo feels more secure going in the bends 🤷♂🤷♂
Oh, don't worry, I'm fully aware of how top-heavy the AT is. I'm a big Honda fan, and it pained me NOT to have one!
I insist on a shaft drive bike for occasional off pavement riding, below 20k in price. Is there a better choice?
This is my dilemma. I have a V7 Special 850 and love it but want to upgrade for longer distances. I’m set on shaft drive for convenience sake. I test rode a number of bikes and had settled on the Yamaha Super Tenere….until a few days ago. Now I am looking hard at the Stelvio, but can’t get a test ride. I guess I will have to sit on one for ergo test and assume I’ll like the way it rides because it’s a Guzzi.
Is the cruise control working at 50 km/h in 6. Gear? First time On the Tuareg i was a little bit confused, that cruise control is not working in every gear at every speed
Unfortunately, I never tested that. And I never even thought to. At 50kmh I'm mostly in urban environments and very anxious, not cruising at all. On top of that, and sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, 6th gear in top gear at such low speed is generally outside of the 'response' area of most motorcycle engines. They're not cars, and engineers will normally have a specific load/rpm combo that provides adequate acceleration for the low-authority of a cruise-control system to actually function. I'm betting that 6th gear at 50kmh is outside of that envelope, by some margin! Cruise normally has low authority, like maybe 10-40% throttle +/- . But how much would you need to lug up a hill at 50kmh with a headwind, quite a lot of throttle. And the bike would be lugging hard, lots of shaking, all adding up to uneven acceleration and a cruise control that turns off due to bad feedback in the loop.
That stuff will work on a Goldwing, but not a 660 Tuareg.
@@btgmoto you are right, it depends of the engine, but i dont like, when the manufacturer doesnt give me the
opportunity to do so. The Stelvio has a bigger engine, so i hope, they have change this software restriction.
Being in 6th gear at 50 kmh let alone 50 mph is not what 6th gear is for.
What's your height/inseam if you don't mind?
5ft8 and 30in
2024, and no el. suspension?
The Aprilia Caponord had it, about 10 years ago. 😮
You've got to presume the S version is coming soon, right?
Many asked this question across the past months and they stated that this set-up is fine: it's not a matter of know-how. Anyway, they say, we have the know-how, we were the first to develope them, and if this need should arise, we'll be ready to answer. They know what they do: Aprilias are famous for their set-up and this Guzzi was developed in Noale. A common comment emerging from every test these days remarks the excellent balance.
@@giumbolorossonero Sorry, but i believe el.suspension is mandatory in order to be sucsessful in the Adventure touring market today.
All the competitors has it.
Riding alone vs. fully loaded with passenger & luggage requires different suspension settings.
At least for the preload, but also in the damping.
But as mentioned, there will probably be a version where this becomes available.
If you are just cruising around, I do wonder whether it's worth the extra over a V85
You are 100% correct, BUT ultimately this would end up with us all riding a CB500, so I cannot agree 🤣👍
Great value (and relibility in the v85). At tripple digit speeds it does get thirsty though.
@@btgmoto I've not ridden one but by all accounts they are a great little bike.
@@gavinhassett479 I tend not to go over 80 on the motorway. I spend mist of mt time at 50-60mph on the backroads
@@stonkerontheroad9609 then the v85 is perfect
Can i just have a plain red one...please?
Not yet. I bet the S version Gets a red option tho...
Great review. Thanks. But please lose the terrible distracting music!!!
Noted! I'm still learning ;)
Nice bike
Thanks ✌️
Want one
Test rides, always test ride everything you can :)
@@btgmoto do uplan to test the gsx s1000 gx?
How to mount your cell phone ? Thanks
This a Quadlock with a vibration mount
How is it compared to the v85tt?
Much taller, much heavier, much more powerful, and it has a fairing.
Well yes.. that’s obvious.
@@PeterW961 I might actually prefer the v85TT at this point. I can check for smells and tastest next time, if that helps? ;)
How is the engine character vs your 1250 GS, other than power?
Great torque, very smooth, great response, but not so much top end, or off-idle torque. Better noise too
Guzzi dealers where I live prevent me from owning
Are they that bad?!
Beauty
Very beautiful
Don't you just hate people in electic cars - especially the Jaguar I Pace on very fast roads...
I don't understand neither why the British and American press .always think that Italian bikes unreadable.
I have had Vespas Aprilia,Ducati Nd Moto Guzzi looked after them had them serviced never never had any problems with them
A mans bike
Please refrain from occupying a fuel pump and walking away to shop.
The car not wanting to be overtaken has NOTHING to do with it being electric, but it being a fat BMW SUV, these people are the worst
Hahaha 🤣
16499 euro not 17490in germany
17490 is exactly what my dealer quoted me in Germany. I even wrote it down. Maybe the price has changed?
I was today by my dealer. the price today is 16499 euro@@btgmoto🙂
@@fabe3576 it's a good price for a bike this capable!
I wish you'd stop comparing it to the GS. They are both in a class of their own.
I think they do similar things, and certainly I'd buy them for the same reasons.
Thanks for the review. From whatI have gathered thus far..might be a pass.
Don't write it off without a test ride, the motor is really wonderful, better than the specs would suggest.
@@btgmoto ohh I know. I'm passing in hopes there will be a new Griso in the near future.
first rider to remark of the top heavy adnenture bike with those side pods sticking out,no thanks
I think horizontal twins are kind of cool, but at least the flat-twin keeps your feet warm and works as a side stand ;)
GS has no soul
They're over-used, over-weight, and people buy them who don't understand them, but they're pretty fruity if you live with one. I liked mine.
Your point about the screen is a moot point, you know that most screens on bikes are crap, your tuareg is a good point...you changed it for that one you got from china 🤦😅
I just found it infuriating that they picked a height for the screen that blasted me in the eyes with noisy air... how very dare they! :)
@@btgmoto all standard screens are a compromise, what have you heard about a stelvio S..??
No, it doesn’t. The weight is 240 kg - 529 Lb Too heavy !!
I think I have to try the v85TT just so I can feel the difference
Italian bikes should not be grey.
It's more like Silver ;)
Theres no Aprilia vs moto guzzi production quality. Its all piaggio. And moto guzzi bikes worked since forever. Lots of bs statements about italian bikes from a brit, of the land of crappy bikes of the past that owners had to fix and still have to.
Well don't take it personally, but Guzzis weren't always shining examples of reliability and build quality. They've had very high high-points, and some moderately embarrassing lows. Hey, I've owned plenty of crappy British bikes, and plenty of good Italian ones. Also vice versa. And in the video I do say that Moto Guzzi is now Piaggio, and share production and technology flows. Maybe you think that because British twins used vertically split crankcases on twins, and thought cork was a good gasket material, that my opinion doesn't count in 2024? Your statements are pretty funny; All Moto Guzzis have worked since forever? Even the most reliable brand's most reliable bike hasn't worked forever. Now, there's plenty to nit-pick in this video, so go back and find something useful, rather than just commenting random fanboy stuff. I actually like Moto Guzzi, and right now I own an Aprilia that has had an oil leak in the first 400kms, and will probably need a fuel tank sensor before the end of the month... It's all Piaggio now, as you quite rightfully re-stated. I think the Guzzi badge has a strong future ahead of it with this level of support and engineering. Would I expect the bike to go through it's first year without a fault or warranty claim? Nope. My last BMW had 3 recall notices, so don't feel that I'm hating on Italian bikes. And I didn't buy a Yamaha Tenere 700, even though I think it would be more reliable. Over and out.
Sorry can't watch this , music is louder than your voice
Can’t remember I heard any music, though the sound of the exhaust is like music to my ears
Speak up!
@@btgmoto What??? I'm deaf Sonny!!! Yehehe
dude before talking bullshit inform yourself. the GS 1250 is heavier than th new Stelvio..
Before commenting, listen to the video. I literally explain the dry and weights. I owned a GS for 50,000km, and while heavier it carries its weight lower. The higher centre of gravity is noticeable on the Guzzi.