What Are Main & Off Tanks/Supports in Paladins? - Paladins Beginner's Guide
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
- Welcome back to another Paladins video! Solo tank Raum and Focusing Lens Ying solo healer have two things in common: they’re both bad. Neither of these champions are bad in their own right, but playing them in this way will set your team up for failure. But why is that?
Well, this is because of the distinction between subclasses in Paladins that the game doesn’t outright tell you about. There are two subclasses in the front line and support classes, those being main and off tanks, and main and off supports. These aren’t properly defined classes in the game itself, but instead are broadly agreed upon subclasses that have very real consequences for a team’s draft.
In this video, I’ll be explaining exactly what each of these subclasses mean and why it’s so important to know which characters and playstyles fall into which category so that you can be better prepared when making your next team comp.
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0:00 - Intro
0:55 - Main & Off Tanks
4:58 - Main & Off Supports
9:02 - Outro
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Hopefully this basic overview of main & off tanks/supports will help players stop picking something silly like solo tank Raum or solo healer FL Ying in the future! Please... please?
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You know, I want a tactical healing Talent for Ying because Life Exchange requires aiming.
When I'm focusing on trying to aim at my teammates, a flank comes in to kill me. That's why I play Resonance, it's a tactical talent.
If they made a powerful tactical healing Talent for Ying, I'd gladly give up Resonance.
The old Talent Lifelike used to be that.
You might have a difference of opinion, but I believe that off support is far better at following teammates (flanks or flanking teammates) and filling in the healing that the main support can't do because they might be too far away or their behind a wall and their healer can't get to them. A great example of this is Jenos and Vora whose self sustain is enough to 1v1 most backline dps and that extra bit of healing from Jenos (Along with damage) is enough to beat someone who Vora struggles against.
i cant send any messages on your discord server because it asks me for my phone number
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@@tasoganedude That's the buff I want, make Res also do healing, like the card ying has but better and for the whole team
Hi-Rez should collab with content creators like you to make guides like these official and reaching a bigger (beginner) audience. Great video
I agree
First they should add a choice of role when you go in ranked. So you don't have 3 people with same role 😅
I think they already did it with punk duck on paladins in 90 decond series
No. No no. Check why PunkDuck quit working for hi-rez. He tried, both in smite and paladins, and both were disasters, didn't get paid, small deadlines and with a team that barely verified his script, and after one of his videos wasn't all that popular, he was promptly fired unjustly
I like how he made an entire video dedicated to solo support dmg ying.
yea lol
Can you blame him though?? Solo healers with damage talents, especially Ying, are throw picks at this point
I see a solo damage Ying like 3-4 times a day, usually by well known playwrs/influencers too. Or damage Seris, Damage Lilith etc
LMFAO WHAT WAS WRONG WITH ME WHEN I COMMENTED THIS
One time I almost did 100k with Ying
We lost because my team left me as the only healer, making the game hard to both heal and damage since my team was pure garbage and a pretty good enemy team.
LMAO I WAS SUCH A BOZO WHEN I COMMENTED THIS I DIDNT KNOW WHAT IT WAS TO BE A HEALER💀
@@Azyne The reason you lost wasn't because your team left you as the only support, but because instead of healing you did damage
I used to solo tank raum all the time and every game I did that in was extremely difficult. Now I know why. Thanks Andrew!
Raum is still my comfort pick because I like how he plays, but it's clear the game needs more main-tank players... lol
almost every casual match I'm in, I'm the only one who wants to go tank.
Raums 1v1 capabilites are still 🔥
I don't have a problem with solo off tank. Actually, this also applies to solo main tank. It doesn't matter if you are solo with one of these two, if you don't play smart you are going to die a lot. Play with your team. YOU are a tank, LEAD your team.
However, for solo supports that pick damage talent and bad healing base kit, there's no forgiving. It's not your fault though, its Hirez's poor balancing
Poor matchmaking too. Unless you're in a lobby where you can trust your DPS/tank to peel for you, some self-defense is important. LE Ying is easy to dive. FL Ying, not so much.
I mean ig but you could just pick the char that works for the roll
I think this is a problem for solo off tank. I'm talking for most of the time here. A lot of them just can't survive enough and will not be able to do neither point tank (cause they can't contest point/defend areas) or off tank role (cause they can't dps enough if they take too much damage and die).
Solo Khan, Atlas, Raum, Ruckus, Torvald, Yagorath, is going to put your team at a disadvantage. That being said, i got your point, you can still win ofc. Even with the worst team comp it is always possible to win with your team.
But where i don't agree is that it's going to feel better for you and your team if you pick a tank that can survive long enough.
You're still going to die as solo point tank if your team loose the teamfight because playing solo tank sucks but it's going te be better than solo off-tank (you don't wanna die before your damage dealers, that would suck) .
@@ectotrix7399 Solo off tank does work, but needs the right team comp. You don't contest point immediately, but instead dive their backline. Ideally your backline dps apply pressure to keep their team focused while you and a flank go and wipe their supports. I've had a fair amount of success with this as Yag.
@@Chr0n0s38 I mean this is also what you wanna do every game, no matter what tank do you have. I still think you are more chance to die too early with an off-tank that's what i'm saying (like the the first to die in your team, for exemple if your dps must hide and the enemy team focus you for several seconds).
Do whatever you wanna do but that's not what I would do. Anyway i can't force people to play what I think it's good.
I think Ying can be a pretty good support if you use the Life exchange talent and decent loadout, heal output can be similar to damba albeit the damage is pretty bad which shows a lot in the late game, though you can heal pretty far with your illusions so if your teammates can run away to a good position you are likely to save them, not to mention you can literally use illusions as meat shields
More videos like this! This is awesome, guides, strats and tips are the best content out there! Thanks!
I swear whenever I need a vid you make it. Ty for the always amazing content
Aw I was hoping you'd tell us the specific talents that make each support off/main (also for tanks).
But amazing video none the less, should help some people understand a lot better
If the Talent increases your healing output/ effectiveness ( range, cooldown, how many champs it can heal at the same time) - main support talent.
If the Talent increases your damage, gives you a stronger crowd control ability or mobility - off support talent.
If the Talent increases the tanks survivability for example damage reduction or crowd control immunity/ let's them hold an area on the map or objective better ( Ash big shield talent, makoa half shell, Fernando aegis, Inaras mother's grace) - main tank talent .
If it gives a tank more ability to get kills, or force enemies to retreat, often called making space ( Ash slug shot for extra range, makoas pluck for more dmg obviously, and even Inaras cripple talent for if you want to play her as an off tank)- off tank talent. Idk maybe this helps kinda bored ngl.
@@sunbear3324 couldn't have explained it beyter
@@Jeff-xb8eg I'm sure you could've :)
I'm utterly proud of myself at this point.
I've never used any of Ying's talents other than life exchange😎
Thanks for the guide. Coming from overwatch I had a decent idea of main and off tanks and supports but wasn't too sure who fit what category with the different talents.
Love seeing Paladins content! Keep it up! You got my sub now
This is super useful. I have been playing Raum as a solo tank and struggling. Now I know to pick Barik!
Hey I just want to say something o found you from your Maeve guide and that was my first introduction in to paladins, I am now a master rank almost hitting grandmaster while you might not know how useful these videos are to newer players they help a tremendous amount I would say you cover Almost every single main point I could have thought of.
You are doing gods work with this video.
The amount of times i have won/lost a game because the solo support decide to go dmg is insane.
Solo or double offtank can be very strong in squads: sweep the enemy team with overwhelming damage before they are able to cap
2:49 Like I said, we need a new point tank this year.
I like the call-out to ying players, I'm so sick of loosing ranked games because our ying decided to play resonance.
Depending on the enemy setup Resonance Ying as an off healer is so god damn terrifying
The Ult % you can rack up is insane with teams running double point tanks
I needed this video lol got the game a few weeks ago and still don’t even have everyone
I think Ying buff next patch is going to be game changing though
Me and my great friend, played Ash Nando, and it was some of the most fun ive ever had, we just plow through the front line and dominate, and since we both have great shields and lots of health, 1v1ing dps champions was amazing.
Thanks andrew for the goodm info
As a support main, I make sure to always go for the talents involving heals (unless i'm doing a quest/trial). With Ying, i always go Life Exchange. With Seris, I always go Mortal Reach. I consider Seris to be a main support when using mortal reach and an off support when using Agony. But I prefer to be a main support.
Me: *Off-Tank Inara main with a 3.24KDA and 65% winrate* "Oh..."
I know this is a very brief overview, but I would say most Tanks are less tertiary than the list states. It's more of a spectrum, than just solidly "Main - Flex - Off"
So glad you made this video though.
True I have my own Raum Main Tank build and it need 4v1 (or instant kill ult) to actually be able kill me. Meanwhile I almost always fo off tank Barik.
@@RaccoonGrrrl main tanks are supposed to protect their allies with something like a shield or a wall wich is literally impossible for Raum to do
Ying players done goofed so bad that Andrew had to make an infomercial. 🤣
Can’t believe you didn’t mention the best Support duo, Smoke n Dagger Skye plus FL Ying
You are so underrated brother
I feel like Atlas can also be a flex tank. I've seen people play him really well as a point tank, very annoying
I've seen people make Unstable Fissure work as a main tank talent on many occasions
atlas is big brain tank
@@ZipDoomTide Unstable Fiss rarely works well. It's highly situational . Might affect 1 enemy rarely. WHile Deja vu , rewind 2+ enemies most of the time. Waaaayyy better.
Hey just found this video but but do you have any suggestions for healer combos for off corvus?
I love you non gameplay videos btw, at this point. Uncommon or educational videos are more interesting than gameplay. I hope you'll be the karQ of paladins
My support mains are jenos seris and damba. Which other support characters go well together with them?
Dear Andrew thank yoy very very much for making this guide, i've been confused for a long them by not knowing who is a main tank and who is an off tank. i once thought khan was a main tank cuz of his shield without considering his shield is so small. and i learned about off tanks who can be main tanks. like you saisash was an off tank but she can be a main tank,so anyway thank you.
Ash with Fortress Breaker increases the size of her shield, which allows her to zone more of an area and thus making her more viable to hold point.
There's a distinction I like to make in the Off tank class that may not be valid at all but it's there anyways, while some off-tank serve for a much general/versatile purpose often accompanied by a lack of mobility (Khan, Atlas, Torvald) others are exceptional at diving accompanied with a lot of mobility (Yagorath, Ruckus and Raum)
While some off-tanks play around their allies some others relly on their aggresiveness
What you're talking about are the subclasses of Off Tanks: Divers and Brawlers, namely, and then there's Support. Divers rely majorly on hit-and-run strategies while Brawlers are meant to hold out in a fight either long enough to win or for someone else to finish the job. The third type, Support, are tanks who provide buffs or heals to help their teammates win matches, Torvald being the prime example of this category.
How do I copy paste this amazing video link into every single ranked lobby chat where a level 150 seris insist on playing mortal reach when we already have a main support io / rei
They should give Yings clones the ability to multi target again, as apart of the main kit
Thank you for making this video. I played normal matches, I picked ruckus (off tank) and my team mate was like: we don't need two tanks! I was so annoyed. Like do I have to play rank for smart team mates or what?
I play ghrok all the time and go any talent (mainly go maelstrom) and still average close to 100k healing a match... talents are not exactly the sole basis on how much you heal, it also depends on your deck builds too
But I got a question. If you have 2 tanks and 2 healers, what is better for the last one? A dps or a flank?
What mouse do u use? Asking just out of curiousity
As a rei main (i hope to play restraint but end up as extension a lot) I cry when nobody else plays support because they think I’ll heal them
I really do wish ying had a different talent from focusing lens. Like how the fact her other two talents to a degree alter how her clones work. Like a random idea could be that ying can have three clones out instead of three but her clones lose 25-50 percent of their base health. Just something other then focusing lense
i believe a long time ago in the past ying had something similiar. there was a talent that allowed her clones to target 2 allies at once at the cost of reduced healing. apparently it was disgustingly broken though. I reckon this is why mojo are so reluctant to buff ying. one wrong tweak and you can tip her immediately into the op zone. though i wonder if giving her an innate ability to teleport to teammates on her life link would be too op.
@@nrishiee5231 Life Like. They unfortunately deleted it though Life Like was her most popular talent except Life Exchange. It wasn't broken. It was her main healing talent for quite some time, but the pro-players complained that Ying isn't viable for high ELO if she can't direct her heals. Without Life Like Ying is no fun anymore. :(
Most of this is down to personal playstyle, composition, build, and skill. I point defense as Raum and Torvald all the time, and use Pip as a main healer.
Bruh as a Fernando main the beauty of him is that he is not a point tank but rather flexible. He starts out as a point tank but as the caut gets a hold he becomes an off tank and melts through the enemies like butter. You should always secure a flank and not just straight up get on the point. If the enemy tank is on the point, GOOD. Now its a 5v4.
Also, Atlas with Deja Vu is a great point tank. He cannot be removed from the point. So he is flexible thanks to his shield reset, rewind and aoe setback which you can lob over terrain or sometimes shields. You can also double banish their support too.
On base kit alone these are (imo) main, flex, and off healers
MAIN: Rei, Seris, Lillith, Io, Damba
FLEX: Furia, Jenos, Grover, Grohk, Pip
OFF: Ying, Corvus
Atlas imo should also be on the flex list, dude can tank almost anything with excellent self heal
His shield expires too quickly tho. You need to be blocking damage not tanking it
Problem is though when the first 4 picks in a casual game are all flanks and damage that’s when I just give up and solo tank with raum lol. Also yeah like you said two off tanks is do-able.
What category would atlas fit in?
Is Extermimate Furia a main Suppprt ?
I usually play focus rei all the time cause the benefits of extension seem kinda pointless at times, while focus allows me to help my teammates and defend myself in dire situations
I only play extension when i know i cant chase the flank
Best example for double off support would be grohk furia tbh
great video and to be honest very long over do. now you need to make one on buying items and why. PLEASE!! It stresses me out when I have 2 damage on my team and neither buys wreaker to counter khan. Also why 2 snipers on Primal court is a bad idea.
Thank you, if I see another solo FL or renosance ying, I'm gonna loose it
What about tank Gronks and main support Skye? ;)
Can we get an update on who's main tank and who's off tank please, and who can do bot? I have no idea anymore
Is off flank a thing too? Cause Koga should be one
I think nando should definitely be put in flex, only difference is hes better as point than off
Yagorath is definitely a flex.
I thought nando could be flex between both role
also, personally, I think some support with good base healing can go to dps talent (Grover and Seris as example)
ok btw where is sub-healer raum xD
I feel there are some healers that are just meant for off supporting and bad for main support like Jenos
Please save me from all of those solo support binary star Jenos
I think I can do both main and off support when Im focus rei.
I think inara is a flexible tank too i love playing her as an off tank
nah cuz as a level 62 ying, i don’t get why most ying players choose either reasonance or focusing lens even thought they’re the only healer, i have seen so many ying players do that and it confuses me, like they’re asking to throw the game.
Ash is a point tank u can't change my mind on that other then that I agree
Unnatural persistence yag is an point tank build so I'll put her in flex
Respectfully a main support and off support is actually not that great at all. Two off supports however, that know when to push, when to dmg and when to heal is insanely valuable. Especially when late game caut hits. It's actually the meta with a shield tank and a non shield tank like inara, azaan or term.
Why you never see that though is a combination of 2 things. 1 being peoples old outdated belief 2 supports aren't great and especially 2 off supports. The other reason is because playing as an off support with another off support on your team is very hard to play because you have to be hyper aware of your team and not tunnel vision too much on either healing or dmg. You basically have to be a professional at situational awareness, know when cauts up, when you can pop a heal and it be effective, when to sit there and try to fire on someone and it be effective dmg, there's so much going on playing an off support with another off support.
But it's unbelievably overpowered. Simply put a 100k heal 100k dmg jenos on the team in a 20 minute game can't be beat, the value of that champion is top tier. Then you add in the factor that they are trading out that dmg and heals at the right moment, even if the other support has fallen.. yea you can't beat that value.
You are absolutely right about how to play point tank. Newer or low elo tanks always either stay on point when there's no one or rush 1v5
Good video, but I disagree with 2 things:
1. I would consider Raum AT LEAST a flexible tank, with a shield, healing and movement ability (+ a supressive minigun) he could do both very well
2. As a yago main, I would also consider her a flexible tank. She is definetly better equipped for off tanking, but with harden and area denial combined with healing cards and the point heal talent, she can be a menace on the point
yago nara goes hard
This is why i still love paladin even though the devs themselves doesn't. Everything is so dynamic
Kinda foolish to say something like that. If they didn't love the game, they'd pull the plug on servers cuz to be frank Paladins is already in a monetary crisis, there's a reason why we still get champions and event passes with mostly high quality skins and balance patches. If they didn't love the game, we'd be in a drought like Overwatch was.
favorite DPS : Moji
favorite flank : Pip
Favorite Tank : zhin
Favorite healer : Raum
Yes
I can kinda see the three of them but excuse me what the actual fuck is a tank Zhin?
@@octaviusthe2nd672 gain back conter when it hit, and stuff that make you more like an off tank. Look it up on RUclips.
@@captainphoton1693 oh you mean the cockroach Zhin?
@@octaviusthe2nd672 we aren't using the same name XD
main tanks stay on point, off - tanks attack with flanks, main healer deals a lot of heal, off - healer just 2nd or 3rd smg with opportunity of healing
I played this game for 2 to 3 years and this is the first time im hearing that supports that pick their dmg talent are called off supports and that all supports are can be off supports cuz everyone of them have a Dmg Talent.
i still dont really understand the point of off supports though... they do some healing sure, they can run with the flanks and heal them too, but I'd rather have a main healer + Tyra than a main healer + freaking Grohk trying to be a damage and barely healing at all.
Cant Atlas be played as a point tank with his talent as well?
How long is this PTS? I don’t play PTS and waiting as Grover to see my own healing radius 💀
I feel like this video was made for the ying mains tbh
Khan is an off tank? I play him 90% as point tank and it is working freaking good. I only play him off, if the enemy tank is better or there is brutal damage output against me and my shield. But I nerver thought, Khan would be a off tank, I thought, khan is an alternativ for Fernando xD. And yeah, there are pretty much bad raums, i love raum and I play him worthfull. He is great as an offtank.
But PLS do more guide videos, they are fast and good. I like it. Pleeeeeaaaaase.
You have no idea how many people don't know this. I see players with high level being main support and not healing properly. And also when you're the only support and they don't protect you
As a Ying enjoyer, it makes me hella mad to see a dmg Ying as a solo healer
wait isn't fire ball nando a viable build?
Epic
a new raum rushing into the enemy team with no idea what his M2 does:
I'm a tank main cause no one else picks it. You know the pain of a 1v5 with raum you can hold out but your enemy needs to be dumb for you to survive
as someone with a Raum deck that frequently gets me wins even running solotank I take offense to that intro statement /hj
in all honesty I've got a roughly 50% WL with a hybrid playstyle and a deck I tweaked for that kind of playstyle
5 mil dmg, nearly 291 min objective time, with a hell of a lot of shielding and self-heal, over just 20h, I really only tend to struggle against bad matchups, either Champion wise or just skill wise
tl;dr I personally have had good results with a defensive/hybrid playstyle Raum even as a solotank
ALTHOUGH
I concede that solotank Raum isn't the most consistent or easiest thing to do, and with a WL of legit 59 to 61 I have a lot of experience there
although I do feel like a few offtanks are significantly better at going solotank than Raum are
You better put that Raum in the middle I will wreck a team with him on point whole match just need a decent flanker
i never knew sub support exist.
lol.
maybe thats why everyone beginin on diamon reported me for picking jenos.
now im training my off tanking and tanking.
but i cant figure azan.
FlankNando is forgotten it seems.
I believe in point tank term supremacy
Can someone explain how atlas is just an off tank? He feels more like a hybrid that leans more toward off tanking to me.
Atlas' kit is pretty good at pushing at the enemy backline with the help of a flank teammate, rewinding enemies for if they're getting healed for the teammate to finish them up, healing himself back up with second chance to keep pushing, and providing a defensive barrier to his teammate with stasis field
He has the longest cooldowns
I love playing hybrid
Everytime I wanna play Raum, I get stuck solo tanking. Fun times
Happened to me my first qualifying game of ranked and got cussed at for not knowing how to off tank lol
i will never understand why most yings use focusing lens when they are the only healer in the team
As an Atlas main that often solo tanks it's not that hard. Even when I was first learning the game it wasn't that hard. My matchmaking is definitely not as hard as yours, and plenty of people just don't know how to deal with atlas so maybe that's the difference. Either way for the level of play that I happen to be at, Atlas just kind of works.
You forgot the legendary forbidden technique of 5 main supports on siege. You have unbreakable healing even with mid-game caut but you gotta get that 4-0 before caut hits %60. If you can't win before that you're basically doomed
Its easy to 4/0 against 5 supports they can't heal if your team targets 1 at a time.
@@Whyvern95000 no you can outheal pretty much everything in early game so it's easy to get the first two points, than the caut start kicking in
@@Whyvern95000 I think it depend on team comp, not all team can have ability to burst down 1 guy quick early
imo khan is flexible, not pure off tank with Lian's shield
Io is only a main support I'd say. Sacrifice is not really a viable option.