Your advice @12:00 is excellent: 'just get started, be picky later'. Same goes for 'diminishing returns'. Get the arrow you need, not the arrow you want.
@@hsr513 i mean, to be fair, from his perspective he's just watching some random dude film himself at the local range he goes too lol. Probably more curious than anything I'd imagine
I bought 2 dozen arrows for my son and i and it was the best 130$ spent in a while . From lancaster opening muley day 2 days away here in cali. My 16yr old got his first buck last year. And i got a buck . We both nailed one last year. We used gold tip hunter. I like gold tip. Thank you for your time and work.
Wow, I know Gold tip makes some good arrows, but that was really informative! I would not hesitate to shoot those Warrior arrows. The way Tim built the arrows so methodically is critical, thanks for including that.
Mfjj right on seeing a noticeable difference at distance. One is a 204 the other is 246 inner diameter. One is rolled carbon the other is woven. If you do the tuning you can get a .006 arrow to fly just as good as the .001. as a target or 3d arrow the warrior is a good economical arrow. Let's face it if you shoot a lot your going to lose or destroy arrows. Personally I'd rather lose a cheaper arrows and use my better arrows for hunting
I feel like for the average archer if you did a blind test with unlabeled arrows they probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between midline arrows and high end arrows. Unless youre Levi Morgan or something I feel like it’s just an unnecessary expense.
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I shoot the Victory VAP Elite .166 with the Victory Penetrator outserts. Very expensive. I may put together some aluminum arrows and see if there is a big difference. Thanks again
You are absolutely right about the parallels with golf. Years ago I met a guy in my archery club who told me the reason people like archery is because when you hit the center of the target you're "getting your goodie." You can have five terrible shots and that one that hits the center still feels good. It keeps you coming back. The same goes for golf. You can have a terrible round, but you remember that one approach shot that landed two feet from the flag or that long putt you sank. Getting your goodie....so true !!
Would love to see the cheap arrow shot into steel again but this time with the podium insert. Would be more apples to apples comparison to really see how much good carbon is worth
Great video ! I recently bought a 240$ dozen Easton axis match grade 4mm . I love them , they shoot like my beaman carbon arrows did back in the 90s and early 2000s. I really like the penetrative of the narrower arrows , I live in Alaska and have taken a brooks range bull caribou with my bow at around 80 yards , estimate as I made the kill shot without a range finder ...lol
The outdoor sport accommodation is beautiful in the states. English bow builder here, I would live to see them make their way to hunters across the pond
Great commentary and life experience shared, so many ppl miss out bcuz everything has to be so perfect, and the best of the best, it’s all about simple pleasures really, IMO anyways, just get out there and make memories, that’s what really matters, especially just starting out
I ended up going with the RIP non-TKO based on a video you or Josh did a while back on best arrow for the money. Been very pleased with them so far. Good info as always. Would be interested to see broadhead test results as well.
Same here, I originally got a couple dozen rip tko, sports and elites, but since they've got up $80 a doz i decided to try the rip in the sports, apart from being heavier than advertised they've been great, shooting out to 110m no issues, love the 60gn ss insert that comes with them compared to the 50gn ally one with the tko
Great video Tim, way to take the time to build the arrows carefully and methodically. I believe that truly pays off. Only think I would add to your arrow building process is doing anothet spin test after you install the insert & field point with the hot melt glue. In my personal experience that glue can build up in certain spots of the insert causing the arrow wobble in a spin test. Good thing is you just need to boil some water, dip the tip of the arrow in for 2-3 seconds and readjust/ spin test until it sounds perfectly. Love the content Tim, keep it up!
100% on point with your outro. I see too many people that research graphs and charts between products that are nearly splitting hairs just to pay the extra for something you won’t be able to squeeze that performance out of without an extreme amount of experience. However, that is marketing and consumers want to know they bought the best.
Awesome one, I’ve been debating this one for long time and, especially when I first started spotting $3 Walmart arrows that I shot great to my RIP TKO elites that shot just as good,,, lol only difference in quality I saw was durability, but after shooting 3D and sometimes losing arrows, I’ve went back and forth a lot and sometimes went cheaper but just built em well,, and reserve the spendy ones for other things, but great job and love the advice, “Just get started” I’m gonna use that one, thanks 🙏 brotha
Wassup Brother. Awesome video. I just recently switched from Gold Tip Hunter XT 340's to Victory RIP 350's for this season. I'll probably go to the TKO's eventually, but I'm happy with the RIP's for now. Now I have a choice of broadheads to make. Iron Will single bevel 125's or the VPA Omega 125 single bevel. I'd be interested in seeing how those Warriors handle broadheads up front. I'm sure they're not spine aligned so they might do some funky stuff. But, you never know unless you do it. Keep up the amazing work. It definitely helps a lot of us.
I love my gold tips. I bought a single set or rip tkos on a trip and we passed through lancaster. They reccomended 400s for my draw. One of them was a defect and broke during the shot. Victory wouldn't cover it because they reccomend a 340 spine for my draw and lancaster stood by their stance that 400 spine was appropriate. Won't get another victory product after that. Gt hunters are more than just fine and half the cost for a higher tolerance.
A midline arrow can become a quality shaft spine testing,spin test,grain weighted I am ocd I weigh every component out and when it’s done all my shafts are either the same of half a grain + or - each other
I did a group test at 20 yards with Easton Hexx vs some Walmart mossy oak which I think they are Victory arrows. There was a significant difference in the group.
As JJ alluded to that fixed blades will tell the tale… well… let’s see?!?! I personally don’t think there is that great a difference 🤷🏽♂️ I wish that I would have done this testing for myself hundreds of arrows ago! Advertisement is the key thing with most choices people make, and not intelligent testing such as this! I suspect that all of the different arrow manufacturers are laughing at all of us, all the way to the bank! Great content! Thanks!
I have good expiriences in using the bearpaw hunter inserts with protector ring in front and back of the arrow. Since than no arrow broke, even when I shot stones on short range in the parcour. But I am a traditional archer with 55# horsebow @32".
Buy some X10 protours. You know you want to. I got 2dz shafts and 4dz SS points, pins, and nocks 15 years ago. Still have more than a dozen and it’s the only outdoor target arrow I shoot. It’s a real advantage in the wind. Also the shaft is so thin that I squeezes into a tight group of arrows. People are constantly buying new bows but buying these arrows but in my opinion investing in X10s is the best money spent in outdoor target archery.
Please. Please. Please. PLEASE do a video on how you get vanes even when use the mini max. I’m begging you. I love the helical, but I cannot get my vanes to come out even for the life of me. I’ve added painters tape to each arm to hold the vane in place when closing and that’s helped, but it’s causing imperfections at the base of the vane. Second - it would be awesome to see a torture test between MFJJ’s new collar and half outs compared the 50 gr aluminum and 75 gr titanium that victory offers. Great vid!
I've built my own arrows for years flea market to $ 300 a dozen if you index your arrows and put a little off set on your fletchings knowing which twist your bow throws then find the foc your arrow spine likes and tune them in ie tune your bow to the arrow flight till your happy, learn the basics of archery then test and learn, do ya home work in the end it's rewarding and gives you the ability to help others less knowledgeable 😊
I always assume the more expensive arrows are for championships. Like the X10's. Let us assume they are 0,5% "better" (consistency etc). For us, mere humans, that 0,5% means absolutely nothing as we are less consistent as archers. But the champions shooting 62 arrows that 0,5% is a massive difference.
Absolutely need to see a part 2 with broadheads. I mean that's not even a question but the question is what broadheads right? Well the most popular ones that sell at podium Archer I guess and then you got to throw in an iron. Will maybe a grizzly stick or something
ha, I wish you would've shot the arrow when it was knocked below the d-loop at 10:45. Keep the videos coming. Try group tuning, I really think it will help you out.
Good video, spending for top end things is a little crazy if you haven't got a solid foundation in anything, just wasted money. As for the moustache, if you get a flatop you could almost be a double for Farva in super troopers....................
So I’m just curious, what is your draw length and weight? I just really got into doing research and building my own arrows last year. I shoot a .250 spine with 200gr up front, 70lbs, 32in draw. Shooting about 530is taw. My question is, an average sized man, with say a 28-30” DL shooting 70lbs with 130gr up front, I would think that you would be quite a bit over spined. Not at all knocking you, I’m just genuinely curious.
Why did you knock the gold tip below you d loop? I wanna see the broad head video, I totally re did my arrows this year from a vap gamer 250 spine at 450 grains to sportsman's gold tip 340 spine at 405 grains but having trouble getting broadheads to tune.
I shoot my expensive arrows at indoor and when i haven't streatch out for awhile my cheaper victory vsport come out and it's hard to tell a difference but i do prefer the more expensive arrow, i probably own about 800- 1000 arrows and about 27 bows but trying to stick to the same bow and gear fir consistency
I shoot these garbage x3 envy arrows from basspro which happen to be goldtip hunters during the summer and then for deer season I pull out my GT hunter pros, I see next to no difference other than a little drop from the added weight of the lighted nock. I would not hesitate to hunt with the X3 envy arrows and actually have before I got the hunter pros.
When you had your bowtech could you use the go stix to stand the bow up using the cam as the third point of contact? I have a bowtech and want to use the go stix but dont have a long stabilizer. Thanks.
Anyone want to see broadheads for part 2?
Heck ya Tim keep em coming.
Have to see if there is a difference w broadheads
Love to see .001 RIP TKO vs. .006 RIP TKO with fixed blades.
Yes
Yes. Let’s see it’s!
When MFJJ rolls up on that bike I thought for sure he was gonna say “got room for one more if you wanna go to Aspen!”
Your advice @12:00 is excellent: 'just get started, be picky later'. Same goes for 'diminishing returns'.
Get the arrow you need, not the arrow you want.
Plz tell me the guy in the back was atleast talking to you. Idk why but i cant stop laughing. He will not look away😂
I was laughing at that too
we never made eye contact, wasn't weird at all
Mean muggin hard lol
@@hsr513 i mean, to be fair, from his perspective he's just watching some random dude film himself at the local range he goes too lol. Probably more curious than anything I'd imagine
He's cracking me up.... Just standing there swaying in the wind.
I bought 2 dozen arrows for my son and i and it was the best 130$ spent in a while . From lancaster opening muley day 2 days away here in cali. My 16yr old got his first buck last year. And i got a buck . We both nailed one last year. We used gold tip hunter. I like gold tip. Thank you for your time and work.
Bro in the back 🧍🏼♂️
Wow, I know Gold tip makes some good arrows, but that was really informative! I would not hesitate to shoot those Warrior arrows. The way Tim built the arrows so methodically is critical, thanks for including that.
I think i got a bit lucky getting 12 good ones, but hey!
@@TimConnor13 Some of us are shooting at Elk not gnats.🙃
Mfjj right on seeing a noticeable difference at distance. One is a 204 the other is 246 inner diameter. One is rolled carbon the other is woven. If you do the tuning you can get a .006 arrow to fly just as good as the .001. as a target or 3d arrow the warrior is a good economical arrow. Let's face it if you shoot a lot your going to lose or destroy arrows. Personally I'd rather lose a cheaper arrows and use my better arrows for hunting
Home boi in the back lurking like crazy bro 😂
I feel like for the average archer if you did a blind test with unlabeled arrows they probably wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between midline arrows and high end arrows. Unless youre Levi Morgan or something I feel like it’s just an unnecessary expense.
for you east coast folks yeah it really doesn’t matter what arrow yall use cuz yall don’t shoot past 25 yards
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. I shoot the Victory VAP Elite .166 with the Victory Penetrator outserts. Very expensive. I may put together some aluminum arrows and see if there is a big difference. Thanks again
You are absolutely right about the parallels with golf. Years ago I met a guy in my archery club who told me the reason people like archery is because when you hit the center of the target you're "getting your goodie." You can have five terrible shots and that one that hits the center still feels good. It keeps you coming back. The same goes for golf. You can have a terrible round, but you remember that one approach shot that landed two feet from the flag or that long putt you sank. Getting your goodie....so true !!
"Paralysis by analysis" - love it.
Awesome arrow build, nice to see them fly🫡👍✌️
Idk how I’ve never heard of “paralysis by analysis” before, but jeez is that accurate for me 😅
Shoutout to Tim for using the target cam to block the dude in the back giving him sneak a peak at a bar vibes.
I just built a dozen Vforce Gamers with stainless inserts for less than $100. Flying as good as my more expensive Elites and VF TKOs out to 80+
Would love to see the cheap arrow shot into steel again but this time with the podium insert. Would be more apples to apples comparison to really see how much good carbon is worth
Doesn't make a .246 insert , I've been asking lol
Honestly a half out is one of the weaker designs without a collar. If it had a hit insert with a collar it would’ve survived.
@@the_sharp_carpenterhe’s about to have some
@@CalebVernier yeah just saw his walk through of his component storage. Looking forward to trying it out
@@hunteradamson5024what makes a half out one of the weaker designs?
Great video, I would definitely like to see part 2. 👍
The last minute or so of this video is great advice.
best advice i heard when i started recurve was 'you can't buy scores', and this holds pretty much true for every sport i've ever played
Great video ! I recently bought a 240$ dozen Easton axis match grade 4mm . I love them , they shoot like my beaman carbon arrows did back in the 90s and early 2000s. I really like the penetrative of the narrower arrows , I live in Alaska and have taken a brooks range bull caribou with my bow at around 80 yards , estimate as I made the kill shot without a range finder ...lol
I just enjoy you promoting archery. Will do anything to help someone get into archery.
The outdoor sport accommodation is beautiful in the states.
English bow builder here, I would live to see them make their way to hunters across the pond
Great commentary and life experience shared, so many ppl miss out bcuz everything has to be so perfect, and the best of the best, it’s all about simple pleasures really, IMO anyways, just get out there and make memories, that’s what really matters, especially just starting out
Yes!! Pt 2 with Broadheads please!!
I ended up going with the RIP non-TKO based on a video you or Josh did a while back on best arrow for the money. Been very pleased with them so far. Good info as always. Would be interested to see broadhead test results as well.
that's a very good arrow.. my buddy drew shoots them and positive results for sure
Same here, I originally got a couple dozen rip tko, sports and elites, but since they've got up $80 a doz i decided to try the rip in the sports, apart from being heavier than advertised they've been great, shooting out to 110m no issues, love the 60gn ss insert that comes with them compared to the 50gn ally one with the tko
Great video Tim, way to take the time to build the arrows carefully and methodically. I believe that truly pays off. Only think I would add to your arrow building process is doing anothet spin test after you install the insert & field point with the hot melt glue. In my personal experience that glue can build up in certain spots of the insert causing the arrow wobble in a spin test. Good thing is you just need to boil some water, dip the tip of the arrow in for 2-3 seconds and readjust/ spin test until it sounds perfectly. Love the content Tim, keep it up!
Love the dude just watching the camera in the background lol
but now I have to watch the video again to see what Tim did. Amazing how bro didn't even really move.
Yes. Do the broadheads! Good video
100% on point with your outro. I see too many people that research graphs and charts between products that are nearly splitting hairs just to pay the extra for something you won’t be able to squeeze that performance out of without an extreme amount of experience. However, that is marketing and consumers want to know they bought the best.
We're as a society are obsessed to a fault with technology. After all some of us are shooting at Elk not gnats!
David Crosby comparing arrows, the things on RUclips are always surprising.
Awesome one, I’ve been debating this one for long time and, especially when I first started spotting $3 Walmart arrows that I shot great to my RIP TKO elites that shot just as good,,, lol only difference in quality I saw was durability, but after shooting 3D and sometimes losing arrows, I’ve went back and forth a lot and sometimes went cheaper but just built em well,, and reserve the spendy ones for other things, but great job and love the advice, “Just get started” I’m gonna use that one, thanks 🙏 brotha
Wassup Brother. Awesome video. I just recently switched from Gold Tip Hunter XT 340's to Victory RIP 350's for this season. I'll probably go to the TKO's eventually, but I'm happy with the RIP's for now. Now I have a choice of broadheads to make. Iron Will single bevel 125's or the VPA Omega 125 single bevel. I'd be interested in seeing how those Warriors handle broadheads up front. I'm sure they're not spine aligned so they might do some funky stuff. But, you never know unless you do it. Keep up the amazing work. It definitely helps a lot of us.
RIP's are solid arrows
I'm glad you done this, I've shot cheap arrows all my life up until last year when I ordered the rip xv
Seems like Ron Jeremy knows a thing or two about shooting a bow.
I love my gold tips. I bought a single set or rip tkos on a trip and we passed through lancaster. They reccomended 400s for my draw. One of them was a defect and broke during the shot. Victory wouldn't cover it because they reccomend a 340 spine for my draw and lancaster stood by their stance that 400 spine was appropriate. Won't get another victory product after that. Gt hunters are more than just fine and half the cost for a higher tolerance.
A midline arrow can become a quality shaft spine testing,spin test,grain weighted I am ocd I weigh every component out and when it’s done all my shafts are either the same of half a grain + or - each other
Very good point about just getting started and analyse everything later 👍
Had a set of cheap arrows shoot way more consistent than my expensive ones as well.
I did a group test at 20 yards with Easton Hexx vs some Walmart mossy oak which I think they are Victory arrows. There was a significant difference in the group.
Awesome video Tim! Absolutely do wanna see a part 2.
Thank you, just proven a point for me. Its not always the equipment, cheaper is sometimes as good as expensive.
I really like my Black eagle Carnivore shafts, 8.5 gpi on 300 or 7.5 on 350s cheap .246. Would love a podium 25 or 50 grain titanium insert option.
As JJ alluded to that fixed blades will tell the tale… well… let’s see?!?!
I personally don’t think there is that great a difference 🤷🏽♂️
I wish that I would have done this testing for myself hundreds of arrows ago!
Advertisement is the key thing with most choices people make, and not intelligent testing such as this!
I suspect that all of the different arrow manufacturers are laughing at all of us, all the way to the bank!
Great content! Thanks!
i'm curious too!
I have good expiriences in using the bearpaw hunter inserts with protector ring in front and back of the arrow. Since than no arrow broke, even when I shot stones on short range in the parcour. But I am a traditional archer with 55# horsebow @32".
The gold tip warrior is just a arrow that didn't make "hunter" specs in one way or another
Buy some X10 protours. You know you want to. I got 2dz shafts and 4dz SS points, pins, and nocks 15 years ago. Still have more than a dozen and it’s the only outdoor target arrow I shoot. It’s a real advantage in the wind. Also the shaft is so thin that I squeezes into a tight group of arrows. People are constantly buying new bows but buying these arrows but in my opinion investing in X10s is the best money spent in outdoor target archery.
Please. Please. Please. PLEASE do a video on how you get vanes even when use the mini max. I’m begging you. I love the helical, but I cannot get my vanes to come out even for the life of me. I’ve added painters tape to each arm to hold the vane in place when closing and that’s helped, but it’s causing imperfections at the base of the vane. Second - it would be awesome to see a torture test between MFJJ’s new collar and half outs compared the 50 gr aluminum and 75 gr titanium that victory offers. Great vid!
Tim C lovin the vids! Real, no bs archery!
appreciate you!
I've built my own arrows for years flea market to $ 300 a dozen if you index your arrows and put a little off set on your fletchings knowing which twist your bow throws then find the foc your arrow spine likes and tune them in ie tune your bow to the arrow flight till your happy, learn the basics of archery then test and learn, do ya home work in the end it's rewarding and gives you the ability to help others less knowledgeable 😊
I’ve been shooting the Warriors for a while now and love them. They’ve been a great arrow, especially for the price
awesome to hear
I always assume the more expensive arrows are for championships. Like the X10's. Let us assume they are 0,5% "better" (consistency etc). For us, mere humans, that 0,5% means absolutely nothing as we are less consistent as archers. But the champions shooting 62 arrows that 0,5% is a massive difference.
Big boy in the back is crushing on you. Lol
Fixed blade broad head, heavy , 200grn broad head, penetration also!
Actually “you gotta nock it to try it” 😂
lol so good
Absolutely need to see a part 2 with broadheads. I mean that's not even a question but the question is what broadheads right? Well the most popular ones that sell at podium Archer I guess and then you got to throw in an iron. Will maybe a grizzly stick or something
ha, I wish you would've shot the arrow when it was knocked below the d-loop at 10:45. Keep the videos coming. Try group tuning, I really think it will help you out.
I didn’t hear a word anyone said from 6min to 6:30 because I was to distracted by the guy losing a wrestling match with his bino harness. 😂
lol.. J money
Could you do a video on what these targets are and how you make them or where you get them.
Part 2 for sure
The mustache makes you look like David Crosby
First difference between your version of testing and mine is I would have not tuned with bare shafts
Halfouts on the pricier arrows, shouldve tested both with half outs
I don’t know a lot but your shot process is looking killer this year.
I would like to see a part 2 with broadheads.
Good video, spending for top end things is a little crazy if you haven't got a solid foundation in anything, just wasted money. As for the moustache, if you get a flatop you could almost be a double for Farva in super troopers....................
Tim starting to look like he lives in a van on MFJJ’s property.
What about your bow and the sight? What are they?
Let’s see part 2!!
I think the reason your mustache works is because of your awesome mullet. 😄
Yes on part 2
Subtract points smaller numbers are easier to add up
You shoot considerably better with the thumb button vs the index release….draw length looks better too, less face on that string
400 for a dozen arrows is wild
Keep doing what you're doing Tim! Love it!
There is zero difference just the label, and the magical placebo effect it has on the archer.
So I’m just curious, what is your draw length and weight? I just really got into doing research and building my own arrows last year. I shoot a .250 spine with 200gr up front, 70lbs, 32in draw. Shooting about 530is taw. My question is, an average sized man, with say a 28-30” DL shooting 70lbs with 130gr up front, I would think that you would be quite a bit over spined. Not at all knocking you, I’m just genuinely curious.
Why did you knock the gold tip below you d loop? I wanna see the broad head video, I totally re did my arrows this year from a vap gamer 250 spine at 450 grains to sportsman's gold tip 340 spine at 405 grains but having trouble getting broadheads to tune.
that was an accident while talking to camera, i fixed it
Awesome video. Love Mondays!!!
Was it just me or was the last arrow nocked below the Dloop on that last shot?
Did the dude in the background ever actually shoot or just stare the whole time? I can’t stop watching him lol.
Great content, enjoy watching it on Mondays. That is a Freddie Mercury level Sausage duster you got going on.
I shoot my expensive arrows at indoor and when i haven't streatch out for awhile my cheaper victory vsport come out and it's hard to tell a difference but i do prefer the more expensive arrow, i probably own about 800- 1000 arrows and about 27 bows but trying to stick to the same bow and gear fir consistency
What platform do you edit on Tim ?
Love the get started msg thanks Tim
Yes Part 2 Please ✌🏼😎
are you shooting the ethos with the performance mods or have you switched to the smooth mods?
Your hair looks amazing
I shoot these garbage x3 envy arrows from basspro which happen to be goldtip hunters during the summer and then for deer season I pull out my GT hunter pros, I see next to no difference other than a little drop from the added weight of the lighted nock. I would not hesitate to hunt with the X3 envy arrows and actually have before I got the hunter pros.
What’s Winnie the Pooh staring at? 😂
Had to subscribe! Good stuff! Thx! 😊
What are the butts made of? Looks durable...
Now to do a deateuction video w broadheads
Squaring the arrow is irrelevant. The arrow is only as square as the insert, if the insert fits tight and is square there you go.
When you had your bowtech could you use the go stix to stand the bow up using the cam as the third point of contact? I have a bowtech and want to use the go stix but dont have a long stabilizer. Thanks.
This sucks. Now I won’t be able to find GoldTip Warriors anywhere!😢
Did you shoot your last arrow in the loop or below it lol
I shot my DCA SD hunter arrows into a brick at 20 yards...zero damage to the arrow!
What’s your distance from the target?
Is your draw length too short? It looks like when you draw you have to pull the bow in closer to get anchored