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It'd work on me
Where would I even find a seven-piece anonymous alternative rock band? Melbourne, Australia??
@@smddevthis is serious mum!
Was this AI generated?
@ThePrimagen I started to use neovim 2 days ago after watching your videos
"It creates a lot of work and no results. We actually call that 'modern software engineering.'" 😂
ooh! (*’Ｏ’*)
That is the best description for UML Diagrams ever. Our teachers believed that,it is how softwares are developed. I have never used it in my 6 years of work experience.
I have sometimes used it in my 24 years of work experience. It was more important when we did not have such nice IDE's and there were sometimes hundreds of DB tables created in the 80's... sith got messy, UML's made it visually digestible.
@@diynevala That is absolutely understandable. Sadly most projects does not bother to invest in creating a ULM or Entity Relationship Diagrams making it a nightmare to work on the DBs. There have been many times, I have to dig through piles of code to get an understanding of it.
@@smnkumarpaul It is also super cool to see hundred lines connected to "Product" - ok there are some foreign keys with products.. :D
As a student, do you use other kinds of diagrams? Or how do you visualize the project before starting
@@MrKasenom on complicated protocols a sequence diagram can be helpful - if not for you, at least for the colleague you are trying to explain it.
What on earth is with Prime's eyes. Prime either has Neuralink with a built in filter or is possessed.
Some AI or something grrgrr
@CodeConstellations this stream was an irl stream he did with someone called SushiDragon who does a bunch of camera effects during stream. This was just a filter out on prime while he was speaking
Or both
Just the average blue eyed individual
He has Kiroshis
That's the sweetest person you are talking to
"oooh :)"
Why say sweet when you mean dumb?
@@alst4817 are you so unhappy with your life that you insult a random person for nothing
@@alst4817Not knowing much about software engineering = dumb?
As a guy with a masters in software engineering I have to say that I have never felt more attacked
Is it that useless tho?
@@theprovego2934 did get me a job so wasn't for me at least
@@theprovego2934It's useless in the same way that a blueprint is useless if you want to build a house. The blueprint alone isn't going to build the house, but it sure is nice to have when you've got 30 different people trying to build the same house.
@@Dremth Or when your the 7th person to live in the house 20 years after construction and something needs replacing. And you realize oh wait there should be a door here.
@theprovego2934 not at all, I was the lead dev right out the gate with the knowledge from my degree, I was the first to pioneer the microservices approach at my company and was the first to do many things I completely disagree with what he says
and then we got bad reactions from our lecturer when these squares didn't have round edges and the arrow heads aren't filled properly
Why this is giving me flashbacks
I'd write on the test One Big Box: This is a Worthless Waste of Time.
So true!
around 2009-2010, on macOS I literally couldn't figure out how to get the triangles or arrows to show up properly and I had to draw them in, god forbid I had to go back and change the design, it would be another day of work drawing everything in manually. and I still couldn't get it right. I know today I could probably just use ChatGPT.
@@stevez5134 tbh using chatgpt introduced me to more errors i could ever imagine XD
Accurate description of my year 3 database paper.
I'm afraid I'm going to dream about relational algebra tonight
They are somewhat useful for databases.
Prime's eyes look like he's turning to the Sith.
You know, there are some consequences of leaving Netflix.
Skill issue
@@0xACAB def skill issue
I believe that he's chopped some trainee software engineers with a lightsaber 😵
@@levmedvedev He went into whatever bootcamp is pushing Javascript for the backend and killed all the younglings.
CS Major here and we learned that stuff in Databases and Software Engineering
Can't imagine 3 years of that
Bro, I was like why does this just sound like database management course.
wait, UML diagrams was among the first thing we learned in CS, I can't imagine having to learn this during a masters
masters in sw engineering at least in the uk is like a catch up for non coders, they do a much simpler degree than an undergrad. they do say 18 months in basic coding, i was teaching it while i was an undergrad. sw masters is suprisingly not impressive. hence i decided to do a different one, i wasnt even allowed because i knew it all from my batchlers, its literally not allowed.
Software engineering rizz 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Gives a new meaning to entity relationship
you forgot to say "I worked at Netflix btw"
such an unflex
no longer
Been there, draw that stuff. But this conversation is just pure gold.
“What would that create?” - JUST POINT ON 😂
Been there, drawn that
Me, literally choking on design rn 😭
This guy is a standup programmer. I would go to his show anytime if he puts one up in my city.
Or you can just watch him on Twitch
Bro looks like he was built by the Tyrell corporation.
I dream of a girl listening to me like that
real
Just go up to a random girl and infodump on her. It'll work, trust me.
I can't believe how powerful that moustache is
UML!!!! I can handle discrete math and compiler theory but when the proffesors pull out UML my soul dies and I zone out.
sounds like someone went into comp sci with no hobbyist experience and eyes on the money 😂😂
@@ethanwasme4307 Actually you would be surprised, I don't really care about the money. I really only care about optimization and making stuff go fast. Even before university I would sit around and look at the assembly code generated by gcc and try to figure out what I can do different to get more cache hits. For me computer science has always been about the computer and I find UML to be a waste of time that slows down my (and my peers) production speed and results in less performant code due to over abstraction. Long winded but I don't know where you were going with your comment but it just seems a bit rude.
@@ethanwasme4307You really saw "I can handle discrete math and compiler theory" and still ended up at that conclusion. How?
@@ethanwasme4307who the fuck would draw UML diagrams as a hobby?
I like uml more than discrete tbh
hahaha "A lot of work and no results". Accurate AF
Prime gives me the vibes of being a character off of parks and rec
I did more programming during my master than my bachelor. I did those diagram things during my bachelor. Stil a waste of time compared to having worked those two years. Especially since I don't work with what I specialized in.
Computer science master's student here, and he's not exaggerating. Like, at all. If you want to learn anything useful while you're in school, you really need to have personal projects!
Huh, I had 1 or 2 modules in my first year of uni that used UML and made ER diagrams, I think that's got to do with your course in particular. But I do agree about personal projects really helping you apply what you learn.
But is UML actually bad ? I would have thought it's a good idea to take the time to formalize the structure in an abstract and standardize form
The bad part about UML is that 1. you spend too long making and discussing diagrams 2. they may not account for any issues or requirement changes that may occur. In other words, people have meetings discussing these diagrams, then something changes or goes wrong and they're back to discussing the diagrams, not too much work gets done. Of course it isn't always like this, but it happens enough for most people to abondon the idea almost entirely.
If you want to see for yourself, I recommend picking a project (can be a small project) that has fixed and completely known requirements and trying to use UML, this would be absolute best case scenario for it. I personally never found it very useful.
Dijkstra said it best: "Software Engineering is how to program if you cannot."
good diagrams can enormously help understanding the bigger picture, if they are seen as sketches. They are good to identify boundaries and unwanted dependencies, but they are not a religion.
It just depends, sometimes the problem is simple so that one can immediately start coding, the other time better draw a high-level sketch first.
It's where you learn the tools, techniques, and practices to build quality software. That you will then throw out the window because your "agile" team needs to deliver all the features, on an exact release date, all at once because all features are the top priority
I've never used UML at work. I have, however, used database diagrams to generate SQL tables to great effect.
At least most people are not still trying to generate code from those diagrams too anymore..
I am sure Mermaid chart is working on it using LLM’s
*ModelBasedSystemEngineering entered the chat*
I'm sure IBM is still trying.
tell that to my company
The fact that you can't generate the diagrams from the code and get an easily followable chart goes to show that it's not really well mapped to the task at hand.
why is prime a skin walker
When was he not
What is a skin walker in this context? Sorry I am not a native English speaker.
@@jongeduard the glowing eyes and everything lol
The guy who taught me UML made sure we knew how to so it real well, and then promptly told me outside of class that he'd never used it in industry but had to teach it.
Was that the beautiful wife he keeps talking about?
No - sushidragon’s wife
Kolega
Creating a blueprint for a house also takes a lot of work with no results, we call it ALGORITHMS
Aggregate and composite aren't relationship schemas. Aggregate is a collection function and composite describes creating an object property with some other type.
Thanks for the information 🤓☝️
These days software is hard to maintain because enginners dont want to do documentation
I learned my rounded rectangles during higher learning but my squares with arrows on the job 😂
Thanks for explaining that. I once interviewed a person who had a bachelors and masters in comp sci. They also had one years work experience developing with php on linux. I was asking basic questions and they didnt know, so i kept scaling the questions back, until i go to the point where i asked what linux distribution they used to develop on at their last role. They couldn't even tell me that, all they knew was they used phpstorm ide. So clearly those university qualifications are worse than used toilet paper.
Congratulations, you found one of the students that BS'ed their way through ( with possibly with the minimum grade possible) two degree programs and possibly had no major interest in the discipline. As a current student in a related discipline, I agree there are some gaps in what is taught vs what is needed. I would have likely answered at least half your questions before I started for a degree. You just had a bad candidate which is not representative of the whole.
UMLs were supposed to outline the high level architectural design. They were never supposed to be used to create objects or classes, but just to describe services and modules.
As a current MSCS student taking a database design course, this one really hit home.
its like a couple assignments in one course man
About to finish undergrad for a Bachelors in Computer Information System.
Work with UML at the start of every project, that planning time saves me hours when actually implementing.
UML is a waste of time. The time it takes to build these funky diagrams is almost equal to the time it takes to implement.
@@prakhar9998
I agree . I prefer writing/ reading code than UML. It's slow at writing and it want alot of space reading it.
this feels AI generated like why does he have anime eyes
Uml diagrams are used rarely in real applications. But they are the eight tool for education.
If you want to learn object oriented programming you need to think about objects and their relations. Drawing a box with arrows is faster than to write all the code. It's also easier to grasp.
As a data engineer, I actually use E-R diagrams to map what I need to do in warehouse migrations.
I can’t wait for the day “programmer” and “developer” no longer tied to “software engineer”.
It’s literally like “mechanic” and “mechanical engineer”
Just like “construction worker” and “civil engineer”.
I remember that being a part of one course.
This does explain why I've never seen any software that has any kind of structure... We call it "historic growth" or even "hysteric growth" if it goes out of control
When I was little my dad brought home an entity relationship diagram. Apparently I asked him "Do you just draw circles and lines all day"
...I'm now a software engineer.
Do you mean you can get a master of engineering degree in the USA by finishing just one first year subject of a Dutch or German university of technology program? Really?
That was literally also just my first bachelor semester in my software engineering studies in Denmark haha.
@@vandermannmusicchill out chill out. The US is completely dominating you in software and technology. Don’t talk shi to us all high and mighty.
The American university system is pretty janky, so the answer is actually, "probably."
@@shreddedtwopack6625 Didn't mean it as talking shit. I apologize if that is how it sounded.
There are one year master degrees, they are supposed to be more business-oriented or more practical, whereas the two year masters are proper degrees but mostly theoretical in nature.
😂 this is the first RUclips short i have enjoyed. ❤
"Creates a lot of work and no results." Can't tell if I'm laughing or crying.
That drawing is good to outline the first day of coding. But just the first one.😂
In the modern programming and software development we dont need uml diagrams and sequence diagrams that much…but its good to learn about them and how it works tho.
It was painful to make a uml and sequence diagrams for my project in bachelor..💀
Then what people generally use ?
@@AvikNayak_ sequence diagram for only the critical parts..i wouldnt bother with uml and sequence for the whole damn project
Design patterns and uml is critical for any high level architecture, you will need to learn it if you are going beyond just building business requirements ... you are constantly using these designs in c#, spring boot and any other softwares you piggy back on. You need a deeper understand to get what they did MVC is literally a chin of responsibility, facade and observer mix and it works well and is easy to use , replicate aka Make APIs
That is probably the funniest description I have ever heard for database design 😂
I think it's unfortunate how much hate diagrams get in CS. In every other field of engineering, their usefulness is accepted. I've created many useful diagrams for my work. They help clarify the conceptual structure of a system.
software is entirely conceptual. code is the description already. refining the code is refining the description, so translating from diagrams to systems is not useful for getting anything shipped. everything is comprised of specifics. diagrams might help maintenance but knowing how to debug offers way more. these are just some musings though. no strong opinion.
"Creates a lot of work and no results" Does the Primeagen work where I am at?
thats like the description for every desk job tho
@@onlyme0349 what do you consider a desk job?
I still get happy when I see diamonds, but I forget what they mean
Sounds like data management the way he describes items and their relations to fields
So software engineering is essentially just my 102 software design class. Plus extra years.
he cut 'i work at netflix btw'
lolz yep
To get a degree in Software engineering, its very similar except you draw different shaped triangles and connect them with different words such as AND, OR, XAND and XOR
UML wasn’t around when I did my Software Engineering bachelors. I learned something even more meaningless called Z. It was aptly named. I learned UML later and failed to use it slightly less than Z, but not by much. I opted for boxes and pointy arrows instead (or an indented list) which most people seem to understand better and are thus a much better communication tool.
Sadly it’s true. The degree gets your toe in the door. Maybe. Your projects get your whole leg in the door:
Yep, showing the work you've done is what really matters. The guy in school drawing flowcharts is going to be behind the guy spending time actually making software. We learn software by making software not flowcharts.
As a mathematician... it just sounds like you're doing category theory proofs
Right… if youre paying for a masters and they’re teaching bachelors level first normal form… run
Thats it I’m definitely not going for the masters now. I’m so done with that shiii. Thanks for saving me 2-3 years 😂😂
What he trying the descripbe is UML language that is used to DESIGN software. And if he actually knew what he was talking about, he would know that you can actually automatically generate the software code from than design.
Just like experience and skilled contruction worker can eyeball stuff and get it done fast and well without elaborate design drawings. But there are buildings you do want to competent engineer to have made designs for.
The "ooohh" at the end after the punchline 😭😭😭
In this short we see Sheogorath describe modern software engineering.
Prime with his first cyberpunk eye implants.
Everyome talking about his eyes when Im here magnificed by his wonderful mustache.
The book "Modern Software Engineering" by Dave Farley is actually good and I don't think there's any UML in there
Literally exactly what most of my MS was.
Many microservices architectures fail because people don’t understand the domain and don’t slice the system at the right boundaries. This causes chattiness and it becomes a distributed monolith. To avoid this you create a domain model that everyone can understand and approve. After that you slice your system up in microservices. The best tools to use here is boxes with names and relationships. Usually following the UML standard. Not understanding this whole concept of domain modelling and how important it is makes the whole software industry filled with systems that are dead on arrival. If you don’t fully understand the domain then it’s very hard to build a great software architecture. It’s also important that the stakeholders which are often non technical domain experts can validate the domain model. It’s very hard if they have to read code to do that.
A lot of work with no results. We call that modern software engineering. Spoken like a true master!
best description ever 😂 not only, that it produces nothing, it must most likely changed completely, becausnit does not work in the wild and you see the problems only, when you actually implement it ...
the rizz master
Wonder what that mustache feels like
This is me… primeagen is our hero, he gets it. Protect this prototypical man at all cost
of all my years working professional programming, I think i've used UML diagrams only a single time. I am delighted to report that UML diagram has never been looked at by another human soul.
They don't even humour me with the "oh" I just get "ok"
Be honest. You don’t talk to women.
feels like category theory
My CS Masters was in complexity theory, and that's at least marginally useful.
Damn. He learned ERD's in his masters while I learned them in 1st year.
That background gives me nightmares.
UML diagrams are rarely ever used for software development.. But they are used alot in Database Development.
My manager LOVES UML. He makes 30 people spend an hour every week learning it.
The "oooh" at the end lol
bro knows too much he might as well take that Masters degree, you ve been UMLed
Getting lost in primeagens eyes was not on my bingo card today
I remember being in the same class as masters students. It seemed like they were more likely to know how to actually draw a UML diagram or know what JDBC is (it's kind of biased isn't it?) but not know how to actually save a file or move it to a different location.
I started the masters degree a while back and after one semester I felt like I was wasting my life on something useless. It was very theoretical and impractical.
I got good grades but still dropped out…
Michael Scott's smart evil twin!
Dr Disrespect having to code his own streaming platform now?
"creates ALOT of work and NO results" LMAO
Now rider has an addon that does uml of code instantly. Saves ass if management insist on uml for legal reasons
Sounds like UML diagram, gantt charts etc. Learn that in my diploma. Its alot of work.
In my course it’s just a 9 credits exam, how would you make a whole master’s out of that?
I lol'd, heartily, and actually out loud!
Prime going panty dropper mode :kekw: