I really enjoyed your technical breakdown of each kick. Just I prefer to call them Spinning Side Kick, Spinning Back Kick, Fake Side Kick (aka Rear Leg Side Kick). Rose Namajunas performs this kick in some of her MMA Fights :)
I think the best way to describe a strong side kick would be to imagine how to stomp at something on a wall to your side. When Joe does a really strong side kick, he does pick up his knee. The detail he misses is that his upper body is already turning sideways when he picks up his knee. So by the time the kick is loaded for the stomp, much of force is vectored towards the wall when the leg is extended.
That’s a really interesting observation you made at the end about how the way Joe teaches the kick is different than how he actually does it. Most people do this when trying to teach sports movements. In his book “Blink”, Malcom McDowell goes into thorough detail about this concept, after having studied tennis coaches teaching and then watching slow motion replays of them performing the movements. When the coaches were confronted with the video analysis, their reply was always “Well it FEELS like that’s what I’m doing!” It really made me take a very introspective look at my teaching methods, and I’d strongly recommend everyone teaching martial arts be willing to put aside what they were taught in favor of what actually happens in the real physical universe.
I think Icy Mike made a video about teaching the uppercut that had an interesting perspective on this paradoxical disconnect between "teaching" and "doing". His reasoning was to teach his student an exaggerated slow uppercut that was mostly a half squat and upward thrust, so they would learn correct muscle engagement. After the student understood that part, he would have them speed up and start getting the arm involved.
Yea I was actually taught the same way Joe was, his MA background and my Dads are pretty similar. It wasn’t until I saw one of Sensei Andos videos that it clicked for me, then I started watching mine back in videos (and Wonderboys of course) then I realized the way to start teaching it from now on!
@@SenseiSeth It's funny you mention Sensei Ando as I'm sure in his vid he teaches ( as he puts it) to "point your ass" at the target but is essentially the same way as you and Joe execute the kicks
That's a profound point, and I have also been aware of that for some time too. So if you're instructor/coach is telling you to do something a certain way, but it doesn't feel right, should you second guess your coach and do what feels better to you or do what feels to be more effective (assuming you have done all of the diligent research).
Joe Rogan's Taekwondo teacher is one of the original TKD masters. Old school TKD was power-oriented. He mentioned his teacher hated Olympic style TKD with all the flippy kick stuff. For those fortunate to learn old school TKD, this is what they learned. When you kicked something or someone, you meant to break it.
Feels sad to read this. I think a lot of taekwondo kicks have a solid place in MMA, don’t believe me check out the spinning hook kick KOs. Unfortunately they’re no longer taught the same way.
Yep. But TKD is not complete from the start so even if it is a very good martial art, it misses close range efficiency which will be used 70% of the time in a ring fight, that is why there are so little pro fighter that were only taught tkd as striking technique. And this tendency to do over spinning and flying kicks or any over the top shit applies to so many other martial arts nowadays. The point of this is to mesmerize the non practitioners as you want more people to register to your school and make more money at the end of the day ... so yeah, you are going to go flashy. Same goes for Shaolin Kung Fu and many others kung-fu schools. Only war will make people focus on efficiency, in time of peace, you want entertainment.
GSP can be the most polite, friendliest, chillest, most down to earth person in the world, and to me he is. But imagining him as an average person and has a degree in Paleontology (as he discussed in a GQ video on what he would've pursued if an MMA career wasn't what he picked), and at best only has sparring as fighting experience... not gonna lie, that's hard to imagine. Dude's a badass!
It’s his TKD base. I’m a 2nd Dan in TKD (ITF) and it was my 1st love. I moved on to kickboxing and my kicks are still more powerful than those that have only practiced kickboxing. It’s just the technique we were taught.
I agree with you man. Tkd is really good for foundation, if you shifted to Muaythai, it's easier to learn the legwork. And no karateka will admit that TKD kicks are more accurate and effective.
Not to mention just the sheer amount of time spent training different uses of each kick. That makes a big difference between someone who throws probably 5,000 kicks a day compared to another person who might do a couple hundred. But yes of course the more properly you perform the movement the more powerful it will be as well.
In some video tutorials Joe talks about the knee vs the foot raising. He stated he raises the foot to get his power right away. But the traditional way is to raise the knee then turn the foot. So really you both agree.
Since watching this, I have watched so many sidekick tutorials on RUclips. So many people teach it with that knee chambered in front, and no-one throws it that way at speed, even when they teach it that way. This has changed the way I practice my sidekick (and now in my 60s my hips don't do what they used to anyway!). Thank you!! Ramsey Dewey described this as one of the most important videos you've ever done. I agree.
@@simonrcarson I've also noticed that Bill "Superfoot" Wallace and Wonderboy both advocate a "universal chamber" from a sideways stance that can easily turn into either a sidekick, hook, or roundhouse (to keep them guessing) - so the knee goes up much more sideways and like Seth (and Ando) advocate as opposed to what Joe Rogan instructs (but not what he does!).
@@SenseiSeth I have seen side kicks work in kickboxing,taekwondo and other karate styles,MMA,K-1,San Shou,street fights.Karate champion Joe Lewis who trained with Bruce in Jeet Kune Do also one of his favorite kicks is the side kick and he was winning tournaments for years after training with Bruce and two of Bruce Lee's favorite kicks was the side kick especially to the knee and skipping side kick he used on O'Hara in Enter the Dragon.Don the Dragon Wilson used it alot Kickboxers,Savate people,Karate people,Sanda and Sanshou,Jeet Kune Do people use it so where do you get that they do not work maybe for people like you it don't and Ramsey Doofie but for hundreds of other people it does.Watch people like Hwang Jang Lee,Casanova Wong, Tan Tao Liang-Flash Legs,Donnie Yen doing Taekwondo on RUclips when they were young.
I think he emphasizes the knee up to correct the common mistake of people keeping their knee too low for a side kick. IDK I suck at both Side and Back kicks, I am chubby with no chubby surprise
@Joe Mamania He turns his hip and body more for that, making it more of a back kick. You can see it in his video. I often pick my knee up too, and it can be done with the correct timing or using it in a combination
Coming from a TKD background, the straight chamber is a good learning tool for dexterity in balance. I think learning it in those steps helps until you eventually feel comfortable to chamber quickly back, but I totally get that it could be cut out as well. I also like mixing side kicks with teeps to confuse the range, and throwing a front side kick with the back foot tends to need a chamber that's pulled straight up and then twisted.
I remember being taught the side kick like this in hapkido when I was a kid. The explanation givennby the instructor for knee up first was not for generating more power, but rather for creating misdirection. At least the way the instructor taught front, side and roundhouse kicks, the first movement was always knee up, so the opponent does not know if you are telegraphing front side or roundhouse.
You know what’s also great for confusing your opponent? Throwing the kick fast enough so they can’t process what you’re doing, and also disguising it with another combination E.g. if I want to throw a front kick, I’m not just gonna throw the front kick first, I’ll throw some punches and then the kick
I feel like it's important to note that Joe taught the movement the way anyone should. Breaking it into individual steps, that are easy to understand, and practice. Almost any kick you teach will be broken down in this kind of manner, but I would argue that most look a bit different when you put the steps together in a way that is fluid and quick. I would also argue that practicing those steps individually isn't wasted motion or energy, but for beginners is building the foundational strength, balance, and mobility needed to execute the proper motion correctly. For example, another instance of this is how stances inside of karate will rarely be seen being executed in a fight the way we practice them, but you will see fluid movement that resembles them though, and gaining strength and balance through the execution of those stances is understood to be the benefit, whether they are exact or not. Regardless, I respect your opinion on the overall form.
Thank you for being the only person in this comment thread that understands understands martial arts training. Used to kinda like this guy but now his stuff just feels like click bait titles all the time. Shame.
What I've found for both myself and people I've taught the sidekick to... There's a strong tendency to not lift the knee very much when throwing the kick fast, especially under pressure. Practising a high knee lift in basics helps to ensure you get at least some lift when it counts. The horizontal knee chamber seems to sort itself out in practice, almost automatically... whereas deliberately pulling the knee back can actually make the overall movement a bit crap.
This. There are also a lot of movements in TKD that require an opposite chamber (knee out, foot in) like the tornado kick or the spinning side kick, which is when the whole "egg beater" concept comes into play. Being comfortable with tilting your hip to the side you need from a centered chamber isn't a detriment.
The dropping the arm for momentum is an interesting topic. When J trained TKD, I would tell our students to not drop their guard, because they'd drop the arm right before they threw the big kick and it was easy to read.
In Taekwondo, we chamber a sidekick like Joe teaches as a deception. All your kicks chamber the same way so you opponent has a harder time reading it. That being said, the sidekick doesn't really start at that chamber, you should bring up the knee, then pull the knee to the should, getting full compression of the spring(leg) before extending it
@Doug Sawyer i really don't think you have any room to be making fun of someone's appearance OT. Mainly because you look like you are at least 2 days older than dirt
I like the breakdown. I've been throwing kicks for a long long time and it was a good catch. If you're going to chamber your knee in, it should be towards the rear shoulder. You could even turn your lead shoulder in to compress your body more and then launch the leg out while completing the rear foot pivot. I won't say sidekicks don't work, but rather sidekicks are risky.
@@jesseg94 ? you can throw side kicks low infact one of the best ways to push a persons knee cap side ways is stomping a side kick through the opponents leg lol!
@@roberonin7400 yeah but Bruce was talking about more of high to mid sidekick where it leaves you exposed for a grappler unless you're very fast. But yeah the sidekick to the knee Bruce mentioned in a show actually. Lol. Where he explains a side kick to the nearest object being the knee would be very effective
@@roberonin7400 Bruce only did flashy kicks in his movies just for that. The flash and get attention from viewers. At the time it was not common to see kicks be executed with such speed and good form and flexibility. In his Jeet kune do book he mentions not overextending yourself to give your opponent a chance to counter. He was also very aware of grapplers like wrestlers and joy jitsu practitioners even though there weren't as many as there are now.
Omg that tip about having hips in front of the feet is a GAME CHANGER. my kicks always send me flying backwards. I adore slow motion biomechanical breakdowns you are a hero
@@MyCommentsRMaturelol Try work on pulling the kick back just as fast as it goes out sometimes. It won't be as powerful as extending through, but not every shot has to be a power shot. Doing this will pull your centre of mass closer to you quicker making you less likely to fall forward. Less likely to get your foot caught too!
Great video and I completely agree that Joe Rogan does indeed have excellent kicks. What you said Mr. Seth about picking the leg up first is true. For beginners it’s a great learning tool but your hips and knee should almost lift off the ground like you’re using your energy and momentum of the floor and just snap the side kick out. Once you get very good at it you will see a slight chamber but it will be so quick most won’t notice. Scott Adkins has a great tutorial on the side kick as well. For those who are interested 👍🏾
maybe you should listen to the audio, since he picks up his knee the first time to explain that you shouldn't have your knee pointed down for a side kick, not saying that you should pick the knee up first and load it up first for a side kick.
Totally agree with the side kick, I always pull my knee in to my other shoulder loading it like a sling shot so I can extend with my glutes in the end of the strike
@@SenseiSeth in the beginning that is how to learn in. After you advance you should learn to throw it from anywhere without a chamber. Loading it up every time is not good, it telegraphs it. It will have more power, but it's never going to hit anyone
Joe's kicks are top shelf. I've seen in person,and the punches not so much as they don't have the same snap to them. But his kicks are deadly. If he'd agree to box you, you might have a chance.
@@williammills5093 he started in Kenpo first then switchwd to JH Kims. Then his kicks really improved.. i could barely hold my 130 lb sawdust filled heavy bag when hed kick it - and he was only 15. But his self confidence was his best asset..he was like a 30 year old, it was amazing...
Spot on. Pull the knee to the opposite shoulder to load the torso, then let it unwind. I’ve found side kicks to be very effective, especially as a set-up or dummy.
Sensei seth: "its more powerful to chamber not to throw them like a baseball bat" Also sensei seth: "you should swing your round kick like a baseball bat because they chamber the bat"
@@SenseiSeth, the explanation that clicked for me touched on the physics involved: if each link in the kinematic chain is in motion before the next one starts moving, the terminal segment gets the benefit of every phase of acceleration - like sitting on the hood of a moving car and throwing a fastball. (knee= car, foot = ball) this is also how the tip of a whip can literally reach Mach 2.
@@doctaflo I see the whip, but I couldn't get over throwing a fast ball with any hopes of it truly being a fast ball when trying it in seated position on a sporty moving vehicle. A little too visual.
@@bakerfresh, also, i hear you; not sure why that made it come together in my head-it’s someone else’s sloppy metaphor. maybe the stacked, discardable booster phases of a NASA rocket is better.
Just dropping a note of encouragement: I really enjoy your presentation style! You're always informative and entertaining, I dig your sense of humour, and you are incredibly consistent across your content (I'm late to the Sensei Seth party, so I've been watching old vids and new ones in no particular order). It's obvious you've been teaching for a long time, because I don't get the sense you're adopting a "persona" or playing a role in your videos (except for the skits, which are absolute gold); instead, it's always Seth doing what Seth does. Love it.
I really respect you keeping the Wonderboy bop in your intro. All of it from your legit skills to your self-deprecating humor makes for a very good introduction.
I like joe Rogan a lot, I used to train with him three times a week at the old bomb squad back in the day. That being said, he’s just a guy, nothing mysterious
He has a video from 2020 where he throws a regular leg kick to a machine and he kicks harder then kickboxing champ joe schilling. His kicks definitely work.
The way I was taught to kick was to count 4 steps on the kicking leg. Step 1, lift the knee. Step 2, extend the lower leg in a snapping motion at your target. Step 3, bring the lower leg back in to a knee position. Step 4, step the kicking leg back to its original position. The rest is just about the angles you use for the different kinds of kicks, but most kicks follow the same concept of the 4 steps. So I THINK that Joe didn't quite explain that what we had demonstrated slowly was the basis of most kicks by lifting the knee first, but didn't specify that to perform the kick the way he actually delivers it that you need to bring the knee to that angled position instead of it being straight up and down. I think that most people would probably naturally do it the right way once the technique is sped up to full speed/power once they understand the concept of kicking in general. I hope anything I said made any kind of sense, LOL!
I honestly wish I heard you say that about side kicks months ago. I do the whole lift your knee first. Side kicks are my weakest. I am going to try it how you explained tomorrow!
I think one of the main reasons that Joe has such incredible hip movment is due to his 10th planet BJJ style...you have to have alot of strentgh and flexibility in your hips and abductors just doing the rubber guard
Have to agree, the only thing this guy's rewarded with for this video are views and collected comments that add into RUclips's algorithm, and whatever the combo is that would make him money off this video. I swear youtube is turning into a streaming service of pyramid scammers... As much as I don't agree with Joe Rogan at times, like exactly how he does his sidekick, this whole "Sidekicks don't work" speel just tells me the Karate Teacher doesn't know how to properly do a non-telegraph sidekick.
As I said, I also teach thaiboxing, and not everything needs to be taught exactly how it's done in real life. I think it's important to emphasize different key points so the student can FEEL the movement correctly. I always tell my students "Ensin pitää tietää mihin on menossa, ennen kuin voi oikaista." it's Finnish and translates to "to take a shortcut, you must first know where you're going."
I am so glad I watched this. I kept doing reps very slowly in the air with my knee up first, then I would throw them for power at normal speed and my knee would always end up shooting back towards my rear shoulder instead. Glad to know that it isn't just me but Joe does it too. The real problem is people who straight up keep their knee down the whole time so they side kick upwards.
I sometimes think of the foot as the rock/boulder/weight at the end of a ballista. Where it comes crashing around, as the hip throws the knee around. Same way the shin will come around.
I feel like he just teaches it the way it was taught to him. But once actually performed it never looks exactly like when the form is practiced. Kinda like kata... Maybe
A bit from age. There are other side kick and back videos were he executes the kick that way. Its good for deception. I find its not the knee raised that exactly does it, but it helps when executing up to and over your head...but the power from any chamber is having it close to your hip. Like the extra power of a punch coming from the push of your shoulder. Sides and punches are extremely similar in there mechanics.
@Gandalfdawytenigga i remember smacking this other guy in class. He was like 22 and had went a little hard on this low belt 14yo and made him cry. After holding up an axe kick and telling him to not come in he tossed my foot away. It don't take much with a back kick, especially when they rush in. Pretty much over, even with pads. It was only 60 percent...sometimes the best way to understand is to NOT listen.
Muscle memory. His natural body style doesnt match what his brain thinks it does. This is normal. Once you actively do something often your brain calibrates it to be the best form and shape for you. Especially when you have great balance training and flexibility, already.
Interesting. I think what it comes down to is that being able to do something and being able to teach something are different skills. I imagine Joe is trying to teach what he THINKS he is doing to the best of his ability, rather than trying to deceive the viewer for whatever reason
Lol. The ending. They need to teach algorithms in school, since its online these days lol. 🤷♂️ Joe's gonna watch this an be like, "damn I teach my kicks differently than I actually do them". Nice detective work batman, I mean sir Adam's 👍 . I like funny, and kicking, you are both 😃💪🙏✌
Glad I found Seth and his sarcasm but more importantly the technique. Actually all of those are the same. What an enjoyable experience having you butt handed to you by a guy with a dope sense of humor. I'm hurt and bleeding and we both just laaaaughing
Talking about Rogan cambering his roundhouse kick a good example that would help with his power would be relating it to figure skating, when they spin they will pull in their arms and the spin speed increases, much the same effect would take place here. Rogan starts small and this allows a faster initial rotation and extends at the end bringing that initial velocity with it much like a whip. It's very much about timing when to start to extend so that you reach full extension at impact, too soon and you loose velocity, too late and you miss out on full impact. This is where Rogan shines due to his decades of practice he has that skill and timing down to an art form, this is what is impressive as it is easy to pick up bad habits when doing the same thing for some time and considering how long Rogan has been at it shows a great dedication to perfecting a great strike (Not saying it's perfect but rather him striving for that)
These are all my styles for the game No Style Punch, punch, punch, front kick M2 Slam with hands Karate Roundhouse kick high, low,backfist body, punch to the body M2 karate chop Boxing Jab, cross, hook, uppercut M2 Jab barrage Taekwondo Punch, roundhouse kick, hook kick, back kick M2 tornado kick Wrestling Punch, punch, push kick, push, M2 Bodyslam Knees and back bent Kickboxing Punch, sidekick, punch, jumping front kick M2 back kick Muay Thai Punch, elbow, roundhouse, knee M2 Flying Knee MMA Jab, back fist, roundhouse kick, hook M2 takedown i know this is long but what are your thoughts? this is for a game that i am making
AKJ sidekick... side stance has heels pointed first while knee stays downward and heel is driven rather than lifted towards the target. Knee stays pointed down as heel drives directly into target. It lengthens the distance while creates a more powerful kick. The only time we raise the knee is for higher than sternum kicking is used. Not a back kick as guard still faces opponent.
The way you talked about throwing a side kick is exactly how we were taught to throw a side kick in the ATA. The only reason your knee would come up is if you were about to throw downward kick towards someone’s knee ankle etc.
Taekwondo was my first striking style. When I first started training at an mma gym and started learning the thai round kick, it took some practice. But eventually, I thought to try and combine the 2. I'd take the step to open the hips, lift the leg with a slight chamber, and extend the leg just before contact to increase momentum and power into the target. When I first did this kick with a more recent coach holding pads, he was surprised cuz he saw the chamber, and still felt the power behind it. Was a cool moment for me. Lol.
Sense I Seth, I was a sidekick fanatic and your video description is exactly what made me rely merely on front push kick ( Muay Thai Style), I can only agree with you sir, Oss Sensei Rock
This is an issue I've taken with martial arts coaches for years. No one throws a strong roundhouse with a straight leg. You can only rotate so fast with your leg at full extension. Weight closer to the rotation point allows faster rotation. You throw it like a whip. The end of a whip moves faster than a bat by miles, and it does so by uncoiling at the end of the motion.
That sweat acts as a lube between him and the ground thus speeding up his acceleration on his side kick thus amping up the power of his side kick only a man like him can do it like that
He's a really humble guy and I've seen videos of him sparring UFC guys he's a big dude and has incredible kicking agility. Didn't come across as salty at all to me just as someone who loves martial arts.
@@SenseiSeth No worries, love watching your stuff, I'm 235lbs and 6ft and seeing a bigger dude able to pull off the more athletic kicks is cool, means I've no excuses now really lol
I think you made a very important point . To paraphrase just because someone's good at something doesn't mean they're good at teaching it . Everything from martial arts to musicianship . I've encountered much of both over the years . God vid .
My teacher right now is when he teaches the sidekick he teaches it in the snappy way and not in the way of the sethryu (the one and only way is of course the sethryu or way of the seth) so I kicked him. (I didn't actually kicked him, just making sure everyone understand) #snappysnappysidekicksdon'twork
@@kbanghartNo, side snap kick does not use hips (if you turn then it obviously does but the kick is not very powerful either way). The "first bring up your knee" is there just for learning separate movements of the kick so you can focus just on one thing at time. You'll obviously need to somehow lift you leg, set your body in a correct position and correctly outstrech your leg. So you practice these 3 movements separately. When performing the kick you really never bring up your knee first and only then do the rest. In reality you start with lifting your knee and just a brief moment later (it is nearly the same time but there is a tiny delay) you start with setting your body in a correct position (while doing this you are still lifting your leg at the same time) and then you start with outstreching your leg to perform the kick it naturally. The timing is the key and it can't be really described. One needs to feel it. For timing you practice a kick slowly and speed up when you got it. Keage is useful only to kick someone to chin, maybe crotch. ruclips.net/video/IFj5tPU0Usw/видео.html
@@kkarx ok I think I know what you're talking about. Recently my sensei, who has been to Okinawa a few times and is also in contact with a few high-level Dans here in our area, was explaining the difference between the Japanese sidekick and the Okinawan sidekick. So we are working on those differences.
I think that last example both Seth and Joe are right in their explanations of the kick. His kick is executed differently not cause he brings his front knee towards his rear shoulder, like Seth says, but instead it's because he's moving his lower half/hips/pelvis in front of his back foot farther, quicker. Meanwhile his leg is still coming up towards the way he was teaching it. In other words, it's perceived as bringing his leg closer to his rear (which could lose you power without proper timing), but instead it's just his lower half moving closer to give the illusion that he's pulling his leg back farther. This way he doesn't need to contract those leg muscles just before extending them. It's more fluid.
as a person who used to have strong kicks like this. it surprises me that people forget the basics of gaining power with flashy stuff. i weigh a wet 120, and 80 pound bags would get tossed around. i kicked so fucking hard, people wouldnt let me use their bags beccause i was "ruining them" by leaving creases, or just straight removing them from the ceiling. but a 120 pound bag was nice, because you could focus power and the bag doesnt move as much. you get a good grasp of when you are hitting hard when the bag doesnt move away. kicking the bottom of an 80 pound back and having it hit the ceiling sucks. but with a 120 pound bag it only hopped a little bit. so the question i have for all of you. how heavy do you think the bags they are using are?
About Joe Rogan practicing the kick and applying it differently: There is a difference between practicing the basic fundamentals and their practical application. For instance when your taught how to drive, you have to follow all the rules to pass, but when you are in the road you can leave some of the rules behind for better adaptation of the road. Poetry and language is the same. This in fact applies to Karate more than any other martial arts. In Katas for instance, each and every basic movement is miles apart from how they are being applied. The point here is that the basic movement being taught, enables a person not to drift so far away from it when being performed than when not learning the basic movement at all. Also, TMA basics are usually made to be practiced in a much harder form so that when you apply them in real combat in their easier form they become faster and more swift
@Real Aiglon take for instance when learning the cross punch focused on the right technique, for a beginner, they are taught to stand still but when applying it, they will be told to do that while moving forward or backward or combine it with other movements to make it better and less predictable.
Knee up first is for points based sport karate, you can sacrifice power to disguise the kick, from knee up it can still be a straight, round, side, hook kick or even just feint, chosen at the last second. Power doesn't really matter in this case because points will be scored from a light touch. If you bring foot up first, you signal its a side kick and have less options to score. In a full contact scenario where power matters; foot first is faster has more power and prevents the opponent charging in on your kick so is the better technique.
If you like the way I break down kicks, you should check out my courses!
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You do know that the bat kick extends just later, don’t you hahah
I really enjoyed your technical breakdown of each kick. Just I prefer to call them Spinning Side Kick, Spinning Back Kick, Fake Side Kick (aka Rear Leg Side Kick). Rose Namajunas performs this kick in some of her MMA Fights :)
Yea, names are just names!
I think the best way to describe a strong side kick would be to imagine how to stomp at something on a wall to your side.
When Joe does a really strong side kick, he does pick up his knee. The detail he misses is that his upper body is already turning sideways when he picks up his knee. So by the time the kick is loaded for the stomp, much of force is vectored towards the wall when the leg is extended.
Sensei Seth, do you ride a Hayabusa?
It honestly doesn't matter how you teach/throw a side kick cause everybody knows......side kicks don't work!
Of course everyone knows this 😶. Seriously tho wonderboy can't wait to see that belt around your waist this year. Much love bro 🥋
Hahaha side kicks ONLY work if you’re Joe Rogan
@@SenseiSeth or wonderboy lol
Oh yea he’s pretty good at it
@@eggsiclefishstick5569 Or me..........WHEN I KICK ICY MIKE IN THE LIVER!!!
That’s a really interesting observation you made at the end about how the way Joe teaches the kick is different than how he actually does it. Most people do this when trying to teach sports movements. In his book “Blink”, Malcom McDowell goes into thorough detail about this concept, after having studied tennis coaches teaching and then watching slow motion replays of them performing the movements. When the coaches were confronted with the video analysis, their reply was always “Well it FEELS like that’s what I’m doing!” It really made me take a very introspective look at my teaching methods, and I’d strongly recommend everyone teaching martial arts be willing to put aside what they were taught in favor of what actually happens in the real physical universe.
I think Icy Mike made a video about teaching the uppercut that had an interesting perspective on this paradoxical disconnect between "teaching" and "doing". His reasoning was to teach his student an exaggerated slow uppercut that was mostly a half squat and upward thrust, so they would learn correct muscle engagement. After the student understood that part, he would have them speed up and start getting the arm involved.
Yea I was actually taught the same way Joe was, his MA background and my Dads are pretty similar. It wasn’t until I saw one of Sensei Andos videos that it clicked for me, then I started watching mine back in videos (and Wonderboys of course) then I realized the way to start teaching it from now on!
@@SenseiSeth It's funny you mention Sensei Ando as I'm sure in his vid he teaches (
as he puts it) to "point your ass" at the target but is essentially the same way as you and Joe execute the kicks
That's a profound point, and I have also been aware of that for some time too. So if you're instructor/coach is telling you to do something a certain way, but it doesn't feel right, should you second guess your coach and do what feels better to you or do what feels to be more effective (assuming you have done all of the diligent research).
Hey coach, how’s it going?
"Jamie, pull up that video of that guy talking about my kicks. Just search 'James Krause lookalike talking about sidekicks'".
I laughed at this comment.... Then saw your username.... not suprised.
Hahahaha
Lol.... Jamie, pull up that video of me kicking that guy in half after he said my side kick wont work!! 😎😂😂😂
Jamie, pull up that guy that doesn’t get jokes
My bad Master Seth. It was probably the DMT... Rogan has done so much i think i might have got a second hand high? I really do enjoy your content!
Joe Rogan's Taekwondo teacher is one of the original TKD masters. Old school TKD was power-oriented. He mentioned his teacher hated Olympic style TKD with all the flippy kick stuff. For those fortunate to learn old school TKD, this is what they learned. When you kicked something or someone, you meant to break it.
taekwondo before standardization into the wtf and itf
This is very interesting. Thank you for this fun fact my friend. 🍻
Feels sad to read this. I think a lot of taekwondo kicks have a solid place in MMA, don’t believe me check out the spinning hook kick KOs. Unfortunately they’re no longer taught the same way.
Yep. But TKD is not complete from the start so even if it is a very good martial art, it misses close range efficiency which will be used 70% of the time in a ring fight, that is why there are so little pro fighter that were only taught tkd as striking technique. And this tendency to do over spinning and flying kicks or any over the top shit applies to so many other martial arts nowadays. The point of this is to mesmerize the non practitioners as you want more people to register to your school and make more money at the end of the day ... so yeah, you are going to go flashy. Same goes for Shaolin Kung Fu and many others kung-fu schools. Only war will make people focus on efficiency, in time of peace, you want entertainment.
"Let's pretend GSP is just an average person" I almost spat out my drink
Hahaha
I DID!
Average guy who needs help doing kicks.
GSP can be the most polite, friendliest, chillest, most down to earth person in the world, and to me he is. But imagining him as an average person and has a degree in Paleontology (as he discussed in a GQ video on what he would've pursued if an MMA career wasn't what he picked), and at best only has sparring as fighting experience... not gonna lie, that's hard to imagine. Dude's a badass!
GSP, is just on another level.
😁😁😁😁
Also, can we take a moment to acknowledge that Joe Rogan is throwing full power round kicks... IN JEANS! 👖
Lol they aren't normal jeans. He's talked about them before. I think it's barbell jeans
Not jeans.stretchy pants that look like jeans.barbell jeans.
They are vintage Chuck Norris Action Jeans 🤣
And he is 500 years old 😂
Thats cause there barbell jeans link in description they look like jeans feel like sweat pants
Yeahhhhh, side kicks are okay... But have you ever smoked DMT
🤣
Most underrated comment in the thread.
It's fucking wild...
Sidekicks I mean
Side kicks defintly dont work when your on dmt.that much i do know
It’s his TKD base. I’m a 2nd Dan in TKD (ITF) and it was my 1st love. I moved on to kickboxing and my kicks are still more powerful than those that have only practiced kickboxing. It’s just the technique we were taught.
Technique can bring you a long way
Even in bed😏
You can clearly tell a martial artist with a TKD background by how clean they kick and the speed of such. Even if they have learnt other arts
yeh i have basically the same thing but i went from tkd to muay thai
I agree with you man. Tkd is really good for foundation, if you shifted to Muaythai, it's easier to learn the legwork. And no karateka will admit that TKD kicks are more accurate and effective.
Not to mention just the sheer amount of time spent training different uses of each kick. That makes a big difference between someone who throws probably 5,000 kicks a day compared to another person who might do a couple hundred. But yes of course the more properly you perform the movement the more powerful it will be as well.
In some video tutorials Joe talks about the knee vs the foot raising. He stated he raises the foot to get his power right away. But the traditional way is to raise the knee then turn the foot. So really you both agree.
Since watching this, I have watched so many sidekick tutorials on RUclips. So many people teach it with that knee chambered in front, and no-one throws it that way at speed, even when they teach it that way. This has changed the way I practice my sidekick (and now in my 60s my hips don't do what they used to anyway!). Thank you!! Ramsey Dewey described this as one of the most important videos you've ever done. I agree.
Riiiiigght? It’s a big move. I learned this from Sensei Ando! Thanks my friend
Yep - Ando's was one of the ones I watched. It's great that knowledgeable folk like you and him are willing to share.
@@simonrcarson I've also noticed that Bill "Superfoot" Wallace and Wonderboy both advocate a "universal chamber" from a sideways stance that can easily turn into either a sidekick, hook, or roundhouse (to keep them guessing) - so the knee goes up much more sideways and like Seth (and Ando) advocate as opposed to what Joe Rogan instructs (but not what he does!).
@@SenseiSeth I have seen side kicks work in kickboxing,taekwondo and other karate styles,MMA,K-1,San Shou,street fights.Karate champion Joe Lewis who trained with Bruce in Jeet Kune Do also one of his favorite kicks is the side kick and he was winning tournaments for years after training with Bruce and two of Bruce Lee's favorite kicks was the side kick especially to the knee and skipping side kick he used on O'Hara in Enter the Dragon.Don the Dragon Wilson used it alot Kickboxers,Savate people,Karate people,Sanda and Sanshou,Jeet Kune Do people use it so where do you get that they do not work maybe for people like you it don't and Ramsey Doofie but for hundreds of other people it does.Watch people like Hwang Jang Lee,Casanova Wong, Tan Tao Liang-Flash Legs,Donnie Yen doing Taekwondo on RUclips when they were young.
@@shawnsmith2610 it's a joke bro
I think he emphasizes the knee up to correct the common mistake of people keeping their knee too low for a side kick. IDK I suck at both Side and Back kicks, I am chubby with no chubby surprise
Maybe but look at how Wonderboy throws them.
Maybe because a lot of noobs don't know yet how important it is to keep your knee up. More advanced people should already know.
Good point.
@Joe Mamania nope, still keeps the knee down
@Joe Mamania He turns his hip and body more for that, making it more of a back kick. You can see it in his video. I often pick my knee up too, and it can be done with the correct timing or using it in a combination
Coming from a TKD background, the straight chamber is a good learning tool for dexterity in balance. I think learning it in those steps helps until you eventually feel comfortable to chamber quickly back, but I totally get that it could be cut out as well. I also like mixing side kicks with teeps to confuse the range, and throwing a front side kick with the back foot tends to need a chamber that's pulled straight up and then twisted.
I remember being taught the side kick like this in hapkido when I was a kid. The explanation givennby the instructor for knee up first was not for generating more power, but rather for creating misdirection. At least the way the instructor taught front, side and roundhouse kicks, the first movement was always knee up, so the opponent does not know if you are telegraphing front side or roundhouse.
Exactly what I was taught in karate. Not necessarily the best for power, but works a treat in a fight (sparring) to keep the opponent guessing.
You know what’s also great for confusing your opponent?
Throwing the kick fast enough so they can’t process what you’re doing, and also disguising it with another combination
E.g. if I want to throw a front kick, I’m not just gonna throw the front kick first, I’ll throw some punches and then the kick
“Spinning kicks don’t work!”
RUclips: “top 100 UFC spinning kick knockouts” suggested videos right under this one lol
"Spinning kicks don't work" - Jake "knocked out by spinning wheel kick" Ellenburger
You should try ONE. Much better martial arts action.
How do you and 102 other people not realize he said side kicks?
@@Criesto137 was just thinking that 🤦🏼♂️
@@danielwenzel8347 Hey at least it explains a lot about the internet and the people on it.
Being able to do something really well is not the same thing as being able to teach something really well (or even explaining your process) clearly.
Truuuuuyyth
Wasn’t he teaching at Boston college?
@@DoseOfReality308 Yes.
They're incredibly different things.
True
I feel like it's important to note that Joe taught the movement the way anyone should. Breaking it into individual steps, that are easy to understand, and practice. Almost any kick you teach will be broken down in this kind of manner, but I would argue that most look a bit different when you put the steps together in a way that is fluid and quick. I would also argue that practicing those steps individually isn't wasted motion or energy, but for beginners is building the foundational strength, balance, and mobility needed to execute the proper motion correctly. For example, another instance of this is how stances inside of karate will rarely be seen being executed in a fight the way we practice them, but you will see fluid movement that resembles them though, and gaining strength and balance through the execution of those stances is understood to be the benefit, whether they are exact or not. Regardless, I respect your opinion on the overall form.
Thank you for being the only person in this comment thread that understands understands martial arts training. Used to kinda like this guy but now his stuff just feels like click bait titles all the time. Shame.
Lol this videos a year old
@@SenseiSeth but the video is still here... 🤔
What I've found for both myself and people I've taught the sidekick to...
There's a strong tendency to not lift the knee very much when throwing the kick fast, especially under pressure.
Practising a high knee lift in basics helps to ensure you get at least some lift when it counts.
The horizontal knee chamber seems to sort itself out in practice, almost automatically...
whereas deliberately pulling the knee back can actually make the overall movement a bit crap.
This. There are also a lot of movements in TKD that require an opposite chamber (knee out, foot in) like the tornado kick or the spinning side kick, which is when the whole "egg beater" concept comes into play. Being comfortable with tilting your hip to the side you need from a centered chamber isn't a detriment.
GSP through and landed that kick on Matt Hughes right after Joe Rogan taught him how to do it. Lol
Joe Rogan eats senzu beans and harnesses his chi. His power level appears to be over 9,000.
What....... OVER 9000!!!!! Impossible, you must be reading it wrong 😎
DMT Beans.
I laughed pretty dang hard at “8 million DMTs per unit...”. 😂🤣
For somebody who's "never watched a joe rogan video" sure does know alot about him.. 🧂
@@justinbrahm6989 bruh.
The dropping the arm for momentum is an interesting topic. When J trained TKD, I would tell our students to not drop their guard, because they'd drop the arm right before they threw the big kick and it was easy to read.
Just set up the kick with more boxing
That Joe Rogan guy should start a podcast...
Idk... He seems like the kind of guy who would start a podcast and then when it gets really popular he would sell it to spotify ?? 😎
@@dustencross357 its a licensing agreement, still all his podcast
@@paulmallon8823 joke... Dose not have to be factual
@@dustencross357 seems less like a joke and more of a jab
@@paulmallon8823 not so much.. I like the jre.. Not ment as a jab
In Taekwondo, we chamber a sidekick like Joe teaches as a deception. All your kicks chamber the same way so you opponent has a harder time reading it. That being said, the sidekick doesn't really start at that chamber, you should bring up the knee, then pull the knee to the should, getting full compression of the spring(leg) before extending it
“Side kicks don’t work” Jon Jones has entered the chat
Superfoot Bill Wallace? Side kick King
For some reason, I read that as, "Joe Jonas has entered the chat."
Hahahah
Bringing the knee up first is just a good way to teach the concept of a side kick
Everyone talks about How Rogan king of kicks but nobody talks about Charlie Zelenoff king of boxing.
😂😂😂😂😂😂. I thought it was Jake Paul
Palooka
Even when Charlie Zelenoff loses a fight, he wins.
Otherwise nobody would talk about him at all.
That's all that needs be said.
@Doug Sawyer i really don't think you have any room to be making fun of someone's appearance OT. Mainly because you look like you are at least 2 days older than dirt
@Doug Sawyer that's ok.... At least im not like 2 day's away from the grave father time! Garbage don't look this good!😎 Btw what was Jesus like
I see the Hayabusa Marvels in the background. Don’t be shy now, let’s see the review.
Sooooon!
@@SenseiSeth please do! I want the Panther gloves!
I like the breakdown. I've been throwing kicks for a long long time and it was a good catch. If you're going to chamber your knee in, it should be towards the rear shoulder. You could even turn your lead shoulder in to compress your body more and then launch the leg out while completing the rear foot pivot. I won't say sidekicks don't work, but rather sidekicks are risky.
"Side kicks don't work."
Bruce Lee is cussing you from the grave!
Bruce Lee actually agrees from what i remember. in his fight book he mentions low kicks being more effective.
@@jesseg94 ? you can throw side kicks low infact one of the best ways to push a persons knee cap side ways is stomping a side kick through the opponents leg lol!
@@roberonin7400 yeah but Bruce was talking about more of high to mid sidekick where it leaves you exposed for a grappler unless you're very fast. But yeah the sidekick to the knee Bruce mentioned in a show actually. Lol. Where he explains a side kick to the nearest object being the knee would be very effective
@@roberonin7400 Bruce only did flashy kicks in his movies just for that. The flash and get attention from viewers. At the time it was not common to see kicks be executed with such speed and good form and flexibility. In his Jeet kune do book he mentions not overextending yourself to give your opponent a chance to counter. He was also very aware of grapplers like wrestlers and joy jitsu practitioners even though there weren't as many as there are now.
Muy Thai is typing....
Omg that tip about having hips in front of the feet is a GAME CHANGER. my kicks always send me flying backwards. I adore slow motion biomechanical breakdowns you are a hero
Happy to help!
Ok now I just fall forwards instead lol. Does this work in shadow or do I gotta work on my balance and strength?
@@MyCommentsRMaturelol you need something to hit to keep you from falling forward.
@@MyCommentsRMaturelol Try work on pulling the kick back just as fast as it goes out sometimes. It won't be as powerful as extending through, but not every shot has to be a power shot. Doing this will pull your centre of mass closer to you quicker making you less likely to fall forward. Less likely to get your foot caught too!
Seth you were talking about how much sweat Joe had but was not even warned up. I'm not joking that was all GSP's sweat.
I don’t hope for much but I hope when Seth goes on Joe’s podcast, it ends in a Rocky III style freeze-frame but with sidekicks.
Hahaha that’d be so dope
Unfortunately joe hates karate
Whaaaat? We’ll change his mind
@@sliderx1897 and Seth hates Tae Kwon Do so it would be the epic grudge martial arts podcast 😂
Great video and I completely agree that Joe Rogan does indeed have excellent kicks. What you said Mr. Seth about picking the leg up first is true. For beginners it’s a great learning tool but your hips and knee should almost lift off the ground like you’re using your energy and momentum of the floor and just snap the side kick out. Once you get very good at it you will see a slight chamber but it will be so quick most won’t notice. Scott Adkins has a great tutorial on the side kick as well. For those who are interested 👍🏾
maybe you should listen to the audio, since he picks up his knee the first time to explain that you shouldn't have your knee pointed down for a side kick, not saying that you should pick the knee up first and load it up first for a side kick.
Totally agree with the side kick, I always pull my knee in to my other shoulder loading it like a sling shot so I can extend with my glutes in the end of the strike
Exactly!
@@SenseiSeth in the beginning that is how to learn in. After you advance you should learn to throw it from anywhere without a chamber. Loading it up every time is not good, it telegraphs it. It will have more power, but it's never going to hit anyone
Joe Rogan is cgi
That would make sense
Joe Rogan is a collectively shared DMT experience
No
And sfx
It's entirely possible
His kicks are good because he did Tae Kwon Do
Joe's kicks are top shelf. I've seen in person,and the punches not so much as they don't have the same snap to them. But his kicks are deadly. If he'd agree to box you, you might have a chance.
J Kim Boston TKD
@@williammills5093 he started in Kenpo first then switchwd to JH Kims. Then his kicks really improved.. i could barely hold my 130 lb sawdust filled heavy bag when hed kick it - and he was only 15. But his self confidence was his best asset..he was like a 30 year old, it was amazing...
Yes trained there under Kim, Mr Smith and Mr O'MALLEY 87 through 90
Max Holloway has thrown spinning side kicks in fights and landed them perfectly..
People have been kod by side kicks to the liver in the ufc lol
Spot on. Pull the knee to the opposite shoulder to load the torso, then let it unwind. I’ve found side kicks to be very effective, especially as a set-up or dummy.
Sensei seth: "its more powerful to chamber not to throw them like a baseball bat"
Also sensei seth: "you should swing your round kick like a baseball bat because they chamber the bat"
Haha not just the bat itself though
@@SenseiSeth, the explanation that clicked for me touched on the physics involved: if each link in the kinematic chain is in motion before the next one starts moving, the terminal segment gets the benefit of every phase of acceleration - like sitting on the hood of a moving car and throwing a fastball. (knee= car, foot = ball) this is also how the tip of a whip can literally reach Mach 2.
@@doctaflo I see the whip, but I couldn't get over throwing a fast ball with any hopes of it truly being a fast ball when trying it in seated position on a sporty moving vehicle.
A little too visual.
@@bakerfresh, S E T H L O V E S Y O U A N D N O T M E U U U N N N S S S U U U B B B :(((((
@@bakerfresh, also, i hear you; not sure why that made it come together in my head-it’s someone else’s sloppy metaphor. maybe the stacked, discardable booster phases of a NASA rocket is better.
Just dropping a note of encouragement: I really enjoy your presentation style! You're always informative and entertaining, I dig your sense of humour, and you are incredibly consistent across your content (I'm late to the Sensei Seth party, so I've been watching old vids and new ones in no particular order). It's obvious you've been teaching for a long time, because I don't get the sense you're adopting a "persona" or playing a role in your videos (except for the skits, which are absolute gold); instead, it's always Seth doing what Seth does. Love it.
Man, that means a lot to me my man!
you got me with the 8million DMT/PU
Hahahah heck yes
We are two
That simple tip of standing in a bladed stance for an easier kick has helped me so much
I really respect you keeping the Wonderboy bop in your intro. All of it from your legit skills to your self-deprecating humor makes for a very good introduction.
I like joe Rogan a lot, I used to train with him three times a week at the old bomb squad back in the day. That being said, he’s just a guy, nothing mysterious
Yup
He has a video from 2020 where he throws a regular leg kick to a machine and he kicks harder then kickboxing champ joe schilling. His kicks definitely work.
Joe kicked with his shin while the champ kicked with his foot.
@Jon Bishoff Good point
@In hoc signo vinces Stephen Wonderboy and Henry Cejudo? Those just the most popular. Plus you're comparing two completely different sports
Joe Rogan teaching Bryan Callen is probably the best teaching video.
The way I was taught to kick was to count 4 steps on the kicking leg. Step 1, lift the knee. Step 2, extend the lower leg in a snapping motion at your target. Step 3, bring the lower leg back in to a knee position. Step 4, step the kicking leg back to its original position. The rest is just about the angles you use for the different kinds of kicks, but most kicks follow the same concept of the 4 steps. So I THINK that Joe didn't quite explain that what we had demonstrated slowly was the basis of most kicks by lifting the knee first, but didn't specify that to perform the kick the way he actually delivers it that you need to bring the knee to that angled position instead of it being straight up and down. I think that most people would probably naturally do it the right way once the technique is sped up to full speed/power once they understand the concept of kicking in general. I hope anything I said made any kind of sense, LOL!
I honestly wish I heard you say that about side kicks months ago. I do the whole lift your knee first. Side kicks are my weakest. I am going to try it how you explained tomorrow!
“Side kicks don’t work”
Sanda is punching the air right now.
He has the hardest registered strike ever at the UFC performance center.
I remember my sensei talking about you as a RUclips channel knowing about Karate.
My Sensei thinks you're great, and so do I
Thank you and your Sensei!!
@@SenseiSeth You're welcome
Is your sensei Darth Plagueis?
@@Jenjak Did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plaeguis the wise?
@@chickenfeeet Yeah I know it : he tried a sidekick but they don't work, so he died...
Another thing that is great with a more compact chamber on the side kick is that you can still hit or at least stop a quick opponent dashing forward.
I absolutely love this video dude! Your critical analysis of Rogans kicks, and that 8m DMTs per unit bit are just 👌 chefs kiss
I think one of the main reasons that Joe has such incredible hip movment is due to his 10th planet BJJ style...you have to have alot of strentgh and flexibility in your hips and abductors just doing the rubber guard
Hey that’s a great point
Should be titled! Karate Teacher likes to hear himself talk!
exactly why i stopped watching and started reading comments..
If you would’ve watched you would’ve seen me breakdown how good his kicks actually are 🙄
@@SenseiSeth I listend to the whole video while reading the comments..also no one mentioned anything about you're analysis of joes kicks.
Replied... but no heart... just like your youtube channel... lol
That's kinda what I was thinking too, "side kicks are useless" but I bet this guys LOVES Chael Sonnen 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂!
There's an old saying. "Those that can do, those that can't teach!" Please continue Karate teacher.
Have to agree, the only thing this guy's rewarded with for this video are views and collected comments that add into RUclips's algorithm, and whatever the combo is that would make him money off this video. I swear youtube is turning into a streaming service of pyramid scammers... As much as I don't agree with Joe Rogan at times, like exactly how he does his sidekick, this whole "Sidekicks don't work" speel just tells me the Karate Teacher doesn't know how to properly do a non-telegraph sidekick.
@@smakajo400 "sidekicks don't work" is a meme/joke...
As I said, I also teach thaiboxing, and not everything needs to be taught exactly how it's done in real life. I think it's important to emphasize different key points so the student can FEEL the movement correctly. I always tell my students "Ensin pitää tietää mihin on menossa, ennen kuin voi oikaista." it's Finnish and translates to "to take a shortcut, you must first know where you're going."
I am so glad I watched this. I kept doing reps very slowly in the air with my knee up first, then I would throw them for power at normal speed and my knee would always end up shooting back towards my rear shoulder instead. Glad to know that it isn't just me but Joe does it too.
The real problem is people who straight up keep their knee down the whole time so they side kick upwards.
I’ve always thought of the roundhouse kick as being like a whip
Yes!!
The snap version yes! The circular version no
@@shotokankaratedude89 yeah even the circular one I tried whip my foot at the end But I do know what you mean with the difference
I sometimes think of the foot as the rock/boulder/weight at the end of a ballista. Where it comes crashing around, as the hip throws the knee around. Same way the shin will come around.
@@bakerfresh Yeah that’s a good way to think of it
I feel like he just teaches it the way it was taught to him. But once actually performed it never looks exactly like when the form is practiced.
Kinda like kata... Maybe
Very much so! Happens a lot
You just described teaching
A bit from age. There are other side kick and back videos were he executes the kick that way.
Its good for deception.
I find its not the knee raised that exactly does it, but it helps when executing up to and over your head...but the power from any chamber is having it close to your hip.
Like the extra power of a punch coming from the push of your shoulder.
Sides and punches are extremely similar in there mechanics.
@Gandalfdawytenigga i remember smacking this other guy in class. He was like 22 and had went a little hard on this low belt 14yo and made him cry.
After holding up an axe kick and telling him to not come in he tossed my foot away.
It don't take much with a back kick, especially when they rush in. Pretty much over, even with pads. It was only 60 percent...sometimes the best way to understand is to NOT listen.
Muscle memory. His natural body style doesnt match what his brain thinks it does.
This is normal. Once you actively do something often your brain calibrates it to be the best form and shape for you.
Especially when you have great balance training and flexibility, already.
Interesting. I think what it comes down to is that being able to do something and being able to teach something are different skills. I imagine Joe is trying to teach what he THINKS he is doing to the best of his ability, rather than trying to deceive the viewer for whatever reason
I agree!!
this is why video review is so important for perfecting technique.
Lol. The ending. They need to teach algorithms in school, since its online these days lol. 🤷♂️ Joe's gonna watch this an be like, "damn I teach my kicks differently than I actually do them". Nice detective work batman, I mean sir Adam's 👍 . I like funny, and kicking, you are both 😃💪🙏✌
Hahaha thank you!
Glad I found Seth and his sarcasm but more importantly the technique. Actually all of those are the same. What an enjoyable experience having you butt handed to you by a guy with a dope sense of humor. I'm hurt and bleeding and we both just laaaaughing
Talking about Rogan cambering his roundhouse kick a good example that would help with his power would be relating it to figure skating, when they spin they will pull in their arms and the spin speed increases, much the same effect would take place here.
Rogan starts small and this allows a faster initial rotation and extends at the end bringing that initial velocity with it much like a whip. It's very much about timing when to start to extend so that you reach full extension at impact, too soon and you loose velocity, too late and you miss out on full impact. This is where Rogan shines due to his decades of practice he has that skill and timing down to an art form, this is what is impressive as it is easy to pick up bad habits when doing the same thing for some time and considering how long Rogan has been at it shows a great dedication to perfecting a great strike (Not saying it's perfect but rather him striving for that)
1:05 “and it’s for a very specific Seth of reasons.”
Seth Rogen strikes again
These are all my styles for the game
No Style
Punch, punch, punch, front kick M2 Slam with hands
Karate
Roundhouse kick high, low,backfist body, punch to the body M2 karate chop
Boxing
Jab, cross, hook, uppercut M2 Jab barrage
Taekwondo
Punch, roundhouse kick, hook kick, back kick M2 tornado kick
Wrestling
Punch, punch, push kick, push, M2 Bodyslam
Knees and back bent
Kickboxing
Punch, sidekick, punch, jumping front kick M2 back kick
Muay Thai
Punch, elbow, roundhouse, knee M2 Flying Knee
MMA
Jab, back fist, roundhouse kick, hook M2 takedown
i know this is long but what are your thoughts?
this is for a game that i am making
maybe a wheel kick or a crescent kick instead of a karate chop for karate?
@@tlb963 ooohh i forgot about crescent kick!! i NEED to add that to karate
@@xaviersfinance2664 glad I could help!
@@xaviersfinance2664 And, for boxing if you want to go a bit deeper than just a jab barrage I'd look into the gazelle punch!
@@tlb963 oh yeah i heard of that punch in a game before
“Manliness oozes out of him” that’s TRT mate
AKJ sidekick... side stance has heels pointed first while knee stays downward and heel is driven rather than lifted towards the target. Knee stays pointed down as heel drives directly into target. It lengthens the distance while creates a more powerful kick. The only time we raise the knee is for higher than sternum kicking is used. Not a back kick as guard still faces opponent.
The way you talked about throwing a side kick is exactly how we were taught to throw a side kick in the ATA. The only reason your knee would come up is if you were about to throw downward kick towards someone’s knee ankle etc.
Taekwondo was my first striking style. When I first started training at an mma gym and started learning the thai round kick, it took some practice. But eventually, I thought to try and combine the 2.
I'd take the step to open the hips, lift the leg with a slight chamber, and extend the leg just before contact to increase momentum and power into the target.
When I first did this kick with a more recent coach holding pads, he was surprised cuz he saw the chamber, and still felt the power behind it. Was a cool moment for me. Lol.
Does Seth mean Sensei in American?
Hahaha yep
That would make him Sensei Sensei
Michael Jai White dominated some tournaments back in the day with just a side kick.
It's a huge crime that this video doesn't have more than 1mil views, more people should know this!
U can this guy is naturally funny, and he knows what he's talking about. Earned my sub for the channel with this one! Great vid
Thanks bud!
8million dmts per unit! I lost it there!
😂🙏
I would like 2 units please
Bruh same🤣🤣🤣 fuggin ugly laughed on that one
🐐
👏👏 perfect
my man cody out here
Cody’s my old roommate haha
@@SenseiSeth thats crazy
@@son6ahar 😂😂😂
When he says( oh my God it's like I was right the whole time) I died laughing 😂😂😂
Sense I Seth,
I was a sidekick fanatic and
your video description is exactly what made me rely merely on front push kick ( Muay Thai Style),
I can only agree with you sir,
Oss
Sensei Rock
This is an issue I've taken with martial arts coaches for years. No one throws a strong roundhouse with a straight leg. You can only rotate so fast with your leg at full extension. Weight closer to the rotation point allows faster rotation. You throw it like a whip. The end of a whip moves faster than a bat by miles, and it does so by uncoiling at the end of the motion.
That sweat acts as a lube between him and the ground thus speeding up his acceleration on his side kick thus amping up the power of his side kick only a man like him can do it like that
This guy’s just salty because he knows karate’s inferior to almost every martial art
Why would this guy be salty over Taekwondo? Karate has more respect than Taekwondo. 😂
@@mykhailozadorozhnyy ITF Taekwondo has a self defence element.
He's a really humble guy and I've seen videos of him sparring UFC guys he's a big dude and has incredible kicking agility.
Didn't come across as salty at all to me just as someone who loves martial arts.
People who watch video only have big opinions. thanks for sticking around Allun!
@@SenseiSeth No worries, love watching your stuff, I'm 235lbs and 6ft and seeing a bigger dude able to pull off the more athletic kicks is cool, means I've no excuses now really lol
"manliness just oozes out of him"
Is Joe Rogan a JoJo, or a Joro if you will.
JoeJoe?
I agree on what you said about how to chamber the side kick. I’m also a big fan of how Wonderboy does side kicks.
I think you made a very important point . To paraphrase just because someone's good at something doesn't mean they're good at teaching it . Everything from martial arts to musicianship . I've encountered much of both over the years . God vid .
I knew it. I KNEW it!!! GSP is over rated and faced subpar competition. Thanks for the confirmation.
Lol WHAT 😂😂
My teacher right now is when he teaches the sidekick he teaches it in the snappy way and not in the way of the sethryu (the one and only way is of course the sethryu or way of the seth) so I kicked him.
(I didn't actually kicked him, just making sure everyone understand) #snappysnappysidekicksdon'twork
Lol... Interesting, what do you mean by snappy, as supposed to otherwise?
The only side snap kick is "yoko geri keage". I never saw anyone use it.
@@kkarx what the heck is even a snappy side kick? Do u still bring the knee up first? Turn the hip, or no?
@@kbanghartNo, side snap kick does not use hips (if you turn then it obviously does but the kick is not very powerful either way). The "first bring up your knee" is there just for learning separate movements of the kick so you can focus just on one thing at time. You'll obviously need to somehow lift you leg, set your body in a correct position and correctly outstrech your leg. So you practice these 3 movements separately. When performing the kick you really never bring up your knee first and only then do the rest. In reality you start with lifting your knee and just a brief moment later (it is nearly the same time but there is a tiny delay) you start with setting your body in a correct position (while doing this you are still lifting your leg at the same time) and then you start with outstreching your leg to perform the kick it naturally. The timing is the key and it can't be really described. One needs to feel it. For timing you practice a kick slowly and speed up when you got it. Keage is useful only to kick someone to chin, maybe crotch. ruclips.net/video/IFj5tPU0Usw/видео.html
@@kkarx ok I think I know what you're talking about. Recently my sensei, who has been to Okinawa a few times and is also in contact with a few high-level Dans here in our area, was explaining the difference between the Japanese sidekick and the Okinawan sidekick. So we are working on those differences.
One thing I've noticed about Americans, they really love to talk.
I think that last example both Seth and Joe are right in their explanations of the kick. His kick is executed differently not cause he brings his front knee towards his rear shoulder, like Seth says, but instead it's because he's moving his lower half/hips/pelvis in front of his back foot farther, quicker. Meanwhile his leg is still coming up towards the way he was teaching it.
In other words, it's perceived as bringing his leg closer to his rear (which could lose you power without proper timing), but instead it's just his lower half moving closer to give the illusion that he's pulling his leg back farther. This way he doesn't need to contract those leg muscles just before extending them. It's more fluid.
I honestly love this intro so much
Absolute perfection.
How did I catch this so soon? I was watching Wonderboy stuff lmao
Beats me but glad you’re here!
Karate Teacher?? That sounds like a downgrade from >Sensei Seth<
Hope the downgrade gets more people in with the algorithm haha
Cheers!
Maybe after watching Jesse enkamps video he realized you’re not supposed to call yourself sensei
doing content by jumping on a Joe Rogan keyword ,brilliant....
as a person who used to have strong kicks like this.
it surprises me that people forget the basics of gaining power with flashy stuff.
i weigh a wet 120, and 80 pound bags would get tossed around.
i kicked so fucking hard, people wouldnt let me use their bags beccause i was "ruining them" by leaving creases, or just straight removing them from the ceiling.
but a 120 pound bag was nice, because you could focus power and the bag doesnt move as much. you get a good grasp of when you are hitting hard when the bag doesnt move away. kicking the bottom of an 80 pound back and having it hit the ceiling sucks. but with a 120 pound bag it only hopped a little bit.
so the question i have for all of you. how heavy do you think the bags they are using are?
See you on Joe's Podcast 😉👍 Best wishes from Germany🙏👊
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wow I'm so early 😳
Yooo
Thats what.... never mind...
Hahahaha
@@Lumbeelegend 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I think this is a family friendly channel so good on you for not finishing the comment🤣🤣
About Joe Rogan practicing the kick and applying it differently: There is a difference between practicing the basic fundamentals and their practical application. For instance when your taught how to drive, you have to follow all the rules to pass, but when you are in the road you can leave some of the rules behind for better adaptation of the road. Poetry and language is the same. This in fact applies to Karate more than any other martial arts. In Katas for instance, each and every basic movement is miles apart from how they are being applied. The point here is that the basic movement being taught, enables a person not to drift so far away from it when being performed than when not learning the basic movement at all. Also, TMA basics are usually made to be practiced in a much harder form so that when you apply them in real combat in their easier form they become faster and more swift
@Real Aiglon Are you some kind of martial art expert dude?
@Real Aiglon *I have not followed the whole discussion to be honest, or even watched the video yet.*
@Real Aiglon take for instance when learning the cross punch focused on the right technique, for a beginner, they are taught to stand still but when applying it, they will be told to do that while moving forward or backward or combine it with other movements to make it better and less predictable.
I couldn't agree more with you about cocking the leg for the side-kick, Seth.
Knee up first is for points based sport karate, you can sacrifice power to disguise the kick, from knee up it can still be a straight, round, side, hook kick or even just feint, chosen at the last second. Power doesn't really matter in this case because points will be scored from a light touch. If you bring foot up first, you signal its a side kick and have less options to score. In a full contact scenario where power matters; foot first is faster has more power and prevents the opponent charging in on your kick so is the better technique.