Flood Repair - Episode 40 - Lady K Sailing
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
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After a close call with sinking, we start to repair our Hughes 35 sailboat in the Bahamas and we leave Black Point, visit Little Farmers Cay, and land in George Town Exuma.
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Hmmm...I think this has convinced me to move as many electronics as possible as far up as possible in the boat.
A wise move. Our issue is to comply with code we kept the leads from the batteries short. That means the big draws and chargers need to be low near the batteries.
@@LadyKSailing it makes sense there is a code book, can you reference it?
Yes and tools in a water tight container like a pelaken box and thank god that engine is OK!
Great work!
Retired Michiganders who just found your beautiful vlog. Glad you are OK! Safe travels! P.S...Its cloudy and about 55 degrees Fahrenheit in Northern Michigan at present. UGH!
That blank is for winterizing. Good idea on the 5200 , the devils glue. The paddle wheel wast most likely on only a few threads, that's why it popped out on you guys. Most of those wheels have a loop at the top so you can pass seizing wire and prevent it from unthreading, much like a shackle or turnbuckle. That's great you made it all way to g town.
What I hate more about recovering from sinking is the panic that follows for a long time where you panic check the bilge because you believe you are sinking again even though everything is dry down there.
Good luck on the repairs, you will get through it!
So very true. I’m scared of everything now :(
Good recovery ! First thing I do before I put my boat back in the water is to remove my little paddle wheel thingy. I don't really care to know how fast I'm going in relation to the water. I'm more interested in my speed in relation to the Earth and a simple GPS does that just fine ! Mads has the right idea, to get rid of the useless through hulls. During the emergency having a map of all the through hulls on the boat would have been very handy. Thinking under pressure is difficult at best. Even a book with contingencies for all emergencies on hand is a good idea also.
I guess what can be gleaned from the near sinking or sickening panic... is to know where ALL factory holes are and be able to access them quickly and have bungs around in several locations. be aware in choppy conditions .... there can be structural damage as well ... I have heard of guys crashing into God knows what in high seas and not knowing until they can inspect the hull. it is good to run the motor as well the heat will help dry things out and get moisture out of the motor too..... Glad you are ok.... Thank you for sharing...
Hi Uncle John here enjoy your stay in Georgetown it Has do you be nice to be with so many fellow Canadians kind of like home Enjoy your time with family and friends It is 19° here and snow on the ground watching your video makes me feel better
Yikes snow! Glad to have you here with us in spirit. ❤️
Glad to see you guys are underway again. One thing I've learned watching your videos and others is that you can never have enough spare parts. And multiple copies of spare parts.
Note sometimes you can rinse electronics with fresh water then dry them out totally and they come back .Do not test them otherwise .
Both salt or running it wet will destroy it .
Definitely a near-miss with deep lessons. Zingaro suffered the same failure of the speed wheel blowing out but I don't know if they were beating through waves or not.
Two tips...
1. you can place a piece of sail cloth, vinyl, or canvas against the exterior of the hull at the hole to dramatically reduce water ingress while the hole is open. Of course, this means someone has to be under the hull, but a large piece of coarse, water-resistant fabric will cut water flow to a fraction like 1 to 3% compared to the open hole.
2. If possible, leave the wooden bung in. It will swell and seal way better than any adhesive applied in a submerged environment. Adhering the bung gives extra peace of mind, considering it will be hard to sleep well for a while even under the best of conditions.
SO GLAD you guys caught it in time and THANK YOU for documenting the incident so thoroughly. You've probably already saved some lives with the lessons so graphically illustrated here and will continue in the future.
QUESTION: How deep was Lady K wallowing in the water relative to where wave action would start washing into the cockpit?
How do you guys retain your sanity? Hats off to you both. Courage personified. New meaning to the saying 'when the going gets tough, the 'tough gets going".
Honestly, rum. It helps lol
@@LadyKSailing lol..me too
Glad to y’all are safe glad your boat made it as well. Tanks for letting us be part of your life’s.
You have each other you have your health and you have your boat still afloat What a wicked web we weave to keep our ships in the sleeve and not on the cuff Reef Runner out
Nice to Canadian Tire tools.... a true sign of a Canadian
Yeah just read a few of the comments placing a bung inside the boat will stop rhe leak temporarily but a narrow tapered timber bung installed from outside the boat malleted in the taper is usually long enough so you can run a pin through the top of the thru hull , this fix will stay in place when the boat is moving no matter what the sea state ..
Flex seal patch on the outside would stop the water pressure. Can be applied underwater. I always have a can on board.
On filling in both seacock holes. Before doing this, are you sure you'll never want to have a seacock for a future purpose? For instance, I know you have 6 big water jugs for extra water, but do you see a watermaker in your future? $ is probably a bit tight after the near sinking, but some watermakers are not that costly, $1500-1600 for ones from seawaterpro and $2800 from sunpurewatermakers . I have nothing to do with these co's just know of some cruisers who have installed. Putting in a replacement 3/4" forespar marelon seacock would run you around $65 plus shipping to Bahamas and you would not need to worry about corrosion. Just a thought. As far a filling in a hull hole- might want to watch youtube videos of Sail Life guy who has done a lot of DIY.
Glad you MacGivered that catastrophe! Hello from Tecumseh On Lake St. Clair.... chilly here today. Have had barely any snow so far this winter. Good winds and Happy Sailing!
That was the best day of your life. Shit always happens. You were very lucky to get the help you got. You also had the wits to figure out the problem. Kudo's to you. Life is good.
I have used 5200 for over 40yrs--I trust and recommend the product. I have always distrusted those plastic speedo units. 40 yrs a dive, have assited many boat owners with these units. Have a safe voyage to your haul-out-----Mikey
So happy for you that the journey can continue. And for me (possibly others) to watch you continue your journey.
Thanks for watching 😁
So glad to see things are getting back to normal. Looks like a great place to spend a couple months.
Just remember that the fiberglass up there will flex so keep a close eye on the screws holding that brace !!! I would of put a long bolt and nut and washers threw the wood plug from the outside that's how we fix barges until we can get them hauled out
Thanks. We made it to the haul out marina now so we should be good.
hope you guys have better luck for the rest of your trip we all miss you back at home! :)
p.s its kendal tims daughter
We wish all the best, your boat will be better than it was after all the hard work yall put into.
Glad to hear the Flycrates lead helped you. Expensive but you hopefully you get what you need.
Great video! Definitely looks like a place We could sail to and hang out. Love the color of the water!!
So glad you are doing so much better and made it to Georgetown. Looking forward to you next videos. The best of luck.
Thanks. Happy to have you along for the ride :)
Great to see you guys back up and moving!
Great effort to get to Georgetown guys and I’m with you on glassing over the through-hull fitting. Enjoy the stay and visit from family/friends!
What a terrible ordeal to go through. I am glad you two and the boat were saved. It’s hard to think when a shocking life threatening event first happens. It’s mostly panick at first. You both kept your heads and dealt with it. I have never been on a sailboat out of fear. My dad always kept a pleasure boat and we spent weekends and holidays boating all over Florida, no fears I loved it. Didn’t even get scared when we got caught in a bad storm and the waves were way over the boat. My dad knew how to captain a boat. Having said all that because I would trust you and get on a sailboat. Be well.
Rince cushion in fresh water they will not dry out when full of salt.
Excellent work you guys...Wow...what a few days you had...
Excellent video. I like how you have us a bit of everything. I’m glad everything seems to be working out with the boat and that you two seem to be doing much better. Looking forward to seeing more progress on the cleanup and repairs.
Hey thanks. Glad to have you along for the journey
A lot of electrical items will be ok after a freshwater rinse as long as their was no power connected to them. Used to repair commercial high power inverters and the first thing we did when arriving for repair is to jetwash them inside & out including all the electronics to get 20odd years of dust & grime out of them.
Thanks. We’ve got a couple sewing machines we’re trying to save with the same method. Wish us luck
Thank you so much for all your wonderful videos... I'm in lake erie an your videos are teaching me so much for when I decide to make my trip.... again thank you guys very much
Nice video. Glad you both are in good spirits. I’d much rather be there fixing a boat than here in Rochester in the snow and ice.
There are notches in the thruhull fitting to make sure it is oriented Sotheby’s paddle wheel goes bow to stern. It will not fully screw down if the speedometer is not properly oriented.
Then why doesn’t the blank fit?
Lady K Sailing not sure if there are notches in it or not. I’m usually doing this when on the hard and not in the water - much less stress.
When I was in college, I had a similar experience kicking off a thru Hull when motoring from LA to San Diego. Floorboards were floating and everything. Your story brought back the memories
So happy to see you recovered from the near sink..... Good luck.
LOL Thats exactly what I was expecting Icelandic humor The greatest episode guys well done Peace
Glad able save your sailboat ⛵️! 😀⛵️😀
i get that fried electronics smell if i think too hard. hate that.
boy....that water really rushes in when you pull that plug. it helped give me a better feel about how close you were to sinking.
glad you're up and running again.
great episode btw.
Thanks so much for watching 😁
@@LadyKSailing you keep sailing, i'll keep watching...deal?
thanks for having me along. :)
So sorry to see that happen to you both but you did very well considering what was happening. You kept your cool and did everything right. Way to go and fair winds to you both.
Thank you so much 😁
First video I watched by lady k was you sinking OMG heart racing moments
That moment when you open a hole in your boat on purpose
The sound of the water is sickening
Just got my notification for the episode. Stoked to watch!
Back to port and have the boat lift to do a proper installation of the paddle wheel. Secure the locking ring with a thread so it doesn't unscrew no more.
Actually we’re glassing over that hole
Dry the tools out real well, I had entire set of Rigid cordless tools, including the charger, that went under water in Hurricane Sandy, all still work fine!!
Thank you for the knowledge you guys are very intelligent ⚓⛵⚓
WELL DONE YOU HAD ME WORRIED FOR A WHILE, SO GLAD YOU FIXED THE BUNG ..🐱🐈🌝🌞🌙🌕🌋🌎🌎 FROM SAILOR LEO OUTER HEBRIDES ISLE OF LEWIS VILLAGE OF SHAWBOST..
Nice to see your getting things put back together. Be safe and sail on.
Thanks. Feels good to get back on track
When getting stuff shipped sometimes it is best to find out what shipping company services that areas and have your items shipped by them if you can, it can save a weeks.
I look Forward to your videos every week. I'm so glad you made it to Georgetown and and are doing alot better. Im up here by lake st claire And always wondered how one would get to the ocean from here.
It's so cool how you did it.
Your a blast to watch Thanks again.
Hey thanks for joining us. Miss everyone back in the lake but happy to be where it’s warm
take apart, soak in distilled, reassemble. make sink alarm with two wires and a cork in bilge to a buzzer from the battery.
Very Happy to see your safe and getting your good spirits back. Wishing continued good luck(u didnt sink :) ) and good health.
You guys are amazing. Much love. Giver
Thanks so much 😁
To be honest that was scary just watching the light and water while changing the paddle wheel. Good job though.
It was very unnerving for sure
Put the plug through the outer helmet and repair with tranquility
A plastic bag and wood is excellent, it worked for me
The community that my sailboat is hooked at has a wonderful response community last month a boater was away when seacock hose failed and cracked under pressure someone noticed the boat was sitting low so everyone just springed into anction one person located the new hose and two others who had generator power and high suction hose got there started pumping while the others replaced the hose line and even after that myself and one other was at work so when we got off went down with fresh water and soap and started drying and diluting down the salt drying out any wet items i had a land spot to wash there clothes and everything went as calmly and organized as possible and i trust the community out there to do the same if anything happened while i was away. One individual went and moved my boat after a storm as my anchor slowly dragged my 100 feet of chain closer to another vessel and didn’t even know it was done till after of course i tip my fellow sailors with either extra gear or cash for assistance
You might want to check out the channel Sail Life Mads does a good job explaining how he glassed in unused thru hulls on his project boat.
Will do thank you
THE NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE OF RON REAGAN IS VERY SIMILAR OF THE N.D.E.EXPERIENCE THAT HAPPENED TO ME ...WHICH CHANGED MY LIFE ..I. REALISED THEN WHAT WAS IMPORTANT IN LIFE ..I'M NOW DISABLED SO CAN'T SAIL NOW ..BUT I ENJOY YOUR AWESOME VIDS..MUCH THANKS...🌝🌞🌌🌉🌊🌎
You guys are awesome.
Thank you 😁
There is an Use your way to plug that hole. If you didn't mind going swimming you could take one the plugs in rubber mallet and go underwater and put through the hole on the outside the boat in the plug would be pushing into the boat preventing more water coming in. I've tried it it works it works.
Enjoy the Georgetown Cruiser community. if anything like Marathon in the Florida Key; You gonna have an awesome time and you will not want to leave.
BTW say Hi to Steeve, SV Cactus, for me ;)
Haha we met him today what a great guy
Bad place for the paddle wheel, when you are in a rough Sea.
In my experience with two boats with those paddle wheels the plugs have a key on them which fits into the through hull only one way, rotate the plug until it drops into the key way all the way then you will be able to screw the cover all the way down, hope that helps
Mine is a screw in with a pin that goes through the ducer as safety. Lucky it’s in a locker of its own you could make it water tight with a lid all good keep going
We going to glass over it 😁
@@LadyKSailing Best way, they tend to be rubbish anyway. They bind or gum up and just stop working. Thats why their in that fitting you have so you can take them out for cleaning once every few months. With GPS speed over the ground with plotters their not really neccessary anymore except for working out tidal flow.
Great video glad you both are doing well and am glad you are at Georgetown. I would let a pro fix the whole in the hull. I am handy but after what you two experienced I would not want to try fixing it myself. That is just me. Enjoy your family visit Georgetown is very nice from what my friends tell me. have not been there yet but it is on my list my friend across the street went there a lot and loves it. Safe Sailing and Happy New Year.
Another great video I look forward to this thanks have a beer for us in -30
Thank you so very much ❤️
Electronics are fun, from an electrical engineer, LOL You can directly connect your solar pannel to batteries, you have to watch that you do not over charge, but in using your electrical system you would be hard pressed to overcharge your batteries, at night disconnect and see what your battery voltage is 13.5 volts or less, which is float voltage and you can use the full output of solar panels
Hey thanks. We can’t do that unfortunately. Our panels run at 72 volts. It requires an mppt controller.
Glad it's all working out and that you both are safe... Cannot understand how the designer of the fault causing part felt it a safe or good idea to design something so important so badly.. How many boats have gone down over the same stupid design if the company is still making them you should contact them and raise a stink...
On a side note to do with carrying spares as sombody commented below:
...Boy Scout's Motto be prepared...
I'm Told Lord Baden-Powell came up with this cause he was into sailing....
Wikipedia Statement " A camp for Scouts was held at Bucklers Hard, Hampshire in August 1909 at which boating activities were a focus. In 1911, Baden-Powell wrote the booklet Sea Scouting for Boys. Warington Baden-Powell wrote Sea Scouting and Seamanship for Boys in 1912, with a foreword by Robert Baden-Powell. "
Just one of the useless facts floating around in my head :-)
I doubt you will get the foam in your cushions dry, unless you can rinse with huge quantities of fresh water. Even then they may stay damp,
We left them out in the rain and they seem okay now. Dehumidifier for three days helped too
Hope it works, it’s the salt crystals the cause the problem as they attract moisture . Also get a hose and wash the underside of the cabin sole with freshwater. pay special attention to the lower part of the bulkheads else you get mould.
I hope what we did helped in some way or another guys.
I really appreciate your vlog, and I find your commentaries interesting.
I am curious why you did not try to also plug the leak from the outside. It would have made inspection and repair easier I think.
My curiosity continues: on a boat that big, would it not be a good idea to have a pair of automatic bilge pumps, instead of one
that was 'on its last legs' ?
Sorry if I missed it, but did you ever figure out which part failed? Since both the plug and the transducer failed to screw down tight, I assume it has to be the threaded portion, but it seems like that would be visible. I have a similar setup and I'm about to head to that same location... I don't want to make a similar video!
WHEN A THREAD ON A BUNG WON'T HOLD WRAP NEWS PAPER AROUND THREADS ON BUNG, AND IT'S A GREAT TEMPORARY FIX WORKS EVERY YEAR TIME...🌎🌊🌉🌌🌃
It makes a very disconcerting noise when you pull the plug as well!
Don’t forget to Wd-40 that alternator good vid keep on keeping on
Hello Capt Tim. Real bummer about the results of your hull sensor issue. Watching your plug test I'm wondering why your thru fitting flapper is not helping to slow down the water ingress. That indicates that the flapper on the thru hull is gone or it is stuck. If stuck it can hang the sensor or the plug up from fully seating. Sometimes folks get so anxious about removing the sensor and or plug, they jam it in there in haste and cause damage to the flapper. So it just sits there against the thru hull interior and hangs things up. Or... it gets bent and hangs things up. Worth exploring I think because you can inspect the threads and if they're sharp ridged on both the cap and the through hull then that's probably not your problem. The sensor or plug must seat all the way before you start tightening. If it's hung up the threads will not draw it down. It will start but will not draw it down. Any arrow on the sensor top is simply a reminder of which way is the front of the boat so that the paddle wheel gets oriented properly. Also the comment regarding lubing the O ring is very important. At times it's the difference between getting it in and being confused about why it won't go in. When either the sensor or plug seats, you can feel it set. There should be an O ring on the top and bottom of both the sensor and plug. Forgive me but I'm somewhat opposed to you putting anything permanent over that cap. If we're all wrong and that thing is seriously jacked you'll want to get at it without restriction. Whatever shoring you do should be temporary until you can properly investigate. It's a hole in the boat right? Anyway, love your trek and vids. Thanks for sharing.....Capt Kaz
Hey thanks. Yes we do not have such a flapper. We’re at the haul out place now and that’s all be glassed shut 😁
@@LadyKSailing well.....that solves that. Good luck 👍🎐
The threads in the thru-hull fitting were probably munged by whamming in the wood plug.
Like half a gal of water per sec!!??
Wow!
I have been thinking about emergency battery or batteries higher up in the boat.
Oupps that’s a bug
Did you ever think to put a plug from under water... that Way it can not come off😁
I did consider it but the hole is only deep enough for one plug and I’d rather be able to see it. Haul out soon to glass over it.
C´est vrai ce ne sont pas mes onions, mais bon, bah, bref:
By the way there are excellent videos here on youtube about this case, see Yachting Monthly's Crash Test Boat - Through Hull Failure
So lets do the math, for all of us:
I presume that the transducer has a diameter of an inch, well mine has (if wrong correct me)!
So the inflow of water was about (taking the high estimate of the seacock being 1m below waterline) a small bathtub a minute (well recording to Bernoulli).
25,4 mm= 1” = 135 l/m = 8100 l/h = 2100 G/H
31,0 mm= 1 ¼ “ = 200 l/m = 12000 l/h = 3170 G/H
38,0 mm= 1 ½ “ = 300 l/m = 18000 l/h = 4750 G/H
Inflow with through hole 0,5m below waterline
25,4 mm= 1” = 96 l/m = 5760 l/h = 1520 G/H
31,0 mm= 1 ¼ “ = 142 l/m = 8520 l/h = 2250 G/H
38,0 mm= 1 ½ “ = 213 l/m = 12780 l/h = 3375 G/H
Looking at your boats waterline, it seems to be just about your seats height in the settee, so you have probably taken on the amount of water equivalent to your construction displacement hence about 5000 l.
Well then the intake must have been going on for at least 30 minutes (15min at 1 ½ inches).
You had three Pumps, ok one was probably an old piston pump, mine does 20 l/min, so it would slow things a bit, but would go down under anyway.
In modern times I would not consider this a sufficient bilge pump, mine just empties my grey water/sump tank.
I never heard anything about the third one, so it was obviously not ready for action.
Now the more power full bilge pumps in mid price range would manage about 190l/min at level and 100 l/min lifting 2 m, so they likely would have equalled the intake.
The same holds truth for the best manual pumps, about 100 l/min at lifting 1m, this would leave you with 4 buckets a minute.
So if you could not keep up with the inflow, you can´t have done better than a good pump would have!
Do the math, or look at your own footage, if you manage to get the bucket (10 liters) filled ¾ (which obviously was not achievable) it would mean to gush out more then a bucket every 3 seconds, to equal the inflow not talking about a good pump, well then good luck trying and keeping it up for a while!
Now it´s true the smaller older manual pumps just manage about 50 l/m, but looking at min 8:50 to 9:06 I highly doubt that you ever reached that rate!
Thus the scared boater and bucket is, in modern times, I am sorry, for me a myth.
But as said, I seem to miss out on something here.
I would definitively go with an investment of about 170 $ (electric + manual), ad the Submersible Sump Pump with chopper (4356GPH, would probably have done the job all alone)
for the generator (in a dry bag) and hose 130$, happier cruising for 300$.
Fair winds
the angry ol monk
An please, please, do find a way to drain your cockpit sufficiently and get an acrylic and sealed dropboard (4" perhaps) for your frightening low companionway. I would not like to even imagine getting pooped/boarded by a wave with this setup.
Actually dude you are better off running a solar controller for each panel so 2 30a controllers having seperate controllers increases the charge current substantially
The west sys is the best but u ave to know what the boat is polyester or something else on resin and twelve to one one grinding ratio on hull thickness you can make that patch stronger than factory JOHN
That’s the plan so far thanks 😁
Don’t screw around with epoxy use a polyester resin that is what the boat is made of .less time more effective in the long run.yes Tim you can do it yourself. Prep work and make sure it’s Dry!
It doesn't matter what the boat is made from, epoxy will always provide the strongest mechanical bond, the problem with epoxy is that once you apply an epoxy repair nothing but epoxy will ever stick to it. I had to repair the hull behind my keel and chose epoxy. This will be gel coat application #3 on year 3 since the repair this spring because nothing will adhere to the repair. Actually last spring I skimmed the cracks with 4200 just so I could launch.
One tip. If you're using polyester resin use a wire wheel on a grinder or drill. This exposes the hairs of the glass and gives a really good bond. And don't skimp on the acetone.
I thought those through hulls were supposed to have a flapper to minimize water flow when swapping/pulling speedo wheel?
The color of that water...electric aquamarine I call it.
It’s so gorgeous
@@LadyKSailing especially on the outside of the boat. :)
Sometimes there is a notch on the plug so it aligns the paddle wheel and you need to turn it to push all the way in then screw it on.
Yes some do. 5is one doesn’t seem to.
If you guys decide to sell and go for another boat I have a Hunter 41 DS for sale in Punta Gorda Florida all set up for long range cruising.
Wish we had the money good sir but thanks. We will make due 😁
It is just a suggestion that is scary almost losing everything.
Plug it and glass it!
OFF TOPIC....would you consider Norman's Pond a good hurricane hole?
I’d say it’s great. Protection and holding are excellent. I’d rather be in Grenada lol but if I had to I’d do it. Trouble is you could get stuck in there if the sand at the entrance shifts during a hurricane
@@LadyKSailing great. Thanks. Starting make "hole list " for the insurance company. Looks like a great spot to get stuck in though.
Plastic through hulls are the devil
put vasoline on it the o-ring
Plastic crap you don't want to use. Yep just glass it over.
You got lucky... could have lost the boat!
have a question, what happens in the U.S.A when you call cost gard ?. do you get a bill or is it taken care by your insuranc? or do you have donate to the cost of the service ?. I live in AUSTRALIA and we have v.m.r. who reqiuer membership, and donations.
Gerard.
No charge for rescue calls to US Coast Guard thanks to the American taxpayer..
I work at a boat yard.
Underwater patch material?
Who work at the boat yard.