To be more specific about the INS change : WP00 is uneditable and is always the current position (by the INS point of view). When doing the alignment what you are truly doing by pressing VAL is telling the INS "you see this WP20 ? Okay, now it's our current position, align yourself to it". But it's not forced to be WP20 !! It's just that we will never use WP20 so it's convenient. One could use WP01 and do the alignment ... But you would have edited your wp for you flight.
i just bought this, even the damn ingame training mission tells you the wrong way to do this. i was seriously confused. took me a long time to figure out its not me, but they changed the system...
For those wondering how one would setup synthetic runway in the plane without having preconfigured a waypoint in the mission editor : You need to set your ILS frequency to the right one, also having your altimeter to the right pressure is nice because that's what's used for this. Now select a random new waypoint with the "PREP" button on the PCN (PREP=>enter WP number). Let's say you have 3 preconfigured waypoints so we choose arbitrarly WP09 which will be "blank". You then need to set the INS mode to "CP/PD" (cap désiré/pente désirée = desired heading and glideslope I believe) You will then enter "CP" with the "left +" on the PCN numpad. Enter the runway heading. Then "PD" with the "right +" on the PCN numpad. Enter 03.0 (I've read this value on the forum, I don't have more informations) Now select WP09 as your dest. You don't need to tell the ISN the coordinates of the runway, it worked as it for me :)
@@anonymous17367 It's the desired glideslope. The usual glideslope angle used is 3.0° so that's why we use this number. You can try to google "glideslope ILS" or something to have more information
@@CakePrincessCelestia You are not forced to use the WP20, as long as it's not the WP00 it's fine. WP00 is uneditable and is always the current position of the aircraft
I had found to use waypoint 20 for alignment, but found my waypoint headings to be off a bit, I didn't realise you can still set the hundredth and thousandth of a minute so I guess that's been my problem.
(New Callsign) spotted! I just think it's funny how literally most of the DCS community never set up their virtual pilot in the logbook menu :) 4:41 Here's actually the main change. You don't need that waypoint from the ME anymore, it now also works for waypoints set during the mission (haven't tried without any yet)! Instead you just need your ILS frequency set and the runway data entered to the PCN with the knob set to CP/PD (french abbreviation for Runway Heading / Glide Slope). Enter the RWY HDG (get from the map with the ruler, no magnetic correction, just the readout; or take the value from the ILS cones in the ME) to the left box and the glideslope angle to the right one. 6:13 I'll just grab it from the manual: a. The INS is on. b. The airport is the current fly-to waypoint. c. The runway data (heading and glideslope) were entered2. d. Both localizer and glideslope have been captured e. The runway is less than 10 nautical miles away. f. Lateral deviation is less than 7º. 8:06 The thing gets tons of drag at desired AoA, so it's better to keep them in (not sure if this would be the real procedure though) and you almost need somewhere around 50% of throttle lever there. Plus, when you touch down, deploy the air brakes then. Since they're on the wings, they also act as spoilers, so deploying them immediately kills some lift (at least it should), so the thing stays down on the runway nicely. Just as a re-Cap for the AoA, you'd ideally want to see the symbology in a line like this as much as possible: >] -o- [< 8:37 Just stretch your neck some :D - or RShift+RCtrl+NP8.
Thanks for doing updates on the lawn dart Cap, really appreciate it as just started to learn this aircraft after a long DCS hiatus. Keep up the great work mate.
Currently learning the Mirage and the stock training missions are so bad, they hardly even work. Thank you so much for keeping us up to date! Will you re-shoot the different tutorials after such changes? Or is it important to check the whole playlist in a chronological order to get all the changes?
I think it takes the same amount as before (8 minutes), right? I've started the Red Flag campaign after this patch and although the timing is tight, I've got somewhere between 15-60 seconds left each time before my taxi time.
This video is so good. Been able to land the M2000C with no issue on a number of occasions tonight. I'd forgotten about flying the Mirage until recently.
Go for it! It has gotten to be a true masterpiece since Razbam improved / developed this with help from the French Air Force, and they are still going!
@@fastfed It is not useless because even though you cannot BVR with it against the more modern/newer aircrafts you can still use the terrain to hide and once the enemy is within 20nm, you have a fighting chance with 530Ds who can sometimes even reacquire a radar contact temporarily lost, and the Magic IR missile are very good on par with Aim9x and with decent range. You have the speed and agility to do well in combat within 15-20nm into a merge and a rwr that lets u know about incoming fox2s which is valuable. You also have access to GCI to have more SA since you do not have datalink. But yes hopefully Razbam will go ahead with the Mirage -5 and one day we will get the MICA fox3 missiles which would make the Mirage competitive with the current modules in BVR.
I thought you also had to input the relevant CP/PD (runway heading/desired slope) numbers now in order to get the synthetic runway symbol to show in the VTH, but I didn't see you do that?
I think it's automatically in there correctly with a landing waypoint from the ME. But you can divert and then you'd have to enter those manually. Or if you just place the plane on the tarmac without having any followup waypoints at all, then they're zeroed as well and need to be entered. Not sure if you'd actually need a landing waypoint anymore at all, the manual isn't updated and it still says you would.
I just checked, no waypoint needed for landing anymore. The landing waypoint just conveniently brings the CP/PD values unless you hack it in from inside the cockpit. All you need is the CP/PD values and ILS frequency now which is absolutely great if you have to divert, ideally to something that has at least a TACAN station as well. Wrote more details on this in my other comment :)
I started learning the Mirage a couple of days ago and the tutorials were really leaving a lot to be desired, but I guess all these recent changes explain it. I’ve been using WP01 rather than 20, and I’ve also been doing a much shorter alignment by setting the dial to a different setting than ALN, but I can’t remember what it’s called because I still have the cockpit in French.
@@grimreapers No worries man, some out of date coverage is better than none at all. In fact learning the old way, realising it doesn’t work and having to work it out actually helps me figure out other stuff too, because you have to explore other switches and nobs, experiment a bit and find out stuff you weren’t trying to do by accident in the process lol
And you are flying the Mirage for the first time like in, 2 years? I suggest you doing the Mirage tutorials twice in a year or so with all the updates, that way you won't have to do it again and again
The INS looks and work kinda similar to the Concorde INS (like the CIVA for msfs). The symbology for landing reminds me to the Space Shuttle hud symbology for the approach and landing... Nice video Cap!!
Hey guys, so ive been flying the Mirage for a while now, and recently just got back into dcs after taking a long break. When I start up the Mirage, my climb angle latter on the HUD disappears when the INS finishes aligning and I start the taxi. Am I missing a step? Or is it a glitch? Would really like some input. Thanks.
Perfect video. But I'm concern about setting waypoint 20 for INS alignment as a reference. I use waypoint no 1 instead. Then distance is calculated correctly after moving off from parking spot. If I use waypoint 20 I have 9999.9 km from starting position.
HOW ABOUT: IAI KFIR Block 60, KFIR C10 (F-21A ATAC), MIRAGE 5AM MIRSIP, MIRAGE 5 BM MIRSIP, MIRAGE 5R RECCE (camera nose), a fully functional ALPHA JET A+ model (pointy nosed DORNIER version), ALPHA JET E+ (blunt nosed DASSAULT Belgian/French version), Leonardo M345 and M346 trainers for DCS WORLD (both versions 2.5/2.7? The Mirage 5 series I mentionned are COLD WAR ERA jets that were later sold off by Belgian Air Force to Chile Fuerza Aerea as MIRAGE 5 "ELKAN" and "PANTERA" (conform modifications). How about TA-4J dual seat SKYHAWKS?
Idk why, but when i check the fast allingment, i go in the mirage and do everything as cap says, i input the N coordinates, but when i input the E coordinates and press ins it just deletes the E cord and it turns to blank. it does that only with the E coordinates, with the N it does everything good. Anybody knows why? Thanks boys
A bit late, and probably trying to teach grandma to suck eggs but do you have all the characters required for the entry? Leading zeros, trailing zeros for example. Sorry if this is obvious.
u think theres something with my hud it doesnt change when i put on my majics of 530 supers (im on controller btw) i dont even know how to get into nav mode
Assuming you did everything like the tutorials on this channel... it could be that you pressed the button to turn on the hud twice instead of just once? It has 3 positions and needs to be in the middle position. So 1 right click to turn it on.
Is there a small yellow light saying "n deg" on the ins display? The screen where you insert the coördinates when aligning. Bc that would mean your plane didn't align properly.
Press that there. OK then. I appreciate the tutorials but ‘press that there’ and a sub-second screenshot of the settings page is more frustrating than just not bothering with that feature at all. Never mind, I’m glad I got some info from elsewhere in the vid, plus many others over the years. Cheers, no really. I hate being that whiner from the internet but this ‘press that there’ instruction was egregiously bad as a tutorial element.
Nice... So the training still guides you over the old procedure on an updated plane... Why do companies still get away with doing these things? it's not like the module is free or anything... This video is 1 year old and yet here i am trying to find what the hell is wrong with my game a year later... At least i didn't buy it and i just asked for a trial... Unacceptable to have misleading training in an already too complicated and frustrating procedure...
It is a mf shame I need to go to my boys of the GR to find out how this bi*** works... It is a bloody disgrace that they did not align the training with the updated plane. Shame on these bogus devs.
Great to see Razbam giving love to the Harrier and the Mirage!
Yup, but it would have been even better if they had shown the same love for the manuals they release for these modules:)
To be more specific about the INS change : WP00 is uneditable and is always the current position (by the INS point of view). When doing the alignment what you are truly doing by pressing VAL is telling the INS "you see this WP20 ? Okay, now it's our current position, align yourself to it". But it's not forced to be WP20 !! It's just that we will never use WP20 so it's convenient.
One could use WP01 and do the alignment ... But you would have edited your wp for you flight.
thx
I was so confused why INS alignment wasn't letting me input the damn coordinates
i just bought this, even the damn ingame training mission tells you the wrong way to do this. i was seriously confused. took me a long time to figure out its not me, but they changed the system...
@@Baerzilla their doing a lot right now so it may change a bit more. The mirage is a fun jet though
For those wondering how one would setup synthetic runway in the plane without having preconfigured a waypoint in the mission editor :
You need to set your ILS frequency to the right one, also having your altimeter to the right pressure is nice because that's what's used for this.
Now select a random new waypoint with the "PREP" button on the PCN (PREP=>enter WP number). Let's say you have 3 preconfigured waypoints so we choose arbitrarly WP09 which will be "blank".
You then need to set the INS mode to "CP/PD" (cap désiré/pente désirée = desired heading and glideslope I believe)
You will then enter "CP" with the "left +" on the PCN numpad. Enter the runway heading.
Then "PD" with the "right +" on the PCN numpad. Enter 03.0 (I've read this value on the forum, I don't have more informations)
Now select WP09 as your dest. You don't need to tell the ISN the coordinates of the runway, it worked as it for me :)
thxx
What's 03.0?
@@anonymous17367 03.0 -> typical glide path angle of 3°
And don't forget, the runway heading must be in True, not Magnetic heading
@@anonymous17367 It's the desired glideslope. The usual glideslope angle used is 3.0° so that's why we use this number. You can try to google "glideslope ILS" or something to have more information
Okay, thanks guys
That's the thing I was wondering why my INS aligment didn't work
yep i had bought it recently too...that was so frustrating lol...they should at least update the training mission waypoint 00 to 20
I'm glad I tried the new synthetic runway changes with a hot start. The WP20 thing would totally have caught me off guard as well.
@@CakePrincessCelestia You are not forced to use the WP20, as long as it's not the WP00 it's fine. WP00 is uneditable and is always the current position of the aircraft
I had found to use waypoint 20 for alignment, but found my waypoint headings to be off a bit, I didn't realise you can still set the hundredth and thousandth of a minute so I guess that's been my problem.
Same
Woo just got it the other day
I love the thing and it keeps getting better
(New Callsign) spotted! I just think it's funny how literally most of the DCS community never set up their virtual pilot in the logbook menu :)
4:41 Here's actually the main change. You don't need that waypoint from the ME anymore, it now also works for waypoints set during the mission (haven't tried without any yet)! Instead you just need your ILS frequency set and the runway data entered to the PCN with the knob set to CP/PD (french abbreviation for Runway Heading / Glide Slope). Enter the RWY HDG (get from the map with the ruler, no magnetic correction, just the readout; or take the value from the ILS cones in the ME) to the left box and the glideslope angle to the right one.
6:13 I'll just grab it from the manual:
a. The INS is on.
b. The airport is the current fly-to waypoint.
c. The runway data (heading and glideslope) were entered2.
d. Both localizer and glideslope have been captured
e. The runway is less than 10 nautical miles away.
f. Lateral deviation is less than 7º.
8:06 The thing gets tons of drag at desired AoA, so it's better to keep them in (not sure if this would be the real procedure though) and you almost need somewhere around 50% of throttle lever there. Plus, when you touch down, deploy the air brakes then. Since they're on the wings, they also act as spoilers, so deploying them immediately kills some lift (at least it should), so the thing stays down on the runway nicely. Just as a re-Cap for the AoA, you'd ideally want to see the symbology in a line like this as much as possible: >] -o- [<
8:37 Just stretch your neck some :D - or RShift+RCtrl+NP8.
Thx RD
i realize I am kind of off topic but does anyone know of a good site to stream new series online?
@Lukas Maxim I use FlixZone. Just search on google for it :)
@Lukas Maxim I use FlixZone. Just search on google for it =)
Thanks for doing updates on the lawn dart Cap, really appreciate it as just started to learn this aircraft after a long DCS hiatus. Keep up the great work mate.
thxx
Currently learning the Mirage and the stock training missions are so bad, they hardly even work. Thank you so much for keeping us up to date! Will you re-shoot the different tutorials after such changes? Or is it important to check the whole playlist in a chronological order to get all the changes?
"Smooth as a ...."
*HEAVY CLUNK*
*Master warning noises*
XD that cracked me up
The longer alignment will mess up the Red Flag campaign start up timing. It may need a patch?
I think it takes the same amount as before (8 minutes), right? I've started the Red Flag campaign after this patch and although the timing is tight, I've got somewhere between 15-60 seconds left each time before my taxi time.
This video is so good. Been able to land the M2000C with no issue on a number of occasions tonight. I'd forgotten about flying the Mirage until recently.
Might need to get the mirage. Beautiful beautiful aircraft 😍😍
bought it 2 days ago...not disappointed! it's a dogfight beast
Go for it! It has gotten to be a true masterpiece since Razbam improved / developed this with help from the French Air Force, and they are still going!
Love the mirage. Only drawback is lack of missile hardpoints. And that it doesn't have fox3. Wish they would upgrade it to -5 for some MICA-EM
Definately a great plane. And you'll learn to love that synthetic runway a lot with all the clouds now :)
@@fastfed It is not useless because even though you cannot BVR with it against the more modern/newer aircrafts you can still use the terrain to hide and once the enemy is within 20nm, you have a fighting chance with 530Ds who can sometimes even reacquire a radar contact temporarily lost, and the Magic IR missile are very good on par with Aim9x and with decent range. You have the speed and agility to do well in combat within 15-20nm into a merge and a rwr that lets u know about incoming fox2s which is valuable. You also have access to GCI to have more SA since you do not have datalink. But yes hopefully Razbam will go ahead with the Mirage -5 and one day we will get the MICA fox3 missiles which would make the Mirage competitive with the current modules in BVR.
I thought you also had to input the relevant CP/PD (runway heading/desired slope) numbers now in order to get the synthetic runway symbol to show in the VTH, but I didn't see you do that?
I used a LANDING waypoint from mission editor. It does al the work for you
I think it's automatically in there correctly with a landing waypoint from the ME. But you can divert and then you'd have to enter those manually. Or if you just place the plane on the tarmac without having any followup waypoints at all, then they're zeroed as well and need to be entered. Not sure if you'd actually need a landing waypoint anymore at all, the manual isn't updated and it still says you would.
I just checked, no waypoint needed for landing anymore. The landing waypoint just conveniently brings the CP/PD values unless you hack it in from inside the cockpit. All you need is the CP/PD values and ILS frequency now which is absolutely great if you have to divert, ideally to something that has at least a TACAN station as well. Wrote more details on this in my other comment :)
simplest way to be in configuration to start an alignement is just to ask ground power
Can you explain further?
@@trucktrucker5043 Set battery ON, ask the fround crew to turn on AC ground power and that's it, you have all the systems needed to align the INS
They changed the button for the missile again [530 D] so you must change it AGAIN in the settings
meh I'm passed caring about Mirage. They can only change it so many times and expect us to care/
Now if we could have an updated vid on how to do the in*flight re-alignement and how to use the route désirée function :p
I started learning the Mirage a couple of days ago and the tutorials were really leaving a lot to be desired, but I guess all these recent changes explain it.
I’ve been using WP01 rather than 20, and I’ve also been doing a much shorter alignment by setting the dial to a different setting than ALN, but I can’t remember what it’s called because I still have the cockpit in French.
@@grimreapers
No worries man, some out of date coverage is better than none at all.
In fact learning the old way, realising it doesn’t work and having to work it out actually helps me figure out other stuff too, because you have to explore other switches and nobs, experiment a bit and find out stuff you weren’t trying to do by accident in the process lol
And you are flying the Mirage for the first time like in, 2 years?
I suggest you doing the Mirage tutorials twice in a year or so with all the updates, that way you won't have to do it again and again
Hello cap. .. please check on F14 the CCIP bombing mode on 2.7 I can't set the droping point previously seted by PAL.
hmmm copy. I didn't notice anything in the patch notes on it?
@@grimreapers Cap I think that is not a patch.... it is a faill it is an "unfix"... thank you for all that you do.
I am unable to input a second coordinate for the INS system. whenever I press ins to insert the coordinate, it just resets it.
have to put a '' 0 '' first
The INS looks and work kinda similar to the Concorde INS (like the CIVA for msfs). The symbology for landing reminds me to the Space Shuttle hud symbology for the approach and landing... Nice video Cap!!
You need to raise your seat in approach mode !
rgr
Hey guys, so ive been flying the Mirage for a while now, and recently just got back into dcs after taking a long break. When I start up the Mirage, my climb angle latter on the HUD disappears when the INS finishes aligning and I start the taxi. Am I missing a step? Or is it a glitch? Would really like some input. Thanks.
It's all changed. Will be looking at it today.
Perfect video. But I'm concern about setting waypoint 20 for INS alignment as a reference. I use waypoint no 1 instead. Then distance is calculated correctly after moving off from parking spot. If I use waypoint 20 I have 9999.9 km from starting position.
Roger. 20 came from Razbam's most recent public post on the Mirage.
Thanks super cap!
I see caps landings haven’t improved in the mirage lol
lol
HOW ABOUT: IAI KFIR Block 60, KFIR C10 (F-21A ATAC), MIRAGE 5AM MIRSIP, MIRAGE 5 BM MIRSIP, MIRAGE 5R RECCE (camera nose), a fully functional ALPHA JET A+ model (pointy nosed DORNIER version), ALPHA JET E+ (blunt nosed DASSAULT Belgian/French version), Leonardo M345 and M346 trainers for DCS WORLD (both versions 2.5/2.7? The Mirage 5 series I mentionned are COLD WAR ERA jets that were later sold off by Belgian Air Force to Chile Fuerza Aerea as MIRAGE 5 "ELKAN" and "PANTERA" (conform modifications). How about TA-4J dual seat SKYHAWKS?
Idk why, but when i check the fast allingment, i go in the mirage and do everything as cap says, i input the N coordinates, but when i input the E coordinates and press ins it just deletes the E cord and it turns to blank. it does that only with the E coordinates, with the N it does everything good.
Anybody knows why? Thanks boys
A bit late, and probably trying to teach grandma to suck eggs but do you have all the characters required for the entry? Leading zeros, trailing zeros for example. Sorry if this is obvious.
u think theres something with my hud it doesnt change when i put on my majics of 530 supers (im on controller btw) i dont even know how to get into nav mode
Assuming you did everything like the tutorials on this channel... it could be that you pressed the button to turn on the hud twice instead of just once? It has 3 positions and needs to be in the middle position. So 1 right click to turn it on.
@@djkyte5400 nope tried every position on both things
@@ifatgabe7352 you followed the tutorials like startup, waypoint navigation, a2a combat etc.?
Is there a small yellow light saying "n deg" on the ins display? The screen where you insert the coördinates when aligning. Bc that would mean your plane didn't align properly.
@@djkyte5400 ye, all of it
thx for this
in "pente désirée" the "e" is silent it is pronounced like "pent désiré"
thx
Press that there. OK then. I appreciate the tutorials but ‘press that there’ and a sub-second screenshot of the settings page is more frustrating than just not bothering with that feature at all. Never mind, I’m glad I got some info from elsewhere in the vid, plus many others over the years. Cheers, no really. I hate being that whiner from the internet but this ‘press that there’ instruction was egregiously bad as a tutorial element.
Cap, your HUD is super clear and thin, is this a mod ?
neg
i hate to do this but FIRST!!
Nice... So the training still guides you over the old procedure on an updated plane... Why do companies still get away with doing these things? it's not like the module is free or anything... This video is 1 year old and yet here i am trying to find what the hell is wrong with my game a year later... At least i didn't buy it and i just asked for a trial... Unacceptable to have misleading training in an already too complicated and frustrating procedure...
It is a mf shame I need to go to my boys of the GR to find out how this bi*** works... It is a bloody disgrace that they did not align the training with the updated plane. Shame on these bogus devs.