Thank you for mentioning the Inara and Haven diminished returns. Each time i get a loss in ranked playing Inara there's always that one guy being like "Inara didn't buy haven, report for throwing."
DR does have an increased ehp effect as you get more of it, so despite the diminishing returns you're still losing out on a lot of effective health pool. Inara will actually gain more absolute effective health from Haven when MG is active, it's just less proportionally. Around 1k ehealth without it, 1.5k with it active.
@@Darzk92590 no one said it didn't. However i find the utility of having Chronos/Vet instead of Hav/Vet outways the extra 500 EHP and cost of getting haven maxxed. I could purchase morale for extra stuns, master riding to get back into the fight from a death, get extra lvls in on Rejuv. Many things, however a majority of my matches either go 9 min or 18 min. Getting haven doesn't go well in my experience so take the anecdote as you will.
I mean, even with diminishing returns, you have at best 50% uptime on her damage reduction ability. You will vulnerable half of the time. And in my little experience in the game, people will focus me when playing inara exactly when I dont have my Eartern Guard available.
You know I've been telling other content creators to make a video about this over the past couple years because paladins literally teaches you nothing about this and there's not a lot of content out there on this. Grant it you learn it from playing the game but I always thought a video on this would be so useful to noobies. Thank you Andrew for making a video on this and putting this information out there for new players.
Brings me joy that right when we’re getting some new players that you’re making these videos. It’s much appreciated for the vets that have been playing for 5+ years. The game lacks to teach the knowledge you actually need to play the game, and it’s left too the recognized to teach the community. Which is sad, but like I said I’m really happy that you’re doing this it’s much needed keep it up chicken man👍
Lest by honest,even when you now everything about the game,beginner's guide are some of the best videos to watch,maybe it is because your trying to conform what you now?
My favorite thing is using his Ignition for infinite ammo or Soul Harvest with a card in my build that gives me ammo when I use it. When I’m in a position that I have to reload but am in the middle of a fight it’s very useful, especially since it gives you infinite ammo with Ignition and health/armor with Soul Harvest
Never knew that about Inara and Haven, good to know. Could you make a guide for where all the ult totems are and the maps they are on? Probably be a short one lol!
I hope this guide helped you out! What other Paladins guides would you like to see from me in the future? Also, for more guides, make sure to check out my Paladins Beginner's Guide playlist here: ruclips.net/p/PLYpWSvLruf6WfsG55NU9_oBJp3dX2zQbe EDIT: I accidentally put deft hands as the image for wrecker. My bad 😅
The best way to improve us to use the same champion/characters for a long period of time, talking strix as our characters to use will make you better with snipers, cassie will make you better with thin proyectiles that travel at high speed and so on
Fun fact: Every character who can go invisible; their name starts with an S. Simple thing for new player to remember so they know when to buy Illuminate :)
it would be cool to make a guide video to ranked talking about topics like which champs for each maps, which champs work well w each other, who to ban etc etc
16:10 Tell that to my rank teamates who lock support after I tell the whole team I want support just for them to go damage talent bc thehy said they wanted damage but it was already taken
if you are at the bottom of the list you are the weakest player. also, some people just don't care if that's what they want. you should get good with at least 4 champions in every class to fill in. being a team player is better than demanding and thus expecting.
@@aaronblasco5190 It's not about multiplying the dmg, it's about accelerating the dmg by reducing the reload time, so you can do more damage in less time, in some cases the character's weapon practically has infinite shots with Deft Hands 3.
Guardian is great on Torvald if you se that the enemie's champions have bought 4 items and wrecker isnt one of them because it affects your shield and the bubble you give to your teammates. Doesnt happen alot though.
It's great on Fernando as well as long as wrecker isn't everyone's items. Say bomb king buys wrecker but he's being focused by the flanks. Guardian will protect you from EVERYONE else. It's good but situational. Mandatory on Torvald for sure.
thank you this is one of the most precise clear and informative guide for Paladins. but I still don't know exactly what you mean by diminishing returns is that another mechanic
You haven't mentioned him but I want to ask if chronos is effective on tempering azaan, the one that increases his cooldowns, anyways great video have a great day!
Pip and grohk benefit from deft hands. Pip on mega potion because his card resets potion with damage. Grohk because it's faster to reload than to use a bunch of points to buff ammo/regen for his healing staff. Try it yourself.
If you are fighting against 2 shielded tanks buy deft hands cuz you wont be able to regen ammo fast. Grohk is melting shields like hell, i have realized this in the recent weeks.
The comments about diminishing returns on DR and not buying Haven for Inara are just wrong tho. Going from 50% to 56.864% damage reduction on Inara grants her an extra 1495 effective health; when MG is on cooldown you get an extra 1031 ehp. The balance between Chronos, Rejuv and Haven is up to player discretion but all three are contenders.
Great video I was struggling a bit with certain champions and the best items for them. I just wish auto buy would stay turned off when I disable it because its annoying loading up paladins and turning auto buy off every time in the options. (PS4 player so yay bugs all the time)
I'm going to ask you about "Wrecker & Buldozer" is Raum extra health is shield or illution? I've been playing Paladins since OBT (I forgot OBT XXX number, but it's around 2017), and as far as I know Raum is using both shield and illution, everyone angry when I use buldozer to kill raum idk why, he only have shield when bubble come's out..
@AndrewChicken whenever i open my game, it always shows the Game Tips, even though i’ve turned them off several times. Is there anything you think I could do about it?
You could've also mentioned lex/octavias passive abilities that can help with credit generation. Also i always thought that rejuvenate and cauterize interact as rejuv wil l increase your healing and then cauterize works. Meaning that if you get healed by 750 but rejuv increases this by 30% (+225 healing = 975 healing) and then cauterizes effect works so the healign is reduced by 90% (so 97.5 healing). I didn't realize that rejuv just decreases the caut.
Rejuv also increases healing lmao. My point was that it stacks additively against anti-healing. If you have 0% anti-healing, then you'll get 30% increased healing.
damn, never knew about the refund option even though I have been playing ON and OFF Paladins since 1st May 2017 (6 years in total). Only 1K hours in total across 2 accounts though
is the guardian worth it on Makoa? now at tier 3, it give 30% more shield = 1200 HP for shield, which is just more than enough to trigger the Barrier reef card also, should we go haven on Azaan, or Veteran is better? he has the passive dmg reduction already
it is useless if your enemy has wrecker. it isn't enough of a difference when wrecker is taking the shield down more than guardian is improving. hope that makes sense.
@@irisbailar3980You misunderstand. Makoa's shield is meant to take damage. Barrier reef refunds the cooldown based on how much damage it took. So increasing its health then having it destroyed lets you put it back up really quickly. Makoa used to have a 0s CD on it if it got destroyed. Guardian lets you get closer to that.
But it does slow down them reaching the 6000 dmg mark for the 20 credits under "Damage Dealer" (or 40 credits on a damage champion), which is what Andrew was referring to
Can you upload a match when you upload a tutorial too? Because most of us already know the basics and with only tutorials we can't get our daily dose of commentary paladins match
As a torv and nando main I think guardian isn't that terrible. Worst case scenario they waste an item slot trying to melt me. Esp on torn since I prefer going all in on veteran guardian after chrinos for survivability. Not to mention talent one plus guardian three lets met shield for over a thousand shielding.
Tbh kill to heal shows itself like useless item even for flanks since it works only if you won a fight, but you cannot really heal yourself fully after a fight, so you're still vulnerable unless you retreat
@@snbk220 It's been an issue for a very long time and they know about it already. I don't believe they can actually do anything about it for multiple reasons.
I will say, Isn't Betty another one of those champions that you should buy Deft Hands for solely because her reload is just, you know, slow? Same with Buck. Also, go ahead and report me for using Deft Hands on Grohk when healing.
rejuv has nothing to do with generating ult. it is to heal you more by teammates. just playing generates ult. if you are doing your job. i.e. healing, doing dmg, capping point, pushing payload.
Deft Hands is good on Spirits Domain Grohk since its the most effective way to recover his ammo in that setup. The card is far less effective and your shock pulse has too long of a cooldown so its inefficient.
No, it's not. By default, Grohk's staff will naturally regenerate faster than if you allow the reload animation to transpire. You're dumping credits into an item that will ultimately bring his reload up to par with his natural regen, incurring the opportunity cost of not picking chronos, morale boost, etc. NEVER buy deft hands on Grohk.
@@anatithe5358 I mostly use Spirit's Grace and Crackle for the totems, since the speed is so good. As level 2 fillers, I have Thunderlord and Electrostatic. It provides good healing output, and once your staff is almost depleted, just take a quick breather to let it regen. Invest into chronos and morale boost for more totems and more ults. Deft hands is not necessary because, like I mentioned, recharging is faster than reloading by default, and that is even more the case with Electrostatic in your build. Deft hands 3 will allow the reload to finally become faster, but you could have bought morale boost 3 instead. Morale boost is FAR better on Grohk because he has one of the best ults in the game.
@@blastinnn the fact that it change one of your damage points into healing and had a hard lock on setup made it bad. it would force you to heal even when you are trying to do damage to the other team. that is just bad
noo, they changed this, used to be 1 item for AOE and 1 for Direct attacks.... now haven defends against both AOE and direct... while guardian increases shields
@@AndrewChicken don't report somebody for buying a item not everyone a sweat like you an understand ever single champion talents an cards an what items to buy an how percentage works
@@mikesimmerman4457 Not only is what you're saying totally unrelated to what this comment is about, but I also don't report people for buying items lmao. I joke about it (like reporting people who buy deft hands on Grohk), but I don't actually do it.
The best items to buy on Yagorath is Haven, Life Rip, and Resilience. Haven protection you in travel form and your headshot hitbox. Life Pip keeps you alive longer and with a self healing you will win most fights. Also life rip works with her acids spray and pools. and Resilience which works with the card Extermination Didn't buy Rejuvenate because you shouldn't be that close to your team to get much use out of it as you can't stand in the open on Yagorath as it is. Seriously, I had to tell people to stop following me while I was on Yagorath because they can't keep up and only putting themselves in dangerous situations or... and this is the key part GIVING AWAY MY POSITION!!! Do not buy Chronos. You may think it's a great idea. It is not. First the things you are using the most which is her quills and acid has cards that works better. And the things with the longest cooldowns you shouldn't be using that often. It is best to attack over using Hardening or Acceleration. Hardening isn't use for protection outside if some ultimates Acceleration should never be used from spawn be it is your projection ability. You have no idea how many Maeve players run after me thinking it is an easy kill only to die within seconds as self healing cards and life rip and she can't keep up with Yagorath. Even at self healing, she can't so enough damage to kill. Primal vision will let her know exactly where you are. Also her piercing quills go through everyone and shields and acid spray goes though people. It is always best to not aim at the person in front of you but aim though them to the person behind them. Also aim at people's feet. This will maximize damage output which Yagorath has the highest damage output of all frontlines with 1000 to 1100 damage per second per person because again Piercing Don't buy Morale Boost because you shouldn't be using your ultimate that much as it is. If I didn't say it here, that's because you shouldn't get it, your abilities does what it does, it isn't worth getting it, or you can't get it.
As a support, I'd still appreciate rejuv on a Yag. Periodically you have to fallback to team and it helps me get you back into the fight without using all my resources.
@@Chr0n0s38 as a frontline player who plays Yagorath, why would I waste a spot on rejuv when you should rarely see me like the other team should rarely know where I am. again why am I coming to you to help get Me back in the fight when I should go unseen by the other team. the only time they should see Me is for their death.
@@darkstalkerknight63 After a fight you're going to be low. Besides you only listed 3 cards and said anything else is bad. You have room for one more card.
@@Chr0n0s38 that is after a fight, by the time they come back, I should be full health anyway. so again why waste a spot on rejuv. even with a have another spot open, why waste in something that it on that.
@@Chr0n0s38 did you miss the part where I said "because you shouldn't be that close to your team to get much use out of it as you can't stand in the open on Yagorath as it is." also after the changes recently " Hardening isn't use for protection outside if some ultimates " no longer apply. now for all ultimates just use Acceleration . Hardening is now just an attack and should never be use for protection in most cases.
@@AndrewChicken Very nice, I have been watching you testing out some stuff like Guardian Torvald and Meditation Yago. I'm glad the items feel more impactful now, but I'm even more concerned than before that I'm not making the right choices every match.
Even if i love rei it is kinda true if you compare her to someone like lillith and furia solar blessing, i wish they would buff the healing or rework the first talent to make it do more healing the more it bounce, you can use the card deft magic and her first or second talent and switch link between targets so you get your heals faster but she still has a low ouput healing and also not having a huge range on it
@@aaronblasco5190 well everytime because almost all rei players i see are bad or mid, i maybe saw 2-3 time some good rei players but they were in my team, and the few ones in the ennemy team i was tank or support
if you use these guides to come and get better like "maybe this loadout is what i need to get good" and you just still suck! :( have you maybe concidered that you just horrible at the game and it actually has nothing to do with the loadout but your skill issues??
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I've been playing Paladins for 5 years. And i'll still watch your beginner's guide with interest XD
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Thank you for mentioning the Inara and Haven diminished returns. Each time i get a loss in ranked playing Inara there's always that one guy being like "Inara didn't buy haven, report for throwing."
"Grover is auto purchasing xD", just happened to me. I went 133k in 12:34, outhealing an enemy jenos by like 5-6k.
DR does have an increased ehp effect as you get more of it, so despite the diminishing returns you're still losing out on a lot of effective health pool. Inara will actually gain more absolute effective health from Haven when MG is active, it's just less proportionally. Around 1k ehealth without it, 1.5k with it active.
@@Darzk92590 no one said it didn't. However i find the utility of having Chronos/Vet instead of Hav/Vet outways the extra 500 EHP and cost of getting haven maxxed.
I could purchase morale for extra stuns, master riding to get back into the fight from a death, get extra lvls in on Rejuv. Many things, however a majority of my matches either go 9 min or 18 min. Getting haven doesn't go well in my experience so take the anecdote as you will.
I mean, even with diminishing returns, you have at best 50% uptime on her damage reduction ability. You will vulnerable half of the time. And in my little experience in the game, people will focus me when playing inara exactly when I dont have my Eartern Guard available.
I stopped getting wrecker because I was accused of "feeding" repeatedly.
Your previous item guide really helped me out when I started playing Paladins, good to see you make a new one for other beginners.
You know I've been telling other content creators to make a video about this over the past couple years because paladins literally teaches you nothing about this and there's not a lot of content out there on this. Grant it you learn it from playing the game but I always thought a video on this would be so useful to noobies. Thank you Andrew for making a video on this and putting this information out there for new players.
Brings me joy that right when we’re getting some new players that you’re making these videos. It’s much appreciated for the vets that have been playing for 5+ years. The game lacks to teach the knowledge you actually need to play the game, and it’s left too the recognized to teach the community. Which is sad, but like I said I’m really happy that you’re doing this it’s much needed keep it up chicken man👍
Lest by honest,even when you now everything about the game,beginner's guide are some of the best videos to watch,maybe it is because your trying to conform what you now?
As a support main (rei, Grover, furia) I ALWAYS buy 1 morale boost, 2 chronos, 3 nimble, 2 morale boost, one chronos
One thing he forgot to mention with deft hands is raum, he doesn't reload often but that reload buff can be life or death when your alone
Yeah Raum has the longest reload animation in the game, even deft hands 1 cuts down the time by a lot.
My favorite thing is using his Ignition for infinite ammo or Soul Harvest with a card in my build that gives me ammo when I use it. When I’m in a position that I have to reload but am in the middle of a fight it’s very useful, especially since it gives you infinite ammo with Ignition and health/armor with Soul Harvest
How tf do you even run out of ammo on raum 😂
Never knew that about Inara and Haven, good to know. Could you make a guide for where all the ult totems are and the maps they are on? Probably be a short one lol!
I hope this guide helped you out! What other Paladins guides would you like to see from me in the future?
Also, for more guides, make sure to check out my Paladins Beginner's Guide playlist here: ruclips.net/p/PLYpWSvLruf6WfsG55NU9_oBJp3dX2zQbe
EDIT: I accidentally put deft hands as the image for wrecker. My bad 😅
”How to improve your aim?"
@@valiblonda4728 I'm still trying to figure that one out 😔
The best way to improve us to use the same champion/characters for a long period of time, talking strix as our characters to use will make you better with snipers, cassie will make you better with thin proyectiles that travel at high speed and so on
@@AndrewChicken it took me 4 years to discover that the secret is frecuency of playing with the same character
@@aaronblasco5190 i've been doing that since 2019 and i still miss half of my shots. Not Even Lian helps since I miss all my Q.
I started playing this game on Monday and this is very helpful Ty
New player here making my way through a bunch of your videos, thanks for all your content!
This was very helpful, even for those of us who have been playing for a while!
lots of things have changed good video for those who don't read update notes and/or are habit pickers from players who've played a while.
Great guide and still picking up tips from guides like this. Thanks
Fun fact: Every character who can go invisible; their name starts with an S. Simple thing for new player to remember so they know when to buy Illuminate :)
Kasumi can't go invisible, but her spirit bombs do. And guess what? Their name starts with S 😏
Doesn't VII go invisible?
@@Abyss10n Seven
OW2.. Sombra... this man found the common variable o_o
It has always been the S!
TF2 the SPY....
it would be cool to make a guide video to ranked talking about topics like which champs for each maps, which champs work well w each other, who to ban etc etc
Best item guide for Paladins. Thank you mate
16:10 Tell that to my rank teamates who lock support after I tell the whole team I want support just for them to go damage talent bc thehy said they wanted damage but it was already taken
if you are at the bottom of the list you are the weakest player. also, some people just don't care if that's what they want. you should get good with at least 4 champions in every class to fill in. being a team player is better than demanding and thus expecting.
i didnt know about the undo button in the shop and ive been playing paladins for more than 5 years i guess you never stop learning ab the name lol
Deft Hands might seem like a meme, but in the hands of the right dmg, or the right flank, it can mean more damage in less time.
Deft hands doesnt do more damage, just makes it more consistent letting you attack without stoping
@Aaron Blasco Yeah, he said that. It also can help in 1v1 situations and for support, knocking down shields and deployables.
@@aaronblasco5190 It's not about multiplying the dmg, it's about accelerating the dmg by reducing the reload time, so you can do more damage in less time, in some cases the character's weapon practically has infinite shots with Deft Hands 3.
But if you are landing your shots, relaoding while at cover or dodging and have a good build/ ammo economy, you are better off with another item
@TheChosenFives what you are describing is camping. Camping can lose you games.
Guardian is great on Torvald if you se that the enemie's champions have bought 4 items and wrecker isnt one of them because it affects your shield and the bubble you give to your teammates. Doesnt happen alot though.
It's great on Fernando as well as long as wrecker isn't everyone's items. Say bomb king buys wrecker but he's being focused by the flanks. Guardian will protect you from EVERYONE else. It's good but situational. Mandatory on Torvald for sure.
well, I will be very surprised if I see no wrecker when facing against Torvald
I just made a come back to the game. Love the vids bro
Not me having played Paladins since before beta and still watching the video
useful for when i stopped
Deft hands for B Queen, Dredge, Damba, Vii Mag Dump, etc. Sometimes its so. Crucial
Liferip is working amazing for seris since her orbs touch everyone
wreecker image is 14:00 is incorrect . you used the deft hands image instead of the wrecker one
whoops 😅
@@AndrewChicken no problem
been playing paladins since may 2017 and i needed this video bc i can never know what to buy
Me with 3k+ hours: there’s always more to learn
2k for me and I learned. 👍
thank you this is one of the most precise clear and informative guide for Paladins. but I still don't know exactly what you mean by diminishing returns is that another mechanic
Great vid!
Now I feel like a monkey mostly buying every item wrong for characters.
8:20 even with a rae as a tank wouldn't you still want rejuv so you don't have 90% reduced healing late game? I always buy rejuv as tank but hey idk.
You haven't mentioned him but I want to ask if chronos is effective on tempering azaan, the one that increases his cooldowns, anyways great video have a great day!
I wanna know that too
if you want to reduce a cooldown for faster or more often use on a skill then chronos is best.
I buy Haven on Inara, It works when Earthen Guard is on cooldown and doesn't diminish as much with Sacred Ground
Pip and grohk benefit from deft hands. Pip on mega potion because his card resets potion with damage. Grohk because it's faster to reload than to use a bunch of points to buff ammo/regen for his healing staff. Try it yourself.
Give me 6 hours I am on high school rn
Grohk Defthands for only staff healing for me. I adjust loadout diferently for maelstorm and dont buy deft hands.
You don’t want deft hands on grohk for any talent. Steal my loadouts same name in game
If you are fighting against 2 shielded tanks buy deft hands cuz you wont be able to regen ammo fast. Grohk is melting shields like hell, i have realized this in the recent weeks.
The comments about diminishing returns on DR and not buying Haven for Inara are just wrong tho. Going from 50% to 56.864% damage reduction on Inara grants her an extra 1495 effective health; when MG is on cooldown you get an extra 1031 ehp. The balance between Chronos, Rejuv and Haven is up to player discretion but all three are contenders.
Great video I was struggling a bit with certain champions and the best items for them. I just wish auto buy would stay turned off when I disable it because its annoying loading up paladins and turning auto buy off every time in the options. (PS4 player so yay bugs all the time)
Go into settings an turn it off
@@mikesimmerman4457 I do but Im bugged and it will not keep auto buy off
I'm going to ask you about "Wrecker & Buldozer" is Raum extra health is shield or illution?
I've been playing Paladins since OBT (I forgot OBT XXX number, but it's around 2017), and as far as I know Raum is using both shield and illution, everyone angry when I use buldozer to kill raum idk why, he only have shield when bubble come's out..
I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THE RESET BUTTON, MY MIND IS BLOWN
Same. I've bought items I didn't mean to plenty
8:40 does it heal in willo dead zone ?
Bro just asking can you make a guide for koga or can someone tell me an updated koga guide that isn't outdated?
with the amount of CC in this game i finally know what playing overwatch 1 felt like lol, tho overwatch doesnt have the option to lower the effects
Does resilience counter Seris ultimate? And furia's Q?
yes
Should I get chronos for life exchange ying or go with moral boost instead?
I'm sure they patched the stacking on pips liferip.. I tested it not too long ago but I have to make sure agian..
@AndrewChicken whenever i open my game, it always shows the Game Tips, even though i’ve turned them off several times. Is there anything you think I could do about it?
13:57 Wrecker?
You could've also mentioned lex/octavias passive abilities that can help with credit generation. Also i always thought that rejuvenate and cauterize interact as rejuv wil l increase your healing and then cauterize works. Meaning that if you get healed by 750 but rejuv increases this by 30% (+225 healing = 975 healing) and then cauterizes effect works so the healign is reduced by 90% (so 97.5 healing). I didn't realize that rejuv just decreases the caut.
Rejuv also increases healing lmao. My point was that it stacks additively against anti-healing. If you have 0% anti-healing, then you'll get 30% increased healing.
Updated version for the new shop?
Slight mistake in the video, you showed the wrong icon when explaining wrecker (you had beft hand icon instead)
Does nimble affect jenos's F ability?
damn, never knew about the refund option even though I have been playing ON and OFF Paladins since 1st May 2017 (6 years in total). Only 1K hours in total across 2 accounts though
It is relatively new,
Are ya planning to remake this video with all the new items?
why is life reap bad on grohk?
is the guardian worth it on Makoa? now at tier 3, it give 30% more shield = 1200 HP for shield, which is just more than enough to trigger the Barrier reef card
also, should we go haven on Azaan, or Veteran is better? he has the passive dmg reduction already
it is useless if your enemy has wrecker. it isn't enough of a difference when wrecker is taking the shield down more than guardian is improving. hope that makes sense.
@@irisbailar3980You misunderstand. Makoa's shield is meant to take damage. Barrier reef refunds the cooldown based on how much damage it took. So increasing its health then having it destroyed lets you put it back up really quickly. Makoa used to have a 0s CD on it if it got destroyed. Guardian lets you get closer to that.
Auto buy on console is bugged, every time you load the game, the auto buy is turned back on.
you turning it off in settings? if you just turning it off in item menu it comes back next game.
@iris bailar yes turning it off in options menu, and that isn't the only choice that resets every time my game is loaded.
4 years into paladins and i did not know i could undo items
Damn, sad to see Deft Hands be memed on, I love using it on Drogoz lol
Well the Inara main learns something new again. Not touching Haven anymore 😅
Hell yeah!
Most champions earn a flat amount ultimate charge by just hitting their shots and skills, so haven does not reduce ult charge for enemies
But it does slow down them reaching the 6000 dmg mark for the 20 credits under "Damage Dealer" (or 40 credits on a damage champion), which is what Andrew was referring to
@@Karu_TC yes but that's credit income, not ult charge
@@mastrorick yk what you're right I misread your comment
Can you upload a match when you upload a tutorial too? Because most of us already know the basics and with only tutorials we can't get our daily dose of commentary paladins match
As a torv and nando main I think guardian isn't that terrible. Worst case scenario they waste an item slot trying to melt me. Esp on torn since I prefer going all in on veteran guardian after chrinos for survivability. Not to mention talent one plus guardian three lets met shield for over a thousand shielding.
There's an undo button??
Been playing since beta and alpha....WHEN TF WAS THERE AN UNDO BUTTON
Tbh kill to heal shows itself like useless item even for flanks since it works only if you won a fight, but you cannot really heal yourself fully after a fight, so you're still vulnerable unless you retreat
that can still be more helpful for getting away than not having it.
buck is my main flank, k2h ensures that i can leap and make it out alive after a 1v1 even if the enemies were grouping up
me who buys gaurdian on yago sight begets strength to help flanks
😅
If you play on console you have to turn off auto buy every time you restart your game.
So it ISN'T just me! they can't fix that though huh?
@@snbk220 It's been an issue for a very long time and they know about it already. I don't believe they can actually do anything about it for multiple reasons.
I will say, Isn't Betty another one of those champions that you should buy Deft Hands for solely because her reload is just, you know, slow? Same with Buck.
Also, go ahead and report me for using Deft Hands on Grohk when healing.
I didn't know about "rejuvenate"
Could you make a mini guide on how to generate ultimate?
rejuv has nothing to do with generating ult. it is to heal you more by teammates. just playing generates ult. if you are doing your job. i.e. healing, doing dmg, capping point, pushing payload.
Deft Hands is good on Spirits Domain Grohk since its the most effective way to recover his ammo in that setup. The card is far less effective and your shock pulse has too long of a cooldown so its inefficient.
No, it's not. By default, Grohk's staff will naturally regenerate faster than if you allow the reload animation to transpire. You're dumping credits into an item that will ultimately bring his reload up to par with his natural regen, incurring the opportunity cost of not picking chronos, morale boost, etc.
NEVER buy deft hands on Grohk.
@@AndrewChicken Hold on, you mean hold the little bit of charge left before it goes to over heat and regen from there?
@@anatithe5358 Yes, that's faster than letting it reload.
@@AndrewChicken TIL. Is the regen card even worth on staff heal then? Or the default regen rate should be fast enough.
@@anatithe5358 I mostly use Spirit's Grace and Crackle for the totems, since the speed is so good. As level 2 fillers, I have Thunderlord and Electrostatic. It provides good healing output, and once your staff is almost depleted, just take a quick breather to let it regen. Invest into chronos and morale boost for more totems and more ults.
Deft hands is not necessary because, like I mentioned, recharging is faster than reloading by default, and that is even more the case with Electrostatic in your build. Deft hands 3 will allow the reload to finally become faster, but you could have bought morale boost 3 instead. Morale boost is FAR better on Grohk because he has one of the best ults in the game.
Deft hands is also good on Grohk with SPIRIT'S DOMAIN which is still a bad talent
No, it's not.
@@AndrewChicken yes it is. it works with it by helping with up time.
@@darkstalkerknight63no its not
@@blastinnn the fact that it change one of your damage points into healing and had a hard lock on setup made it bad. it would force you to heal even when you are trying to do damage to the other team.
that is just bad
EVERY TANK need to buy rejuvenate no matter what not getting it is a massive throw
wait i always thought guardian increase defense against aoe attacks
noo, they changed this, used to be 1 item for AOE and 1 for Direct attacks.... now haven defends against both AOE and direct... while guardian increases shields
@@Madkid2784 Yeah, up until I commented on this, even the day before, I was still buying Guardian against AOE characters.
@@SlumberLand39 aww man, I think this changed about a year ago now
When they made cute passive
I miss cauterize as item
Too bad that the Payload game mode has been canceled! It was so cool and fun to play!
That's just wrong, who told you that?
@@AndrewChicken don't report somebody for buying a item not everyone a sweat like you an understand ever single champion talents an cards an what items to buy an how percentage works
@@AndrewChicken alot of people may know 15 or 20 out of the 58 champions
@@mikesimmerman4457 Not only is what you're saying totally unrelated to what this comment is about, but I also don't report people for buying items lmao. I joke about it (like reporting people who buy deft hands on Grohk), but I don't actually do it.
It was added back in.
You forgot to put seris on illuminate list
she isn't gone for long
The best items to buy on Yagorath is Haven, Life Rip, and Resilience.
Haven protection you in travel form and your headshot hitbox.
Life Pip keeps you alive longer and with a self healing you will win most fights. Also life rip works with her acids spray and pools.
and Resilience which works with the card Extermination
Didn't buy Rejuvenate because you shouldn't be that close to your team to get much use out of it as you can't stand in the open on Yagorath as it is.
Seriously, I had to tell people to stop following me while I was on Yagorath because they can't keep up and only putting themselves in dangerous situations or... and this is the key part GIVING AWAY MY POSITION!!!
Do not buy Chronos. You may think it's a great idea. It is not. First the things you are using the most which is her quills and acid has cards that works better. And the things with the longest cooldowns you shouldn't be using that often. It is best to attack over using Hardening or Acceleration.
Hardening isn't use for protection outside if some ultimates
Acceleration should never be used from spawn be it is your projection ability.
You have no idea how many Maeve players run after me thinking it is an easy kill only to die within seconds as self healing cards and life rip and she can't keep up with Yagorath. Even at self healing, she can't so enough damage to kill. Primal vision will let her know exactly where you are.
Also her piercing quills go through everyone and shields and acid spray goes though people.
It is always best to not aim at the person in front of you but aim though them to the person behind them.
Also aim at people's feet. This will maximize damage output which Yagorath has the highest damage output of all frontlines with 1000 to 1100 damage per second per person because again Piercing
Don't buy Morale Boost because you shouldn't be using your ultimate that much as it is.
If I didn't say it here, that's because you shouldn't get it, your abilities does what it does, it isn't worth getting it, or you can't get it.
As a support, I'd still appreciate rejuv on a Yag. Periodically you have to fallback to team and it helps me get you back into the fight without using all my resources.
@@Chr0n0s38 as a frontline player who plays Yagorath, why would I waste a spot on rejuv when you should rarely see me like the other team should rarely know where I am.
again why am I coming to you to help get Me back in the fight when I should go unseen by the other team. the only time they should see Me is for their death.
@@darkstalkerknight63 After a fight you're going to be low. Besides you only listed 3 cards and said anything else is bad. You have room for one more card.
@@Chr0n0s38 that is after a fight, by the time they come back, I should be full health anyway. so again why waste a spot on rejuv.
even with a have another spot open, why waste in something that it on that.
@@Chr0n0s38 did you miss the part where I said "because you shouldn't be that close to your team to get much use out of it as you can't stand in the open on Yagorath as it is."
also after the changes recently " Hardening isn't use for protection outside if some ultimates " no longer apply.
now for all ultimates just use Acceleration .
Hardening is now just an attack and should never be use for protection in most cases.
Remake with the new items coming soon??
You bet! My goal is to have a new guide available within the next month or two. There's still a lot to test right now, but we'll get there eventually!
@@AndrewChicken Very nice, I have been watching you testing out some stuff like Guardian Torvald and Meditation Yago. I'm glad the items feel more impactful now, but I'm even more concerned than before that I'm not making the right choices every match.
i always buy aggression
Io recovers Luna faster with cronos but thats it.
Welp time to take this down and make another one
IF YOU ARE A TANK AND YOU HAVE A HEALER THEN GET REJUVENATE!!! NOT HAVEN!!! AND IF THERES A TANK WITH A STRONG SHIELD THEN GET WRECKER!!!!!!!!
My head hurts 🤕
The way He called Rei a low output healer 😥...
Even if i love rei it is kinda true if you compare her to someone like lillith and furia solar blessing, i wish they would buff the healing or rework the first talent to make it do more healing the more it bounce, you can use the card deft magic and her first or second talent and switch link between targets so you get your heals faster but she still has a low ouput healing and also not having a huge range on it
Does it need it with that ult charge and suport, while also being the hardest support to kill?
@@aaronblasco5190 rei hardest support to kill ? Lillith is worst
@@Chaton_Mignon as a Flank, how often do you win a 1v1 against a Rei?
@@aaronblasco5190 well everytime because almost all rei players i see are bad or mid, i maybe saw 2-3 time some good rei players but they were in my team, and the few ones in the ennemy team i was tank or support
I'm not new to the game but I'm dumb
Ibfeel dumb...where does he talk bout damage dealers?
No way did Andrew say rei is a low output healer
if you use these guides to come and get better like "maybe this loadout is what i need to get good" and you just still suck! :( have you maybe concidered that you just horrible at the game and it actually has nothing to do with the loadout but your skill issues??
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Think it might be you😂
A crapfest of throwing teammates in paladins