For those wondering, the specs of the highest of the PRO lineup is: 2TB of ECC RAM 96 Cores / 192 Threads 128 PCIe 5.0 lanes $9,999 Note: No, I'm not going to buy one, I can barely afford rent.
The competition is actually so disappointing rn, im glad AMD is still actually making improvements, although it would be nice to see the prices come down even just a little
Until intel gets something remotely competitive then they can bank the profits. Though the reality is that they probably will make more pro and epyc chips than non pro which bumps the non pro price up.
I'm thoroughly impressed with AMD's threading prowess here, really ripping those threads! Love how they're still pushing the high-end even in this class of CPUs. Besides, as you said, time equals money, so those extra threads could be a lifesaver. And being an AMD fan, these prices still feel like a justifiable investment. Can't wait to see how the landscape changes when Intel brings their mojo back.
When i knew nothing about computers 7 years ago, your videos were enjoying. Then i got my degree in IT, and you videos were still enjoying. Im currently in my second year of computer science and quess what. I still find your videos wildly enjoying! Achieving such depth, while still keeping the consepts easy to understand, is crazy. Great work!
His probably going to say is not going to use it, then one year later we learn in wan-show that he's been using it for 6 month just because "no one was using it". Yeah sure linus, your editing team "couldn't" use it right.
Meanwhile I love what Apple's smaller core-count baseline M chips can do in web dev... In web dev we actually mostly want super fast single-core performance due to everything being largely single-threaded. But in everything else? Yes. Threadrippers kick ass.
@@shapelessed I’m actually a huge M-series Mac fan myself! I mean, if you’re like me and you got the full M3 Max the minute it was available, then you have almost desktop i9 performance in your lap right now. The thing is insane. Threadripper level? Not quite, but 16 cores up to 4.1 GHz with VERY wide decode per clock cycle? It punches well above its weight to say the least.
@@shapelessed what's the deal with web? Application running on web tech typically should be built so that average consumer pc user can run it with no issues. And then if you need anything more heavy multithreading is possible on web though not as efficient due to costly cross-thread communication in javascript.
It's insane that AMD is actually bigger (money wise at the current moment) than Intel is. Lisa Su has to be one of the most successful CEO's in modern history.
Intel has a lot of business outside of CPUs, and still owns massive market shares there anyway. AMD is financially much smaller than both competitions Intel & Nvidia, something that makes wins against them impressive.
As an AI developer, and sometimes training can take days or even weeks, something powerful like this would be amazing. Not all AI is trainable on gpus.
That's the first thing that came to my mind... Even if you're training on GPU's, the CPU still needs to do a significant amount of work. Especially if you have say... A server full of GPU's all running different scenarios at the same time.
@@pietheijn-vo1gt There are definitely some types of models (like RNNs) that don't parallelize well because they have sequential dependencies. There's probably also some other corner cases for higher precision or other constraints, but regardless having a beefy system can be a benefit even if GPU training because the bar for data processing and task management can be pretty high, especially as models grow bigger (not to mention that CPU offloading is becoming more and more common and in those cases, more memory bandwidth/faster CPUs absolutely crushes).
@@pietheijn-vo1gt They didn't say they couldn't, and from a quick google search it seems anything less dense than large language models can be used with a CPU instead, to not much issue
@@pietheijn-vo1gtReinforcement learning for example, since these types of models rely on a trainable decision tree rather than a neural network or in some more elaborate versions like Qlerning are combining such a tree with a neural network. And updating that tree and the interaction of the agent with the environment is mostly a CPU task.
@@Chipsaru Maybe if your developer is using the computer to watch RUclips ok, but saving several minutes per short render adds up very quickly. Obviously nobody's going to pay 5k for a CPU on a computer that does spreadsheets all day long.
@@eugenes9751 developers don't do rendering, we are talking code compilation, AI training, db queries, running VMs or containers, etc. This CPU will be faster in some scenarios, but not that much. If my project compiles in 5 minutes now, it will compile in 4-4.5 minutes with this CPU because bottleneck is somewhere else.
In relation to AVX-512, yes not a lot of programs explicitly use it, however the runtimes they are build on do, so things such as searching datasets, computing physics for games etc, will run faster out of the box with AVX-512. An example of this is the AVX-512 support added to .NET 8, it is integrated into lots of the core libraries.
I got my 2950X with a X399 motherboard for $1k back in the day. I might consider upping that to even $2k for an upgrade as Threadrippers are pretty awesome for my needs (tons of virtualization) but even the cheapest option w/ a motherboard is now going over $3k5 and I just can't justify it... I guess the Threadripper line is a dead-end for me, it was awesome while it lasted (before the previous generation), although I won't be changing mine anytime soon-it still does the job adequately.
I agree, i am using a 1920X for my server at home and need an upgrade. But even if there was a 12-Core Threadripper, paying more than 1000 for just a motherboard is just too much... There is nothing new on the market with 12-16 cores, lots of lanes and higher clockspeeds than 3.3Ghz
THERE IS COMPETITION FROM INTEL - The Xeon W-2400 lineup! So many reviews and no one even tried to compare to intel's actual fresh HEDT - W790 platform. What kind of review incompetence is this? Yes, Intel would loose, but so what, this means we can just ignore it and compare to desktop CPUs? And LTT made a video about W790 Xeon W and when fresh TR comes out you just ignore them? Mindblowing.
Don't think you can compare just the amount of cores tho. For example an 1 efficiency core on an intel 14900k is much stronger than 1 AMD core on the threadripper 7000. Not even speaking about the performance cores. Just the raw clock power of 6ghz vs 5.1ghz and ofc the TDP of intel being much more efficient and "easier""to cool.
@@Zarod89 what? if you said a intel performance core was faster than a zen4 core, then sure enough. but an efficiency core? intel THEMSELVES have said that these are about the performance of a skylake core, and you know what AMD's equivalent to skylake was? zen2.
The lower temps from the 7980x is actually due to the much lower power per core. The cores are operating far more efficiently from less leakage. I’d say 90% of the lower temps are due to this and surface area is only 10%.
When it comes to AVX-512 you also need to mention if the chip clocks down like the Intel side of things. Intel hobbles their chips when using AVX-512 due to how much power it takes so the slow the whole chip down to a lesser clock speed in order to not blow their entire power budget (and also create a melted pile of CPU under your already toasty cooler.)
Not an issue with Zen 4. There are no AVX-512 offsets, and the dynamic clocks don't drop any lower under full load with AVX-512 than they do with any other kind of load.
@@Dygear But it's not a highlight. It's just a lack of bizarre behavior found on older Intel chips running AVX-512. A video about those chips is the proper place to discuss a loss of clock speed in that scenario.
I picked up the TR PRO 7965WX with an AsRock WRX90 WS EVO motherboard purely for the PCIe lanes and tons of available slots. I use it for video editing, AI work and software development. I'd been running a TR 2950X previously. What a massive difference in performance. lol
Id love to know how these chips compare under different use cases, compiling, running VMs (EVC vs no EVC) , databases, big data map reduce stuff, ai, etc... synthetic tests, blender and video work only tell a small section of the story.
Unfortunately, that's very unlikely to happen. There are 12-core and 16-core TR Pro parts, but the former is just $100 cheaper than the 7960X, and the latter is $400 more expensive. Given the increased cost that a WRX90 motherboard will likely have, the 7960X is still safely the price entry point to getting a modern processor capable of using expansion cards. So with the $600 ASRock TRX50 board, $1500 for the 24-core Zen 4 TR chip, and $1200 for the 128GB DDR5-6400 kit, you're looking at $3300 for an upgrade, if you have all the other bits already (case, PSU, cooler, etc.).
I'm an IT Admin for infrastructure, this channel was one of the big reasons I wanted to do it for a living and this line of Chips, threadripper starting at ryzen gen 1 is possibly the single most important piece of hardware for this journey. I LOVE the idea of this super overkill option for consumers. If I had the money, I would run this in any and all of my computers I and my fam use privately, not because they're better for the applications or something but simply because they're so cool. I don't quite know what it is but these chips are the only ones that excite me quite this much on release. No other piece of hardware has ever excited me as much It's not that I'm an amd fanboy, I recommend Intel chips to a lot of people when asked because for most people they're just better, they're just the only ones doing hedt and since they've had ryzen and that naming scheme for these they've just been dominating
Not really. The x399 boards were great but after that they really went downhill. There's a reason that trx40 boards are barely even selling at $100 on eBay, and X99 boards are still selling for more than that lmao.
I think these have their place for one big reason, they have as many cores as Epyc, but they're clocked much higher, so you get the best of both worlds.
Im so happy Threadripper is back. I was so angry when I invested in the line and they pretty much pulled out less then a year later. It'd have been hard to move onto another processor after this.
Could you start including compile benchmarks in your Productivity tests. These are relevant not only for devs but also many engineers, so seeing how a cpu like that performs would be nice.
Don't care about the core count. It's the I/O that matters. If you need expansion cards, you simply cannot use the toy computer platforms, because there's nowhere to plug them in. That's why it's still frustrating that AMD didn't release 12-core and 16-core parts on the HEDT platform, with comparably lower prices.
@@SethTaylor1 My own personal mix of expansion cards: Graphics card - 16 lanes RAID controller - 8 lanes 10G NIC - 8 lanes Sound card - 1 lane It's simply not possible for me to build a computer using a toy platform. What about onboard sound, you might ask? It sucks. What about boards with 10G onboard? It's RJ45, not SFP+. I'm not even talking about any special industry parts. Just normal things that any advanced PC user might have.
@@TrueThannyalso I think 40gbe fiber takes 16x, and if you wanted to even just use *single* GPU + 4xM.2 carrier card + 10gig NIC that’s also more than consumer platform supports.
you'd be seeing mostly prosumers running some AI tasks, rendering, computationally expensive algorithms, virtualization, or maybe also needing the pcie lanes for multi-gpu (rendering/AI), or storage and probably a ton of more pro workloads, the GN video seems to have some interesting benchmakrs surrounding that
@lucasrem maybe try to explain that more clearly. Your comment is a bit of a brain vomit. Are you saying the AMD chips will perform worse than the Intel chips in Autodesk applications? And are you saying AMD CPUs are not supported by all software in general?
@jockey12022011 yeah, it seems to me like he's suggesting that AMD CPUs and GPUs are not supported by some software, so you should just stick to Intel and Nvidia. Yeah kind of a fanboy take when you don't support that stance with any proof, especially after seeing how Autodesk itself claims to be "hardware agnostic", it is written right on the main page lol. By the way, intel produces x86 CPUs just like AMD does, they don't have any kind of proprietary technology that would make them the "only supported" way to do something, in contrast to AMD. The only relevant "CPU proprietary stuff" I can think of is virtualization support, where both AMD and Intel offer equivalent tech. Talking about GPU stuff is a different matter, and there I can see how some of the proprietary technologies that Nvidia offers could lead someone to prefer them over AMD or Intel offerings just purely based on the brand and the associated features. But then again, for most of the stuff, the subject is more about compute and less about specific technologies: audio and video editing, professional movie or music making, 3d modelling, simulation environments, you name it, they all pretty much don't care about the hardware that you're using as long as it's offering similar features, which AMD does, so why would you argue that you just can't do shit on AMD because "they are not supported" when the reality is that you clearly can, and actually, sometimes, it is even the better option?
I'm a gamer, but videos like this remind me just how small a part of computing gaming actually is. This is just mind blowing computing power...and this is only at the HEDT level
I wonder how big of a change this cou could bring to a big vfx studio. I always wonder how and when do they justify updating their hardware. That would be an interesting video if you ever have a chance yourself or team members to touch on
I'm a vfx artist myself, and I can certainly see the appeal, but it's not like a studio will equip all their artists with these chips, a 7950x is just infinitely more economical. HOWEVER If you're a houdini artist that handles a lot of very large simulations, I guarantee that your studio will do everything that they can to set you up with one of these chips, because the additional RAM capacity is a huge thing when you need to run incredibly large fluid sims. I'm sitting at a comfortable 128GB of RAM rn, and it's certainly got it's limits. Also if they have a dedicated CPU render farm, these will probably be eaten up for that, although more and more are using GPU render farms, and for most shots, a 6000 ADA will perform great, provided they're using a GPU render engine like octane.
I just finished calibrating my new 1440p display to the video and oh my god, i never knew I would ever have a canadian jumpscare before. Windows' regular hdr mode turns linus into a ghost, but calibration fixed that luckily. Thank you for your services everyone at LTT
I think some LocalLLM benchmarks would br nice to see in general and would be an arena where a product like this could have some interesting utility (even if its still not practical for those applications).
No it isn't. First of all there's no such thing as an "enterprise/business chip", which is a buzzword with no definition. This just sounds like mental gymnastics because you can't afford one and only have a low end desktop processor with 16 PCIe lanes. People who aren't satisfied with toys will go Threadripper.
Some feedback: when highlighting the two CPUs in thermals charts the yellow highlight changes the colour so it does no longer match the chart colour. 7:46
the rub is going to be that youtube benchmarks will not include threadrippers in the normal benchmarks and the consumer version will go away again because there is no one associating these CPUs to the every day user but 4090s are somehow ok 😖
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182average consumers cant afford to pay the license x core of that machines. Average users are not the ones who change the world.
Definitely planning a Threadripper 7000 system for the future, just need to find a motherboard and a nice case that can support multiple 1200W PSU so I can throw in 3 or 4 5090 GPUs since it will all be for high detail 3D modeling and rendering.
My problem with these high-end multi-core CPUs is that most software and applications do not utilize the entire silicon real estate, especially at the consumer level. This is an overkill for us average Joe even if you need an amazing PC.
@@stuffstoconsider3516 It's completely fine with me, I am ok with forcibly committing cores to specific applications so they don't overlap, more cores means more apps without overlap.
@@stuffstoconsider3516 Most of the technology and innovations in these absurdly high-end monstrously powerful CPUs will eventually trickle down into the consumer end hardware. Which is genuinely a nice thing with EPYC giving us a bit to look forward to in terms of hardware innovations.
Yup, kinda dumb. But there are indeed tasks in which the threadripper delivers about 4 times the results for about the same power consumption, which for professional use can be quite impactful. (Obviously it can have a lot higher power consumption but I am referring to "Some" uses)
Difference is you can support much more RAM and it’s got an entirely different use case. Waayyyyy more PCIE lanes too for expansion cards and faster storage. There’s a reason this exists. And it’s not to game or video edit on.
@@abdou.the.hereticit’s prosumer. Not epyc levels of versatility when it comes to running them in servers, but it has way more PCIE lanes than anything from intels HEDT and it also has support for a lot more RAM.
The games are not coded for this amount of cores but! What if you install a Windows VM, and run the games in the VM. This way, you would be able to define which cores can the VM use... It's at least an idea to try....
Genuine question out of ignorance. Why does everyone avoid comparing HEDT to Xeon w if the price and performance are comparable. Would they not both be options someone looking for a $5000 threadripper may consider?
I would suspect that Xeon motherboards for workstation are kinda rare and not obtainable in retail. In that case they need to be compared with Threadripper Pro.
Agree, major oversight. The Xeon W5-2465X and it's siblings are the real competitor to this line up, and would be nice to see how it performs head to head with Threadripper 7000 series.
Threadripper 7000 is an absolute MONSTER(and that's even with the 7980X being heavily memory bandwidth bottlenecked). Makes low end desktop processors look like toys.
For video encoding I'm surprised you didn't mention the obvious, you can run multiple encodes at once, some tools even allow you to use the scene detection to split the file up and encode each scene in parallel
@TeamLinus - Providing a little extra context would be awesome in your high-end hardware videos. I'm still all the way back here on a 5800h / 3070 laptop, get 13k or so in R23. I'd love to see a side by side live demo of these new balls-to-the-wall consumer options versus what the average person actually has.
Linus, please do 3 levels of budget builds with these new Threadrippers when they are in normal rotation next year. I need suggestions and inspiration! I would love to see builds for people looking to render CG shots. Im not really gonna game on this, but I don't mind seeing those performance numbers, but mainly care about various types of render times for various types of artists.
@@MrA6060 This type of PC is for work for me. So I get to go a little all out for it since it's how I make my income for the next few years. If the render times are worth it, these prices can be justified :p
I'm looking forward to these coming down in price to reasonable levels in 5 years or so. I'm really looking forward to get my hands on 64 overclockable cores. This might actually break the 1kW mark as a daily driver
This seems like a really good cpu for CFD simulations, high core count and high frequency has me just dying to get my hands on one some day. Recently bought an old xeon server for simulations and its awesome, but it doesnt hold a candle to this. I look forward to possibly getting one in 10 years 🤣
hey guys in the thermals comparision with lower end cpus you highlighted the new threadrippers with a yellow filter which turned their colors into ones identical to the other cpus you compared to
For some reason this makes me think about how many of us have multiple computers but our systems don’t yet have the ability to share big workloads with those machines at a low level. It’s up to application developers to implement that if they want it. So much time and energy might be saved -and useful hardware life extended- if Apple, Microsoft, and Linux devs work on making this a standard component in their OS frameworks.
If we’re going with “LEDT”…. All I need is for LEDT to throw a few more PCIe lanes our way to fill that gap. Not being able to move my m.2 card into AM5 has me stuck on TRX40…
I am happy about the new Threadrippers. I don't really need the cores, but I really need those PCI-e lanes. I was hoping Xeon W5 had been more of a deal, had my eyes on the W5-2465X. But after those were kind of a paperlaunch, I guess I will pick up a used 7960X bundle in like 18 month.
Ngl I kinda wish that normal TR 7000 supported uDIMM, and rDIMM was for the Pro lineup. I know this is 100% a dumb wish, but I use TR 3000 for my main desktop and I liked that it was this insanely powerful system, but can still look like a high end gaming desktop. With rDIMM (and the new motherboards for 7000) are very clearly workstations, and nothing else
At 7:44 it looks like 2 of the colours on the graphs is missing in the legend? 7980X and 7950X have the same colour So do 7970 and 14900K I'm not totally sure. It might be possible that the yellow highlight might be changing the colour
7:07 (and after) so what you're telling me is you can't throw enough cooling at this? The more cooling you throw at it the harder it goes? Okay we need to explore this limit. Let's get your janky chiller out and... @GamersNexus LN2 cooling?
Saw what Der8auer did with it with LN2 - 6Ghz, 96cores/192threads, 200k CB R23, 1600W. It is absolutely insane xD At this point want a system on new TR just because how insane it is
I love watching videos on products I can't afford
sameeee
RHIGT ME TO LOL
My favourite passtime
the same thing my nephew tells me whenever he finds me watching pc builds
Its the best
For those wondering, the specs of the highest of the PRO lineup is:
2TB of ECC RAM
96 Cores / 192 Threads
128 PCIe 5.0 lanes
$9,999
Note: No, I'm not going to buy one, I can barely afford rent.
bruh
Those are intended for server use, right?
So the specs of my body after that purchase will be:
1 kidney
1 lung
1 arm
1 leg
1 heart
1 brain
My poweredge r620 tops out at 768gb ram 2tb is like X_x and the cores i wouldnt say no to seeig task manager....adjust to the cores graph 😂
@moondust6034 no, high end workstations. Epyc is the server range.
I honestly expected my 7950X to last longer before being referred to as low end....
Hah! Peasant!
*He says whilst sitting computerless*
@@ailestriker9888 Apparently we're almost in the same boat then, but I guess a low end pc is slightly better than no pc technically...
Me slowly petting my Ryzen 5 3600 :
"There there buddy.. You're high end to me"
@@i_like_Peanuts
Gently pats my i7 4790K
"Please dont off yourself because I watched this video"
@@leadwolf32pats my i910900kf
The competition is actually so disappointing rn, im glad AMD is still actually making improvements, although it would be nice to see the prices come down even just a little
To be fair they themselves killed threadripper
The prices are coming down
Until intel gets something remotely competitive then they can bank the profits. Though the reality is that they probably will make more pro and epyc chips than non pro which bumps the non pro price up.
@@bionicgeekgrrlits how the market works, what do you expect, even Nvidia is doing it because they know there is no competition
@@bionicgeekgrrl the only reason why intel is competitive at all is because they are trusted by the people who do not care to use the brain tbh
These graphs are a lot easier to understand at a glance than the old ones. Good improvement!
Except for the thermal draw graphs, where the highlighted box over the 7980X and 7970X in the legend changes the color of their labels!
@@totallynotmyeggalt6216the thermal graph not being super readable doesn't bother me too much because the average person really doesn't care.
I'm thoroughly impressed with AMD's threading prowess here, really ripping those threads! Love how they're still pushing the high-end even in this class of CPUs. Besides, as you said, time equals money, so those extra threads could be a lifesaver. And being an AMD fan, these prices still feel like a justifiable investment. Can't wait to see how the landscape changes when Intel brings their mojo back.
When i knew nothing about computers 7 years ago, your videos were enjoying. Then i got my degree in IT, and you videos were still enjoying. Im currently in my second year of computer science and quess what. I still find your videos wildly enjoying! Achieving such depth, while still keeping the consepts easy to understand, is crazy. Great work!
FYI it's 'enjoyable'.
Can't wait for another Linus' personal rig upgrade, back to HEDT
His probably going to say is not going to use it, then one year later we learn in wan-show that he's been using it for 6 month just because "no one was using it". Yeah sure linus, your editing team "couldn't" use it right.
Nice Profile pic
@@korosaki13lmao my guy you're getting mad at him for an imaginary scenario you made in your mind
@@FinneasJedidiah Seriously, dude needs to touch grass.
@@korosaki13they can't... Their boards aren't compatible....
I love watching huge amounts of cores crush tough projects 😁
Meanwhile I love what Apple's smaller core-count baseline M chips can do in web dev...
In web dev we actually mostly want super fast single-core performance due to everything being largely single-threaded.
But in everything else? Yes. Threadrippers kick ass.
@@shapelessed I’m actually a huge M-series Mac fan myself!
I mean, if you’re like me and you got the full M3 Max the minute it was available, then you have almost desktop i9 performance in your lap right now. The thing is insane. Threadripper level? Not quite, but 16 cores up to 4.1 GHz with VERY wide decode per clock cycle? It punches well above its weight to say the least.
@@shapelessed what's the deal with web? Application running on web tech typically should be built so that average consumer pc user can run it with no issues. And then if you need anything more heavy multithreading is possible on web though not as efficient due to costly cross-thread communication in javascript.
A giant, expensive processor that sucks for gaming...yaaaa.
@@Epicgamer_Maclol NO its not near i9 😂
It's insane that AMD is actually bigger (money wise at the current moment) than Intel is. Lisa Su has to be one of the most successful CEO's in modern history.
helps when your executive is actually an engineer and not just a business person
Fr! The entire handheld gaming pc market, that is booming, only exists because of Ryzen APU's!
"money wise" being? I love AMD, don't get me wrong, but I cannot see how AMD is in any financial metric stronger than Intel right now.
Found the team red fanboy
Intel has a lot of business outside of CPUs, and still owns massive market shares there anyway. AMD is financially much smaller than both competitions Intel & Nvidia, something that makes wins against them impressive.
As an AI developer, and sometimes training can take days or even weeks, something powerful like this would be amazing. Not all AI is trainable on gpus.
Which type of AI can't be trained on GPUs?
That's the first thing that came to my mind... Even if you're training on GPU's, the CPU still needs to do a significant amount of work. Especially if you have say... A server full of GPU's all running different scenarios at the same time.
@@pietheijn-vo1gt There are definitely some types of models (like RNNs) that don't parallelize well because they have sequential dependencies. There's probably also some other corner cases for higher precision or other constraints, but regardless having a beefy system can be a benefit even if GPU training because the bar for data processing and task management can be pretty high, especially as models grow bigger (not to mention that CPU offloading is becoming more and more common and in those cases, more memory bandwidth/faster CPUs absolutely crushes).
@@pietheijn-vo1gt They didn't say they couldn't, and from a quick google search it seems anything less dense than large language models can be used with a CPU instead, to not much issue
@@pietheijn-vo1gtReinforcement learning for example, since these types of models rely on a trainable decision tree rather than a neural network or in some more elaborate versions like Qlerning are combining such a tree with a neural network. And updating that tree and the interaction of the agent with the environment is mostly a CPU task.
A $5000 CPU only costs about 80hrs of developer time savings, so it's surprisingly quick to ROI.
in comparison to some high end consumer cpus developer would "save" 1h / month at most upgrading to this, so ~7 years ROI is way too much.
@@Chipsaru Maybe if your developer is using the computer to watch RUclips ok, but saving several minutes per short render adds up very quickly. Obviously nobody's going to pay 5k for a CPU on a computer that does spreadsheets all day long.
@@eugenes9751 developers don't do rendering, we are talking code compilation, AI training, db queries, running VMs
or containers, etc. This CPU will be faster in some scenarios, but not that much. If my project compiles in 5 minutes now, it will compile in 4-4.5 minutes with this CPU because bottleneck is somewhere else.
If you are building large C++ code bases, a Thread Ripper will pay for itself very quickly.
Can't wait for Linus to invest into the new Threadripper platform for the office. Only for it to be discontinued a year later.
If they're going to upgrade their workstations, this is really their only option right now, unless they go with the professional thread ripper
@@the_undead If they do. They made the decision to go to LGA 1700.
In relation to AVX-512, yes not a lot of programs explicitly use it, however the runtimes they are build on do, so things such as searching datasets, computing physics for games etc, will run faster out of the box with AVX-512. An example of this is the AVX-512 support added to .NET 8, it is integrated into lots of the core libraries.
Can't wait to see the userbenchmark review of this.
"eye-watering $5000"
Tim Apple: ...and it comes in black.
I got my 2950X with a X399 motherboard for $1k back in the day. I might consider upping that to even $2k for an upgrade as Threadrippers are pretty awesome for my needs (tons of virtualization) but even the cheapest option w/ a motherboard is now going over $3k5 and I just can't justify it... I guess the Threadripper line is a dead-end for me, it was awesome while it lasted (before the previous generation), although I won't be changing mine anytime soon-it still does the job adequately.
I agree, i am using a 1920X for my server at home and need an upgrade. But even if there was a 12-Core Threadripper, paying more than 1000 for just a motherboard is just too much...
There is nothing new on the market with 12-16 cores, lots of lanes and higher clockspeeds than 3.3Ghz
@@maximkovac2000Pro series starts at 12 cores (7945WX), but pricing is yikes
Spend the money
@@maximkovac2000spend the money you be happy you did
@@chriswright8074consoomer mindset
THERE IS COMPETITION FROM INTEL - The Xeon W-2400 lineup! So many reviews and no one even tried to compare to intel's actual fresh HEDT - W790 platform. What kind of review incompetence is this? Yes, Intel would loose, but so what, this means we can just ignore it and compare to desktop CPUs? And LTT made a video about W790 Xeon W and when fresh TR comes out you just ignore them? Mindblowing.
Make a thread about it on their forum much more likely to get more traction
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AMD's 64 cores consume just as much power as Intel's 8 (+16 "efficiency") cores. Damn.
Don't think you can compare just the amount of cores tho. For example an 1 efficiency core on an intel 14900k is much stronger than 1 AMD core on the threadripper 7000. Not even speaking about the performance cores. Just the raw clock power of 6ghz vs 5.1ghz and ofc the TDP of intel being much more efficient and "easier""to cool.
@@Zarod89 You seem to confuse a lot.
''intel being much more efficient''you have no clue buddy @@Zarod89
@@Zarod89 what? if you said a intel performance core was faster than a zen4 core, then sure enough. but an efficiency core? intel THEMSELVES have said that these are about the performance of a skylake core, and you know what AMD's equivalent to skylake was? zen2.
The lower temps from the 7980x is actually due to the much lower power per core. The cores are operating far more efficiently from less leakage. I’d say 90% of the lower temps are due to this and surface area is only 10%.
I love my 3970x! Nice to see AMD back with more god chips.
Stop flexing on us poor peasants
@ stop flexing with beaing a poor peasant.
I love my 9970x too from AMD and my RTX 8090ti which has over 46gb of vram.
@@skyecloud968 Only 46gb of VRAM? Posh! I expected at least 10 48 GB quadros from you.
@ Lmao, not flexing. I use it for my business and its been a good product to me.
Day is always better when an LTT video comes out!
When it comes to AVX-512 you also need to mention if the chip clocks down like the Intel side of things. Intel hobbles their chips when using AVX-512 due to how much power it takes so the slow the whole chip down to a lesser clock speed in order to not blow their entire power budget (and also create a melted pile of CPU under your already toasty cooler.)
Not an issue with Zen 4. There are no AVX-512 offsets, and the dynamic clocks don't drop any lower under full load with AVX-512 than they do with any other kind of load.
@@TrueThanny yes but it should be in the video as a highlight of the AMD chip.
@@DygearBut the chips don't clock down?
@@Dygear But it's not a highlight. It's just a lack of bizarre behavior found on older Intel chips running AVX-512. A video about those chips is the proper place to discuss a loss of clock speed in that scenario.
@@TrueThanny considering that was an expected behavior for the intel chips the AMD chips not having that behavior is a highlight.
I picked up the TR PRO 7965WX with an AsRock WRX90 WS EVO motherboard purely for the PCIe lanes and tons of available slots. I use it for video editing, AI work and software development. I'd been running a TR 2950X previously. What a massive difference in performance. lol
7000 AMD Threadripper comes out :
Vegeta : Are you ready now? To witness a power not seen for thousands of years!?
Id love to know how these chips compare under different use cases, compiling, running VMs (EVC vs no EVC) , databases, big data map reduce stuff, ai, etc... synthetic tests, blender and video work only tell a small section of the story.
Phoronix has a more versatile test coverage up, just FYI.
Hope to see a new 16 core threadripper that might be a bit more economical. Could really use the PCIe lanes in my server.
Unfortunately, that's very unlikely to happen.
There are 12-core and 16-core TR Pro parts, but the former is just $100 cheaper than the 7960X, and the latter is $400 more expensive.
Given the increased cost that a WRX90 motherboard will likely have, the 7960X is still safely the price entry point to getting a modern processor capable of using expansion cards.
So with the $600 ASRock TRX50 board, $1500 for the 24-core Zen 4 TR chip, and $1200 for the 128GB DDR5-6400 kit, you're looking at $3300 for an upgrade, if you have all the other bits already (case, PSU, cooler, etc.).
I'm an IT Admin for infrastructure, this channel was one of the big reasons I wanted to do it for a living and this line of Chips, threadripper starting at ryzen gen 1 is possibly the single most important piece of hardware for this journey. I LOVE the idea of this super overkill option for consumers. If I had the money, I would run this in any and all of my computers I and my fam use privately, not because they're better for the applications or something but simply because they're so cool. I don't quite know what it is but these chips are the only ones that excite me quite this much on release. No other piece of hardware has ever excited me as much
It's not that I'm an amd fanboy, I recommend Intel chips to a lot of people when asked because for most people they're just better, they're just the only ones doing hedt and since they've had ryzen and that naming scheme for these they've just been dominating
well a 13th i5 will outperform the treadripper for gaming, most applications people use. So yea a waste of money. lol
@@gregcrouse8833 I don't disagree with this, I understand that it's entirely a waste for a lot of people, it's still cool as f
Not that it's the most important thing, but the mobo design for threadripper has always been 🔥🔥🔥
I agree, but they were also all overpriced. And with the last gen they dead-ended the chipset and socket after zero upgrades. Fool me once...
Not really. The x399 boards were great but after that they really went downhill. There's a reason that trx40 boards are barely even selling at $100 on eBay, and X99 boards are still selling for more than that lmao.
I think these have their place for one big reason, they have as many cores as Epyc, but they're clocked much higher, so you get the best of both worlds.
Im so happy Threadripper is back. I was so angry when I invested in the line and they pretty much pulled out less then a year later. It'd have been hard to move onto another processor after this.
What do you use yours for?
@@FleaOnMyWiener Houdini Renders
Could you start including compile benchmarks in your Productivity tests. These are relevant not only for devs but also many engineers, so seeing how a cpu like that performs would be nice.
Don't care about the core count. It's the I/O that matters. If you need expansion cards, you simply cannot use the toy computer platforms, because there's nowhere to plug them in.
That's why it's still frustrating that AMD didn't release 12-core and 16-core parts on the HEDT platform, with comparably lower prices.
what industry / io are you specifically referring to?
@@SethTaylor1 My own personal mix of expansion cards:
Graphics card - 16 lanes
RAID controller - 8 lanes
10G NIC - 8 lanes
Sound card - 1 lane
It's simply not possible for me to build a computer using a toy platform. What about onboard sound, you might ask? It sucks. What about boards with 10G onboard? It's RJ45, not SFP+.
I'm not even talking about any special industry parts. Just normal things that any advanced PC user might have.
@@TrueThannyalso I think 40gbe fiber takes 16x, and if you wanted to even just use *single* GPU + 4xM.2 carrier card + 10gig NIC that’s also more than consumer platform supports.
can you do some interviews with customers of these higher end products to see what they're actually used for?
you'd be seeing mostly prosumers running some AI tasks, rendering, computationally expensive algorithms, virtualization, or maybe also needing the pcie lanes for multi-gpu (rendering/AI), or storage and probably a ton of more pro workloads, the GN video seems to have some interesting benchmakrs surrounding that
I know that Threadripper was used in rendering Terminator movie effects.
@lucasrem maybe try to explain that more clearly. Your comment is a bit of a brain vomit. Are you saying the AMD chips will perform worse than the Intel chips in Autodesk applications?
And are you saying AMD CPUs are not supported by all software in general?
@jockey12022011 yeah, it seems to me like he's suggesting that AMD CPUs and GPUs are not supported by some software, so you should just stick to Intel and Nvidia.
Yeah kind of a fanboy take when you don't support that stance with any proof, especially after seeing how Autodesk itself claims to be "hardware agnostic", it is written right on the main page lol.
By the way, intel produces x86 CPUs just like AMD does, they don't have any kind of proprietary technology that would make them the "only supported" way to do something, in contrast to AMD.
The only relevant "CPU proprietary stuff" I can think of is virtualization support, where both AMD and Intel offer equivalent tech.
Talking about GPU stuff is a different matter, and there I can see how some of the proprietary technologies that Nvidia offers could lead someone to prefer them over AMD or Intel offerings just purely based on the brand and the associated features.
But then again, for most of the stuff, the subject is more about compute and less about specific technologies: audio and video editing, professional movie or music making, 3d modelling, simulation environments, you name it, they all pretty much don't care about the hardware that you're using as long as it's offering similar features, which AMD does, so why would you argue that you just can't do shit on AMD because "they are not supported" when the reality is that you clearly can, and actually, sometimes, it is even the better option?
Can you test this by playing on a 300K plus population Cities Skylines 2 save?
Need to know if this is a decent upgrade to play CS2.
Thanks.
I'm a gamer, but videos like this remind me just how small a part of computing gaming actually is. This is just mind blowing computing power...and this is only at the HEDT level
Right after compensator 4, now that has to be redone.
the 7995WX is nuts, there are already some videos out about it, and some overclocker managed to Pull 1600W on it.
I wonder how big of a change this cou could bring to a big vfx studio. I always wonder how and when do they justify updating their hardware.
That would be an interesting video if you ever have a chance yourself or team members to touch on
I'm a vfx artist myself, and I can certainly see the appeal, but it's not like a studio will equip all their artists with these chips, a 7950x is just infinitely more economical.
HOWEVER
If you're a houdini artist that handles a lot of very large simulations, I guarantee that your studio will do everything that they can to set you up with one of these chips, because the additional RAM capacity is a huge thing when you need to run incredibly large fluid sims. I'm sitting at a comfortable 128GB of RAM rn, and it's certainly got it's limits.
Also if they have a dedicated CPU render farm, these will probably be eaten up for that, although more and more are using GPU render farms, and for most shots, a 6000 ADA will perform great, provided they're using a GPU render engine like octane.
I just finished calibrating my new 1440p display to the video and oh my god, i never knew I would ever have a canadian jumpscare before. Windows' regular hdr mode turns linus into a ghost, but calibration fixed that luckily. Thank you for your services everyone at LTT
I think some LocalLLM benchmarks would br nice to see in general and would be an arena where a product like this could have some interesting utility (even if its still not practical for those applications).
It’s 20% faster in Linux. It was a mistake to use windows in the video.
Let's be honest, this isn't really a desktop cpu, more of a low end enterprise/business chip.
*Low End Enterprise Threadripper*
LEET for short
No it isn't. First of all there's no such thing as an "enterprise/business chip", which is a buzzword with no definition. This just sounds like mental gymnastics because you can't afford one and only have a low end desktop processor with 16 PCIe lanes. People who aren't satisfied with toys will go Threadripper.
@chiefjudge8456 the mental gymnastics to convince me to spend 5 grand on a cpu for my personal desktop doesn't exist in any conceivable reality.
@@chiefjudge8456 lol mental gymnastics?
Missed the whole LEET joke part aye?
10:24 is that a slim shady remix in the background what the duck
Rip and tear until it's done I guess.
Also, HOLY SHIT the 7980X alone costs as much as my car, even before factoring motherboard prices.
Just wait for like 5 years and get it for nothing lol
This is a greeat example of your new release when ready approach - you didnt rush to do a day one and the released video is full of info - great
Nice vid Linus! It’s funny to see you test things that are twice my computer’s price.😂😂
Some feedback: when highlighting the two CPUs in thermals charts the yellow highlight changes the colour so it does no longer match the chart colour. 7:46
the rub is going to be that youtube benchmarks will not include threadrippers in the normal benchmarks and the consumer version will go away again because there is no one associating these CPUs to the every day user but 4090s are somehow ok 😖
They will and they won't. Not everyone is satisfied with low end desktop chips.
RTX 4090 isn't what any average consumers need smh.. that's all just overhype from Gamers.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182average consumers cant afford to pay the license x core of that machines.
Average users are not the ones who change the world.
I would love to see some C++ compilation speed, mist be a beast.
Definitely planning a Threadripper 7000 system for the future, just need to find a motherboard and a nice case that can support multiple 1200W PSU so I can throw in 3 or 4 5090 GPUs since it will all be for high detail 3D modeling and rendering.
My problem with these high-end multi-core CPUs is that most software and applications do not utilize the entire silicon real estate, especially at the consumer level. This is an overkill for us average Joe even if you need an amazing PC.
Dang, that's a lot of computing power :D Its great that such CPU hits desktop market.
@@stuffstoconsider3516that's because this product isn't FOR you, so I don't understand why you have a "problem" with it?
@@stuffstoconsider3516 It's completely fine with me, I am ok with forcibly committing cores to specific applications so they don't overlap, more cores means more apps without overlap.
@@stuffstoconsider3516 Most of the technology and innovations in these absurdly high-end monstrously powerful CPUs will eventually trickle down into the consumer end hardware. Which is genuinely a nice thing with EPYC giving us a bit to look forward to in terms of hardware innovations.
The jethro tull esque back track is killing me haha xD
Twice as fast as the 14900K, 10 times as expensive.
5k for anything consumer grade is theoretical levels of idiocracy
Yup, kinda dumb. But there are indeed tasks in which the threadripper delivers about 4 times the results for about the same power consumption, which for professional use can be quite impactful.
(Obviously it can have a lot higher power consumption but I am referring to "Some" uses)
@@abdou.the.heretic same with 4090
Difference is you can support much more RAM and it’s got an entirely different use case. Waayyyyy more PCIE lanes too for expansion cards and faster storage.
There’s a reason this exists. And it’s not to game or video edit on.
@@abdou.the.hereticit’s prosumer. Not epyc levels of versatility when it comes to running them in servers, but it has way more PCIE lanes than anything from intels HEDT and it also has support for a lot more RAM.
Linus needs a cinebench sponsor. It's all he relies on.
The games are not coded for this amount of cores but! What if you install a Windows VM, and run the games in the VM. This way, you would be able to define which cores can the VM use... It's at least an idea to try....
To explain why this wouldn't help would take too much effort, but it wouldn't.
I am happy they returned, as a dual GPU and double VM running person, these HEDT are just the best thing.
Genuine question out of ignorance. Why does everyone avoid comparing HEDT to Xeon w if the price and performance are comparable. Would they not both be options someone looking for a $5000 threadripper may consider?
I would suspect that Xeon motherboards for workstation are kinda rare and not obtainable in retail. In that case they need to be compared with Threadripper Pro.
Agree, major oversight. The Xeon W5-2465X and it's siblings are the real competitor to this line up, and would be nice to see how it performs head to head with Threadripper 7000 series.
Threadripper 7000 is an absolute MONSTER(and that's even with the 7980X being heavily memory bandwidth bottlenecked). Makes low end desktop processors look like toys.
AMD is back but chip looks HUGE!
For video encoding I'm surprised you didn't mention the obvious, you can run multiple encodes at once, some tools even allow you to use the scene detection to split the file up and encode each scene in parallel
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@TeamLinus - Providing a little extra context would be awesome in your high-end hardware videos. I'm still all the way back here on a 5800h / 3070 laptop, get 13k or so in R23. I'd love to see a side by side live demo of these new balls-to-the-wall consumer options versus what the average person actually has.
Linus, please do 3 levels of budget builds with these new Threadrippers when they are in normal rotation next year. I need suggestions and inspiration! I would love to see builds for people looking to render CG shots. Im not really gonna game on this, but I don't mind seeing those performance numbers, but mainly care about various types of render times for various types of artists.
ah yes the 3 levels of budget being 10k, 20k and 30k
@@MrA6060 This type of PC is for work for me. So I get to go a little all out for it since it's how I make my income for the next few years. If the render times are worth it, these prices can be justified :p
Jay had nice improvements switching to a custom loop!
ahh yes, technology that i cannot afford.
Heck yea I can’t wait for what’s to come
I'm looking forward to these coming down in price to reasonable levels in 5 years or so. I'm really looking forward to get my hands on 64 overclockable cores. This might actually break the 1kW mark as a daily driver
0:22 Half the speed but 5 times less the money Linus.
@@S1nGuLariTY_ you had 5 months to save. Did you buy one yet
@@YakeFakeI have 7900x lel
Wake up Intel!
This seems like a really good cpu for CFD simulations, high core count and high frequency has me just dying to get my hands on one some day. Recently bought an old xeon server for simulations and its awesome, but it doesnt hold a candle to this. I look forward to possibly getting one in 10 years 🤣
This is my daily reminder that Im never going to afford a pc.
linus never fails to spread my cheeks and fill me up with happiness
@@Dessert_And_Tea Oh, happiness. I thought you were talking about something else
NASA scientists are gonna love this!!
Jumped on the video the minute it showed up! Ready for the segwaaay
Now this needs an ITX board!
hey guys in the thermals comparision with lower end cpus you highlighted the new threadrippers with a yellow filter which turned their colors into ones identical to the other cpus you compared to
For some reason this makes me think about how many of us have multiple computers but our systems don’t yet have the ability to share big workloads with those machines at a low level. It’s up to application developers to implement that if they want it. So much time and energy might be saved -and useful hardware life extended- if Apple, Microsoft, and Linux devs work on making this a standard component in their OS frameworks.
If we’re going with “LEDT”…. All I need is for LEDT to throw a few more PCIe lanes our way to fill that gap. Not being able to move my m.2 card into AM5 has me stuck on TRX40…
It's wild that AMD said it will pull 830watts if you can cool it.
We need a dual (or quad) 7990x pro threadripper whatever and some 4090 sli to do a true compensater build
Scotty Kilmer: "The threadripper is back and im mad as hell"
Gotta swap that 94 Celica ECU CPU with threadripper
@@Planeandaquariumgeek "I've seen these things with a million crypto hours on them and they still run like a clock"
@@MasterGoku21 But this traverse is done after just 50,000!
They sure know how to overclock the prices
Best introduction ever Linus. You took it to the next level there, "Makes Intel's fastest consumer chip look like a drugged donkey!" WOW.
It's always the highlight of my day when an LTT video shows up on my notifications!
I am happy about the new Threadrippers. I don't really need the cores, but I really need those PCI-e lanes. I was hoping Xeon W5 had been more of a deal, had my eyes on the W5-2465X. But after those were kind of a paperlaunch, I guess I will pick up a used 7960X bundle in like 18 month.
Add an active heat-pump chiller to your water-cooling setup.
Threadripper is BACK BABY. Merry Christmas to me.
Would love to see you guys to a Xeon Max review.
Not because it makes sense, but I really want to see what that on package HBM does for gaming
hey linux! i love all your content. It would be awesome to see some benchmarks on audio programs like pro tools
The Threadripper PRO 7995WX is already available on SCAN in the UK and it's almost £10K for the CPU alone
Sounds like a placeholder price, that would be more than the Epyc chip?
yeah but scan is a ripoff so not a real comparison
Ngl I kinda wish that normal TR 7000 supported uDIMM, and rDIMM was for the Pro lineup. I know this is 100% a dumb wish, but I use TR 3000 for my main desktop and I liked that it was this insanely powerful system, but can still look like a high end gaming desktop. With rDIMM (and the new motherboards for 7000) are very clearly workstations, and nothing else
MRDT: Mid-range Desktop
Will the real slam shady please stand up! 10:30
At 7:44 it looks like 2 of the colours on the graphs is missing in the legend?
7980X and 7950X have the same colour
So do 7970 and 14900K
I'm not totally sure. It might be possible that the yellow highlight might be changing the colour
I love your new graphs, so much easier to read, probably only reason I even noticed it. Keep up the great work, love your more HEDT and server stuff
7:07 (and after) so what you're telling me is you can't throw enough cooling at this? The more cooling you throw at it the harder it goes? Okay we need to explore this limit. Let's get your janky chiller out and... @GamersNexus LN2 cooling?
Saw what Der8auer did with it with LN2 - 6Ghz, 96cores/192threads, 200k CB R23, 1600W. It is absolutely insane xD
At this point want a system on new TR just because how insane it is
Video quailty has got amazing 👏
Will LTT crew get these for editing videos and stuff? 🙏🏻
Thread ripper is back sick linus is about to get a new pc
Im so excited there bringing threadripper back
I honestly wish I had a job that could actually make use of this insane thing. I just want a reason to need to buy one.