Got a 605 recently, most reviews were good, but some did mention discrepancies they experienced. I did not experience any of the issues stated by the multiple videos i came across, but i did also notice that mine didnt have a hammer lock, a different slimmer cylinder release and it also has a removable front sight. The videos mentioning the issues, had the old round cylinder release (like the one shown here), a hammer lock and a fixed front sight. That gen of 605s are probably prone to the issues and have probably been upgraded to the new releases now. Mine took everything, 38spc, +p, 357 like a champ. I also loaded the cylinder with just 1 cartridge to try and replicate one of the issues mentioned by someone on youtube, then 2 cartridges, then 3, and so on with zero issues. Cylinder operated flawlessly. I would recommend these newer 605s that are coming out, cause who knows maybe they'll be $400+ in the future. Good video!
I have a couple model 65's, the one made in the late 70's has beautiful bluing, the newer one just a black parkerized finish, they both shoot great though.
@@deltadragon2335 yes, the 85 in the video has the new bluing. I don’t know when the transition was but I bought mine in 14 and it was the old school blue. I was out of the firearm addiction scene from 15-18 or so, I’m assuming the later 85’s went to the chepo new matte black.
Any gun you purchase, there is a chance you get a dud. I have had a couple of misses with Taurus firearms, but nothing that would scare me off the brand. I've had 1000 dollar guns need to go back as well. Having done maintenance on factory equipment for many years, I know how something can get a hair out of alignment and not get caught by QC for a little while. I'd still wager that most people would get a cherry if they purchased a Taurus.
I must admit that I am a S&W and Colt kinda guy. Two years ago, I bought a Taurus 856UL Defender 3". My reason was that after cataract surgery in both eyes, I couldn't see the front sight on a 2" snub S&W. It turned out that the Taurus, with the 1" additional length was good for me. And I have no complaints. It's accurate. Reliable. And extremely smooth. I was a peace officer for ages, and a professional gunsmith, serving my PD as an armour as well. Having been inside my Taurus, I found the construction to be quite good. All that said, as you mentioned, any weapons manufacturer can have a lemon get past the QC and fail. But overall, personally, I really like the Taurus 856UL Defender I have. I carry it often, and have confidence in it. An interesting note: Yesterday, I was shooting with my nephew, and my old PD issue S&W mod 65-3 failed. The hammer nose firing pin bent upwards and caused it to lock up hard. So even a "quality " weapon can fail. I'll of course, replace the damaged parts, but it goes to show that any mechanical item can, and will fail.
I love my 2 inch UL and carry it frequently. I put orange tape on the front sight and my old eyes pick it up fine. My cataracts are still babies, won't need intervention for several more years. What's your opinion of the Wolf springs in this gun? I want to lighten it, just a little.
@@traumajock I've not used Wolfe spring kits in a Taurus, but have used some in 1911s. When I'm feeling lazy, I'll install Wilson Combat spring kits in S&W revolvers. They work well. Being an old school gunsmith, I usually trim existing coil springs, trim and polish flat springs, and polish all internal moving parts mirror bright. As to the use of spring kits, you are always left with the original springs to reinstall if the kit springs are of insufficient strength to perform reliably. Remember to drape a shop towel over your weapon when removing and installing coil springs. Coil springs have been known to pop out of the weapon and fly across the room, often becoming lost forever!
I have quite a few Taurus guns, and have not had any problems with them. I did have a 605 Snubby which I sold and replaced it with the 3" barrel. I did have the issue with the cylinder screw, but my gun smith took care of that problem,.No issues with it. Am currently waiting on a 327 to be delivered which I bought on gun broker over the weekend. We shall see how it runs once I get it in.
It was your coverage that persuaded me to seek out an 856 Executive Grade. Unaffiliated and honest reviews for gun content are really hard to find and I deeply appreciated yours. I snatched an 856EG for $380 and as someone who is a big fan of classic Smiths I think this couldn't be a better deal. Please keep doing what you're doing, I'm very appreciative of it!
You got a heck of a deal on that Executive Grade 856, and because it is a custom gun, should you have any issues, they'll be quick about rectifying it.
The most surprising Taurus I have is a model 82, 4 inch, police trade in from Brazil. That darn gun is a tack driver. It is right there with my model 10 Smith. I love that gun. I did replace the star ejector on that gun after I got it. It had issues right off the bat with that. Once replaced, no problems. The modern Taurus guns ARE better than the decades ago Taurus guns. I think overall quality is much improved now.
Had an 85 and a 94 purchased in the early 90’s. Had trouble with both. Timing issues on both. Purchased an 85 ultra lite in 2007 or 2008. Cylinder release screw worked its way loose and fell out, this locked up the cylinder. Ordered a replacement screw and have had no further problems. Good little snubbie.
A bit over 20 years ago, i was doing security for the FAA. We were issued old Seattle Police Department S&W Model 10 revolvers... mine was completely worn out and had its rifling shot out... I had a hard time qualifying due to it keyholing (I somehow did, though) but I couldn't get a replacement. Eventually, they took our Smiths and replaced them with Taurus revolvers and that was a significant step up. Today, I only own one Taurus, which is the Judge that I picked up within the last year. Its action is incredibly smooth and I've been fairly impressed with it. I've never had good experience with Smith revolvers, so I mostly go for Rugers, but I've been thinking that if the Judge has worked out for me, perhaps I ought to consider some other Tauruses. This video has me considering if the Judge is just a special case for Taurus or if I just got lucky with it
I found the Taurus Executive 856 I reviewed for Steve Pugmire a high quality gun. You pay more for it, but it is still less than the big three American revolver makers.
Nice collection there. My personal experience with Taurus revolvers is 0. Some, all positive, experience with Taurus semi-autos. I think an important takeaway from this and most of your videos is, if you have a gun get to know it, learn about it, practice with it, make sure it works for “you”.
Great video Greg i love my 856 And i agree every Manufacture has have hiccups and can get a lemon at times Happy Fathers day My friend God bless from Kentucky
The 605 Poly Protector,,Yes,it is JUNK!!!!My pre-covid 856 has been excellent,,it's a keeper.The Taurus QC has went way down hill since Covid.But like you told me a long while back,the QC at a lot of places has went downhill.You can't depend on a name brand anymore.I had a S&W 638 before covid,I really liked that little snubbie,but even after I sent it back to the factory,it came back at way less than 100%.It makes me think that we should go back to the bow and arrow days.
About 2 months ago I purchased a stainless 3 inch Taurus model 605 Defender and I've found it to be a solid, reliable and accurate little revolver. I have it loaded with Federal 154 grain HSTs and it's pulling nightstand duty in my bedroom. I also bought some Doubletap Snake Shot loads for the many venomous Cottonmouths and Copperheads we have down here in south Mississippi.
@@LionquestFitnessthis is the first Taurus handgun I've owned in 33 years. I'm sure it'll spend a lot of time in the woods with me as well. I plan on getting a Taurus Deputy in .45 Colt next. I love single action revolvers ❤
I haven't seen one yet, but here is the thing. According to people who know more than me, Massad Ayoob and others, a revolver should be double action for close quarter self defense. A revolver with a shrouded hammer comes out of concealment much better than one that doesn't. That is why I love my S&W 640.
@LionquestFitness I agree about it coming out of concealment better, but I still prefer to have an exposed hammer, but on the other hand I still might get the enclosed hammer just to have one! I preferably would consider open-carry, IWB has never felt comfortable with me!
Greg, I have several Taurus snubbing, including a poly protector, all a pre vid.. all function perfectly. I have a Rossi SS snubby that my wife took as her own.. never a problem. Some of the 4 inch barreled 6 shot .357s would have the ejector rod loosen up jamming the cylinder closed. A drop of loctite and all is good. Reverse treads.. . Nice video. And Greg get some Sun on those chicken legs they look like mine. Lol
I've been trying to get one off Ky Gun Co., but every time I get a notice they are already sold out. They are 22 ounces like the 856, so they must be sturdy. I am also curious as to the trigger action. Is it like Taurus or a stiff and break trigger like a Rossi.
@@LionquestFitness I haven't shot one yet, they're sold out everywhere right now. Most of the reviews on RUclips are positive, the only complaint is the factory grips make using a speed loader a little awkward, but that's an easy fix.
If you have a steel frame Taurus Model 85, you have the same hardware as the new Heritage Roscoe - it's just a gussied-up Model 85. I wish they would've done the Roscoe on an 856, but maybe that's something Taurus will do in the future as a tribute to the Colt Detective Special.
Thank you for the video. A new Taurus .22LR revolver I used to own a few years ago had two major problems: weak primer strikes and spent shells that were difficult to extract. Sent it back, worked okay for a short time but problems reoccured. Needed a small hammer and wood dowel to bang out the brass from cylinder. Using different ammo didn't solve problem. Definitely caused a case of buyer's remorse.
I had a house fire gad a taurus m44 44mag loaded with mag rounds. During the fire all the rds cooked off. The cylinder and fram bulged. But it didn't come apart or unlocked. That good steel in my opinion. I carry a taurus tracker most of tge time . Had tge gun cut down right to the ejector rd. Its had a steady diet of 180gr sjhp 44mag loads for nearly 20 years.
I would say that the 856 series is one of the best revolvers that they have made so far, they need to bring back the 445 in 44 special which was underrated in the original 2 inch and along with a new 3 inch version. They will tell you that the 445 didn't sell too well but that is because of their failure to properly advertise and promote the product.
I came across one in a local gun store a few years ago and passed it up due to the ammo shortage. You're the first person who has identified that gun for me.
Great video my friend you made an excellent point that most people tend to be ignorant of which is every manufacturer has QC issues big and small. I have sent many Taurus guns back to the factory for customers over the years and one thing I can attest to is even when they backed up with repairs they are fairly timely on getting it done and back to the customer
I hear a mixed bag with customer service. Sometimes timely and other times lengthy. LOL - if I hadn't have contacted Taurus/Rossi about the 63 I sent in, I'd probably still be waiting.
Enjoyed the video. I have two model 19 s and w revolvers go back cause they locked up. Both are fine guns, we’re out of tune due to hot hand loads I purchased at a gun show.
Bought 4 Taurus revolvers since late 80's. First 3 were good. Last one 327 was junk. Out of time and shaved lead. Sent it back. They paid postage. Sent me a new revolver. It's a good one. Only thing I was out was $30 for FFL for new gun.
Hi Greg, I appreciate your honest review . Have been thinking about getting s 856. Still doing my research. You are the first to ever mention pre and post covid made. Hope you have a great father's day Sir.🤠🇺🇲
I spent the day driving up to the highest point in SC, Sassafrass Mountain, with my youngest daughter and my youngest granddaughter. It was nice excursion. I hope yours went as well!
@@LionquestFitness that sounds like a great time your daughter and granddaughters. Mine was great also talked to my oldest daughter in Texas and my two granddaughters,my son here in East Tennessee,,but my grandson was with his stepmom at the store,and then spent some time with my oldest grandson out side in the yard.
I use to work at a gun counter years ago and heard customer horror stories about Taurus, so I have always avoided them. That being said, I purchased a brand new Ruger SP 101 in .357 magnum and found that while shooting it, it would sometimes stick and I had to reset the trigger. That left me with a live round in the cylinder that I had to pull the trigger until it fired. I contacted Ruger and mailed it back to them. They fixed it quickly and mailed it back. I was never able to decipher from the paperwork what had been the problem with it. It has shot great ever since. So, I agree that name brand firearms also have their lemons as well. With only five rounds, it better shoot every-time!😊
I entered law enforcement in 1980 and due to low funds at the time I purchased a few Taurus revolvers. The only problem I ever encountered was the cylinder release button screw stripping out. I didn't purchase another Taurus again until 2021 when I purchased a used Taurus tracker model 627 357 Magnum. It was manufactured in 2019 so I'm not sure if that's p r e covid or not I think it's probably right on the mark of when that pandemic started. So far I've had no problems with it. The first time I ever purchased you used because there really wasn't anything out there then so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I just recently purchased a Rossi RP63 And had to send it back to the factory it had a canted barrel by about 1 Millimeter. Which then caused the cylinder crane to not properly mate to the frame
Bom dia aqui do Brasil meu amigo americano. Com tantas dificuldades aqui para nosso povo ,e os brasileiros sempre reclamando da Taurus, é muito bom ver que seus revolveres são bem aceitos por muitos americanos , a honestidade do Sr em seu trabalho,seus vídeos, é o que esta em falta no mundo. Parabéns pelo trabalho, Deus abençoe sempre. 🙏🏻 🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲
@@marciocumpiancumpian2075É verdade. Eu gostaria de ainda ter o Taurus 80 ou talvez 82 com o barril de três polegadas que eu tinha no início dos anos oitenta. Era o gêmeo azul daquele S&W que eu mostrei.
@@LionquestFitness são relíquias, até mesmo aqui é difícil de encontrar. Tenho um amigo policial aposentado,que tem um 82 em três polegadas de cano,inox fosco. Não conheço mais ninguém que tenha esse modelo.
Previous owner of the 24/7 9mm auto. They didn't handle hot wolf ammo. Poly frame. Where the ejector was roll pinned into fame wallowed out. Pins would back out and jam slide. The reason we are communicating is the life time warranty sucks air. Taurus kept the gun for 6 months after second letter they returned it...with an epoxy slop job to kept the pins from backing out. Instead of a new lower. Plus they must have sent an out of true barrel , Or played with the sights...Prior to trip to Miami the gun shot true at 15 yds, 25 yds. After receiving it from warranty center in order to hit bulls eye at 15 yds POA had to be at 3:00 on edge of target frame. guess someone might have messed with?? ....my 3rd letter was never answered. Nope never again...there's too many guns at cheaper prices that are much more reliable with much better customer support. Bye, bye Taurus....
Well Greg, i would have to say, that i have noticed many quality problems, in post covid products. ( Not just water pistols 😊). It may be due to the change in workforces or quality control or restarting production etc.. Hopefully, as time goes buy quality will return.
I had 2 Taurus revolvers and 1 9mm baretta clone adjustable sights. They was all very accurate very reliable and I wish I'd kept every single one of them.
Taurus small frames last around 6/7 thousand shots without breaking. Overall they are good. The 82 are very well regarded here in Brazil. A Taurus snub that I recommend is the 817 38 spl (I don't know if it's available there, I think it's 357, with another name). Taurus sinned here in Brazil by trying to take advantage of the current government's disarmament policy, generating a restriction on calibers available, seeking monopoly of the Brazilian market. Hugs form Brazil
It has been awhile since the 817 has been available here. A lot of people in this country don't realize what a vast, international company Taurus is. They service many markets and what is sold abroad isn't necessarily sold here and visa versa.
I bought a used M85, and Opened it up because, It looked like It was never oiled,Very dry inside, anyway was very surprised to find that, the spring that was supposed to push the cylinder stop into the cylinder, was behind the hand, and the hand spring was in the yoke Stop plunger location, someone before had mis-assembled, This also pushes the hand crooked with higher, pressure. Smooth and positive action now..
I've owned several 85s, and utilized every one of them as backups to service revolvers and later semi auto pistols as well as off duty carry. I must be the luckiest old, tired, wore out, retired LEO still above ground in that every one of those little .38Spls worked like Swiss watches and never, ever, even once failed me on or off duty. They were all so dependable, well made and accurate that they got boring and I fell into the habit of trading them off for something else only to turn around and buy another one. The last one I owned was a stainless steel 85CH and I was talked out of it by a young officer just starting out in his career about the time I retired. I liked that revolver so much I wish I could find another just like it as the J frame S&W that I purchased several years ago is "gathering dust" in my gun vault due to its lackluster, fit, finish, poor trigger pull, and useless laser. I've has the same kind of excellent service out of Taurus semi-auto pistols too! By the way, the absolutely, worst, in every respect, semi-auto pistols I have ever owned came out of Smith & Wesson. One in particular comes to mind in that it had one of those "It took two strong men, and a healthy boy" heavy trigger pulls that simply defied improvement. Excellent video as usual! I'm already looking forward to the next one!
Thank you Furman! S&W! Whew! It is hard to criticize them, because many of the fanboys get their ire up. I have modern guns of theirs I liked and I have had guns of theirs I no longer have. I've owned four of their polymer pistols that are in the latter category if that tells you anything. I do collect older K and J frame revolvers and I have a couple of their AR's.
I have 3 Taurus 856’s, 2 Ultralights and a Defender. All have been reliable and accurate. I also have a 605 that has been a good shooter. I have Smiths and Rugers as well, and they are great but cost more than double what I paid for the comparable Taurus’. For the money, Taurus revolvers are well worth trying, from my experience.
Appreciate your straightforward talk and sharing your opinions on the Taurus revolvers as I have thought of picking up another .38 or .357 from them due to some frustration with S&W QC for the price. I have had light primer strikes ( might have been ammo related, but should be none) on a performance center over $1,000 .357 and rusting hammer on $800 .22 mag revolver which is not ok. Been making me look at paying more for older S&W or go to Ruger. Thanks, Greg.
Greg, i know you had a lot of problems with the new Rossi you purchased last year. It sounds like Taurus customer service was severely lacking, but at least they sent you a replacement. You indicated you might sell it. I'm pretty sure i would, too.
I did, but the deal breaker for me was the trigger. The new triggers are wide target style and become uncomfortable for me in dry fire. Too, Rossi triggers are stiff and then break.I prefer the S&W and Taurus triggers that stage and then break. So, after the trouble I'd had, and then dry firing the replacement, I decided to sell it without shooting it.
Well I must be fortunate. I have two Taurus revolvers - both purchased during covid actually - a black 605 and a stainless Tracker 44. They have both been great with no problems at all - the 605 shoots to point of aim. I have the stock rubber grips on the 605 (newer kind) and I switched my Tracker's out for a set of Hogue mono grips - haven't shot that yet... but hoping they will feel better with full power loads.
@@LionquestFitness Yes sir. And I can say that my Taurus G3, G3C and all of my Rossi R92's are all good too. But did have an old model 85 hammerless that went out of time... Taurus fixed it but it took a good while.
I have a Taurus 85 357 magnum from the 90's which is either nickel plated or polished stainless with factory wood grips, it's a very nice looking revolver . I haven't shot thousands of rounds through it but it has never failed to go bang . I trust it enough to carry it regularly.
I recently purchased an old nickel or chrome plated Taurus model 73 in .32 LONG at an estate sale in Columbus, MS. She was clean, tight, and even the barrel at the cylinder is virtually new. Only a few rust pits through the plating. Looks like it was stored in the truck or car. It was owned by a really old man. Serial # GG10892. I'm guessing she's from the early 70s. Sweet sweet sweet shooter.
I had great 85 no hammer (not exposed) used 2nd gun I carried, it shot great, kick my self for trading it. But I’ve bought a few other Taurus j frames and had some troubles, I mainly stick with S&w for snubs and they have been great except the 640 pro has sight that were off. Had lots of trouble with Ruger, I got 2 good sp101’s a 2” and a 4” and they shoot 357 great but I’ve had one with crooked barrel, and I’ve had S&w and tauras 3” with crooked barrels. Not I have tauras public defender in 410/45lc and shoots great. Also got a great 7 shot 357 with 6” barrel. I highly recommend buying revolvers in person, and buying good old S&w and Ruger but that new tauras executive 357/9mm might be a good one if price is right.
I recently purchased a new Taurus 942 Ultra Lite Revolver in 22LR. It was defective out of the box, would not ignite any primers. Sent it back to Taurus on Jan. 25, 2024. At the FOUR MONTH mark, and them having no idea when a new 22LR revolver would be ready ship to me,..they offered me a credit towards another Taurus handgun. I chose the TX22 because it seemed to have the least amount of problems of their product line. After a very long detailed discussion with customer service, they sent me an email confirming the TX22 be the replacement Received an email 2 weeks later that the 22 LR revolver was going to be shipped. Reached out to customer service AGAIN…oops they messed up. So the whole process will now start over. I sent my GX4 back twice by the way. I guess I don’t learn…crap is crap. That’s what they mean by “lifetime” warranty.
I own both a model 65 and a 605, both of them are post covid....I've had no problems with either one...thus far. You say you'd have a hard time recommending a Taurus at this time??? Maybe I missed something?
Yes I do. I base this on a 65 with a faulty cylinder lockup, an 856 with a faulty cylinder lockup, and a new Rossi RP63 that completely locked down. I experienced all these guns in succession. Now that is just me. With other reports from various consumers it makes it hard for me to recommend Taurus as a brand.
With Taurus you get some cherries and a few lemons. I've currently own 4 all steel Taurus snubs that are cherries. Two have been with me for over six years and have had 100's of rounds shot from them.
I have had 2 Taurus revolvers. A model 44-3. A 44 mag with a 3 inch barrel. I loved that gun. Carried it often. But then I got arthritis and I sold it. I have had a model 850, ( think S&W 642) for many, many years. I have put well over 10,000 rounds through it. Not a single issue. And I have dry fired it with snap caps countless times. I did replace the trigger return spring to lighten the trigger pull. I just love this revolver. Would I trade it for a S&W 642? Absolutely. But that's not going to happen. I would buy another Taurus revolver. But I would check it thoroughly before purchasing.
I’m s&w , ruger revolver guy, but and I mean but I’ve bought a few Taurus 85 and 856 and 605 and I’ve had nothing but good luck with them,, and you are spot on about the accuracy they are dandy little shooters,
Seems in my experience that Taurus revolvers are of better quality than their semi auto handguns . But I know many have great luck and experience with those as well. Hit or miss. I bought a mid size 44 mag in black from my local shop, that was a replacement for a stainless in same model and caliber that the dealer had found to have found to have a issue before it was sold. I have had great service and have shot some stout loads through it with decent accuracy. No issues. It has been good handguns so far and has the new rubber style grips and also has a good tight cylinder gap. Was it cause it was a replacement gun so it was picked to be a extra good peace ???
My 85 has been back to Taurus 4 times. It still won’t work right. I have 2 model 94. On both I had to smack open the cylinder with a rawhide mallet. After 500 rounds or so they work fine. On the other hand, my G2C is amazing . For me the cost doesn’t really matter. I like it better than the similar Sig, Glock . The 9mm Star MB is the only one I enjoy shooting more than the G2C. I feel like you, I would not recommend buying a revolver, but I could see buying one myself sometime.
@@DouglasStudzinskideSouza Mine is amazing, they deserve the excellent reputation. I wish I knew more about owning firearms in Brazil. Can you get stuff that is unavailable in the USA
A buddy of mine who has all the expensive firearms and accessories recently bought a G3C and liked it so much he bought another for his daughter. Because the G series is being manufactured in Bainbridge Georgia it would seem the QC has been better as well as having people stateside who can work on them if they need repair. I was going to talk about my experience with the G series and the TX-22 and how Taurus had improved their pistol lines in recent years, but the video became too long.
@@scotthanson7888 About ownership: There are two categories. Possession (you can currently have two weapons in 38spl, 380 ACP and the brand new 38 TCP (A 9mm shortened by 1mm, a Taurus gambiarra, launched this week) 12 GA and 22lr, or in calibers lower than those mentioned, but less common. Also There is the CAC modality, where you register as a sports shooter (IPSC, etc.), hunter (Boar) or collector. In this category you can have more weapons, but it is a bureaucratic and time-consuming system. more progressive, the pressure on the sector worsens.
I have a pre-covid 605 and it has been great. I had wanted to get the 856 but because of the many problems I have seen reported with them, I did not purchase it. I bought the Kimber K6xs 6 shot 38 special instead and just had to send that back to Kimber after only 150 rounds fired through it with a problem I was having with it. So like you said, the quality control problem is with all manufacturers nowadays.
I have a 617m high polished stainless. I bought it in 96. I did buy some nice wooden grips from Thailand, and dumped the small rubber grip. It's in my carry rotation. It's performed flawlessly since day 1.
Hey Greg, I hope you had a very blessed Father's Day. As you know, I own a Taurus 856 Ultra Lite in my carry rotation. I like it a lot, but just can't seem to fall in love with it like my Charter Arms Undercover and Police Undercover, or my Rock Island Armory m 206. Any chance of you doing a comparison of those guns vs a Taurus 86 or 856?
Thank you very much for this interesting video. It seems that the quality of products made by taurus is not constant, but so is the quality of most revolvers produced totay. Their afforable price make them attractive for quite a lot of people.
And that's a plus. The price has enabled me to experiment with many different platforms without spending a lot of money. If I don't like it, they're easy to sell.
I have a very rare Taurus Tracker in .45 long Colt. I don't think they made them for a year at best. I called Taurus because I wanted a 2" barrel to go along with 4" Tracker. They said they don't make that caliber any longer. I've had that Taurus for about 15 yrs maybe, trouble free. It's a 5 shooter & I just love it, cuz it's the American caliber & it's very accurate. I have never seen another one in .45 Colt since.
The revolver I shoot best is a Model 10 square butt snub that was a service gun. Taurus has interested me but I’ll pass based on your review. Take care Greg.
Take care of that Joe Friday special. I might have bring that one out soon in honor of you and the many officers who did their job and paved the way for the rest of in the sixties and seventies.
Ive had some good luck with Taurus, had 2 recall guns but they shot well so I just kept them , odd issue with safety only happens if deliberately overide
Taurus has really come a long way in terms of quality control with their revolvers. S&W and Ruger are a tad pricey right now, a small frame revolver that's $200.00 or so less is pretty good, especially when you get 6 shots as opposed to 5. I got an 856 Ultra Lite Black for $415.00 8 months ago, I put a Houge Grip on it. I haven't shot or carried it yet, but I do like it and feel confident with it.
not just post covid. I was at a gun shop in 2010 they had 5 taurus snubs in the case and 3 of the 5 the cylinders would free wheel. I pointed it out to the owner and he pulled them and sent them back
I purchased a S&W Model 642 Pro Series, and then a no-lock 642, while at the same time a Taurus Model 856 Ultra-Lite followed me home. (The 856 is what replaced the earlier Model 85, but with the cylinder diameter increased by 0.050" to accommodate 6 rounds of .38 Special +P vs. the 5 round capacity of the Model 85) The 856 had much better fit, finish and function than either of the two S&W 642s - so much better I bought a Taurus 856 Executive Grade. All I can say about the Executive Grade 856 is WOW! S&W should buy a few Executive Grades so they can learn how to manufacture nice guns again!
My first Taurus was a lemon. Kept me away from the brand for a while. A very nice 617 brought me around. But I wouldn’t order one. I would have to inspect it first 😊
1st revolver, tracker 357, lot of cylinder movement. It was within spec but literally the extremity. Looking down the bore at the chamber alignment, just barely didnt cross the edge of the forcing cone 🌘 I think it may be an older production but im skeptical now. My problem aint that my expectations are too high, its that Charter Arms and EAA are in the same price range & dont have these issues. They have lemons too as you said, but its other things that are not catastrophic to the function like front sights falling out and other things.
glad mine are all pre covid. they just work and shoot well for me. some dont like the recoil of the 617 but for me its no problem, now for backpacking i would carry 357 loads but for ccw it would be 38 plue p's/
I've had good experiences with the Taurus 85 in the past, both old and new models, but now the only Taurus small-frame revolver I have is my Taurus 327; and I trust it. Basic steel frame Taurus snub, but in .32 which really enhances the gun's shootability. I have shot warm 85gr and 100gr .327 Federal Magnum out of it, but mostly .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Magnum. Haven't noticed the yoke assembly screw backing out yet; but I have been keeping an eye on it. My experience, if the screw turns when you lightly turn the screwdriver, it's starting to back out. All that being said, I wouldn't necessarily recommend Taurus. I bought the 327 because it was the most affordable and available option into getting into .32. Even now, the new UC J-Frames in .32 H&R are still expensive and hard to come by; plus, I've heard of quite a few buyers having QC issues with theirs.
@@la_old_salt2241 True, but as far as I am aware, they do not make any models in .327 Federal Magnum. Also, I have no experience with them, so I do not know what their QC is like.
The 90´s Taurus had the best finishing and quality control, very similar to the rossi´s. They are more resistant to rust and the overall quality was better too, but i put my hands on some 90´s revolvers with original springs and their triggers were heavy as hell, the modern ones have a much better smooth trigger.
I just traded my only Taurus, a 605, steel frame, in on a S&W 642. It had nothing to do with quality. The Taurus had been a good gun snd shot to point of aim. I sold it because the most comfortable grip for me is the Pachmayr Compac grips for the j-frame sized revolvers. The standard rubber grips that come on the Taurus are really good but they don't make Compac grips for Taurus. It just kept bugging me that my Smiths just feel better in hand. I'm eyeballing my Rugers and frankly they look a little nervous.
LOL - I don't blame you. I just invested in an old, beat up Chief Special that is in good mechanical condition. The further along I go in my concealed carry journey the more the J frame Smiths appeal to me for ease of carry and efficiency. It was between the old 36 or a new 442. Knowing the quality of 60's Smiths I opted for a gun sixty years old.
Nice acquisition! The old Chief vrs. a new 442 was a "no brainer". Let us know when you get a name for the 36. I don't name my guns but I enjoy finding out what you name yours.
@@johnelder4273 It's nickel plated, so I'll call it Rosie to go with Karlita, which I don't carry because of how good a shape it is in. But, I bought Rosie to carry.
That's a good question. I'm not real big on S&W these days as far as revolvers, although I have some current production Smiths I like and carry. As far as quality at an upper mid range price, Rugers are a good bet with a solid reputation for customer service.
I own two early model Taurus both purchased in the mid 80's one is a model 85 airweight and the other is a model 441 .44 special, and they are GREAT. I purchased a Taurus Tracker .44 mag about 6 years ago and it was a piece of JUNK. Out of time and spit lead all the time. I sent it to Taurus to get fixed. When I got it back in 7 weeks it was no better. I sold it and will not buy another Taurus.
When you send a revolver back to Taurus it goes to Bainbridge Ga. where they make the G series of semi-autos. They don't seem to do well repairing revolvers.
I have had a PT92, two 85s, an 856, and a G2c. No problem with any of them. The PT92 was better than a Beretta 92 I later had both the accuracy and trigger. The G2c will eat any ammo I feed it and its accurate. Had one nickel and one stainless model 85 and they were accurate with fairly good triggers. My 856 three inch is new and still needs rounds through it to give it a good shake down. If Taurus guns were junk they would not be selling so many and the number sold far exceeds the returns. If the gun has a problem that is why there is a warranty but prospective buyers have a responsibility to check the gun over for problems before buying new or used. We inspect a car before buying and a gun should be no different. The Taurus of today is not the Taurus of the past. New management and CEO has turned Taurus USA around. Former Walther employees. To not give Taurus a recommendation you might as well steer folks clear of Smith and Ruger and FN and so on also. Just don't buy a gun and you won't have any problems.
BTW - There was a G2C and a TX-22 on the rail. I was also going to talk about the successful G series and the PT92 which I have had good luck with, but the video was going to go too long, so I stuck to Taurus revolvers.
@@LionquestFitness "That last line is a hoot." Well that is the way life is. If you are going to own a car and a house you are going to have problems eventually. Same for guns or anything else. We can choose not to buy anything because we are afraid of having problems but we are not doing ourselves any favors by depriving ourselves because we are paranoid.
I have a particular fondness for Taurus revolvers, but the OLDER versions. The modern versions, as exhibited in this video with the "modular" for lake of a better barrel, I don't care for. Since Taurus started that version, I hear more problems, so much so that my favorite had to stop being a repair facility for them due to the volume of complaints. However, I have six of the older model 85s and a 94. Of these, most of them I got used, and I only had a problem with one of them which was fixed FREE with a trip back to Taurus.
There is one major problem that Taurus has with their 605 model. Bullet shavings could pepper your face and even draw blood. I've experienced this and I've also viewed people demonstrating this happening
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Got a 605 recently, most reviews were good, but some did mention discrepancies they experienced. I did not experience any of the issues stated by the multiple videos i came across, but i did also notice that mine didnt have a hammer lock, a different slimmer cylinder release and it also has a removable front sight. The videos mentioning the issues, had the old round cylinder release (like the one shown here), a hammer lock and a fixed front sight. That gen of 605s are probably prone to the issues and have probably been upgraded to the new releases now. Mine took everything, 38spc, +p, 357 like a champ. I also loaded the cylinder with just 1 cartridge to try and replicate one of the issues mentioned by someone on youtube, then 2 cartridges, then 3, and so on with zero issues. Cylinder operated flawlessly. I would recommend these newer 605s that are coming out, cause who knows maybe they'll be $400+ in the future. Good video!
Good report. Thank you for sharing.
The one thing I really miss, the bluing on the 85’s pre 856. It was a deep rich bluing.
Get the Heritage Roscoe, aka a Taurus 85 without the the full lug
No the old bluing has been longer than that I had a model 85 with the new bluing on it before the 856 came out
I have a couple model 65's, the one made in the late 70's has beautiful bluing, the newer one just a black parkerized finish, they both shoot great though.
Yup. I have one.
@@deltadragon2335 yes, the 85 in the video has the new bluing. I don’t know when the transition was but I bought mine in 14 and it was the old school blue. I was out of the firearm addiction scene from 15-18 or so, I’m assuming the later 85’s went to the chepo new matte black.
Any gun you purchase, there is a chance you get a dud. I have had a couple of misses with Taurus firearms, but nothing that would scare me off the brand. I've had 1000 dollar guns need to go back as well. Having done maintenance on factory equipment for many years, I know how something can get a hair out of alignment and not get caught by QC for a little while. I'd still wager that most people would get a cherry if they purchased a Taurus.
I must admit that I am a S&W and Colt kinda guy. Two years ago, I bought a Taurus 856UL Defender 3". My reason was that after cataract surgery in both eyes, I couldn't see the front sight on a 2" snub S&W. It turned out that the Taurus, with the 1" additional length was good for me. And I have no complaints. It's accurate. Reliable. And extremely smooth. I was a peace officer for ages, and a professional gunsmith, serving my PD as an armour as well. Having been inside my Taurus, I found the construction to be quite good.
All that said, as you mentioned, any weapons manufacturer can have a lemon get past the QC and fail. But overall, personally, I really like the Taurus 856UL Defender I have. I carry it often, and have confidence in it.
An interesting note: Yesterday, I was shooting with my nephew, and my old PD issue S&W mod 65-3 failed. The hammer nose firing pin bent upwards and caused it to lock up hard. So even a "quality " weapon can fail. I'll of course, replace the damaged parts, but it goes to show that any mechanical item can, and will fail.
Thank you for sharing.
I love my 2 inch UL and carry it frequently. I put orange tape on the front sight and my old eyes pick it up fine. My cataracts are still babies, won't need intervention for several more years. What's your opinion of the Wolf springs in this gun? I want to lighten it, just a little.
@@traumajock I've not used Wolfe spring kits in a Taurus, but have used some in 1911s. When I'm feeling lazy, I'll install Wilson Combat spring kits in S&W revolvers. They work well. Being an old school gunsmith, I usually trim existing coil springs, trim and polish flat springs, and polish all internal moving parts mirror bright.
As to the use of spring kits, you are always left with the original springs to reinstall if the kit springs are of insufficient strength to perform reliably.
Remember to drape a shop towel over your weapon when removing and installing coil springs. Coil springs have been known to pop out of the weapon and fly across the room, often becoming lost forever!
@@traumajock I tend to leave my guns stock, except for the grips. In time, the triggers smooth out some.
Volume is a little low
Had my 856 for a couple of years now. It shoots as well as my Smiths and Kimbers. Will see how it holds up over time.
I have quite a few Taurus guns, and have not had any problems with them. I did have a 605 Snubby which I sold and replaced it with the 3" barrel. I did have the issue with the cylinder screw, but my gun smith took care of that problem,.No issues with it. Am currently waiting on a 327 to be delivered which I bought on gun broker over the weekend. We shall see how it runs once I get it in.
It was your coverage that persuaded me to seek out an 856 Executive Grade. Unaffiliated and honest reviews for gun content are really hard to find and I deeply appreciated yours. I snatched an 856EG for $380 and as someone who is a big fan of classic Smiths I think this couldn't be a better deal. Please keep doing what you're doing, I'm very appreciative of it!
You got a heck of a deal on that Executive Grade 856, and because it is a custom gun, should you have any issues, they'll be quick about rectifying it.
Picked up an 856 last week, love it and it scared off all those dirty rapscallions.
Thanks for your honesty and objective opinion Lefty, very much appreciated
The most surprising Taurus I have is a model 82, 4 inch, police trade in from Brazil. That darn gun is a tack driver. It is right there with my model 10 Smith. I love that gun. I did replace the star ejector on that gun after I got it. It had issues right off the bat with that. Once replaced, no problems. The modern Taurus guns ARE better than the decades ago Taurus guns. I think overall quality is much improved now.
“They just don’t make them like they used to,” definitely applies here.
Had an 85 and a 94 purchased in the early 90’s. Had trouble with both. Timing issues on both. Purchased an 85 ultra lite in 2007 or 2008. Cylinder release screw worked its way loose and fell out, this locked up the cylinder. Ordered a replacement screw and have had no further problems. Good little snubbie.
A bit over 20 years ago, i was doing security for the FAA. We were issued old Seattle Police Department S&W Model 10 revolvers... mine was completely worn out and had its rifling shot out... I had a hard time qualifying due to it keyholing (I somehow did, though) but I couldn't get a replacement. Eventually, they took our Smiths and replaced them with Taurus revolvers and that was a significant step up.
Today, I only own one Taurus, which is the Judge that I picked up within the last year. Its action is incredibly smooth and I've been fairly impressed with it. I've never had good experience with Smith revolvers, so I mostly go for Rugers, but I've been thinking that if the Judge has worked out for me, perhaps I ought to consider some other Tauruses. This video has me considering if the Judge is just a special case for Taurus or if I just got lucky with it
I found the Taurus Executive 856 I reviewed for Steve Pugmire a high quality gun. You pay more for it, but it is still less than the big three American revolver makers.
Nice collection there. My personal experience with Taurus revolvers is 0. Some, all positive, experience with Taurus semi-autos. I think an important takeaway from this and most of your videos is, if you have a gun get to know it, learn about it, practice with it, make sure it works for “you”.
Great video Greg i love my 856 And i agree every Manufacture has have hiccups and can get a lemon at times Happy Fathers day My friend God bless from Kentucky
I got a 605 357 taurus it's hell of good
Great video as usual Greg!!! Thank you!
The 605 Poly Protector,,Yes,it is JUNK!!!!My pre-covid 856 has been excellent,,it's a keeper.The Taurus QC has went way down hill since Covid.But like you told me a long while back,the QC at a lot of places has went downhill.You can't depend on a name brand anymore.I had a S&W 638 before covid,I really liked that little snubbie,but even after I sent it back to the factory,it came back at way less than 100%.It makes me think that we should go back to the bow and arrow days.
LOL - I just bought my four year old granddaughter a toy bow and arrow set today. She has had a blast with it.
@@LionquestFitness I'm sure she had better luck with it than I did with my 942UL,,lol
About 2 months ago I purchased a stainless 3 inch Taurus model 605 Defender and I've found it to be a solid, reliable and accurate little revolver. I have it loaded with Federal 154 grain HSTs and it's pulling nightstand duty in my bedroom. I also bought some Doubletap Snake Shot loads for the many venomous Cottonmouths and Copperheads we have down here in south Mississippi.
@@MarkBlakeney-t1r My 2 inch 605 is one of my favorite and often serves as my woods gun.
@@LionquestFitnessthis is the first Taurus handgun I've owned in 33 years. I'm sure it'll spend a lot of time in the woods with me as well. I plan on getting a Taurus Deputy in .45 Colt next. I love single action revolvers ❤
I have a pre-covid Model 605 and love it, now I'm thinking of possibly getting the new model 650 with enclosed hammer!
I haven't seen one yet, but here is the thing. According to people who know more than me, Massad Ayoob and others, a revolver should be double action for close quarter self defense. A revolver with a shrouded hammer comes out of concealment much better than one that doesn't. That is why I love my S&W 640.
@LionquestFitness I agree about it coming out of concealment better, but I still prefer to have an exposed hammer, but on the other hand I still might get the enclosed hammer just to have one!
I preferably would consider open-carry, IWB has never felt comfortable with me!
Greg, I have several Taurus snubbing, including a poly protector, all a pre vid.. all function perfectly. I have a Rossi SS snubby that my wife took as her own.. never a problem.
Some of the 4 inch barreled 6 shot .357s would have the ejector rod loosen up jamming the cylinder closed. A drop of loctite and all is good. Reverse treads.. .
Nice video. And Greg get some Sun on those chicken legs they look like mine. Lol
The new Heritage (owned by Taurus) "Roscoe" revolvers are really nice. I definitely don't need a new revolver, but I might pick one up.
I've been trying to get one off Ky Gun Co., but every time I get a notice they are already sold out. They are 22 ounces like the 856, so they must be sturdy. I am also curious as to the trigger action. Is it like Taurus or a stiff and break trigger like a Rossi.
Interested in your review of Roscoe. Three inch barrel with classic styling
@@LionquestFitness I haven't shot one yet, they're sold out everywhere right now. Most of the reviews on RUclips are positive, the only complaint is the factory grips make using a speed loader a little awkward, but that's an easy fix.
If you have a steel frame Taurus Model 85, you have the same hardware as the new Heritage Roscoe - it's just a gussied-up Model 85. I wish they would've done the Roscoe on an 856, but maybe that's something Taurus will do in the future as a tribute to the Colt Detective Special.
Thank you for the video. A new Taurus .22LR revolver I used to own a few years ago had two major problems: weak primer strikes and spent shells that were difficult to extract. Sent it back, worked okay for a short time but problems reoccured. Needed a small hammer and wood dowel to bang out the brass from cylinder. Using different ammo didn't solve problem. Definitely caused a case of buyer's remorse.
That's too bad. Poor quality in a firearm is like a sinking ship; it never rises back up.
I had a house fire gad a taurus m44 44mag loaded with mag rounds. During the fire all the rds cooked off.
The cylinder and fram bulged. But it didn't come apart or unlocked. That good steel in my opinion.
I carry a taurus tracker most of tge time . Had tge gun cut down right to the ejector rd. Its had a steady diet of 180gr sjhp 44mag loads for nearly 20 years.
I have never seen anybody as cruel and mean to their man targets as you Greg ! You is ruthless !! You, you big meanie !!
@@larkinoo LOL
Greg, I look forward to your Sunday morning videos like I used to for Mr. Holster.
That's high praise coming from you. Thank you.
I would say that the 856 series is one of the best revolvers that they have made so far, they need to bring back the 445 in 44 special which was underrated in the original 2 inch and along with a new 3 inch version. They will tell you that the 445 didn't sell too well but that is because of their failure to properly advertise and promote the product.
I came across one in a local gun store a few years ago and passed it up due to the ammo shortage. You're the first person who has identified that gun for me.
Great video my friend you made an excellent point that most people tend to be ignorant of which is every manufacturer has QC issues big and small. I have sent many Taurus guns back to the factory for customers over the years and one thing I can attest to is even when they backed up with repairs they are fairly timely on getting it done and back to the customer
I hear a mixed bag with customer service. Sometimes timely and other times lengthy. LOL - if I hadn't have contacted Taurus/Rossi about the 63 I sent in, I'd probably still be waiting.
For real, unless your gun blows up in your hand and hurts you, a budget gun failing is nothing to cry about.
Enjoyed the video. I have two model 19 s and w revolvers go back cause they locked up. Both are fine guns, we’re out of tune due to hot hand loads I purchased at a gun show.
"You bought a budget gun." LOL!
I was channeling William Shatner.
Bought 4 Taurus revolvers since late 80's. First 3 were good. Last one 327 was junk. Out of time and shaved lead. Sent it back. They paid postage. Sent me a new revolver. It's a good one. Only thing I was out was $30 for FFL for new gun.
Hi Greg, I appreciate your honest review . Have been thinking about getting s 856. Still doing my research. You are the first to ever mention pre and post covid made. Hope you have a great father's day Sir.🤠🇺🇲
I spent the day driving up to the highest point in SC, Sassafrass Mountain, with my youngest daughter and my youngest granddaughter. It was nice excursion. I hope yours went as well!
@@LionquestFitness that sounds like a great time your daughter and granddaughters. Mine was great also talked to my oldest daughter in Texas and my two granddaughters,my son here in East Tennessee,,but my grandson was with his stepmom at the store,and then spent some time with my oldest grandson out side in the yard.
I use to work at a gun counter years ago and heard customer horror stories about Taurus, so I have always avoided them. That being said, I purchased a brand new Ruger SP 101 in .357 magnum and found that while shooting it, it would sometimes stick and I had to reset the trigger. That left me with a live round in the cylinder that I had to pull the trigger until it fired. I contacted Ruger and mailed it back to them. They fixed it quickly and mailed it back. I was never able to decipher from the paperwork what had been the problem with it. It has shot great ever since. So, I agree that name brand firearms also have their lemons as well. With only five rounds, it better shoot every-time!😊
Both of my Taurus 856 were made in the last two years and both are great!
That is good to hear!
I entered law enforcement in 1980 and due to low funds at the time I purchased a few Taurus revolvers. The only problem I ever encountered was the cylinder release button screw stripping out. I didn't purchase another Taurus again until 2021 when I purchased a used Taurus tracker model 627 357 Magnum. It was manufactured in 2019 so I'm not sure if that's p r e covid or not I think it's probably right on the mark of when that pandemic started. So far I've had no problems with it. The first time I ever purchased you used because there really wasn't anything out there then so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I’ve got a 85, 942 and 942m, no issues with any of them..
I just recently purchased a Rossi RP63 And had to send it back to the factory it had a canted barrel by about 1 Millimeter. Which then caused the cylinder crane to not properly mate to the frame
Have they told you yet how they are going to resolve your problem?
@@LionquestFitness no just sent it in Saturday. No hopefully I’ll have it back in 6 to 8 weeks.
@@Mowkade Be the squeaky wheel.
Bom dia aqui do Brasil meu amigo americano. Com tantas dificuldades aqui para nosso povo ,e os brasileiros sempre reclamando da Taurus, é muito bom ver que seus revolveres são bem aceitos por muitos americanos , a honestidade do Sr em seu trabalho,seus vídeos, é o que esta em falta no mundo. Parabéns pelo trabalho, Deus abençoe sempre. 🙏🏻 🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲
Obrigado meu amigo!
@@LionquestFitness quem ama revolver está sempre aqui
@@marciocumpiancumpian2075É verdade. Eu gostaria de ainda ter o Taurus 80 ou talvez 82 com o barril de três polegadas que eu tinha no início dos anos oitenta. Era o gêmeo azul daquele S&W que eu mostrei.
@@LionquestFitness são relíquias, até mesmo aqui é difícil de encontrar. Tenho um amigo policial aposentado,que tem um 82 em três polegadas de cano,inox fosco. Não conheço mais ninguém que tenha esse modelo.
Sage and common sense advice as usual. Scratched my head & wondered about those "poly-protectors" when they came out.
A revolver with a polymer frame just doesn't hold up, although a lot of people like the Ruger LCR.
@@LionquestFitness YUP......Gaston's children are as far as I go with polymer sidearms !
@@cleondubois1270 BTW - I finally came up with a name for my Glock 19. He's Kirk, my CZ P07 is Spock, and my Taurus G2C is Checkov 🥺.
@@LionquestFitness LOL...Just don't name any of them after "Klingons" ! When I was in school back then, the kids had a field day with my name.
@@cleondubois1270 Too bad the Next Generation wasn't around then. A lot of millennials are fans of Klingon Starfleet Officer Worf.
Own 2 Taurus revolvers. One 605 is parkerized and one is blued. Love the blued.
Previous owner of the 24/7 9mm auto. They didn't handle hot wolf ammo. Poly frame. Where the ejector was roll pinned into fame wallowed out. Pins would back out and jam slide. The reason we are communicating is the life time warranty sucks air. Taurus kept the gun for 6 months after second letter they returned it...with an epoxy slop job to kept the pins from backing out. Instead of a new lower. Plus they must have sent an out of true barrel , Or played with the sights...Prior to trip to Miami the gun shot true at 15 yds, 25 yds. After receiving it from warranty center in order to hit bulls eye at 15 yds POA had to be at 3:00 on edge of target frame. guess someone might have messed with?? ....my 3rd letter was never answered. Nope never again...there's too many guns at cheaper prices that are much more reliable with much better customer support.
Bye, bye Taurus....
Good morning Greg good honest review thank you sir👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks Al!
Very helpful! Thanks! Given that all major revolver manufacturers are having QC issues I chose Ruger because their customer service is outstanding!
And that is very true.
Well Greg, i would have to say, that i have noticed many quality problems, in post covid products.
( Not just water pistols 😊).
It may be due to the change in workforces or quality control or restarting production etc..
Hopefully, as time goes buy quality will return.
I had 2 Taurus revolvers and 1 9mm baretta clone adjustable sights. They was all very accurate very reliable and I wish I'd kept every single one of them.
Another good review, thanks Greg. Yuma, Arizona.
Are you planning on testing the new heritage roscoe revolver? It’s budget and looks interesting. Would be curious to see your opinion.
Trying to get hold of one is the trick right now.
Taurus small frames last around 6/7 thousand shots without breaking. Overall they are good. The 82 are very well regarded here in Brazil. A Taurus snub that I recommend is the 817 38 spl (I don't know if it's available there, I think it's 357, with another name). Taurus sinned here in Brazil by trying to take advantage of the current government's disarmament policy, generating a restriction on calibers available, seeking monopoly of the Brazilian market. Hugs form Brazil
It has been awhile since the 817 has been available here. A lot of people in this country don't realize what a vast, international company Taurus is. They service many markets and what is sold abroad isn't necessarily sold here and visa versa.
I bought a used M85, and Opened it up because, It looked like It was never oiled,Very dry inside, anyway was very surprised to find that, the spring that was supposed to push the cylinder stop into the cylinder, was behind the hand, and the hand spring was in the yoke Stop plunger location, someone before had mis-assembled, This also pushes the hand crooked with higher, pressure. Smooth and positive action now..
I've owned several 85s, and utilized every one of them as backups to service revolvers and later semi auto pistols as well as off duty carry. I must be the luckiest old, tired, wore out, retired LEO still above ground in that every one of those little .38Spls worked like Swiss watches and never, ever, even once failed me on or off duty. They were all so dependable, well made and accurate that they got boring and I fell into the habit of trading them off for something else only to turn around and buy another one. The last one I owned was a stainless steel 85CH and I was talked out of it by a young officer just starting out in his career about the time I retired. I liked that revolver so much I wish I could find another just like it as the J frame S&W that I purchased several years ago is "gathering dust" in my gun vault due to its lackluster, fit, finish, poor trigger pull, and useless laser. I've has the same kind of excellent service out of Taurus semi-auto pistols too! By the way, the absolutely, worst, in every respect, semi-auto pistols I have ever owned came out of Smith & Wesson. One in particular comes to mind in that it had one of those "It took two strong men, and a healthy boy" heavy trigger pulls that simply defied improvement. Excellent video as usual! I'm already looking forward to the next one!
Thank you Furman! S&W! Whew! It is hard to criticize them, because many of the fanboys get their ire up. I have modern guns of theirs I liked and I have had guns of theirs I no longer have. I've owned four of their polymer pistols that are in the latter category if that tells you anything. I do collect older K and J frame revolvers and I have a couple of their AR's.
I have 3 Taurus 856’s, 2 Ultralights and a Defender. All have been reliable and accurate. I also have a 605 that has been a good shooter. I have Smiths and Rugers as well, and they are great but cost more than double what I paid for the comparable Taurus’. For the money, Taurus revolvers are well worth trying, from my experience.
That's been my philosophy.
Appreciate your straightforward talk and sharing your opinions on the Taurus revolvers as I have thought of picking up another .38 or .357 from them due to some frustration with S&W QC for the price. I have had light primer strikes ( might have been ammo related, but should be none) on a performance center over $1,000 .357 and rusting hammer on $800 .22 mag revolver which is not ok. Been making me look at paying more for older S&W or go to Ruger. Thanks, Greg.
Greg, i know you had a lot of problems with the new Rossi you purchased last year. It sounds like Taurus customer service was severely lacking, but at least they sent you a replacement. You indicated you might sell it. I'm pretty sure i would, too.
I did, but the deal breaker for me was the trigger. The new triggers are wide target style and become uncomfortable for me in dry fire. Too, Rossi triggers are stiff and then break.I prefer the S&W and Taurus triggers that stage and then break. So, after the trouble I'd had, and then dry firing the replacement, I decided to sell it without shooting it.
@LionquestFitness all the more money for the Grambo Academy of Refined Gentlemen.
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Well I must be fortunate. I have two Taurus revolvers - both purchased during covid actually - a black 605 and a stainless Tracker 44. They have both been great with no problems at all - the 605 shoots to point of aim. I have the stock rubber grips on the 605 (newer kind) and I switched my Tracker's out for a set of Hogue mono grips - haven't shot that yet... but hoping they will feel better with full power loads.
I'm sure they will. Sounds like you pulled Cherries!
@@LionquestFitness Yes sir. And I can say that my Taurus G3, G3C and all of my Rossi R92's are all good too. But did have an old model 85 hammerless that went out of time... Taurus fixed it but it took a good while.
Good morning Greg. Have a good week
Hey man, you do the same!
I have a Taurus 85 357 magnum from the 90's which is either nickel plated or polished stainless with factory wood grips, it's a very nice looking revolver . I haven't shot thousands of rounds through it but it has never failed to go bang . I trust it enough to carry it regularly.
Very interesting and honest opinion, there at the end.
Thank you.
I recently purchased an old nickel or chrome plated Taurus model 73 in .32 LONG at an estate sale in Columbus, MS. She was clean, tight, and even the barrel at the cylinder is virtually new. Only a few rust pits through the plating. Looks like it was stored in the truck or car. It was owned by a really old man. Serial # GG10892. I'm guessing she's from the early 70s. Sweet sweet sweet shooter.
What a cool find!
I had great 85 no hammer (not exposed) used 2nd gun I carried, it shot great, kick my self for trading it. But I’ve bought a few other Taurus j frames and had some troubles, I mainly stick with S&w for snubs and they have been great except the 640 pro has sight that were off. Had lots of trouble with Ruger, I got 2 good sp101’s a 2” and a 4” and they shoot 357 great but I’ve had one with crooked barrel, and I’ve had S&w and tauras 3” with crooked barrels. Not I have tauras public defender in 410/45lc and shoots great. Also got a great 7 shot 357 with 6” barrel. I highly recommend buying revolvers in person, and buying good old S&w and Ruger but that new tauras executive 357/9mm might be a good one if price is right.
I recently purchased a new Taurus 942 Ultra Lite Revolver in 22LR. It was defective out of the box, would not ignite any primers. Sent it back to Taurus on Jan. 25, 2024. At the FOUR MONTH mark, and them having no idea when a new 22LR revolver would be ready ship to me,..they offered me a credit towards another Taurus handgun. I chose the TX22 because it seemed to have the least amount of problems of their product line. After a very long detailed discussion with customer service, they sent me an email confirming the TX22 be the replacement Received an email 2 weeks later that the 22 LR revolver was going to be shipped. Reached out to customer service AGAIN…oops they messed up. So the whole process will now start over. I sent my GX4 back twice by the way. I guess I don’t learn…crap is crap. That’s what they mean by “lifetime” warranty.
I own both a model 65 and a 605, both of them are post covid....I've had no problems with either one...thus far. You say you'd have a hard time recommending a Taurus at this time??? Maybe I missed something?
Yes I do. I base this on a 65 with a faulty cylinder lockup, an 856 with a faulty cylinder lockup, and a new Rossi RP63 that completely locked down. I experienced all these guns in succession. Now that is just me. With other reports from various consumers it makes it hard for me to recommend Taurus as a brand.
I get it.👌👍Hopefully, I won't have any issues.
With Taurus you get some cherries and a few lemons. I've currently own 4 all steel Taurus snubs that are cherries. Two have been with me for over six years and have had 100's of rounds shot from them.
I have had 2 Taurus revolvers. A model 44-3. A 44 mag with a 3 inch barrel. I loved that gun. Carried it often. But then I got arthritis and I sold it. I have had a model 850, ( think S&W 642) for many, many years. I have put well over 10,000 rounds through it. Not a single issue. And I have dry fired it with snap caps countless times. I did replace the trigger return spring to lighten the trigger pull. I just love this revolver. Would I trade it for a S&W 642? Absolutely. But that's not going to happen. I would buy another Taurus revolver. But I would check it thoroughly before purchasing.
I’m s&w , ruger revolver guy, but and I mean but I’ve bought a few Taurus 85 and 856 and 605 and I’ve had nothing but good luck with them,, and you are spot on about the accuracy they are dandy little shooters,
Well spoken.All facts.
Thank you Andre!
Seems in my experience that Taurus revolvers are of better quality than their semi auto handguns . But I know many have great luck and experience with those as well. Hit or miss. I bought a mid size 44 mag in black from my local shop, that was a replacement for a stainless in same model and caliber that the dealer had found to have found to have a issue before it was sold. I have had great service and have shot some stout loads through it with decent accuracy. No issues. It has been good handguns so far and has the new rubber style grips and also has a good tight cylinder gap. Was it cause it was a replacement gun so it was picked to be a extra good peace ???
Good question. I don't know.
My 85 has been back to Taurus 4 times. It still won’t work right. I have 2 model 94. On both I had to smack open the cylinder with a rawhide mallet. After 500 rounds or so they work fine. On the other hand, my G2C is amazing . For me the cost doesn’t really matter. I like it better than the similar Sig, Glock . The 9mm Star MB is the only one I enjoy shooting more than the G2C. I feel like you, I would not recommend buying a revolver, but I could see buying one myself sometime.
G2C is very well regarded here in Brazil
@@DouglasStudzinskideSouza Mine is amazing, they deserve the excellent reputation. I wish I knew more about owning firearms in Brazil. Can you get stuff that is unavailable in the USA
A buddy of mine who has all the expensive firearms and accessories recently bought a G3C and liked it so much he bought another for his daughter. Because the G series is being manufactured in Bainbridge Georgia it would seem the QC has been better as well as having people stateside who can work on them if they need repair. I was going to talk about my experience with the G series and the TX-22 and how Taurus had improved their pistol lines in recent years, but the video became too long.
@@scotthanson7888 About ownership: There are two categories. Possession (you can currently have two weapons in 38spl, 380 ACP and the brand new 38 TCP (A 9mm shortened by 1mm, a Taurus gambiarra, launched this week) 12 GA and 22lr, or in calibers lower than those mentioned, but less common. Also There is the CAC modality, where you register as a sports shooter (IPSC, etc.), hunter (Boar) or collector. In this category you can have more weapons, but it is a bureaucratic and time-consuming system. more progressive, the pressure on the sector worsens.
@@LionquestFitness your video’s are never too long
I have a pre-covid 605 and it has been great. I had wanted to get the 856 but because of the many problems I have seen reported with them, I did not purchase it. I bought the Kimber K6xs 6 shot 38 special instead and just had to send that back to Kimber after only 150 rounds fired through it with a problem I was having with it. So like you said, the quality control problem is with all manufacturers nowadays.
Thanks for sharing that.
Very fair assessment
Smith and Wesson used to own Taurus back in the 80 for some time. So at one point in time Taurus and S&W revolvers were made in the same factory.
I carry a taurus 617 2'' 7 rounds stainless steel frame.Please make a video of this gun
You can't find them anymore unfortunately.
I have a 617m high polished stainless. I bought it in 96. I did buy some nice wooden grips from Thailand, and dumped the small rubber grip. It's in my carry rotation. It's performed flawlessly since day 1.
Hey Greg, I hope you had a very blessed Father's Day. As you know, I own a Taurus 856 Ultra Lite in my carry rotation. I like it a lot, but just can't seem to fall in love with it like my Charter Arms Undercover and Police Undercover, or my Rock Island Armory m 206. Any chance of you doing a comparison of those guns vs a Taurus 86 or 856?
Thank you very much for this interesting video. It seems that the quality of products made by taurus is not constant, but so is the quality of most revolvers produced totay. Their afforable price make them attractive for quite a lot of people.
And that's a plus. The price has enabled me to experiment with many different platforms without spending a lot of money. If I don't like it, they're easy to sell.
@@LionquestFitness I understand
I have a very rare Taurus Tracker in .45 long Colt. I don't think they made them for a year at best. I called Taurus because I wanted a 2" barrel to go along with 4" Tracker. They said they don't make that caliber any longer. I've had that Taurus for about 15 yrs maybe, trouble free. It's a 5 shooter & I just love it, cuz it's the American caliber & it's very accurate. I have never seen another one in .45 Colt since.
Taurus often makes very limited runs of certain firearms. You'll see them and then they're gone.
The revolver I shoot best is a Model 10 square butt snub that was a service gun. Taurus has interested me but I’ll pass based on your review. Take care Greg.
Take care of that Joe Friday special. I might have bring that one out soon in honor of you and the many officers who did their job and paved the way for the rest of in the sixties and seventies.
Ive had some good luck with Taurus, had 2 recall guns but they shot well so I just kept them , odd issue with safety only happens if deliberately overide
Taurus has really come a long way in terms of quality control with their revolvers. S&W and Ruger are a tad pricey right now, a small frame revolver that's $200.00 or so less is pretty good, especially when you get 6 shots as opposed to 5. I got an 856 Ultra Lite Black for $415.00 8 months ago, I put a Houge Grip on it. I haven't shot or carried it yet, but I do like it and feel confident with it.
not just post covid. I was at a gun shop in 2010 they had 5 taurus snubs in the case and 3 of the 5 the cylinders would free wheel. I pointed it out to the owner and he pulled them and sent them back
My experience with Taurus revolvers between 2015 and 2019 was very positive, but I know QC can ebb and flow.
great vidio sir thank you for sharing
Exactly, I've had some really great ones some not so great
Contemplating the roscoe
Me as well.
I purchased a S&W Model 642 Pro Series, and then a no-lock 642, while at the same time a Taurus Model 856 Ultra-Lite followed me home. (The 856 is what replaced the earlier Model 85, but with the cylinder diameter increased by 0.050" to accommodate 6 rounds of .38 Special +P vs. the 5 round capacity of the Model 85) The 856 had much better fit, finish and function than either of the two S&W 642s - so much better I bought a Taurus 856 Executive Grade. All I can say about the Executive Grade 856 is WOW! S&W should buy a few Executive Grades so they can learn how to manufacture nice guns again!
🤣I agree.
My first Taurus was a lemon. Kept me away from the brand for a while. A very nice 617 brought me around. But I wouldn’t order one. I would have to inspect it first 😊
Happy Father's day Greg.
Thank you! The same to you!
1st revolver, tracker 357, lot of cylinder movement. It was within spec but literally the extremity. Looking down the bore at the chamber alignment, just barely didnt cross the edge of the forcing cone 🌘
I think it may be an older production but im skeptical now. My problem aint that my expectations are too high, its that Charter Arms and EAA are in the same price range & dont have these issues. They have lemons too as you said, but its other things that are not catastrophic to the function like front sights falling out and other things.
Good point.
I have a taurus 7 shot 357 2 inch is h barrel. Don't see a model.number. blueing is beautiful and 7 rounds packs s punch. Know the.model?
617
@@andremaldonado6079 I was racking my brains. That was it. They stopped making them a few years ago.
@@LionquestFitness In Brazil, is 817, 38spl.
@LionquestFitness makes a great backpack gun. Or if you don't mind the weight a carry gun.
glad mine are all pre covid. they just work and shoot well for me. some dont like the recoil of the 617 but for me its no problem, now for backpacking i would carry 357 loads but for ccw it would be 38 plue p's/
I've had good experiences with the Taurus 85 in the past, both old and new models, but now the only Taurus small-frame revolver I have is my Taurus 327; and I trust it. Basic steel frame Taurus snub, but in .32 which really enhances the gun's shootability. I have shot warm 85gr and 100gr .327 Federal Magnum out of it, but mostly .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Magnum. Haven't noticed the yoke assembly screw backing out yet; but I have been keeping an eye on it. My experience, if the screw turns when you lightly turn the screwdriver, it's starting to back out.
All that being said, I wouldn't necessarily recommend Taurus. I bought the 327 because it was the most affordable and available option into getting into .32. Even now, the new UC J-Frames in .32 H&R are still expensive and hard to come by; plus, I've heard of quite a few buyers having QC issues with theirs.
Charter Arms is probably the most consistent maker of .32 revolvers on the market. Ans quite reasonably priced.
@@la_old_salt2241 True, but as far as I am aware, they do not make any models in .327 Federal Magnum. Also, I have no experience with them, so I do not know what their QC is like.
The 90´s Taurus had the best finishing and quality control, very similar to the rossi´s. They are more resistant to rust and the overall quality was better too, but i put my hands on some 90´s revolvers with original springs and their triggers were heavy as hell, the modern ones have a much better smooth trigger.
My S&W 642 airweight has a bent front sight. But at the distance I'll most likely use it, I won't be using the sights.
That's true.
I just traded my only Taurus, a 605, steel frame, in on a S&W 642. It had nothing to do with quality. The Taurus had been a good gun snd shot to point of aim. I sold it because the most comfortable grip for me is the Pachmayr Compac grips for the j-frame sized revolvers. The standard rubber grips that come on the Taurus are really good but they don't make Compac grips for Taurus. It just kept bugging me that my Smiths just feel better in hand. I'm eyeballing my Rugers and frankly they look a little nervous.
LOL - I don't blame you. I just invested in an old, beat up Chief Special that is in good mechanical condition. The further along I go in my concealed carry journey the more the J frame Smiths appeal to me for ease of carry and efficiency. It was between the old 36 or a new 442. Knowing the quality of 60's Smiths I opted for a gun sixty years old.
Nice acquisition! The old Chief vrs. a new 442 was a "no brainer". Let us know when you get a name for the 36. I don't name my guns but I enjoy finding out what you name yours.
@@johnelder4273 It's nickel plated, so I'll call it Rosie to go with Karlita, which I don't carry because of how good a shape it is in. But, I bought Rosie to carry.
@@LionquestFitness Cool, it fits.
👍👍Thanks Greg
I hope you had an enjoyable Father's Day!
I have a Taurus M85 haven't had a single issue with it, even shooting +p ammo.
I got my "cherry"
Tell us about the 3" nickel S&W on this video please!
Coming up this weekend!
Wish you would keep the rp63 and give it a test.
I waffled on it, but I just don't like the Rossi triggers.
Are there any revolvers being made right now that you can buy with a high degree of confidence besides a Korth or Manuhrin?
That's a good question. I'm not real big on S&W these days as far as revolvers, although I have some current production Smiths I like and carry. As far as quality at an upper mid range price, Rugers are a good bet with a solid reputation for customer service.
I own two early model Taurus both purchased in the mid 80's one is a model 85 airweight and the other is a model 441 .44 special, and they are GREAT. I purchased a Taurus Tracker .44 mag about 6 years ago and it was a piece of JUNK. Out of time and spit lead all the time. I sent it to Taurus to get fixed. When I got it back in 7 weeks it was no better. I sold it and will not buy another Taurus.
When you send a revolver back to Taurus it goes to Bainbridge Ga. where they make the G series of semi-autos. They don't seem to do well repairing revolvers.
I have had a PT92, two 85s, an 856, and a G2c. No problem with any of them. The PT92 was better than a Beretta 92 I later had both the accuracy and trigger. The G2c will eat any ammo I feed it and its accurate. Had one nickel and one stainless model 85 and they were accurate with fairly good triggers. My 856 three inch is new and still needs rounds through it to give it a good shake down. If Taurus guns were junk they would not be selling so many and the number sold far exceeds the returns. If the gun has a problem that is why there is a warranty but prospective buyers have a responsibility to check the gun over for problems before buying new or used. We inspect a car before buying and a gun should be no different. The Taurus of today is not the Taurus of the past. New management and CEO has turned Taurus USA around. Former Walther employees. To not give Taurus a recommendation you might as well steer folks clear of Smith and Ruger and FN and so on also. Just don't buy a gun and you won't have any problems.
That last line is a hoot.
BTW - There was a G2C and a TX-22 on the rail. I was also going to talk about the successful G series and the PT92 which I have had good luck with, but the video was going to go too long, so I stuck to Taurus revolvers.
@@LionquestFitness "That last line is a hoot."
Well that is the way life is. If you are going to own a car and a house you are going to have problems eventually. Same for guns or anything else. We can choose not to buy anything because we are afraid of having problems but we are not doing ourselves any favors by depriving ourselves because we are paranoid.
"Dude- you bought a budget gun" :)))
I have a particular fondness for Taurus revolvers, but the OLDER versions. The modern versions, as exhibited in this video with the "modular" for lake of a better barrel, I don't care for. Since Taurus started that version, I hear more problems, so much so that my favorite had to stop being a repair facility for them due to the volume of complaints.
However, I have six of the older model 85s and a 94. Of these, most of them I got used, and I only had a problem with one of them which was fixed FREE with a trip back to Taurus.
Sounds like you have some fine guns that are generational keepers.
untill a screw falls out and it takes 4 months to get a screw .. even under wartee
There is one major problem that Taurus has with their 605 model. Bullet shavings could pepper your face and even draw blood. I've experienced this and I've also viewed people demonstrating this happening
Sounds like a timing issue.