I remember Joe Harris being one of the best role players during the 2 years KD Harden and Kyrie were there. Sad to see him no longer on a roster after 2 years
Absolutely not. Ben won his max contract. He doesn't care NBA - basketball. Also he was injured. People like you think Ben loves NBA like LeBron and cries over it. Lol. He is happy with his supermax contract and rested easy. How the fuck "career is ruined" when you had $177,243,360 contract? You guys are delusion. Just stfu.
As disappointing as he has been, he may not be on here due to him still being productive (when he’s rarely available) and out of everyone here he has some chance of still being decent. Everyone else truly did fall off a cliff completely.
He went 1-11 in game 3 which was decided by a single possession. He was broken from then. Regular season performer against trash teams, but folded almost every single time against an elite team. The pressure to produce broke him
Nick Anderson. He missed four critical free throws in Game 1 of the 1995 NBA Finals, on June 7, 1995. His misses allowed the Houston Rockets to force overtime and win the game, and eventually sweep the series 4-0. Anderson’s career was never the same after that, as he struggled mentally and physically. He later admitted that the missed free throws haunted him for the rest of his life.
@@Lycan683 What’s wrong with that?Teams invest millions of dollars on these guys and if they have serious injury problems then it’s gonna affect how much they get paid or whether they get a roster spot at all.Its just how things work.
@@BrooklynBalla it means nothing wrong with players refusing to play as well. clubs could just pay him based on his contract . it's al business right? lol
@@AqwDragulum because lebron wants everyone. lebron is known to do that after a trade deadline if not at the trade deadline. people even forget bogut was signed and played less than a minute for the cavs that season
Finally someone who acknowledges Duncan 🙌 ppl always talking sh*t about him even the own Miami Heat fans and it hurts me as a heat fan … one of the scariest shooters in the league but always gets doubted he going off this season!!!
My heart breaks for IT. I had the same injury and ended up needing 3 surgeries (1 hip scope, 1 neurosurgery to repair damaged nerves, and a hip scope revision surgery just last month). It absolutely sucks. It effects every aspect of your life; sitting, standing, walking, running, squatting, driving, changing directions, sex, sleep. It's a crappy injury coupled with orthopedic surgeons who don't know wtf they're doing.
Ben won his contract MAX and doesnt care anymore. If he wanted a max, he would perform. Also, he was injured People like you think Ben loves NBA and basketball so much LMFAO. Nothing broke him. You guys are in delusion.
@@supernotnatural that series broke him. That game turned 76ers fans against him, he then responded by posting ig stories dissing the crowd, so he turned on them too. Then he don't wanna play anymore
The hawks cheated that whole playoff run. If i was constantly in foul trouble coz of a cheater and then everyone blamed me instead of doc I'd prolly break as well.
@@jakasmalakasno everybody expected the hawks offense to be so good that playoff run caught Alot teams off guard how cohesive they was had nothing at all to do with fouls especially when embid is the a foul merchant
Still crazy that the Cavs accepted that IT trade. Most don't remember, but he actually failed the physical needed to complete the trade and he failed because of that hip injury. Yet the Cavs still went through with it
@@Ghostface2point0 well that’s what I mean. He had issues but he was also in the running for league MVP not too long before that. So they were taking a high risk high reward type deal
Is so hard to just be a 3 point specialist like Joe Harris. If you are not making open shots,your entire world collapses. You got to be able to put the ball on the floor a little bit,do something else to get in rhythm.
Duncan Robinson learned to put the ball on the floor and make himself more relevant to his team. Shooting specializing (especially 3 point shooting) is a skill heavily based on supreme confidence. You lose a bit of it and you are less valuable to your team.
Joe Harris's wide open bricks in game 3 haunt me to this day. I cannot fathom how a player of his calibre can miss wide open shots. Really puts Jr Smith in your face 3 pointers into perspective.
Problem with players like Joe Harris is the defense and always will be for players like him. I mean JJ Reddick had a damn near all star level season but his defense was always leaving a lot to be desired. Fact of the matter I think 3 and NO D players are always gonna fail. To win a ring you need to at least be capable at both sides, but for some they can only do one. Look at Isaiah Thomas dude could still be in the league if he was 6’3 and was more capable on defense
IT is one shinning example of why I no longer fault players for doing what's best for them and not 'sacrificing for the team'. Ask for that max, get that surgery ASAP Bc these teams will use these players up and discard them like yesterday's news.
@@Bigedub101it was even more grimy cause he dropped 50 after his sister he still played ainge did that man forever dirty I know that will always be on his conscience
Joe Harris will always be my second favorite Nets' player behind D-Lo during the Kenny Atkinson era. He was still a solid player before injuries ruined his career.
Deron Williams had some injury issues but nowhere near as much as most guys whose careers went south because of them. It’s still kinda mysterious how he just fell off the way he did. If you ask me, he thought the grass was greener away from Utah. Turns out Jerry Sloan’s system brought the best out of him.
It ultimately was a short blip, but there was about a five-year stretch where there was a real debate as to whether Chris Paul or Deron Williams was the best point guard in the NBA. From 2008 to 2012, Williams averaged 19.5 PPG and 10.2 APG and guided the Jazz on some decent playoff runs. Williams was even a major contributor to the 2008 and 2012 Olympic Gold Medal teams. For whatever reason, Williams career really fell off once he turned 29 and he was out of the NBA before he turned 33 years old. So, while he clearly lost the battle with Chris Paul for Point God, he was still a star in the league for half a decade.
I was surprised Ben Simmons wasn't on here; immediately upon seeing this I figured he would be the headliner. But thinking a bit more about it, I think the real reason he wasn't on here is because he is still an active player who may in theory overcome his own predicament (as unlikely as it looks at this time). Harris was recently waived and likely out of the league, Thomas is out of the league for 2 years, and Deron is retired.
Joe Harris absolutely broke my heart. The Bucks did not deserve to win that series. They struggled against an insanely injured Nets team that was also being held back by Steve Nash horrific coaching and Joe Harris shooting. It was essentially a 4 on 7.
All Joe Harris had to do was hit a few open 3 pointers in game 7 and the Nets would have a championship. He turned to garbage after game 2 and i just don't understand how.
@@coops1992 That's true, but he had one job lol. This goes to show that there are levels to role players. That's why Steve Kerr has 5 rings as a player and Robert Horry has 7. Even as a role player, you cant shrink in the moment.
@@drewmark3549 He was getting so many open shots too, just to brick em. I was so angry watching Joe consistently miss open shots while KD was fighting for his life and needed a lifeline.
@@smoothsavage2870 funny thing is, Landey shamet was way better than him that series 😭 How is Nash letting him play 30 +mins being a liability both offense and defense. He was getting cooked bad by Middleton too
Dude, I love your videos so much. They are my favorite way to scratch my basketball itch since I can’t really talk about it with people I know. Keep them coming! 🔥
Joe Harris definitely his career went downhill after that bucks series in 2021, one of the best role players during those 2 seasons kd harden and Kyrie were there, sad to see he's not even on a active NBA roster anymore
@@ninecool11 2014 Game 5 Loss 0 points 0 rebounds in 12 minutes without any injuries and that playoffs ruined his career after becoming an All Star that season. Nine players in the playoffs are averaging more points per game than the 24 Hibbert has scored in total. Mike Dunleavy Jr. almost scored more points in one half (19) than Hibbert has in 10. Hibbert, who is 7’2″, is being out-rebounded by Chris Paul, John Wall and Jeff Teague. He has the same amount of blocks as Russell Westbrook and Kemba Walker. That says it all.
@@andycanoy863 Nine players in the playoffs are averaging more points per game than the 24 Hibbert has scored in total. Mike Dunleavy Jr. almost scored more points in one half (19) than Hibbert has in 10. Hibbert, who is 7’2″, is being out-rebounded by Chris Paul, John Wall and Jeff Teague. He has the same amount of blocks as Russell Westbrook and Kemba Walker.
Just thinking about Ben Simmons and not even just the Hawks series back in 2021 but how passing that open dunk or layup over Trae Young is the epitome of the this video, I don’t think a single move on the court ruined a players career as bad as that
I know there editing when you are making a show and trying to fit in what is best for the narrative. Your segment on Deron Williams though is so good as to not be believed and sad at the same time. How it seemed he was forgetting how to play the game that some nights a couple of years before he legitimately could have claimed that he was the best player in the world hit me like a Frazier left hook
Man I forgot how much of a charity home the 2017 and 2018 Cavs were. Rose, Wade, IT, DWill Too bad it's a really banged up/washed version of them. Celtics REALLY did IT dirty man, to think what he did for the organization during that period. And what happened to her sister etc.
Joe Harris used to be one of my favorite players one the Vaughn Nets and on the Nash era. After that series I was heartbroken for him. Everybody left him for dead when he was a sharpshooter, hope he is doing well wherever he is 🙏🏼
I don't know about "ruined" but three all stars who've been defined by playoff failure in recent memory are Ben Simmons (Hawks game 7), Devin Booker (Mavs game 7) and Paul George (Nuggets game 7)
The D-Book one is based on the picture of Doncic. He was running his mouth but he did his part for the team. Plus ever since then he has done nothing but prove people wrong about him...... He took an L but he isint a choker.
@@alexandermorgan4098 Book against Bucks game six in finals: 8 for 22, 19 pts Against Nuggets game six: 4 for 13, 12 pts Not saying his career is ruined but that’s THREE big examples of playoff choke in elimination games.
@@alexandermorgan4098buddy Booker choked in 2021-23, he ran out of gas in game 6 in those finals against the bucks yea but he still went missing in the 4th, did nothing in game 7 against the mavs the next year and still got destroyed by another foreign player JOKIC in 2023
If the Nets won the champinship it would be crazy Harden might've stayed Kyrie probably wouldn't have stayed KD would probably stay when their there and Harden would be champion and Kyrie and KD would finally get a chip without Curry and Bron
I have watched a lot of your videos Andy, this one hurt for some reason. Maybe cause I was aware of all of these situations and these player's careers. Harris is the only one I was not as up on. I vaguely remember him not playing well in that series, but I forgot or did not know how bad it really was. I knew how good he was before and how not good he was after lol. IT was amazing for that one season, especially at that size. Then you had the death of his sister in that playoff series too. Deron was my pick over CP3 back in the day. I remember when he got traded to the Nets and my roommate in college was a Nets fan. He had a couple of decent seasons but I remember that 2017 finals. Unplayable is a perfect way to say it, but they had to play him because that was how slim that Cavs team was. It is like he forgot how to play basketball.
In my opinion Steve Smith was the guy who disappointed me the most from that Portland team that blew that game 7 against the Lakers. I don't know if he was most to blame but nobody could buy a bucket.
@@yodatscrazy981 “crippling” by sending him to another team? is it their fault his injury ruined his career? Again you acting like they cut him or something. Players do the same thing KD crippled the thunder when he left lebron shaq etc. Sport is a business they not gonna pass on an opportunity to better their team. Ask my wizards what loyalty to bradley beal did for them. NOTHING
@@justinherrera1700 Yes it is unless you have proof that Isaiah has a doctorate in medicine and has extensive knowledge in sports medicine. It is the Celtics and their medical staffs fault that they gave incorrect information to Isaiah that ended up costing him his health. They purposely misinformed him on the true extent on his injury in order to maximize his value which is disgusting. A business shouldn’t mean engaging in purposeful malpractice. And if that’s your idea of success I regret to inform you that it will cost you like it did the Celtics, Anthony Davis publicly stated that if it wasn’t for the IT scandal he would have signed with Boston.
westbrick been statspadding whole season and averaging first round exit on below 38% fg shooting for multiple playoffs. people still deem westbrick as "carrying" and better than stephen curry LMAO.
1:07 The truth is the Bucks won because of Brook Lopez blocking KD's shot there (which happened during Overtime). If he hadn't blocked that, the tip of KD's feet on the 3 point line would have been seen as a delay of the inevitable.
I'm subscribed to Andy Hoops with my burner account, but I just had to comment with my real one. Thank you for making this video, Andy. Everyone wants to make a big deal about Kevin Durant's foot on the line, but the bigger reason the Nets had such a disappointing playoffs that season is Joe Harris. Frankly, Joe was one of my favorite players on that Brooklyn squad, but I was flabbergasted at just how awful he played. What in the world went wrong? This guy was an NBA 3-point contest winner and led the league in two separate seasons from beyond the arc. Something affected him that perhaps we will never know. 🏀
Ngl, the NBA is not a league for unidimensional players anymore. After Howard and Rondo downfall in 2012-2014, players not only need to be good/great in one department, they need to be average or good in others. You can't be a good shotblocker and slow with your feet. You can't be a great three point shooter and average in every other offensive aspect of the game. Joe Harris is a good NBA role player, but with or without the injuries, if he has an off shooting night, he is not contributing to winning.
For The Old Heada Like Myself And Others Nick Anderson Has To Be Number 1 He Missed 4 straight Free Throws An Cost The Magics The Game In The NBA Finals His Career Was Never The Same....
Its sad how Joe Harris retired in a bad ending after having struggles in Detroit he retired at the age of 33 years old. He was the best 3 point shooter a few years ago to this.
What sucks about D Will is before Cleveland traded for him he was having a resurgence in Dallas. He never returned to his all star form but he was looked at as a quality guard in the league. Then he just completely forgot how to play basketball all over again
I use to say this about the pure catch and shoot type. Even peak Kyle Korver would fall off in the playoffs. If you can’t put the ball on the floor at all defense closes out on you. That’s a testament to Duncan Robinson to add dribble drives to his game to give variation.
Tbh i think the Nets is kinda cursed in someway. From time to time their team looks great both on paper and on the court and still no ring to show for. I hope someday they could finally win. On the other hand looking back to the IT situation, somehow i relate it to the Kawhi drama with the Spurs back in 2018. It takes Kawhi 4 season to be fully healthy because i think it's been a while since we last saw him play back2back, and this year the Clippers is such a fun team to watch, just like the ... Nets with the combination of former MVP/ Finals MVP
@@pp3k3jamail I still hate Deron Williams till this very day. No dumb questions or anything. I have nothing against the rest of the Nets team, but I still hate Deron, for deciding the disappearing act and for being mentally weak.
KD was a champion with Nets if Joe Harris didn't choke. He had literally no one and almost beat Bucks. People who compare KD to Giannis should STFU first. Giannis sucks with Lilllard atm LOL
Giannis is averaging 31/11/6 right now this season, I don’t think he sucks with Lillard main problem is doc and the Middleton injury and Lillard playing mid all season (Aside from December)
2:40 believe me its not easy to be open, id rather have someone defending me rather than a really open shot. Based on my experience i usually choke when im very open, i mean im no nba player but im sure bball players understand what i mean.
Point God was always ways better than Dwill for those that paid attention to advance stats back before it became more popular. CP3 had seasons of PER of 28 and 30 where Dwill was always in the low 20's. Basically nowaday people would know that one was an MVP type and the other was a fringe all-star, but back then people would scoff when you bring up advanced stats.
Ben Simmons (Man Shot) Nick Anderson (Magic vs Rockets) Free throw away, John Starks Knicks vs Rockets (NY State of Fallen off) Jr Smith in Cleveland (no time outs)
That was honestly Bostons fault for not letting him get surgery or atleast sit out, if he did then maybe he would still play on the celtics and still be good
The way the Celtics treated Isaiah is the reason why some FA or stars are not willing to go to Boston, for example AD’s father specifically said he doesn’t want his son to go to Celtics because of how they treated Isaiah Thomas
Something people dont talk about a lot too is not only was IT injured but also not having Brad Stevens coaching him anymore is huge... Stevens is huge to players that buy into his system, when Kyrie ans Heyward got there they basically wasted a year of Brown and Tatums growth because kyrie doesnt play in a system he just does his own thing.. it was a nightmare scenario for the cavs and celtics.. Stevens is such a great coach and i wish he never stopped cuz the league lost what was probably gonna be an alltime great... And also as a cavs fan i can attest to Deron being bad on our team.. i said the series before the finals thay Deron williams is gonna really hurt us, his skills are still kinda there but his decision making was awful, wide open pass to guarded korver, korver open, forced up a shot instead of passing
As a Celtics fan, it's so sad to see on what happened to IT. I hated Ainge for that. Yeah business wise, Ainge did it pretty good for the team but I just feel like hurt for IT. I also love Kyrie but I was more a big fan of IT though. Hip injuries on small players totally diminish their performance on the court
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I remember Joe Harris being one of the best role players during the 2 years KD Harden and Kyrie were there. Sad to see him no longer on a roster after 2 years
Yeh, playoffs are not for everyone, sad but it's a thing
Only because of Harden the system but he wasn't on the floor that series 😑
Nothing sad . Joe got paid more than what he’s worth
He was better in Cleveland
KD lost a ring because of him going 0-8 on 3pt.
*_Ben Simmons and the 2021 Eastern Conference Semifinals should have been included in here._*
Absolutely not. Ben won his max contract. He doesn't care NBA - basketball. Also he was injured.
People like you think Ben loves NBA like LeBron and cries over it. Lol. He is happy with his supermax contract and rested easy.
How the fuck "career is ruined" when you had $177,243,360 contract?
You guys are delusion. Just stfu.
Too easy
As disappointing as he has been, he may not be on here due to him still being productive (when he’s rarely available) and out of everyone here he has some chance of still being decent. Everyone else truly did fall off a cliff completely.
True but at the same time its kinda like shoving at our face now, everybody knows it by now
I like that he left ben out as he's a more recent and notable example of a player falling off after a playoff series.
Joe Harris broke my heart during that Bucks series. He just kept missing man 😭😭
He went 1-11 in game 3 which was decided by a single possession. He was broken from then. Regular season performer against trash teams, but folded almost every single time against an elite team. The pressure to produce broke him
@@NamPham-jk5zche lives rent free in my nightmares because that series 🥲💀
Same man. And it wasn't a bunch of wild, hopeless misses (like the D Will clips, for example), the ball just wouldn't go in the hoop 😭
You’re just criticizing him bc he’s white
@@FeiLi-i9zstfu this aint got nun to do with race🤦🏾♂️
Nick Anderson. He missed four critical free throws in Game 1 of the 1995 NBA Finals, on June 7, 1995. His misses allowed the Houston Rockets to force overtime and win the game, and eventually sweep the series 4-0. Anderson’s career was never the same after that, as he struggled mentally and physically. He later admitted that the missed free throws haunted him for the rest of his life.
If they got swept anyways than his free throws didn’t affect the series much. He just gave himself too much credit
@@ElijiahCater-xg9dq They absolutely affected the series
@@ElijiahCater-xg9dqThey would've won game one if he made those free throws. It definitely affected the series
Crazy this isn’t on the list
@@AggravatedMan365they would’ve lost anyway if u can beat a team 4 times in a row theres no universe where a game or two would switch the series
That Isaiah Thomas situation really changed how this and the following generation of players viewed GM's and owners as a whole.
And Vise Versa.. Once a player is injured, most of them are considered damage goods by the team.
@@Lycan683 What’s wrong with that?Teams invest millions of dollars on these guys and if they have serious injury problems then it’s gonna affect how much they get paid or whether they get a roster spot at all.Its just how things work.
@@BrooklynBalla Nothing wrong at all.. it is business..
@@BrooklynBalla it means nothing wrong with players refusing to play as well. clubs could just pay him based on his contract . it's al business right? lol
@@BrooklynBalla It just sucks
I remember when Richard Jefferson was on the cavs with deron Williams, he said the warriors eyes would light up when deron stepped on the floor
They were already abysmal on defense during that season, idk why they still sought him out instead of a defensive wing
@@AqwDragulum because lebron wants everyone. lebron is known to do that after a trade deadline if not at the trade deadline. people even forget bogut was signed and played less than a minute for the cavs that season
Bogut broke his leg one minute into his debut@@blacklightmatters4772
@@blacklightmatters4772cavs legend
@@blacklightmatters4772y’all nggas always make it about lebron
Joe is like the opposite of Duncan Robinson in the playoffs 😂
Ayo fxcts 😂
Facts
He turns into No Harris 💀
Joe is horrendous doesnt deserve another contract.. had he even shot 40% fg in 21 brooklyn prob wins it all lmfao
Finally someone who acknowledges Duncan 🙌 ppl always talking sh*t about him even the own Miami Heat fans and it hurts me as a heat fan … one of the scariest shooters in the league but always gets doubted he going off this season!!!
My heart breaks for IT. I had the same injury and ended up needing 3 surgeries (1 hip scope, 1 neurosurgery to repair damaged nerves, and a hip scope revision surgery just last month). It absolutely sucks. It effects every aspect of your life; sitting, standing, walking, running, squatting, driving, changing directions, sex, sleep. It's a crappy injury coupled with orthopedic surgeons who don't know wtf they're doing.
I'm sorry to hear that..Gotta Suck 🙏🏾
Insert Ben Simmons and the 2021 series against the Atlanta Hawks. That series broke him.
Ben won his contract MAX and doesnt care anymore. If he wanted a max, he would perform. Also, he was injured
People like you think Ben loves NBA and basketball so much LMFAO. Nothing broke him. You guys are in delusion.
@@supernotnatural that series broke him. That game turned 76ers fans against him, he then responded by posting ig stories dissing the crowd, so he turned on them too. Then he don't wanna play anymore
The hawks cheated that whole playoff run. If i was constantly in foul trouble coz of a cheater and then everyone blamed me instead of doc I'd prolly break as well.
@@jakasmalakashow did the hawks cheat? Sixers had a 20 something point lead and a 19 point lead in 2 of those games and still lost😂
@@jakasmalakasno everybody expected the hawks offense to be so good that playoff run caught Alot teams off guard how cohesive they was had nothing at all to do with fouls especially when embid is the a foul merchant
As a nets fan Harris hurts deep he went from beating curry in the 3pt contest to riding the pistons bench
Man he couldnt HIT A DAMN LAKE with his horrendous shooting and he had SOOOO MANY WIDE OPEN SHOTS
the amount of wide open shots he bricked were INSANE
@@Bigedub101 that ankle injury really messed him up
@@PanteraEnjoyer at least he could say he was the first person on a New York team to win a three-point contest especially against Steph Curry
Ben Simmons should 100% be on this list
unlikely as it seems, he still has time
What makes a player pass a wide open dunk in a critical playoff game?
@@andycanoy863 sabotage or fear
@@johnnytimestamp8224 Probably a mix of both knowing what was going on behind the scenes with him and Philly
@@johnnytimestamp8224 No it's over for him
Still crazy that the Cavs accepted that IT trade. Most don't remember, but he actually failed the physical needed to complete the trade and he failed because of that hip injury. Yet the Cavs still went through with it
The Cavs were desperate to strike gold while they still had Lebron
@@Geojr815 true but an undersized guard coming off of hip surgery and failing a physical is clearly not gold. There had to be better trade options
Kyrie really wanted to be gone from Cavs, and he would take season ending surgery if he wasn’t traded
@@Ghostface2point0 well that’s what I mean. He had issues but he was also in the running for league MVP not too long before that. So they were taking a high risk high reward type deal
Is so hard to just be a 3 point specialist like Joe Harris. If you are not making open shots,your entire world collapses. You got to be able to put the ball on the floor a little bit,do something else to get in rhythm.
Duncan Robinson learned to put the ball on the floor and make himself more relevant to his team. Shooting specializing (especially 3 point shooting) is a skill heavily based on supreme confidence. You lose a bit of it and you are less valuable to your team.
@@bball3048mm for real,your shooting mechanics can be 10/10 but if the confidence is not there,you are not making it
Attack the basket
Lil Joe Harris was the reason the Nets didn’t win the 2021 playoffs lol
It was worse when he got hunted on defense
@@yoitsSmitty2004facts,i remember watching game 3 where he couldnt hit shit and was WIDE-OPEN SHOTS
RandomDaProblem in da comments lol
Joe Harris's wide open bricks in game 3 haunt me to this day. I cannot fathom how a player of his calibre can miss wide open shots. Really puts Jr Smith in your face 3 pointers into perspective.
My coach in high school always tell us that if you have an off night shooting the ball even if you're wide open, attack the basket
He was only a hs coach for a reason!
What? That's good advice though @@tony4534
@@tony4534And Erik Spol was a video editor for a reason
@@BrightNights645nice pull....I keep forgetting that abt coach spo
@@BrightNights645 Spoelstra was a 27 year old coordinator for a pro team…
Problem with players like Joe Harris is the defense and always will be for players like him. I mean JJ Reddick had a damn near all star level season but his defense was always leaving a lot to be desired. Fact of the matter I think 3 and NO D players are always gonna fail. To win a ring you need to at least be capable at both sides, but for some they can only do one. Look at Isaiah Thomas dude could still be in the league if he was 6’3 and was more capable on defense
This post reminds me Darius Garland from the Cavs
@@devontebroom6800 Garland does have good playmaking potential, but yea dudes too small on D and guy like Lonzo would body him
JJ was small and mediocre on D but I wouldn’t even say Joe was bad on D he just couldn’t produce in pressure. Your overthinking it
IT is back in the league
@@Keviekev115 W hope he goes crazy never thought he would be back
Williams was crossing Curry up in that clip then barely grazed the rim I remember watching it live and was like Damn D Will is finished
he was just awful that whole series man, not surprising he never made a roster again after that
Na dawg he just kept missing ts still make me mad to this day 😂 ain’t no excuse for that 😂
IT is one shinning example of why I no longer fault players for doing what's best for them and not 'sacrificing for the team'. Ask for that max, get that surgery ASAP Bc these teams will use these players up and discard them like yesterday's news.
Facts people bring up rings and all yet soon as u get hurt, throw u away like trash
@@Bigedub101it was even more grimy cause he dropped 50 after his sister he still played ainge did that man forever dirty I know that will always be on his conscience
the part two with ben simmons in 7 years gonna go crazy
Joe Harris will always be my second favorite Nets' player behind D-Lo during the Kenny Atkinson era. He was still a solid player before injuries ruined his career.
and he's also the nets fan most hated due to him having the worse shooting during the franchise important moments
Injuries didn’t ruin him a bad playoff series did. His confidence is shot
Deron Williams had some injury issues but nowhere near as much as most guys whose careers went south because of them. It’s still kinda mysterious how he just fell off the way he did.
If you ask me, he thought the grass was greener away from Utah. Turns out Jerry Sloan’s system brought the best out of him.
what didnt get brought up is he had surgery on his wrist, i believe his shooting hand. that is going to affect your play.
The first year he was in Brooklyn he killed it. It was the wrist or ankle issue no idea what it was but he was never the same after that
You triggered my PTSD of Deron Williams beating my rockets in multiple years
Alternate title: three NBA players who REALLY needed a sports psychologist.
Getting a sports psychologist wouldn’t have helped IT lol
@@X02Overdosesurgery would’ve helped
Another gem from AndyHoops… keep it up brother 👏
It ultimately was a short blip, but there was about a five-year stretch where there was a real debate as to whether Chris Paul or Deron Williams was the best point guard in the NBA. From 2008 to 2012, Williams averaged 19.5 PPG and 10.2 APG and guided the Jazz on some decent playoff runs. Williams was even a major contributor to the 2008 and 2012 Olympic Gold Medal teams. For whatever reason, Williams career really fell off once he turned 29 and he was out of the NBA before he turned 33 years old. So, while he clearly lost the battle with Chris Paul for Point God, he was still a star in the league for half a decade.
He had a degenerative knee condition. He was cooked
He was a bit heavy for a point guard, which can speed up wear and tear
or fell off due to wrist surgery
I was surprised Ben Simmons wasn't on here; immediately upon seeing this I figured he would be the headliner. But thinking a bit more about it, I think the real reason he wasn't on here is because he is still an active player who may in theory overcome his own predicament (as unlikely as it looks at this time). Harris was recently waived and likely out of the league, Thomas is out of the league for 2 years, and Deron is retired.
Let’s gooo!! Thanks Andy!!
Joe Harris absolutely broke my heart. The Bucks did not deserve to win that series. They struggled against an insanely injured Nets team that was also being held back by Steve Nash horrific coaching and Joe Harris shooting. It was essentially a 4 on 7.
The Isaiah Thomas story always gets me.
All Joe Harris had to do was hit a few open 3 pointers in game 7 and the Nets would have a championship. He turned to garbage after game 2 and i just don't understand how.
He is a role player that's why..There is a guy on Celtics currently like that named Sam Hauser
@@coops1992 That's true, but he had one job lol. This goes to show that there are levels to role players. That's why Steve Kerr has 5 rings as a player and Robert Horry has 7. Even as a role player, you cant shrink in the moment.
not even in the game 7. Hes 1/11 in in game 3, where they lost by a single posession
@@drewmark3549 He was getting so many open shots too, just to brick em. I was so angry watching Joe consistently miss open shots while KD was fighting for his life and needed a lifeline.
@@smoothsavage2870 funny thing is, Landey shamet was way better than him that series 😭 How is Nash letting him play 30 +mins being a liability both offense and defense. He was getting cooked bad by Middleton too
Dude, I love your videos so much. They are my favorite way to scratch my basketball itch since I can’t really talk about it with people I know. Keep them coming! 🔥
Do a part 2 Andy please !🙏🏽
As a New Jersey native and lifelong nets fan, this video was brutal to watch it
Nick Anderson with the magic after the miss ft..
That’s a good one but these dudes are young and have recently bias
Every time I see Joe Harris I weep on the inside 😢 It's really painful Just a complete choker in the playoffs
It’s crazy because he did put Ben Simmons in this video it would have been 3 Net players lol
Crazy how joe harris went from one of the best 3pt shooters to out of the league in just a few years
Joe Harris definitely his career went downhill after that bucks series in 2021, one of the best role players during those 2 seasons kd harden and Kyrie were there, sad to see he's not even on a active NBA roster anymore
Damn he not even on an NBA roster 🤣, that’s tuff. As a nets fans that boy fell off so damn hard man. Lakers need to sign that man
His career went downhill during the Bucks season
@@el1tefire252you know its over when Detroit waives you
I was at the Fiserv Forum for game 3 against the Nets and can confirm Joe Harris played like straight cheeks.
O ik I seen it from my living room tv that whole series brick after fuckin brick
Roy Hibbert’s ZERO points and ZERO rebounds performance ended his career
13:03 Give that guy manual what are you doing. That sums up Deron Williams stint in Cleveland.
No Roy Hibbert or Nick Anderson? The latter had his free throw percentage dipping because of a crucial miss in the 1995 NBA Finals.
Roy Hibbert is a strange case. I don't think there's one specific moment in a series.It seems like one season he just forgot how to play ball.
My guess is with the case of Roy Hibbert, his style of play went extinct pretty quickly similar to Greg Monroe.
@@ninecool11 2014 Game 5 Loss 0 points 0 rebounds in 12 minutes without any injuries and that playoffs ruined his career after becoming an All Star that season. Nine players in the playoffs are averaging more points per game than the 24 Hibbert has scored in total. Mike Dunleavy Jr. almost scored more points in one half (19) than Hibbert has in 10. Hibbert, who is 7’2″, is being out-rebounded by Chris Paul, John Wall and Jeff Teague. He has the same amount of blocks as Russell Westbrook and Kemba Walker.
That says it all.
@@andycanoy863 Nine players in the playoffs are averaging more points per game than the 24 Hibbert has scored in total. Mike Dunleavy Jr. almost scored more points in one half (19) than Hibbert has in 10. Hibbert, who is 7’2″, is being out-rebounded by Chris Paul, John Wall and Jeff Teague. He has the same amount of blocks as Russell Westbrook and Kemba Walker.
@@highlightboy23 he went from from an 80 plus overall to 65 almost in an instant
Just thinking about Ben Simmons and not even just the Hawks series back in 2021 but how passing that open dunk or layup over Trae Young is the epitome of the this video, I don’t think a single move on the court ruined a players career as bad as that
I felt like every time i watched the Nets,
It was a game where joe harris was having an off night
You Gotta do one for the 90s.
I know there editing when you are making a show and trying to fit in what is best for the narrative. Your segment on Deron Williams though is so good as to not be believed and sad at the same time. How it seemed he was forgetting how to play the game that some nights a couple of years before he legitimately could have claimed that he was the best player in the world hit me like a Frazier left hook
Joe Harris big reason why kd don’t have 3 rings rn all he had to do was just hit 1 kd woulda done the rest😢🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Ben Simmons isn't in this video because he's still in the league, but he'll be in a video like this soon......
Joe Harris is also in the league
@@veljkoradovic7162 Nope, he's currently not on any roster and I doubt anyone picks him up.
@@ant4613 Still he was in the league like month ago
@@veljkoradovic7162 "Joe Harris is also in the league" is a false statement, that's all.
@@ant4613 Brother it's not that deep,trust me
Andy sounds like he's really sad things went this way for these players lmao Subbed
Ben Simmons 2021 Eastern Conference Finals vs. Hawks
Waiving 👋👋😊
this hurts me. so bad. it would’ve been a KD defining legacy run.
Man I forgot how much of a charity home the 2017 and 2018 Cavs were.
Rose, Wade, IT, DWill
Too bad it's a really banged up/washed version of them.
Celtics REALLY did IT dirty man, to think what he did for the organization during that period. And what happened to her sister etc.
Damned if you do damned if you don’t for Boston. Ainge would’ve got fired if he backed up the Brinks truck for IT
D Will was my favorite PG growing up. Watching him fall off was tough.
I'm a Brooklyn Nets fan and I will never get over that Joe Harris performance it's still hurts till this day 😢
Can’t wait for spring to get here!! Tired of this winter!!
Sir, this is a Wendy's
Joe Harris used to be one of my favorite players one the Vaughn Nets and on the Nash era. After that series I was heartbroken for him. Everybody left him for dead when he was a sharpshooter, hope he is doing well wherever he is 🙏🏼
I don't know about "ruined" but three all stars who've been defined by playoff failure in recent memory are Ben Simmons (Hawks game 7), Devin Booker (Mavs game 7) and Paul George (Nuggets game 7)
The D-Book one is based on the picture of Doncic. He was running his mouth but he did his part for the team. Plus ever since then he has done nothing but prove people wrong about him...... He took an L but he isint a choker.
@@alexandermorgan4098 Book against Bucks game six in finals: 8 for 22, 19 pts
Against Nuggets game six: 4 for 13, 12 pts
Not saying his career is ruined but that’s THREE big examples of playoff choke in elimination games.
I kinda forgot about those. I stand corrected. 😅
@@alexandermorgan4098buddy Booker choked in 2021-23, he ran out of gas in game 6 in those finals against the bucks yea but he still went missing in the 4th, did nothing in game 7 against the mavs the next year and still got destroyed by another foreign player JOKIC in 2023
If the Nets won the champinship it would be crazy
Harden might've stayed
Kyrie probably wouldn't have stayed
KD would probably stay when their there
and Harden would be champion and Kyrie and KD would finally get a chip without Curry and Bron
nah joe harris missing those shots were insane to watch live
I have watched a lot of your videos Andy, this one hurt for some reason. Maybe cause I was aware of all of these situations and these player's careers. Harris is the only one I was not as up on. I vaguely remember him not playing well in that series, but I forgot or did not know how bad it really was. I knew how good he was before and how not good he was after lol. IT was amazing for that one season, especially at that size. Then you had the death of his sister in that playoff series too.
Deron was my pick over CP3 back in the day. I remember when he got traded to the Nets and my roommate in college was a Nets fan. He had a couple of decent seasons but I remember that 2017 finals. Unplayable is a perfect way to say it, but they had to play him because that was how slim that Cavs team was. It is like he forgot how to play basketball.
Harris could've made a couple 3s vs the Bucks and they go to the ECF
In my opinion Steve Smith was the guy who disappointed me the most from that Portland team that blew that game 7 against the Lakers. I don't know if he was most to blame but nobody could buy a bucket.
Celtics did IT dirty man🤦♂️
Not really its a business. Not like they cut him or something they got kyrie irving for an injured IT thats robbery
@@justinherrera1700Then it’s an awful business, crippling your employees to maximize your assets. That’s straight up evil.
@@yodatscrazy981 “crippling” by sending him to another team? is it their fault his injury ruined his career? Again you acting like they cut him or something. Players do the same thing KD crippled the thunder when he left lebron shaq etc. Sport is a business they not gonna pass on an opportunity to better their team. Ask my wizards what loyalty to bradley beal did for them. NOTHING
@@justinherrera1700 Yes it is unless you have proof that Isaiah has a doctorate in medicine and has extensive knowledge in sports medicine. It is the Celtics and their medical staffs fault that they gave incorrect information to Isaiah that ended up costing him his health. They purposely misinformed him on the true extent on his injury in order to maximize his value which is disgusting. A business shouldn’t mean engaging in purposeful malpractice. And if that’s your idea of success I regret to inform you that it will cost you like it did the Celtics, Anthony Davis publicly stated that if it wasn’t for the IT scandal he would have signed with Boston.
@@yodatscrazy981Google “Isaiah Thomas pleaded with Celtics medical staff to keep playing” and read the Boston Globe article.
You’re making shit up.
That Joe Harris is most likely a construction worker now. Harvesting all the bricks he made while playing in the NBA playoffs.
Please make the second part. It's very intresting!
Roy Hibbert was never the same again after that abysmal playoff series
That’s a good one I ain’t thought about that in years
Joe Harris was my favourite player on that Nets roster, it was really sad to see his career fall off a cliff like that.
Lebron and 2011 Mavericks. Killed by JJ Barea and Jason Terry 🤣
westbrick been statspadding whole season and averaging first round exit on below 38% fg shooting for multiple playoffs.
people still deem westbrick as "carrying" and better than stephen curry LMAO.
0:02 Bro don't say "stakes", just say "implications". I hate hearing the word steak, it makes me hungry AF
😂😂😂😂
1:07 The truth is the Bucks won because of Brook Lopez blocking KD's shot there (which happened during Overtime). If he hadn't blocked that, the tip of KD's feet on the 3 point line would have been seen as a delay of the inevitable.
💥💥How the heck is Nick Anderson not on this list. I would have put Nick Anderson on the list instead of daron Williams
that first part where he said harris was just “standing around” was a completely differently play😂just tryna mak him look worse
KAT rewrote his narrative so far this post season
I'm subscribed to Andy Hoops with my burner account, but I just had to comment with my real one. Thank you for making this video, Andy.
Everyone wants to make a big deal about Kevin Durant's foot on the line, but the bigger reason the Nets had such a disappointing playoffs that season is Joe Harris.
Frankly, Joe was one of my favorite players on that Brooklyn squad, but I was flabbergasted at just how awful he played. What in the world went wrong?
This guy was an NBA 3-point contest winner and led the league in two separate seasons from beyond the arc. Something affected him that perhaps we will never know. 🏀
Ngl, the NBA is not a league for unidimensional players anymore. After Howard and Rondo downfall in 2012-2014, players not only need to be good/great in one department, they need to be average or good in others. You can't be a good shotblocker and slow with your feet. You can't be a great three point shooter and average in every other offensive aspect of the game. Joe Harris is a good NBA role player, but with or without the injuries, if he has an off shooting night, he is not contributing to winning.
The world or any career now a days
For The Old Heada Like Myself And Others Nick Anderson Has To Be Number 1 He Missed 4 straight Free Throws An Cost The Magics The Game In The NBA Finals His Career Was Never The Same....
As a Nets fan I miss Joe he used to be a great 3 point shooter 😢
Honestly i hate Joe Harris because if he hit his shots in 2021, KD would get a ring of his own so shame on him
I think RDC said it best about Deron Williams:
"Deron...1 point?!"
Bruh Ben Simmons mind got broken from that series. He’s yet to recover
Man that Joe Harris playoff run was brutal I felt so bad for him
Its sad how Joe Harris retired in a bad ending after having struggles in Detroit he retired at the age of 33 years old. He was the best 3 point shooter a few years ago to this.
Til this day I still have hatred for Joe Harris cuz of how bad he played in the ECF
He was the reason the nets failed with KD against Milwaukee
What sucks about D Will is before Cleveland traded for him he was having a resurgence in Dallas. He never returned to his all star form but he was looked at as a quality guard in the league. Then he just completely forgot how to play basketball all over again
I use to say this about the pure catch and shoot type. Even peak Kyle Korver would fall off in the playoffs. If you can’t put the ball on the floor at all defense closes out on you.
That’s a testament to Duncan Robinson to add dribble drives to his game to give variation.
Thomas should be off the list/video (more of an injury problem) and Ben Simmons should be on it.
Tbh i think the Nets is kinda cursed in someway. From time to time their team looks great both on paper and on the court and still no ring to show for. I hope someday they could finally win. On the other hand looking back to the IT situation, somehow i relate it to the Kawhi drama with the Spurs back in 2018. It takes Kawhi 4 season to be fully healthy because i think it's been a while since we last saw him play back2back, and this year the Clippers is such a fun team to watch, just like the ... Nets with the combination of former MVP/ Finals MVP
I haven't watched the full video yet but the first person that came to mind was Ben Simmons
I’ve hated Deron Williams ever since that playoff series against the Heat.
And when he became the laughing stock in 2017, I’ve hated him even more
Did you really think that old ass super team the nets had was going to beat that heat team? like come on bruh y'all people delusional.
@@pp3k3jamail I still hate Deron Williams till this very day. No dumb questions or anything.
I have nothing against the rest of the Nets team, but I still hate Deron, for deciding the disappearing act and for being mentally weak.
KD was a champion with Nets if Joe Harris didn't choke. He had literally no one and almost beat Bucks. People who compare KD to Giannis should STFU first.
Giannis sucks with Lilllard atm LOL
2 MVPs>1
Giannis is averaging 31/11/6 right now this season, I don’t think he sucks with Lillard main problem is doc and the Middleton injury and Lillard playing mid all season (Aside from December)
Giannis don't suck lol
2:40 believe me its not easy to be open, id rather have someone defending me rather than a really open shot. Based on my experience i usually choke when im very open, i mean im no nba player but im sure bball players understand what i mean.
Point God was always ways better than Dwill for those that paid attention to advance stats back before it became more popular. CP3 had seasons of PER of 28 and 30 where Dwill was always in the low 20's. Basically nowaday people would know that one was an MVP type and the other was a fringe all-star, but back then people would scoff when you bring up advanced stats.
Ben Simmons (Man Shot) Nick Anderson (Magic vs Rockets) Free throw away, John Starks Knicks vs Rockets (NY State of Fallen off) Jr Smith in Cleveland (no time outs)
That was honestly Bostons fault for not letting him get surgery or atleast sit out, if he did then maybe he would still play on the celtics and still be good
The way the Celtics treated Isaiah is the reason why some FA or stars are not willing to go to Boston, for example AD’s father specifically said he doesn’t want his son to go to Celtics because of how they treated Isaiah Thomas
Its a dumb statement..essentially, you can always say that about the Celtics.
Stars will go to boston. Just like they’ll go to some other big market.
Something people dont talk about a lot too is not only was IT injured but also not having Brad Stevens coaching him anymore is huge... Stevens is huge to players that buy into his system, when Kyrie ans Heyward got there they basically wasted a year of Brown and Tatums growth because kyrie doesnt play in a system he just does his own thing.. it was a nightmare scenario for the cavs and celtics.. Stevens is such a great coach and i wish he never stopped cuz the league lost what was probably gonna be an alltime great... And also as a cavs fan i can attest to Deron being bad on our team.. i said the series before the finals thay Deron williams is gonna really hurt us, his skills are still kinda there but his decision making was awful, wide open pass to guarded korver, korver open, forced up a shot instead of passing
As a Celtics fan, it's so sad to see on what happened to IT. I hated Ainge for that. Yeah business wise, Ainge did it pretty good for the team but I just feel like hurt for IT. I also love Kyrie but I was more a big fan of IT though. Hip injuries on small players totally diminish their performance on the court