hard agree, the best way to use the concept of dark worlds is to have multiple people making them for their own personal reasons. We actually already see a bit of this, with Kris both being confirmed to have made a dark fountain at the end of chapter 2 and having no way to make the Cyber World dark fountain considering it was made after Noelle/Berdly had already sat down in the computer lab before the fountain existed (and they were at school then).
Honestly totally agree. The queen legit said someone just needs to be determined enough and plunge their blade to make a dark fountain. Personal theory that makes a lot of sense is gaster being one of the knights. Which is why the man behind the tree since (he's literally in the void. The gasters room in undertale in also in-between rooms) he can actually leave that place, if you have gotten an egg before while the place got traffic before the darkworld is open. He will be outside in a car. Will wave to the player and disappear. But why would he be outside if he could dissappear. Most probably since that place was near the dark world and he created an alibi for himself by pretending to be in the car. (Not to mention the traffic was caused by the annoying dog, the only way to get to the room in between in chapter 2 is to get run over by said annoying dog) Also the blueprints and alphys was able to use for her research in the determination experiments was dusty and left behind by most likely gaster. Given the true lab seems to be originally owned by him.
Ralsei may also be a Knight, though I believe he's a darkener. He can't leave the dark world with kris and susie and with his red horns. He leads me to believe he's the red horns kris lost long ago that ended up in the darkworld. But hard agree ralsei knows more than he let's on. And his particular interest in the player and dismissing kris dilemma so easily where even susie is confused. I don't think ralsei is bad but he does has his reasons, we would have to wait and see for more info on dat
My crackpot theory is that Noelle's mother is the Knight. The game seems to be heading in a direction where the Holiday family will be very, very important. Carol could have some kind of a "finding Dess" justification for opening dark worlds. It is likely that the lost person in the code is Dess, and that person says it is very dark in there... I can see Dess being stuck in some kind of a funny spooky darker-than-dark world.
I've been a pretty big Mayor!Knight fan for a bit in fact more then an Alvin!Knight fan (in fact dare I say I'm a Knight-MAYOR fan hehe I have only one joke).
People keep saying that Ralsei never mentioned The Roaring but did everyone just conveniently forget the part about the sky going dark and the land cracking with fear mentioned in The Prophecy Sure it was a lot vaguer than the details we get in The Dark Truth but it’s not like he was hiding that there’s world destroying things going on if the balance isn’t kept
Plus, Ralsie did give us the manual, which is implied to actually be very thick & dense. Meaning probably bigger then the manual from the game files. My guess is the prophecy is actually may more complicated & detailed than the chapter 1 cliff-notes he gives us, and the full version is in the manual Kris & Susie never read.
Knowing how Toby Fox makes his characters, I am 100% sure that Ralsei won't he have a moment where he goes "haha I was evil all along, now I'll kill everyone". I do belive that he knows more than he tells us for sure, but such an important character can't have such a flat intention.
Besides it sucks to wait so much for every chapter, the best thing out of it is that we can appreciate with more detail those chapters, and the community formulating these crazy and creative theories is awesome, even the most insane ones and mostly those that even convince you by how detailed they are Great video!
I thought 3, 4, and 5 were coming out at the same time? I heard some other people talking about them coming out one after another, but I've seen contradicting things.
Also, in addition to people already mentioning Toby confirmed 3,4,5 coming out together, given what progress updates have been made available do make Fall of this year a possible drop time. Although, even if that's overly optimistic, definitely no later than 2024. Averaging 1 year or less per chapter going forward ain't too shabby in my book when each one is roughly half or so the size of Undertale.
Disagree with “the man from the other world” being Frisk for a few reasons: 1) they’re never referred to with gendered language anywhere else in the game so this would be very unusual; 2) Frisk is referred to as a child throughout the game; 3) the River Person is talking TO Frisk at this point so this wouldn’t make sense to be referring to them in third person; 4) even if read in a meta sense, why would the player need to beware of Frisk? Nowhere in the game do they actively pose a threat to the player’s goals The only real hole in Sans and Papyrus being from Deltarune is that Papyrus doesn’t seem to have seen the Sun before in the pacifist ending - but to be fair we haven’t seen Papyrus leave his house in Deltarune anyway and it’s possible that only one of them is from another world
@OrggannickFarmer counter point the whole telling sans its great meet him again implies its takes place AFTER undertale in some way. and papyrus should know what the sun looks like due to being on the surface...
The multiple knights thing could definitely go hand in hand with the chess theory too. On one side of the game there are two knights. If we’re counting all pieces then there’s four knights. Or it could be that the black pieces are all darkners and the white pieces are all lightners. Have Asgore be a King, Toriel be a Queen, Kris be a Knight, Noelle a Bishop, Susie a Rook, and so on.
My theory is papyrus still a child or baby in deltarune, since the theory if deltarune is prequel will make papyrus as baby will be possible So if papyrus is just a baby before he go to undertale, it's possible he can't remember the sun since he's too young
I feel like one issue people don’t really acknowledge with the theory of Ralsei being Asriel is that after the face reveal Asriel wouldn’t really have any way to keep acting like a different person since Kris would know what he looks like
Japanese pronouns and word usage can be good for theory crafting, especially character identity theories because Japanese is very context based and has multiple different words for things English has one word for and toby fox has very large control over the Japanese localization (such as Sans using 'oira' which none of the fans thought he was the type of person to use)
And a few key theories were shot down because of this, like CHara being the second voice in the intro, or Kris saying things "reluctantly" instead of being confused. It used to be compiled in The Determinators but they were chased off the web. Haven't found another tumblr that compiles all of those insights
2:21 Personally, I don't think the omission of The Roaring by Ralsei in Chapter one would be an evidence for that theory, as I really don't think this would necessarily imply he is evil... Ralsei did mention that Kris and Susie were supposed to prevent, well, the literal end of the world and collapse of the reality from happening, and that would involve closing Dark Fountains. He wouldn't need to mention the Roaring directly until they became aware they could open Dark Fountains at will by channeling their "Determination", and that would only really happen at Chapter 2.
the theory that Asriel is Ralsei can be disproven easily, that's because Ralsei has a coloured dialogue sprite and only darkners have them I mean it could be more complicated but I seriously doubt it
I'm glad to see more people getting to know the Alvin theory. Even if he isn't the Knight, I'm sure by now that he will be important in future chapters, maybe as some sort of proxy of Gerson Boom. Just to mention some interesting things about Gerson: - One of few names which the voice at the vessel creation thinks is interesting. - Parallels to Gaster, since Alphys is a replacement for Gerson in Deltarune. - Wrote fantasy books in Deltarune. His memorial mentions he was inspired by dreams, which is a thing connected to dark worlds. - Was a knight in Undertale, with the Hammer of Justice. Similar to King saying he has the Chain of Justice, after talking about the Knight. As for Gaster being the voice at the vessel creation, I think it is close to being confirmed. Mainly because of what the dataminers seem to have found about the "typer values". It seems like the typer value used in Entry 17 is the same that is used for the mysterious voice in Deltarune. I was wondering if you were going to mention Dess, since she seems like one of the most popular candidates for the Knight in the fandom. I'm not sure about Dess personally, I can only assume she's the mysterious person lost in the dark.
One of my personal favorite theories is that Kris/The Player isn't the protagonist of Deltarune, it's Susie; I might go in more details of this theory but you should be able to find info about it on youtube. But for two main things I can point to are: -The battle theme is named Rude Buster, who shares the name as the signature ability of Susie. -Susie is shown to be the most generally liked main party member, typical of average protagonists in Anime for example.
Protagonist isn't really the right word. More like "main character." By definition, the protagonist is who the story follows. The story follows Kris, but it seems like Susie ties in greater to more characters and other stuff.
@@galxie Susie is, verbatim, a direct parallel to the romanticized consept of a HERO from Ralsei's prophecy in terms of their role in the story, which juxtaposes the sheer gravity of the dark drama going on around Susie, JUST out of their notice. Kris has their shit going on with litterally being controlled by a lil heart, and regardless of what decisions are made by the mysterious entity controling Kris (the player), Kris still prolly don't like being hyjacked. Ralsei? They seem to be doing everything in their power to "assist the hero's on their journey", even if they withhold information that might otherwise make the journey far more... Unpleasant, perhaps? They generally have been sticking to "their role to the prophecy". Also, saying ralsei, or any of Toby's characters, are "evil" is pretty much a complete and utter insult to Toby's writing capabilities. Susie, by comparison, is practically an open book. Their insecurities and projection caused her to agressively push people away, which were pretty much dealt with at the end of chapter 1. That is to say, for the chapters beyond that, it puts Susie and Kris into a really interesting position. Susie is our Main character, a character unimpeded by secrets and weird soul funky business, and pretty much have been having fun, enjoying their role as the hero and as Kris' and Ralsei's friends. *They wander dark world's as one of the fabled HEROs, beings prophesied to stop the the earth's destruction..!* Meanwhile, our protagonist, Kris, is our look into the drama abyss that's JUST out of sight for Susie. We know a just enough that this dark world stuff is serious business, Kris being possessed (by us,) and their reaction to that, and the prophecy info that Ralsei has told us, Kris' relations with Noelle giving us a look into the "Dess" situation, as well as the ramifications that all these things tie into each other throughout the story probably. If I got anything wrong, let me know, I ain't Dorked lol It's all very, very interesting,
i have a theory that the holidays are boss monsters! they're very close to the dreemurrs who are the only boss monsters we know of, they also have very opposing themes. the dreemurrs use fire magic (in undertale at least) while noelle uses ice magic, the dreemurrs are sort of demonic what with them being goats and asgore's trident, while the holidays are all angelic and christmasy. theres probably more i forgot about lmao also surprised you didnt mention jarus time loop theory
6:06 actually, i think the use of "beware" makes sense in relation to sans. remember, flowey warns you to not let sans find out ANYTHING about you, and that sans caused a good amount of floweys resets. sans also tells frisk that they'd be dead if it weren't for toriel making him promise to protect them. even if it wasn't a threat, you can tell he really meant it. the only thing that makes sans not a super dangerous foe is his lack of strength and urgency. he lets you kill pretty much the entire underground in one of the neutral endings without doing a single thing about it. but we already see in genocide that when he wants to kill you, he WILL. but what really sells this theory for me is how sans' dialogue in undertale really hammers in the fact that hes not from this world. the lost souls battle with him saying "you'll never see 'em again," likely in relation to the unknown people in that photo album you can find in his garage. and the genocide fight dialogue where he says "i gave up trying to go back a long time ago. and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal either," there's a clear distinction between wherever he wants to go back to and the surface in this dialogue. and of course, the fact that he researched timelines and knows about them. while he doesn't necessarily have to be from deltarune, it's easy to draw the conclusions considering he's the only one in deltarune completely unchanged, other than the fact he runs a grocery store. everyone else wears a new outfit and has different lore. the only hole in this theory is that if he is from deltarune, then he should've been able to recognize toriel's voice in undertale. but that's honestly very minor and doesn't really debunk it. of course, i don't take this theory as canon, but it makes sense when you think about it. EDIT (08/04/23): more evidence for this theory! in the papyrus q&a from the UTDR summer newsletter, papyrus says that his home before snowdin had green grass. you know where else has green grass? hometown! boom. it's now canon. (just kidding, but it does back up the theory a bit!)
with Toriel's voice, i feel like it would make sense either way. it would add an interesting angle to what we already know about Sans going to that door every day in Undertale. There's nothing that would straight up deny the possibility that he just accepts that no one "knows" him in this world, not even the AU counterparts of his friends in Deltarune and just rolls with it instead of explaining to everyone who he really is and what happened. He GAVE UP on going back after all. So when he realized that Toriel is alive behind that door, he just rolled with it and stuff.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn yeah, i think youre right. papyrus himself even says that sans doesnt tell anyone anything, so if he really did know all these people from another world, its unlikely that sans would say so. he seemed to have been working on that machine you can find in his workshop alone, after all.
I dont think ralsei is EVIL, but I think he’s definitely hiding more than he lets on- I assume it’ll be because he thinks its for the greater good or maybe he’s being threatened. I also believe Ralsei could potentially represent toxic positivity with how he tends to shove down his negative feelings
@@axolotlfairy2473 i think ralsei could also be a manifestation of kris wanting to be like asriel. there's a theory out there that his object in the real world is kris' headband with horns on it, which would explain why he looks like the dreemurrs, because kris wants to be a monster like the rest of their family. almost everyone in town you can talk to always mentions asriel. he was clearly a beloved person, while kris was considered either the resident weirdo or simply asriel's little sibling. ralsei constantly brushing off negative topics and always advocating for pacifism could be indicative of kris' subconscious desire to be a perfect kid with no real problems like asriel was.
My S rank theory that isn't mentioned in the video is Chess Theory: the theory that all DT bosses revolve around chess figures. First up, King. Kings in chess can only move one step at a time, which funnily enough, during the ending cutscene after beating King, that is exactly what he does, awkwardly stumbling towards Kris. Kings are also pretty immobile, usually not moving as much throughout the game. And now, we take a glance at Queen. Unlike kings, queens in chess are extremely mobile, having movement capabilities of both bishops and rooks. In DT, Queen's all over the place: following Kris, appearing out of nowhere, and so on and so forth. Also, in the scene after the Queen fight after you free Berdly, Queen distracts everyone and runs away. Runs. Not stumbles. She moves quickly, like a chess queen. It seems like each chapter's boss is decreasing in value (first we have the king, the most valuable piece and then we have the queen, which is the second-most valuable), and the next character will somewhat resemble a rook in terms of mobility. I don't have many ideas about how Toby is going to represent a chess rook's movement, but I do know that by prolonging this logic, we're going to see a bishop or knight in chapter 4. A bishop or **knight.** [[Holly Cungadero]], we might meet the Knight in chapters 4 or 5. And chapter 5 is only 2 chapters away from 7, the end of the game; it seems likely that Toby will drop the bombshell somewhere around that time. Overall, I think this theory is onto something. This seems like the kinda joke/Easter egg Toby would drop into the game. The only problem I see is that there are 6 pieces in chess (King, Queen, Rook, Bishop, Knight, Pawn), and yet there are 7 chapters. Maybe chapter 7 is going to be special somehow? Let me know what you think.
What if the last chapter was based on a check or checkmate? Like the final boss (Most likely in the Snowgrave route) would probably be very hard in pacifist route, because you're not corrupting people to their limit. If you do, the last boss will be overtaken. Thus, a Check(mate).
Well, they're based off both chess pieces and Cards, a King, a Queen, two Rooks, two Bishops, two Knights, a handful of Pawns, a Jack, and a Jester, along with, Diamonds, Hearts, Clubs and Spades.
You can choose things that Kris is or isn't willing to say... And you know whatever it is due to Kris's "tone of voice". Options that Kris would like to choose will have Kris to express in a more genuine way.
@@aresrivera9744 Yeah, but i remenber that his friends still notices that he becames a bit sad, which means he didn't like the fact that the player made him choose those options in snowgrave route.
Kris would much rather die than to gaslight Noelle… Though speaking of which, Kris has a weird enthusiasm for their death, even before they are possessed by your soul.
@@thealientree3821 I think you are exagerating, lol. Kris clearly didn't have a very healthly friendship with Noelle, but she pretty much trusted him to the point she basically agreed about him corrupting her in snowgrave route, altrough much cuz she liked the sensation of power. The fact he feels sad after snowgrave route either means he didn't feel well corrupting Noelle, or he felt bad about forcing Noelle to kill her friend trough a mysterious spell (probably). This means Kris actually has a small possessive side to him, but hide it cuz he still see Noelle as their friend. When you get the ring for her, it seems Kris, or maybe his alter ego, that's it, the thing which keep possessing him, gains the ability to speak in her mind, which is pretty much confirmed when you are able to call her trough a whisper to help you in the route chapter final boss fight, also, she does says the voice which is ordering her is much more authoritative and terrifying than Kris's voice. The moment she wore the ring, Kris, or the thing which keeps possessing him, became able to directly look into her mind and speak with her, as long Kris is not too far alway from her.
it's an awkard thing to bring up because i dismissed this because merch isn't cannon, but then i also sorta use merch to disprove the ralsei is asriel theory
I really like the theory of Ralsei being the red headband that Kris had as a kid. With that interpretation, it would mean that Ralsei represents the person Kris thought they had to be to fit in with monster society. All the connections to Asriel could be explained by Kris idolizing their older brother, and the kinda romantic implications between Kris and Ralsei could be explained as a sort of self-love/acceptance. Toby could even do a transphobia metaphor with the change in pronouns with the form Kris wanted to take to "fit in" using masculine pronouns(though it probably wouldn't go further than a metaphor since Toby doesn't seem too interested in tackling those heavy topics). The biggest piece of evidence for me is Ralsei's pinkish-red horns. Out of every Dreemurr monster we've seen, not a single one has horns like that. It's a detail that feels like it is trying to hint at the fact that Ralsei isn't Asriel and is more a reflection of who Kris thought they had to be as a child.
@@gulpingulpin3910 I've always connected the missing green crayon with the fact that Toriel mentions Asgore coloring a bunch of green eggs for Asriel's birthday (He really liked the green dinosaur in super smashing fighters) in the past.
@@gulpingulpin3910 could be. Though I would say that if the crayon is connected to Ralsei it was just used up when Kris was drawing a picture of Ralsei, and he was their "monster-sona."
There is one image in the orange/black cutscene at the end of true pacifist with asriel and the first human where asriel has horns, and in the next frame he doesn’t.
@@galxie considering we end up stuffing what i assume is berdly's body in there in the snowgrave route at the end, i presume thats why the dialogue says that
@@galxie what about Queens giant or LARGE mech, it's most likely referring to that, cause there's a bunch of electronics in there that would be affected by the dark fountain, including, maybe, a LARGE MECH, whivh could be described as a "Large person."
There is one more piece of evidence pointing to Kris being the knight (which is what I personally believe) In the game one of the characters we meet on the board area (i think its Mr. Society) refers to Kris as "Horsie". And in Chess, the Horse piece is the Knight
also, when first entering a dark world from a new save file, Kris already has a save in the dark world clearly showing that they've been there before. I think the closet message was a red herring maybe given by Kris themselves.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Foxlate but that only happens when you first play a chapter, if you create a new save file after that it’ll just show as empty until you save
I said this on the hot takes community post already, but I think Everyman is the Knight. This time, though I have evidence. They make cameos in the Light World and both Dark Worlds. This suggests that they have been there before. Perhaps because they made the fountains? Also, in Undertale, Everyman is the only one in the True Lab who isn’t an Amalgamate. Gaster used to work in the True Lab as well, and I think the Knight has connections to Gaster. This is a very thinly-veiled theory, but I could see it happening. Maybe Everyman was distraught by the disappearance of Gaster and is making new Dark Worlds to bring him back. But who knows, only two-sevenths of the game has been released. We’ll just have to wait.
My theory is that Ralsei is the Current Starwalker. Hear me out. The Original Starwalker and Ralsei's design in ch 1 match up shockingly well, with their only defined limbs being their legs, with three points in their silhouette and a slim figure otherwise. Also, TOS (as I'll be calling the Original Starwalker) has some strange traits that lend themself to Ralsei oddly consistently. During Chapter 2's opening, you see Starwalker join you like Rouxls and Lancer, leaving you around when Rouxls does as well. But... unlike them, TOS doesn't turn to stone or even come close. They're completely normal. And when you look at what Ralsei does and what TOS looks like, it brings forth questions. Starwalkers are security units that have angel wings. Angels, huh? Like THE Angel? The one that the Darkners fear? Why would Starwalker birds take on the pure white wings if not to reflect that? Well, they're defense units. It's clearly meant to be a scare tactic. But that doesn't really show Ralsei's connection to TOS... right? Ralsei, like TOS, also doesn't turn to stone at all, shares their silhouette when they first meet, and wish to prevent the Roaring by banishing the Angel's Heaven. By studying The Angel and taking on their characteristics, these defensive forces can examine dark worlds and help ensure that the prophecy is fulfilled. You can't win a war without knowing your enemy... Or maybe... they ARE the enemy? Maybe THEY are The Angel? ...I dunno. This was a braindead thought I had at 3 AM that I took too far lol.
I think it has something to do with elements It's likely ralsei would have the element "dark" bc of being made from the grand fountain, made of pure darkness And starwalker is a star. Dakr/star is one of the few established elemental pairs.
there is a ridiculous amount of evidence for papyrus being the knight lmao. so much so that i spent like, a week putting together a powerpoint compiling all the evidence a few months ago 💀 it makes a concerning amount of sense lol
My favorite theory is that Toby Fox uses our theories to create the next chapter of DR /j. In all seriousness, lovely video, I liked it a lot! One of my favorite theories that you mentioned is the Knight Papyrus theory. At the moment, it's pretty hard to say which character is the knight (if we know the knight at all, they could be a new character) but Papyrus has always been so high up on this list because he's so freaking mysterious. I really hope we get to see him in DR (I don't even care if he's just waving at us out the window, show us the skeleton, Toby!) because when I played UT I listened to every phone call with and without Undyne and looked at every video about him because he's just. that. interesting. I also like the modification to the Sans is from DT theory with the added bonus that Papyrus is not. I don't have a reason for this being true, I just think it would be cool.
My theory is that Kris is the true antagonist of the story. Gaster can travel between dimesion and can see different timeline (at least i think) so he saw when the player had full control over the story a lot people died (genocide), so when he saw a new timeline (deltarune), he decided to limit the players power with the legend, in this way the player couldn't kill anyone, BUT for safety he putted in each dark world a guard (Jevil and Spamton) so if something went wrong he could free the guard. Kris in the second chapter decided to bring a person to kill (Noelle), Noelle isn't part of the legend so she could kill. And when the snowgrave route finish Gaster decide to free Spamton giving him the disk to stop Kris. This theory it's problably fake but I think some part might be true.
Woah. That's really well structured. I love it! So, if this is true, then all the players who wanted a genocide route in chapter 1 were never going to get it, and it would be relevant to the plot... I wonder if Kris will start to attempt manipulating Toriel..
Of course it's THEM that wants to kill and not the one who's controlling them, what was the name again? Oh, right, THE ONE WHO DECIDED TO PLAY THE SNOWGRAVE ROUTE!!!
You should’ve looked into the Woody Theory, it’s a relatively new one that states that the secret boss of chapter 3 will be a cowboy toe with a pull string, similar to woody from the toy story movies. I recommend watching the original video for a more in depth explanation but it surprisingly is very plausible
Interesting theories for a part 2 (+ some of my opinions on them) #1: Narrator theories #2: theories about who sings don't forget (these get crazy in a way that still makes since, there's one that theorizes that memoryhead sings it and it sorta makes sense) #3: third entity theory (it's not quite my cup of tea, it deletes all of Kris's ability to control their body most of the time, it could work for me if Kris still had control of their body in those scenes though) #4: chess theory (makes sense, especially since we know of both Mike and Tenna, who could represent the 2 black rooks) #5: Universal mother theory (great, probably canon except for the ralsei)
One of my theory’s is that every lightner has a darker counter part SPECIFICALLY Susie and Lancer. It’s seen in chapter 1 that Lancer has quite the abusive father, even threatening to throw him off the roof of the Card Castle. And later in Chapter two, Lancer is extremely excited to have his own room, implying that he shared it with his father. Susie covers most of her face in chapter one, only revealing the scar when Kris is in danger with the Spade King. My theory stems from the thought possess that the dark worlds are supposed to help the lightners with their real world problems. I believe that the first chapters main goal was for Susie and her fathers relationship. At first lancer runs away from the thought of his friends standing up to his father or in this case killing him, and Susie even fights lancer because of her own misunderstanding. The only reason (I personally think) that Susie shows her scar at the end of chapter one is because she’s mentally ready to handle the responsibility of standing up for herself to her father. We never get to see where her house is after all. And to further go this theory. Noelle is the main focus for Chapter 2, mainly the connection with her mom. There are many subtle hints throughout chapters 1 & 2 that Noelles mom is the Mayor. Much like the power that Queen has over the Cyber world. Queen wants to make the world her canvas, so to speak, and specifically asked Noelle to do it, knowing that 1) Noelle is easy to manipulate. 2) Noelle has a hard time saying no to things asked of her, especially after December went missing Queen knows that Berdly would have been happy to do it for her, but she specifically asked Noelle, and Noelle at the end of Chapter two, gains the strength to stand up for herself, much like Susie in Chapter one I could go on and on about this theory. So if you want more reach out I guess (Edit: spelling errors)
Relating to 5:29, in a Q&A, someone asked Papyrus where he lived BEFORE Snowdin, and he said he didn't remember, but he remembers there being "green grass," something VERY RARELY seen in Undertale but seen in Deltarune.
5:10 I mean Yeah, Spamtom can talk normally. We already have confirmation of this because when we beat him after the boss fight, His corruption is gone and he talks normally.
I think the Chess Theory is a good mention. Suggesting that each chapter boss would be a representation of a chess piece. Chapter 1- king Chapter 2- Queen Chapter 3 -Rook (possibly Mike) Chapter 4- Bishop (set in the church) Chapter 5-Knight Chapter 6- Pawn (that being the discarded creation, or Kris themself) Chapter 7-your opponent in Chess (Gaster)
I have a theory : there are seven chapters in deltarune and seven souls were also mentioned from undertale. I think each chapter has a new soul type. For example , normal red soul in ch 1 and shooting yellow soul in ch 2.
There’s also the inclusion of an orange boot in the puzzle, the rest of the items make sense (eg. Blue bird being berdly, purple home being susie, the only real “friend” kris has making them feel at home, also foreshadowing them being at kris’ home so on so forth…)
sans does say in his dialogue he gave up going back to where he is from (speculated to be the Deltarune universe), i'll say the line itself fully, "look. i gave trying to go back a long time ago and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either." The surface and the place he tried to go back aren't the same at all.
I think Ralsei has the dark fountain behind the cauldron, and can travel to other fountains when they form. But... That's just a theory. *A GAME THEO-*
I always hate when people say the tea theory implies that Kris dislikes Ralsei when it literally is proof of the opposite. If Noelle drinks Ralsei tea, she only heals for 50 since Ralsei is a complete stranger to her,. Kris gets 60 from Ralsei tea, which does imply that he views Ralsei as a friend or at least an acquaintance rather than a stranger. If Kris hated Ralsei, it'd be lower than 50.
I think that maybe Kris feels kinda awkward around ralsei bc of the similitudes he has with asriel, it's not like Kris's dislikes ralsei, is more like he feels kinda weird to have a person who remind them to their beloved brother, but not in a completely bad way¿
Kris has only known Susie and Ralsei for 2 days each, and Susie literally threatened to murder Kris in their first on-screen interaction. And Kris likes Susie twice as much as Ralsei. that may not be overt hatred but they clearly don't like him very much, viewing Ralsei as slightly above a stranger. My personal theory on why is because when the camera cuts to Susie, Ralsei was doing it to have a conversation with Kris without the players influence, and whatever Ralsei told Kris during that time Kris clearly wasn't a fan of. Also Ralsei seems pleasantly surprised Kris had no visible reaction to his tea which might subtly hint that Ralsei actually thought Kris would have a negative opinion of him.
I think It's just Kris liking Susie more than Ralsei, rather than Kris not liking Ralsei very much. Ralsei the one who gives us (the player) choice, while Susie is the one who doesn't obey us (player), so Susie is more likeable to Kris because she doesn't give to player choice to do something.
if papyrus was the knight and still had the personality and energy he had in undertale, it would definitely be the funniest part of deltarune lore. like: ( fun gang enters a dark room ) ( a ominous figure looms in the darkness ) ... * OH! * HELLO LIGHTNERS! * IT IS I, THE ROARING KNIGHT!
Since Kris doesn't show emotion, so I think the healing on him with the tea depends on how much he likes the flavor, for example, Ralsei's tea might be green tea (since he likes green) and Susie might have more bitter tea, Noelle might have ice tea because she uses snow attacks. But with the others, I think they like it more based on what tea, like with Noelle and Susie.
My theory (and popular fan theory) is that the voice who says that your guy is discarded, is chara. This is because in the Japanese language, the is a difference in spelling for formal and informal language, like if you said hello, it would be equivalent to saying hello to your boss or when it’s informal, your close friend. Chara is the ONLY PERSON IN UNDERTALE to speak formally in Japanese, that is a specific difference specifically chosen for THEM. You know who else has that exact way of speaking? The discarded voice. Through this, we can also confirm the character creator voice is 100% gaster, because he has the same erratic speaking patterns of constantly switching between kanji, katakana and hiragana. Also the fact that chara speaks with type 1 text, meaning in the English version, chara speaks with bold white text with no sound, that is a specific type used for cutscenes (which actually fits in this setting) or chara talking in the genocide ending. And I think that’s pretty neat.
The typer value that's used when the vessel is discarded is used by more than one character in Deltarune. It doesn't mean it's a different character as much as it means that it's just a different way of speaking. In fact, Susie uses the exact same typer value when threatening to bite your face off. The Japanese text doesn't prove anything either, since most characters in the Dark World speak in formal Japanese. In fact, Susie uses formal Japanese when threatening Kris. This means it isn't any more likely to be Chara as it is to be Susie. I think it's much more likely that this is simply Gaster trying to sound more threatening after discarding your vessel.
@@pedromarques2788 As I mentioned before, Gaster could just be changing his speaking style to sound more threatening or for some other reason. After all, Sans can do it too (specifically the "You'd be dead where you stand" line and a majority of the judgement hall scenes.)
This video is great, it's epic to see opinions of theories like this. Honestly I think ralsei is asriel is the least credible out of all of those and tea theory is my favourite. But also the deltarune fanbase has a lot of theories, like for example chess theory, and universal mother theory and... jaru's theories i guess. There's a lot of ideas out there to explore.
I think bewaring Sans is actually quite an apt description and likely a kind of way to foreshadow Sans’s deal in terms of him not actually being too fond of you in Undertale or, at least, that he would have done his job if it weren’t for the promise he made And let’s just say… he’s good at his job
Well, watching this made me realize something that I probably should have realized within ten seconds of Deltarune. FRISK is a partial anagram for KRIS... minus the F. Realized Ralsei and Asriel... but I derped on the Frisk one. LOL
there is a theory that suggests that asriel is dead and ralsei is his corpse fused with the power of the dark fountain, which means that ralsei is just a body without a soul which is evident by his chapter 1 design with the black heart in the center, and the theory suggests that kris is being possessed by asriel’s soul and we are the ones controlling asriel, if you think about it narratively it could definitely happen especially since it mirrors what happened in undertale, and if you think about it ralsei is basically this game’s version of flowey
Another reason Ralsei probably isn’t Asriel: he has a colored Dialogue portrait, which only Darkners have, it’s more evident in chapter 1 but you chapter 2 you can still tell due to the pink horns.
In a part of the video you mentioned that Lightners don’t have merchandise due to possible design changes in future chapters. This is definitely plausible but I think the lack of merch has more to do with the escapism story playing out in Deltarune. Darkners are a form of escape for Lightners, and this could also be a theme in the real world, too. People use Deltarune, the actual videogame, as a method of escapism and buying merchandise is a part of that. Having almost exclusively plushies, shirts, pins and more of characters who represent different forms of escape (like Lancer being the personification of a Jack of Spades or Queen being a computer) can have some lore implications. There’s more to this theory than what I’ve mentioned but it’s really interesting and worth looking into!
Someone else might have already said it, but I thought the reason why Toby stated he is selling merch of darkners is because darkners are literally objects in the light world given form through the thoughts and feelings of the person creating the dark world they inhabit. It's more "normal" to him to sell them because they're already inanimate objects in lore, and now they can be an inanimate object in your home. This is in refrence to 3:15. Also during the Tea theory section at 6:40 ish there are additional details that I think are meant to establish this, in game, as fact rather than theory. It's important to look at the descriptions as well as the numbers. Susie tastes the apples she assiociated with Kris because Kris uses apple scented shampoo and they shared that apple related incident talked about during the Spamtom Sweepstakes. Ralsei tastes blueberries because, from his perspective, Kris is just blue. But what's interesting is it's not deeper than that for him, and I'll swing back to why. Noelle is the only one who's description of Kris tea is a little deeper, having an unplacable aftertaste. Noelle has a complicated friendship with Kris. Also I think it's more about perception rather than a linear scale of "like-dislike", however it's hard to really get that nuaince when it's just numeric representation and why it's important to factor in the descriptions. Kris being healed less by Ralsei tea could be because he's unnerved being constantly reminded that Asriel isn't around. Or any other number of factors. I seem to recall (but can't find a source to confirm) that Ralsei tea will also heal Kris MORE during a route where Kris has hugged Ralesi during the swan ride, please fact check that before believing it though.
actually ralsei is not intrested in kris romantically, he is interested in the player. at this point all of us know that ralsei will blush if you get too close to him for a while but what most of us don't know is that he doesn't blush when he is in direct contact with kris' sprite he only does when is within soul radious. also we know that the red soul is something unique to the player only and no human can get a red one without being possessed. the fact that kris can live without a soul even for a little while supports it. the soul is the culmination of your being and losing it would logically kill you instantly. so that means when the red soul is kicked out of kris he uses his own soul to survive but for some reason re-equipping the red soul, is this part of a plan of kris' to idk do something or whatever?
@@gingergingey8271 uuh actually yes we do its pretty obvious ever since chapter1 first of all in ch1 in one of the boxes puzzle if u screw up enough ralsei will tell you to move the boxes using [Z] with susie replying with "who the hell is [Z]" so he knows about the keyboard and that moving boxes takes a push of a button also in both ch1 and ch2 when we and ralsei are alone and wondering whats happening with susie he tells us to "close our eyes and imagine what she is doing" and now tell me how in hell would kris "imagine" what susie is going through 100% down to the details? with noelle's ride and lancer's fight. also each time we close our eyes when we come back to see kris they are suddenly talking about something with ralsei, with ralsei saying the line "so that's why ok kris?" if he wants to talk about something with kris alone but doesn't know that a 3rd entity exists why would he only talk to kris if his eyes are closed? he knows of our existence for a fact and wants to have the conversation with kris alone without us hearing about it for whatever reason hope that convinced you after all that's just a theory of mine and I do see that its pretty likely looking at all the evidence, I will respect your opinion on whether its right or wrong regardless after all its just a game also its kinda weird I remembered a comment I wrote to a video and the theory I wrote and went on to defend it A YEAR LATER! damn crazy about this game
“That eliminates Kris” well yeah if you assume the closet was where the knight was. And about the books thing: 1. If what you’re suggesting is true then Berdly and Noelle would have seen the knight in person. 2. The books don’t mean much as we see that Susie and Kris are positioned at the table despite having never gone there themselves so we know that things that go in the dark world don’t necessarily come out in the same place. So the books could also have reappeared there after Noelle and Berdly walked in holding them. But if the man behind the tree (which is in no way confirmed to be gaster neither is there much evidence for this) is the knight then it could make some sense. A large closet appears in both light world equivalents of dark worlds. Chapter 2’s text implies that it is hiding something. The only thing I can think of to hide in both chapters are either the secret bosses or the man behind the tree. Also that left up up thing is crazy clever My main issue with a lot of knight theories including the one I just proposed is that it would kinda suck from a storytelling perspective. Like the big reveal of the knight is just fucking papyrus. Like that would be so stupid. Someone from the town would make more sense but even that is still kinda out of the blue. Imagine if the player up to this point hasn’t talked to the town people or found secrets. Then the story wouldn’t make as much sense
I have made a couple theories that I've been trying to make known, but still not many people know of it. They are fairly long to get through, but I have summarized them pretty good I think. I have a metric-BUT-TON of evidence if you want a more detailed description and reasoning, but whenever I post anything, people tell me it's too much to read and to summarize it. So that's what this is. I hope you won't skip it just because it is long. I think that it's going to be worth reading. :) Theory number #1 The bunker is Deltarune's equivalent of THE CORE. Since the Core is supposed to be the power source that operates the entire Underground. And while I won't talk about it here, it's exact power source is left weirdly ambiguous to the point that Alphys stops talking about it when she wants to gush about the process. Implying importance towards the plot point, while also not really reveling any lore about where this power comes from. With many themes of "Darkness" in the core. Darkness totems, the dark lighting of the general area, being made by Gaster *BEFORE* his disappearance, and a couple other small things. Indicating that the "Magical thermal energy!" is actually darkness. Theory number #2 This one actually builds off of that last one, but works even if the bunker doesn't = the core. The theory is that because of the CORE's influence through every part of the Underground, using darkness is what lead to the monsters being more "Magic" that "Physical" and also explains why they can use magic. Theory number #3 This theory is more of a question without an answer. It's simply me asking WHY nobody remembers/knows about the dark worlds. Darkners seem to remember a time when Lightners played with them. While we assume in Ch-2 that what Queen and the ciber-worlders are talking about must be the internet outage, we don't know that for sure. And when it comes to other things it gets even weirder. Kris grows in LV every chapter that we close a fountain, and overall the game has an undertone of a set destiny where choices don't matter. The reason I specify "destiny" rather than "control" is because of Kris's grim narration about the toy at the hospital. In Undertale, LV was the indication of how 'distanced' from our love and compassion we are, thus making our attacks hit harder against monsters who are effected by the emotional intent of their attackers. It could be that Kris knows these dark worlds and cares for them somehow. Using this logic, we can assume that closing Dark Words/DW's causes his LV to increase as though we are killing people who he knows. That added with the Spamton Sweepstakes info that we got, Kris 100% has always known about DWs due to him telling Noelle about ICE-E being real to scare her, and Noelle's subsequent mini-story about the pizza box being berried. Also because Ralsie is the ONLY source of information we have that multiple dark worlds being opened will end the world, despite some evidence of their being more of them in the past, says that the roaring might be a lie on Ralsie's part, so it. Theory number #4 this is the biggest one of them all. This specific theory of mine says that Ralsie isn't lying about the exitance of The Roaring, but is either lying about what causes it, or ignoring it's effects on Kris. The theory goes that, because of the nature of a 'fountain" in the real world is an underground spring that gushers forth when too much pressure is built up it's starts to come out of the massively large and pressured water reservoir *_underground..._* How is one made? A lighter has to poke a hole in the ground. meaning that lightners aren't so much _making_ these fountains with their own power, but just releasing pre-existing 'darkness/darkness magic' that was already there and building up underground. (I originally thought of this because I was like: 'how could a being of light make darkness?' and expanded on it in thought) So this theory actually has 2 different scenarios. @scenario/1 Ralsie wants to build up this pressure underground, likely causing it to explode all at once if there are no fountains to release this underground reservoir's pressure. With THAT being the trigger of the roaring. @scenario/2 Ralsie is honest, but either doesn't realize or maybe care that "Absorbing" dark fountains has some kind of an effect on Kris. Whether it's a good one or a bad one.. Please Note: (I say this, building off of the "Kris Is A Darkness Sponge" theory created by a RUclips user who's name I can't remember from a JaruJaru video from about half a year to a year ago. ) (I can't really search for him now but if you really need the credit I could probably look up the video and scroll until I see the OG comment and then tell you the name. idk if he was the first, but as far as I can tell he is the original creator of the theory. That theory exploring how Kris could be absorbing the DFs into himself based on some text with the most important text being Spamton's attitude towards Kris in general, calling Kris a "Little Sponge" and "Funky-Little Worm!", describing Kris trying to close the Ciber-Wrold fountain as "TAKING"/"STEALLING" his fountain.) I don't own *that* theory. (PS. please do not attack me for using HE instead of 'they' for Kris. It's easier for me and I just don't want people to fight over it. If you want to fight over something small like that, get over yourself. No offence, but I've been attacked and almost doxed for it one time a long time ago.)
thanks for covering all the major theories in deltarune in one decently short video!! i love the analysis! also your indie game song playlists are great!
Crack theory Toby Fox dog is the final boss of the game and the ,, Roaring " is just him aggressively barking at the player from the other side of the schreen.
I think it would be more appropriate to think of Ralsei not as Asriel specifically But more, Asriel’s character when Kris and Asriel used to play in the dark world I do believe it is stated somewhere that Asriel and Kris used to play in the dark world when they were little
Ooo the Gastor recruiting the player to stop the roaring from happening could be very likely considering Toby Fox (the creator) is a big earthbound fan and it has influenced his games-and in earthbound Ness is recruited by Buzz Buzz, who travels back in time, to prevent gigyas from destroying earth which had happened in their future.
I believe the closet where "a large person could fit inside" is just a reference to Papyrus' Closet, because he's a big skeleton, and mentions him inside his own closet if you interact with it in UT.
I have a theory with the Asriel and Ralsei that Ralsei is something that is important to Kris that was from Asriel which is why she can move between darkworlds since her real life self is on Kris somewhere, which is also why she understands the hallways and classrooms etc.
Here's a theory that I have, MK is a lot more important than you think. His odd importance that is given to him more than usual (the fact that they made an entirely new sprite for him in Deltarune instead of just reskining the old one like the others already is weird enough), him triggering events in Undertale with Undyne despite them making no sense and Goner Kid. Goner Kid is like the vessel we see in the beginning of Deltarune Chapter 1 which means we can reasonably say that he's have some kind of power that we don't know off which makes sense because it explains why he keeps on appearing places in Waterfall with no explanation whatsoever along with the children characters in Undertale being really OP for some reason. This counts as an Undertale and Deltarune theory because when MK goes into the Dark World (like seriously, notice a pattern with the other students?), who knows if he'll be OP
Not hating but Holy shit why does everyone think kris wants ralsei to perish,burn and die because of existing due of a 10 HP DIFFERENCE FROM NOELLE????
I've noticed that so far, only the characters that don't have a counterpart in Undertale have gone to the Dark World so far. Susie, Berdly and Noelle weren't in Undertale, besides maybe a few references, and they went to the Dark World, but characters that were in Undertale such as Temmie and Monster Kid haven't gone there. This isn't really a theory but i just think it's an interesting pattern.
One of my immediate thoughts is that you should rank the theories depending on how fun they are, for example soriel (not really a theory but it's a good example) is not going to happen but it is fun to think about and joke about.
I know a lot of people neglect this, but I would like to point out that W.D Gaster is a Doctor of some kind, and it's started to bug me when people don't use his title. Just thought I'd share!
Ohhh Yes, this video was amazing. I love this types of videos that show different theories and rank them on how likely they are to be true, and you did it perfectely with some superb editing. Also, I wasn't expecting to be jumpscared by My Time
Ah yes, Kris knight theory in C tier, when only Kris and Alvin have any evidence pointing towards them being the knight, and the closet thing in the computer lab is most likely referring to Queens large mech, which could be described as "A large person."
While the position of Noelle, Birdly and their books could indicate that the fountain could have been made while they were in the classroom (and it would make little sense that Noelle and Birdly being as smart as they are to just waltz into a suspicious room), I think that Kris still has a chance to actually have been the one to create the fountain in the computer lab. Remember back in Chapter 1, how Kris and Susie woke up in a different place compared to how they first entered the closet fountain, and hold there were objects randomly placed in the supposed unused classroom? It could be the same for Noelle and Berdly. They could just as easily woke up differently compared to how they entered, and their books were miraculously placed infront of wherr they were sleeping. (I know I'm pulling at straws, but just listen.) Know remember Kris' little free roam during the end of Chapter 1? We don't actually know if he only ate the pie that night. He might've secretly planted the fountain in the computer lab while we weren't looking. This could all just be a bunch of bologna, but it could explain why he had a knife with him. (It would be pretty dumb to bother ripping the player out just to eat some pie.)
they could've just thought the light was off, and also, in case you tried to use it, who would go into a computer lab, when there's no internet, lemme tell you why, something school related like studying, and, dark worlds don't immediately drag people in unless someone has already entered it which disproves the knight entering any dark world so far, and you change positions in the dark world, we know this as a FACT from chapter 2, Kris and Susie are not where they should've been from where they entered, they're closer to the desks than they should, and they're a bit too to the right to have been logically able to get there while not moving.
My theory is that Ralsei is not evil, but cares more abaut the player than she cares abaut Kris. Is something i started believing after waching the Dorked video abaut the subject
Im starting to think Kris is Asriel/flowey in Undertale, and Undertale is just yet another dark world. Basically this would make deltarune a prequel to Undertale.
My favorite Theory is that Ralsei told you all about the Roaring and explaining literally everything about him and what is happening in the dark worlds ... But, it's ALL in the Manual, that Kris doesn't read (and you can't read it)
That would actually make a lot of sense. I mean supposedly the manual is pretty dense; gotta be more than just gameplay controls in there. Plus we got signs from chapter 1 that the story Ralsie told wasn't the entire legend, because if you don't let him tell you the prophecy then when Lancer arrives he mentions a teardrop-headed kid in the legend (i.e. himself). That doesn't sound like Ralsie was really hiding anything though, just that it's a really detailed legend and he was giving us the abridged version.
i personally believe that the vessel is the knight, there would be no reason to have a whole vessel creation just to actually discard it, i feel like it would be cool if at the very end after everybody forgets about the vessel it shows up as the knight.
Here is my take: Ralsei is evil theory is baseless and originates from poor story imagination. He certainly hides secrets, but there is no evidence that he's evil. I think it would be stupid to just classify him as evil or good in the first place. Because everything in this game could be very complicated, and we don't know what's the deal with him yet. This theory just makes the most simple explanation for him being sus. I would easily just put it in E tier for how stupid it is. Ralsei is Asriel theory is more of an obvious reaction for those who played Undertale rather than a theory. That's clearly what the game wants us to think. It can well be true or not. If we rate theories on how smart or stupid they are, i would also put it in E. Spamton had a call from Gaster theory is also rather obvious, but i think it is correct with a very high probability. It's easy to figure out, but since it's just likely correct, i'll give it an A. Sans from Undertale and Deltarune is the same person theory is C. Not much to say about it. Tea theory is easily S. Do i really need to explain? I agree with what was said in the video. Gaster is in the bunker theory gives me pretty much the same impression as sans theory, but i would say it's a bit more likely to happen, so i'll put it in B. Gaster speaking in the beginning is pretty much 100% true, and that's also very easy to figure out. That's pretty much an S. But i would want to separate it from what was added later, and it is that Deltarune had already happened but without us. I would put this part in A. As much as i personally hate You vs Kris theory because i don't think that's exactly a good plot, but my guts are telling me it is very likely to be true, so i'll put it in A. Now regarding the who is the Knight theory. Idk what made him think that Kris is the least likely, when it is literally the most obvious option that comes to mind. That's what the game wants us to think with it's plot. Surely, it can all just be a trap and Kris isn't the knight, and it is also a very likely possibility. But i still think that despite all of this, it is still very likely that Kris is the knight, so i'll put it in A. I would put Gaster also in A, just because he is the one who has a lot of importance. But Alvin? Seriously? That's what he thinks is the most likely option? I see why it could be, and it would be truly surprising to make such seemingly unimportant character to be the knight. But still... I think it is quite silly, i'll put it in C. Papyrus sounds similarily absurd, but since he's more important character, i'll put it in B. And i'm suprised that in this whole video he didn't mention the chess theory at all. I mean, there is a lot of theories left that weren't even included in this video. It does say that it only considers the most popular theories, but i thought the chess theory was popular enough, i would put it in S. Because we already have characters like King, Queen, and Knight. What about the shadow crystals theory? And also the secret bosses souls order theory. Oh, i just remembered, he didn't mention any Dess related theories at all, there are quite a lot of them. Yeah, you defenitely need to make part 2.
I think that Ralsei is hiding something, but I don't think he's evil. I don't think that Ralsei and Asriel are the same entity, but one thing to be sure of: They're both connected in some way. Obviously Spamton isn't the wrong number caller. I mean c'mon, how can he call to the Undertale world? Also, Spamton didn't exist when Undertale was in development. I don't think that Sans is from Deltarune because they theory doesn't make sense. Like, I think that Deltarune is a time loop, and him changing from Deltarune to Undertale doesn't make sense because that would make Deltarune a prequel to Undertale, which Toby Fox said that it isn't true, so that theory is wrong. I think that tea theory is correct and it makes a lot of sense. I think that the bunker is connected to Gaster, but I don't know how to use Gaster in Undertale/Deltarune theories. I think that depending on the route you're making, the player is good and evil. Like, if you're playing pacifist, then the player is good. If you're playing aggressive, then the player is neutral and if you're playing snowgrave then the player is evil. But even if the player is evil or not, Kris wants to get rid of them because they're being controlled by them. About the roaring knight, I think that they're a new character that we haven't seen yet.
I think Delta Rune is a world Asriel created. The over world looks like a pacifist ending, but Mettaton's Neo form from the genocide route pops up. So it makes me think this is a reformed Asriel from the Pacifist route who had to experience an incomplete genocide run. Namely if the player is stuck on Sans. Asriel could of grabbed the souls to remake the world into what he thought the pacifist ending was. That would explain Ralsie's knowledge of the over wold. Then there's how wary some of the characters are to the player in Deltarune. Ralsie conversing behind the player's back. Sans sits behind a counter and is no longer joking with the player. I start to think Sans intentionally kept Papyrus away. Like protecting him from a no mercy run. I half expect Ralsie to be pulling a Sans and trying herd the player down a pacifist route. All to figure out how stop the player from choosing to reset the game and go down the bad route.
I have a theory that ralsei is just the things kris likes (goats, red horns(from headband), nice people, green (from crayon) and magic which he wishes he had)
This might be a little of a stress, but I think that Ralsei is Kris's brother. Ralsei seems to know things about the light world (like the school,) and doesn't always give information to Kris or Susie. Also, in chapter two, Ralsei does not turn to stone. Also, Kris's brother is supposed to arrive from college in chapter 7, so this could be a interesting twist. Especially since I think Kris might be the final boss. The only things I'm not sure about is the whole Ralsei likes Kris thing. Ralsei might just recognize Kris (as mentioned in chapter one at the start of the game)
Spoilers for omori, but I like how Kris might be like . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Omori in the normal, Sunny route. You have to fight them, and you were the one controlling them. It might be interesting to think that Kris' dark world form is like Sunny's OMORI; They were built for a purpose, and they won't stop. For Omori, he was made to stop Sunny's trauma from Mari. DW Kris, or to some extent, RALSEI, could be created for the purpose of satisfying Kris in a twisted way. Also note: DARK WORLD and DREAM WORLD are the same acronym.
Ralsei being asriel aslo haves that asriel had trophies on his room and on the room ralsei did from Kris it also had them and ralsei can go to every dark world being explained that he is a lightner.
im not an expert but theres a few more arguments for sans being from the deltarune universe in addition to them "just showing up one day" - in his secret room behind his house, he has a picture of three people that frisk "doesnt recognize", and it says "dont forget". Kris, Ralsei and Susie are a Trio ( 3) and dont forget is the name of deltarunes theme. and if the three people were like sans, papyrus and gaster like i saw people say often, frisk wouldve recognized papyrus. - in one of the Somewhat recent papyrus q&a's, hes asked where he came from. he starts saying he remembers green grass but sans cuts him off. probably the only way papyrus wouldve seen green grass before coming to the underground is if he was a lightner in the deltarune world because . Theres grass. - hes the only character shared between UT and DT to stay the exact same. - the door to sans' room in undertale is the same as the fast travel door in deltarune - Impretty sure there was another piece of evidence but i forgot lo l
My personal theory regarding Gaster is that he made contact with sans and papyrus while they were residing in the world of Deltarune. Obviously this makes sense for Sans and there's a lot of hints in undertale that Papyrus knows more than he lets on, so I think them being like backyard quantum physicists honestly fits. It's also possible they just happened to be randomly contacted by Gaster and instructed how to build a more convenient means of communication. Anyway I think the skelebros and Gaster started collaborating on experiments, Gaster learning of the dark fountains and the rules of determination in their world. This explains entry 17, he's communicating across worlds about the results of his experiments. I think gaster tried to make a dark fountain for some reason. But because the rules of determination work differently in undertale, it went horribly wrong, causing him to fall in. This is why we see his fingerprints all across the dark worlds in Deltarune, that's where he ended up primarily after shattering. I also think the dark world being created in the world of Undertale led to a sort of fissure being created between the two worlds, which is perhaps how Gasters pieces ended up there and how Sans and Papyrus were able to travel between the two. The rest, like how it all relates into the bunker and how it relates to the larger plot of Deltarune I’m unsure of. I have a pet theory in terms of why Gaster created the dark fountain and the existence of the angel in Undertale and Deltarune respectively, but its long winded and convoluted and is probably gonna be disproven.
I just thought that i would say that it seems ralsei isn't the only Darkner that knows about the light world because in chapter 2 queens says that the cyber world in only in the library which shows that ralsie isn't the only person who knows about the light world, also i have seen people say that it is weird that ralsei can go to other dark worlds, but in chapter 1 we travel to a different dark world by going through the great door which implies that the dark worlds are connected, the reason i say castle town and the card world are different dark world is because when we seal the dark fountain in chapter 1 we can still go back to castle town, also people say ralsei should have turned into a statue in the cyber world but ralsei says that his fountain is made of pure darkness and that is why other darkners can live in castle town, so i would assume that ralsei can go to other dark worlds to because he comes from a dark fountain made of pure darkness P.S while i do think ralsei is hiding something a lot of the evidence that it in most theories can be explained
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One of my theories is that there are actually multiple Knights. Which would be a HUGE bait-and-switch and a hilarious way to watch theorists implode.
hard agree, the best way to use the concept of dark worlds is to have multiple people making them for their own personal reasons. We actually already see a bit of this, with Kris both being confirmed to have made a dark fountain at the end of chapter 2 and having no way to make the Cyber World dark fountain considering it was made after Noelle/Berdly had already sat down in the computer lab before the fountain existed (and they were at school then).
Nah there's one Knight and it's Everyman.
Given that the Intro was supposed to show The Knight in person, I would doubt this just as much as I doubt any of the Fun Gang being the Knight
Honestly totally agree. The queen legit said someone just needs to be determined enough and plunge their blade to make a dark fountain.
Personal theory that makes a lot of sense is gaster being one of the knights. Which is why the man behind the tree since (he's literally in the void. The gasters room in undertale in also in-between rooms) he can actually leave that place, if you have gotten an egg before while the place got traffic before the darkworld is open. He will be outside in a car. Will wave to the player and disappear.
But why would he be outside if he could dissappear. Most probably since that place was near the dark world and he created an alibi for himself by pretending to be in the car. (Not to mention the traffic was caused by the annoying dog, the only way to get to the room in between in chapter 2 is to get run over by said annoying dog)
Also the blueprints and alphys was able to use for her research in the determination experiments was dusty and left behind by most likely gaster. Given the true lab seems to be originally owned by him.
Ralsei may also be a Knight, though I believe he's a darkener. He can't leave the dark world with kris and susie and with his red horns. He leads me to believe he's the red horns kris lost long ago that ended up in the darkworld. But hard agree ralsei knows more than he let's on. And his particular interest in the player and dismissing kris dilemma so easily where even susie is confused. I don't think ralsei is bad but he does has his reasons, we would have to wait and see for more info on dat
My crackpot theory is that Noelle's mother is the Knight. The game seems to be heading in a direction where the Holiday family will be very, very important. Carol could have some kind of a "finding Dess" justification for opening dark worlds. It is likely that the lost person in the code is Dess, and that person says it is very dark in there... I can see Dess being stuck in some kind of a funny spooky darker-than-dark world.
wait... you have a point...
I've always considered HolidayKnight as one 9f three actually plausible knight theories, being HolidayKnight, PapyrusKnight, and AlvinKnight.
lowkey see it not gonna lie
I've been a pretty big Mayor!Knight fan for a bit in fact more then an Alvin!Knight fan (in fact dare I say I'm a Knight-MAYOR fan hehe I have only one joke).
O Holy Knight?
People keep saying that Ralsei never mentioned The Roaring but did everyone just conveniently forget the part about the sky going dark and the land cracking with fear mentioned in The Prophecy
Sure it was a lot vaguer than the details we get in The Dark Truth but it’s not like he was hiding that there’s world destroying things going on if the balance isn’t kept
Plus, Ralsie did give us the manual, which is implied to actually be very thick & dense. Meaning probably bigger then the manual from the game files. My guess is the prophecy is actually may more complicated & detailed than the chapter 1 cliff-notes he gives us, and the full version is in the manual Kris & Susie never read.
Knowing how Toby Fox makes his characters, I am 100% sure that Ralsei won't he have a moment where he goes "haha I was evil all along, now I'll kill everyone". I do belive that he knows more than he tells us for sure, but such an important character can't have such a flat intention.
Besides it sucks to wait so much for every chapter, the best thing out of it is that we can appreciate with more detail those chapters, and the community formulating these crazy and creative theories is awesome, even the most insane ones and mostly those that even convince you by how detailed they are
Great video!
I thought 3, 4, and 5 were coming out at the same time? I heard some other people talking about them coming out one after another, but I've seen contradicting things.
@@Mad_Ancient_Computer_700AD it is 100% confirmed by toby that 3,4,5 will come out at the same time for a paid price!
@@ailliegove480 good, that's what I thought!
Also, in addition to people already mentioning Toby confirmed 3,4,5 coming out together, given what progress updates have been made available do make Fall of this year a possible drop time.
Although, even if that's overly optimistic, definitely no later than 2024. Averaging 1 year or less per chapter going forward ain't too shabby in my book when each one is roughly half or so the size of Undertale.
@W Even just 1 month apart from each other would be nice, that's true.
On the "wrong number song" theory, Grillby. The person who calls us then could be looking for Grillby. Just a thought
"Hi! Can I talk to Grillby? I need 10 burgers, please! I'm #18, Snowplough Lane. Thanks!"
-my interpretation of the situation lol
Disagree with “the man from the other world” being Frisk for a few reasons: 1) they’re never referred to with gendered language anywhere else in the game so this would be very unusual; 2) Frisk is referred to as a child throughout the game; 3) the River Person is talking TO Frisk at this point so this wouldn’t make sense to be referring to them in third person; 4) even if read in a meta sense, why would the player need to beware of Frisk? Nowhere in the game do they actively pose a threat to the player’s goals
The only real hole in Sans and Papyrus being from Deltarune is that Papyrus doesn’t seem to have seen the Sun before in the pacifist ending - but to be fair we haven’t seen Papyrus leave his house in Deltarune anyway and it’s possible that only one of them is from another world
@OrggannickFarmer
counter point the whole telling sans its great meet him again implies its takes place AFTER undertale in some way.
and papyrus should know what the sun looks like due to being on the surface...
The multiple knights thing could definitely go hand in hand with the chess theory too. On one side of the game there are two knights. If we’re counting all pieces then there’s four knights.
Or it could be that the black pieces are all darkners and the white pieces are all lightners.
Have Asgore be a King, Toriel be a Queen, Kris be a Knight, Noelle a Bishop, Susie a Rook, and so on.
To be fair, papyrus could just be lying. No reason he can’t just be acting.
My theory is papyrus still a child or baby in deltarune, since the theory if deltarune is prequel will make papyrus as baby will be possible
So if papyrus is just a baby before he go to undertale, it's possible he can't remember the sun since he's too young
Technically 'man' can refer to a representative of mankind, especially in old English.
I feel like one issue people don’t really acknowledge with the theory of Ralsei being Asriel is that after the face reveal Asriel wouldn’t really have any way to keep acting like a different person since Kris would know what he looks like
Japanese pronouns and word usage can be good for theory crafting, especially character identity theories because Japanese is very context based and has multiple different words for things English has one word for and toby fox has very large control over the Japanese localization (such as Sans using 'oira' which none of the fans thought he was the type of person to use)
And a few key theories were shot down because of this, like CHara being the second voice in the intro, or Kris saying things "reluctantly" instead of being confused. It used to be compiled in The Determinators but they were chased off the web. Haven't found another tumblr that compiles all of those insights
@@gabrote42 actually Chara being the second voice is aided by the Japanese localization because they use omae
@@LiMe251 maybe, but didn't they use something like a different set of characters or something? I misplaced my source, as you know
@@gabrote42 At least there are videos on RUclips.
@@DogDogGodFog After Determinators left the only ones I could find were the Narra Chara reuploads by Judgement Boy
2:21 Personally, I don't think the omission of The Roaring by Ralsei in Chapter one would be an evidence for that theory, as I really don't think this would necessarily imply he is evil...
Ralsei did mention that Kris and Susie were supposed to prevent, well, the literal end of the world and collapse of the reality from happening, and that would involve closing Dark Fountains. He wouldn't need to mention the Roaring directly until they became aware they could open Dark Fountains at will by channeling their "Determination", and that would only really happen at Chapter 2.
the theory that Asriel is Ralsei can be disproven easily, that's because Ralsei has a coloured dialogue sprite and only darkners have them
I mean it could be more complicated but I seriously doubt it
I'm glad to see more people getting to know the Alvin theory. Even if he isn't the Knight, I'm sure by now that he will be important in future chapters, maybe as some sort of proxy of Gerson Boom. Just to mention some interesting things about Gerson:
- One of few names which the voice at the vessel creation thinks is interesting.
- Parallels to Gaster, since Alphys is a replacement for Gerson in Deltarune.
- Wrote fantasy books in Deltarune. His memorial mentions he was inspired by dreams, which is a thing connected to dark worlds.
- Was a knight in Undertale, with the Hammer of Justice. Similar to King saying he has the Chain of Justice, after talking about the Knight.
As for Gaster being the voice at the vessel creation, I think it is close to being confirmed. Mainly because of what the dataminers seem to have found about the "typer values". It seems like the typer value used in Entry 17 is the same that is used for the mysterious voice in Deltarune.
I was wondering if you were going to mention Dess, since she seems like one of the most popular candidates for the Knight in the fandom. I'm not sure about Dess personally, I can only assume she's the mysterious person lost in the dark.
One of my personal favorite theories is that Kris/The Player isn't the protagonist of Deltarune, it's Susie; I might go in more details of this theory but you should be able to find info about it on youtube.
But for two main things I can point to are:
-The battle theme is named Rude Buster, who shares the name as the signature ability of Susie.
-Susie is shown to be the most generally liked main party member, typical of average protagonists in Anime for example.
sounds interesting!! i’ll read more into that theory!!
I really like this theory!
Protagonist isn't really the right word. More like "main character." By definition, the protagonist is who the story follows. The story follows Kris, but it seems like Susie ties in greater to more characters and other stuff.
I really like this one. Good theory mate.
@@galxie Susie is, verbatim, a direct parallel to the romanticized consept of a HERO from Ralsei's prophecy in terms of their role in the story, which juxtaposes the sheer gravity of the dark drama going on around Susie, JUST out of their notice.
Kris has their shit going on with litterally being controlled by a lil heart, and regardless of what decisions are made by the mysterious entity controling Kris (the player), Kris still prolly don't like being hyjacked.
Ralsei? They seem to be doing everything in their power to "assist the hero's on their journey", even if they withhold information that might otherwise make the journey far more... Unpleasant, perhaps? They generally have been sticking to "their role to the prophecy". Also, saying ralsei, or any of Toby's characters, are "evil" is pretty much a complete and utter insult to Toby's writing capabilities.
Susie, by comparison, is practically an open book. Their insecurities and projection caused her to agressively push people away, which were pretty much dealt with at the end of chapter 1. That is to say, for the chapters beyond that, it puts Susie and Kris into a really interesting position.
Susie is our Main character, a character unimpeded by secrets and weird soul funky business, and pretty much have been having fun, enjoying their role as the hero and as Kris' and Ralsei's friends. *They wander dark world's as one of the fabled HEROs, beings prophesied to stop the the earth's destruction..!* Meanwhile, our protagonist, Kris, is our look into the drama abyss that's JUST out of sight for Susie. We know a just enough that this dark world stuff is serious business, Kris being possessed (by us,) and their reaction to that, and the prophecy info that Ralsei has told us, Kris' relations with Noelle giving us a look into the "Dess" situation, as well as the ramifications that all these things tie into each other throughout the story probably.
If I got anything wrong, let me know, I ain't Dorked lol
It's all very, very interesting,
i have a theory that the holidays are boss monsters! they're very close to the dreemurrs who are the only boss monsters we know of, they also have very opposing themes. the dreemurrs use fire magic (in undertale at least) while noelle uses ice magic, the dreemurrs are sort of demonic what with them being goats and asgore's trident, while the holidays are all angelic and christmasy. theres probably more i forgot about lmao
also surprised you didnt mention jarus time loop theory
That’s actually a really neat theory!
That’s a cool theory, even if it isn’t confirmed it’s my headcanon now lol
6:06
actually, i think the use of "beware" makes sense in relation to sans. remember, flowey warns you to not let sans find out ANYTHING about you, and that sans caused a good amount of floweys resets. sans also tells frisk that they'd be dead if it weren't for toriel making him promise to protect them. even if it wasn't a threat, you can tell he really meant it. the only thing that makes sans not a super dangerous foe is his lack of strength and urgency. he lets you kill pretty much the entire underground in one of the neutral endings without doing a single thing about it. but we already see in genocide that when he wants to kill you, he WILL.
but what really sells this theory for me is how sans' dialogue in undertale really hammers in the fact that hes not from this world. the lost souls battle with him saying "you'll never see 'em again," likely in relation to the unknown people in that photo album you can find in his garage. and the genocide fight dialogue where he says "i gave up trying to go back a long time ago. and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal either," there's a clear distinction between wherever he wants to go back to and the surface in this dialogue. and of course, the fact that he researched timelines and knows about them.
while he doesn't necessarily have to be from deltarune, it's easy to draw the conclusions considering he's the only one in deltarune completely unchanged, other than the fact he runs a grocery store. everyone else wears a new outfit and has different lore. the only hole in this theory is that if he is from deltarune, then he should've been able to recognize toriel's voice in undertale. but that's honestly very minor and doesn't really debunk it.
of course, i don't take this theory as canon, but it makes sense when you think about it.
EDIT (08/04/23):
more evidence for this theory! in the papyrus q&a from the UTDR summer newsletter, papyrus says that his home before snowdin had green grass. you know where else has green grass? hometown! boom. it's now canon. (just kidding, but it does back up the theory a bit!)
with Toriel's voice, i feel like it would make sense either way. it would add an interesting angle to what we already know about Sans going to that door every day in Undertale. There's nothing that would straight up deny the possibility that he just accepts that no one "knows" him in this world, not even the AU counterparts of his friends in Deltarune and just rolls with it instead of explaining to everyone who he really is and what happened.
He GAVE UP on going back after all. So when he realized that Toriel is alive behind that door, he just rolled with it and stuff.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn yeah, i think youre right. papyrus himself even says that sans doesnt tell anyone anything, so if he really did know all these people from another world, its unlikely that sans would say so. he seemed to have been working on that machine you can find in his workshop alone, after all.
I dont think ralsei is EVIL, but I think he’s definitely hiding more than he lets on- I assume it’ll be because he thinks its for the greater good or maybe he’s being threatened. I also believe Ralsei could potentially represent toxic positivity with how he tends to shove down his negative feelings
@@axolotlfairy2473 i think ralsei could also be a manifestation of kris wanting to be like asriel. there's a theory out there that his object in the real world is kris' headband with horns on it, which would explain why he looks like the dreemurrs, because kris wants to be a monster like the rest of their family. almost everyone in town you can talk to always mentions asriel. he was clearly a beloved person, while kris was considered either the resident weirdo or simply asriel's little sibling.
ralsei constantly brushing off negative topics and always advocating for pacifism could be indicative of kris' subconscious desire to be a perfect kid with no real problems like asriel was.
My S rank theory that isn't mentioned in the video is Chess Theory: the theory that all DT bosses revolve around chess figures.
First up, King. Kings in chess can only move one step at a time, which funnily enough, during the ending cutscene after beating King, that is exactly what he does, awkwardly stumbling towards Kris. Kings are also pretty immobile, usually not moving as much throughout the game.
And now, we take a glance at Queen. Unlike kings, queens in chess are extremely mobile, having movement capabilities of both bishops and rooks. In DT, Queen's all over the place: following Kris, appearing out of nowhere, and so on and so forth. Also, in the scene after the Queen fight after you free Berdly, Queen distracts everyone and runs away. Runs. Not stumbles. She moves quickly, like a chess queen.
It seems like each chapter's boss is decreasing in value (first we have the king, the most valuable piece and then we have the queen, which is the second-most valuable), and the next character will somewhat resemble a rook in terms of mobility. I don't have many ideas about how Toby is going to represent a chess rook's movement, but I do know that by prolonging this logic, we're going to see a bishop or knight in chapter 4. A bishop or **knight.** [[Holly Cungadero]], we might meet the Knight in chapters 4 or 5. And chapter 5 is only 2 chapters away from 7, the end of the game; it seems likely that Toby will drop the bombshell somewhere around that time.
Overall, I think this theory is onto something. This seems like the kinda joke/Easter egg Toby would drop into the game. The only problem I see is that there are 6 pieces in chess (King, Queen, Rook, Bishop, Knight, Pawn), and yet there are 7 chapters. Maybe chapter 7 is going to be special somehow? Let me know what you think.
definitely gonna do the chess theory in pt2, it really impressed me
What if the last chapter was based on a check or checkmate? Like the final boss (Most likely in the Snowgrave route) would probably be very hard in pacifist route, because you're not corrupting people to their limit. If you do, the last boss will be overtaken.
Thus, a Check(mate).
On the 7th chapter it could be about checkers instead
Or the roaring titans
Well, they're based off both chess pieces and Cards, a King, a Queen, two Rooks, two Bishops, two Knights, a handful of Pawns, a Jack, and a Jester, along with, Diamonds, Hearts, Clubs and Spades.
You can choose things that Kris is or isn't willing to say...
And you know whatever it is due to Kris's "tone of voice".
Options that Kris would like to choose will have Kris to express in a more genuine way.
Yeah and assuming that Chris is doing all this willingly that means he’s OK with doing snow grave
@@aresrivera9744 Yeah, but i remenber that his friends still notices that he becames a bit sad, which means he didn't like the fact that the player made him choose those options in snowgrave route.
@@aresrivera9744 Alas, the fact we can make Kris speak in Noelle mind is certainly mysterious.
Kris would much rather die than to gaslight Noelle…
Though speaking of which, Kris has a weird enthusiasm for their death, even before they are possessed by your soul.
@@thealientree3821 I think you are exagerating, lol. Kris clearly didn't have a very healthly friendship with Noelle, but she pretty much trusted him to the point she basically agreed about him corrupting her in snowgrave route, altrough much cuz she liked the sensation of power. The fact he feels sad after snowgrave route either means he didn't feel well corrupting Noelle, or he felt bad about forcing Noelle to kill her friend trough a mysterious spell (probably).
This means Kris actually has a small possessive side to him, but hide it cuz he still see Noelle as their friend. When you get the ring for her, it seems Kris, or maybe his alter ego, that's it, the thing which keep possessing him, gains the ability to speak in her mind, which is pretty much confirmed when you are able to call her trough a whisper to help you in the route chapter final boss fight, also, she does says the voice which is ordering her is much more authoritative and terrifying than Kris's voice. The moment she wore the ring, Kris, or the thing which keeps possessing him, became able to directly look into her mind and speak with her, as long Kris is not too far alway from her.
You missed the fact that in merch papyrus is depicted hiding behind a tree. And is the only character to be depicted like that.
it's an awkard thing to bring up because i dismissed this because merch isn't cannon, but then i also sorta use merch to disprove the ralsei is asriel theory
I really like the theory of Ralsei being the red headband that Kris had as a kid. With that interpretation, it would mean that Ralsei represents the person Kris thought they had to be to fit in with monster society. All the connections to Asriel could be explained by Kris idolizing their older brother, and the kinda romantic implications between Kris and Ralsei could be explained as a sort of self-love/acceptance. Toby could even do a transphobia metaphor with the change in pronouns with the form Kris wanted to take to "fit in" using masculine pronouns(though it probably wouldn't go further than a metaphor since Toby doesn't seem too interested in tackling those heavy topics).
The biggest piece of evidence for me is Ralsei's pinkish-red horns. Out of every Dreemurr monster we've seen, not a single one has horns like that. It's a detail that feels like it is trying to hint at the fact that Ralsei isn't Asriel and is more a reflection of who Kris thought they had to be as a child.
that would be surprisingly wholesome
Either that or Ralsei was just the missing green crayon
@@gulpingulpin3910 I've always connected the missing green crayon with the fact that Toriel mentions Asgore coloring a bunch of green eggs for Asriel's birthday (He really liked the green dinosaur in super smashing fighters) in the past.
@@gulpingulpin3910 could be. Though I would say that if the crayon is connected to Ralsei it was just used up when Kris was drawing a picture of Ralsei, and he was their "monster-sona."
There is one image in the orange/black cutscene at the end of true pacifist with asriel and the first human where asriel has horns, and in the next frame he doesn’t.
A small person could also fit inside the space where a large person could fit.
that’s true! i just feel like a large person being specified makes it suggest that a larger person was in it
@@galxie considering we end up stuffing what i assume is berdly's body in there in the snowgrave route at the end, i presume thats why the dialogue says that
@@galxie what about Queens giant or LARGE mech, it's most likely referring to that, cause there's a bunch of electronics in there that would be affected by the dark fountain, including, maybe, a LARGE MECH, whivh could be described as a "Large person."
There is one more piece of evidence pointing to Kris being the knight (which is what I personally believe)
In the game one of the characters we meet on the board area (i think its Mr. Society) refers to Kris as "Horsie".
And in Chess, the Horse piece is the Knight
also, when first entering a dark world from a new save file, Kris already has a save in the dark world clearly showing that they've been there before. I think the closet message was a red herring maybe given by Kris themselves.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Foxlate but that only happens when you first play a chapter, if you create a new save file after that it’ll just show as empty until you save
It's the horse chess piece that calls Kris "Horsie", and a knight would know a knight.
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox or it's talking about Queens mech.
I said this on the hot takes community post already, but I think Everyman is the Knight. This time, though I have evidence.
They make cameos in the Light World and both Dark Worlds. This suggests that they have been there before. Perhaps because they made the fountains? Also, in Undertale, Everyman is the only one in the True Lab who isn’t an Amalgamate. Gaster used to work in the True Lab as well, and I think the Knight has connections to Gaster. This is a very thinly-veiled theory, but I could see it happening. Maybe Everyman was distraught by the disappearance of Gaster and is making new Dark Worlds to bring him back. But who knows, only two-sevenths of the game has been released. We’ll just have to wait.
Idk I feel like thats kind of out of nowhere. I think the idea is interesting but I don't think it ties very well into the themes of the game.
My theory is that Ralsei is the Current Starwalker. Hear me out.
The Original Starwalker and Ralsei's design in ch 1 match up shockingly well, with their only defined limbs being their legs, with three points in their silhouette and a slim figure otherwise. Also, TOS (as I'll be calling the Original Starwalker) has some strange traits that lend themself to Ralsei oddly consistently. During Chapter 2's opening, you see Starwalker join you like Rouxls and Lancer, leaving you around when Rouxls does as well. But... unlike them, TOS doesn't turn to stone or even come close. They're completely normal. And when you look at what Ralsei does and what TOS looks like, it brings forth questions. Starwalkers are security units that have angel wings. Angels, huh? Like THE Angel? The one that the Darkners fear? Why would Starwalker birds take on the pure white wings if not to reflect that? Well, they're defense units. It's clearly meant to be a scare tactic. But that doesn't really show Ralsei's connection to TOS... right? Ralsei, like TOS, also doesn't turn to stone at all, shares their silhouette when they first meet, and wish to prevent the Roaring by banishing the Angel's Heaven. By studying The Angel and taking on their characteristics, these defensive forces can examine dark worlds and help ensure that the prophecy is fulfilled. You can't win a war without knowing your enemy...
Or maybe... they ARE the enemy? Maybe THEY are The Angel?
...I dunno. This was a braindead thought I had at 3 AM that I took too far lol.
I think it has something to do with elements
It's likely ralsei would have the element "dark" bc of being made from the grand fountain, made of pure darkness
And starwalker is a star.
Dakr/star is one of the few established elemental pairs.
What’s a starwalker?
the current star walker is the one who walks away after you use the bell though
@@maddytucker9662 Shadow clones. Obviously.
But in reality, there could just be others in training or backups just in case anything goes wrong.
there is a ridiculous amount of evidence for papyrus being the knight lmao. so much so that i spent like, a week putting together a powerpoint compiling all the evidence a few months ago 💀 it makes a concerning amount of sense lol
may i see it?
@@RichConnerGMNngl i’m considering making a video or some other kind of post about it at some point, i have so many worms in my brain over this lmao
We aren't even 100% sure Papyrus even exists, as far as I know.
banger theories and editing, glad youtube recommended me your video
thank u!!!
My favorite theory is that Toby Fox uses our theories to create the next chapter of DR /j. In all seriousness, lovely video, I liked it a lot! One of my favorite theories that you mentioned is the Knight Papyrus theory. At the moment, it's pretty hard to say which character is the knight (if we know the knight at all, they could be a new character) but Papyrus has always been so high up on this list because he's so freaking mysterious. I really hope we get to see him in DR (I don't even care if he's just waving at us out the window, show us the skeleton, Toby!) because when I played UT I listened to every phone call with and without Undyne and looked at every video about him because he's just. that. interesting.
I also like the modification to the Sans is from DT theory with the added bonus that Papyrus is not. I don't have a reason for this being true, I just think it would be cool.
But I think Toby Fox arleady had a story for Deltarune for years considering that the idea of Chapter 1 came back in 2012 way before Undertale.
My theory is that Kris is the true antagonist of the story. Gaster can travel between dimesion and can see different timeline (at least i think) so he saw when the player had full control over the story a lot people died (genocide), so when he saw a new timeline (deltarune), he decided to limit the players power with the legend, in this way the player couldn't kill anyone, BUT for safety he putted in each dark world a guard (Jevil and Spamton) so if something went wrong he could free the guard. Kris in the second chapter decided to bring a person to kill (Noelle), Noelle isn't part of the legend so she could kill. And when the snowgrave route finish Gaster decide to free Spamton giving him the disk to stop Kris. This theory it's problably fake but I think some part might be true.
Woah. That's really well structured. I love it!
So, if this is true, then all the players who wanted a genocide route in chapter 1 were never going to get it, and it would be relevant to the plot...
I wonder if Kris will start to attempt manipulating Toriel..
Of course it's THEM that wants to kill and not the one who's controlling them, what was the name again?
Oh, right, THE ONE WHO DECIDED TO PLAY THE SNOWGRAVE ROUTE!!!
@@Lissy_YT481 True, but Kris moved on their own at one point in the route, annoying mouse room 2.
@@gingergingey8271 umh...
It was YOU who decided to move them, YOU'RE the one who chose "proceed", remember?
@@Lissy_YT481 That was ordering Noelle to proceed, not Kris, it's telling Noelle to proceed BREAKING THE PUZZLE.
You should’ve looked into the Woody Theory, it’s a relatively new one that states that the secret boss of chapter 3 will be a cowboy toe with a pull string, similar to woody from the toy story movies. I recommend watching the original video for a more in depth explanation but it surprisingly is very plausible
definitely will for part 2
Interesting theories for a part 2 (+ some of my opinions on them)
#1: Narrator theories
#2: theories about who sings don't forget (these get crazy in a way that still makes since, there's one that theorizes that memoryhead sings it and it sorta makes sense)
#3: third entity theory (it's not quite my cup of tea, it deletes all of Kris's ability to control their body most of the time, it could work for me if Kris still had control of their body in those scenes though)
#4: chess theory (makes sense, especially since we know of both Mike and Tenna, who could represent the 2 black rooks)
#5: Universal mother theory (great, probably canon except for the ralsei)
One of my theory’s is that every lightner has a darker counter part SPECIFICALLY Susie and Lancer.
It’s seen in chapter 1 that Lancer has quite the abusive father, even threatening to throw him off the roof of the Card Castle. And later in Chapter two, Lancer is extremely excited to have his own room, implying that he shared it with his father.
Susie covers most of her face in chapter one, only revealing the scar when Kris is in danger with the Spade King. My theory stems from the thought possess that the dark worlds are supposed to help the lightners with their real world problems.
I believe that the first chapters main goal was for Susie and her fathers relationship. At first lancer runs away from the thought of his friends standing up to his father or in this case killing him, and Susie even fights lancer because of her own misunderstanding. The only reason (I personally think) that Susie shows her scar at the end of chapter one is because she’s mentally ready to handle the responsibility of standing up for herself to her father. We never get to see where her house is after all.
And to further go this theory. Noelle is the main focus for Chapter 2, mainly the connection with her mom. There are many subtle hints throughout chapters 1 & 2 that Noelles mom is the Mayor. Much like the power that Queen has over the Cyber world. Queen wants to make the world her canvas, so to speak, and specifically asked Noelle to do it, knowing that
1) Noelle is easy to manipulate.
2) Noelle has a hard time saying no to things asked of her, especially after December went missing
Queen knows that Berdly would have been happy to do it for her, but she specifically asked Noelle, and Noelle at the end of Chapter two, gains the strength to stand up for herself, much like Susie in Chapter one
I could go on and on about this theory. So if you want more reach out I guess
(Edit: spelling errors)
Relating to 5:29, in a Q&A, someone asked Papyrus where he lived BEFORE Snowdin, and he said he didn't remember, but he remembers there being "green grass," something VERY RARELY seen in Undertale but seen in Deltarune.
5:10 I mean Yeah, Spamtom can talk normally. We already have confirmation of this because when we beat him after the boss fight, His corruption is gone and he talks normally.
but it's just a theory... A DELTARUNE THEORY
I think the Chess Theory is a good mention. Suggesting that each chapter boss would be a representation of a chess piece.
Chapter 1- king
Chapter 2- Queen
Chapter 3 -Rook (possibly Mike)
Chapter 4- Bishop (set in the church)
Chapter 5-Knight
Chapter 6- Pawn (that being the discarded creation, or Kris themself)
Chapter 7-your opponent in Chess (Gaster)
I have a theory : there are seven chapters in deltarune and seven souls were also mentioned from undertale. I think each chapter has a new soul type. For example , normal red soul in ch 1 and shooting yellow soul in ch 2.
Yknow I’m starting to think that the bunker is going to be a place for everyone in town to relocate during the roaring…
There’s also the inclusion of an orange boot in the puzzle, the rest of the items make sense (eg. Blue bird being berdly, purple home being susie, the only real “friend” kris has making them feel at home, also foreshadowing them being at kris’ home so on so forth…)
sans does say in his dialogue he gave up going back to where he is from (speculated to be the Deltarune universe), i'll say the line itself fully, "look. i gave trying to go back a long time ago and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either." The surface and the place he tried to go back aren't the same at all.
I think Ralsei has the dark fountain behind the cauldron, and can travel to other fountains when they form. But...
That's just a theory.
*A GAME THEO-*
I always hate when people say the tea theory implies that Kris dislikes Ralsei when it literally is proof of the opposite.
If Noelle drinks Ralsei tea, she only heals for 50 since Ralsei is a complete stranger to her,. Kris gets 60 from Ralsei tea, which does imply that he views Ralsei as a friend or at least an acquaintance rather than a stranger. If Kris hated Ralsei, it'd be lower than 50.
I think that maybe Kris feels kinda awkward around ralsei bc of the similitudes he has with asriel, it's not like Kris's dislikes ralsei, is more like he feels kinda weird to have a person who remind them to their beloved brother, but not in a completely bad way¿
Kris has only known Susie and Ralsei for 2 days each, and Susie literally threatened to murder Kris in their first on-screen interaction. And Kris likes Susie twice as much as Ralsei. that may not be overt hatred but they clearly don't like him very much, viewing Ralsei as slightly above a stranger. My personal theory on why is because when the camera cuts to Susie, Ralsei was doing it to have a conversation with Kris without the players influence, and whatever Ralsei told Kris during that time Kris clearly wasn't a fan of. Also Ralsei seems pleasantly surprised Kris had no visible reaction to his tea which might subtly hint that Ralsei actually thought Kris would have a negative opinion of him.
I think It's just Kris liking Susie more than Ralsei, rather than Kris not liking Ralsei very much. Ralsei the one who gives us (the player) choice, while Susie is the one who doesn't obey us (player), so Susie is more likeable to Kris because she doesn't give to player choice to do something.
60 is the neutral healing, 50 is below neutral.
Has anyone else thought it’s weird that Ralsei doesn’t freeze up like other darkners when he goes to a world other than his own?
if papyrus was the knight and still had the personality and energy he had in undertale, it would definitely be the funniest part of deltarune lore. like:
( fun gang enters a dark room )
( a ominous figure looms in the darkness )
...
* OH!
* HELLO LIGHTNERS!
* IT IS I, THE ROARING KNIGHT!
Since Kris doesn't show emotion, so I think the healing on him with the tea depends on how much he likes the flavor, for example, Ralsei's tea might be green tea (since he likes green) and Susie might have more bitter tea, Noelle might have ice tea because she uses snow attacks. But with the others, I think they like it more based on what tea, like with Noelle and Susie.
My theory (and popular fan theory) is that the voice who says that your guy is discarded, is chara. This is because in the Japanese language, the is a difference in spelling for formal and informal language, like if you said hello, it would be equivalent to saying hello to your boss or when it’s informal, your close friend. Chara is the ONLY PERSON IN UNDERTALE to speak formally in Japanese, that is a specific difference specifically chosen for THEM. You know who else has that exact way of speaking? The discarded voice. Through this, we can also confirm the character creator voice is 100% gaster, because he has the same erratic speaking patterns of constantly switching between kanji, katakana and hiragana. Also the fact that chara speaks with type 1 text, meaning in the English version, chara speaks with bold white text with no sound, that is a specific type used for cutscenes (which actually fits in this setting) or chara talking in the genocide ending. And I think that’s pretty neat.
Also who had a bad childhood, hates humanity, and would want you to not choose who you are? Chara. Just a footnote
The typer value that's used when the vessel is discarded is used by more than one character in Deltarune. It doesn't mean it's a different character as much as it means that it's just a different way of speaking. In fact, Susie uses the exact same typer value when threatening to bite your face off.
The Japanese text doesn't prove anything either, since most characters in the Dark World speak in formal Japanese. In fact, Susie uses formal Japanese when threatening Kris. This means it isn't any more likely to be Chara as it is to be Susie.
I think it's much more likely that this is simply Gaster trying to sound more threatening after discarding your vessel.
@@UnoriginalJokester But Gaster speaks in capital letters, the discarded voice speaks in normal writing.
@@pedromarques2788 As I mentioned before, Gaster could just be changing his speaking style to sound more threatening or for some other reason. After all, Sans can do it too (specifically the "You'd be dead where you stand" line and a majority of the judgement hall scenes.)
This video is great, it's epic to see opinions of theories like this. Honestly I think ralsei is asriel is the least credible out of all of those and tea theory is my favourite. But also the deltarune fanbase has a lot of theories, like for example chess theory, and universal mother theory and... jaru's theories i guess. There's a lot of ideas out there to explore.
I think bewaring Sans is actually quite an apt description and likely a kind of way to foreshadow Sans’s deal in terms of him not actually being too fond of you in Undertale or, at least, that he would have done his job if it weren’t for the promise he made
And let’s just say… he’s good at his job
In battle, you tell Kris what to do, and hell do it, we are a voice in kriss head, we can't ohisically do anything, but manipulation is a thing
Well, watching this made me realize something that I probably should have realized within ten seconds of Deltarune. FRISK is a partial anagram for KRIS... minus the F. Realized Ralsei and Asriel... but I derped on the Frisk one. LOL
there is a theory that suggests that asriel is dead and ralsei is his corpse fused with the power of the dark fountain, which means that ralsei is just a body without a soul which is evident by his chapter 1 design with the black heart in the center, and the theory suggests that kris is being possessed by asriel’s soul and we are the ones controlling asriel, if you think about it narratively it could definitely happen especially since it mirrors what happened in undertale, and if you think about it ralsei is basically this game’s version of flowey
Another reason Ralsei probably isn’t Asriel: he has a colored Dialogue portrait, which only Darkners have, it’s more evident in chapter 1 but you chapter 2 you can still tell due to the pink horns.
In a part of the video you mentioned that Lightners don’t have merchandise due to possible design changes in future chapters. This is definitely plausible but I think the lack of merch has more to do with the escapism story playing out in Deltarune. Darkners are a form of escape for Lightners, and this could also be a theme in the real world, too. People use Deltarune, the actual videogame, as a method of escapism and buying merchandise is a part of that. Having almost exclusively plushies, shirts, pins and more of characters who represent different forms of escape (like Lancer being the personification of a Jack of Spades or Queen being a computer) can have some lore implications. There’s more to this theory than what I’ve mentioned but it’s really interesting and worth looking into!
NO WAY QUEEN IS A MOTHERBOARD!?!?!
Someone else might have already said it, but I thought the reason why Toby stated he is selling merch of darkners is because darkners are literally objects in the light world given form through the thoughts and feelings of the person creating the dark world they inhabit. It's more "normal" to him to sell them because they're already inanimate objects in lore, and now they can be an inanimate object in your home. This is in refrence to 3:15.
Also during the Tea theory section at 6:40 ish there are additional details that I think are meant to establish this, in game, as fact rather than theory. It's important to look at the descriptions as well as the numbers. Susie tastes the apples she assiociated with Kris because Kris uses apple scented shampoo and they shared that apple related incident talked about during the Spamtom Sweepstakes. Ralsei tastes blueberries because, from his perspective, Kris is just blue. But what's interesting is it's not deeper than that for him, and I'll swing back to why. Noelle is the only one who's description of Kris tea is a little deeper, having an unplacable aftertaste. Noelle has a complicated friendship with Kris. Also I think it's more about perception rather than a linear scale of "like-dislike", however it's hard to really get that nuaince when it's just numeric representation and why it's important to factor in the descriptions. Kris being healed less by Ralsei tea could be because he's unnerved being constantly reminded that Asriel isn't around. Or any other number of factors. I seem to recall (but can't find a source to confirm) that Ralsei tea will also heal Kris MORE during a route where Kris has hugged Ralesi during the swan ride, please fact check that before believing it though.
actually ralsei is not intrested in kris romantically, he is interested in the player. at this point all of us know that ralsei will blush if you get too close to him for a while but what most of us don't know is that he doesn't blush when he is in direct contact with kris' sprite he only does when is within soul radious. also we know that the red soul is something unique to the player only and no human can get a red one without being possessed. the fact that kris can live without a soul even for a little while supports it. the soul is the culmination of your being and losing it would logically kill you instantly. so that means when the red soul is kicked out of kris he uses his own soul to survive but for some reason re-equipping the red soul, is this part of a plan of kris' to idk do something or whatever?
you know I’m just not gonna say anything
😶
We have no 100% evidence that Ralsei even KNOWS OF OUR EXISTENCE.
@@gingergingey8271 uuh actually yes we do its pretty obvious ever since chapter1
first of all in ch1 in one of the boxes puzzle if u screw up enough ralsei will tell you to move the boxes using [Z] with susie replying with "who the hell is [Z]" so he knows about the keyboard and that moving boxes takes a push of a button
also in both ch1 and ch2 when we and ralsei are alone and wondering whats happening with susie he tells us to "close our eyes and imagine what she is doing" and now tell me how in hell would kris "imagine" what susie is going through 100% down to the details? with noelle's ride and lancer's fight.
also each time we close our eyes when we come back to see kris they are suddenly talking about something with ralsei, with ralsei saying the line "so that's why ok kris?" if he wants to talk about something with kris alone but doesn't know that a 3rd entity exists why would he only talk to kris if his eyes are closed? he knows of our existence for a fact and wants to have the conversation with kris alone without us hearing about it for whatever reason
hope that convinced you after all that's just a theory of mine and I do see that its pretty likely looking at all the evidence, I will respect your opinion on whether its right or wrong regardless after all its just a game
also its kinda weird I remembered a comment I wrote to a video and the theory I wrote and went on to defend it A YEAR LATER! damn crazy about this game
“That eliminates Kris” well yeah if you assume the closet was where the knight was. And about the books thing:
1. If what you’re suggesting is true then Berdly and Noelle would have seen the knight in person.
2. The books don’t mean much as we see that Susie and Kris are positioned at the table despite having never gone there themselves so we know that things that go in the dark world don’t necessarily come out in the same place. So the books could also have reappeared there after Noelle and Berdly walked in holding them.
But if the man behind the tree (which is in no way confirmed to be gaster neither is there much evidence for this) is the knight then it could make some sense. A large closet appears in both light world equivalents of dark worlds. Chapter 2’s text implies that it is hiding something. The only thing I can think of to hide in both chapters are either the secret bosses or the man behind the tree.
Also that left up up thing is crazy clever
My main issue with a lot of knight theories including the one I just proposed is that it would kinda suck from a storytelling perspective. Like the big reveal of the knight is just fucking papyrus. Like that would be so stupid. Someone from the town would make more sense but even that is still kinda out of the blue. Imagine if the player up to this point hasn’t talked to the town people or found secrets. Then the story wouldn’t make as much sense
I was waiting for the Dess theory and I’ll keep waiting
I have made a couple theories that I've been trying to make known, but still not many people know of it.
They are fairly long to get through, but I have summarized them pretty good I think.
I have a metric-BUT-TON of evidence if you want a more detailed description and reasoning, but whenever I post anything, people tell me it's too much to read and to summarize it. So that's what this is. I hope you won't skip it just because it is long. I think that it's going to be worth reading.
:)
Theory number #1
The bunker is Deltarune's equivalent of THE CORE. Since the Core is supposed to be the power source that operates the entire Underground. And while I won't talk about it here, it's exact power source is left weirdly ambiguous to the point that Alphys stops talking about it when she wants to gush about the process. Implying importance towards the plot point, while also not really reveling any lore about where this power comes from. With many themes of "Darkness" in the core. Darkness totems, the dark lighting of the general area, being made by Gaster *BEFORE* his disappearance, and a couple other small things. Indicating that the "Magical thermal energy!" is actually darkness.
Theory number #2
This one actually builds off of that last one, but works even if the bunker doesn't = the core.
The theory is that because of the CORE's influence through every part of the Underground, using darkness is what lead to the monsters being more "Magic" that "Physical" and also explains why they can use magic.
Theory number #3
This theory is more of a question without an answer. It's simply me asking WHY nobody remembers/knows about the dark worlds. Darkners seem to remember a time when Lightners played with them. While we assume in Ch-2 that what Queen and the ciber-worlders are talking about must be the internet outage, we don't know that for sure. And when it comes to other things it gets even weirder. Kris grows in LV every chapter that we close a fountain, and overall the game has an undertone of a set destiny where choices don't matter. The reason I specify "destiny" rather than "control" is because of Kris's grim narration about the toy at the hospital.
In Undertale, LV was the indication of how 'distanced' from our love and compassion we are, thus making our attacks hit harder against monsters who are effected by the emotional intent of their attackers.
It could be that Kris knows these dark worlds and cares for them somehow. Using this logic, we can assume that closing Dark Words/DW's causes his LV to increase as though we are killing people who he knows. That added with the Spamton Sweepstakes info that we got, Kris 100% has always known about DWs due to him telling Noelle about ICE-E being real to scare her, and Noelle's subsequent mini-story about the pizza box being berried. Also because Ralsie is the ONLY source of information we have that multiple dark worlds being opened will end the world, despite some evidence of their being more of them in the past, says that the roaring might be a lie on Ralsie's part, so it.
Theory number #4
this is the biggest one of them all. This specific theory of mine says that Ralsie isn't lying about the exitance of The Roaring, but is either lying about what causes it, or ignoring it's effects on Kris. The theory goes that, because of the nature of a 'fountain" in the real world is an underground spring that gushers forth when too much pressure is built up it's starts to come out of the massively large and pressured water reservoir *_underground..._* How is one made? A lighter has to poke a hole in the ground. meaning that lightners aren't so much _making_ these fountains with their own power, but just releasing pre-existing 'darkness/darkness magic' that was already there and building up underground.
(I originally thought of this because I was like: 'how could a being of light make darkness?' and expanded on it in thought)
So this theory actually has 2 different scenarios.
@scenario/1 Ralsie wants to build up this pressure underground, likely causing it to explode all at once if there are no fountains to release this underground reservoir's pressure. With THAT being the trigger of the roaring.
@scenario/2 Ralsie is honest, but either doesn't realize or maybe care that "Absorbing" dark fountains has some kind of an effect on Kris. Whether it's a good one or a bad one..
Please Note: (I say this, building off of the "Kris Is A Darkness Sponge" theory created by a RUclips user who's name I can't remember from a JaruJaru video from about half a year to a year ago. )
(I can't really search for him now but if you really need the credit I could probably look up the video and scroll until I see the OG comment and then tell you the name. idk if he was the first, but as far as I can tell he is the original creator of the theory. That theory exploring how Kris could be absorbing the DFs into himself based on some text with the most important text being Spamton's attitude towards Kris in general, calling Kris a "Little Sponge" and "Funky-Little Worm!", describing Kris trying to close the Ciber-Wrold fountain as "TAKING"/"STEALLING" his fountain.) I don't own *that* theory.
(PS. please do not attack me for using HE instead of 'they' for Kris. It's easier for me and I just don't want people to fight over it. If you want to fight over something small like that, get over yourself. No offence, but I've been attacked and almost doxed for it one time a long time ago.)
thanks for covering all the major theories in deltarune in one decently short video!! i love the analysis!
also your indie game song playlists are great!
You know you could replace Sans with Everyman for the "man from another world" and it may work better.
Crack theory Toby Fox dog is the final boss of the game and the ,, Roaring " is just him aggressively barking at the player from the other side of the schreen.
honestly can see it happening like that
Thanks for a refreshing video brother, excited for Chapter 3
Loving your Deltarune vids, very informal! 😄
I love the idea of papyrus being the knight for some reason
I think it would be more appropriate to think of Ralsei not as Asriel specifically
But more, Asriel’s character when Kris and Asriel used to play in the dark world
I do believe it is stated somewhere that Asriel and Kris used to play in the dark world when they were little
Man, I was really expecting you to go over theories like the time loop theory that Jaru Jaru has.
Ooo the Gastor recruiting the player to stop the roaring from happening could be very likely considering Toby Fox (the creator) is a big earthbound fan and it has influenced his games-and in earthbound Ness is recruited by Buzz Buzz, who travels back in time, to prevent gigyas from destroying earth which had happened in their future.
Ngl pretty sure Toby took Ralsei’s hooded sprite and changed it a lil for trolley man
I believe the closet where "a large person could fit inside" is just a reference to Papyrus' Closet, because he's a big skeleton, and mentions him inside his own closet if you interact with it in UT.
Queens large mech.
I have a theory with the Asriel and Ralsei that Ralsei is something that is important to Kris that was from Asriel which is why she can move between darkworlds since her real life self is on Kris somewhere, which is also why she understands the hallways and classrooms etc.
Here's a theory that I have, MK is a lot more important than you think. His odd importance that is given to him more than usual (the fact that they made an entirely new sprite for him in Deltarune instead of just reskining the old one like the others already is weird enough), him triggering events in Undertale with Undyne despite them making no sense and Goner Kid. Goner Kid is like the vessel we see in the beginning of Deltarune Chapter 1 which means we can reasonably say that he's have some kind of power that we don't know off which makes sense because it explains why he keeps on appearing places in Waterfall with no explanation whatsoever along with the children characters in Undertale being really OP for some reason. This counts as an Undertale and Deltarune theory because when MK goes into the Dark World (like seriously, notice a pattern with the other students?), who knows if he'll be OP
My crackpot theory is that Mettaton just might be the 'Mike' weve been hearing about
Not hating but
Holy shit why does everyone think kris wants ralsei to perish,burn and die because of existing due of a 10 HP DIFFERENCE FROM NOELLE????
It's just neutral, that's what 60 is, neutral, don't hate, don't like, 70, is just a bit better, cares just a bit more.
ralsei being evil or kris or susie for that matter would just be lame tbh
I greatly appreciate the artwork you use for each theory, very cool
I've noticed that so far, only the characters that don't have a counterpart in Undertale have gone to the Dark World so far. Susie, Berdly and Noelle weren't in Undertale, besides maybe a few references, and they went to the Dark World, but characters that were in Undertale such as Temmie and Monster Kid haven't gone there. This isn't really a theory but i just think it's an interesting pattern.
One of my immediate thoughts is that you should rank the theories depending on how fun they are, for example soriel (not really a theory but it's a good example) is not going to happen but it is fun to think about and joke about.
I know a lot of people neglect this, but I would like to point out that W.D Gaster is a Doctor of some kind, and it's started to bug me when people don't use his title. Just thought I'd share!
Ohhh Yes, this video was amazing. I love this types of videos that show different theories and rank them on how likely they are to be true, and you did it perfectely with some superb editing. Also, I wasn't expecting to be jumpscared by My Time
Ah yes, Kris knight theory in C tier, when only Kris and Alvin have any evidence pointing towards them being the knight, and the closet thing in the computer lab is most likely referring to Queens large mech, which could be described as "A large person."
While the position of Noelle, Birdly and their books could indicate that the fountain could have been made while they were in the classroom (and it would make little sense that Noelle and Birdly being as smart as they are to just waltz into a suspicious room), I think that Kris still has a chance to actually have been the one to create the fountain in the computer lab.
Remember back in Chapter 1, how Kris and Susie woke up in a different place compared to how they first entered the closet fountain, and hold there were objects randomly placed in the supposed unused classroom? It could be the same for Noelle and Berdly. They could just as easily woke up differently compared to how they entered, and their books were miraculously placed infront of wherr they were sleeping. (I know I'm pulling at straws, but just listen.)
Know remember Kris' little free roam during the end of Chapter 1? We don't actually know if he only ate the pie that night. He might've secretly planted the fountain in the computer lab while we weren't looking.
This could all just be a bunch of bologna, but it could explain why he had a knife with him. (It would be pretty dumb to bother ripping the player out just to eat some pie.)
they could've just thought the light was off, and also, in case you tried to use it, who would go into a computer lab, when there's no internet, lemme tell you why, something school related like studying, and, dark worlds don't immediately drag people in unless someone has already entered it which disproves the knight entering any dark world so far, and you change positions in the dark world, we know this as a FACT from chapter 2, Kris and Susie are not where they should've been from where they entered, they're closer to the desks than they should, and they're a bit too to the right to have been logically able to get there while not moving.
Here me out: everything like the roaring ect is in the manual, so Ralsie thinks we read the manual so he doesn’t think he has to bring it up
I hope Papyrus does end up as a party member as the knight, he’s still my favourite Toby Fox character lol
My theory is that Ralsei is not evil, but cares more abaut the player than she cares abaut Kris. Is something i started believing after waching the Dorked video abaut the subject
12:05 I think "large person" could easily be a red herring. Just because a large person COULD fit inside doesn't mean the knight actually was large.
or Queens large mech.
Im starting to think Kris is Asriel/flowey in Undertale, and Undertale is just yet another dark world. Basically this would make deltarune a prequel to Undertale.
My favorite Theory is that Ralsei told you all about the Roaring and explaining literally everything about him and what is happening in the dark worlds
...
But, it's ALL in the Manual, that Kris doesn't read (and you can't read it)
That would actually make a lot of sense. I mean supposedly the manual is pretty dense; gotta be more than just gameplay controls in there.
Plus we got signs from chapter 1 that the story Ralsie told wasn't the entire legend, because if you don't let him tell you the prophecy then when Lancer arrives he mentions a teardrop-headed kid in the legend (i.e. himself). That doesn't sound like Ralsie was really hiding anything though, just that it's a really detailed legend and he was giving us the abridged version.
i personally believe that the vessel is the knight, there would be no reason to have a whole vessel creation just to actually discard it, i feel like it would be cool if at the very end after everybody forgets about the vessel it shows up as the knight.
or there are two knights, the only ones with evidence that aren't completely made up or delusion, aka, Kris and Alvin.
Here is my take:
Ralsei is evil theory is baseless and originates from poor story imagination. He certainly hides secrets, but there is no evidence that he's evil. I think it would be stupid to just classify him as evil or good in the first place. Because everything in this game could be very complicated, and we don't know what's the deal with him yet. This theory just makes the most simple explanation for him being sus. I would easily just put it in E tier for how stupid it is.
Ralsei is Asriel theory is more of an obvious reaction for those who played Undertale rather than a theory. That's clearly what the game wants us to think. It can well be true or not. If we rate theories on how smart or stupid they are, i would also put it in E.
Spamton had a call from Gaster theory is also rather obvious, but i think it is correct with a very high probability. It's easy to figure out, but since it's just likely correct, i'll give it an A.
Sans from Undertale and Deltarune is the same person theory is C. Not much to say about it.
Tea theory is easily S. Do i really need to explain? I agree with what was said in the video.
Gaster is in the bunker theory gives me pretty much the same impression as sans theory, but i would say it's a bit more likely to happen, so i'll put it in B.
Gaster speaking in the beginning is pretty much 100% true, and that's also very easy to figure out. That's pretty much an S. But i would want to separate it from what was added later, and it is that Deltarune had already happened but without us. I would put this part in A.
As much as i personally hate You vs Kris theory because i don't think that's exactly a good plot, but my guts are telling me it is very likely to be true, so i'll put it in A.
Now regarding the who is the Knight theory. Idk what made him think that Kris is the least likely, when it is literally the most obvious option that comes to mind. That's what the game wants us to think with it's plot. Surely, it can all just be a trap and Kris isn't the knight, and it is also a very likely possibility. But i still think that despite all of this, it is still very likely that Kris is the knight, so i'll put it in A. I would put Gaster also in A, just because he is the one who has a lot of importance. But Alvin? Seriously? That's what he thinks is the most likely option? I see why it could be, and it would be truly surprising to make such seemingly unimportant character to be the knight. But still... I think it is quite silly, i'll put it in C. Papyrus sounds similarily absurd, but since he's more important character, i'll put it in B.
And i'm suprised that in this whole video he didn't mention the chess theory at all. I mean, there is a lot of theories left that weren't even included in this video. It does say that it only considers the most popular theories, but i thought the chess theory was popular enough, i would put it in S. Because we already have characters like King, Queen, and Knight.
What about the shadow crystals theory?
And also the secret bosses souls order theory.
Oh, i just remembered, he didn't mention any Dess related theories at all, there are quite a lot of them.
Yeah, you defenitely need to make part 2.
I think that Ralsei is hiding something, but I don't think he's evil. I don't think that Ralsei and Asriel are the same entity, but one thing to be sure of: They're both connected in some way. Obviously Spamton isn't the wrong number caller. I mean c'mon, how can he call to the Undertale world? Also, Spamton didn't exist when Undertale was in development. I don't think that Sans is from Deltarune because they theory doesn't make sense. Like, I think that Deltarune is a time loop, and him changing from Deltarune to Undertale doesn't make sense because that would make Deltarune a prequel to Undertale, which Toby Fox said that it isn't true, so that theory is wrong. I think that tea theory is correct and it makes a lot of sense. I think that the bunker is connected to Gaster, but I don't know how to use Gaster in Undertale/Deltarune theories. I think that depending on the route you're making, the player is good and evil. Like, if you're playing pacifist, then the player is good. If you're playing aggressive, then the player is neutral and if you're playing snowgrave then the player is evil. But even if the player is evil or not, Kris wants to get rid of them because they're being controlled by them. About the roaring knight, I think that they're a new character that we haven't seen yet.
I think Delta Rune is a world Asriel created. The over world looks like a pacifist ending, but Mettaton's Neo form from the genocide route pops up. So it makes me think this is a reformed Asriel from the Pacifist route who had to experience an incomplete genocide run. Namely if the player is stuck on Sans. Asriel could of grabbed the souls to remake the world into what he thought the pacifist ending was. That would explain Ralsie's knowledge of the over wold.
Then there's how wary some of the characters are to the player in Deltarune. Ralsie conversing behind the player's back. Sans sits behind a counter and is no longer joking with the player. I start to think Sans intentionally kept Papyrus away. Like protecting him from a no mercy run. I half expect Ralsie to be pulling a Sans and trying herd the player down a pacifist route. All to figure out how stop the player from choosing to reset the game and go down the bad route.
I have a theory that ralsei is just the things kris likes (goats, red horns(from headband), nice people, green (from crayon) and magic which he wishes he had)
This might be a little of a stress, but I think that Ralsei is Kris's brother. Ralsei seems to know things about the light world (like the school,) and doesn't always give information to Kris or Susie. Also, in chapter two, Ralsei does not turn to stone. Also, Kris's brother is supposed to arrive from college in chapter 7, so this could be a interesting twist. Especially since I think Kris might be the final boss. The only things I'm not sure about is the whole Ralsei likes Kris thing. Ralsei might just recognize Kris (as mentioned in chapter one at the start of the game)
Spoilers for omori, but I like how Kris might be like
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Omori in the normal, Sunny route. You have to fight them, and you were the one controlling them. It might be interesting to think that Kris' dark world form is like Sunny's OMORI; They were built for a purpose, and they won't stop. For Omori, he was made to stop Sunny's trauma from Mari. DW Kris, or to some extent, RALSEI, could be created for the purpose of satisfying Kris in a twisted way.
Also note: DARK WORLD and DREAM WORLD are the same acronym.
What if Gaster was revealed as a normal NPC? How would you think the fan base would interact if that was the case?
I was looking for Gaster in the game and realized that Seam's face is literally Gaster's face, hear me out.
IS THAT MY TIME BY BO EN??? WHAT WAS THAT ABSOLUTE CURVEBALL
A part two would be awesome!
definitely gonna make a part 2 sometime in the future!!
Ralsei being asriel aslo haves that asriel had trophies on his room and on the room ralsei did from Kris it also had them and ralsei can go to every dark world being explained that he is a lightner.
I personally don't like ralsie is evil because he is just so cute he would never do anything wrong don't look at the profile pic
im not an expert but theres a few more arguments for sans being from the deltarune universe in addition to them "just showing up one day"
- in his secret room behind his house, he has a picture of three people that frisk "doesnt recognize", and it says "dont forget". Kris, Ralsei and Susie are a Trio ( 3) and dont forget is the name of deltarunes theme. and if the three people were like sans, papyrus and gaster like i saw people say often, frisk wouldve recognized papyrus.
- in one of the Somewhat recent papyrus q&a's, hes asked where he came from. he starts saying he remembers green grass but sans cuts him off. probably the only way papyrus wouldve seen green grass before coming to the underground is if he was a lightner in the deltarune world because . Theres grass.
- hes the only character shared between UT and DT to stay the exact same.
- the door to sans' room in undertale is the same as the fast travel door in deltarune
- Impretty sure there was another piece of evidence but i forgot lo l
My personal theory regarding Gaster is that he made contact with sans and papyrus while they were residing in the world of Deltarune. Obviously this makes sense for Sans and there's a lot of hints in undertale that Papyrus knows more than he lets on, so I think them being like backyard quantum physicists honestly fits. It's also possible they just happened to be randomly contacted by Gaster and instructed how to build a more convenient means of communication. Anyway I think the skelebros and Gaster started collaborating on experiments, Gaster learning of the dark fountains and the rules of determination in their world. This explains entry 17, he's communicating across worlds about the results of his experiments. I think gaster tried to make a dark fountain for some reason. But because the rules of determination work differently in undertale, it went horribly wrong, causing him to fall in. This is why we see his fingerprints all across the dark worlds in Deltarune, that's where he ended up primarily after shattering. I also think the dark world being created in the world of Undertale led to a sort of fissure being created between the two worlds, which is perhaps how Gasters pieces ended up there and how Sans and Papyrus were able to travel between the two. The rest, like how it all relates into the bunker and how it relates to the larger plot of Deltarune I’m unsure of. I have a pet theory in terms of why Gaster created the dark fountain and the existence of the angel in Undertale and Deltarune respectively, but its long winded and convoluted and is probably gonna be disproven.
I think the dog is th knight he was in the area that the dark world was and he was in the dark world
I just thought that i would say that it seems ralsei isn't the only Darkner that knows about the light world because in chapter 2 queens says that the cyber world in only in the library which shows that ralsie isn't the only person who knows about the light world, also i have seen people say that it is weird that ralsei can go to other dark worlds, but in chapter 1 we travel to a different dark world by going through the great door which implies that the dark worlds are connected, the reason i say castle town and the card world are different dark world is because when we seal the dark fountain in chapter 1 we can still go back to castle town, also people say ralsei should have turned into a statue in the cyber world but ralsei says that his fountain is made of pure darkness and that is why other darkners can live in castle town, so i would assume that ralsei can go to other dark worlds to because he comes from a dark fountain made of pure darkness
P.S while i do think ralsei is hiding something a lot of the evidence that it in most theories can be explained
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