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  • Опубликовано: 25 авг 2023
  • I went to a Wing Chun School and learned how to use the Wing Chun Dummy like a Kung Fu Master! with ​⁠@KevinLeeVlog
    Become a member to watch the full session with Sifu Francis Fong!
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  • @SenseiSeth
    @SenseiSeth  9 месяцев назад +122

    Become a member to watch the full session with Sifu Francis Fong!
    ruclips.net/channel/UCXYOXWWqgtSrk27402V_JMwjoin

    • @msio625
      @msio625 9 месяцев назад +2

      ok

    • @om-qz7kp
      @om-qz7kp 9 месяцев назад +2

      Sensei, I know u need to get views and you are making videos on all sort of things.
      But, pls, do not go into the wing chun rabbit hole.
      When I moved from wing chun to bjj and kyokushin I realised time would have been better spent training bjj and kyokushin instead of wing chun.

    • @AM-jx3zf
      @AM-jx3zf 9 месяцев назад +2

      I have learnt a bit of wing chun and a bit of Muay Thai. They both work very well together..
      Switch from sticky hands to stronger Muay elbow strikes.. grab grab elbow slip grab elbow. Its like butter

    • @anthonyvulgamore8843
      @anthonyvulgamore8843 9 месяцев назад

      I think wingchun would be beneficial for you you could use a bit of wingchun in your karate karate is still cool though

    • @pablotzuarbenisrael9916
      @pablotzuarbenisrael9916 9 месяцев назад +1

      I just seen this video on membership its Great!

  • @theaikidoka
    @theaikidoka 9 месяцев назад +1757

    It always strikes me how generous actual masters are. People with high levels of skill in a subject get that skill because they love what they do and do it as much as possible, and loving something usually means you want to share that love with others. Be wary of the people who hoard their 'knowledge', they want something from you rather than to make you better.

    • @DragonTigerBoss
      @DragonTigerBoss 9 месяцев назад +102

      Always be wary of the Seths of the world and their knowledge paywalls.

    • @KipaYumiya
      @KipaYumiya 9 месяцев назад +26

      it would be funny if seth pins this

    • @3nertia
      @3nertia 9 месяцев назад +2

      This is amazing advice! Thank you, sensei! :)

    • @3nertia
      @3nertia 9 месяцев назад +15

      @@DragonTigerBoss Welcome to capitalism! :(

    • @KarateMami
      @KarateMami 8 месяцев назад +1

      To be a true master, you must continuously learn otherwise there's no room for improvement 😊

  • @vedranlucev1837
    @vedranlucev1837 9 месяцев назад +1263

    Watching Sifu Fong tie Kevin up like a pretzel to illustrate a point never gets old.

    • @lboe9232
      @lboe9232 9 месяцев назад +57

      He always makes it look so simple from his muscle memory too, like "And then I can just put his hand..." and suddenly Kevin finds himself tapping 😄

    • @AGrumpyPanda
      @AGrumpyPanda 9 месяцев назад +31

      @@lboe9232 Kevin also knows what's coming, and like an aikidoka can just go with it in a way to avoid hurting himself.

    • @kanucks9
      @kanucks9 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@AGrumpyPandaand to let him demo

    • @Hou413
      @Hou413 8 месяцев назад +4

      @@AGrumpyPandasomething about this comment and the amount of likes it gets feels like there’s becoming a cultural shift of more respect towards aikido. And I can’t help but think that’s in a large part because of Rokas and his collabs with seth and everyone else from USDC. I think he’d be really happy to see this…

    • @OldSmokeyGhost
      @OldSmokeyGhost 8 месяцев назад

      Unless maybe you are Kevin....?

  • @firebert07
    @firebert07 9 месяцев назад +705

    Sifu Fong is an excellent instructor. There's a lot of bad wing chun out there, and he's encapsulating all of the most important and flexible components of it. Really great to see

    • @tAtarit0
      @tAtarit0 9 месяцев назад +22

      Theres a lot of bad everything
      Good teachers good masters or good whatever are rare, not because the rest of ourselves that want to become masters arent good enough, we just didnt reached that level yet... but we will... eventually... if we keep at it

    • @gajet6568
      @gajet6568 8 месяцев назад +7

      underrated comment. there is a lot of shit martial art instructors out there.

    • @warlocksm1
      @warlocksm1 8 месяцев назад +18

      @@tAtarit0 There is a lot more bad than good martial arts instructors. I had great wing chun sifu in my small hometown, but when I moved to big city for my university studies I hade to spend few months visiting ~20 different dojos (many different ma) until I have found one that hade good instructor and good training regiment (judo) so I had to switch from wing chun to judo just to have good training, but continued doing wooden dummy training.

    • @Wingzero90939
      @Wingzero90939 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@tAtarit0 unfortunately I think there are way more bad martial artist and it has nothing to do with reaching that level. It’s just an easy scam.
      Anyone can open a dojo of any kind, Taekwondo and Karate are the easiest to find that are just basically daycares that hand out uniforms.
      The serious athletes, who actually compete and go to the Olympics, are few and far between.
      They also don’t have a regulating body that says you’re not allowed to open a school, there are no hard rules, to prevent scammers from opening up mcdojos.
      The only reason you don’t really see it with more combat-based martial arts is because those guys compete. If you get a fake BJJ school they aren’t going to do well in tournaments at all.

    • @concerninghobbits5536
      @concerninghobbits5536 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Wingzero90939I just started Kyudo and I feel very lucky that everything is run through a few certified organisations. Being a lot smaller than stuff like karate it's a bit reassuring that there's only a single dojo in my state and it's tied into the official regulating body in Japan.

  • @KevinLeeVlog
    @KevinLeeVlog 9 месяцев назад +257

    The amount of knowledge from Sifu is unbelievable!!

    • @PaMuShin
      @PaMuShin 9 месяцев назад +4

      Did you give Seth some dit da jow after practice? He looks like he needs it, after all he says his bones go into the dummy and the wood into his bones.

  • @hawk5592
    @hawk5592 9 месяцев назад +237

    Bro he’s so cool😭

    • @thekillernoobgames8095
      @thekillernoobgames8095 7 месяцев назад +1

      105 likes and no comments gotta fix that

    • @thejumper8496
      @thejumper8496 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@thekillernoobgames8095🤓

    • @ldawg7117
      @ldawg7117 3 месяца назад

      So you have a waterfall of tears running down your face for some inexplicable? Fucking stupid, weird use of that emoji

  • @ForwardSynthesis
    @ForwardSynthesis 9 месяцев назад +72

    I was shocked to learn Sifu Francis Fong is 76 years old. I thought he was maybe 55 or 60 at the most.

    • @weih9197
      @weih9197 3 месяца назад +6

      whatttttt

    • @mrmushin1
      @mrmushin1 2 месяца назад +2

      That would make sense he came the us in 80's

    • @jsim5475
      @jsim5475 2 месяца назад +4

      All the wing chun masters live to a very old age and are still so strong fast and healthy clearly its more than a marshal art it's a way of life

    • @logandunlap9156
      @logandunlap9156 2 месяца назад +1

      asian dont raisin

    • @adim00lah
      @adim00lah Месяц назад +2

      Damn he's 76! Wow, he's in great shape for a man that age, respect.

  • @Allegedly_Angel
    @Allegedly_Angel 9 месяцев назад +182

    Kevin looks slightly terrified at times and I love it 🤣

    • @SoundBoy808
      @SoundBoy808 9 месяцев назад +23

      Just the way it should be. Whenever my l master said "you punch." it was always a worrying moment, haha.. 😅

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 9 месяцев назад +16

      ​@@SoundBoy808exactly!!!
      Mine was a Japanese Jujutsu one, and when they said something like that, one would need to prepare themselves for the craziest counter ever

    • @PaMuShin
      @PaMuShin 9 месяцев назад +10

      If you look close then you see kevin gets actual hits into his chin, with this you can recognize fong is interested in actual application too, but this kind of training can be very unconfortable mostly but on disciple side until the moment comes kevin knocks fong out, oh sorry master bla bla and fong is going to say what are you doing keep on pounding me, the streets know no mercy. 😄 Some of the better masters are this strange.

    • @mohammadbeidas2514
      @mohammadbeidas2514 9 месяцев назад +2

      😂😂😂 one of the most real master- student moments 🥲🥲

  • @diggysdungeon
    @diggysdungeon 9 месяцев назад +315

    I've always found Kevin to be really good at explaining things in his videos, and with Sifu Francis as his teacher, it's no wonder! He explains things so concisely and yet makes the concepts really intuitive.

    • @KarateMami
      @KarateMami 8 месяцев назад +6

      I agree. He explains a lot but you surprisingly kind of remember it

  • @emptyemptiness8372
    @emptyemptiness8372 9 месяцев назад +291

    Unbelievable...you have managed to do what no wing Chung master has been able to do in modern times...you have managed to make a video that explains and shows that the principles of wing Chung and the skills gained from training it are not useless, that is a martial art with a lot to offer. You have done what no other has been able to. Well done.

    • @justingilead2189
      @justingilead2189 9 месяцев назад +7

      You’re quite right. It’s amazing how simple it was.

    • @PHIplaytesting
      @PHIplaytesting 9 месяцев назад +49

      Seth did an excellent job with this video, but Sifu Fong also deserves credit because he's probably the most competent and well-rounded wing chun sifu alive. He is also an instructor in muay thai, jiu jitsu, and some other things.

    • @dhaxiskhadhammer
      @dhaxiskhadhammer 9 месяцев назад +17

      Sifu interacting with Seth it felt like he was teaching him a grapple style of sorts more so than the flashy striking style movies have made it out to be.

    • @mrn4sty46
      @mrn4sty46 9 месяцев назад +22

      @@dhaxiskhadhammerwell that’s because Wing Chun is a striking grappling style

    • @kungpowchickenwing
      @kungpowchickenwing 9 месяцев назад +7

      Yeah I think we watch so many wing chun guys get lit up we forget there is wisdom in the philosophy of the art and there are little pearls of wisdom in it that any fighter can plumb the depths of.

  • @LukeD91
    @LukeD91 9 месяцев назад +36

    The fact he regularly closes his eyes when doing the drills with Kevin is crazy 😂

  • @PHIplaytesting
    @PHIplaytesting 9 месяцев назад +80

    Sifu Francis Fong is one of the most remarkable human beings in martial arts, both in terms of his knowledge and in terms of his physical abilities for a man in his 70's.

  • @davidyoung745
    @davidyoung745 9 месяцев назад +343

    The middle part represents low line punches or raised knees. Just like the two upper arms represent highline punches. And yes, repeated mild impacts over a long period of time do make your bones denser and harder. The main part of iron palm training is about coordinating breath with movement and developing smooth relaxed motion in your strikes. Kind of like throwing a baseball is smooth and relaxed. But part of it is also slowly making your bone denser so that it can stand up to the power you’re developing by building your coordination.

    • @blockmasterscott
      @blockmasterscott 9 месяцев назад +11

      So THAT's what the middle part is, I always wondered that. Thanks for explaining! 👍💪

    • @davidyoung745
      @davidyoung745 9 месяцев назад +6

      Glad to be of service lol 😄@@blockmasterscott

    • @asckee
      @asckee 8 месяцев назад +6

      Hehe. Bone.

    • @dtoad5576
      @dtoad5576 8 месяцев назад +17

      correct. Emphasis on MILD impact. people smacking the dummy with their arm /wrist bones are asking for permanent injuries. smacker beware.

    • @nouhorni3229
      @nouhorni3229 8 месяцев назад +3

      Is there research supporting that?
      Or is that something people just say because they feel that way?

  • @SlowDeath1993
    @SlowDeath1993 9 месяцев назад +29

    Wing Chun it's not for everyone. It's way different than others martial arts. You are so Lucky to stay in gym with Sifu Fong. That's a hell of Sifu. Probably the one the best today.

  • @georgefoley9793
    @georgefoley9793 9 месяцев назад +248

    I practice both Karate (primary) and Wing Chun (secondary), and I must say that WC compliments any standup martial art. WC has improved my Karate so much! Glad you are starting to appreciate it.

    • @kungpowchickenwing
      @kungpowchickenwing 9 месяцев назад +20

      It does! I used Wing Chun applied to karate to really improve my sparring.
      It’s an important facet to striking for sure 😊😊

    • @watamutha
      @watamutha 9 месяцев назад +20

      Yes I agree, I've seen some people apply it to grappling arts as well. Techniques and concepts. Pretty cool stuff.

    • @bradauto
      @bradauto 9 месяцев назад +5

      Absolutely agree. I started chow gar some years ago and my karate shot off into its own beautiful place

    • @beardedbloke2521
      @beardedbloke2521 8 месяцев назад +14

      I do Wing Chun and Kyokoshin. Though I started Wing Chun many years before, it's interesting how both systems are so different yet so familiar at the same time. Idea of being relaxed rather than tense, the Centreline, using the hips and even a number of techniques/strikes are familiar. As you get older you realise it's not about which is better but your ability to learn and appreciate what different disciplines offer.

    • @Lieutenant_Dude
      @Lieutenant_Dude 4 месяца назад +2

      It really seems like the principles in Wingchun help with feeling comfortable in a clinch situation where you need to grapple and strike with your arms at the same while standing.

  • @joshuaivy9381
    @joshuaivy9381 9 месяцев назад +63

    As someone who did Wing Chun bone conditioning in Highschool. It works really well but hurts super bad while doing it. You basically slam your bone by your wrist down on your partners while the other deflects. Using the wooden dummy also helps condition the bones as you will often end up hitting them pretty hard. After a few months you will barely feel it anymore. But I once had a teacher at school ask me if I was being abused at home. Because both of my arms from wrist to 1/3 of the way to my elbow were a solid black with bruises.

    • @dolfomachado12
      @dolfomachado12 6 месяцев назад +5

      I know that feeling, people would give me the looks on the arms for the exact same reason. I had to explain it over and over…

    • @truthful3777
      @truthful3777 Месяц назад

      Teacher: What hapoem to you, did donrone beat up up??
      You.. Yea.. 😢....that Dummy did this to me...
      Teacher : I report this yo the police.
      Police: Where is that fella that abuse uou..
      You: You show him thr wooden Win Chin Dummy.. Arrest him! 😅

  • @gw1357
    @gw1357 9 месяцев назад +73

    Francis Fong has the best hands I've ever seen on any martial artist ever. He's phenomenal.
    I really started to love the wooden dummy when I realized that it was as much or more about footwork as it was about hand work. I love it now.

  • @semwacanno9445
    @semwacanno9445 9 месяцев назад +39

    So cool to see Wing Chun in a light it deserves. Usually it is interpeted and demostrated all wrong. Props so Kevin Lee and his Sifu to tune the art of Wing Chun in a more modern style. And humble Seinei Seth ofcourse, to put himself out of his comfort zone everytime. Love to watch your video´s.

  • @TheDeadman419
    @TheDeadman419 9 месяцев назад +56

    I would love to see Icy Mike learn from Sifu Fong now. Mike is a very practical guy and he always seems skeptical of old style martial arts (and I can't blame him because a lot of times he's right) so I really want to see what he'd pick up from Kevin's master

    • @PHIplaytesting
      @PHIplaytesting 9 месяцев назад +16

      Mike is the perfect combination of skeptical and open-minded.

    • @PaMuShin
      @PaMuShin 9 месяцев назад +3

      I would like to see fong in mikes place too, but for fighting multiple opponents like seth did

    • @PHIplaytesting
      @PHIplaytesting 9 месяцев назад +8

      @@PaMuShin You want to see a small man in his 70's fight a room full of young trained fighters?

    • @PaMuShin
      @PaMuShin 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@PHIplaytesting You mean like ip man or wong fei hung in his movies busting out his troublesome disciples? Yeah, why not!? If he followed the principles of shaolin he is gonna wreck most them anyway

    • @PHIplaytesting
      @PHIplaytesting 9 месяцев назад +3

      Jokes aside he does move remarkably well for his age. There's a lot of videos of him beating up Kevin Lee on Lee's channel.

  • @Memorixt
    @Memorixt 9 месяцев назад +62

    Sifu Fong 🙏(‘s explanation)is a perfect example of who and how a really great Master should be. Indeed He managed to teach and demonstrate quite a lot in quite a short time (in general and about the dummy as well), and He is kind, charismatic, motivational, respectful and motivating respect. Just by watching this video I would run to learn in His School (if He would accept me). ...And yes, we learned what the purpose of that middle...arm(?) is.😂

    • @dtoad5576
      @dtoad5576 8 месяцев назад

      whats with the capital H. seriously.

  • @wingchun-sc
    @wingchun-sc 9 месяцев назад +16

    Lesson 2: Leverage. Yes, speed helps, but good leverage with good control (partly #3 angles), you don't need speed as much.
    In the end, yes, you are starting to get it - it isn't about the dummy, it is about what the dummy reveals. Good one, Sir.

  • @hmorenom
    @hmorenom 9 месяцев назад +13

    You got to train with master Fong himself. What an honor!

  • @joaocorona6593
    @joaocorona6593 9 месяцев назад +9

    With the precision of his movements, you can really see what thousands of hours of practice look like

  • @Eri587
    @Eri587 9 месяцев назад +10

    The middle part is to simulate bodyshots be it punches or kicks, wing chun doesn't use a lot of kicks but it has front stomp type kicks tl the legs and body.

  • @BMO_Creative
    @BMO_Creative 9 месяцев назад +33

    Dude! Seeing you learn from Kev's teacher shows why Kev is so amazing at martial arts! Great video!

  • @archangel98632
    @archangel98632 9 месяцев назад +25

    Your final thoughts might have felt awkward to express, but Sensei, they truly hint a a deep philosophical idea. Let me see if I can try: sometimes the best practices in any complex skill (those that integrate body/mind/intent and connect one with a tradition) are designed to teach at many layers. The more widely applicable layers to any practice, the more a relationship with a person/practice/mindset discloses even more reality and catalyzes the practitioner to grow beyond to meet that bigger reality, only to have that practice expand reality AGAIN... that is true Art. Beyond the propositional knowledge, beyond the procedural skill; it is the perspective and participation with Reality.

  • @LunaticReason
    @LunaticReason 9 месяцев назад +22

    Sifu Fong is a great instructor from what I have see of his teaching. Its good to see someone like yourself open to Wing Chun because people often dismiss it and the art doesnt improve. I feel like you've got the principles down and those principles dont have to strictly be WC but applied to general striking.

  • @TheElbowMerchant
    @TheElbowMerchant 9 месяцев назад +52

    I've always wanted a comprehensive breakdown of the purpose and functionality of this type of training dummy, so thank you for this. The "bone conditioning" looks brutal, but I can see how it would be useful with the amount of blocking and hand trapping that's utilized in Wing Chun. My hands, elbows, and shins are very conditioned. My wrists and forearms? Not so much. Good stuff, Sensei Seth!

    • @mrmushin1
      @mrmushin1 Месяц назад

      Type in sifu randy willians crca wooden dummy or sifu augistine fong

  • @MikePrime13
    @MikePrime13 9 месяцев назад +15

    Hi Sensei Seth,
    Thanks for the great video.
    As a wing chun practitioner, I want to give you point number #6 on your whiteboard: Space Awareness and Positioning relative to the opponent.
    If you look at Sifu Fong and Kevin, you will see that because of their training with the dummy, they are primed to move and adjust their bodies at the most optimum angle for their own bodies relative to the center mass of the dummy. So the idea is as a beginner, once you make contact with the dummy, you need to adjust your hand/body angle relative to the dummy until you feel the perfect position (not leaning backward/fowards, elbows in the right position, legs are within the position to kick and/or displace the opponent's front leg, etc), and rinse and repeat until you internalize and/or calibrate your center/kill zone to unleash your Wing Chun freeflow combos.
    The best analogy to show this phenomenon is when you watch RUclips videos of street fighting game characters' combo videos. Usually for a given fighting game character (Ryu, Ken, Jin, etc.), you have a long list of normal moves, special moves, throws, etc. -- if you use them randomly, they hit the opponent but you cannot chain combos. However, if you are in the correct position and at the right moment, you can strike the opponent in a way that allows you to chain multiple hits and combos to hit the opponent (i.e., juggling) while you cannot be hit by the opponent once the chain begins.
    In other words, the dummy teaches the practitioner to learn and realize where he needs to be relative to the opponent in order to optimize and/or execute his or her wing chun strikes and techniques. If you have to bend over (arch your upper body) to reach the dummy arms, then you are too far away from the dummy, and vice versa if you are too close to the dummy. If your shoulder is not square facing the center mass of the dummy, that means you are not facing the dummy appropriately and that means you are turning too much as Sifu Fong said multiple times in the clip. Once you are in the right position and are calibrated with the dummy, the next steps are to literally to move around the dummy and quickly and naturally calibrate your position/orientation to the opponent in real time -- that is the true teaching of the dummy that most people don't realize.
    Hope that makes sense, and Thanks again.

  • @bentinho
    @bentinho 9 месяцев назад +30

    You're doing a great job doing these breakdowns. It takes a lot to assimilate information like this and then recompose it to someone (us) in a clear way that makes sense!

  • @davidmedeiros7572
    @davidmedeiros7572 9 месяцев назад +11

    That was awesome. I started in martial arts with Wing Chun (at 49!) and eventually got a half dummy for my garage. I wasn't learning the "form" on it so much but it was great for just general drilling without a partner. I've moved on to Krav but still have the dummy sitting on the wall. This is making me want to start using it again!

    • @jarrodpelrine7229
      @jarrodpelrine7229 9 месяцев назад

      Pick up your dummy training again I recommend getting the book by Greenville martial arts academy I've gotten mine along with my dummy and it's great Amazon 👍

  • @swordpvnk
    @swordpvnk 9 месяцев назад +10

    there are so many wrestling applications running through my head while i watch this.....i love your channel Seth. Keep fighting the good fight.

  • @JxBx80
    @JxBx80 9 месяцев назад +8

    I’m jealous, Sifu Francis Fong is who my instructor learned from. I never felt I was good enough to go to one of his seminars since our focus was Kali.

  • @EvanLovesWhiskey
    @EvanLovesWhiskey 9 месяцев назад +17

    I loved my wing tsu experience when also learning Tai chi Quan I'm glad he taught you about so much especially the centerline concept

  • @taylorshanks692
    @taylorshanks692 9 месяцев назад +5

    The middle part also represents an arm; the 3 arms on the wooden dummy represent different arm positions on your opponent. 😂
    Love the video; huge fan of everyone involved!

  • @user-tj5yg5pk8v
    @user-tj5yg5pk8v 9 месяцев назад +9

    What an honor to train with Sifu. So very knowledgeable!

  • @shadowchisau
    @shadowchisau 9 месяцев назад +7

    Great video. Trained WC for 20 years, and really refreshing to see someone talk about these basic concepts and theories, in an approachable way for beginners. It puts the movements great contents. it's not about crazy/flashy movements, but the small details. Thanks Sensei Seth

  • @seanledig1431
    @seanledig1431 9 месяцев назад +13

    I've been to several Sifu Fong seminars. He brings a lot of knowledge and humor to everything.
    BTW: The wooden dummy builds killer forearms, too.

  • @crypticnomad
    @crypticnomad 9 месяцев назад +5

    wing chun is both really simple and really complicated at the same time. I have trained Muay Thai/Muay Chaiya, jiu jitsu and wing chun and imho a person shouldn't start with wing chun. Well maybe learn the first form, then go onto some other striking art like Muay Thai, Karate, or whatever and then after some level of mastery has been achieved come back to wing chun. At that point they should have the right physical and mental frame to learn the kind of wing chun that is actually really useful. If I take two people who know nothing about martial arts and send one to a typical wing chun school and the other to a typical muay thai school, it is pretty obvious that the muay thai guy will just handle the wing chun guy the vast majority of the time. However, if they both started with Muay Thai, one then added wing chun while the other only stuck with Muay Thai then the Muay Thai only guy will get owned the vast majority of the time. The reason is not that the muay thai techniques are that much better than wing chun but rather that the training is that much better for untrained fighters or people who haven't developed that basic ground level fighting ability. I think a lot of wing chun was set up assuming the person already knew how to fight and wing chun was just putting the polish on it and making it streamlined. People with only wing chun training often suffer from unjustified overconfidence and imho it is from a lack of sparring/stress testing in the training in most wing chun schools

  • @bryantfalk7021
    @bryantfalk7021 5 дней назад +1

    This is one of the best honest straight forward understanding of Wing Chun! Really great. Just a little humor and excellent focus on what the art is about. Thanks again.

  • @richx5064
    @richx5064 9 месяцев назад +7

    O P
    This was good. More Wing Chun videos please.

  • @curtisthornsberry4236
    @curtisthornsberry4236 3 месяца назад +3

    I sword fight in HEMA, love how similar all martial arts are. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Bonaventurax
    @Bonaventurax 9 месяцев назад +8

    This was very interesting. He seems to be a great teacher, and when you look at Kevin, he sure is. I hope you can learn more from him, and maybe you will be able to incorporate it into your own style. Perhaps you can make a Viedo with Kevin where the two of you show your take on how you profit from learning traditional martial arts vs then strength of more modern ones.

  • @ZoniacMan
    @ZoniacMan 9 месяцев назад +1

    I like the sounds the wing chun dummy makes. Its kinda therapeutic.

  • @redrenegade7724
    @redrenegade7724 9 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this, Seth!

  • @j.raiton
    @j.raiton 9 месяцев назад +4

    Sifu blew his mind🤣

  • @lordtains
    @lordtains 9 месяцев назад +7

    Wing chun is such a difficult and rich system. It's all about principles (like the center line, structure, forward energy, economy of motion, sensitivity etc.). Training on the wooden dummy teaches you how to use your own mass to influence the balance and center of gravity (i.e. structure) of the opponent. When blocking or pulling, you don't want to just block or pull the arm, but completely disrupt the opponent's balance and change the angle (taking the center line) so he can't easily attack you again (because he first needs to regain his balance and turn back towards you). So you're attacking and defending in such a way that you're taking away your opponents ability to fight back. At least, that's the idea (but most wing chun practitioners don't train in an effective manner unfortunately).

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 9 месяцев назад +4

      Exactly!!! Same things happen to other Chinese martial arts. What you mentioned is basically part of Taichi and Bagua as well! But can most Taichi and Bagua practitioners do such things? Nah...
      If they sparred properly and did some proper drills (not like their drills are bad, just not enough for everyone. They only "click" for some people) they would have some of the best fighters ever.

    • @lordtains
      @lordtains 9 месяцев назад

      @@jestfullgremblim8002 Yes, these systems are very old, and steeped in all sorts of ancient traditions. In the west, Martial Arts have always been intrinsically connected to sports competitions (i.e. the ancient Greek and Roman wrestlers and boxers), so these systems have always been oriented towards athleticism and competing with others, leading to a relatively simplistic way of training (no forms, no complicated drills you have to memorize, just hitting a bag and a lot of sparring). But because the Eastern styles were created for war and self-defense rather than competitive athletes, they have developed a lot of very detailed principles and techniques on how to use or manipulate the body more effectively. Integrating the Eastern and Western methods of training will definitely lead to impressive results!

    • @kungpowchickenwing
      @kungpowchickenwing 9 месяцев назад

      I don’t think it (has to be) that difficult. It does look that way but even if you can’t flow like Sifu Fong I guarantee you can employ at least some of what he is saying to great effect.
      Even a tiny bit of wing chun helped me tweak my fighting for the better

    • @watamutha
      @watamutha 9 месяцев назад +1

      TBH I don't know if it's the practitioner or the art, maybe some of both. If people want to learn to fight, I think MMA schools do a better job of teaching it than traditional martial arts. But TMA have a lot more techniques for you to choose from. I think generally it's a good idea to do both.

    • @Wingzero90939
      @Wingzero90939 7 месяцев назад

      @@watamutha it also depends when you start as well. For kids, I would say judo. Judo teaches you a lot, including how to break fall.
      However, it’s definitely a sport. You don’t want to start when you’re 60.

  • @stevenrichardson4928
    @stevenrichardson4928 9 месяцев назад +1

    Very well done! Thanks! I'm ready for Part 2.

  • @beenright5115
    @beenright5115 9 месяцев назад

    This was awesome!!

  • @awakinart4685
    @awakinart4685 9 месяцев назад +3

    Sifu Francis Fong is the best!!
    It's incredibly awesome to see him on here representing the traditional arts.
    Thank you for sharing this 🙏

  • @Cmaxb9
    @Cmaxb9 9 месяцев назад +4

    Sifu Fong is such a wonderful teacher and gem of a person. This video is absolutely great and it’s awesome to see Seth train and gain such great knowledge from such a master, thank you for this!

  • @travesty-studios
    @travesty-studios 9 месяцев назад

    I love watching Kevin listen to his Sifu, such respect and admiration

  • @matthewmele764
    @matthewmele764 9 месяцев назад

    Excellent Gong Fu! Thank you for sharing this exchange with us.

  • @tactical_goku
    @tactical_goku 9 месяцев назад +4

    I have one and it's been absolutely a great tool

  • @camiloiribarren1450
    @camiloiribarren1450 9 месяцев назад +4

    The mook jong/wooden man dummy is one of the most traditional Chinese tool in martial arts. I have two in my dojo because we like CMA movements mixed in our Goju Ryu

    • @kungpowchickenwing
      @kungpowchickenwing 9 месяцев назад +1

      I did GoJu as well for a few years and I definitely see wing chun IN it. Even in Sanchin, you see the similar structure and hand movements.

  • @ryland9451
    @ryland9451 9 месяцев назад

    this was actually incredible, so insightful

  • @Miller_Time
    @Miller_Time 2 месяца назад

    Absolutely stellar video

  • @stevenrichardson4928
    @stevenrichardson4928 9 месяцев назад +4

    Again, a well done video. By the "middle part" are you referring to the third arm in the middle of the dummy? You were working with that third or middle arm during much of the video. It is a simulation of a low strike by the dummy from its centerline line to your centerline. During one exercise, you shifted your centerline off-center, removing your centerline as a target, and used the torque generated by that shift and the lowering of your body weight to attack that punch and a 2nd punch thrown higher.

  • @muayboran6111
    @muayboran6111 9 месяцев назад +5

    Here’s the thing, i think it translates to grappling more than striking. Of course with modifications

    • @renehinojosa1962
      @renehinojosa1962 9 месяцев назад

      Trapping can actually be used in grappling, standing and on the ground. My instructor, Larry Hartsell was probably the first guy to come up with entries from the clinch. This was decades ago, Google his books and you'll see what I mean. RIP Larry.

    • @pked9
      @pked9 9 месяцев назад

      @@renehinojosa1962 ... made up him self ? ...or ,...1000 yrs ago...if not 3000yrs , linage loss of info

    • @Wingzero90939
      @Wingzero90939 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah, especially the one where Seth towards the end was was shifting his weight, and the way his hands were going, shifting from one side to the other… I saw more grappling It reminded me of some set up for Judo throws.

    • @MrCmon113
      @MrCmon113 6 месяцев назад

      The modification is getting rid of the dummy and signing up for wrestling.
      Grapplers don't train like that either.
      Seeing a wing chun master go against a beginner greco roman or bjj guy would be just as comical as them going against boxers.

  • @michaelteret4763
    @michaelteret4763 9 месяцев назад +1

    Wow, what a great instructor! Respect.

  • @TheNinjaEveryDay
    @TheNinjaEveryDay 9 месяцев назад

    Great video!!

  • @nightshade7240
    @nightshade7240 9 месяцев назад +4

    When we had people learning swordsmanship for the first time, the place where the most skill and the most difficulty in understanding came into play was in the bind and more importantly understanding how pressure is an indicator of many things. Exert too much pressure, your opponent can monopolise. Exert too much pressure in the wrong way at the wrong time, same thing. It's actually comparatively easy to learn how to hit someone or something with a sword. It's not difficult to learn the various cuts and positions. it's all the little unspoken qualities that are the hardest to master and I think the dummy and wing chun itself are indicative of spending all your time mastering the unspoken elements. It's all those elements that come into play when you step away from the shadow learning and start properly drilling against an opponent and then sparring adds another layer of complexity because suddenly you've got all the elements like distance and timing and you have to put those up against your opponent's understanding of those things. It seems the dummy is an effective tool to teach people those things without needing to overwhelm them with too much information too quickly.

    • @MrCmon113
      @MrCmon113 6 месяцев назад

      No, it doesn't seem that way at all, because actual competitors don't train like that.
      People who train like that get their asses handed to them by fighters.
      And people don't "bind" with their limbs like that in a fight.
      If you wanna learn how to navigate around someone's limbs and grip fight then do wrestling.

  • @pauldwalker
    @pauldwalker 9 месяцев назад +5

    wing chun movement is useful training for judo players, in my opinion.

    • @yopomdpin6285
      @yopomdpin6285 9 месяцев назад +2

      I did both judo and wing chun. One day we had a mock judo vs wing chun sparring session with a friend.
      Sticky hands gave him a hard time to catch me ^^

  • @noelaxton4941
    @noelaxton4941 9 месяцев назад +1

    Loved the video! I bought my dummy about 3 years ago. Such a great tool to have and use. I used it last night for a lesson on structure in my class.
    Sifu Fong demonstrated with such proficiency and your adaptability was great. Love it!!

  • @PandoraChaser2
    @PandoraChaser2 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great education is the Dummy :) Glad you enjoyed your time there :) Cool video and respect to Sifu Fong

  • @williambrookings722
    @williambrookings722 9 месяцев назад +4

    You are probably starting to see why Wing Chun is so popular with martial arts geeks 😁

  • @ianmpena
    @ianmpena 9 месяцев назад +4

    Can you create a new comparison about different types of kickboxing style like Muay Thai and American kickboxing and sanda and Dutch kickboxing and savate

  • @alexhanning2692
    @alexhanning2692 9 месяцев назад +1

    Francis Fong was a great choice to demonstrate and teach this

  • @kahnnis
    @kahnnis 9 месяцев назад

    Sifu Fong is the real deal! great video!

  • @3nertia
    @3nertia 9 месяцев назад +3

    I never realized just how truly clever the design of the Wing Chun wooden dummy really is! WOW!

  • @williambrookings722
    @williambrookings722 9 месяцев назад +4

    When I first used a dummy I bruised my arms to hell but this was because I was focused on hitting the arms with my arms. Oddly when I changed to focus on using my whole body toward the body of the dummy it hurt a lot less and didn't bruise but I affected the dummy more. Punching the dummy is also good training as if you use good structure and relaxation it doesn't hurt your hand (if you don't it hurts like hell 😂)

  • @hunterlogan2913
    @hunterlogan2913 Месяц назад

    informational on a basic level showing where growth is developed... thanks ~

  • @marquisbean1752
    @marquisbean1752 8 месяцев назад

    This was so cool and very informative. More than anything... you learned a new PHILOSOPHY that can be integrated into other things you already know.

  • @watts18269
    @watts18269 9 месяцев назад +4

    I fucking love wing chun. It’s bizarre and hilarious watching people 180 on things so easily. Wing chun gets absolutely slagged to death online for years, a couple of RUclipsrs who people respect pop out a few videos and the same dickheads mocking the shit out of it are like hmm wing chun might actually work 🤔 lol maybe if you lot just actually got to training, in whatever you like to train in, instead of yer constant negative criticisms of stuff you’ve never tried, you’d be better martial artists, and more importantly, better human beings 😊

    • @AztecUnshaven
      @AztecUnshaven 9 месяцев назад +1

      1000 percent truth. Ignorance on the internet is rampant.

  • @belikewater2413
    @belikewater2413 9 месяцев назад +1

    Love to see a master ‘breath out’ their passion for their art… truly a very accomplished expert…

  • @kevinkong6653
    @kevinkong6653 9 месяцев назад

    Excellent video I learned a lot

  • @emaniwright5921
    @emaniwright5921 9 месяцев назад

    I am a novice at martial arts and I have always wondered how the wing chung dummy works but seeing this video definitely gives me a idea and I appreciate the heads up on this begaining instuction video lession. Thanks kevin and sifu instructors!

  • @hyde184
    @hyde184 9 месяцев назад +2

    Alright, you got me convinced, I'm going to join your membership

  • @chadbehrend1750
    @chadbehrend1750 5 месяцев назад

    One of the best and informative videos. Makes me wanna learn wing chun now. Great applications and trapping.

  • @JefCollier
    @JefCollier 9 месяцев назад +2

    I've been a big fan of both Seth and Kevin for years, but this is one of my favorite videos. I've practiced Japanese budo for 25ish years and I've always been fascinated by Wing Chun, but my experience is very superficial. This video was really good at really explaining those things that you just can't get from "seeing" a practitioner. You have to know those "secret" things that turn this into real techniques.

  • @Seer_Xaeo
    @Seer_Xaeo 3 месяца назад

    Really cool video, always wondered how these worked

  • @kayleeson509
    @kayleeson509 5 месяцев назад

    The grin on this instructor's face is priceless! A great instructor is always a delight to watch.

  • @mattrodriguez9386
    @mattrodriguez9386 9 месяцев назад +1

    I only got to do wing chin for a little bit but the various forms, practices, conditioning are really eye opening and give you a whole appreciation and understanding of it. One day I will have my own dummy but 😢 wish there were more places to practice

  • @joshuachristofferson9227
    @joshuachristofferson9227 9 месяцев назад

    MOAR Sifu's PLZ!

  • @TheFaustianMan
    @TheFaustianMan 9 месяцев назад +2

    Everybody: Have Fun Tonight!
    Seth: Everybody Wing Chun Tonight!

  • @tobydog898
    @tobydog898 9 месяцев назад

    Love the vids sensei

  • @josecoronadonieto6911
    @josecoronadonieto6911 Месяц назад

    Watching this while playing Sifu is Sick!!!!

  • @tonydragon784
    @tonydragon784 3 месяца назад

    Kevin locking in every time he needs to be the dummy is A+, dude looks terrified

  • @vumsang9746
    @vumsang9746 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you brother

  • @needhere
    @needhere 3 месяца назад

    great info thank u

  • @sifutenzsako2701
    @sifutenzsako2701 8 месяцев назад

    Sifu Fong!! I love his energy and approach to martial arts.

  • @Utahokinawanseidokankarate
    @Utahokinawanseidokankarate 9 месяцев назад +2

    I've seen college football strength and conditioning weight rooms with mook jong (wooden dummies). The coaches used them with their linemen specifically for the hand/arm position in-fighting for blocking and passing the blockers.

  • @vumsang9746
    @vumsang9746 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you brother i never got that much good much deeper any explanation before

  • @thetalantonx
    @thetalantonx 9 месяцев назад +1

    12:10 - Yes, completely. It's like the dummy is the doorway into the knowledge beyond it, you just need to learn to unlock it.

  • @levimaynard2237
    @levimaynard2237 9 месяцев назад

    fantastic!

  • @drumsticknuggets5123
    @drumsticknuggets5123 2 месяца назад

    Great video

  • @nurbaiti_hikaru
    @nurbaiti_hikaru 9 месяцев назад +1

    I once tried wooden dummy and wing chun movement, it was hard but interesting. Love your videos.

  • @charlottegoldman3580
    @charlottegoldman3580 2 месяца назад +1

    That low chop/block sifu did around 9:30. Yeah. I felt that man.

  • @jacksdad734
    @jacksdad734 9 месяцев назад

    This was cooler than I expected.

  • @temporaldisplacement
    @temporaldisplacement 9 месяцев назад +2

    Magic bone hardening: Micro-fractures heal with a material (I forget the name) that is more brittle/less flexible than live bone.
    It's silver(ish) in colour. There was a norse-man skeleton dug up from a bog who's skeleton was something silly like 25% healed bone material ...so his bone's were extremely hard.