Thank you for this! Im new to rwd (GR86) and I had my first oversteer spinout at Summit Point Main (40F, wet) coming out of T9 and gave too much throttle mid turn and was not prepared how to correct it. As I started to skid, I took my foot off the gas (mistake 1), then tried to countersteer to get the car straight, but since I let off the gas, all the weight transferred to the front while trying to countersteer and not having prior practice was a scary, but good learning experience. After watching this, it makes alot more sense and I will make sure to apply in the future and keep practicing
This just happen to me at Barber,, I was going into turn 1.. My car came around , I some what lifed but never hit the brakes. Car came back around and I was fine.. Lucky i guess..just stay focus..Great vid
Oversteer is scary in high grip (summer tires, hot asphalt) scenarios. If you are inexperienced driver (like myself), and you try to push the car hard into a long tight street corner, the back might step out so fast that you won't be able to control the car at all..
Does it ever pay off on a long sweeper to throttle steer (off and on) to keep the speed up and the car doing just a bit of over-steer? This seems to speed up a long turn, but does it mean I am just not going fast enough to begin with? The car I speak of has an oversteer bias, but is mostly balanced. (lightweight 300Z)
+Julia Young Don't you wish there was a rule that said, "Always do this" when it comes to driving?!! Or maybe not - that would take the fun out of it. My point being that what you're suggesting might be the best way in your car in many corners, but not always. For sure, what you're suggesting can work and be effective. And really what you're talking about is managing the weight transfer to get the car to do what you want, which is great. But to your question about whether this means you're not going fast enough, unfortunately I can't tell you without knowing more. Being able to modulate the throttle to change the balance and make the car oversteer (or understeer) does not necessarily mean you're going too slow. But it could. Try going faster to find out!
@@Speedsecrets1 When going karting i experience sometimes experience oversteer, where in the corner, the tyres lose traction just for a sec, but it brings the engine revs right down and kills my exit speed. What can I do then? All I can think of is lower entry speed and like you said, maybe apply throttle through the corner a bit.
At the middle of the turn you want to engage the throttle just enough that the lean of the car's weight is balanced thru the side center. ...not too much weight in the front or the back. As you're coming out of the turn, progressively increase throttle keeping the car's centrifical weight balanced. Progress into slingshot acceleration letting the feel of the car dictate
So define the difference between a fishtail and oversteer. Where what you do to correct it is opposite advice. Fishtail let off the gas, oversteer step on the gas and steer into the slide. At what point is it not a fishtail but rather an oversteer and vice versa.
Well 'step on the gas' for oversteer is only really in a couple of scenarios for oversteer. It depends what induced the oversteer how you get out of it. And I wouldn't overthink that bit, it's not a question of giving the car a big input of throttle and if you induced the oversteer by putting on too much power at the apex, for example, or by braking too much when trying to trail brake then you're not going to give it more throttle. The key thing is the traction circles at front and rear, what you're expecting the tyres to do in terms of turning and acceleration - and then 2 things (a) Getting back inside the traction circle (b) With the car heading in the direction you want it to go. And 'steer into the slide' is old and not a great way of describing it imo. As the guy in the video said what you're really doing is looking where you want to go and pointing the front wheels in the direction you want to go. Yes, that happens to be applying opposite lock or steering into the slide, but the key thing about describing it in terms of steering the car in the direction you want it to go is this latter one tells you how much to steer. As a car has weight, the back end can pendulum back so you have to counter that too. And the amount of steering you have to do, how fast you can apply it are all factors in whether it's successful - this isn't something you can think about at the time it's happening. Thus, verbal descriptions of what to do aren't conducive to learning because there isn't a checklist of things you can go over in your car when you lose the backend. The best way to learn this is to drive on a skid pan where the car will break away at relatively low speeds. Or on a track you want to push the car towards the limit in a controlled way so you're expecting the car to slide, and the slide won't be sudden. Under these conditions you can better practise and get ingrained into your muscle memory the control inputs to regain control of the car (or, in the case of the track, use the oversteer to rotate the car and get a lower lap time) Practise drifting around a skid pan and you'll learn to control the car, and then you'll be moving the wheel, applying brake and throttle really without a lot of conscious thought for the series of steps that a verbal explanation might give you. Another possibility might be to learn this stuff in a racing sim - albeit it's quite expensive to get the hardware you need for the wheel and pedals to feel close to a real car and the feeling of loss of control IRL in a car can be far more unsettling than in a sim. It's quite easy to drive fast and to calmly control the car in a sim because there's no G forces and you're not under any risk - and there are no consequences if the car hits something. The last thing to note too - that sometimes the best thing to do IRL if the car is moving fast out of control is to lock up the brakes and let it slide to a halt, maybe in the gravel - because desperately trying to control it can lead to the car flying at speed into other cars or a barrier. If there's grass at the side and you get on that then there's no grip and if you keep thinking you can get back on the track you're rejoining potentially into the path of several fast moving vehicles - and you've got the problem that when you go back from grass -> tarmac the tyres can suddenly regrip - and depending where you're pointing your wheels you're doing another ballet move. Sometimes the thing to do is to just stop the car and then look and see how you can rejoin the track safely. The bottom line is : 99% of the time you're driving you should be driving in a way that the oversteer is progressive and you're expecting it. If you're constantly getting unexpected oversteer that you think you're having to counter, then the fix to your driving needs to happen earlier before the oversteer happened. This is perhaps why most road cars are setup to understeer, because then 99% of drivers on the road will see the car isn't turning and remove gas and the car will turn tighter - and they generally do all this a long way under the limit - and this is how everyone should drive on the road if they're going to the shops or whatever.
So many praising comments, but the whole scenario is vague, you said you want to go right, so why steer left first, which is supposed the mistake that got you in oversteer, unless you are intentionally trying to drift, which i doubt because you are explaining for amateurs.
@@Speedsecrets1 1:15, any way sir, I would recommend adding some graphics in such topic, maybe am as prof driver completely understand what you are saying, but I follow the scenario in details, and another hint, probably better since most modern cars are all wheel drive, better to address the axle drive you are explaining, as front wheel, rear axle or all wheel drive, and if the driver is using traction control or not. Thank you
@@mycomment6699 Wow. A "professional" driver who knows more than this _extremely_ experienced racer and instructor, but doesn't recognise opposite lock when it's demonstrated. The action shown at 1:15 is the most basic technique taught by every single driving instructor - if the rear steps out while turning, turn the wheel the other way. That means correcting oversteer on a left-hand corner by turning the wheel..... TO THE RIGHT!!!!! Thats how you catch a slide. ***we are talking about a rear-wheel-drive car, before you start complaining about that***
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Great simple explanation, you explained oversteer in a few minutes what some take half n hour ,well done you!
Thank you for this! Im new to rwd (GR86) and I had my first oversteer spinout at Summit Point Main (40F, wet) coming out of T9 and gave too much throttle mid turn and was not prepared how to correct it. As I started to skid, I took my foot off the gas (mistake 1), then tried to countersteer to get the car straight, but since I let off the gas, all the weight transferred to the front while trying to countersteer and not having prior practice was a scary, but good learning experience. After watching this, it makes alot more sense and I will make sure to apply in the future and keep practicing
This just happen to me at Barber,, I was going into turn 1..
My car came around ,
I some what lifed but never hit the brakes. Car came back around and I was fine..
Lucky i guess..just stay focus..Great vid
Really great to understand everything that is going on with the car and understand how to compensate.
Clear and concise , thanks .
Nice video! Not lifting off the accelerator feels a bit counterintuitive and can be kind of difficult to unlearn
Beautifully explained. Thanks sir!
Really made this topic make sense!
Oversteer is scary in high grip (summer tires, hot asphalt) scenarios. If you are inexperienced driver (like myself), and you try to push the car hard into a long tight street corner, the back might step out so fast that you won't be able to control the car at all..
That's why he said squeeze the throttle not push it
You should make more videos like this.
Nevermind. You already did! Thanks for all the content.
Does it ever pay off on a long sweeper to throttle steer (off and on) to keep the speed up and the car doing just a bit of over-steer? This seems to speed up a long turn, but does it mean I am just not going fast enough to begin with? The car I speak of has an oversteer bias, but is mostly balanced. (lightweight 300Z)
+Julia Young Don't you wish there was a rule that said, "Always do this" when it comes to driving?!! Or maybe not - that would take the fun out of it. My point being that what you're suggesting might be the best way in your car in many corners, but not always. For sure, what you're suggesting can work and be effective. And really what you're talking about is managing the weight transfer to get the car to do what you want, which is great. But to your question about whether this means you're not going fast enough, unfortunately I can't tell you without knowing more. Being able to modulate the throttle to change the balance and make the car oversteer (or understeer) does not necessarily mean you're going too slow. But it could. Try going faster to find out!
Is this why they say you have to accelerate mid corner?
It's certainly a big part of the reason. It's all about balancing the car, and maximizing acceleration out of the corners.
@@Speedsecrets1 When going karting i experience sometimes experience oversteer, where in the corner, the tyres lose traction just for a sec, but it brings the engine revs right down and kills my exit speed. What can I do then? All I can think of is lower entry speed and like you said, maybe apply throttle through the corner a bit.
At the middle of the turn you want to engage the throttle just enough that the lean of the car's weight is balanced thru the side center. ...not too much weight in the front or the back. As you're coming out of the turn, progressively increase throttle keeping the car's centrifical weight balanced. Progress into slingshot acceleration letting the feel of the car dictate
So define the difference between a fishtail and oversteer. Where what you do to correct it is opposite advice. Fishtail let off the gas, oversteer step on the gas and steer into the slide. At what point is it not a fishtail but rather an oversteer and vice versa.
Well 'step on the gas' for oversteer is only really in a couple of scenarios for oversteer. It depends what induced the oversteer how you get out of it. And I wouldn't overthink that bit, it's not a question of giving the car a big input of throttle and if you induced the oversteer by putting on too much power at the apex, for example, or by braking too much when trying to trail brake then you're not going to give it more throttle. The key thing is the traction circles at front and rear, what you're expecting the tyres to do in terms of turning and acceleration - and then 2 things (a) Getting back inside the traction circle (b) With the car heading in the direction you want it to go.
And 'steer into the slide' is old and not a great way of describing it imo. As the guy in the video said what you're really doing is looking where you want to go and pointing the front wheels in the direction you want to go. Yes, that happens to be applying opposite lock or steering into the slide, but the key thing about describing it in terms of steering the car in the direction you want it to go is this latter one tells you how much to steer. As a car has weight, the back end can pendulum back so you have to counter that too. And the amount of steering you have to do, how fast you can apply it are all factors in whether it's successful - this isn't something you can think about at the time it's happening.
Thus, verbal descriptions of what to do aren't conducive to learning because there isn't a checklist of things you can go over in your car when you lose the backend. The best way to learn this is to drive on a skid pan where the car will break away at relatively low speeds. Or on a track you want to push the car towards the limit in a controlled way so you're expecting the car to slide, and the slide won't be sudden. Under these conditions you can better practise and get ingrained into your muscle memory the control inputs to regain control of the car (or, in the case of the track, use the oversteer to rotate the car and get a lower lap time)
Practise drifting around a skid pan and you'll learn to control the car, and then you'll be moving the wheel, applying brake and throttle really without a lot of conscious thought for the series of steps that a verbal explanation might give you. Another possibility might be to learn this stuff in a racing sim - albeit it's quite expensive to get the hardware you need for the wheel and pedals to feel close to a real car and the feeling of loss of control IRL in a car can be far more unsettling than in a sim. It's quite easy to drive fast and to calmly control the car in a sim because there's no G forces and you're not under any risk - and there are no consequences if the car hits something.
The last thing to note too - that sometimes the best thing to do IRL if the car is moving fast out of control is to lock up the brakes and let it slide to a halt, maybe in the gravel - because desperately trying to control it can lead to the car flying at speed into other cars or a barrier. If there's grass at the side and you get on that then there's no grip and if you keep thinking you can get back on the track you're rejoining potentially into the path of several fast moving vehicles - and you've got the problem that when you go back from grass -> tarmac the tyres can suddenly regrip - and depending where you're pointing your wheels you're doing another ballet move. Sometimes the thing to do is to just stop the car and then look and see how you can rejoin the track safely.
The bottom line is : 99% of the time you're driving you should be driving in a way that the oversteer is progressive and you're expecting it. If you're constantly getting unexpected oversteer that you think you're having to counter, then the fix to your driving needs to happen earlier before the oversteer happened. This is perhaps why most road cars are setup to understeer, because then 99% of drivers on the road will see the car isn't turning and remove gas and the car will turn tighter - and they generally do all this a long way under the limit - and this is how everyone should drive on the road if they're going to the shops or whatever.
So many praising comments, but the whole scenario is vague, you said you want to go right, so why steer left first, which is supposed the mistake that got you in oversteer, unless you are intentionally trying to drift, which i doubt because you are explaining for amateurs.
Where do I say I want to "go right"?
@@Speedsecrets1 1:15, any way sir, I would recommend adding some graphics in such topic, maybe am as prof driver completely understand what you are saying, but I follow the scenario in details, and another hint, probably better since most modern cars are all wheel drive, better to address the axle drive you are explaining, as front wheel, rear axle or all wheel drive, and if the driver is using traction control or not.
Thank you
@@mycomment6699 Wow. A "professional" driver who knows more than this _extremely_ experienced racer and instructor, but doesn't recognise opposite lock when it's demonstrated. The action shown at 1:15 is the most basic technique taught by every single driving instructor - if the rear steps out while turning, turn the wheel the other way. That means correcting oversteer on a left-hand corner by turning the wheel..... TO THE RIGHT!!!!! Thats how you catch a slide.
***we are talking about a rear-wheel-drive car, before you start complaining about that***