Deltarune Theory : Why Ralsei Is NOT Evil
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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I think the idea of Ralsei wanting a darkner army is silly.
What I don't think is silly is Ralsei, a being of pure darkness, potentially wanting to absorb a massive amount of darkners.
In the words of Flowey:
"... you know what the best part is? It's all your fault.
It's all because you MADE THEM love you.
All the time you spent listening to them...
Encouraging them...
Caring about them...
Without that, they wouldn't have come here. And now, with their souls and the humans' _(*lightners'?)_ together...
I will achieve my REAL FORM."
Though that being said, maybe that'd be a bit too obvious for Toby Fox.
Thing is, we saw so little of Asriel Dreemurr in Undertale, we had more experience with him as Flowey than anything else. Ralsei's demeanor is so far removed from Flowey, that the idea of Ralsei doing a Flowey-esque betrayal rarely seems to cross peoples minds. It's the main reason why I still think Ralsei will betray us, it'll still be a strong betrayal. Because even if youre fully expecting it, its still going to be _heart wrenching_ when it happens. Toby's set up with Ralsei is perfect, I _hate_ and _fear_ the idea of Ralsei wearing a grin and going _"You IDIOT."_
But thats just my take lmao.
My goodness is this well put together! Wonderful Job!
I've seen someone datamine that code says that safety is not achieved and especially kris and ralsei are not safe
Kris is kinda understandable, we, as a player, control them, thus they can't be safe from us
Ralsei though
if your right i wont even be surprised tbh
@@shittestcat you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that anywhere myself
@@hexbug101 saw it on twitter w/ a screenshot but can't find it now
I'd like to find it myself but i dunno how to datamine
Everyone seems quick to assume Ralsei is evil, not that Ralsei isn’t sometimes sketchy but that doesn’t make him an evil character. I do believe he’s withholding some information, but like you said, I don’t think he’s got ill intent.
Same. There’s definitely stuff he’s hiding and he’s really mysterious but I agree and don’t think he’s evil either
The fact that everyone quickly assumes ralsei is evil, means that they probably aren’t
I don’t think he’s evil but he’s defintelly hiding something important
@@ChadRepson probably because he thinks hiding it is better.
Yea. For some reason, i even think (warning, bad theory is coming, and it has basically no base) Ralsei is the son of the Roaring Knight, and he dont like what the knight is doing. And the knight and Kris are separated beings but in the same time are the same (still dont have a headcannon or a theory of what it is exactly).
The fact if Ralsei being Knight's son is coming because of him saying he is the "prince" of darkness. And we already saw a son betraying his own father, like Lancer and the King that i forgot its name lmao.
But, i have no base in anything im talking about, but i want ppl to see my opinion and debate about it :)
I honestly don't think he's evil, mostly because of his sincere kindness to everybody in chapter one. Like, he even healed the King for gods sake. However, I do believe that he's hiding something pretty major considering his knowledge of the Light World, and the fact that he just brushes off the Spamton fight like nothing happened.
You'd be fooled by Lex Luthor or many abusive or manipulative real people.
You do something nice, something no one would doubt... then stab them in the back and/or hold it against them.
Then when that person tries to get back at you... everyone thinks they are the monster because you were kind.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 thank you , just because someone is nice doesn’t mean their truly “good”
I wonder if at some point when we don't recruit monsters whether it be by chilling them out or hitting them in the face that it will have some story elements later on (thought popped in my head and had to get it out somewhere).
To be fair though, him healing king could very well be a reason for him not being good. Since,you know, there could've been a plan to let the king hurt the lightners.
If he actually is evil then his shown kindness is the point. But I do think he's not evil, it's a cheap twist for someone like Toby to do it. I think in later chapters he would get misunderstood by Susie and Kris because of his suspicious attitude and they'll separate.
“Imagine going into a janitorial closet and meeting an alien that looks just like your brother”
I’m dead lmao
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I don’t think he’s evil, but I definitely think he’s aware of the difference between Kris and the player, and that awareness guides his actions.
I think he is... accidentally evil. Like, he doesn't seem to have any evil intentions, and in fact it seems like he actively wants to be a good guy, it's just that he also seems to have a very surface-level understanding of what that means.
It's funny because in general, there are similarities between how the characters, Ralsei and Sans (in UT) are portrayed:
Both have an understandable surface with a strange underneath, and know more than they give off.
One is a punny skeleton man and the other is a huggable fluffy boy.
@@tarvoc746 So the opposite of Rouxls
@@imdumbbut8915 Huh. In a way, yeah, I guess.
I like to think that he's genuinely kind by nature, but there's things that stick out to me as very odd.
I think
a. He wants Kris to be his friend
b. He knows we aren't Kris
c. He's talking to Kris when we're not there
By assuming these things to be true, a lot of his behavior begins to line up.
Some of many examples:
-Being oddly pushy about the player watching the Susie/Noelle cut scene
-His reactions to the player's interactions with the dummy (if you hug him instead of attacking it, etc.)
-Kris and Ralsei tea
-His reactions to the photo he and Kris take during the swan tunnel (speaking of which, the title of the song that plays in the background is 'tunnel if love.' I can't be the only one this sticks out to)
-Blushing when the player stands close to him
-Being oddly self-aware
-Being aware of the light world
One of these I'd like to point out in particular is blushing when the player is near him for an extended period of time. Even though he's fully aware that we as the player control most of Kris's actions (as proven by his dialogue before the Susie/Noelle cutscene), he still doesn't mind when we force Kris to do things like hugging him a lot.
This, in my mind, says that he's got two conflicting desires here. To be friends with Kris and to know the actual Kris. Though he likes it when 'Kris' does overly affectionate things, he knows it's not really them. He wants Kris's genuine friendship, so enjoying the player's friendship makes him feel guilty. He doesn't know if the real Kris actually cares for him (which the player can see from the teas and other dialogue that Kris's feelings are mixed).
that... actually makes a lot of sense
D. All of the above
that actually lines up pretty well, my dude
Yeah that's much better than "oooOoooo he's making Kris EEEviiillLl" just because he takes the player away some scenes
So in the acid tunnel sequence, when Ralsei asks you if you think that this is nice, you can answer that it feels weird, or that it feels nice. If you say the former, he'll turn away. If you answer the latter, he'll face it.
Another thing:
A lot of people ask: “if he isn’t betraying anybody, how can he go into other dark worlds without getting turned to stone?” The answer is simple, since ralsei was created in the true dark world, he is made of full darkness. This allows him to be able to travel to any dark world without the side effects caused by doing it.
even if they disprove that, there is the fact that he is “one of the three that the prophecy told of”, and because of that, he is special in some way that allows him to travel between worlds as long as kris and susie go there as well
@@SilverFoxeGames in chapter 2 he’s a “LV 2 Dark Prince”
He straight up says that *sometimes* Darkners can't handle being in other Dark Worlds. Nobody seems to question that other Darkners have no problem living in Ralsei's castle town without turning to stone.
@@anonymone453 its because his dark fountain is made of pure darkness so anyone can live in his world.
@@anonymone453 He also straight up told Susie that the only way Lancer can go back to normal is by going to his Castle/Dark world since it's made of pure darkness. He also didn't said "sometimes".
All the "hints" that Ralsei is secretly evil can easily be explained:
Ralsei knows stuff we don't...so what? He's a walking lore encyclopedia, why overwhelm the heroes with information when he can instead tell them what they need to know as soon as it's relevant to their quest (That's how tutorials work).
Ralsei's "don't think about it" comment could be interpreted, not as misdirection, but as him wanting to make sure Kris is ok. Also...Ralsei thinks he knows everything about this quest, if he's faced with something he doesn't understand, he'll just try to find a reasonable explanation ("he was just a corrupted program").
Ralsei's only secret could be his low self-steem: he spent his whole life waiting for the prophecy, he holds this belief that darkners exist to serve lightners. At first Ralsei tried to hide his face and be as nice as possible because he wanted Kris and Susie to like him. Only now he's gaining some sense of individuality, being more like himself, but he's still unsure of what it even means to be Ralsei beyond his "purpose".
This!!
That'd be just so underwhelming lol
"Yea so this guy that suspiciously looks like Kris's brother, doesn't look like the other darkners, is just very sus is general is just... sad, he's not evil because he's sad, he's not even evil he's just sad"
Also you really don't think telling Kris and Susie why they're even closing these fountains in the first place is important?
Also how does he know the exact layout of the school from the light world when he supposedlyhas never been there? He knows alot we don't and doesn't want us asking questions. Kris also prefers Susie over him
@@Quinhala11 There can be more to Ralsei without him needing to be some secret evil mastermind.
*Everyone:* KRIS OPENED A NEW FOUNTAIN!!
*Reality:* they where digging for the hidden pie*
He found the gas tubulation and everyone dies the end
Be. CAREFUL!!! Next thing you know, Toby Fox reads your comment and thinks “Oh yeah, that’s a good idea!” I know it’s not an animation, but you don’t know what could influence the mind of that madman!
He was try find the pie ore
They actually found petroleum and are millionaire now.
@@lauti-nbog Kris with 999999 KROMER
It'd be cool if the character tea healed more as chapters go on, as their relationships will keep growing
Awww, that would be so sweet! ^w^
it would also reward people for saving their items instead of being like "oh kris took 20 damage, time to use all of my items"
@@ketaminepoptarts yep, they already had that with Spin Cake and the Glow Shard, as the Glow Shard's sell value increases each chapter and the Spin Cake heals more each chapter (it healed 70 to each party member in chapter 1 and in chapter 2 it heals 120 to each member)
@@richardkirkland6805 It’s 140 in chapter 2
Susie tea recover 2400 HP to Noelle in chapter 7
Ralsei seems to be self aware like Spamton or Jevil. But unlike the secret bosses Ralsei isn’t going insane. In fact Ralsei doesn’t seem to care all that much about being in the game, he is very quick to dismiss the implications of the Spamton battle. It’s pretty weird considering what that knowledge does to other characters in Deltarune and Undertale.
It even goes all the way back into chapter 1 where he mentions what keys to press and such, Susie even points it out and Ralsei just ignores her.
So coming back to this I have discovered some new* evidence. It has been pointed out that other characters such as Lancer have made references to the inventory system and such. Even in chapter 1 Lancer mentions how to open the inventory. That's not entirely unusual though, in Undertale some Froggits mention button commands as a funny ha ha joke. However they do not exactly know the specifics of what it actually means, this seems to be the case with Lancer. That was probably the case with Ralsei in chapter 1 as well, but I think that this has changed in chapter 2.
Ralsei appears to have at least some sort of knowledge of the player, this is what sets him apart from Lancer and other characters. One of the stronger pieces of evidence is when Ralsei tells Kris to close their eyes giving the player a Susie cutscene. Some people say this is intended to distract the player, since we come back when Ralsei and Kris are in mid conversation. There's more to it than that though, again Ralsei is very quick to dismiss the implications of the Spamton NEO fight despite Kris being very distressed (its also a more serious scene so its highly doubtable that its a joke). Ralsei is also very reluctant to go against the player's orders, he spends all of chapter 1 judging Susie for fighting yet never questions when the player tells him to fight (also in chapter 2 he doesnt want to learn R action).
In general, aware or not Ralsei knows WAY more about how the world of Deltarune works than anybody else we've met the Prophecy, the Roaring and all. He also appears to have the abillity to see things that other characters cant (he mentions Susie's ride with Noelle and Lancer being on the cliff in chapter 1 despite not being able to witness either of those events and probably wasn't told about them).
So my take on all this is: Ralsei isn't evil (obviously*) but is probably aware of the game or at least the player. It seems that Ralsei believes that he has a certain role to play, it plays into his conflict about what is "Ralsei like" and such. I believe at some point later on in the story Ralsei will probably become much less focused on all this destiny and prophecy stuff and become much more independent like Susie is, maybe even standing up to the player (at least in a snowgrave like route or fighting heavy neutral route).
You must remember however, Lancer addresses the inventory system when hoeing into Kris's pocket, with a similar reaction from Susie.
@@DukeNull I think lancer explains it as being in Kris's pocket rather than "press button to do thing" like Ralsei. Ill have to look into that more to be sure though.
@@auramaster2068
Nah, he specifically says "I'll be in your Key Items"
@@gamerdomain6618 Okay then, but Ralsei still seems to know more than what’s normal. For one thing he knows about saving which other darkners don’t know about.
@@auramaster2068 Duke's point still stands. It could easily just be a meta-joke. Besides, it's not like Lancer had a legitimate reason for Kris to reload anyway, since nothing else would let the gang escape.
My belief is that ralsie is a fusion of the horn headband and Kris's true soul, a manifestation of his desire to be a monster like his family.
He was most likley telling Kris to stop creating fountains even though it brought them together.
The take on what Ralsei is telling Kris is quite unique, a cool spin.
@@DukeNull ralsei is a idealised form of asriel, who was already in the running for nicest sentient being ever.
OOOHHHHHH SHIT THAT MAKES SENSE
Kris can still visit Ralsei without creating fountains, there is the one fountain in the closet which is the main fountain.
*Their
He wasn't omitting about the Roaring, he just wasn't explicit when he told about the prophecy, but he had to explain it again because Birdly and Noelle hasn't heard about that before
You meant to say Birdley and Noelle?
"Birdly and Ralsey"
its Berdly and Ralsei
*Ralsei* explaining the Roaring to Berdly and *_Ralsei_* because *_Ralsei_* hasn't heard about the prophecy doesn't make much sense to me XD.
@@liewzhen9651 sorry brain melting time I was talking about Noelle XD
but why wouldnt he tells us about the titans in ch1?
I also have two more things i wanted to add in regards to the roaring.
1. *Ralsei DID indirectly tell kris and co. About the roaring, but while the prophecy expected kris and the player to connect the dots on their own,the explaination in chapter two spelt it out for them. Why are people acting like this is new information?*
2.*Ralsei not saying anything about the roaring until last minute is simple plot convenience.*
After all,why would the game,in a snowgrave run where the game KNOWS that there is no logical way to give the player access to the thrash robot,SUDDENLY let Ralsei tell Queen about the roaring before the fight?
Exactly
Probably because ralsei has some sort of determination. I mean it makes sense he does know about save and to see other perspective. And he’s seen kris just murder all the monsters. And while I do think ralsei is suspicious not in the evil way. But he knows a lot… maybe he will be the second final boss for genocide route
I think that the roaring thing was only brought up this chapter because Toby changed a lot of things, and the prophecy was one of them. I think this further because the end of chapter 1's pacifist ending made it seem that dark world would be a place you could go back to, but I believe Toby changed the story a little and changed it so that dark world disappeared.
@@snatcher226 Yes. Actually, I played the game without seeing any spoilers and what I though was: This is very cool, now that Toby has a team and is able to do a more complex game he is adding more to the Lore and maybe some of this will happend at the history ending. Later, went to youtube and see: Ralsei is evil because he hide the roaring lol.
I'm pretty sure Ralsei made multiple back up plans just in case if someþiŋ bad happens.
The Castle Town recruits' dialogue implies that they're loyal not to Ralsei, but to *Kris*
Pretty sure as far as they are concerned, Ralsei is just some random dude who just helps out the boss.
I thought they were loyal to You, the player, though it's not explicitly stated
@@nesso.9944 Well true.. they named the town as the name your vessel was discarded as one of the people in the towns houses in chapter 2 calls you by the vessels name.. not kris's name
@@bradleydrake6941 sorry but I found this interesting and I haven't found out about it. Can you please give the footage or the location? That would help so much. Thanks
@@jakemight7349 castle town at the beginning of chapter 2. One of the people outside the shops
Hah! I never noticed Kris's reaction to the Susie tea, I'm imagining them looking her straight in the eyes trying to make her uncomfortable. That's exactly the type of thing two teenage friends would do
Mood
I have a feeling that Toby made Ralsei similar to Asriel in many ways so that we can expect that he goes god of death mode too. I don't really believe the theories saying that Ralsei is evil because it's like too in your face?? like yeah he acts really sus sometimes but I think that's what Toby wants, to mess with us and make us believe something just for us to be completely wrong and get jebaited lmao
SUS?!
Bruh literally þoughout all of UT Asriel was tryiŋ to murder us I don't þink þat's a very good comparison.
Also I feel like Ralsei is more comparable to Sans.
asriel and ralsei act really differently, only similarities between them is appearance
I still don't understand the concerns about Ralsei after the Spamton Neo fight. Like, that's one of the things me and my friends do/say when someone is in high distress without any bad intentions. Rather than questioning more about what happened because it stresses Kris more, Ralsei tried to distract their thoughts and hug it out because he cares about their well-being. They were screaming out-of-character for God's sake.
yeah but why people even expect him to be like super empathetic and super close?, like bruh they literally met yesterday, but well i guess lancer became like susie's best friend in some hours too so i guess is normal for ralsei to be super empathetic and close.... hmm
@@peculiarityenjoyer2053 Yeah, it just depends who they wanna be close, honestly. Kris and Susie also became suddenly close in one day
It's because the whole interaction came off as super manipulative. Telling someone not to worry about something like that when they're that distressed over the issues is COMPLETELY the wrong way to handle the situation and it comes off as super insincere. Even for someone you don't know well. If someone said something like that to me when I was having an anxiety attack, it would honestly just tick me off. It's one of the big no-nos of what not to say to a person in a significant amount of distress. It just belittles their problems and makes them feel bad for being distressed when it's really not something they can just stop thinking about. That's not how people work. It's actually healthy for them to acknowledge that feeling and find the root of it so they can genuinely move on. If they try to stop thinking about it, it just gets bottled up and never goes away. Thing is, most people who say that kind of stuff have good intentions and don't know any better, but the way Ralsei acted in that situation was just super fishy, whether he had good intentions or not. That's why everyone is so put off.
@@lolymop333 Ooohhhh, thanks for that, actually.
It got me thinking though. Wouldn't that be hypocritical of us saying that Ralsei is bad because he manipulated Kris by distracting their thoughts? We do be controlling Kris throughout chapters, even if we did every good choice out there, we are still horrible for them. We also gotta remember that Ralsei had 1-on-1 talks with Kris whenever the player isn't around, then that would mean that the talks were about addressing the issue of us manipulating them.
@@somebodystolemygoddamncarr520 No problem!
It absolutely would be. This whole game is one big moral dilemma, and that particular point in the story is a huge point of reflection. It's actually really smart.
I don't believe Ralsei's evil, but I personally believe he did something in order to open that first fountain and possible the 2nd too. He talks about how he was alone in his castle, his town. I don't think he has any malicious intent, he just wanted friends and knew opening the fountain would call the heroes and he wouldn't be alone anymore. Probably just going overboard with the underlying fear he'll be alone again
He almost snaps trying to prevent Berdly from opening a new dark fountain, I doubt he even likes the idea of opening one himself.
And not like he could, as Queen stated, only a Lightner with enough DETERMINATION can open a new dark fountain, and Ralsei fits neither.
Another thing, he obviously knows about the Legend and the Roaring, so I dont see why he would want to open dark fountains in the first place. (Other than the being alone thing, but ending the world as we know it probably has more priority over that)
@@DrBlueHigh I know that this dosent really change your theory much but its been shown that queen is a very unreliable narrator and knew basically nothing about the fountains aside from that the knight made them and that the knight was a lightener
@@dimentio9833 Either way, ralsei still fails to fit the description of a character that can open a fountain
Honestly, my biggest question is how Ralsei knows Kris and Susie's names immediately upon first meeting them, as well as how he has knowledge of the school's layout (when he tells you to return to the light world and gather the objects "from the classroom to the east"). Maybe also how exactly he ended up in the library's dark world, as all the other darkners have to be physically carried between dark worlds by Kris.
the "Ralsei getting to the other dark world" _could_ be partly explained by the fact that he seems to be more a more "pure" Darkner (as it seems every Darkner can go to Castletown and Ralsei was probably made from the fountain there) but it only explains _why_ it could be possible, not _how_ he got there though. i guess we'll just have to wait for the "how"
@@zhankazest I'll be honest, i think the reason he was able to get there has nothing to do with the pure darkness of his fountain. I have a feeling that this is something else entirely (i have absolutely no proof of this, it's really just a feeling that i have. I feel like the fountain explanation would be... idk, too simple i guess)
@@ZenganTheFool im believing the pure darkness thing _cautiously_ because although it does seem like the most likely explanation theres nothing saying it has to be that so... we'll have to wait and see.
He's not evil but there's 100% gonna be a huge plot twist with him
I personally think that ralsei is a bunch of abandoned clothing that asriel wore but left in the closet.
This lines up with
1. Ralsei just leaving his clothes when he faints, as it could be his "base form".
2. Why Ralsei is so similar to asriel, in terms of personality, how his name is just asriel scrambled, everything.
Kris not liking Ralsei that much is his denial and sadness over asriel leaving for college and probably not being the same after coming home.
Of course, this doesn't mean Ralsei isn't hiding something but i don't think its anything massively EEEVIIILLL, he was genuinely kind to everyone in chapter 1 and most of chapter 2. His brushing off of the spamton fight could just be him not handling the situation greatly and accidentally not giving the best advice.
I'm not sure what ralsei is hiding, but i personally don't bet it's gonna make him a villain, just less of a hero.
"His brushing off of the spamton fight could just be him not handling the situation greatly and accidentally not giving the best advice" exactly, he's a guide not a therapist lmao
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I love how a lot of people think Ralsei is evil because his behaviour in Chapter 2 is a bit strange. Like, yeah, it's possible that he's hiding something, I don't think he is inherently evil.
His behavior in chapter 1 is also a bit strange. But yeah, that doesn't mean he's evil.
Honestly people only hated Ralsei in chapter 2 because he didn't look as cute
Honestly Ralsei is beiŋ a little sus in chapter 2 but not evil sus more like what Sans does.
The biggest problem with Deltarune theories like Ralsei Is Evil is that people are straight up ignoring the text of the game. Ralsei is explicitly opposed to new dark fountains being created.
If Ralsei ends up being a villain, it's not going to be because he wants to open up dark fountains. It'll probably be because he finds out Kris is responsible for them. Even then, Ralsei is going to have to go through a major character arc to not immediately forgive Kris for making fountains.
Agreed. I am kinda sad to see people straight up ignore the story and jump the gun on theories. The whole "Ralsei is evil" thing is extremely shallow, and is a very simplified interpretation of his character.
Not that people are dumb for making these connections; they are worth at least some discussion. It's just that I can feel some people spamming x and z through the entire game and believing this stuff.
@@bigmommason *holding C*
I think he would probably fight the player if anything, he seems to enjoy kris’s company
There is a zero chance of Ralsei _wanting_ to open new dark fountains. Literally everything he says and does in the game goes against this idea.
He could still be evil in some other way though.
Closing other fountains powers his one up and the only evidence that the roaring is real comes from Ralsei. Jevil says hell will roar, not the roaring. The fountains could easily be safe and Ralsei is trying to get Kris and Susie to power him up. The finale would probably be closing Ralsei’s fountain, killing all the darkners you recruited as well, blocking Kris and Susie off from the dark world.
4:40 It's not just that; I played the game fairly recently and he _doesn't_ keep this from you. He mentions in the first prophecy at the start of Chapter 1 that if you don't seal the dark fountains, the world will end. In his own words, "The sky will run black with terror and the land will crack with fear. Then, her heart pounding... the Earth will draw her final breath." He just doesn't get into the specifics of it right then, likely for the reason you mentioned.
I just wanna know what the ANGEL'S HEAVEN is. What's this "The Roaring" bullshit? I want my 16-bit JRPG engrish plot point back!
@@ElectricBarrier the angel is shown in the roaring scene
@@sergiorubens8475 We don't know if that's what that was, also what's it's heaven? Is darkness overrun light world it's idea of paradise? Why? What does it mean???
And, is it the same Angel as from their religion(probably because again, JRPG influence)?
@@ElectricBarrier look at the begining of the cutscene
@@sergiorubens8475 Oh yeah you're right I thought that was literally just the sigil for some reason and didn't think of it.
It's an unspoken rule in the Deltarune Fandom
If they look innocent, they're evil
If they look evil, they're innocent
Each Kris and Ralsei for example
oh yeah, because papyrus is evil, and lesser dog is evil, and greater dog, and doggo, and dogamy and dogaressa, and half of the random characters in undertale, and lancer, and the bakery guy, they're all evil
@@waffler-yz3gw THAT'S THE JOKE
You know this distrust is probably from all the stuff Toby does stuff to mess with the player. Even without that, It does not help that Ralsei looks like Asriel. If Ralsei looked different, it would probably be easier to trust them. Still absolutely love Ralsei though.
Weeeell the thing is... Ralsei only reveals his physical similarity with Asriel at the _end_ of chapter 1. That means Toby wanted us to trust him during our first run of chapter 1, but then get doubts for everything that comes after, including replays of chapter 1.
@@tarvoc746 I saw Ralsei's reveal (without the hat) to be a form of representation of an arc that he has throughout chapter 1 (and probably 2 and more though we need to wait for that), he is supportive but not very open about himself, but does get more easier with you and reveal more of himself later.
"Ralsei looks like Asriel" We haven't even seen what Asriel looks like in Deltarune and all þe oþer Asriel forms (Flowey, Asriel, and Boþ god of hyperdeath forms) look noþiŋ like Ralsei.
I goota agree on Churro. We dont know what Deltarune asriel looks like and Ralsei does not look like Undertaile Asriel. They are goats with white furr and roughly the same size. So they look about as simular as 2 children of the same species but nothing more.
Kris: literally makes a fountain
Duke of Null: gotta be pie
This video was great! Honestly i just thought that Ralsei being the villan and Kris being the knight would be too obvious to be "revealed" in chapter 2/7. Honestly, its even more unlikely considering Toby Fox
I 100% agree with you! It’s definitely going to be more complicated that meets the eye not something totally obvious.
@@Berryyy_pieee Absolutely! And i see soo many people already saying like if it were a fact "Kris is the knight". They might be, but i don't think we can have it for certain yet!
What if the character you discarded is the knight?
I have no proof whatsoever
@@kandyerzy Well, I can't deny what you said, sooooooo I AGREE
I heard another theory as to why Kris doesn't like Ralsei as much and that's how he seems to mirror everything Kris wishes they were. Not just them being lovable and kind, but even the appearance of being the same type of monster as their family and even having red horns like the red horned headband Toriel mentions giving to them when they were little after they asked when their horns would grow in. So he's not evil, but still makes Kris uncomfortable.
Some theorize that since darkners turn into objects in the light world, Ralsei might be the horned headband after it somehow entered the dark world.
I was wondering for so long what ralsei was and it is that simple?!
To be honest, I always felt something was up with Ralsei - though being evil was never my original thought. After chapter 2,he certainly has said some things..but I don't think he's bad in the way people are expecting.
I think of Ralsei now in 2 ways:
- His kindness is real, but he ends up enjoying having company so much that he's basically a people pleaser. Ralsei definitely seems to know things, but rather than hiding it for bad reasons - he might think "hey, if Kris forgets - we can be happy together!" which basically equals to toxic positivity.
Another is a fun one I concluded today on a thought; Susie has been shown defying us (the player)'s control throughout both chapters so far, Kris is controlled, but Ralsei...obeys because he wants to? Which leads into a big random theory. Ralsei has feelings (whether romantic or platonic) towards US, and wants to be closer to us. Ralsei is telling Kris to not worry because he's scared of getting rid of US, the player. Our options towards Ralsei can almost always be affectionate, while the game implies that Kris is the opposite. If Ralsei is self-aware of our presence, perhaps he wants to work with us instead.
(of course, if we also go by undertale logic: The genocide route focuses on you/chara taking down everyone with flowey's help - That dynamic could be reoccurring with Kris/us + Ralsei instead. Heck, this Ralsei theory could even be how he acts in genocide).
Honestky i just feel like people going "why didn't ralsei mention sooner the world is gonna end if there's too many dark fointains" is the stupidest part of many theories
The profecy he tells us already says the world is gonna end if the balance of light and dark shifts, in chapter two he just gets more specific
Personally, I don't think Ralsei is evil, but he certainly knows more than he lets on.
I think when the camera cuts to imagining where Susie is, Ralsei explains to Kris they need to be a puppet in order for the player to not get unhappy and purposefully hurt Darkners. Kris doesn't like him too much because they despise having their heart on a string for presumably their entire life.
I love that detail in this video where you made Noelle correct Berdly,s wrong spelling of the word conclusion
By how ralsei has been written you can’t really make him a villain suddenly, it just doesn’t feel right or seem right. I love this sweet baby so much.
he isnt evil because of the fluffiness
I can't believe I had forgotten...
Decisive argument!
People say Ralsei being suspicious after the Spamton Neo fight, and prompting Kris to "imagine what Susie is doing",
I personally believe that WE're the bad guy, y'know? It's more prominent in the *other* route. After all, Kris doesn't enjoy being controlled by us, whether it's good for them or not. So it's no surprise that Ralsei wants to comfort Kris and disregard the player's suspicions by making the player happy, and comforting Kris in the process.
For the one about Kris hating Ralsei and we're forcing him to hug, if that is the case, how come Kris allows Toriel to hug him at the beginning of Chapter 1? And after getting a hug from Ralsei at the end of the Spamton NEO fight, how come Kris asks Susie themselves for a hug??? The way Asgore hug Kris was drastically different from everybody else's hugging. The man swing the kid around like a floppy toy, cmon.
Lastly, I think the Tea Situation, personally I think that giving 60 hp from Ralsei tea really just means Kris has not fully warmed up to Ralsei yet. Like the video says, how would you feel if you walked into the school janitorial closet and met some creature who looks almost identical to your brother, whom been to University for quite a while? IF Kris truly hates Ralsei (for some reason idfk), why would the tea even give them HP in the first place? Wouldn't it instead take away HP like Spamton's poison potion?
(also there's no way ralsei's asriel, alphys specifically says "staying up and talking to asriel *again* ?", which implies kris HAS done that before. no way asriel would sneak back to the town, go to some other word and pretend to date your own brother.
Just perfect composition my friend, could not have put those points better myself!!
I've thought about it and I'd like to believe that Ralsei's suspicious-ness is intentional not in setting him up as a villain, but setting US up. Ralsei is aware of the player, Souls, etc., and potentially about Kris being under our control. There have been two identical scenes of Ralsei speaking to Kris while we were watching Susie in the game thus far, both ending with Ralsei say "...so that's why" as Susie came into scene. We don't have any clue what it could be that they're talking about, but we for sure know that Ralsei is doing it intentionally to distract us while he speaks to Kris about something that we can't know. This could also be why he shrugs off the Spamton NEO fight as to not say too much that indirectly involves us, the player, that could be harmful information to them if we knew. I'm excited to see how this all unfolds, and maybe another scene similar to them in a future chapter has us back to controlling Kris while Ralsei is in the middle of saying something important and startles him
He's keeping secrets, but he may not be our enemy.
Honestly I never really took his reaction to spamton as suspicious. I mean, kris was very obviously very disturbed by it all, and I really don't think that they would want to keep thinking about it all. I read ralsei's actions as just him trying to take their mind off it and calm them down.
Ralsei probably knows more than he's letting in, definitely. I like to think that he's somewhat aware of Kris's situation, playing puppet to his own soul. It would explain why he redirected the player to Susie to spectate upon splitting up- to have time to speak with Kris about it without the player knowing. It would also explain why he tried to brush off the Spamton Neo situation- he saw the parallel between Spamton's and Kris's problems and didn't want his friends to have to linger on that for too long. They may not want Susie to know about the strings that control them, just so she doesn't have to be burdened with the knowledge that many of their choices don't matter and they're always being manipulated.
Ralsei is clearly aware of how people view him, hence why he says things like "does this make me look cute?" When being given the white ribbon in chapter one and "I'd love to be pet by a hand that large" (sorry for the inaccuracy of the wording of the quotes) when seeing the stone hands in Queen's castle. The scene that proves this most of all is when he's in the acid tunnel with Kris and having their conversation. Why he says "I don't really know what being Ralsei-like is". He's trying to be what he thinks he has to be, and many people end up having this sort of mindset in reality.
Ralsei may just be a goat boy trying to help a tedious situation and make things better.
I have to disagree with you on the fountain, though. Queen explained that someone could use determination to make a fountain, and explained the exact details that matched what Kris did at the end of chapter one. There's alot more solid evidence pointing to this not being a fakeout, and I really don't think Toby is faking us out a second time in a row with the same thing. Hell, Chapter one was even entirely a fakeout since Kris probably made the cyber world fountain during that time period.
I think Kris himself is temporarily gaining freedom from our control to make these fountains. I have a bit of an idea that Kris is making these fountains in order to gain permanent freedom from our control. Perhaps the nature of the fountains themselves will do this. Or maybe he's looking for something specific. Or he might just need to keep the game going to stall for time. Another thing is Ralsei. Ralsei could be his key to freedom, and to keep seeing him without the player figuring out the real reason behind it, he needs to keep making these fountains and adventures to occupy us.
I like to think Ralsei and Kris are attempting to come up with something.
But then again, after seeing what happened to Spamton after he managed to cut his own strings...
Well, it's no wonder Kris was yelling
Here's a VERY small point that I thought I'd bring up.
When calling for friends in the Snowgrave Spamton NEO fight, *Kris* calls for Susie and then Ralsei, followed by *you* calling for Noelle.
Why would Kris call Ralsei if he completely dislikes or fears him?
What are all your thoughts on this?
This is a great point, it is also seen as they call for Susie first seeing as they like her more.
Actually, I might have gotten the order wrong or it's randomised. Either way, point stands.
I have been waiting for someone to bring up the fact, that Ralsei comes from the True Dark Fountain for the longest time.
Side note: the reason Ralsei knows kris and Susie's names "before they met" is because Ralsei is made out of the wearable red horns, that Kris had when they were little. (talk to Toriel chapter 1 apologue)
It's never been stated officially in game that, that's what Ralsei is made out of, but what characters can you think of that Toby fox has even been involved with that have red horns, horns and general are a very scarce characteristic of Toby Fox characters. Granted ralsei's horns are more like pink, but what's pink besides light red.
Toby please give me the Deltarune script. Toby. Listen to me Toby. You gotta let me know if Kris x Ralsei is possible or if it's just a dirty trick Toby. You gotta let me know if Ralsei is evil Toby. Toby are you listening. Give me the Deltarune script so that I can revise it in case you did something stupid like make Ralsei evil or Kris hate Ralsei or something Toby. Give it to me right now Toby.
My dad works at tobyfox, I'll make sure to forward this.
I'm just gonna say this. In your menu options there's a button that shows you your team's stats. Ralsie had a stat that said "Kindness: 100". In chapter 2, Ralsie's kindness went down to 97. I think it was at 99 when you first entered Castle town but I'm not sure, but it definitely went down in chapter 2
He toughened up a bit, it’s pretty simple as to why, because he realized that he couldn’t act so soft to everything, how? Well at the end of chapter 1 after Ralsei healed the King, they almost died, and Ralsei realized that there are some people that you have to fight.
Good, I don't want Ralsei to be more of a doormat than he already is xD
Probably because ralsei is maturing. He realizes that not everything can be solved with kindness and you cant save EVERYONE, but he stays cheerful and kind.
*Berdly cast spell!
*But berdly forgot 10TP
Noelle: B-Berdly, you need more TP!
Berdly: Noelle, at least it still worked!
Noelle: B-but it's misspelled...
Noelle: B-berdly you defend this turn, i-i'll try to f-fix i-it!
*Noelle cast spell!
Oh no
It’s getting cold
My theory is that ralesi is bound by the prophecy and as such feels he has to hide the truth and might be forced to betray us. After all, in chapter 1 Ralesi says that after they pass the great door everything is foretold exactly by the prophecy. I think that he will ultimately have to betray us, but not because he wants to, but because he feels he has to, in order to avert the roaring.
So when the player zones out and focuses on Susie I think Ralesi is confessing the truth about everything to Kris because he feels bad about what he is doing and he knows Kris can never tell anyone. Ralesi wants to be good and help as many people as he can, but the prophecy which he clearly knows in full, but we don't know binds him.
I actually don't feel like kris is evil. His eye color is canonically red (you see it while going to the dark world.)
And i guess it's nice to watch them do instead of doing something it myself.
Kris's eye is only red during a couple key moments in the ending cut scenes of both chapters (both times they take out their knife. In chapter one it is when they are staring at the player while taking out the knife and in chapter 2 it's only in the frames when they're stabbing the ground).
Any other time they appear to have a red eye is an illusion, they only havd the eye in those two instances.
@@CuantumQ check the sprite sheet on Spriters Resource before you make yourself look like a fool
@@CuantumQ When you go into the Dark World, pay close attention to Kris' face. For a veeeeery brief moment, they flash a red eye.
well so far kris is only creating fountains
and so far i think the player is the villain
@@zdg69 yes
Honestly, all the ralsei is evil theory’s just feel like them being like, o my gosh guyzzzzzz ralsei knows how to breath, I think he is actually a nazi and is wanted 68 dark states
OMG I JUST FOUND OUT Lancer mentions your inventory on a sign he must be evil
OMG IN UNDERTALE A FROGGIT SAYS [Z] ALL THE FROGGITS ARE EVIL
That’s how it feels
The theory of him telling Kris to open dark fountains is pretty silly considering all the effort he puts in to stop exactly that. If anything, it'd be more likely that he knows (or at least suspects) that Kris is opening fountains and he's telling them why they shouldn't do that. It could explain the tea theory, since Kris would probably be a bit disgruntled with someone if they told them not to open more dark fountains.
An interesting thing is if he does know Kris is opening the fountains, why does need hide it from the player? Why only talk about it privately without us knowing? He has done this twice now by making us put our POV on Susie instead of him and Kris so they could talk about something privately.
I hate the tea, you met some guy yesterday, why would you like them more then someone you knew for years
i don't think he told Kris to stop opening dark fountains. I actually think that the fountain at the end of chapter 2 is the first fountain he opened. The library fountain couldn't have been him for example, since it was opened while berdly and noelle were studying (they had their books opened when the fountain gets sealed). I think the end of chapter 1 was just Kris experimenting on how much he could move without his soul, practicing on living without it more and more every time, kinda like someone practicing on holding their breath for a long time
I think that Ralsei *could* end up being an antagonistic character later on but:
1. To me it seems really unlikely
2. Even if he does end up working against Kris, I don’t think he’d end up being an evil manipulator or something like that.
"Oh Ralsei is evil!!! He knows the keyboard controls which means he knows something about the game he's in!!"
but even lancer knows
I am still really suspicious of Ralsei. One of the best forms of deceit would be to giving information willingly, while still probably keeping enough that still gives him an advantage. He is far too nice to not be suspicious. Plus after the Spamton Neo fight, his lack of empathy towards Spamton, calling him a corrupted program when Spamton was quite literally in Kris' same kind of situation, being controlled by an outside force with only small moments when he is himself, and calling for help. Ralsei even tries to force Kris to think about him basically from his dialogue, when Kris finds out they're not the only one in that kind of situation. I have been suspicious of Ralsei ever since chapter 1, and this chapter only raised my suspicions more. Ralsei is still hiding things, and i swear he's going to pull a Flowey on us near the end. The fact he kept the roaring quiet until now is concerning in itself because what if Ralsei wants to recruit more darkners so he stands a better chance against Susie, and Kris later. Perhaps winning them over somehow, and turning them against the lightners, but he doesn't want it to happen this soon. He wants to recruit more darkners, but in order to not be suspicious to Kris, Susie, and perhaps the player, he puts on this act. He won't tell us important things unless the situation calls for it. Like with Queen, and Berdly. He probably would've kept the roaring to himself if Berdly wasn't so stupid as to attempt to open another fountain this soon.
Thats..... true
This is really well formulated. I in no way can say that Ralsei is completely clear, the keeping of information and weird reaction to Spamton are the only two main strings I couldn't quite tie.
He already said about the roaring in the legend, just not explicitly, but he had to explain again since Birdly and Noelle hasn't heard anything about the prophecy
I think that you miss the point that you only recruit darkners if you are nice to them, only if Kris, Susie, Ralsei and Noelle are nice to them, so I doubt that the recruited darkners would want to attack Kris and Susie, literally in chapter 1 if you are nice to the darkners, they detrhoned they're king because he doesn't like the lightners, so I doubt Ralsei would recruit them to make an army against the lightners because they wouldn't want to fight the lightners
I'm gonna give my two cents on this if you don't mind.
1. Why is it weird for Ralsei to share certain information only when it's necessary for their quest? His purpose on the team is serving as a walking lore encyclopedia for the heroes. Why would Ralsei ovelwhelm Kris and Susie with information they don't even need yet, when he could tell them gradually? Yes, he could THEORETICALLY be hiding information that benefits him, but there's no real evidence to support that.
2. Ralsei has no reason to show empathy for Spamton. Kris (and the player) knows about his tragedy and what all the puppet stuff REALLY means, but Ralsei doesn't. From his perspective, Spamton was just some insane glitchy program that randomly tried to kill them.
3. Ralsei didn't keep the Roaring to himself, he already told Kris and Susie that not sealing the new fountains would cause the end of the world. His monologue in chapter 2 adds some extra details, but nothing major.
I don’t know if he’s evil, but I definitely think he will betray the player. Not Kris per se, but the player.
I don’t believe ralsei is evil but if you think about it Toby is setting up this twist perfectly because we would be fighting without a healer, but with Susie wanting to learn healing magic to replace our healer, but it is rather unconvincing.
Noelle though
I honestly feel like in þe genocide route of Deltarune þe final person you're gonna manipulate is Susie and Ralsei's goiŋ to fight you once he sees you usiŋ her for evil.
I think it's more likely he's hiding things from the party thinking in their safety, and just trying to make everyone happy.
The real question is: what is so important that the others and the player shouldn't know about?
Here's a little theory I have. Just like Sans, Flowey, Jevil, and Spamton may have had some experience with Gaster, each of whom would learn that their world is a game, Ralsei would react in his own way. Ralsei knows of the player's existence, and knows what they are capable of. Ralsei, only wanting what is best for the world, secretly tells Kris about the player and how to temporarily escape their control. He then would have Kris create dark fountains as they Fun Gang destroys the ones before, with the intention of opening up the idea of the dark world and the player to as many characters as possible. This would allow Ralsei to gain power over the player as a precaution. During the other chapters, Ralsei would male a decision based on the player's actions whether to allow them to experience the game world with Kris, or to use his power to lock the player out of Deltarune entirely.
I've often thought though RALSEI isn't all Azzy, what if he's a special part of him? Azzy goes to church, school, and just goes around being the ideal good boy .
I think Ralsei a misinformed kid. He's lived all his life in Castle Town, completely alone, with his only company being a prophecy that promised him the potential of future friends. He wants to be a hero, he wants Kris and Susie to be heroes. And he's been told that sealing the fountains is how to be a hero.
Honestly, the trend of pinning Ralsei as "evil" without taking into consideration how young and sheltered he is giving me flashbacks to how a lot Undertale players did the same with Chara. Toby Fox is a great writer, and consistently creates characters that have nuanced, complex motivations and systems of morality. Fitting them into boxes of "good" VS "evil" is doing them all a disservice.
He isn't evil, he just has some plan we don't know yet
Him dismissing stuff that kris finds very stressful, like after spamton fight, is very off and borderline gaslighting everyone into just moving on, he knows something is up
I feel like he can be a POSSIBLE antagonist to Kris but not "evil"
I do think this depends on the run you do as Kris, or its inevitable and its like this "evil" Kris is bound to do evil .
2:31 anyone else notice how in noelle's reaction to susie tea she is pretty much full on simping for susie
thank you for this, having a secret and being evil are allowed to be different things :)
Ralsei’s prophesy early on in chapter 1 talks about the Roaring, it just doesn’t name it; it says ‘a terrible calamity would occur’ and then explains what would happen. He just repeats it because Noelle and Berdly don’t know it and adds some more detail
Maybe goats in Toby fox games are signs of bad luck
every theory of ralsei being a cute fluffy boy and nothing else make me happy
IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE FOR LIKE 6 HOURS YOU DONT HAVE A GOOD OR BAD OPINION (kris only knows ralsei for about 6 hours)
Edit: mini theory here. Maybe Jevil was spawned from the big master dark fountain or whatever? That explains how you can still use Devilsknife (in chapter 2 cyberworld) considering every other person (except ralsei) from ch.1 was turned to stone (devilsknife is confirmed to be jevil he said something like “Take me with you)
People keep mentioning that Ralsei never mentioned the Roaring, but he kind of did in the Prophecy. Yknow, the balance being upset and the earth drawing her final breath? That’s basically what he described the Roaring as, and thats a line from the prophecy. Also, I don’t think he expected a blue chicken nugget man with a big ego and possible mommy issues to go off and try to make a fountain rught in front of your eyes. Its like being next to a cliff. You usually wouldn’t just randomly tell them not to jump unless hey tried to, right? Same lpgic applies
I'm not sure he's inherently evil, but he's definitely hiding something BIG and he acts really fishy. Plus, some of the things he says come off as super manipulative, whether he knows he's being manipulative or not. And, his facade is WAAAY too one-dimensional. Especially his interaction with Kris after the Spamton battle seemed to really break his facade and seemed extremely manipulative, and it left a sour taste in my mouth. I don't think he's as pure as everyone is cracking him up to be, whether he's actively evil or not. I say don't get too attached. I guess it's too late for some of you. I don't trust him.
Susie's the best, anyway.
The action where he’s like, a doctor. That’s all the proof we need.
It is weird that we are given the option to hug ralsei so much despite kris being stated to hate hugs...
Kris doesn't hate hugs. Asgore saying "I forgot *if* you like hugs like that" is a line that people can misread easily. Hell, Kris wanted a hug from Susie after the Spamton Neo fight, which implies that they actually do like hugs. Maybe they dislike bear hugs but don't mind other kinds of hugs.
I remember I got recommended that video and I legit didn't watch it, and I never will until I get confirmation that he is a villain.
The mere concept of him being a villain is way too predictable, and I doubt Toby would ruin our perceptions of him when literally side by side, you get options like hugging him and other things, I don't think I could take the game as seriously as I do if that's the case.
I'm glad there's a video which proves some points I had in my mind when I heard about that video, and even others I didn't consider too.
Personal opinions, though, Ralsei does seem to hide some things towards the player/Kris that we don't know yet, but I don't think it's for some nefarious reason, maybe he's not fully able to open up to it yet or there's a reason to why he's hiding it, there's a lot of things that question his character, such as his down sprite (only his clothes) and so on.
I just think Ralsei is the funny fluffy boy who goes through a nice arc of "opening up" with a sense of mystery that we still yet to know, not some villain who will betray Kris.
Also note: Ralsei's colored icon somewhat proves that he's a darkner of some sort.
This is why I think ralsei can travel between dark worlds
When Ralsei tells you why Lancer turns to stone in chapter 2, He says that some darkners "MIGHT" not fit in other dark worlds. Maybe Raslei makes an exception as a darkner who does fit in other dark worlds
To expand on that, Ralsei is pretty clearly some bizarre interpretation of Asriel, so being based off of a lightner they should logically be able to exist anywhere.
If we look closely on Toby's last work, there was no so called evil character except for probably Chara, who was something else from the start. I honest don't think someone who make games like Toby would make Ralsei an evil character. The only probably I'd admit is they probably are hiding something just like Alphys in Undertale, which didn't make Alphys an evil character, too.
Plus they're really cute in chapter 2. I would confess my love to them if they exist in real world.
If there were to be a theory, I'd say that Ralsei is the internal object of Kris. That would explain why he showed up very similar to Asriel's face, don't turn into stone when staying in other darkworld for too long and had the knowledge that Kris's action in light world have effect on dark world (during the opening scene of chapter 2 Ralsei literally tell Kris to take everything from the classroom to the janitor closet).
As for his purpose or motivation, I'd say that he wanted to help Kris at all cost, but Kris is divided by the soul part played by the player and the true creepy part of his own character. That's why Kris hated Ralsei as his own personality but Ralsei really like Kris.
The true problematic character is the original character of Kris. If I'd make guess, we are probably the force Ralsei brought upon to this world to help his struggle to pacify Kris.
Chara isn't really pure evil, you make them evil by doing the genocide route. They're meant to be a reflection of your choices as a player. (Hence them talking about consequences at the end of the genocide route.)
@@flyingpiggles1034 They're weird to say the least. Even in pacifist run we can find so many weird things they decided to do without remorse or caring for others.
@@yuantingkung378 Like what? The worst Chara did was pushing Asriel into going through with their plan, but the point of the plan was freeing the underground.
If Chara didn't care about Asriel, why didn't they kill him and take his soul? Why would they choose to subject themselves to a slow and painful death to ensure everyone's happiness if they don't care about others.
@@matti.8465 Well, like the time Asgore literally almost dead after digest the tea they gave him, and Chara seems to be thinking only about how they can use this flower but not the safety of him.
*Ralsei = Wholesome Fluffy Boi*
That's all you gotta remember
since when were people even assuming this bundle of happiness was evil in the first place
Theories are going around about Sans, where he's really from, and if he's the same Sans from Undertale. At least that last one seems true, with him winking every time he falls us a stranger. So if one character can travel from one universe to another, why can't Ralsei? What if Undertale's most tragic character found a way to escape his fate? I don't think he's the same character from Undertale. Keeping with the theme of anagrams, he's probably another universe's Ralsei equivalent. The theory could use more fleshing out, but we can safely say that Ralsei is neither from the Dark World nor Deltarune's overworld.
I feel like Ralsei isnt evil, but he does have SOME other motive
I really like the concept of Sweet Cap'n Cakes and their house just falling out of the sky.
I just have a theory that Ralsei is kris's fursona, personal darkner his comfort character, with why kris's headband and Ralsei's horns have similar colors
1:19 what i think ralsei was saying is something like “think about what susie is doing… (blah blah blah) i wonder, what is susie doing that’s taking so long?” and ralsei just imagines what susie is doing, or an off-screen kralsei moment is happening idk
Your based takes have earned my respect
(also nice video)
Thank you, you are quite based yourself :)
*theory ! !*
i think kris is just bein contolled by the player against their will. also, i think that they dont actually like ralsei :D
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theres this scene where theres a piano, and we can choose to play it. when we play it, it makes a bad noise and kris isnt happy about it. it's strange because its hinted that kris was good at piano before. i think we're the one playing the piano, and since we can't really play piano, it sounds bad. kris is mad because he isn't the one in control playing. also in some scenes, kris is trying really hard to seperate them and their soul. the player is controlling them, not kris themself.
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i remember in a tea scene, theres this thing where the closer the person is, the more the tea will heal. like susie's tea healed noelle the most. however, ralsei's tea healed kris the least. i dont think that toby fox would put that in for no reason. i personally think that we the player like ralsei (like when we choose to hug ralsei etc, its our doing, not kris's), while kris doesnt actually like them. since theres the whole emphasis on freedom n stuff in this chapter, i wouldnt be surprised. also ralsei's giving some suspicious vibes, so he's prolly hiding stuff >:]
I don't think it's likely the dark fountain at the end of the game was a fake-out. The pie was a fake-out because it was very much left up to interpretation what kris was going to do with the knife, as we only see him pull the knife out. It's more likely that it was just a red herring to throw us off until the final ending cutscene. Here it's plain and obvious - we actually see kris erect a dark fountain, quite literally striking the earth as queen described. There's also no indication that it's a "Dream sequence" (Is toby really the kind of person to make a dream sequence fake out???) Plus, wouldn't it get kind of old to have this one be a fake-out too?? It would remove all the impact of a scene with such massive lore implications and would kind of be more disappointing the second time around rather than funny. (Plus would also mean that any other scene that we see could possibly be a fake-out and would ruin the impact of future scenes like that.)
I feel the rest of the video is fine, though. I never really thought that ralsei was evil, at the worst he could be blissfully ignorant or misinformed.
I think Rslsei being worried that the party would get stressed out if they knew about the roaring also matches with when he told you about why not fighting is important and then was concerned that Kris may get stressed about it.
Something wrong with your rebuttal against him wanting more dark fountains. The roaring could still be true, and Ralsei could still be telling kris to make Dark Fountains. You didn't even go over if Kris was the Knight which plays a big part in the Ralsei is telling kris to make the fountains theory. Dismissing it when we have seen Kris make at least one and I'm pretty sure to make the Library fountain since it doesn't take a full night to eat a pie and both things could have been done easily so its not even worth trying to dismiss one for the other.
I honestly believe that both the Fountain and Recruitment theories have merit to them, but believe them to not be as simple as wanting to rule. I think that Ralsei is strengthening his own fountain OR is repopulating the true dark world. Think about it. If Ralsei is from the true dark world then where are all the other Darkners? Maybe what Ralsei is doing isnt EVIL but it is manipulating Kris and Susie into repopulating the Dark World. With each Fountain brings more Darkners to his Fountain and either makes it stronger or just gives him company after being alone for so long.
"So that's why, Ok Kris" Perhaps that was preceded by Ralsei asking him to open the fountains so he could get more friends? Telling him that his people were either wiped out or taken away? Kris would empathize with him since Kris has been very alone since his brother left for college. But it would also make Kris aware enough to not trust Ralsei fully.
Ralsei doesn't need to be Comically Evil for these theories to be true, and I don't think anyone was or should think that is the case. So basically while I agree I don't think Ralsei is evil, doesn't mean that he doesn't have ulterior motives that are manipulating Kris and Susie. Manipulation for a good cause is still manipulation
One of the big things people point at ralsei is how he know all about prophecies and such, but there are little details that people have been overlooking.
1. If you choose not to listen to ralsei's story one of the things lancer says is "you know, the teardrop headed kid from the prophecy?" Meaning lancer knows all about the prophecy.
2. When queen says she didn't know about the prophecy ralsei is shocked making it seem like the prophecy is common knowledge for darkners, Queen is just dumb.
Solution: dont play deltaeune so kris controls himself lol
Kris isn’t a good guy :(
He literally started a fountain at the end of chapter 2 when he pulled his soul out
@@fizzyhan dk why and he wants to control himself duh
@@fizzyhan if you ripped your brain out and opened a portal with a knife i think you'd do that too.
I’d imagine that Ralsei wants an army of Darkners, but not to control them, it’s for the final battle against the Knight.
Ralsei is a nice character but I think he is that type of person to betray us considering the fact that he wanted to be the Queen Butler, and honestly hope that kris (not the player) starts looking at ralsei as a friend since right now he's having mix feelings with the guy
That is a nice point. It's not as if Ralsei had much of a choice I'd think. Without Kris or Susie he wouldn't have been able to do much against queen. He wouldn't want to physically fight back. By becoming her butler he gained access to the mansion and was able to reconvene with the bunch.
@@DukeNull true, ralsei isn't strong enough to fight back alone so betrayal will be the only option
He did not want to be Queen's butler, She forced him to become one.
To be fair what was Ralsei supposed to do? Fight Queen on his own?
5:01 im fucking dead the green screening of that just made me crack up laughing
Well I'm certainly glad!
people who are saying that he withheld the existence of the roaring, in the legend that he says when he first meets kris and susie "if light and dark are unbalanced, a terrible calamity would occur", he didnt put it into depth but he still did mention its existence in the legend he tells you the first time you meet him
aswell people keep saying ralsei is suspicous since he acts diffrent in this chapter, when during the boat ride he admits that he wasnt being himself in chapter 1 and was just trying to be as nice as possible
Deltarune chapter one: kris must be up to something bad!
Deltarume chapter two: it’s just pie It’s just pie *it’s just pie* *It’s just pie* ITS JUST PIE *ITS JUST PIE-*
in tea Theory... Ralsei... not only Knows Noelle Enough to have opinion but also... at first when Susie say "Queen Capture Noelle" he shoud say "She capture who?" istead of "ok. we will help her no matter what" and same with berdly but here he act like he was Shocked... like he knew him more... i starting to think that Ralsei knows Asriel and vice versa and they telling each other about Light and Dark worlds... otherwise Ralsei MUST be Half-Lightner and Half-Darkner
Why Ralsei isn't evil in my Perspective :
- People are reading way too far into stuff that could be red herrings.
- Other characters like Seam and the Castle's Shop guy know a lot more about the secret bosses, Seam even knows what to do with Shadow Crystals.
- I think Ralsei knows the layout of the one classroom because of something in his castle or something to do with the Dark Fountain.
- There's also not bias here, It's just my idea I analyzed.
Besides the main topic, I have a good feeling that kris is gonna end up snapping and fully removing the player's control over his body and ultimately deciding what he will do and the vassal that we made is gonna have to be used as a replacement for kris's body.
There's a possibility, that Ralsei is not Kris' enemy, but OURS. That because he's probably one of the few who know that we exist, our name in game, the mechanics, talking directly to Kris while we're not watching ("and that's why"). Maybe he wants to stop us from controlling Kris, because he knows that we are capable of (commiting a freaking genocide just as likely as making bonds with everyone).