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The vacation thing is so real. The dread when it's almost over and then coming back and just not feeling any better. I think the most crushing thing is the thought that "well, the vacation was meant to help and it didn't...I guess this is just my life now."
depends what your vacation is. Going to cuncun to get drunk, isnt going to be fulfilling. Ideal vacation is go on nature hikes somewhere. You need to put in work and get exercise, the best antidepressant.
Right in the feels
@@pluto8404 No, it doesn't depend where you go. You missed his point about returning to the "real world"
@ecsrepair you missed the point about changing perspectives. Having a "relaxing" holiday will do you the disservice, but if you go on a pilgrimage to find yourself in a remote buddhist temple in the mountains of nepal, will do you great wonder. You need to continuously challenge yourself and not just seek pleasure. If your vacation is just drinking and doing drugs, of course returing to the real world will seem dull.
@@pluto8404 buddy you missed the point again, I will give u one example , consider yourself a fish in a tank , you go on vacation bcoz the water in the tank became dirty , but when you return back , u will have to continue living in the dirty water (burnout)
so either you have to change the water in tank(change jobs) or manage your work efficiently so you won't get burn out
this is not a good example , but i hope you get the point 😄
I now know why my Netflix TV app crashes all the time
Lol burned!
It's clearly because prime quit
I'm in a similar situation, all the people that did the original shitfest of code already move on from the job. and now we're like dodging mines trying to not die
@@_jn0298 documentation? never heard this word in my life.
XD
Sometimes just getting your eyes off yourself and thinking of ways to serve other people is a huge game changer as well
I didn't experience severe burnout yet. I've had down periods where I struggled to get motivation for anything, but these never lasted more than a month.
But I've had a depression, and how I got out of it was rediscovering the joy of entertainment, which is pretty much antithetical to what happened to Prime on the work axis.
I'm a big anime watcher, and instead of just watching anime from the ongoing season, I remember just going back and rewatching sukasuka. I never rewatch anime, but that time I did. It made me cry, and feel extremely sad. I went to sleep sad, then the next morning, I was fine.
It was a weird experience, definitely unusual. I got better by making myself sadder.
I wish you’d talk more about salary actually. That adds A LOT of context that people need.
Yes, I've had a different sort of burnout than what he describes: I'm 100% self-taught and have yet to land a dev job after 1.5 years of near-daily coding. I do have a job where I am able to do some programming however. My only burnout has been from overworking myself with zero tangible reward (yet), and it doesn't help that half the coding channels (NOT this one) on YT are just doom and gloom, good luck finding a job, etc.
I'm definitely not just in this for the money, I do love programming, but I don't love practicing DSA and doing boring stuff like css media queries, and I hated the grind that was required to pass my AWS developer associate cert. Thankfully my burnout periods thus far have been brief and were satisfied by a vacation or some gaming breaks. But as more time passes and I fail to even land an interview, I know I'm growing closer to some sort of real burnout. Part of me wants to just say F it and spend 100% of my coding time on fun stuff only like game development, which I have not at all been focusing on since it's one of the hardest industries to break into.
This was probably one of my favorite videos from Prime. Had a similar experience with burnout, but in my case what helped me get out of it was getting a new job.
The way i deal with burnout is in my notion board. I keep track of my progress and i have pretty long backlog of things i could try, i could learn etc.
When going through a rough patch I can still find something, anything that i can do and keep moving. So instead of video games being a distraction, this notion board is.
It also helps in defeating impostor syndrome, theres tangible evidence for it! I know what I know and I also know what I still dont know. When i discover something i wasnt even aware of, i happily add it somewhere in my board.
Prime calls things like that "busy work", like bookkeeping, but i say its a productivity framework that works for some people.
Thanks for sharing this personal experience ❤. These type of contents are really valuable
9:31 Hylomorpism reminded me of Functionalism. "Functionalism in the philosophy of mind is the doctrine that what makes something a mental state of a particular type does not depend on its internal constitution, but rather on the way it functions, or the role it plays, in the system of which it is a part. This doctrine is rooted in Aristotle’s conception of the soul, and has antecedents in Hobbes’s conception of the mind as a “calculating machine”, but it has become fully articulated (and popularly endorsed) only in the last third of the 20th century.."
Mind-body problem!
I feel like one way to put what you went through is you did not comeback from your burn out until you addressed the dilemma or conflict that inhabited you. You did it through various activities which allowed you to dissect that internal conflict until you found purpose outside of work (cause it seems like the lack of purpose and how you felt you should have found it in work was your issue)?
In that sense taking a vacation could very well be instrumental to coming back from burn out *as long as you take the time to internally research the cause of the conflict you have*? But often the right activities are just as powerful a tool to learn more about internal conflicts are reflecting in and of itself is. It might give some headspace to kickstart the whole process.
Tldr don’t take vacation as the end all be all solution, addressing internal conflict takes time and effort and all things numbing can really set you back. I’m curious what you guys think? Feel free to comment below
from a marxian perspective, working out is fully un-alienated labor. you completely own the fruits of it. often people in burnout are frustrated with feeling that they are owning nothing, no fruit from their labor whatsoever, fully alienated.
I am building an MMO game and I still can't get a job as a white male. What is the marxian perspective on that?
I only take vacation twice a year for 2 weeks, i treat them as "tansition points" where i need to try initiate a new project that will last me to the next vacation , i never go out , go to trips, parties, nothing.
My situation is a little bit more complicated I only work in this industry because it pays good and programming more than I do right know I think would be worse, pretty tough situation.
fuck i think i am on the cusp of the old burnout. at the moment im on a non sustainable regimen of a rolling a bowl of tina right before standup and then once thats in my system im good to code for the next 12+ hours, but man the 30 mins in the morning between when i wake up and before I smoke, i feel absolute horror
yea this sounds like surviving instead of living
Thanks
Experiencing burnout rn - thanks for this
i assume you worked a higher up position at netflix which gave you more flexibility in your work situation.
the case for "regular" people suffering from burnout is often because of external factors like unreasonable hours, horrendous management and overall shitty work environment.
for those "regular" people, solving burnout by working more probably isnt ideal.
I basically go through as well what I think it's burnout. I've have long downs and short ups. The reason behind it is that i'm working at a company that I started almost 4 years ago.throughout the years i've came across things that I learned from. But since beginning this year the lead developer left and there was no one to step up except me with the knowledge that I had. But they denied completely and instead of the boss hires a new lead developer the boss decided to have a democratic vote and that was the decision. 100% of the changes were made I stand against it and knew bloody well that it did not work out. My beloved 3 products are made worse by the 3 developers, code reviews being aborted etc. Now there are 3 products that are at a stage that is very faulty and not working well, which was not before. I decided a few days ago to basically go away from the company and I told the boss about that i'm looking for a new adventure.
Yesterday was my last day at my (now former) job!
Primeagen has such a way with words "I did six years in the Bay Area." That's how you call a prison a prison without calling it a prison. So poetic
as a foreigner I was really confused and I thought Prime did 6 years of actual prison called the Bay Area
I was just telling my colleague at work that the reason I’ve changed my attitude recently at work - after months of feeling like I’m on the edge of burnout - is because I found channels like yours and theo’s that have reminded me of the joy and beauty of programming.
Thanks dude. Little things make big differences.
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True. This year, I hit my second tech startup against the wall. Fired all 30+ team members. Then, out of the blue, I started to code again... I've discovered this and other channels. Granted, I started to exercise in January, so, yeah, it probably helps, too. But I can tell that despite feeling failure and rejection (from investors), coding is doing wonders for me. I've recently created a GPT-2-clone from scratch, for fun, to see how far I understand and can push it... And suddenly, I feel so much better than I have in the last 2 years. The bottom line is that when you are a coder at heart, there was once a good reason (other than money) that made you become a coder. You never lose your strengths. You merely forget them, say, because of Scrum madness, company culture meetings, briefings, or a manager who talks only about money, money, money.
Hearing that his burnout lasted 2 years honestly makes me feel better. It's been about 3 years for me and I always thought burn out was this temporary thing like 1-2 months. I feel lazy, I feel like an imposter. I just can't get motivated to do anything except side projects
Apply for another job. Life's too short.
I had multiple similar experiences. Working on my mindset helped a lot: What is the story you tell yourself about the world and yourself in it? Why do you the things you do? Fostering gratefulness helps a lot. Seeing hardship as a challenge to improve your skills and mindset. Being proud of your skills and attitude. Helping others flourish. Self care. Keeping healthy boundaries.
I quit and went to work for a company with a healthier environment. It took two years to completely shed the weight of the burnout, but now my outlook is better. Additionally, channels like this helped motivate me to do side projects again, but I had to get out of burnout first, and that takes time, rest, a good environment, and some sun on your face
do side projects, you’re probably feeling restrained of creativity
I left a $200k (80hr/wk) job for a $65k (40hr/wk) job because I literally hated my life and all facets of it during burnout. I was doing nothing for myself and everything for a company that I knew was never going to be 'capable' because of upper management incompetence. I now have the worlds chillest manager, job security on an incredible level (govt) with a pension and so much free time I'm coding again and even picked up new hobbies like machining and working on my old pickup truck.
The people in my life say I'm more fun to be around and that I've become "my old self" again.
Burnout is real. Grinding is something we all have to do at some point to get things done but grinding for grinding's sake is moronic.
This is very true. No job should stop you from being yourself, and sometimes a change is needed. I'm glad things have worked out for you. :)
wtf it's not about paradise city
game-agen, let's go!
Welcome to crash fm a gen
Really helps to hear that even someone who seems super passionate about programming also has struggled with burnout.
Going through some weird periods of life right now with depressive episodes and it's made it difficult for me to want to keep learning & programming as much, which in turn makes me feel bad about not being productive.
Productivity (and happiness) are a byproduct of a focused, healthy and well rounded life. And leading a life that allows for happiness and productivity is the hard part. Caring for your mind and body is a necessary precondition.
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Your previous comment about working for companies who view software as a profit center aligns well with your ability to affect change at Netflix. I imagine that working for a company that does not enable you to find meaning in company improvement making burnout recovery impossible.
miscarriage is hard. men in particular are just not equipped to understand how hard it is on women. Men AT WORST see it like losing an arm in the war, where "that sucks, but you got to put one foot in front of the other, and keep pushing forward" and unlike losing an arm, you can always just start over and try again, not really THAT big of a deal. For women, it's like they personally strangled their living breathing baby, and they didn't mean to, but it happened none the less; They are the monster that killed their own child. Imagine having a cute toddler and someone just smothering them to death - the pain and the hate and the feelings towards what could have been and that person that took that from you...
It's just different.
I think hormones play a large part in this, but it's sage advice if you're ever in this position as a man: to really stop, and take a moment, and grieve.
Thank you. I will keep this in mind.
When people had to plow fields or die, they didn't plow alone. They worked, ate, slept and partied together. They were a village, a community. And if someone was toxic they were kicked out of the village because if they didn't kick toxic people out, the village would collectively starve.
those were the days
Yep… just that one simple trick was how it was handled
@@ridcully THE TRICK THE DENTISTS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW
CONFIRMED: Exiling people into the wilderness prevents burnout.
@@ForeverZer0 Medium article incoming.
In my experience burnout means that you need change in one way or another. That could mean a different job, project, sideline project, hobby or something else. Out with the old, in with the new. Burn out is caused by excessive routine. Work typically causes burn out when there is a lack of overall progress.
I like the “lack of overall progress” that’s the problem with me to feel burnout
It's not routine, that you can deal with. It's pointless work, or work perceived as pointless. Prof. Jordan Peterson mentions guards making prisoners carrying wet bags of salt to some place, that would then send them to some other place, etc until they were back at the starting point. It wasn't the hard work that broke them, it was the pointlessness of it.
You see it a lot in devs working at places that run on "constant crunch". It's not the crunch per se that burns them, it's the fact that nothing is done to change what leads to the need for crunch. Once you have no hope of it improving not matter how hard you go at the current issue, you burnout.
For me at least, some of my "burnout" was probably a severe nutritional issue. Adding more forms of protein to my diet (not just chicken) solved my energy issues, and gave me the energy to start making progress on my emotional burnout (which was more nuanced).
Keep in mind that during this time, I was working out, lean, outwardly healthy, and had normal blood pressure.
Moral of the story, if you have low energy, it might have a medical component. If you can afford it, get a doctor, talk to them, maybe get some blood tests done.
If you can't, learn the basics about nutrition, figure out the common deficiencies and try diet & supplementation changes.
@@ErazerPT PJP xD I would only believe half of what he says, he is not that good of a thinker.
@@VudrokWolf Pray tell, what did he say previous to his return from his addiction treatment that you found "not well thought through"? Did you even bother to read his books and see his university lectures? Because i get this exact take about Prof. Daniel Kahneman too, yet nobody seem to have read his books or listened to his talks or even have a clue about his work either...
Thanks so much for sharing your story - very similar to mine. I had severe burnout that got worse and worse by the end of covid. I eventually quit my job, and went full stop for almost a year, playing golf every week. Just like you, the "vacation" didn't help, and I took my bad mentality with me, even to something like golf, and it started to become a point of frustration too. That was mentally really hard to take ... golf had been my favorite hobby, and to see that become something negative left me feeling pretty hopeless. As I stepped back into working, I found that picking up a side project that I wanted to work on just for me (no hard goals or timelines for commercializing it), insulating my identity from the job, and realizing that the results don't really matter that much in the grand scheme of things, helped me to enjoy the process of creating again.
Every Prime's struggle story:
1) I had a problem
2) By the power of my will I decided to solve it.
3) I solved it
I love it
This generally works for about 85% of all problems
There will always be some that it doesn't work for
lol yeah, where was the willpower these two years? Or did it take two years to actually hit the rock bottom?
Nobody says you will solve the problem in one night. It just didn't work that way. Take your time to prepare yourself and your "will power" to do it, the point is to do not try to do.
@@shimokitazawa1217 In my experience solutions come with more knowledge, experience and a high enough level of frustration that you are willing to change your mind and take a risk in acting on it. So you need to cook for a while, then it clicks and you act on it and then mostly it works. This needs time and some kind of aha-moment or fuck-it-all-moment :)
It's hard to do mental gymnastics when you're just enriching some trust-fund kids who happen to be your boss.The only jobs that can give real purpose are handmade or blue collar jobs, sadly those jobs also pay pennies. So the trick is to do minimal work, get the bag, and gtfo asap, don't believe in "company is family" or similar kinds of bullshit.
Doing minimal work is soul crushing on its own because you feel as if you are just wasting away minute by minute. Really sucks
Thank you for sharing your story. I recently went through a crappy situation (very different circumstances though), and also had the same outlook on my job (there is a lot changing there too). I was able to pull myself out by doing exactly what you mentioned: side projects (that reminded me why I went into software engineering), as well as some networking. I realized that I need to focus on myself so that I can grow into the engineer I want to be. By refocusing the mindset, I can spot opportunities to develop myself and my team.
Thank you for everything that you do, Prime!
On vacation, I was actually surprised recently at how much energy I lost after getting back from vacation. This was the first time in my life I had less energy after a vacation than before. I don't know what changed in my state of mind. I was actually very productive in the plane back, but as soon as I got home, my soul left my body. Maybe it's part of getting older that you can't use vacation as a vacation anymore, I don't know.
When Prime says to start working out, also don't start doing 2 hours of high intensity cardio to the point where you are too time short and drained to do anything productive afterwards, balance
I'm dealing with extreme burnout right now 😪 Last week I told my PM that I need a month off starting immediately. I'm not super confident that i will get over this before the end of July but I'm seeking out anything i can. There is a big part of me that says to quit and move to SE Asia for a couple years, work on myself and execute on some side projects. Right now I feel like every day and every task is a fight and all we do is create more tech debt.
In my experience and in the experience of others I've talked to, a month might not be enough... I'm no expert but with extreme burnout a big problem might require big solutions. A MASSIVE change for me has been not only some more significant time off, but making some real life changes to focus on sleep quality, diet changes etc. as well as doing some "side project" things that are important for me and that mostly nobody else would care about.
@danbumbarger4732 💯 agree, I'm hoping that a month will give me a little bit of strength to make it to the next rsu vest before I quit but that's in Oct and and I honestly can't imagine making it that long at this point. I've always prioritized money over everything else, and I'm at the point where I'm starting to realize I have nothing (but money) and maybe the most important thing is actually relationships and who you surround yourself with.
In any case for July I'm focusing on mental health and getting therapy, spending more time outside, reading, prioritizing sleep, and exercise while also doing some self reflection to figure out what exactly I'm looking for in life.
I hope this job gives you a sense of purpose. You help a lot of people in a lot of different ways. My favorite thing about you is, for lack of a better way to put it, your spiritual awareness--You do a lot of inner reflection and it shows. I think a lot of people are drawn towards you for that reason whether they know it or not. You are so silly and playful yet very sincere and straightforward. You share your flaws and the struggles you've gone through with us. You're a great role model in how to approach life and the struggles that come with it, but most of all how to approach our own human flaws and shortcomings. You help a lot of us feel seen and less alone on this journey we call life. I love you from one silly human to another, and I SEE you.
I took 9 months off after i got laid off at my last job. I was burned out.
Now that I’m working again, I miss being unemployed and doing whatever I wanted all day…
lol
Life is bs after i got a job
What did you do instead? I got bored so quickly when when i was unemployed for 6 months, the last month was so bad i started to question my life lol.
@@Denimy0 You must not have hobbies that can be done at home. I like to computer program, create art, play piano, guitar, drums, compose music, home gym and build robots with rasberry pie + assembly language. When I was unemployed my days literally flew past because I couldnt decide which hobbies I wanted to do first. I guess people like you are just made for the 9 - 5 work lifestyle.
@@Denimy0 get hobbies man, stop just consooming and create some stuff :)
I think most of my burnout comes from doing too much of one thing for too long. I love learning how to solve problems, though once I solve it I don't want to keep solving it I guess. I need to move on to something new or else burnout sets in relatively quickly.
Really great stuff in here. Especially about vacation. People just need to remember this was his way and not the only way. Do what works for you. I'm gonna try to switch my perspective
Usually, I am giving you a lot of shit in the comments, but I'm glad you got rid of your burnout, be it a partial recovery from it or not. Keep it up!
I think I am burned out too. And longer vacation (1 month) did nothing. I lost the passion and I am not coding that much nowadays. So you recommend I should code more? But I don't see any purpose in this anymore. I don't know on which side project I could work on to make it fun again.
Do whatever you feel like doing not necessarily coding.
My experience and understanding is that deep burnout typically takes much longer than a month to get out of. The recommendation to code more I think has more to do with the need to do hard things that are important to you, which is different than just taking time off. So it is more about finding joy in doing hard things than avoiding doing hard things (which is why a vacation might not help...)
Thanks for sharing this. I’ve been in this phase of being satisfied for a while. It sucks. But like you I realize I come alive when I’m building things. Think I will commit to doing this way more.
Oh man, please express my profound condolences to your wife. That kind of experience can be absolutely terrible for a woman to go through. It's unbelievably, profoundly sad. I personally know of one very wonderful woman who sort of gave up on the idea of having children after a miscarriage. It's so devastating. Again, I'm so sorry.
This might sound stupid but I use Kiryu from Yakuza as my inspiration. Everything he does, he does it 100%. Never half assing anything no matter how dumb, from real estate to pocket racing to taxi driving to phone sx. 😂 Always whole-ass everything and you will find fulfillment in it and see the beauty in it. And if you get burnt out, find something else to whole-ass for a while.
It must be nice not to have crippling depression.
I just tried this advice, and it is actually worked. I went to the bathroom, and nope, wasnt going to half ass it, I am going wipe this sphincter like I never have before. And my gosh, was it beautiful 🥲
@@daysofend I actually do have it, I've had it since 7 or 8. This is just one of the things that helps me. Cognitive reframing. We have peaks and valleys like everyone else, just that our peaks are at or below most people's baseline. This is one of those things I use to bolster and extend the peaks.
@@pluto8404 that's the spirit 😂
People only get burnout for doing something that they hate everyday, if you love what you do, there isn't any such thing.
Wow. This really resonated with me. My first burnout crash STARTED with coming back from a 2 week vacation. I was "only" working 40 hours a week and still could barely get through the day because the work itself was crushingly frustrating.
After watching this I took some time to say "fuck it" and in my off hours start learning something that actually interests and excites me. Creating & learning without the pressure of delivering something is starting to make a difference.
Thanks for sharing your story!
Great video - need to watch this often to remind myself. Especially the part of "why did I start doing this in the first place?" - I really can't remember why I got to coding in the first place. I remember my first project, but I can't remember why I went with it.
same. that sucks
There is no prod, there is no dev. No test or cert or stage. There is only "Protoduction"
I’m so blessed that I live in the mountains of the USA and landed a job as a junior app dev. Found a house and a wonderful spouse. Love my life. Wish everyone could be in my position. Good luck to everyone on the struggle bus.
How old are you
One definition of burnout is extreme effort with little to no reward or recognition. In your case you might have started getting recognition through the charity and streaming efforts. I'm climbing out of the pit of burnout and haven't figured out the redemption part of my story yet, but having stepped out of a work environment that was toxic for me has done wonders for at least putting my feet on the ground again. Just wanted to put this out there for anyone experiencing more severe burnout...
Ecclesiastes 5:18 Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.
That's not really burnout that's just semi depressed and reframing perspective. Burnout is working so hard your adrenal glands don't produce stress anymore and you're overall down and can't function at the same level.
Burnout means you need to make changes. "Changing your perspective" is ok if it works, but don't try for too long. Sometimes you need to permanently change your environment.
The name
What helps so much with taking burnout PTO at my company is that all my work is offloaded. If I’m gone for a week all my projects are handed off. When I come back, I jump in totally fresh. It helps so much and I’m very fortunate that my company and line of work allows for this
I can't really relate to your burnout. My personal experience is that you're literally incapable of using your brain to do anything remotely intellectual. It is as if you brain just stops and nothing (coding, reading, whatever intellectual) will "work". The only cure was to take time to heal, it took months to get the brain in a shape to be able to do things.
From others I've heard other stories. But one thing that remained was that you would need time off. I've never heard of someone cured of a burnout by doing "more" of what burned them.
I appreciate you opening up about your journey through burnout and how you eventually overcame it. I'm currently experiencing burnout myself, but in my case, it's caused by the complex dynamics within my in-law family. While I've dealt with work-related burnout before, this situation is impacting me more deeply, affecting my passion for programming and my overall enthusiasm for life. Your story gives me hope that I, too, can find a way to navigate this challenging period and rediscover my zest for the things I love. Thank you for the inspiration!
Utah entrepreneur here, there are great jobs in Utah right now. my uncle is cofounder of silicon slopes and he says everyone’s looking for workers right now. And because of the whole Mormon thing, it’s a pretty good place to raise a family.
the hard truth about any personal crisis is: time is not gonna heal anything, learn something about it, yeah, that`s gonna heal something... That's why vacations endup getting things worse, but doing something new, a side project, more work, endup healing the burnout.
This is what I'm trying to do with learning Go and posting videos about it on YT - that gives me joy of coding again after I think 2 years of not having much fun from coding anymore.
Being a European, the USA feels a lot like "Europe, but with more cash to burn, no family, and WAY scarier/more violent".
I freelance, and half of my clients are in the USA. They pay me what is like peanuts to them, but is 8K a month for me, which is an amount of money that I would define as "monstrous" and/or "twice of what other programmers get", so all is good.
Sorry, but is that really a burnout? Just sounds like a normal "sucky period" in life. If you have a "real" burn-out, you don't even want to get out of bed in the morning... You definitely cannot work, like you said you still did (to a minimum amount). If you would try to work, your brain/body would just "block" and not let you do it. That's what I would consider a burnout. You seem to honestly know this yourself, as you claim "most of us probably had a burnout period". No! Having a burnout is not a "normal" thing everyone goes through at some point. A burnout is not like puberty. You were just depressed.
I would not pick Sweden, Tech overcrowded with Indians pushing the wages/rates down a lot + lot of outsourcing to Poland, India, PH....Healthcare is free but to get to actual doctor unless it is something serious takes quite some time. Corporate + personal + VAT taxes quite high, one of the highest in EU. Lots of gang violence in bigger cities, drug smuggling. Now many companies require Swedish lang as well, very anti immigration politics recent years, and yes I live here as immigrant. Sweden is good from May till end of August, if you live a bit outside of big cities or smaller city.
I have burnout on a weekly basis. I'm autistic with adhd, I work in project management and in the evenings I try to study front-end web dev. I dislike React, and every job asks for it, which is the first hurdle I have to overcome (I recently started learning Vue, and much much prefer it, and there are a few jobs). But out of the 4 years I've been studying... I've very rarely gone an entire week of studying everyday, or even 4-5 days in a row. I'll go on vacation, come back, won't touch code for 2-3 weeks after. I'll have a shit week at work, do nothing over the weekend, then do nothing the week following.
I'll listen to podcasts during work about tech, or i'll watch tech streamers/youtubers about web dev all the time, I just don't code.
The problem with vacationing as an American worker they’re too damn short.
Not long enough to really recharge while long enough to feel like you’re just getting more behind.
A job is a chore - a tedious but necessary task. Language is very important here, because most women will say that cleaning, laundry, cooking, are chores. However, they will also attribute a more positive label towards a job. Right? So, women do negative chores, and men do positive chores. But is it?
When I did operational work, everything just felt like boring, uninteresting, and I was glad to go home. When I moved to tactical and strategic levels, I found that there's an emotional and social factor that most people who complain about chores, don't realise. I get it, cleaning up a spill after having cleaned that area 5 minutes ago, isn't fun. But it's also very trivial. But coming out of a meeting with a budget grant and then receiving an email that the budget is halved, that's serious. Instead of providing work for 4 people, you can only afford 2. That's 2 fewer people you can get ready for promotion or skill development.
Yes, I have suffered from burn-outs and bore-outs. It usually has to do with opportunities to improve processes and quality of datasets, and upper management not caring about it. I get depressed like that when I can't do what I'm hired to do.
This is the problem with work-life balance. I've worked on projects and teams I truly enjoyed, and could work 60 hours and feel great about it. Then had other projects that putting in 20 hours is a chore and felt like too long.
Thank you for this, I am overcoming kinda depression with burnout and I completely lost my skill in coding. I am living in other country that I am coming from, but still within EU borders. But I got stuck in some company for money, but the projects are not developing at all, hence I think that starting something outside could help.
i discovered your channel a few weeks ago, was there the other day when lex fridman asked the question about neovim, and now i saw this video. you are awesome man. thank you
For me it happens when you do work just to milk the cow. Like improving something 2x or working on a project that will make a bit more money. I mostly enjoy working on b2c stuff, seeing results and making the life’s of users easier.
Same for me. I founded a side hustle without earning a single cent during the last 18 Months. And I love it and I can appreciate my actual job much more. I thought I need more free time - but in the end only more work was helping me :).
My 2 cents: this vacation should be more of a reflection period. What I mean is, the problems you had before the vacation will not go away just because you took the vacation and so what I recommend is to address those problems from a distance, maybe think about if you want to change jobs, maybe you think about how can I turn this situation around (much like prime did with his thing). There should be a purpose of what to do once you come back, not only disconnect from the situation.
Just to clarify - it's not a normal or inevitable part of being a woman, to experience a hormone imbalance & suffer a depression. Yes it can happen, especially after a miscarriage which is very traumatic.
But I don't want the guys watching this to assume that this is just a normal thing that happens to women.
The plowing a field analogy is because while you were plowing your field every year, year after year. You were still a part of a community that you had strong physical, mental and emotional ties to.
You guys could share in your struggle and plight, and even work together to try and make it better.
I find in IT that this would be the best outcome, but every department is off doing their own thing, which does contribute to the whole, but it's not the same.
if my body and my soul are not some two separate distinct entities, rather, they're extremely interwoven "hylomorphic". then how come this is a mterialistic world, and everything is matter, and nature itself just sort of made everything up?!
If I were assigned to that testing clusterfuck project, I would have been the guy who hated his life and would likely have procrastinated on such a shitty project.
I will keep this lesson in mind.
You know what's even greater than this? Having a best friend who is also programmer, who is also working with you, who is also thinking the same.
Burnout happens when expectations does not meet reality. It's all about lowering those expectations and you can find joy in just about anything. Easier said than done though.
Of course it was Gustavo. It's always Gustavo.
4:18 find the joy. People need to realise that this has been a solved problem for thousands of years, all sorts of philosophies exist that basically say the same thing - happiness is intrinsic, wherever you find yourself in life you can be happy if you live following a basic ethos of striving to be good while doing your best. Look at Stoicism and Buddhism
Idk. I have a hard time hearing people complain about a job that pays over 4 times more than the average US salary, one that you were lucky to get into when wasn't insanely saturated with people trying to break in.
Recommend Robert Greene's, Mastery. I think Uncle Bob also has the same joynin a job well done.
Yea building websites can get boring
What amped me back up was side projects too!!!
Prime is the man!!!
One of the best videos on YT. People need to see content like this. So good.
Burnout had me really bad. I had to spirituality. I'm now a technomancer. 😅
I make games for a living.
we don't burn out, instead we get sick and have a divorce every two years.
Treating a vacations as a fix to your issues at and about work makes no sense. They do not effect one another. A vacation lets you maybe have some rest and some fun, but it is not a shift in thinking or work place structures.
Treating a vacations as a fix to your issues at and about work makes no sense. They do not effect one another. A vacation lets you maybe have some rest and some fun, but it is not a shift in thinking or work place structures.
bro, people did not fucking enjoy their time back in the days of plowing fields
Survivorship bias is always a good opportunity to humble bragg
Thanks for sharing this. I am also someone who simply finds the joy in programming and I always feel a bit down when my freelance jobs die out, or other hobby projects. My fulltime job is sometimes such a bore. Every company is the same. "We do agile". Translates to: we eventually grow big enough to start using Jira and then all the teams must incorporate the same workflow, process and practices without question and management will impose idiotic rules in every single repository in that organization because they read that "it leads to better outcomes", but in actuality have no idea what it means or stop to think of it in a specific context. When you can't change the ways you work to improve, that's when my eye starts to twitch a little bit.
Vacation resets your brain, so you may need to boot up WORK.EXE again in it. And it's as if brain boots from floppy disks. It takes a lot of time and energy, and brain tries to avoid it at every turn. Another thing I noticed is that rushing, trying to do mental work when it's not ready yet just increases brain's resistance and bad feelings. Sitting doing nothing and gently recollecting work thoughts bit by bit seems to work best.
All I have to say is
Software companies are great at sucking all of the joy out of programming.
I wish could have someone wise and experienced like you to talk sometimes
Amen bro. That's how you preach to the hearts and souls -- not to the minds and brains!
Please 🙏 can talk about Dart and Flutter ❤❤
What changed your mentality? Im going through this right now.
Why do I keep watching these burn out videos?