20MPH Speed Limit In Wales | War On Motorists
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2023
- With the new 20mph speed limits starting on the 17th of September , I carried out my own research .
Link to the petition … let’s get this overturned !
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Children arriving late for school.Buses rescheduling.People missing appointments. This is a disaster .Welsh people are suffering again because of Drakeford.
Let’s hope he sees sense for once 🤞
Drakeford is a South Wales toss-pot (or piss-pot) !!!@@DrivewayHustlers
you complaineth too much
Set off earlier! No one is "suffering"! Some people will speed whatever the limt.
Buses are scheduled that's the problem
It's designed to get you out of your ice car and force you to buy a milk float.
The milk float doesn’t seem like a bad option at the moment 🤣
No, Punkawallah Khan wants you to drive his beloved 'Tuk-Tuks' or ride
Indian Holy Cows. !!!
Horses can do 20mph. Same vets bills can be more than mechanics.
Measures such as this are not about safety, they're about control. Independent mobility means less dependence on the state. They want to reduce the number of people who are independently mobile, which they accomplish by making driving worse. Same as bike lanes and all the other various nonsense they implement. Accept that it's all about control and it all makes sense.
Absolutely, this has the smell of the totalitarian tiptoe about it.....
saving children's lives is totalitarian, just slow down, drive more nicely, reduce the risk of a heart attack.
he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
This is why they’ve tried to ban electric scooters. Because it isn’t lucrative to them!
over a 2.5km journey, who drives for just over a mile, utter garbage@@robsurname4054
Kids come out of Schools staring at their mobiles with ear buds in each ear maybe teaching them some road sense would help more than punishing drivers because kids are addicted to their phones glued to their heads and so are their parents.
Yes I’ve seen it myself , accident waiting to happen . And the motorist gets blamed !
Where is the cycle proficiancy test, where is the green cross code man adverts. where are all the safety videos gone that we use to have in school. I recently read a post by someone that their car manual use to show you how to adjust the tappets on the camshaft. Now the manual just says contains battery acid. DO NOT DRINK. This is the society we now live in.
Couldn't agree more.
@@MichaelEdwards2 cycle proficiency is taught in schools, the people who voted Tory in 2010 voted in Cameron who closed the public information office. car manuals used to show how to adjust tappets, but most modern cars are OHC or electronic. We live in a society that appears not to care about the number of pedestrians killed on the roads, some drivers care more about saving a few seconds between stops at red traffic lights.
So drivers therefore should slow down ? he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
In 1903 the national speed limit was raised to 20mph. In 1930 it was abolished as virtually no one was obeying it and as such it was encouraging disrespect for the law and potential law breaking in other areas. This occurred at a time when compared to today car overall top speeds were a lot lower, safety systems were few and braking systems were poor. So if it failed then, it will certainly fail now. Already most users do not obey to new speed limits and those that get caught will feel aggrieved and it will likely promote further unlawful behaviour due to a perceived unjust law.
I think your right , it sure will !
Vote with your feet like I did, and emigrate.
it will only fail due to selfish, self-entitled and anarchist drivers who believe they have the right to ignore the law if stops them driving with no respect for anyone else.
In the 30's there many more deaths with much less traffic
Some decades ago, one county in the USA put a 30 mph speed limit on part of an interstate that passed through, purely for revenue collection.
The state told them to remove it, or they would build a bypass and leave the county isolated.
Speed limits are not the answer to any problem, they can and will be ignored.
Education to promote responsible driving is.
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@@tony_w839 In the decades following that, they improved road safety and the safety and training of drivers and pedestrians and that greatly lowered deaths. They did not however reduce the speed limit down, which has been shown by multiple studies to have a minimal impact on road fatalities. I live in an area of Wales where virtually all the councillors are Labour. Yet I cannot find anyone who supports the 20 mph law and driving around most ignore it. Which means you think the majority of the Welsh people are self entitled. We are not. We believe in reasonable laws not ones that impose unreasonable restrictions for next to no benefits. A few lives might be saved on the roads but many thousands more will die because of lack of health care, because health care costs money and the damage to the economy will mean a lower provision of health care.
The prime minster of Wales is like 'You will drive at 20mph otherwise you will be fined for speeding'. It is either Drakeford's way or the 20mph highway.
They’ve got to police it to enforce it 👍
This is the same man who completely fxxxed Wales with the lockdowns and imposed the harshest penalties . He is a WEF green meany and justified it because of false premise..
@@DrivewayHustlers Exactly.
Best not to kill anyone BOYO. he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
it's certainly not, its has already resulted in bus companies cutting their routes and timetables that they are unable to meet due to extra journey time, carers are also being impacted substantially due to the speed limit directly affecting how many social calls they can complete during a shift, hauliers are also having deliveries impacted due to excessive travel times to drop offs , it will cost the welsh economy billions in this ill researched poorly implemented ego policy by drippy dictator drakeford
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Just consider this.
It's estimated that the change in speed limit will save 6 lives per year Wales-wide.
It's cost *officially* £30M to implement, but will cost far, far more in productivity, even ignoring the effect it'll have on tourism - let's say £1B per year.
What would happen if that money were spent on the NHS in Wales?
How many cancer patients could've been saved that will now die?
How much could social care improve?
Or the almost non-existent dental care?
The petition to rescind this law is now close to 400,000 signatures and counting - well over 10% of the entire population of Wales - that's a lot of electorate to get on the wrong side of if you value your chances at the next election - they may want to consider listening for once.
It really could have been spent a lot better , I was unfortunate to have to ring for an ambulance a few weeks ago for somebody . 90 minutes to 4 hours they said 🙄
23 years in power, old mining communities blindly voting for these idiots, they can do no wrong so labour don’t have to appease their voters, in other words, they can do what they want.
Drakeford is a control freak, put him together with Lee I hate cars Waters, it’s a deadly cocktail.
Pulling a figure of £1b out of the air does not make it real. Looking at the known costs of fatal and serious traffic accidents will however give you a real cost benefit.
The Welsh police now allegedly have time to deliver milk and papers on their way to an emergency call !!!!!!
I’ll put my order in 🤣
Yes, now that drivers are behaving themselves the police can go solves some other crimes.. and the nhs can deal with more patients. he 20mph limit is working well, much better than expected. Most people are complying with the new law. Journey times, on average are only 46 seconds more. These figures have been compiled using sat nav data so are pretty accurate. Picture the scene of a road traffic accident, ambulance time being taken up, police cars, fire engines, the carnage, people in agony with torn limbs and bleeding. So, instead of treating just a few victims of car accidents involving MULTIPLE, COMPLICATED operations requiring long term stay in hospitals, the NHS can now cope with a LOT more SINGLE, SIMPLER operations requiring short term hospital stay. This will reduce the present waiting list for our loved ones, babies, children, adults and the aged who need operations in order to save their lives. If we don't allow ways to get them treated we are contributing to more suffering. So please support the new 20mph limits
We find ourselves debating nonesense because nonesense is what We are being given...
I live in Wales. Last night I was driving at 20mph on what was a 30mph road. A wheelchair user crossed the road, I had to slam on my breaks and narrowly avoided hitting him. Thankfully he was okay. I can only think he misjudged the slower speeds and thought he had more time to cross. Some would argue the slower speed saved him from being hit. I think had the traffic have been moving at 30mph he wouldn't have attempted to cross in the first place.
Brakes. If you want to appear credible, FFS learn to spell. I'd have got an hours detention in school for that comment.
The changes made to the Highway code last year state pedestrians have right of way once they start crossing unless on a motorway or dual carriageway so legally you should have stopped to allow them to cross. If there was an accident you would be to blame regardless of speed limit.
You are using crystal balls too much my friend. Well done for stopping but you simply can't read minds like you are doing. You saved his life by driving carefully and being alert at the wheel .... WELL DONE YOU !
@@Gmh6477 Thanks Lefty. Get that brown nose up Drakeford's rear end.
How often were you checking your speedometer? Instead of the road to make sure you didn't exceed the 20mph.......
The only times I've seen someone get run over by a car is when the pedestrian just walked out right front of a car.
No stopping distance, great brakes or cat-like reactions is going to fix that.
It’s mainly the case 👍
There seems to be some significant confusion here in Wales over the Speed Limit change and so, I thought I would help by briefly explaining how the change works so that there can be no confusion:
Any roads that were previously 30 will now be 20 apart from the roads that aren't going to be 20, which will still remain as 30. When you see street lights you have to assume that the roads will be 20 even if the signs still say 30 because despite the signs saying 30, the roads could be 20, apart from, of course, the roads (as explained above) which will remain 30 despite them being 20. It's also important to remember that there will still be a number of roads which despite them having streetlights will not be 20, and in these cases they could be 30, 40, 50, 60 or even 70, however, always bear in mind that even if the signs on these roads still state 30 they could, of course, be 20 unless they are one of the roads that have been designated 30, in which case the 20 restriction will not apply.
I trust that clarifies. It's really not difficult.
I cant take credit for the above as its been passed from person to person and the source has now been lost. But I hope that explains it.
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Love your explanation Michael, it's so easy ! ! why can't people see it. Like you I have one thing only to say. Heeellp
@@1aberbeeg its bad. there is a road I travel everyday and there is a 20 sign straight from a national speed limit. But if you look at the overlay map it says this road is part of the exemption and is still 30. So why on earth put a 20mph sign on there. right outside the Council Offices in Ystrad mynach.
@@MichaelEdwards2The 20 sign is there to fool people into thinking its 20 officially , but it isn't,it's a deception . When I was bus driving, a passenger made his own bus stop sign and put it outside his place of work, to save a few yards walk. His face when we all ignored it was priceless, that would be my suggestion for the 20 sign.
Summed it up perfectly Michael Edwards 2
Driving jobs like couriers will be unbearable
Half of them wernt brilliant before this !
My experience driving in South Wales since policy introduced is that 1) the majority of drivers are ignoring limits, 2) incidents of dangerous driving have increased, 3) my fuel economy has decreased by an estimated 25%, 4) drivers are less considerate to other drivers, 5) traffic is worse than before the policy.
In conclusion, I have nothing good to say about this.
Every point you have made there , i have noticed the same in the north . Apart from my fuel consumption, I wouldn’t have a clue , it just goes in 👍
12 English councils conducted or commissioned tests on the difference between 20-30mph and 12 results came back that there was no measurable difference.
That just proves a point then 👍
My car is sitting at 20mph @1500 rpm in 2nd gear.
Shifted into 3rd gear and car dropped to 800rpm and was stuttering.
Shorter stopping distances but burning twice as much fuel.
I don’t get out of first gear in the bentley 🤣
My caterham used to get really grumpy at 20mph and given it did 55 in 1st it was not ideal.
Better get an EV
I just Googled "fatal accident children wales"... Top couple of results were about the 2 teenagers killed back in may, riding an electric motorcycle without helmets, licence etc. at high speed in the opposite direction from the police in Ely... How will reducing the speed limit to 20 prevent this type of incident ?
It won’t 👍
It's caused total chaos this week in my neck of the woods (the Llanelli area).
There was a serious accident on the A48 in Carmarthen yesterday involving a coach. I saw the aftermath - the front of the coach was destroyed by some kind of head-on impact.
We will never know if the ridiculous 20mph limit caused the accident because the morons who introduced it are also practised liars driven by what used to be known as loony left ideology.
Even if it was not the cause of the particular (very serious) coach accident, this blanket 20mph lunacy will cause many accidents. Guaranteed. People staring at their speedos instead of watching the road; people speeding on the motorway to make up time wasted driving through a tailback caused by the 20mph limit; people frustrated and overtaking in what used to be 40mph zones: these are the things I've already seen this week.
But any statistics will be lied about, flatly denied, or just buried.
We're living in really bad times.
There is more road rage than ever before 🙄
He never told you what lives he wants to save . He meant saving bugs life’s on your windscreen!
Good point 👊🤣
Bug lives matter😂
I have an automatic and it doesn't like 20mph at all. Prior to the recent introduction of the lower limit I deliberately drove to a town where they've had the 20mp limit for some time. It's where I have regular hospital appointments. I found it impossible to drive at a steady 20mph, even up hill. I was checking my speedo quite often instead of looking out for pedestrians and other traffic. I knew I wasn't driving as safely as I would normally. My speed varied from around 17mph to 23mph. My Cruise Control won't work below 25 so that was no help but, luckily, my car has a speed limiter and If I set that to 20mph, going uphill or on the flat I know my car will keep to that maximum speed and, if I'm going down hill, will sound a loud alarm if I exceed that limit.
Exiting one roundabout on a 50mph road, the 20mph sign is behind a lamppost. If you're watching the traffic you won't see it. Another local road is 30mph one side and 20mph the other, the reason being that traffic leaving a roundabout onto that restricted road would cause tailbacks onto the roundabout suddenly changing from 50mph to 20mph whereas coming the other way the Council isn't bothered how long the tailback is. I think that's confusing. If the road can be driven safely at 30mph going in one direction I don't see how reducing the limit to 20mph the other side of the road makes life any safer for pedestrians.
Most of my journeys take are either 20 minutes or around 40 minutes but much of that isn't in a 20mph zone. Consequently, journey times haven't altered significantly. I've been keeping a record but roadworks, buses and slow lorries have a greater impact so it's made very little difference to me personally. The major issue for me is that my car doesn't perform well at 20mph and I'm often in 2nd or 3rd gear (out of 8) whereas I would normally be in at least 4th gear. I have a strong feeling that the next thing we hear is that pollution levels are up and there'll be more restrictions imposed such as a ULEZ type scheme. Again, that may not be an issue for me as my car is ULEZ compliant at present but none of my friends have ULEZ compliant vehicles nor do they have speed limiters. One is seriously considering giving up driving altogether and, perhaps, that's the government's intention.
Will the new limit be abandoned? No it won't. The majority of Assembly Members in the Senedd voted in favour and they're not going to admit they got it wrong. The best we can hope for is allowing local councils to have greater control over "exceptions".
I've spoken to a number of people who say they're ignoring the new limits and I've experience many occasions when cars travelling towards me are going at 30mph at least, and I've been overtaken. I've spoken to 3 people who weren't even aware that there were new limits. They've been driving as they had been previously.
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Fairly flawed testing as reaction time distances would increase the gaps greater. I agree though that 20 should be kept for special locations as it’s likely to be more respected than ignored if everywhere.
20mph outside of a school , a hospital or an extremely built up area . Totally agree with 👍
In my area, I've noticed that since the new limits, some people are slowing down everywhere, sticking to twenty in the thirties and doing forty in the fifties. Very annoying.
@@gemlouise1260 I don't think there is any evidence to back that up. It's more likely that because of the new limits you are now noticing the MANY drivers who just aren't consitent and don't even know what the speed limit is where they are driving.
Which has been going on since I have been driving back in 1987.
@@natsterjam I mean there is the evidence of my experience within the last few days on roads I drive every day, which is enough for me to go on to confirm that is indeed, real. It may not be true in general, which is why I specifically said 'my area'.
@@gemlouise1260 I get ya but I don't think you get me. Never mind 🤷♂
I would argue whole heartedly that the highway code of the UK states that if a road sign says 30MPH then in court that is the limit. Anyone thinking like they're going to get collered and charged for going 20 MPH in a 30 signposted zone should remember this.
I would like to see what the outcome would be 🤔
The extra distance travelled when stopping at 30mph you're going to be well under 20mph and ever slowing, it's unlikely you'd harm anyone in that extra distance especially in the focus
Make a good point , that why I tried it with a smaller car to see the difference !
Plus, the driver will be looking at the speedometer more because they don't want to go over the 20mph.....
You do , it’s hard to keep at 20 mph if you haven’t got cruise control
It's all part of the anti car agenda. Owning and driving a car is almost being considered elitist, and we should instead use the overcrowded public transport network, walk , or ride a bike! Here in London we have a similar lunatic to Drakesford in the shape of Sadiq Khan as mayor. The absolute absurdity of his rules means the poorest who have an older car are being forced out of them, with at the barest minimum a £12.50 daily charge - and that's as soon as you drive anywhere, to £27.50 per day if you drive into central London!
Of course to the wealthy inhabitants of the capital, that you see in the so called summer super car season in their Lamborghinis, Ferrari etc etc are more than happy with these charges as it just keeps Sloane Square and Knightsbridge etc clear of the everyday person, so making central London their private racetrack.
The irony of this daft situation is most certainly not lost on me. I am in the very lucky position to own two cars, one of which I changed last year to an EV. It could be argued that as I spent £85k on a new car which at over 5 metres long is certainly taking up its fair share of road space, and perhaps given the circumstances I should be in a better position to afford to contribute to London’s transport infrastructure. Instead I pay absolutely zero, and benefit from vastly reduced on street parking costs! Now like anyone I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and offer to volunteer to contribute, but I do feel there is something very odd about the current situation!
By the way, London and some of the surrounding boroughs have also adopted the insane 20mph limit, interestingly its the Labour Council areas that are the most vociferous in enforcing this 'daft as a brush' limit, and without meaning to get too Political, I dread to think what will happen when Starmer, and his trotsky friend Raynor get in at the next Election!!
When I was looking into it all I think here in wales they want something like ulez introduced which would be hurrendous ! But I do feel for people who live in London , especially the outskirts who have now been dragged into a ulez zone !
Stick a middle finger up to Sadiq. I've got a 2004 4.4 V8 petrol Range Rover which gets 15-18mpg and is somehow ULEZ exempt! Yet my friends 2012 1.4 tdci Fiesta which gets 64mpg is not and would incur the charge. It's ridiculous, just glad i don't live in/near London
All cars since 2011 are extremely clean and we should not be made to pay more tax...we already get taxed on emissions.
I never, ever want to visit India ~ sorry, London ever again.@@sloppy.giuseppe3860
@@matthewhaddon599 Oh and the more Co2 your car produces the more tax you pay and the more your car feeds the trees.... strange one that eh? The more Co2 the greener the planet gets and it actually cools the planet more. Makes me wonder what the agenda really is when 0.04 of the worlds atmospherical make up is demonised and taxed...
Power mad councilor who's been taking lessons from saqid khan
Best of mates I hear🤔
Teach kids to get their heads out of their phones. Look right and left. Don't just jump out into the road, wait for a gap! Any that get flattened are IN THE ROAD! Nobody is chasing pedestrians on the pavement.
I agree , the amount of children with out any sort of road sense is worrying ! And like you said , most are glued to phones these days !
l believe that the increase in traffic FUMES will increase / wait until he wants voting back in see if he changes his mind / every driver in wales wants get out one day and drive around at 20 the jams would be horrendous
Yeah I think a lot of his labour friends are telling him , there worries about loosing the seats !
Why should we in North Wales be ruled by a South Wales 'Tosser' !!!
@@tomhollandroberts1737 a South Wales tosser , a tosser definitely yes I’m from south wales well Brecon Beacons look I never voted for the welsh assembly I voted against it , grow up , we are all in this together United we stand divided we fall
Their seats want booting out to oblivion and then vote in someone that isn’t a dictatorial moron 😂😂😂
Car’s will be designed to work in accordance with the regular use.
20mph has never been regular use, so no wonder they won’t work well and cause excessive wear.
Might aswell get an electric bike , but that’s the agenda 🙄
Stopping distance at 20MPH versus 30MPH may be irrelevant if at 20MPH you're staring out of the side window watching cows in a field. On a straight road with light traffic, 20MPH may be too slow to keep your mind focussed on the road ahead, and instead you may find yourself admiring the scenery around you. Without adequate stimulation the human mind can wander from the job at hand.
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Swansea was jammed up today. An Ambulance pulled out into 2 lanes of a mile long queue. If it was an Emergency it would have been impossible for it to get through.
HOW IS THAT SAVING LIVES?!
I bet it’s carnage 👊
I was driving in a 20mph zone the other day and it was impossible to stick to 20mph . I can roll faster than 20mph and I had to constantly keep putting my foot on the brakes pedal to slow down.
The same problem , constantly looking at the speedo . And it doesn’t help that they have conveniently placed arrive alive vans in these 20mph zones
More wear and tear on your break discs, break pads etc. They know exactly what they are doing. They just want more tax payers money and this guarantees they will get it off you through either spending more often on replacing parts or from fines when speeding.
You did a fair test there. And I was quite surprised at just how large the difference was too. But you also have to remember that the thinking time will make the difference even greater. In fact, the overall stopping differences, between 20 and 30, are actually more than the entire width of a zebra crossing.
It doesn’t sound like much if you’re driving, but it’s a hell of a difference if you’re walking across the road on the zebra crossing.
I was surprised too, it got me thinking anyway ! I would rather be hit by a car at 20 than 30. But if I walk out into a road without looking , then I deserve to be hit . It’s Not the drivers fault !
@@DrivewayHustlers I agree that there are plenty of inattentive pedestrians about, but if a child suddenly runs out into the road, or a pensioner stumbles and falls into the road, or someone on a push bike suddenly falls off their bike? And there are plenty of old people now with dementia, and drunk people too. In fact, all sorts of potential for pedestrians to suddenly be in the road, as a car is driving along. And I think this is getting worse. Plus the new Highway Code gives priority to pedestrians at corners now, which is causing a lot of confusion for drivers who don’t know what the new rules are. In fact, all sorts of trouble ahead.
These situations are always possible, and will take drivers by surprise if they happen. So, despite the frustration of having to stick to 20, it’s probably a good thing from a safety point of view.
I’m reading that the average speed on urban A roads in Wales, before this new speed restriction, was between 22 and 24mph, depending on the time of day, and I assume side roads will have an even lower average speed. So hopefully the new 20 limit won’t make too much of a difference.
I think it’s too early to tell, and we’ll just have to wait and see.
Then after someone gets hit at 20mph they'll demand 10mph?
Could be right ? 🤔
Yes. The pandering politicians are just waiting for that case to take up the cause.
It's a slippery slope of control indeed !
I tend to keep looking at at my speedometer thus taking my eyes off the road ahead. I wonder if anyone has thought of this?
Your more conscious of your speed that’s for sure !
If was in wales I would make damn sure I drove at less than 10mph everywhere without fail especially holding up plod etc
Please don’t , it’s slow enough 🙈🤣
I live in the Midlands and used to holiday in Wales regularly. Never again. It'll take to long to get to where I wanna be. Cornwall here I come.
It’s such a shame , many of my friends who own businesses here are wondering what effect it will have on them
My family and I used to go to Llangollen every year from Devon..... never again though!
Very good points. Also working vehicles towing or heavy loads cant creep up hills at 20 you would burn out
Yes I’ve noticed this myself , when I’ve got a full trailer it’s extremely difficult
20mph around schools, any were else 30mph it's ridiculously slow, totally agree with you.
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ITS NOT JUST THE DISTANCE THAT COUNTS ITS THE TIME YOU REACT AND APPLY THE BRAKE
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Great video as always mate keep it up. My thoughts 💭 are, the world is going crazy when are we all going to stop putting up with the BS?
Nice one mate , who knows ehh .. but there’s only so much we can take
Good breakdown. Its going to make it more expensive on the car owners brakes etc. AND that thats a fair question about how meany accidents we're in the 30 mph. I live by a school and the parents are the worst for speeding up and down this road.
Of course ! That’s been my thought all along , but they haven’t said on what roads . So I take it it’s from all roads . Yeah because they’re in a rush to get to work no doubt !
@@DrivewayHustlers yes a lot of the parents turn up late as well. I will sigh that but it doesn't seem like he will charge his mind if they have spent aload of money already.
384k signed as i post here.That braking distance all changes in the wet though,but any sensible driver lowers their speed in the wet or ice.
It’s climbing 👍
Moving responsibility from those that need to show more responsibility.
Can't agree with the general blanket change but around schools and hospitals etc I can see the point. Having done a couple of speed awareness courses a while ago, the simple fact is that never mind stopping distances, if you hit someone at 30mph they are much more likely to end up with life threatening injuries. The survival rates and reduced injuries at 20mph are significant
I totally agree with you , but not on every 30mph road . Just a bit of common sense would be nice from the welsh government
The point with stopping distance is that you don’t hit them in the first place! And from 30 to 20 it’s not much difference
@@DrivewayHustlers common sense and government is an oxymoron
That extra 4ft or so will be at very slow speed and if you had a modern car with emergency brake assist you would stop considerably shorter than that. Also for the last four years cars have been increasingly fitted with autonomous emergency braking which will brake the car far sooner than the reaction time of a driver. This is being fitted as standard to all cars from about now so the general car population will be increasingly fitted to this safety stuff as time goes by.
Valid point , as you say most modern cars brake before you do now !
Are these ridulous braking distances needed for all the peds that are playing in the road?
True 🤣
They'll be reintroducing The Highways and Locomotives Act 1878, a law that required self-propelled vehicles to be led by a pedestrian waving a red flag or carrying a lantern to warn bystanders of the vehicle's approach.
Yes 🤣
Its playing havoc with my vehicle 20 mph is halfway between 2nd and 3rd gear it pissing me off not only that im burning more fuel so is that good for the ozone ???
Yeah it’s quite an awkward speed to maintain
have had discussions about automatic cars and speed. we have something called pedestrian street / vehicle street where you are not allowed to drive faster than people are walking. some claim their cars can't go that slow. many cars start in 2nd gear and they think it's 1st gear. but it is possible to put in 1 gear manually and then the car crawls forward. we have a speed in our city of 40 km/h, which means that many cars are in a lower gear with higher rpm, which increases fuel consumption. and you can't even shift up to a higher gear manually, I have to go up to 45 km/h to get into a higher gear with lower rpm and less consumption. it can't be environmentally friendly to lie in a lower gear with a higher rpm.
I’ve never heard of pedestrian street , where has that been implemented?
@@DrivewayHustlers here in Sweden we have streets for both vehicles and pedestrians and pedestrians have the right of way. think the maximum speed is 7 km/h, they are not particularly long, a few hundred meters. there are 4 pubs, 2 pizzerias, 3 Asian restaurants. 1 steak house, 1 phone repair shop, 1 tanning bed, 2 hairdressers, 1 fishing tackle shop, 1 Middle Eastern food shop, on a stretch of 250 meters so there are a lot of people walking there, like a walking path. but it is also one of the streets up to the center, therefore cars are allowed, I myself live above one of the pizzerias.
My van hates it. I hate it. My back hates it. I had 3 road rage overtakes of me yesterday with one nearly taking my back quarter off.
I’ve seen so many cars overtaking👍
So, what we have learned is that they should ban Range Rovers. Also, travelling slower gives pedestrians and other road users more time to react to other vehicles.
Don’t give him any ideas 🤣
The insane thing is they (those making policy) are using the highway code stopping distances in their logic, which, ignoring the "thinking distance" component which wasn't measured in your test, has a vehicle at 30mph stopping in 46 feet and a vehicle at 20mph stopping in 20 feet. Based on that even I'd say that is a big improvement. HOWEVER, as you test proves this isn't reality. Those stopping distances where calculated in the 60s using an average car at the time, a Ford Anglia with drum brakes all around. There isn't a car on the road with braking that bad any more. Everyone knows the highway code stopping distances are a joke and no one takes them seriously. We learn them to pass our test and then ignore them. It is about time they brought these figures inline with the 21st century. Cars today are infinity safer than back then. with bumpers and bonnets made safer for pedestrian collisions, crumple zones, ABS, Disk brakes, airbags, better street lighting and road design and markings. So we are not even close to the same level of risk we took as acceptable in the 60s, and now they want to reduce it even further. How about making everyone walk around in a bubble wrap suit too? Seriously though, the only way you are going to make our roads noticeably safer is to deal with those drivers who are either being inattentive, or pushing their luck because they are impatient, and the only way to do this is to put some actual traffic cops back on the roads again, and ditch this 29mph = angel, 31mph = spawn of Satan attitude to road safety.
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It would be interesting to measure the test with an Electric vehicle which is much heavier
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Electric vehicle are not heavier than a range rover and there centre of gravity is lower so they stop better than ice cars...
Drakeford will be retiring soon. Everyone needs to sign the petition, to send a clear message to his would be successor that the Labour Party in Wales have had it their own way for far too long, and this doesn't mean a vote for the other main establishment parties such as the Tories and Liberals.
Vote Reform UK, both locally and nationally.
Couldn’t agree more , a change is needed 👍
You are making a good case for 20mph !
I’m not 🤣
@@DrivewayHustlers You did come across as pro 20mph , you need to think about how you say things in future .
Good to see you caught the Chemtrails in the sky in your vid as well🤷♂️🤷♂️
Got a 20 mph limit up Haddenham Hill (near Ely) Makes the wagons cough and splutter trying to go up it - most lorries have automatic transmission these days with cruise control - they don't like it, buh!
I’ve seen it here , they struggle !
Here the 30km/h limit (18,75mp/h) speed limit was introduced because it reduces the injuries if you hit someone not so much because of reaction time. Also 40km/h limit is now the default in cities because it is regarded the highest speed you survive getting hit by when on foot. Also some claim it is to save fuel the 20mp/h limit, but that is just stupid as cars use a lot more fuel in that low speed. Best speed for fuel economy is 70 - 90km/h (44 to 56mp/h) for most cars.
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The main issue is not the distance saved, it is the number of lives statistically. It is always a balancing act, because at 10mph another percentage point would have to be considered and at 5mph, etc etc. Presumably the Welsh government has produced these figures to make a logical choice and not just an emotional one.
Why don't you submit a FOI request for the science behind this.... It worked with Khan.
Good work I applaud your efforts!
One thing you have omitted is the surprise factor.
OK so you’re driving in town the children ask “ can we get chips”, maybe your wife asks can we divert to here or there or even the dog barks. It is right at that instant when someone steps out and you slam on the brakes. All thought about the car, your passengers are forgotten, you were mesmerised watching the speedometer, whatever the distraction, the dogs backside is now lodged in your neck but you have to stop! This is what I call the surprise factor, the reaction time, the thinking distance perhaps?
Can I suggest your stopping distances could be increased by 50% to allow for this. In the tests you knew where the stopping point was, you were ready to brake, and with each successive stop you became tuned in to the task, hence you got better at it!
Please don’t think I am criticising I still think your results are valid, and 20 mph as a blanket speed is ludicrous.
Tourism will inevitably be impacted when these speed limits are enforced by camera or roadside check ,but when added to the per night tourism charge I feel this will become a big disincentive to holiday in Wales!
From the comments I see buses running late, people being delayed, traffic build up, generally things slowing down to a crawl. As a result costs will rise and prices will also rise, and taxis may have recalculate fares allowing for the extra timing, The Senedd should have considered these factors, if not, then they deserve everything that comes at them! Similarly the people of Wales do not deserve this imposition forced on them.
This decision should be reversed it is idiotic!
Yeah you make some very valid points . One thing I do and I don’t know about others , but when I’m in a highly pedestrianised area I’ve always got in my mind that I’m ready to slam on if required . It’s quite hard to explain on text , but I hope you get what I mean .
Is it the driver fault at whatever speed, if someone suddenly walks out into the road while wearing earphones or playing with their phone, and should those pedestrians be charged with causing an accident if that was proven by dashcam.
Totally agree , you can’t stop someone walking in front of you at whatever speed . If it happens so suddenly and you don’t react quick enough , your causing injury regardless of speed 👍
So, if you now do 2/3 of the 30 mph, that means it takes 1/3 longer to travel to where you were going and thus 1/3 longer the engine is polluting. Autos need to have the brakes constantly on and pushing more particulates into the air.
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I signed the petition, but never got the required Email needed to confirm it. I think Labour has legislated themselves out of office in Wales for the first time since Devolution.
You should have had the email with a link to click to confirm it . Check junk folder , if not try it again 👍
I got caught doing 35 in a 30 in Wales about 6 years ago, court offered me £120 fine + points or do an £80 course + no points. I took the course and as part of it I had to admit in front of everyone that "I stole 5mph". I agree I shouldn't have gone too fast, but stealing? Is there a fence out there who'd give me 2mph for my stolen 5mph and then sell it on for 10mph?
I know someone who’s just been had at 33 in a 30 🙄
@@DrivewayHustlers flaming norah what happened to 10%?
I've been at 3 courses and no point was I ever asked to admit what speed I was going nor is there any compulsion for you to do so ............ I call bullshit!!
When I attended a speed awareness course , they asked us what speed we were caught at ? Also they were collecting data on how we were caught , a police stop .. average speed camera, arrive alive van etc
I know , he wasn’t impressed . But neither would I be !
An update on this, car overtook a car doing just 20 or below mph this morning and nearly hit a car coming the other way, Road used to be 40 mph
I agree, it’s an agenda for more money and control, nothing to do with safety at all. What you didn’t mention though is that at 20mph everyone is watching their speedo, not the road. Your testing, as good as it was, was carried out knowing you were going to carry out an emergency stop. An emergency stop at any speed is dependent on “ thinking distances “ as well. Thinking distance is from the time the driver perceives or sees the hazard to the time the brakes are applied. If the driver’s eyes are on the speedo, not the road, the extra six feet stopping distance is lost (and even extended I’d argue) in fact, I’d say trying to drive at 20mph is as dangerous as driving while on the phone, it’s that distracting. You are bang on, suggest you do a follow up video on this. 👍
Don’t forget people will take more of a chance and will run out earlier than then they would otherwise. Result no difference.
I got overtaken by my gran last week,wouldn't be so bad but she died yrs ago,my van has been in the garage loads of times since this bollocks came about,I can't get my van out of second gear cos of stalling,more vehicles now on the road cos we all slowed down,more fumes goin into ppl houses cos we are stuck for ages in traffic jams,only good thing to come about it is cos of the speed I'm taking nearly an HR longer to get to work meaning I do less cos I got to leave earlier to get home,good for me but not the company,WELL DONE MR DRAKEFORD
It is impossible i had to go down to 2nd gear and a bike overtook me !
Some bikes are taking cars doing 30mph +
@@DrivewayHustlers The rules are that bikes have priority over cars these days despite the roads being built for motor vehicles. Up in the Peak District you can't get anywhere fast (or safely) without tour de twats all over the road demanding the whole road. The gov don't want cars at the end of the day and want us more reliant on public transport in which they can control and restrict when they like... It's just another step of control and reduction of freedom in my opinion.
If the person in front of you is driving at 20, overtake them and drive at 30. If you get fined, don't pay a penny!
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Please people of Wales sign the petition! This is totally crazy and will make no difference to accidents! Vote out the politicians that support this insanity.
I 100% support 20mph close to schools.
It’s still climbing 👊
I have a Ford c max and at 20 mph it use more fuel and high revs at 30 mph it runs better and lower revs on cruise control I think if we have to have lower speeds it should be at 25mph at best all car will run better?
Keep it at 30 I’d say 👍
Great video as always.
I recently entered a 20mph zone going to Cardiff. What a shock that was after being a driver for about 50 years 🤬
I had to constantly keep looking at the speedo instead of the road. 😡
Cheers 👍 It’s ridiculous !
20mph on ALL 30mph roads,
GIVING the POLICE more SPEEDING FINES to COLLECT,
JUST a MONEY grabbing System to me.
I wonder how much they’ve collected so far 🤔
So according to your tests, it’s taking around 50% further to stop from 30 than 20. That is significant. But does that make 20mph a sensible limit for the risks round. If we have, say, pedestrians stepping out less than 18’ in front of a Range Rover travelling at 30, it’s difficult to imagine how that can be anything other than pedestrian error. Perhaps we could spend a whole lot less money and cause a whole lot less inconvenience and disruption by educating pedestrians and maybe not messing up established practices by changing the HWC priorities!
That’s it , I think education on walking on roads would be more beneficial. The amount of people I see walking down a road with a pram , and go to cross the road and put the pram out first ! At any speed it could be catastrophic
What would reduce risks is prosecuting cyclists.
Well that’s me never going back into wales
Let’s hope we can change that for you 👍
The problem is that drivers do 40 in a 30 . 80 in a 70 60 in a 50. ( All my observations over 40+ years ) it's just what people do, and no law will change that fact. ( if your reading this comment and you don't believe me, try driving at 30 on a good stretch of a 30mph road , and watch how soon you pick up a queue behind you 😂😂😂)
I see that myself , if people want to drive faster .. they will !
Now been in for 8 weeks and where are all the posts? Perhaps it is not so bad as expected.
Same road have 30 mph one side 20mph the other ??????? The man is insane 😡
I’ve seen a lot of that too🙄
So it looks like it IS safer to drive at 20 mph than 30MPH.
Not as safe as not driving at all.
It's safer to stay at home, under your duvet, never answer the door, or interact with other humans....... doesn't mean its a good thing does it....
I am Welsh and when I go for a drive down the town my car is stuck in second gear to stay below 20 mph at about 19 mph and am looking at more at the speedo to make sure that I am below 20 mph than at what is going on around me whilst the car is over revering to stop the engine from stoleing as cars are not designed to drive at 20 mph all the time and a electric bicycle over took me yesterday doing 20-21 mph and therefore I will be signing the petition
I think we are all in the same boat , it’s hard to keep at 20
Just been looking at flip number plates on ebay 😂
Oh dear 🙈 problem is getting caught with them on , your in deep doo-da 🤣
How much are they .? Thank you.
@DrivewayHustlers I know mate 👍
To the Welsh Politbureau it is not about whether it works or not, it is about CONTROLLING OUR LIVES. The 20 mph limit is just on of a whole series of idiocies because as with all far left regimes they like to exercise their power and in Wales we have had dual carriageways converted back to single lanes with the other halves given to cyclists, pavements widened on already narrow bridges so that traffic light control is needed and a while back posters appeared in bus shelters informing children that their parents broke the law if they smacked them.
Very true 👍
I did a speed awareness course & they told my that the speed limit is 'The limit' & you are supposed to be below that fs literally mental
Mental isn’t it , I’d much prefer to get pulled by a traffic officer than a camera . You can get out of a ticket , but not with a camera
Road safety, I'm 56 was taught the green cross code ,our teachers took us out and taught us to cross roads . Take mobile phones out of kids hands would save lives alone ..
Yes I was taught that when I was young too . But I agree , that’s half the problem 👍
Anyone worked out the affect of rows of cars crawling along in low gear and spewing CO2 would have on air quality?
Surly that should be looked at !
Good video and although it seems to favour the speed limit you're not going to get people jumping in front of you every time
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Grate video
Cheers Bob 👍
i wonder how far, say over a mile, how much we actually travel looking at our speedometers instead of pre empting the road ahead, ie driving without looking where we are actually travelling too, in total,and am fairly sure this would compensate your measurements between the twenty mph and the thirty mph stopping distances, and also, looking at my speedometer and driving without due care and attention, come to mind, which will be my statement in the unfortunate instance of having an accident ( hopefully not though )
Is it safer or are angry/ frustrated drivers more likely to try and make up time in non 20mph areas, travelling faster, and chancing dodgy overtakes. If so, it could cost the NHS more not less.
Being slower than the US is tragic. We have 15mph by schools, 25 mph in residential areas.
Stopping distance is irrelevant, what is relevant is the kinetic energy which is carried by the vehicle at 20 and 30 mph. How do you calculate the kinetic energy of a car?
the kinetic energy of a moving car object is KE=1/2mv^2. create and test a function called KE to find the kinetic energy of a moving car if you know the mass m and the velocity v of the vehicle. It is the Kinetic energy that causes injuries and death, not the stopping distances. Kinetic energy reduces during the braking or slowing down from maximum at any given speed to zero when the car is stationery. This is relevant for every individual vehicles weight. Stopping distances rely on other factors, road surface condition and construction, condition of vehicle, tyres and tyre condition, vehicle weight and reaction time of the individual driver. The difference between being hit by a vehicle at any speed is only relevant in relation to kinetic energy, therefore to reduce deaths, Drakeford would have to reduce the speed limit for heavy vehicles more than light vehicles, in the case of an HGV the kinetic energy is such that reduction of allowable speed would need to be in the region of 1 mph. It is the kinetic energy that injures or kills at the moment of impact, the moment of impact is a variable of all the factors mentioned above and is not only reliant upon the speed limit in place.
well said mate
Reporting from Swansea - its a F^ckin disaster!! Traffic jams everywhere.
Be interesting to see how bad it is at rush hour
But….when I’m distracted looking at my Speedo
You won’t stop in time
Years ago, Manchester and one other local authority discovered their 20 limits increased casualties or made no difference. The conclusion was that pedestrians became complacent and drivers paid less attention at lower speeds.
ALso, pollution. Lower speed = longer journey time = lower gear = increased revs = more emissions.
Welsh bus companies are struggling to achieve schedules now and couriers must be having a hard time maintaining deliveries.
Any safety drive shouls address pedestrian education. Historically around 85% of injury accidents are caused by the pedestrian.
This isn't about safety, it's an element of the global agenda to eliminate personal mobility and isolate us in ghettos.
Thw Welsh Assembly is complicit in this crime against humanity.
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Pedestrians are normally hit when not seen by either party. The laws of physics can't be negated. Compared to the horse and buggy era people are less likely to get run over today.
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my uncle offered to pick my mum & dad up from a party one xmas being tea total on the drive home at 20mph a man stepped one foot in front of his car bonnet killing him stone dead my uncle had no chance of stopping and it shook him up so bad he never drove again
I would be shook up too . I hope your uncle has managed to get through it 🤞
@@DrivewayHustlers alas my uncle pass away 12yrs after the accident of lung cancer some 35yrs ago but my point was that if he was doing 10mph he still would have hit and killed him when he stepped so close to his car bonnet
my wifes grandparents left Wales 100 years ago I see things are not any better there
My paternal grandmother too, then stupid me decided to return🥴.