It's important to remember it was Historia herself who "initiated" the pregnancy by asking Eren about having a child - she hated the pressure she felt from the 50-years plan and everyone expecting her to bear children out of necessity for "the greater good", and she hated that she would be forced into something not of her own free choosing. So she decided to "usurp" that choice from the military - they were the ones who would force her to have a family (apparently with a political match they would be choosing for her) for the sake of their plans, so she took that choice back for herself by having a family of her own volition and not for any plan (this is similar to how she "usurped" the choice of becoming a Queen from the military in the Uprising arc - they wanted her to become their puppet queen to serve their regime plans, while she became Queen to serve her own wishes and goals instead), and did so with a partner she chose herself - at this point in time Eren's the closest friend she has, and considering all they went through together in Uprising, as well as Eren continuously standing up for her in public meetings, and so it makes sense he would be the partner she picks. Eren meanwhile obviously cares a lot about her, as shown when he hid important military information for her sake, as well as him constantly bringing up her safety during the timeskip - ever since Uprising it's clear they built a close bond, which isn't a stretch when you consider Eren in Liberio shows he associates romantic love with wanting to protect a girl from becoming a titan, while he did exactly the same with Historia (And remember !! Eren having a flashback of Historia asking him what he thought of her having a baby when he visited her before leaving for Marley while Zeke is talking about Mikasa possibly liking him.. Also the baby being born on the exact day of Rumbling.. Historia lying about her Pregnancy date to Levi , Eren waiting outside the barn while she talks to Farmer-kun??? Why include all that if it wasn’t going to lead anywhere) As for why he would become a father when he's going off to do the Rumbling - Eren is a natalist, like his mother, and believes children being born is a special thing regardless of circumstances, so his own circumstances and actions wouldn't deter him from having a child because in his eyes they don't matter in the face of being born into this world. Anyway, Eren being a father is what would make him double down in his determination and decision to live through the hell he's about to endure (tying into Kruger telling Grisha he needs to love someone inside the walls/"have a family" in order to fully commit to ending the cycle, which is what would've seen with Eren here). Eren saying "You Are Free" to his own kid would make so much more sense than Grisha saying that to Eren when we all know damn well that isn't the truth.. Getting The Children Out Of The Forest/Children Surpassing Their Parents was one of my favorite themes of AOT (just like "Bystander" was one of my favorites episodes from AOT) It was shown to the audience time and time again just for it go absolutely no where is frustrating and makes me wonder why did i even invest time on this story.. You can clearly tell That Eren and Historia were going to put an end to that theme there are countless evidence in the manga (the "Scrapped" final panel even confirms that )and you can see that in the anime as well even tho they've tried their best to conceal the evidence by even cutting off Erehisu scenes...ooooof I could literally go on and on about this but what's the point Everything about this story is pointless and meaningless and it's hard to "Accept An End Like That" ...
Agreed... Mikasa being endgame made no sense at all. Historia and Eren's relationship had an actual build up, it made perfect sense. It makes me wonder what Isayama had originally in mind because Mikasa's role felt shoehorned and a modification.
Also, there were implications about Mikasa's tattoo and her being Hizuru Royalty but the whole plot was discarded as if it never happened. Just there were implications or should i say straight up evidence of Hisoria's child being Eren's but that whole plot was discarded as well as if it never happened. This all seems to me like they retconned it to oblivion because they wanted to end it quickly for whatever reason. Everything past chapther 127 looks and feels like a retcon and wrap up of low quality. As if Isayama had a gun pointed at his head and was ordered to end it in the fastest and worst way possiblle for unknown to us reasons.
@@bogjesrbin484yeah dude, just like when he stated multiple times in interviews that he didn't intend to make Eren's and Mikasa relationship as a romantic one, but now we have chapter 138 and 139. Something being canon doesn't automatically mean that is what the author originally intended or wanted to portray.
It’s not that the fandom “was” with you, because the themes can still be important to individuals even if some(prolly a lot tbh) people think the ending made the themes bad or not important. Also what about all of the proof in season 3 of Eren manipulating Eren Kruger? Like why doesn’t anyone that makes arguments of the ending not making sense not talk about their feelings on Eren manipulating Eren Kruger? I feel like I would believe the ending was truly bad(other than the story writing and storytelling) if someone came up with why Eren’s head and voice replacing Kruger’s in season 3 wasn’t foreshadowing that Eren manipulated his own birth due to the predestination paradox stuff. And what about Eren’s “dream” in season 1 episode 1? No one that hates the ending tries to explain all of the stuff that points to the timeline having been fixed from the beginning and assume that Isayama retconned the ending. Also the story throughout AOT was probably still important if you thought it was important back then when wou first read or watched it cause I mean, that was the point of Armin’s talk with Zeke, but if you thought that was stupid than idk what to tell you because that is what Isayama probably wanted to tell us as one of his messages. The earth will probably end up being being swallowed by the sun in a couple thousand years or however long, but that doesn’t make our current lives and everything we do meaningless does it? I still think all of the scenes throughout AOT and the themes matter but that is only my opinion. There are many things(lots of parallels as well) that hinted at the timeline being fixed even since season 1. I do get why the whole predestination and fixed timeline stuff makes many people mad though, I personally still find meaning in all of AOT and even though the storytelling and writing in the ending is bad, the ending has brought AOT up for me, call me “I’ll minded ending defender” if ya want but I am being honest, just like how Odin is being honest about his feelings towards AOT.
d @biggamer7245 my comment is just talking about how the EDs know what we talk about but they think its unimportant to the story at the end. It just sometimes feel like we should of been more civil in our discussions then being tribalistic. who knows in time people will watch other shows and rewatch this and actually see the problems.
@@mooncrow2447 I get your point if people actually say stuff like that, but if people are making assumptions that anyone that didn’t hate the ending didn’t care about the journey is something then that is something I just don’t get. Are there people that say they like the ending and also say that “oh everything else in the story in seasons 1-3 didn’t matter but the ending is good anyways”? In my opinion, the whole conversation between Armin and Zeke in the paths was a message that implies the opposite thought, that even though the rumbling and everything was a predetermined paradox, everything we went through to reach the end still mattered, but that is just my opinion of course. I just feel that there has been a big bias made on people who don’t hate the ending, saying that anyone who doesn’t hate it is ill minded and stuff and calling anyone who hating on the ending “ending defenders”, which I think is just straight up rude, we all have our own individual opinions. The writing in the ending was bad of course but I personally don’t think anything was retconned. I have rewatched AOT enough times(like 4 or 5 times total, have watched the finale part 2 twice because of how confusing it was) to believe enough in the ending we have gotten. I have also looked at all of the lore and everything since Isayama said he forgot it and yea, I know, everything is just a head cannon since nothing is confirmed, but I am still able to make sense of things even with how messy and confusing the ending is. We should be civil in our discussions yes, I agree 100%, and I think it is important to respect each others points of view and perspectives. I do agree that rewatching AOT is important for all of those that have never rewatched it, but considering you hate the ending(which I think is totally reasonable, and as I said we all have our own points of view) I would like to know, have you rewatched AOT before? I feel like in general the toxicity of the ending started because “both sides” of “ending defenders” and “ending haters” are telling each other that we don’t understand the ending when AOT in general is subjective, like sure the writing for the ending I can say can be objectively bad and definitely confusing, sure, but other than that I just think both sides end up being hypocrites when telling each other that they don’t understand anything, which isn’t true, we each have our own opinions, I personally feel that we should respect each others opinions and I am sure many others do too, the controversy over the ending reminds me of the message in AOT how humanity never stops fighting until there is one person left, that was a quote made by Erwin early on, can’t remember which season.
@@biggamer7245 youre mistaking there being a fixed timeline in universe to there a fixed timeline out of universe. the rumbling and paths were planned from the start, but isayama even said he changed the ending.
@@leetagent He said he made it less dark but kept it the same. I’m my opinion I think that means that the rumbling would have still happened and the “plot twist” of Eren killing his mom was likely still planned from back then, the writing is bad but I feel like the stuff about none of the paradise members surviving is maybe what he meant by making the ending less dark, but that is my opinion.
I finished it, and I’m sad that a fantastic anime ended like this. Season 1-3 are just masterpieces, but fourth season was a mess. Especially the end, and Eren‘s 180 degree character turnaround. Because of this end, this anime can’t be a masterpiece anymore imo. Except we ignore the fact that season 4 exists. It’s sadder that most of the people actually like the end. So great to see that a Attack on Titan fan thinks objectively and made great vids like this 💪🏼
Some explain that we "never knew the real Eren" because the author "hid" it to "devastated" us in the End... but thats very very bad story telling nothing more.
Why are you sad that others like the ending? Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean others who did should be bared from getting to closure to a flawed but still a fantastic story
However they can’t.. because Historia has the royal blood and something unexpected might happen and Mikasa wouldn’t allow that because her entire shitty character exists to love Eren from the beginning to the very end, although I’m sure Eren and Historia will be a healthy good couple
@@Omega-jg4oq wait, what? You mean when she touches eren, it triggers him? Well, they can touch each other, this shit doesn't always work. Jean mentioned erehisu held hands multiple times to unlock some memories and nothing happened. Also, reiss hit yeager in the cave once. No memories
@@annett5 it’s risky.. Eren already saw enough memories as it is, how can you guarantee that it’s will not happen again? plus if Eren stayed Alive and married Historia.. that means Eren’s son will probably inherit his Titan power and Eldians can still turn into Titans.. how can he end the power of the Titans and specially it’s Mikasa who freed Yimir because she killed the one she loves the most and Yimir can finally rest in peace and with the paths no longer exist.. ah it’s confusing as hell
@@Omega-jg4oq the fact eren already saw the memories might possibly mean he wouldn't see more. Besides, if we take into account his ability to manipulate memories through time and space, the future eren can control passing ones to the past eren. Of course it should have been explained better, so only Ymir knows... About the child... Many hints and theories say: 1) eren would rather have not a son but a daughter, Ymir's reincarnation 2) she won't inherit titan powers as they disappear before she's born. Like, she leaves paths, gets reborn in Historia's baby and titans disappear as she doesn't make them anymore Mikasa freeing Ymir makes no sense at all from the writing perspective. I don't wanna even talk about that
@@annett5 but she should have stopped making the Titans the moment she gave her powers to Eren so there will be no Titan left and no one can transform into a Titan anymore, Also I don’t think Ymir reincarnation is even possible.. there’s nothing that can confirms this and even if Every Eldians are connected through the paths and it’s not even one of Founding Titan’s abilities, hell.. she already lived for 2000 years and she is not even technically Alive nor dead to begin with.. why would she want to be brought back to life? She doesn’t even have personality nor think on her own.. she doesn’t know anything and how can she want to live as child with parents she barely know them when she didn’t even care much about her own daughters back then.. oh jeez just let her rest in peace
the whole eren mikasa romance is the most forced relationship that the fans wanted so badly that they knew it was just not going to happen but isayama last minute decided to make them a thing. i’m so disappointed with the fact historias pregnancy was just forgotten and the fact we were shown her giving birth during the rumbling felt useless. what was the point of that part she was there in the first place. smh
Eren being with anyone feels forced ErenxMika and ErenxHis both suck, there was no point plot-wise in Historia's pregnancy because there was never ment to be, it was just a bunch of fan theories on reddit that made people think it was important. Her giving birth is showing the first eldian without any burden of titan powers, also having her dad be THE MOST IMPORTANT TITAN would just continue the curse that Grisha put on Eren (from a more thematic standpoint not necesarly a literal thing that could happen)
Gabi not dying is literally one of the most disgusting things about this ending. She was literally by far the most psychopathic and most hateful character throughout the entire show. She was the most annoying and most murderous character is anime history. And yet she survives. It angers me.
AOT in ch 132 - 139/sp 2 be like: I'm not questioning the relevance of: - "sins of the father", - "sacrificing something important to achieve/change something", - "being born into this world", - "surpassing the father", - "ending the cycle of hatred", - "keeping moving forward", - "keeping children out of the forest", - "believing in yourself" themes, I'm denying its existence
@@draglonconx7771 yeah, said by an ed It's so funny instead of using good arguments to disprove my point you get personal and pretend you understand the story better than the ending haters Well, I already got used to such a behavior of eds. There's nothing new or smart you guys have to say
@@draglonconx7771 top 10 ending defender arguments: you didnt understand the story you didnt understand the story you didnt understand the story you didnt understand the story you didnt understand the story you didnt understand the story you lack media literacy you didnt understand the story you didnt understand the story you didnt understand the story
Super well done video, and it depressess me so much that these themes weren't fully played out with the plot. It's especially annoying when I feel like I am crazy because so many people say that there was no reason or lead up to Historia's baby being Eren's. I am like, were we watching the same show???
Oh actually if this is the last AoT video you're doing I'm kinda bummed. Partly cause you unlisted/deleted older videos and this is their replacement, but also cause there's a lot more that can be said about the original ending, and very few people on the platform are interested in saying it. But if you want to be done, I respect your decision to end the fight, and thank you for dedicating your heart to the cause.
It's okay, because Greisha used the powers of the titans and guided the soldiers and their dogs to murder his sister to motivate him to create the Eldian Restoration!! 🤪 It makes so much sense now! 😱
I was someone who hopped onto the AoT train very late. Basically binged all the way to Final Chapters pt1, then read the like 6 or so chapters of the manga that was left. So this is my first actual exposure hearing the Eren x Historia argument. I think there are some good points made and I can see how you can set up expectations from it. I'm not the high analytical type, but I can just say personally, I never really expected that outcome. I always saw "sins of the father" threads as "cycle of hatred" threads. I can see the theme with sins of the father now, but, to me, it seems like it thematically resolved at Grisha actually treating Eren better, thus surpassing not only his father, but also his past failures as a father. There is the point of Grisha still giving the Attack and Founder to Eren, hence being another sin he committed as a father, but I think the emphasis there was the cycle of hatred as well as establishing the whole timeline shenanigans where it's a deterministic 1 timeline universe. It's like, you can argue why Grisha did what he did, but he still would have done it regardless, just like how Eren has mixed reasoning on why he did the Rumbling but was still inevitable. I also thought the focus with the sins of the father was the connection to the freedom theme surrounding Eren. In every case, the sins of the past generation limited the freedom of the next, and only through their own strength can they break free of it to actually be free and live as they are. Historia's theme was tied to self Identity and self Realization. Eren was tied to freedom. Through the sins of the father theme, it gave them a connection for growth that led to both of them growing in their own ways as their free selves. Lastly, I thought the whole Historia child thread was just a foil to Ymir. Put into a situation where they're forced to have children and take part in government shenanigans. But the difference was Ymir was forced to do so and didn't embrace the love for her children, while Historia's was self imposed, a choice, in order to preserve her own and her child's freedom, being able to choose her lover, and also giving love to her children like Ymir never did. I dunno how skewered this is due to the ending, but it's just how I saw it. It's why I personally enjoyed the ending. To me, it was all about the influence of connections between people and how those connections intermingled that could lead to a better or worse future.
If you take this "Sins of the Father" theme back to King Fritz then you have a completion of the sins of the father story leading to the founding of the titans. How could you overlook that?
Because it doesn't? King Fritz died 2000 years ago before the story even played out and it isn't even looped back to him especially not since the thing that resolves the titans is romantic "love" so sins of the father isn't even a theme by the end.
Changes i would consider better than what we got (a few things off the top of my head, feel free to add more): 1) Levi should have joined Eren because anything else is contradictory to his character. Levi always fought to free the people of the island and saw countless comrades die for that reason, also he saw his dearest friends get killed by the warriors, and now all of sudden he's a team with them because "le evil rumbling"?? 2)Levi should kill Zeke and Annie and Reiner in the most brutal way possible (after Eren has used Zeke) 3)Someone kill Gabi please, she deserves it 4)Eren must complete the rumbling while killing his traitorous friends who betrayed their homeland and comrades 5)Floch should be glorified as the utmost embodiment of bravery, and heroism and have a statue built for him 6)Historia bares Eren's child, which he successfully saves and protects by a successful rumbling, thus surpassing his father and grandfather who failed to protect their children.(surpassing the father theme being concluded in the best way possible) 7)Ymir actually having a character and a brain 8)Mikasa being killed by someone after being shown that she never truly loved Eren, only the image of him she had created in her mind, otherwise she would have never fought against him 9)The plot about Mikasa being Hizuru royalty actually leading somewhere and being of significance to the story 10) Eren not killing his mom because that's totally insane and has no reason to happen 11)Eren not convincing Grisha to kill the Reiss, he was already a dedicated restorationist, had no need for being convinced. 12) Eren actually not even having any time travel powers at all would instantly make the show 100 times better. 13)Back at the battle of the port and the plane, the Yeagerists whould have killed at least a couple of the main characters, maybe Jean or Connie, because the main cast having 100% survival rate is totally stupid and unrealistic. Also, the Yeagerists should have at least damaged the ship or plane or both, there was so many of them, it was unrealistic for them to be unable to shoot a damn boat or plane a single time. In fact, now that i think about it, the Yeagerists were so many and so overwhelming with the thunderspears and Floch's guidance, they should have at least taken down one of the main Titans, say Annie, or Reiner. Annie dying here at the port battle would have been great and made perfect sense.
@SpantzNair s t f u you paid shill. these are dead comment sections. nobody comes here anymore. your higher ups will be angry at you if the see you are wasting your time in dead comment sections.
You just didn't understad the story, when Grisha finds out Faye is dead he says he blamed his own stupidity overall, in paths Eren says to Armin he did the rumbling because he is just an idiot therefore surpassing his father's stupidity by becoming the ultimate idiot lmao It was truly a great journey, thanks for the analysis as always.
This is NOT my statement but I'd like to share it with you guys here (written by @cerene11 on YT): "I remember someone pointing out chapter 88 starts with (Kruger) Attack titan destroying Marleyan ship and ends with Eren saying "Attack titan" and continues in 89 with Hanji visiting his cell and asking him what he means. Chapter 106 starts with (Eren) Attack titan carrying a Marleyan ship and ends with Eren saying "Fight, fight" and continues in 107 with Hanji visiting his cell and asking him what he means. So the chapters are clearly designed to be parallels, 88/106 and 89/107. In both chapters 89/107 we have a scene where Eren and friends meet Historia prior to a scheduled meeting and there's a scene in both of Eren smiling at Historia. These happy scenes are contrasted when in both chapters Eren also becomes agitated because of Historia's safety being in danger, in 89 he keeps the information about royal blood hidden and in 107 he rejects Zeke's plan. And finally, chapter 89 ends with Kruger telling Grisha to have a family, and chapter 107 ends with Historia being pregnant. Coincidence?"
I'm an old man almost 50 and wasted my entire life working on cargo ships tanker ships and oil rigs and this show was my only entertainment that I had all the crew used to watch this show and i really loved it. but well when the show ended at the end I just felt like my time was wasted 😅 because what was the point. the season 4 of this amazing show just made me hate all the characters even the main character. I loved the first three season but season 4 just makes you realize how stupid all these characters are 😂 Eren went through all of that pain and suffering to kill the Titans until he realized who the real enemy is and he didn't even destroy them so that his friends could turn out to be heroes at the end or something ? I thought the whole goal was to make sure history doesn't repeat itself and Eren makes sure the future population of the island don't go threw everything he has but it just seems like he doesn't care. he never killed Arnim or Annie ( he even seems to care about them 😅 ) but at the same time he doesn't care about his friends or the island ? he lets his friends kill him that doomed the island but he also killed that girl Hange ? so then what was the purpose to defend the island or to protect his friend ? because he failed to do anything and history now keeps repeating himself and the island was destroyed at the end 😂 and all the characters in season 4 are just stupid in my opinion just mindless ROBOTS. it's like they don't even know why are they fighting. Mikasa doesn't even know what's she's doing she just does whatever the others do. and I know a lot of people might disagree with me but i think Arnim is one of the most selfish characters in this show and a manipulator in season 4 that made me hate him so much. Mikasa didn't even wanted to kill Eren but Armin manipulated the whole group into following his plan so that he could be with the Annie who is responsible for the death of his grandfather and destroyed half the city ? and nothing even happened at the end no goals accomplished nothing history kept repeating itself. I have a lot in my mind that I want to say but this show just pisses me off now when i see anything about it 😂 seemed like the entire thing was just a waste of time because nothing changed. and season 4 just made me realised how much these characters are stupid and how much I hate them even Eren 😂 . anyways I really like your video I still watch some of these videos about this show time to time but either way anything related to the show just makes me angry now. at the end it seemed like Floch was the only sane And loyal character with a mind on its own that that doesn't act like a mindless robot ( Mikasa )
Actually I think that's just part 1, the rest will come even later than that. I know they will nail it though, because they're free to have as much time needed as possible, they're not burdened by tight schedules
@@Philthorn also the manga version will be done before the animated one will come. They currently are doing patreon to recover their artists to finish after the hiatus/hiding from copyright. They have an official discord to communicate with everyone. I back them to help their journey. 💯
It's becoming more clear by now. Those youtubers that claim to "like" the ending, show his face throughout the whole video, rambling non-sensical, contradictory points. Those youtubers that hate the ending, show logical point by point, references throughout the anime. By now, we can rationally see that intelligent people hate the ending, E-diot people love the ending.
After what yuki kaji (erens jp va) said about eren today. It's officially over, eren is a trash low tier character, meant to be a pathetic loser for the rest of the his life
@@Odin69Hm, so does that fact ruin everything for you? The fact that Eren was meant to never be a character who gains the freedom that he wanted? The fact that Eren had always been a pathetic loser chasing after a dream that he could never reach? I mean I know the storytelling and writing for the ending sucked but doesn’t that make Eren and the philosophy of his character(freedom) interesting in some ways? I would like your opinion Odin considering you are the one making these videos on the ending being bad and what you thought the meaning in AOT was supposed to be.
I can't even count how many times or people I've talked to and debated AOT, despite anyones feelings on the story, man it really makes for a good conversation. I love hearing from everyone, i take a little from everyone and it made me understand the world better. Love it despite its flaws but i really enjoyed hearing your take, just got a new sub❤.
I see some people saying that AOT and its authors are doomsayers, but this is because they do not understand the Japanese culture of storytelling. In Japan, we do not use stories to appeal to our principles. It is only a fiction created by the author, and the important thing is to give the watcher an emotional response. Those who deny the ending wish for complete peace in Eldia, while those who affirm it accept a temporary peace. Although they differ in essence, they are talking about the same issue of "peace. It is common in Japan to create stories that raise the issue of leaving it up to people to make their own choices in the real world. I am not saying that it is wrong for people not to understand this. I am sure that new AOT watchers will have different impressions in the future. The fact that it will be talked about for a long time in that way means that AOT is a success.
The author tried to pull off a Watchman ending, but failed miserably because he got cold feet towards the end and basically made it so everything wasn't Eren's fault, but Ymir's.
Isayama must feel so gaslit and disassociated from the story he was once writing after reading how everyone talks about it online. You are correct, and everyone will still try to explain why you're not. You'll still get called a "conspiracy theorist" by people too insecure to consider that the ending may have genuinely been changed by the author. Ah well. I've made my peace with it. Thank you for making this video, Odin! I'd still really really love if you did a more in-depth video about foreshadowing for the OG ending and Eren/Historia/Ymir related things without needing to talk about 139 and its events, but this video is a great addition to the discussion that I will continue to share with people.
Not really. Seems like the peer pressure argument. Its still on you as an individual to decide what YOU want to do with your life(or in this case, manga"
When people say that Eren couldn’t be the dad because he wouldn’t leave the mother of his child like that, like he hadn’t at that point decide to start the rumbling. Or start to see why this the future he saw had to be that way? He was already planning on committing genocide when things went south. Are we actually saying that Eren at this point would be down for genocide but not down to help his royal bestie free herself from people’s plans for her by getting her pregnant? Killing millions is an acceptable solution to a problem but a helpful dicking down between depressed friends is a step too far? Seems weird to me.
Also Eren and historia have a healthy relationship and trust and talk with each other. The anime cut off a LOT of their conversations in Urprising arc but you can see they make a better couple than Eren with Mikasa
Thank you for 2 years of incredible content Allfather, maybe someday we'll find each other here once again (perhaps I'll mention all this within saintitchief's last aot video too, when it comes out) For now, Goodbye 😣😣😣😭😭😭
The death of Eren also ended the Yeager family line. Grandfather Yeager - dead Grandmother Yeager - dead Grisha Yeager - dead Fay Yeager - dead Dina Yeager - dead Carla Yeager - dead Zeke Yeager - dead Eren Yeager - dead
AOT No Requiem is getting an ANIME! should come out next year! about 7 months or so. MAPPA would most likely go extinct since it is treating their animators like crap. so this will not get copyrighted most likely.
All I have say is first very great analysis and truth Odin you hit all the facts man sins of the father was absolutely destroyed and retconned by the official objectively bad ending that went nowhere Second the official ending can go F 👎itself Third I can’t wait for ANR AOT Requiem and it’s animation that’s the real AOE right there that will fix this cluster F. I’ll even be adding the Levi fan ending and eren and kristia fan ending as a timeline alternate past interpretation hey I gotta give my boy eren something and it will be the perfect irony of remember when eren talked about there will never be a happy ending in season 1 boom full circle the end will be that irony with THE TRUE END at the end of it. And iam also doing this because I want to give a actual pay off to eren Yeager loopy plot twist which the official ending did not
Aot was never about friendship but always about family. Eren starting the rumbling for his wife and child would make much more sense than for saving his comrades
Saving the people he grew up amongst, his countrymen, the ones the survey corps gave their lives for decades in order to free, would also make perfect sense on its own, but if he had a child with Historia it would be even more perfect i agree.
You’re right it’s about fathers but it’s also about mothers Dina Fritz zekes mom and Carla Dina also pushed zeke to be a savior Both grisha and Carla then treat eren with love Carla is the one that put the idea that eren didn’t need to do anything to be great That he was great bc he was born as her son This contrasts reiners mother who wants to make herself important through reiners actions. So grisha does this right in his second chance But you have to remember that erens mother , whom was right to say , that eren is great bc he was born” Leads eren to believe he is special, that he needs to save the world… even though erens massively misunderstands this
Has anyone here watched assassination classroom ? assassination classroom is a really great anime. I highly recommend watching the assassination classroom once in your lifetime.
I thought it was kinda subverted? like we all thought "sins of the father" but then it turned out Eren was the sinner who manipulated his father. So then it became sins of the son. And that was the kinda end of that plotline
Not really. Grisha delayed the cycle. Eren was disappointed at grisha. He didn’t lie to zeke. But he wasn’t disappointed because grisha killed a family like zeke thought but because he gave up the mission and delayed it. We also never saw what eren has shown grisha to convince him to give him his titan
I think its better that things aren't stuck to like this, life isn't perfect and neither should storytelling be. I think if the ending was how you've said and how others wanted it, it would've betrayed how reality really plays out. I like that rawness about it personally, I understand its not so naturally enoyable due to the lack of connectivity between points of interest throughout the series. Though, like life, some questions are never answered fully and things dont always play out how we'd like. I think this adds more poetry to the story in many ways
Outta nowhere, people defending that "realistic" anime, decided to be pseudo intellectual for no reason. So, you mean to tell us that because life isn't perfect (understandable btw), that (theoretically) me for example, should die without ever getting at least a f'ing answer to let's say an important question that I spent my whole life trying to answer, and that's fine because "that's life"? The fact that we never get answers to anything is realistically good? Don't take it personally, but you're trying to be a philosopher and you suck at it, no offense
i started with aot way back in 2013 and was in love with the show and manga. but the day i read the final chapter when it dropped, i just didnt care for aot anymore. the ending and the events leading up to it felt so out of touch with the series. the ending was not good at all.
It seems that you yourself has mischarecterized this theme it’s seems to you that you forget this theme comes from the sense that you’ve lived so long theirs no escaping the cycle that is violence this was shown in both eren and historia 2 people who couldn’t escape their fathers sins because they’ve already commited them eren since birth was time scapegoat and historia since birth was born to be queen whether she wanted to or not so yeah this theme wouldn’t apply to eren or historia by yk who they do? ACTUAL CHILDREN aka gabi falco Kaya and so on the show also showed us this as we saw Kaya take a different path then what her idol her family did instead of taking life and entering the cycle of violence Sasha’s father talks her down and tells her that they need to get the kids out of the forest like I don’t understand why aot charecters victimize eren so much when he himself knows that he’s no victim and the same is for historia hopefully Aots message finally reaches you instead of you just mischcarecrerizing everything and anything in aot
Yea I am a “ending defender” to all of you guys just because I don’t hate the ending with a passion(the writing was bad and storytelling sucked but I’ve come up with my own meaning) ok but I’m not a toxic person and I would like to know, have you talked about *Eren Kruger* at all? I feel like he is an underrated character because Eren’s head and voice replace Kruger’s for a bit Kruger talks to Grisha, his head and voice replacing Kruger’s aren’t mistakes made by the studio and in my opinion is proof of Eren making sure his own birth would happen based on Kruger’s words, I haven’t heard you talk about that scene and same with the other ending haters. Can you explain what the scene with Eren Kruger meant? Can you explain why Eren’s head and voice replaced Kruger’s? And can you explain the “dream” Eren had in season 1? Another thing is I just don’t think the ending took away the thematic messages but that is just my opinion.
@@annett5 Exactly, that is my point, people are overlooking extra things within AOT and are only talking about the storytelling in the ending being bad and saying what AOT was “supposed to be”, but the meaning of AOT is what we as individuals make of it. No one is correct, no one is wrong, but the toxic “ending haters” community that has surfaced since the AOT ending 2 years ago acts like they are 100% correct and that anyone defending the ending is stupid or ill.
@@biggamer7245AOT's ending isn't even meant to be headcanony. The guy literally showed Paradis getting nuked and everyone else at least living good lines. That's as definitive as it could get.
Excellent video, good structure and detailed analysis. I do feel you could level up your narration by slowing down a little, also varying the pace to allow some key ideas to sink in. Completely subjective opinion of coursem
Eren would repeat past mistakes. 100% rumbling goes against the themes. Sins of the father wasnt a core theme. Erehisu wasnt real. You didnt understand the story
It's important to remember it was Historia herself who "initiated" the pregnancy by asking Eren about having a child - she hated the pressure she felt from the 50-years plan and everyone expecting her to bear children out of necessity for "the greater good", and she hated that she would be forced into something not of her own free choosing.
So she decided to "usurp" that choice from the military - they were the ones who would force her to have a family (apparently with a political match they would be choosing for her) for the sake of their plans, so she took that choice back for herself by having a family of her own volition and not for any plan (this is similar to how she "usurped" the choice of becoming a Queen from the military in the Uprising arc - they wanted her to become their puppet queen to serve their regime plans, while she became Queen to serve her own wishes and goals instead), and did so with a partner she chose herself - at this point in time Eren's the closest friend she has, and considering all they went through together in Uprising, as well as Eren continuously standing up for her in public meetings, and so it makes sense he would be the partner she picks.
Eren meanwhile obviously cares a lot about her, as shown when he hid important military information for her sake, as well as him constantly bringing up her safety during the timeskip - ever since Uprising it's clear they built a close bond, which isn't a stretch when you consider Eren in Liberio shows he associates romantic love with wanting to protect a girl from becoming a titan, while he did exactly the same with Historia
(And remember !! Eren having a flashback of Historia asking him what he thought of her having a baby when he visited her before leaving for Marley while Zeke is talking about Mikasa possibly liking him.. Also the baby being born on the exact day of Rumbling.. Historia lying about her Pregnancy date to Levi , Eren waiting outside the barn while she talks to Farmer-kun??? Why include all that if it wasn’t going to lead anywhere)
As for why he would become a father when he's going off to do the Rumbling - Eren is a natalist, like his mother, and believes children being born is a special thing regardless of circumstances, so his own circumstances and actions wouldn't deter him from having a child because in his eyes they don't matter in the face of being born into this world. Anyway, Eren being a father is what would make him double down in his determination and decision to live through the hell he's about to endure (tying into Kruger telling Grisha he needs to love someone inside the walls/"have a family" in order to fully commit to ending the cycle, which is what would've seen with Eren here). Eren saying "You Are Free" to his own kid would make so much more sense than Grisha saying that to Eren when we all know damn well that isn't the truth..
Getting The Children Out Of The Forest/Children Surpassing Their Parents was one of my favorite themes of AOT (just like "Bystander" was one of my favorites episodes from AOT) It was shown to the audience time and time again just for it go absolutely no where is frustrating and makes me wonder why did i even invest time on this story.. You can clearly tell That Eren and Historia were going to put an end to that theme there are countless evidence in the manga (the "Scrapped" final panel even confirms that )and you can see that in the anime as well even tho they've tried their best to conceal the evidence by even cutting off Erehisu scenes...ooooof I could literally go on and on about this but what's the point Everything about this story is pointless and meaningless and it's hard to "Accept An End Like That" ...
Well said, dear👏👏
You have great imagination, but the author of aot is Hajime Isayama. So his ending is canon, your beutiful story is not what he intended to portray
Agreed... Mikasa being endgame made no sense at all. Historia and Eren's relationship had an actual build up, it made perfect sense. It makes me wonder what Isayama had originally in mind because Mikasa's role felt shoehorned and a modification.
Also, there were implications about Mikasa's tattoo and her being Hizuru Royalty but the whole plot was discarded as if it never happened. Just there were implications or should i say straight up evidence of Hisoria's child being Eren's but that whole plot was discarded as well as if it never happened. This all seems to me like they retconned it to oblivion because they wanted to end it quickly for whatever reason. Everything past chapther 127 looks and feels like a retcon and wrap up of low quality. As if Isayama had a gun pointed at his head and was ordered to end it in the fastest and worst way possiblle for unknown to us reasons.
@@bogjesrbin484yeah dude, just like when he stated multiple times in interviews that he didn't intend to make Eren's and Mikasa relationship as a romantic one, but now we have chapter 138 and 139. Something being canon doesn't automatically mean that is what the author originally intended or wanted to portray.
It's good to see an AOT fan with critical thinking skills. Great video man
That faye dog food meme was foul lmao💀
Lmao
In the end, farmer-kun is the true chad of AOT.
So remember kids if you bully a girl as a child when you grow up you can marry them one day get them pregnant and become the king
It's a shame that the fandom was with us at one moment with these themes but completely take in denialism and pretend it wasn't important. Sad.
It’s not that the fandom “was” with you, because the themes can still be important to individuals even if some(prolly a lot tbh) people think the ending made the themes bad or not important.
Also what about all of the proof in season 3 of Eren manipulating Eren Kruger?
Like why doesn’t anyone that makes arguments of the ending not making sense not talk about their feelings on Eren manipulating Eren Kruger?
I feel like I would believe the ending was truly bad(other than the story writing and storytelling) if someone came up with why Eren’s head and voice replacing Kruger’s in season 3 wasn’t foreshadowing that Eren manipulated his own birth due to the predestination paradox stuff.
And what about Eren’s “dream” in season 1 episode 1? No one that hates the ending tries to explain all of the stuff that points to the timeline having been fixed from the beginning and assume that Isayama retconned the ending.
Also the story throughout AOT was probably still important if you thought it was important back then when wou first read or watched it cause I mean, that was the point of Armin’s talk with Zeke, but if you thought that was stupid than idk what to tell you because that is what Isayama probably wanted to tell us as one of his messages.
The earth will probably end up being being swallowed by the sun in a couple thousand years or however long, but that doesn’t make our current lives and everything we do meaningless does it?
I still think all of the scenes throughout AOT and the themes matter but that is only my opinion. There are many things(lots of parallels as well) that hinted at the timeline being fixed even since season 1.
I do get why the whole predestination and fixed timeline stuff makes many people mad though, I personally still find meaning in all of AOT and even though the storytelling and writing in the ending is bad, the ending has brought AOT up for me, call me “I’ll minded ending defender” if ya want but I am being honest, just like how Odin is being honest about his feelings towards AOT.
d @biggamer7245 my comment is just talking about how the EDs know what we talk about but they think its unimportant to the story at the end. It just sometimes feel like we should of been more civil in our discussions then being tribalistic. who knows in time people will watch other shows and rewatch this and actually see the problems.
@@mooncrow2447 I get your point if people actually say stuff like that, but if people are making assumptions that anyone that didn’t hate the ending didn’t care about the journey is something then that is something I just don’t get. Are there people that say they like the ending and also say that “oh everything else in the story in seasons 1-3 didn’t matter but the ending is good anyways”?
In my opinion, the whole conversation between Armin and Zeke in the paths was a message that implies the opposite thought, that even though the rumbling and everything was a predetermined paradox, everything we went through to reach the end still mattered, but that is just my opinion of course.
I just feel that there has been a big bias made on people who don’t hate the ending, saying that anyone who doesn’t hate it is ill minded and stuff and calling anyone who hating on the ending “ending defenders”, which I think is just straight up rude, we all have our own individual opinions. The writing in the ending was bad of course but I personally don’t think anything was retconned.
I have rewatched AOT enough times(like 4 or 5 times total, have watched the finale part 2 twice because of how confusing it was) to believe enough in the ending we have gotten. I have also looked at all of the lore and everything since Isayama said he forgot it and yea, I know, everything is just a head cannon since nothing is confirmed, but I am still able to make sense of things even with how messy and confusing the ending is.
We should be civil in our discussions yes, I agree 100%, and I think it is important to respect each others points of view and perspectives.
I do agree that rewatching AOT is important for all of those that have never rewatched it, but considering you hate the ending(which I think is totally reasonable, and as I said we all have our own points of view) I would like to know, have you rewatched AOT before?
I feel like in general the toxicity of the ending started because “both sides” of “ending defenders” and “ending haters” are telling each other that we don’t understand the ending when AOT in general is subjective, like sure the writing for the ending I can say can be objectively bad and definitely confusing, sure, but other than that I just think both sides end up being hypocrites when telling each other that they don’t understand anything, which isn’t true, we each have our own opinions, I personally feel that we should respect each others opinions and I am sure many others do too, the controversy over the ending reminds me of the message in AOT how humanity never stops fighting until there is one person left, that was a quote made by Erwin early on, can’t remember which season.
@@biggamer7245 youre mistaking there being a fixed timeline in universe to there a fixed timeline out of universe. the rumbling and paths were planned from the start, but isayama even said he changed the ending.
@@leetagent He said he made it less dark but kept it the same. I’m my opinion I think that means that the rumbling would have still happened and the “plot twist” of Eren killing his mom was likely still planned from back then, the writing is bad but I feel like the stuff about none of the paradise members surviving is maybe what he meant by making the ending less dark, but that is my opinion.
I finished it, and I’m sad that a fantastic anime ended like this. Season 1-3 are just masterpieces, but fourth season was a mess. Especially the end, and Eren‘s 180 degree character turnaround. Because of this end, this anime can’t be a masterpiece anymore imo. Except we ignore the fact that season 4 exists. It’s sadder that most of the people actually like the end. So great to see that a Attack on Titan fan thinks objectively and made great vids like this 💪🏼
Some explain that we "never knew the real Eren" because the author "hid" it to "devastated" us in the End... but thats very very bad story telling nothing more.
Why are you sad that others like the ending? Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean others who did should be bared from getting to closure to a flawed but still a fantastic story
Season 4 peaked with the Paths/memories of the future arc, then it was all downhill from there.
If eren and historia became a family, they would definitely be one of the best(-written) couples in fiction
However they can’t.. because Historia has the royal blood and something unexpected might happen and Mikasa wouldn’t allow that because her entire shitty character exists to love Eren from the beginning to the very end, although I’m sure Eren and Historia will be a healthy good couple
@@Omega-jg4oq wait, what? You mean when she touches eren, it triggers him? Well, they can touch each other, this shit doesn't always work. Jean mentioned erehisu held hands multiple times to unlock some memories and nothing happened. Also, reiss hit yeager in the cave once. No memories
@@annett5 it’s risky.. Eren already saw enough memories as it is, how can you guarantee that it’s will not happen again? plus if Eren stayed Alive and married Historia.. that means Eren’s son will probably inherit his Titan power and Eldians can still turn into Titans.. how can he end the power of the Titans and specially it’s Mikasa who freed Yimir because she killed the one she loves the most and Yimir can finally rest in peace and with the paths no longer exist.. ah it’s confusing as hell
@@Omega-jg4oq the fact eren already saw the memories might possibly mean he wouldn't see more. Besides, if we take into account his ability to manipulate memories through time and space, the future eren can control passing ones to the past eren. Of course it should have been explained better, so only Ymir knows...
About the child... Many hints and theories say:
1) eren would rather have not a son but a daughter, Ymir's reincarnation
2) she won't inherit titan powers as they disappear before she's born. Like, she leaves paths, gets reborn in Historia's baby and titans disappear as she doesn't make them anymore
Mikasa freeing Ymir makes no sense at all from the writing perspective. I don't wanna even talk about that
@@annett5 but she should have stopped making the Titans the moment she gave her powers to Eren so there will be no Titan left and no one can transform into a Titan anymore, Also I don’t think Ymir reincarnation is even possible.. there’s nothing that can confirms this and even if Every Eldians are connected through the paths and it’s not even one of Founding Titan’s abilities, hell.. she already lived for 2000 years and she is not even technically Alive nor dead to begin with.. why would she want to be brought back to life? She doesn’t even have personality nor think on her own.. she doesn’t know anything and how can she want to live as child with parents she barely know them when she didn’t even care much about her own daughters back then.. oh jeez just let her rest in peace
the whole eren mikasa romance is the most forced relationship that the fans wanted so badly that they knew it was just not going to happen but isayama last minute decided to make them a thing. i’m so disappointed with the fact historias pregnancy was just forgotten and the fact we were shown her giving birth during the rumbling felt useless. what was the point of that part she was there in the first place. smh
and can we talk about how zeke when he was in the paths explaining ymirs backstory just had all that knowledge? how did he know that
@@imabeliever-zf6td maybe zeke could know about ymir's backstory thanks to his titan's memories but Isayama didn't bother to answer this question
@@imabeliever-zf6td ONLY YMIR KNOWS
Eren being with anyone feels forced ErenxMika and ErenxHis both suck, there was no point plot-wise in Historia's pregnancy because there was never ment to be, it was just a bunch of fan theories on reddit that made people think it was important. Her giving birth is showing the first eldian without any burden of titan powers, also having her dad be THE MOST IMPORTANT TITAN would just continue the curse that Grisha put on Eren (from a more thematic standpoint not necesarly a literal thing that could happen)
@imabeliever-zf6td based and literatepilled
If Isayama cared about this theme he would never let falco and Gabi to participate in the final battle.
that was so dumb
annie just changes her mind off screen too
all that for a flying titan deus ex machina
Yeah, who could have guessed that the boy named Falco could fly.
Gabi not dying is literally one of the most disgusting things about this ending. She was literally by far the most psychopathic and most hateful character throughout the entire show. She was the most annoying and most murderous character is anime history. And yet she survives. It angers me.
@blubblubblup yall put much attention on annie like she's one of main characters same happens to sasha
@@blubblubblupyall put much attention on annie like she's one of main characters same happens to sasha
AOT in ch 132 - 139/sp 2 be like:
I'm not questioning the relevance of:
- "sins of the father",
- "sacrificing something important to achieve/change something",
- "being born into this world",
- "surpassing the father",
- "ending the cycle of hatred",
- "keeping moving forward",
- "keeping children out of the forest",
- "believing in yourself"
themes, I'm denying its existence
If you think these themes were contradicted then I'm sorry to say you need Mr. Beast to cure your blindness.
@@draglonconx7771 yeah, said by an ed
It's so funny instead of using good arguments to disprove my point you get personal and pretend you understand the story better than the ending haters
Well, I already got used to such a behavior of eds. There's nothing new or smart you guys have to say
@@annett5 never touch real media again
@@draglonconx7771 still no arguments. It's boring to talk to you
@@draglonconx7771 top 10 ending defender arguments:
you didnt understand the story
you didnt understand the story
you didnt understand the story
you didnt understand the story
you didnt understand the story
you didnt understand the story
you lack media literacy
you didnt understand the story
you didnt understand the story
you didnt understand the story
Super well done video, and it depressess me so much that these themes weren't fully played out with the plot. It's especially annoying when I feel like I am crazy because so many people say that there was no reason or lead up to Historia's baby being Eren's.
I am like, were we watching the same show???
Eren Krueger fed himself to grisha to save reiner's mom and annie's father🤡
And then came to them in the end also
Aot has to have one of the most braindead fanbases ever, at least for anime onlys
Sadly, manga readers too
It still surprises me how I used to defend such an ending back in 2021
Well, it's good unlike eren or mikasa I had some character development)
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Another great video Odin
:)
Oh actually if this is the last AoT video you're doing I'm kinda bummed. Partly cause you unlisted/deleted older videos and this is their replacement, but also cause there's a lot more that can be said about the original ending, and very few people on the platform are interested in saying it. But if you want to be done, I respect your decision to end the fight, and thank you for dedicating your heart to the cause.
It's okay, because Greisha used the powers of the titans and guided the soldiers and their dogs to murder his sister to motivate him to create the Eldian Restoration!! 🤪
It makes so much sense now! 😱
I was someone who hopped onto the AoT train very late. Basically binged all the way to Final Chapters pt1, then read the like 6 or so chapters of the manga that was left. So this is my first actual exposure hearing the Eren x Historia argument.
I think there are some good points made and I can see how you can set up expectations from it. I'm not the high analytical type, but I can just say personally, I never really expected that outcome.
I always saw "sins of the father" threads as "cycle of hatred" threads. I can see the theme with sins of the father now, but, to me, it seems like it thematically resolved at Grisha actually treating Eren better, thus surpassing not only his father, but also his past failures as a father.
There is the point of Grisha still giving the Attack and Founder to Eren, hence being another sin he committed as a father, but I think the emphasis there was the cycle of hatred as well as establishing the whole timeline shenanigans where it's a deterministic 1 timeline universe. It's like, you can argue why Grisha did what he did, but he still would have done it regardless, just like how Eren has mixed reasoning on why he did the Rumbling but was still inevitable.
I also thought the focus with the sins of the father was the connection to the freedom theme surrounding Eren. In every case, the sins of the past generation limited the freedom of the next, and only through their own strength can they break free of it to actually be free and live as they are. Historia's theme was tied to self Identity and self Realization. Eren was tied to freedom. Through the sins of the father theme, it gave them a connection for growth that led to both of them growing in their own ways as their free selves.
Lastly, I thought the whole Historia child thread was just a foil to Ymir. Put into a situation where they're forced to have children and take part in government shenanigans. But the difference was Ymir was forced to do so and didn't embrace the love for her children, while Historia's was self imposed, a choice, in order to preserve her own and her child's freedom, being able to choose her lover, and also giving love to her children like Ymir never did.
I dunno how skewered this is due to the ending, but it's just how I saw it. It's why I personally enjoyed the ending. To me, it was all about the influence of connections between people and how those connections intermingled that could lead to a better or worse future.
If you take this "Sins of the Father" theme back to King Fritz then you have a completion of the sins of the father story leading to the founding of the titans.
How could you overlook that?
Because it doesn't? King Fritz died 2000 years ago before the story even played out and it isn't even looped back to him especially not since the thing that resolves the titans is romantic "love" so sins of the father isn't even a theme by the end.
Changes i would consider better than what we got (a few things off the top of my head, feel free to add more):
1) Levi should have joined Eren because anything else is contradictory to his character. Levi always fought to free the people of the island and saw countless comrades die for that reason, also he saw his dearest friends get killed by the warriors, and now all of sudden he's a team with them because "le evil rumbling"??
2)Levi should kill Zeke and Annie and Reiner in the most brutal way possible (after Eren has used Zeke)
3)Someone kill Gabi please, she deserves it
4)Eren must complete the rumbling while killing his traitorous friends who betrayed their homeland and comrades
5)Floch should be glorified as the utmost embodiment of bravery, and heroism and have a statue built for him
6)Historia bares Eren's child, which he successfully saves and protects by a successful rumbling, thus surpassing his father and grandfather who failed to protect their children.(surpassing the father theme being concluded in the best way possible)
7)Ymir actually having a character and a brain
8)Mikasa being killed by someone after being shown that she never truly loved Eren, only the image of him she had created in her mind, otherwise she would have never fought against him
9)The plot about Mikasa being Hizuru royalty actually leading somewhere and being of significance to the story
10) Eren not killing his mom because that's totally insane and has no reason to happen
11)Eren not convincing Grisha to kill the Reiss, he was already a dedicated restorationist, had no need for being convinced.
12) Eren actually not even having any time travel powers at all would instantly make the show 100 times better.
13)Back at the battle of the port and the plane, the Yeagerists whould have killed at least a couple of the main characters, maybe Jean or Connie, because the main cast having 100% survival rate is totally stupid and unrealistic. Also, the Yeagerists should have at least damaged the ship or plane or both, there was so many of them, it was unrealistic for them to be unable to shoot a damn boat or plane a single time. In fact, now that i think about it, the Yeagerists were so many and so overwhelming with the thunderspears and Floch's guidance, they should have at least taken down one of the main Titans, say Annie, or Reiner. Annie dying here at the port battle would have been great and made perfect sense.
@SpantzNair s t f u you paid shill. these are dead comment sections. nobody comes here anymore. your higher ups will be angry at you if the see you are wasting your time in dead comment sections.
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@@Odin69damn that outro made me sad ASf 😢
You just didn't understad the story, when Grisha finds out Faye is dead he says he blamed his own stupidity overall, in paths Eren says to Armin he did the rumbling because he is just an idiot therefore surpassing his father's stupidity by becoming the ultimate idiot lmao
It was truly a great journey, thanks for the analysis as always.
what a great parallel
had us in the first half💀😭
Lol Mikasa was one of the few with normal parents.
This has nothing to do with mikasa though
@@Philthorn I know just pointing it out
Yet they didn't have names.
@@DavidWright004 Ackerman and eastern clan, duh
Jean’s mother was normal. We didn’t know his father.
This is NOT my statement but I'd like to share it with you guys here (written by @cerene11 on YT):
"I remember someone pointing out chapter 88 starts with (Kruger) Attack titan destroying Marleyan ship and ends with Eren saying "Attack titan" and continues in 89 with Hanji visiting his cell and asking him what he means. Chapter 106 starts with (Eren) Attack titan carrying a Marleyan ship and ends with Eren saying "Fight, fight" and continues in 107 with Hanji visiting his cell and asking him what he means. So the chapters are clearly designed to be parallels, 88/106 and 89/107. In both chapters 89/107 we have a scene where Eren and friends meet Historia prior to a scheduled meeting and there's a scene in both of Eren smiling at Historia. These happy scenes are contrasted when in both chapters Eren also becomes agitated because of Historia's safety being in danger, in 89 he keeps the information about royal blood hidden and in 107 he rejects Zeke's plan. And finally, chapter 89 ends with Kruger telling Grisha to have a family, and chapter 107 ends with Historia being pregnant. Coincidence?"
oh wtf, that is kind of a strong parallel lol
Dude that's crazy... I never noticed that ... There's no way all of this is just "Coincidence".. cause there's too much of it
I'm an old man almost 50 and wasted my entire life working on cargo ships tanker ships and oil rigs and this show was my only entertainment that I had all the crew used to watch this show and i really loved it. but well when the show ended at the end I just felt like my time was wasted 😅 because what was the point. the season 4 of this amazing show just made me hate all the characters even the main character. I loved the first three season but season 4 just makes you realize how stupid all these characters are 😂 Eren went through all of that pain and suffering to kill the Titans until he realized who the real enemy is and he didn't even destroy them so that his friends could turn out to be heroes at the end or something ? I thought the whole goal was to make sure history doesn't repeat itself and Eren makes sure the future population of the island don't go threw everything he has but it just seems like he doesn't care. he never killed Arnim or Annie ( he even seems to care about them 😅 ) but at the same time he doesn't care about his friends or the island ? he lets his friends kill him that doomed the island but he also killed that girl Hange ? so then what was the purpose to defend the island or to protect his friend ? because he failed to do anything and history now keeps repeating himself and the island was destroyed at the end 😂 and all the characters in season 4 are just stupid in my opinion just mindless ROBOTS. it's like they don't even know why are they fighting. Mikasa doesn't even know what's she's doing she just does whatever the others do. and I know a lot of people might disagree with me but i think Arnim is one of the most selfish characters in this show and a manipulator in season 4 that made me hate him so much. Mikasa didn't even wanted to kill Eren but Armin manipulated the whole group into following his plan so that he could be with the Annie who is responsible for the death of his grandfather and destroyed half the city ? and nothing even happened at the end no goals accomplished nothing history kept repeating itself. I have a lot in my mind that I want to say but this show just pisses me off now when i see anything about it 😂 seemed like the entire thing was just a waste of time because nothing changed. and season 4 just made me realised how much these characters are stupid and how much I hate them even Eren 😂 . anyways I really like your video I still watch some of these videos about this show time to time but either way anything related to the show just makes me angry now. at the end it seemed like Floch was the only sane And loyal character with a mind on its own that that doesn't act like a mindless robot ( Mikasa )
Also AoTNR is going to be finished next year, our vision finalized. I hope Odin you would keep in touch with them!
Actually I think that's just part 1, the rest will come even later than that. I know they will nail it though, because they're free to have as much time needed as possible, they're not burdened by tight schedules
@@Philthorn also the manga version will be done before the animated one will come. They currently are doing patreon to recover their artists to finish after the hiatus/hiding from copyright. They have an official discord to communicate with everyone. I back them to help their journey. 💯
It's becoming more clear by now. Those youtubers that claim to "like" the ending, show his face throughout the whole video, rambling non-sensical, contradictory points. Those youtubers that hate the ending, show logical point by point, references throughout the anime.
By now, we can rationally see that intelligent people hate the ending, E-diot people love the ending.
It's the opposite dumbo
Isayama himself said it was the FINAL PANEL. but no, some people still believe that he didn't change the ending. Yeah right... 😂
After what yuki kaji (erens jp va) said about eren today. It's officially over, eren is a trash low tier character, meant to be a pathetic loser for the rest of the his life
Yea I saw that, Eren deserved better
what did he say?
@@CKER-cl8in check titan folk subreddit. The last based aot subreddit
@@Odin69Hm, so does that fact ruin everything for you? The fact that Eren was meant to never be a character who gains the freedom that he wanted? The fact that Eren had always been a pathetic loser chasing after a dream that he could never reach?
I mean I know the storytelling and writing for the ending sucked but doesn’t that make Eren and the philosophy of his character(freedom) interesting in some ways?
I would like your opinion Odin considering you are the one making these videos on the ending being bad and what you thought the meaning in AOT was supposed to be.
WHAT DID HE SAY
I can't even count how many times or people I've talked to and debated AOT, despite anyones feelings on the story, man it really makes for a good conversation. I love hearing from everyone, i take a little from everyone and it made me understand the world better. Love it despite its flaws but i really enjoyed hearing your take, just got a new sub❤.
I see some people saying that AOT and its authors are doomsayers, but this is because they do not understand the Japanese culture of storytelling.
In Japan, we do not use stories to appeal to our principles.
It is only a fiction created by the author, and the important thing is to give the watcher an emotional response.
Those who deny the ending wish for complete peace in Eldia, while those who affirm it accept a temporary peace.
Although they differ in essence, they are talking about the same issue of "peace.
It is common in Japan to create stories that raise the issue of leaving it up to people to make their own choices in the real world.
I am not saying that it is wrong for people not to understand this.
I am sure that new AOT watchers will have different impressions in the future.
The fact that it will be talked about for a long time in that way means that AOT is a success.
The potential that was thrown out
The author tried to pull off a Watchman ending, but failed miserably because he got cold feet towards the end and basically made it so everything wasn't Eren's fault, but Ymir's.
Isayama must feel so gaslit and disassociated from the story he was once writing after reading how everyone talks about it online.
You are correct, and everyone will still try to explain why you're not. You'll still get called a "conspiracy theorist" by people too insecure to consider that the ending may have genuinely been changed by the author. Ah well. I've made my peace with it.
Thank you for making this video, Odin!
I'd still really really love if you did a more in-depth video about foreshadowing for the OG ending and Eren/Historia/Ymir related things without needing to talk about 139 and its events, but this video is a great addition to the discussion that I will continue to share with people.
Just another reason how shipping can ruin great shows.
You know what's funny? Until ch 139 levi/eren was the most popular ship. Eremika became more popular only because of the ending😂
@@annett5 Levi/Eren was only meant to be a joke and for the weirdos to ship
@@Omega-jg4oq indeed but they still were the most popular pairing
Not really. Seems like the peer pressure argument. Its still on you as an individual to decide what YOU want to do with your life(or in this case, manga"
@@sibusiso2841 Oh definitely it’s always the writers fault I just meant that shipping played a big part in it.
When people say that Eren couldn’t be the dad because he wouldn’t leave the mother of his child like that, like he hadn’t at that point decide to start the rumbling. Or start to see why this the future he saw had to be that way? He was already planning on committing genocide when things went south. Are we actually saying that Eren at this point would be down for genocide but not down to help his royal bestie free herself from people’s plans for her by getting her pregnant? Killing millions is an acceptable solution to a problem but a helpful dicking down between depressed friends is a step too far? Seems weird to me.
Also Eren and historia have a healthy relationship and trust and talk with each other.
The anime cut off a LOT of their conversations in Urprising arc but you can see they make a better couple than Eren with Mikasa
Comments section have put me off this side of the fandom
Thank you for 2 years of incredible content Allfather, maybe someday we'll find each other here once again (perhaps I'll mention all this within saintitchief's last aot video too, when it comes out)
For now, Goodbye 😣😣😣😭😭😭
Im glad that, you think the same way
Great video man, I hope you make more and stick around.
The goat Odin 🐐
The death of Eren also ended the Yeager family line.
Grandfather Yeager - dead
Grandmother Yeager - dead
Grisha Yeager - dead
Fay Yeager - dead
Dina Yeager - dead
Carla Yeager - dead
Zeke Yeager - dead
Eren Yeager - dead
Don't forget our "honorary" Yeager, Mikasa! 🎉
Anyone want to respond to SeaTactics? A defender of the bad AoT writing.
Eren killed his mother to save Reiner's mother, annie's father🤡
Eren post chapter 127 is fake bs retcon shit
AOT No Requiem is getting an ANIME! should come out next year! about 7 months or so. MAPPA would most likely go extinct since it is treating their animators like crap. so this will not get copyrighted most likely.
All I have say is first very great analysis and truth Odin you hit all the facts man sins of the father was absolutely destroyed and retconned by the official objectively bad ending that went nowhere
Second the official ending can go F 👎itself
Third I can’t wait for ANR AOT Requiem and it’s animation that’s the real AOE right there that will fix this cluster F.
I’ll even be adding the Levi fan ending and eren and kristia fan ending as a timeline alternate past interpretation hey I gotta give my boy eren something and it will be the perfect irony of remember when eren talked about there will never be a happy ending in season 1 boom full circle the end will be that irony with THE TRUE END at the end of it.
And iam also doing this because I want to give a actual pay off to eren Yeager loopy plot twist which the official ending did not
I have been saying eren should’ve been the father since at least 2021.
The ending is pretty good, i really enjoyed it
If you ignore bad writing, yeah, it is
@@annett5 aot and bad writing lol
@@bogjesrbin484 it's bad in s 4 p 2-3
I may have missed it. But in a different version of an ending that you feel would have better thematic cohesion, does Eren still do the Rumbling?
Yes
Of course
Love this video
❤️
Rip attack on titan. Almost the best anime of all time
Another video, I can't be happier
Love you dude, but I'm struggling to understand what you're saying, even with subtitles.
Just put it in slow motion if you're not catching up with the words easily
finally my goat has uploaded 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩
One problem is that we never saw what eren showed grisha to convince him to give him his titan
Yeah that keeps me up at night still, Zeke said to Eren in the paths that she showed specific memories to Grisha that we the audience didnt get to see
19:09 going to re-watch your old ones, it was a fun journey.
Aot was never about friendship but always about family. Eren starting the rumbling for his wife and child would make much more sense than for saving his comrades
Saving the people he grew up amongst, his countrymen, the ones the survey corps gave their lives for decades in order to free, would also make perfect sense on its own, but if he had a child with Historia it would be even more perfect i agree.
@@Musipict I do agree eren did the rumbling for the island but starting it for the family too would give his goal even more depth and reasons
@@Musipict as far as I remember, yeah, I saw it
P.s. I'm her
@@annett5 ok thank you so much for replying miss
@@Musipict no problem
You’re right it’s about fathers but it’s also about mothers
Dina Fritz zekes mom and Carla
Dina also pushed zeke to be a savior
Both grisha and Carla then treat eren with love
Carla is the one that put the idea that eren didn’t need to do anything to be great
That he was great bc he was born as her son
This contrasts reiners mother who wants to make herself important through reiners actions. So grisha does this right in his second chance
But you have to remember that erens mother , whom was right to say , that eren is great bc he was born”
Leads eren to believe he is special, that he needs to save the world… even though erens massively misunderstands this
Has anyone here watched assassination classroom ? assassination classroom is a really great anime. I highly recommend watching the assassination classroom once in your lifetime.
I thought it was kinda subverted? like we all thought "sins of the father" but then it turned out Eren was the sinner who manipulated his father. So then it became sins of the son. And that was the kinda end of that plotline
That, never made any damn sense!
Not really. Grisha delayed the cycle. Eren was disappointed at grisha. He didn’t lie to zeke. But he wasn’t disappointed because grisha killed a family like zeke thought but because he gave up the mission and delayed it. We also never saw what eren has shown grisha to convince him to give him his titan
I hope you make more Attack on Titan vidoes. Your too great to stop.
❤️
This video is peak!
My boy Odin don't miss! He can't miss! He got Michael Jordan statistics with these breakdown analysis videos 🔥🔥🔥🔥😤😤
Thanks dad!
However you say, the ending is awful.
Truth
Hi, after being deluded by aot i'm getting a lot into mha, what do you think about it?
It’s alright, I stopped watching midway through season 6. I’ll pick it back up later
@@Odin69 Manga is cool
I think its better that things aren't stuck to like this, life isn't perfect and neither should storytelling be. I think if the ending was how you've said and how others wanted it, it would've betrayed how reality really plays out. I like that rawness about it personally, I understand its not so naturally enoyable due to the lack of connectivity between points of interest throughout the series. Though, like life, some questions are never answered fully and things dont always play out how we'd like. I think this adds more poetry to the story in many ways
mental gymnastics if ive ever seen it lmao
How did Mikasa cross the ocean? Let’s see if your “philosophies” can solve this
_isayama tosses in a bunch of bullshit_
"wow such profound poetry... truly displays the mess of the world..."
Outta nowhere, people defending that "realistic" anime, decided to be pseudo intellectual for no reason.
So, you mean to tell us that because life isn't perfect (understandable btw), that (theoretically) me for example, should die without ever getting at least a f'ing answer to let's say an important question that I spent my whole life trying to answer, and that's fine because "that's life"? The fact that we never get answers to anything is realistically good?
Don't take it personally, but you're trying to be a philosopher and you suck at it, no offense
The whole point is that it is not realistic. People don't just randomly change their minds.
i started with aot way back in 2013 and was in love with the show and manga. but the day i read the final chapter when it dropped, i just didnt care for aot anymore. the ending and the events leading up to it felt so out of touch with the series. the ending was not good at all.
Please You speak too fast man it's hard to keep up at least for me
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It seems that you yourself has mischarecterized this theme it’s seems to you that you forget this theme comes from the sense that you’ve lived so long theirs no escaping the cycle that is violence this was shown in both eren and historia 2 people who couldn’t escape their fathers sins because they’ve already commited them eren since birth was time scapegoat and historia since birth was born to be queen whether she wanted to or not so yeah this theme wouldn’t apply to eren or historia by yk who they do? ACTUAL CHILDREN aka gabi falco Kaya and so on the show also showed us this as we saw Kaya take a different path then what her idol her family did instead of taking life and entering the cycle of violence Sasha’s father talks her down and tells her that they need to get the kids out of the forest like I don’t understand why aot charecters victimize eren so much when he himself knows that he’s no victim and the same is for historia hopefully Aots message finally reaches you instead of you just mischcarecrerizing everything and anything in aot
You did good, my guy!
Huh i thought the animated ending was great in my opinion
Anyone that likes the ending doesn’t understand media literacy.
Yea I am a “ending defender” to all of you guys just because I don’t hate the ending with a passion(the writing was bad and storytelling sucked but I’ve come up with my own meaning) ok but I’m not a toxic person and I would like to know, have you talked about *Eren Kruger* at all?
I feel like he is an underrated character because Eren’s head and voice replace Kruger’s for a bit Kruger talks to Grisha, his head and voice replacing Kruger’s aren’t mistakes made by the studio and in my opinion is proof of Eren making sure his own birth would happen based on Kruger’s words, I haven’t heard you talk about that scene and same with the other ending haters.
Can you explain what the scene with Eren Kruger meant?
Can you explain why Eren’s head and voice replaced Kruger’s?
And can you explain the “dream” Eren had in season 1?
Another thing is I just don’t think the ending took away the thematic messages but that is just my opinion.
we can't explain all of that because isayama himself couldn't
@@annett5 Exactly, that is my point, people are overlooking extra things within AOT and are only talking about the storytelling in the ending being bad and saying what AOT was “supposed to be”, but the meaning of AOT is what we as individuals make of it.
No one is correct, no one is wrong, but the toxic “ending haters” community that has surfaced since the AOT ending 2 years ago acts like they are 100% correct and that anyone defending the ending is stupid or ill.
@@biggamer7245that's why it's trash
@@biggamer7245AOT's ending isn't even meant to be headcanony. The guy literally showed Paradis getting nuked and everyone else at least living good lines. That's as definitive as it could get.
@@biggamer7245 the fact even simple questions weren't answered is a prove of bad writing, common
Problem is, there is no "sins of the father" or "surpassing the father" themes in this story. That's not what the story is about....
are you serious? Isayama himself stated they are the main themes
Did you even watch the video?
Excellent video, good structure and detailed analysis. I do feel you could level up your narration by slowing down a little, also varying the pace to allow some key ideas to sink in. Completely subjective opinion of coursem
bro please slow down when talking
0,75/0,5 speed exists
@@annett5 that doesnt fix shit when bro is rushing his words you lil smartass
Get better at listening? I put subtitles on too and just finished watching it when I was taking a bath
@@byebyedislikecount939 didnt ask
Attack on Titan - 9/10 overall
Manga ending - 5/10
Anime ending - 7/10
Can anyone understand what this guy is saying? Why is he talking like this? Like speaking in verses.
I can barely comprehend his fast unclear speech. If you're gonna be a narrator, you better talk properly.
Eren would repeat past mistakes. 100% rumbling goes against the themes. Sins of the father wasnt a core theme. Erehisu wasnt real. You didnt understand the story
classic ed who paid attention only to the last (retconned) chapter
@@annett5 everything I listed wasn’t unique to 139
@@GoWBounceryeah, 139 > the rest of the story (my ass)
@@annett5 I never said that. Only thing Ive ever pointed out are numerous reasons on why Odin did (not) get the story
@@GoWBouncer he did get it, even too well
01:32 bruhh LOL
Eren died a virgin and accomplished nothing! Lmfao 🤣🤣😂
Is this a copypasta or something
@@nameless8435 Nope, Isayama ruined his own story so he could make a shitty sequel like Boruto to milk money. Lol
@@UmQasaann is this also a copypasta
@@nameless8435 No
i agree