Electric mobility: China leads the way with German carmakers stuck in the slow lane | DW News
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- Опубликовано: 20 апр 2023
- The Shanghai Auto Show has kicked off and it’s electric vehicles the are grabbing the spotlight. Following years of state investment, China is leading the way in electric mobility, with domestic brands outpacing competitors, including German behemoths like Volkswagen and BMW.
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I can foresee that Chinese cars will be a "National Security Concern" whenever they are successful, like TikTok.
@Tiger, it is almost a guarantee.
US demands shares by bullying, once declined they revert to the “national security concerns” excuse to try and destroy the company.
it WILL always be dude ALWAYS be, I cant understand why people cant understand this ? the chinese LAW states that chinese companies are by LAW required to share data with gov for "national interests" and they can do anything with that data, never forget data is the gold in this century
@@whymeeee yeah like facebook and twitter sharing data to the FBI. Stupidity is more dangerous than evil. Evil pauses but stupidity does not.
@@whymeeee no difference to any other countries. We don't have a democracy leader in that front
Cannot agree with you more
First time ever, some non-negative report about China from DW. 😂😂😂
This world has been like this for a long time, subjectively and selectively reporting things that they want people to see. should be used to it😅
😂
Still, dw just declares the state invest leads to such result.,... 😂
You do know DW😂
as for the EV part, they could hardly find a single issue of China
China car in the US: national security issues! While American Car in China: just business😂
CCP citizens that drive American cars are the true Chinese people, just like the ROC. If you had more people like that the future would be much brighter.
no one buys US cars in china
But China is a country wide criminal organisation with hostile intentions. The difference.
It is revealed that Teslas camera and security systems get too much info about those who drives their cars and also the surrounding people and cars. That can be a security risk when people on high or secret positions have bought them anywhere in the world.
it's about confidence, I don't think US has the confidence to compete, it has to use some other methods like what they did to Japan in 80s
Whether it is subway/bridge/jet engine/car manufacturing / street cleanness/ space station etc , China “ can do” attitude impress me. China always want to improve itself.
They always set the goal and take solid action while other countries think only US can do it. I felt China May do well in chips and aircraft manufacturing in the future.
China has more independent mind than democracy countries. I am from China.
Yeah. Just like any person, if you just keep focusing on improving yourself regardless other’s blame, you will finally achieve more than those only good at lip jobs.
remarkable how China overcome COVID-19 war by the west
Taiwan should surrender to China, the only reason they're separated is due to Japanese imperialism and war crimes
@@banjoowo4001 So you want to subject Taiwan to CCP crimes.
I have a BYD Atto3. It's an extremely good car, one of the best I have owned and those include GM, Ford, Mercedes, Suzuki, Honda, Subaru, VW, Citroen, Toyota, BMC and probably a few others I have forgotten.
Ford😂
@@kenho-wr5ul2rh7m "Good quality"? Do you have a source that says "good quality" I have seen a lot of reports to the opposite.
The only good quality ones are the Teslas from Shanghai.
@ken ho I just googled "Chinese EV car fire" and a report (which cited Chinese media sources) reported that in 1st quarter of 2022, there were 680 Chinese made and branded EV car caught fire, that's 7 EV cars per day!
@@kenho-wr5ul2rh7m WHY would I not watch some other person buy it and review it instead? It is the smarter thing to do.
Second smartest thing is ignore Jim Graham. Named as many other car companies as he could. How many previous electric vehicles did he own?
His new car is better than his old car...what a surprise!
@@wolfvale7863 just buy a newest chinese electric byd or mg, they are very good in quality
im currently driving MG7 $25,000, better than $40,000 american/european cars, comparable to $50,000 american/european cars
never heard about bad quality from youtube reviewers, but a lot of good comment
PS i currently own MG, tesla, mini cooper, BMW and mercedes
CATL is also a big winner. Batteries are the new oil.
No, owning lithium is the winner.
@@xwqi when sodium batteries start mass production, lithium will become the next oil
Would not drive a chinese car... dont trust their safety record. maybe in 30 years time when their cars have a proven safety record.
about more than 5 years ago, there were discussion in China top leaders to ban ICE cars in China and let EV replace them since the EV tech were maturing. The foreign automotive including the germans lobbying the Chinese gov, arguing that they were not ready, so the Chinese gov acquiesced. Today, they are still not ready, and the Chinese gov couldn't wait for them anymore.
They don’t even need to ban, electric car technology is becoming vastly superior to gas cars
因为中国汽油太贵了，消耗量也是天文数字，中国不缺电
即便是燃油车，中国的同行也已经很接近竞争对手了
没有人愚蠢到会去这么做，除了有些愚蠢的人会去相信这种毫无逻辑的传言。
@@huanghuangh 真相是，中国足够大，可以有足够的资源去试错，十年前就开始投资光伏产业、新能源汽车产业。
China will most likely make it more competitive and prices will become more affordable. That is an issue here in the western sphere.....they charge way too much for EVs in Europe, The USA and Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
you forget briton 😆
They will call the competition a security threat from China. Unfortunately most of these countries are lead by thugs like Joe Biden.
People get paid more in the West. Including the employees that make the EVs. They charge the right price for the western market.
Chinese EVs will never be allowed for sale in the West.
Workers in the west must take 60% pay cut to compete with China.
No other way
@@wolfvale7863 Agreed. Not in US.
6:47 This is not quite correct. I work in this area. China, for example, has absolute dominance over the cobalt supply chain. Chinese companies are basically running the Democratic Republic of Congo’s copper belt (where the vast majority of cobalt originates), and they also own most cobalt refineries. For another key component of batteries - lithium - China is also in the Top 3 of producing countries (if you count the lithium triangle in Chile/Argentina/Bolivia as one). Australia being the other one in the Top 3. There are massive concerns around the environment and indigenous rights around the South American lithium production. So you can’t easily get around China here as well. He already talked about Chinas dominance for gold. AND - as he rightfully pointed out - China owns most of the refineries for all of these minerals. So - in a nutshell - the western world has been sleeping in this area for decades, and once again China was smart to push ahead! Our politicians think too short-term.
Only south America? indigenous rights at Australia is no concern?
Why use cobalt when you can use safer LFP battery that contains zero cobalt?
Completely agree. With the rise of Chinese nationalism and the very agressive behaviour (Taiwan, the declaration of limitless friendship to Russia, while they are waging a war in Europe, etc.) it should be abundantly clear that Europe and the West should part ways with China asap.
you must be a CIA who want Europe to fight China. but you forgot that it's American who blowed up European gas pipeline. not China
@@deepseer LFP batteries have lower energy density and don't perform well under cold condition. High-end EVs still use batteries that contain cobalt.
China has already dominanted the EV battery sector
Yes, they are a very good at explosions.
@@onesandzeroes why used a different standard with the SpaceX?
@@onesandzeroesa loser + hater + liar. How pityful of you.
@@onesandzeroes sour 🍇. Lol..sad
@@onesandzeroes lol, you mean tesla,thats why BMW ,vw and toytoa all use chinese battery on their new EV, so is TESLA
i own a byd in UK . its better than peers.
Your car runs on child slave labor, for shame.
China focus on EV helped make it become popular and It is good for the whole world too.
"Good for the whole world" ? Maybe best to moderate your claim !
@@alexmcwhirter6611 EV adoption is good for climate and having many new innovative car companies is a win for consumers.
How exactly is it good?
@@chebudedandee1627 The environment loves all the cobalt and lithium mines!
Only what the West does is good for the world, well, their own little "world" ya know.
I have no doubt that within a decade or two, Chinese auto makers will catchup and surpass all other car makers in every aspect of car manufacturing. They are similar to Japan in the 1980s, except their manufacturing is on a different level. China is truly an unstoppable force. All of this will be great for us consumers. We will all be able to have top products in our lives, without having to pay top prices.
I don't have any interest in Chinese products. Xi Jinping made it very clear where his stance on Europe is in his recent visit to Russia. Any transfer of technology is a mistake too imo. China has no respect for intellectual property.
except No One wants china products at any cost
But once the manufacturing and even engineering leaves Europe, where will the jobs and money come to buy even those "reasonably priced" cars? Your thinking is very, very short sighted and naive. Chinese cars are cheap because they are intentionally driving the prices down to kill the competition. That has been seen in the west on a company level, but in China, the whole government is involved.
It's a systematic, country wide plan to hog everything to China and that need to be stopped, at any cost.
Which decades or two, I bet that it will happen in 2, 3 years.
No one will buy ccp slave products
China already won the global EV race and they're not giving it up that spot easily.
Nope, Tesla still far in the lead
@@jeremytine Tesla uses more than 80% of components imported from China in murican made ev.
Thats why Chinese EVs catch fire so much 😂😂😂
Lol yeah
@@manishgrg639 no they are not lol
Two years ago, the shareholders of many automakers in the West also looked down on China like some people in the comment section, and also looked down on Chinese-made cars, but this year, senior officials of these auto companies went to the booths of Chinese automakers to observe them.
Xi Jinping declared his limitless friendship to Russia while it is fighting a war against Europe, the CCP builds clandestine political police stations abroad, Chinese companies steal Western technology, the PLA goes as far as firing missiles into the EEZ of the coast of Japan. Personally I am a player of Weiqi and used to play on Chinese servers, where I did my own observations. Many Chinese players lack any respect, try to cheat and stall. The last World Amateur Go Championship was held by China, it was the worst organized I have ever seen, with again a complete lack for foreign players. I have no interest in Chinese products as long as the CCP and the current toxic Chinese nationalism prevail.
Yes, congrats on using the stolen western IP and endless supply of free money to achieve that. In real world where you actually have to work for your own technology, fight for funding and come up with a working business idea, that would have never worked.
So don't float around too much. You know how those successes were achieved.
Yes, observe the failure like BYD EV
@@MrTdo9 Do you currently own an ELECTRIC car or any car at all?
@@hongkongchina2048 he can not Offord a BYD EV, cuz that too expensive for him in his country.
I was in the BMW Headquarters Showroom in Munich a Year ago and I was stunned how miles away from Electrics they were, was a ICE kingdom literally, with only a small corner for electric models. Shame on them and the rest of the German auto-industry that by only their fault let themselves fall so behind.
Electric vehicles are most likely not the future considering how environmentally damaging their batteries are…!
Can you really not see that the electric cars is just a Chinese plot to make money
@@quettagladiator5272
In China mass media, such
Finance channel, economic channel, science channel, education channel, have lot of program discusses, debate about the subjects.
It provide the panoramic views and information indeed.
I wonder if European provide this program in their mass media and audience care about it?
@@davidzan9190 relax chan
BMW present in their headquarters what people want to buy. This is market economy. Who wants an electric car can get one from BMW in any class and size.
In recent years, my excitement on cars have switched from Continentals to Chinese makes because no other country comes out EVS, new makes and models as many and fast as Chinese. And their design and quality looks and feel great too.
So true
you mean no other country steals Telsa tech as fast at Chinese/ keep those exploding cars out of US
@@chrisbell238 borderline racism at this point.. not everything the Chinese do is stealing. they're a leader when it comes to EVs.
@@chrisbell238 tesla tech patents are open source.if you want to badmouth china...at least get your statement right. And stop hiding behind anglo username, I know you are from india.
@@kypronite Bad mouth China - you are joking right? World does not need to bad mouth China -China is losing FACE all on its own. Not Indian but Rise India Rise - smarter and much better liked than Chinese. Indians come to American and are ROC stars - Chinese are ignored.
Glad to see there are strong competitions from China in the EV market, hopefully that can help make the EV price more reasonable soon
@@harlyquint-ss7vt embarrassing to only those who thinks countries don't transform
You mean China gets strong competition from the West :D (they are the leaders in this market)
@@dumitru-claudiusergentu6720 PRC is leader in EV fires 😂
@@dumitru-claudiusergentu6720 consumer market only
We enjoy all the Chinese cars in Australia, including those still made from asbestos components
Here we go, Kodak gone, Nokia gone and Germans slept for decade too long with cars 🙈 Price needs to come down of those cars in EU !
It’s not the prices of European cars that are the problem, it’s the business models that they have adopted, - Profit (abnormal profits) over and above all else!
Production costs for cars has gone way down but the sales prices are not reflective of that, Quality has been reduced to marketing hype and China bashing.
I’ve had that though for a while.
The Germans sell their vehicles for a competitive price. But the thing is, those cars are without options. They’re basically selling a shell without basic features like ventilated seats, HUDs, cameras, good seats etc. These options can easily add $5000+ to lower end models. On higher end models, they can be $20,000+
Not to mention the reliability of European cars.
@@slammerw3 Chinese (and Japanese) cars come with all those options as standard but at a lower starting price point.
You talk of the reliability of European cars, well I hate to disappoint you, they are no longer as reliable as they used to be.
They have had hundreds of years to perfect their motor industry but instead they’re in a state of steady decline.
@@Dokus360 That's what I meant.... the EU cars are not reliable again! Had an A5 and got transmission problems from day 1. Also I heard bad issues on BMWs when it comes to the electronics on the 7 series. Don't get me started on the Range Rovers,,, probably the worst out of the lot for so called off roaders.
@@slammerw3 sorry I misunderstood you, what you say is very true,
I am/was a Merc man, E,S and G classes, had a few BMWs too in my lifetime and I can feel your pain.
My worst experiences were with a 2012 S-Class 5th Gen W221, and a 6th Gen W222 it should have been called the P-class, Problems all round.
Had a few E classes too the W210 and W211 models that simply rusted away and turned into dust,
Range Rover; you are right is definitely a no go area.
In the European automotive industry ‘Quality’ is now just a buzzword and marketing hype.
I say, *If you want ‘quality’ vehicles buy old classic European but if you want proper reliable vehicles buy Asian.*
The VW ceo said 50% of cars in China will be EVs in 2025, compared with 30% this year.
Maybe, but powered by coal generated electricity. That defeats the purpose. Even natural gas only releases half the carbon.
@@thesisLAx solarpanels and windturbines
@@thesisLAx the chinese are into EV not because of any altruistic reasons. They have to move to EV because they don't have much oil.
@@mikafiltenborg7572 they installed some a decade ago in order to help promote their wares. Not much since. But a new coal plant every few weeks.
@@MetaView7 point taken. I once made this observation a year or so ago to another. True, they can use it as a large scale test bed. That said a small ICE car is quite efficient.
The lithium mines may spread out around the globe but China owns most of them. Also China is so dominant in the rare earth processing that no one can bypass China even if they want to beside it being the Saudi Arabia of rare earths. China also has the best and largest EV battery maker and tech too. China also has the world's biggest EV/car market as well as the best EV infrastructure. To summarize China already won the EV battle.
Chinese government has subsidized EV industry for more than a decade, EV cars came out before 2016 were so crappy, and there was so hard to find a charging station. But the compaign carried on and turned out to be good. It's unimaginable in "democratic countries with votes"
@@GreatJO But command economies carried out by authoritarian governments achieve zero innovation and will only end up with empty shelves and long lines! Only the pure capitalism of the West can produce anything of value! Turns out a hybrid of the two can be even better.
There is a Chinese proverb that means the bigger the ship is, the more difficult it is to adjust its direction. To Germany's traditional automobile industry counterparts
Latest BYD SUV - stellar engineering
Western media keep trying to convince themselves- "China is an oppressive authoritarian regime" 🤣🤣🤣
Xi Jinping is as bad as Mao Zedong, just like Putin is as bad as Stalin. Your previous leader was much better than this tyrant, but the ROC is the best version.
Didn't it?? How world run if china will replace USA with sidekick like USA had uk Canada, china have North Korea Paxistan.
It is called deflection.
They are telling us exactly what their ‘western democracies’ are and wish to be.
Hundreds of journalists in jail for telling the truth, they never talk about it.
Millions of police cctv cameras monitoring people, they are silent about.
They are
The label put on by the West is yes, but the fact is not. Just like in a primitive tribe, it takes a hundred years to tell the people and their descendants that rabbits are bears. After a hundred years, everyone will call rabbits bears.
Germany actually is stuck in everything. With complex bureaucracy, extreme time wasting processes, one sided laws, vague rules and partial truth during decision making, hierarchy of authorities and huge backlash in digitalisation, I doubt it that Germany will be a European power house in future. No one is willing to invest in Germany, even Saudi Arabia is taking money out.
@Marta Vingalli
NO.
Please look up for:
Wolfspeed, a US company which will build the worlds largest semi conductor production plant in the German Federal State of Saarland.
Infenion near Dresden
Bosch near Dresden
TSMC (recently in negotiations) near Dresden 😢
Silicon Saxony near Dresden
Intel near Magdeburg
Northvolt near Hamburg
Not only cars get build in Germany but all sorts of machineries/technologies etc.
The EU27/Germany will replace all fossil fuels (oil, coal, nat gas) with green hydrogen, the goal is focused on 2030-2045.
Hydrogen can be used as storage battery for the overloads from the offshore windmills and others as well as raw material for proceeding things like steel, glass, paper etc.
Lots of start ups are working on alternative storage possibilities as well.
Electrolyseurs (wind to power) are under construction everywhere as well.
Please look up for the "green hydrogen coast line", a project run by the Netherlands, Denmark and Germany.
Edit typo/autocorrect
Your opinion is not really based on facts.
@@saba1030 🤣🤣🤣🤣. US SEMICONDUCTORS 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@hughh1594 🤡🤡🤡
@@EmmaNguyen-mg5xq
You don't have to pull funny faces, just look up about "Wolfspeed" 😊
China is the only country with the renewable energy infrastructure to support the EV market.
The US and Europe need to improve the infrastructure first. Otherwise, EV will be too expensive to run.
You're a fool, Tesla is the world leader with the biggest infrastructure
Tesla is the leader in the world
@@UncleTonyshotsauce leader of quality issues, especially explosive rockets hahahaha
Nio is already in Germany and Norway
Chinese car designs are so much more interesting and refreshing these days. German cars are looking dated especially VW.
China will replace Germany and Japan as the biggest car exporter
Biggest car exporter of cheap disposable car. 😂
@@zevvile5208 You think that the quality of China's products is poor mainly because you are poor, you can only buy inferior goods made for the poor, China from the highest end to the lowest end of the product all, the quality depends on how much money you have. You should thank China, otherwise you can't even afford poor quality
Depends on price quality and battery life endurance comfort.
European Union car manufacturers have a proven track record.
Want to but a Lada or a Poloski Fiat How about a trapant
@@zevvile5208 check the price and see if u can afford 😂
China already replaced Germany as the second largest exporter. This year it's expected to surpass Japan
The European industry needs to step up and revamp its automotive sector because it's falling behind its competitors such as China and the USA, who innovate and promote more patents than Europe. For instance, China innovates or revamps its automotive industry more frequently and sells it at an affordable price to half of the developing world, while the USA innovates and revamps its industry but sells it at high prices, targeting wealthy countries. Meanwhile, Europe is not doing anything about it.
First of all, Europeans should think about Ukrainians who oppose Russia. And the cars, that's later
@@user-lawyer77 yeah troll 😂
@@user-lawyer77 what more do you want?
@@moniho6907go fight in the trenches!
@@user-ut5eg3jl4j ну и что, европейцы должны испить до дна политику двуличия
Of course companies will consider production to the US if the bean counters deem it financially viable to train, build the facilities and then consider costs to ship cars out of the US to rest of the world. Considering BMW X series made in the US have the most issues I doubt they would supply the world with US made BMW's without severely damaging the brand
@@danwelterweight4137If in China, consumers know that BMW with worst qualities are made in USA. BMW has significantly reduced the US made BMW exported to China. They don't really want to destroy their reputation in China.
Most of the world will not be buying BMWs. For Eurasia and North America that is.
@@billshi6005 the companies make them in the continent they sell them on.
At least German car manufacturers are offering an alternative of Otto cycle engines for those with a nostalgic bent.
😂awesome sarcasm
The west will sanctions those companies soon 😂😂😂
Lol
US for sure. But guess not European, or they’ll be hard to enter China as well. Everything will be both side.
@@jacobmee 😀那是不可能的中国车在西方很少，但是西方车在中国很多
what's the difference between sanctioning the biggest market and sanctioning themselves.
We lndians classify bullock carts as green energy vehicle.
This is what Baerbock has always expected, the market for German products only needs to exist in herself "democratic" world 😂
we should sell cars to those who dshare similar values
@@wenbo595 with this kind of mindset, you definitely will remain poor and pathetic for sure......
The only friend of the CCP is themselves. They are thieves, torturers and killers. I have no interest in Chinese products until the Chinese people have freed themselves.
@@wenbo595 In this recession period of so-called "democratic world", no one wants to buy a car.
@@wenbo595 wish india say same with it food grain IT sector that we only sell or provide our survice who's nation follow our non violence ghandhi bhuddha history.
It wants the clear light and the sound and the waves all at once
BMW lost 3% in the stock market because of one ice cream...
Never heard of this until you mentioned it. Shame on BMW for not giving everyone free ice cream. Chinese love ice cream 😊
别丢脸了，天天看那种大内宣自媒体，汽车股全线下跌，理想、蔚来跌得比宝马多多了.
@@almac9203 😂😂😂 I wouldn’t mind an ice cream too
21 billions for one ice cream
@@almac9203 true, the lost money could buy 500 million of ice cream they offered that day.
The european industry needs to innovate its automotive industry because it has been falling behind its competitors such as china and the usa because they innovate and promote more patents than europe. For example, china innovates or remodels its automotive industry more and sells it at an affordable price to half of the developing world, while the usa innovates and remodels its industry but sells it at a high price, targeting wealthy countries. Meanwhile, europe is not doing nothing.
Mercedes changed their company strategy to sell only luxury cars and I find it extremely positive that now they aren't eligible for the subsidies in the US, because their cars are way too expensive.
Not only are they (Mercedes) too expensive to purchase and run but also very unreliable lately.
I found it funny the fact of having ICE cars as money making platform was not so long ago viewed as an advantage over EV startups. Now it is claimed to be a disadvantage. I guess the lack of the urgency is the real problem. Jobs will be lost, investments will tank.
i succumb to the fact that my next car will be an EV doesn't bring me joy and excitement..... but ICE cars has reached its end years ago......
Весной в китае были огромные скидки на тесла, автомобили продавали ниже себистоимости, так как Тесла зарабатывает на акциях!!!! , а не на авто, маск лжец, когда говорит о прибылности его автомобилей в которых стоит аккумулятор фирмы byd, ни кто не будет продавать аккумуляторы ниже стоимости😉
@@fatdoi003 в европе есть машины на метане, даже Маск сказал, что это самое экологичное топлива, на пути от производства, до потреления 🤫
I sold my Porsche and get a BYD U8
Germany with current leaders like Baerbock is completely hopeless.
Same throughout the west, where production of most essential items have been moved abroad together with the technology needed to take over global production.
@@gae.atachykeep her in Germany please too precious of a thing to let loose 🥺🥺 but when she grows up it's to let her wander around neighborhood but not china 😊
@@chris-eq3sx they didn't want to Chris, tell me any western citizen that would work for dirt. if they are to produce back there you wouldn't buy it cause the cost of production would be so high.
@@chris-eq3sx
Please look up for:
Wolfspeed, a US company which will build the worlds largest semi conductor production plant in the German Federal State of Saarland.
Infenion near Dresden
Bosch near Dresden
TSMC (recently at negotiations) near Dresden
Silicon Saxony near Dresden
Intel near Magdeburg
Northvolt near Hamburg
Not only cars get build in Germany but all sorts of machineries/technologies etc.
Under her Germany has advanced from national gas, to nuclear, then to coal.
Looks like the future of Germany will be steam powered at this rate.
The real progress in China is on electric high speed rail, rapid transit and electric bikes. Other countries need to do the same. And the media needs to stop focusing so much on the auto industry.
Indonesia is following, we have been starting to adopt EV cars and motorbikes along with building factories for batteries and EV factories here. Also completing the first HSR in South East Asia. I am planning to switch to EV motorbike soon and after that i'm going to buy an affordable EV car like Wuling AirEV within 5-10 years from now. Govt has offered many incentives for customers to help switching faster. i think Indonesia is adopting the switch to EV quite fast for a medium income country.
@@ronzac55 China now has the largest HSR network by far, and any country that is serious about building HSR at a reasonable cost will need to do it as a consortium with China. But for this reason, countries that do not want to build HSR by using Chinese tech for political reason will simply not build it at all, because it would be too expensive. India has been adapting Japanese bullet train tech a great cost and is already behind schedule on their first ever high speed rail line.
4:17 No. it has to take place in the US, not in North America, unless you get those benefits as well when producing in Canada.
At 1:49 there is a good metaphor for what the Chinese were doing for the last 10 years. They caught up, now they need to keep up.
We barely have enough electricity to keep the lights on. Get over it.
Another reason is that electricity prices in China are very cheap,Electricity prices have not changed in the past 20 years，¥0.5/KW.h
haha...cheap chinese!
@@liebfraumilch3518 keep up with your attitude. The turtle has passed the rabbit and you didn't even know. It is time to eat your humble pie.
@@liebfraumilch3518 dumb German country boy
@@liebfraumilch3518 You are using the worlds most expensive electricities and petrol thanks to your US friend, and here you are laughing at a country they are able to supply their people very low priced electricities at the price about 7 US cents /KWH (0.5 China RMB).. Can people be more silly like this?
@@liebfraumilch3518 You are not from Germany, aren't you?
I am a Chinese living in Shanghai. I bought a BMW SUV back in 2018. Even then I was surprised by how much the inside design of this car lagged behind the state-of-the-art. For example, this car has a very small screen, and its primary control system was fully compatible only with the Apple phone, but not with my Huawei phone running Android. This is absolutely not possible on a Chinese brand car. I am still driving this car today, but probably will not consider this brand for my next car.
the biggest huddles in America is to speed up the availability of the public electric charging stations nationwide which will take a long time
Great report bravo DW
Indeed and good to see the competition between China and European auto industrie.
China's govt is smart, spending tax revenue on infrastructure such as trains and roads (and a whole heap of other things), as well as electric cars. Another well known country spends all its tax revenue on foreign wars. What's more sustainable long term?
China only spends 1.7% of GDP on military, while some very well known country spends > 3.4% of GDP on military.
Let wait and see the quality and service can stand up in competition. It take years of auto industry to earn their customers trust. Safety is also a big issues on batteries fires.
I think China is already the largest share holder of Mercedes. So really German cars and Chinese cars are basically the same.
No they only have the benefits but not take part in running the company.
@@flyingnan2520hey own 22% of the company. You can apooint managers all you want. Poor Wolfgang
@@kip1052 Do you know "dual share class"?
As it turns out, US cars are in the same situation as European cars, since both of them depend on Chinese parts.
While Tesla works with 24% margins, the EU producers work with 8% net margins.
This is why Tesla is lowering prices, to increase market shares in Europe, where there is a shortage of cars.
If you want to buy a new European car, in Europe today, you need to wait more than a year.
This video, from DW, is political; it aims to set European people against China, while opening up the European car market to US companies, mainly Tesla.
Why?
Because we made a big economic mistake on closing our European economies to Russia, after we haven’t yet recovered from covid.
This generated stagflation, a big inflation.
This mistake, is being used by China to increase their car sales to Russia, where they sell cars like hot cakes.
It’s all about who is bigger, the US, or China?
Europe is basically signing their own ruin, by opening up to American cars, because European companies can’t complete with the US, due to the US’s less restrictive work laws, higher prices of energy in Europe as well as much higher European production taxes.
I wouldn't say the video is against China, and much less in favour of the US lmao. And european companies, like chinese and american ones, have factories on different countries. So no, european burocracy is not the reason european automakers are behind US ones, the reason is...none. There are 2 european automakers in top 5, 2 chinese, and 1 american (by Ev sales), and in top10 its 5 european automakers, 3 chinese, 1 korean and 1 american. Also I dought european EV, came in six months, citroen ami
@ Joaquim Barbosa Europe could have enjoyed Russia's cheap energy, which is the key to reducing inflation. Unfortunately, Europe was led by the nose by the United States and sanctioned Russia's trade. You can pay attention to Russia's economy. In our normal perception, war should make Russia painful, but the reality is that it is better than ever. What's the problem?
@@xwqi That is, by all means, a false narrative. It is true that european leaders vastly underestimated Russia, but its economy is NOT in good shape
They are paying far more for semiconductors, bal bearings, driling machines etc. There are some kinds of essential tech wich only western countries have, and without that Russia Lopes competitiveness. The ruble already fell down again. They are chest is becoming increasingly emptier. They lost more then a million skilled labour
They stopped publishing reports on their economy, and all the data that we have points to Russia being considerably affected
Not to mention, european energy, and gas was never cheap. And slowly but surely gas prices are falling. When more pipelines are complete they'll be ok
One thing that could've helped was more nuclear power. France is managing to increase its production, and other countries are building new reactors. If only Germany would give up on 100% renewables
The Future is Asia obviously
China really, maybe India too if their development gets faster.
No wonder America wants to bomb the region so badly. It needs to reset everything in Asia in order to equalize and stop economic growth of the region.
@@100c0cINDIA is moving up too... Slowly but surely.
What if i tell you that, ASIA will need a cheap labour from AFRICA in 25 yrs time?!?
Look at how CHINA is building factories across AFRICA, Hydro electric dams and highways, ports are being built as well.
Not only NIO, also Zeekr 001. With the latest progress with batteries, these cars could make almost 2000 km per charge
China is so far ahead of the countries that once tried to colonise it its rediculous 😂
I do not care who is first or second... I only care what is better for humanity. At the end of the days it will be better for the environment and fight against global warming.
Without Russian cheap energy, Germany will be left behind for good. The German firms might as well move to china to take advantage of the Russian cheap energy there.
BASF
They already have.
Mini EV production has moved from UK to China.
这对德国工人不好，汽车是德国的命脉，德国政府不可能同意。
How was Germany doing before Russian gas was even discovered???
@@quettagladiator5272 German PPI index is still very high. Cheap Russian oil and gas made German industries run smoothly. Now after they halt nuclear plants, I wonder what's the future of German manufacturing power.
German and Japanese automakers were sleeping for the past 10 years.
The design, or EV platform is not the issue. I see bigger gap on software side. I see no chance EU can catch up on software side.
BYD's R&D investments into EV and Battery Tech is paying off, while the EU's proximity to the Oil Producing States of OPEC+ will give it sufficient Energy Security to develop its own Manufacturing Base while weaning Passenger Transport off Fossil Fuels for Electric Vehicles and biofuels.
4:19 That's why sent their representatives immediately when India found second largest lithium reserves.
China's CATL (the world's largest battery producer) has officially launched [sodium batteries], lithium demand will decrease in the next few years
I would still purchase a german car and wait in line for a year. Quantity != quality.
Watch out for BYD Seagulls with a price tag of $10000 and a new Na Battery technology which is a gamechanger!
If china prospers it's product's cost will start climbing up as it has already started
China undercuts the West because they don't have the same environmental laws and worker rights regulations.
Cheap energy from russia and cheap long term contracts w sanctioned Iran Qatar Saudi plus and high degree of automation means its unlikely to happen anytime soon. Also China is harnessing increasing amount of energy from renewables. Its the world leader in solar wind and others. Its energy security is an absolute champion.
You need a better product, so you have to pay more.
Germany has no one to catch up. without cheap gas from Russia, the german economy will fall lower and lower
the German economy is still growing...
@@mainmusik3677 the German economy grew by 1,8% in 2022. Growth this year is expected to be around 0,5%.
Please look up for:
Wolfspeed, a US company which will build the worlds largest semi conductor production plant in the German Federal State of Saarland.
Infenion near Dresden
Bosch near Dresden
TSMC (recently ist negotiations) near Dresden
Silicon Saxony near Dresden
Intel near Magdeburg
Northvolt near Hamburg
Not only cars get build in Germany but all sorts of machineries/technologies etc.
@@thegreatdane3627 The chemical and steel industries are especially growing. german in usa
@@smrid1835 Good that Germany just has those 2 industries. usa in german
Good. The Germans were overcharging for decades.
I honestly do not mind if a car is expensive, but base it on value for money.
This financial model of charging exorbitant amounts for options ( $5000+ for “technology packs, hundreds for ventilated seats“ ) is outrageous. Most of the mid tier cars being released have many of these features built in.
Many years ago I owned a 1990 Toyota Mark2,
It came with more fancy gear and options as standard than my factory pimped out 2013 Mercedes S class.
Most people think about the customer tax credit when they talk about the IRA but none of that money goes to the automaker it just makes their cars more competitive for customers that are in a range of income levels. But the direct money is in making the batteries and mining the materials.
In long run China EV revolution benefit the world and consumers in term of green environment and affordable prices. In short run inevitable painful for traditional car maker.
0:52 look at the state of that, do any of those screens tell you when you are about to run a pedestrian over?
If a car doesn't have safety features in China no one will buy them unless they're sub $7K
I was sure thinking the amount of screen real estate was excessive.. another one of those pink elephants.
Running over pedestrians part, the AI will take care of.
this car is Lixiang L8，The passenger seat can be completely flat,With massage function，free 5G internet in the car,you can watch tv in the car，The power of the battery can let you run the air conditioner for a week
*China🇨🇳 have border disputes with Taiwan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, India, Bhutan, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines.*
make border agreement & keep peace!
When anti fire installation will be in serial model?
china's market is extraordinarily engaging, they have drunk tea for thousands of years. but they can switch to coffee in one night.
I've been China last year to do market research on EV. The customer is not brands oriented, driven by new technology and creativities.
1/3 of the China EV brands are really bankrupt in the past 3yrs.
If they can survive in the china market it means they can dominate the world.
this is the reason of Korean car makers companies put bids on hydrogen cars in next-gen.
Hydrogen is impractical
Bravo News for DW bring in and for sure , EVs industry boost very fast and it sounds kind of New TOPIC bring hate concern for the West , there is long way to travel , competition is good for all , open mind always..
Open mind? You are not talking about China there, right? What the CCP thinks about open minds they made completely clear in HK and with their clandestine political police stations.
Because China has the largest EV infrastructure in the world and they're going all out by making the best mass consumer EVs.
It is China's local people and govt policy which should be credited for their overhaul. A decade ago Chinese local players were only famous of counterfeiting cars of foreign players.
But they learnt a lot from JV with foreign players and are now setting the rules for the big players to follow.
Standing on your own two feet is a success, beating competitors is a victory. Survival by subsidies could be a victory, but not a success. Germany's manufacturing sector is in no position to squeeze out its competitors, so it needs to aim for success, not victory.
So which one could be a success for Germany? Internal combustion, EV, or both?
I know almost nothing about the profitability of the motor industry. But undercutting a heavily subsidized competitor does not sound like a success to me. Perhaps there's a day when EV could be a viable industry for Germany, but right now I don't see actions taken to address the whole supply chain issue in the foreseeable future. Am I missing something?
@@sandylee7144 I guess you need to do better than Tesla to claim a success.
The Chinese government subsidizes all enterprises selling electric vehicles, including foreign companies. Interestingly, Tesla has received the second-highest amount of subsidies.
BYD is profitable. It does not rely on subsidies except what the consumer gets from the state as incentive to buy ev.
Iron and sound waves are pissed off of light atm
Top of the line: BYD U8 & U9; my favorite: Zeeker X
Good thing US’s carmakers are doing fine.
Wasn’t Tesla cutting prices?
Tesla actually just increased them in US
Tesla started a price war in China.
US car makers are doing fine because the Chinese haven't introduced them yet on the American market.
So, that video I sent is wrong?
@@marktrinidad7650 Tesla is the best selling foreign brand in China. Plus, China doesn't make the big cars that most Americans buy.
China has overtaken Germany in 2022 as worlds second largest car export country, this year 2023, it will takeover Japan as worlds largest car exporter. I think China will leave all other competitors in the dust, not just the EV industry, but in all fields.
Digital panels in car are becoming like tv sized.
Where's the Human rights in China 🎉😂
Yeah
Just give up on the Chinese markets and go beg US to sell the cars in the US market 😂. Go compete with Tesla 😅
Let’s speak about where the cobalt and other minerals come from. Also,when will the power grid be updated to charge these?
One of the first thing the Chinese do in my country Indonesia is investing big in Ni Co smelters for EV batteries and followed by LG of South Korea. I am also glad that BASF and VW subsidiary is investing In Indonesia for EV batteries and with our tax subsidy it would encourage investment in EV. All ICE cars, motorcycles, buses and trucks will be phased out in 2035. Utilisations of renewables energy in 2023 is 26 % and by 2030 it will be 60 % from Geothermal, Solar, Wind, Hydro, Biomass , ocean wave. Thorium PP and LNG will be a back up for charging . This year Hannover messe will be a foundation for future German Indonesia cooperation in Electric Mobility , Renewable energy and digital economy 4.0.
Vw, bmw, mercedes had their heads in the sand with regards to EV
Is this considered positive news for China? This is the first time in 2 years
China 🇨🇳 >>>>> Germany 🇩🇪
The E-fuels fairytale is going to completely destroy German car companies
If the leaders are only focusing on the short term businesses, there is no wonder this will come.
Leaders are lost in a world of abnormal profiteering at the expense of innovation and improvement.
Now that the perceived benefits of electric cars have diminished - namely that electricity has gotten more expensive while oil prices have dropped making electric cars not much cheaper to fuel than ICE, the problem with range anxiety and the cost to replace expended batteries - the love affair with electric cars is quickly coming to an end.
1. China is overtaking Germany in electric vehicle sector.
2. China's 56 ethnic groups have strong belief in Chinese saying " FOOLISH OLD MAN CAN REMOVE MOUNTAINS " ( 愚公移山 ），especially with the far-sighted , pragmatic and effective government leadership. They have strong will and enormous capabilities to overcome all kinds of obstacles in relatively short period of time.
Lol ccp being effective 😂😂😂
Germany has never led in EV.
@@cfwin1776 German car makers like Mercedes , VW and BMW produce EV
@@JIANGTG iam indian iam with you
@@JIANGTG just a small correction.
VW is actually Chinese,
Mercedes E and E class L are Chinese
All BMW i Series are Chinese
Oh! And Volvo is………..Chinese!
All legacy European automotive brand EVs are joint ventures with guess who……. CHINESE!
Especially the red light
Mechanical manufacturing is not limited to civilian cars, there are too many other machines. There is still a big gap between China and Germany.
Tesla produced 710.000 cars in its Shanghai factory, last year.
How do you think Tesla will readjust to the US strategy of decoupling from China?
Lol yeah
Better sell your Tesla shares
@@paspa i will sell my TSLA shares..... in year 2032! 😎
@@paspa Tesla Energy will be bigger than Tesla Auto after year 2030 😎
Do you really believe the US economy can live without China ?
I mean, China invented the globalization of trade.
Will you buy a MacBook made in Thailand, 40% more expensive and with lowest build quality ?
Everybody is concerned about the market going down but refusing to take advantage of it. The best decision I ever made in my life was investing regardless of the market condition. I made over 118k.USD with a start up of 39k.USD in the last three months . Trust me guys, it really pays a lot!
haven't seen a good chinese ev yet tbh. When your each the price range of the western competition, I liked those vehicles way more.
Subsidies are there in every country. European procurement systems always favor European producers so let’s not call it out when others have Similar system
China has taken it to a totally new level. It's a country wide, concentrated attempt to boost companies so that they can exploit their stolen IP to beat the foreign competition. Or how many large western companies you've seen getting artificially kept afloat while constantly operating at a loss?
China EV subsidies ended in 2022😂
byd CEO最近向政府提议延长期限至2025，后续消息暂时不清楚。
So how come these companies are still operating at a loss? Where's the money coming from to pay everything?
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 Isn’t this the American model? Not many tech companies in the US have positive net income, despite IPO’ed years ago.
@@bobdoe38 You mean continuous and seemingly endless government subsidies to keep you afloat year after year as you make deficit?
I'm by no means an expert on the US model, but I doubt this isn't it.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 right. Are you aware USA just passed a huge EV credit in order to compete with China? Is this not a subsidy?