serious talk: for the most part, Grimm Guy beats Adder by just disrespecting Sideslip for the most part. Keep the brawl going as long as possible. Sideslip does little if everything's just already in range as-is, and if everything you have in range is half dead or has to move into a vulnerable position to act on its increased range... what good did Sideslip really do? It's very smart play.
Honestly I know adder is considered a counter to grim but I think it’s the other way around. sure, his power can let him get the first strike but that just means that you never let him take it. which is exactly how grim guy plays. keep the pressure up and never let them get a moment to breath.
agreed. Grimm is kind of like a medieval flail: conventionally pretty stupid, but situationally viable if you can manage his drawbacks and are willing to accept the possibility of screwing yourself over by accident. Grimm Guy seems to have figured out the right distance to swing the flail at.
I like how GrimmGguy started fighting and killing every tank in Po1alnd's first tank chain so that he doesnt get any tanks in position to take advantage of a sideslip
@@davidwhidden9337 I just thought players would take the time to run the damage calculator to know the exact possible damage output of engagements and check a few turns ahead for the possible opponent answers and try to mitigate their good answers as much as possible before executing the turn. I simply didn't know that running the calculator damage for an engagement wouldn't be able to make a player to expect the damage they would be taking and dealing but we learn something new everyday
I feel like Grimm became the equivalent of a new chess dubious gambit. He sucks but if you dont REALLY know how properly counter you get fucked. Which btw, while rare, there are multiple cases of International Masters and sometimes even Grand Masters, both being people whose job is playing chess, falling from questionable trappy moves in blitz (3 minutes) chess.
I mean, in blitz you can’t really blame them, and on their level, gambits are much rarer, so knowing how too counter them is less important, maybe they just forgot
Grimm is a CO which requires perfect play. Any step out of line and he gets slammed. But if his pay is perfect and he's able to beat you to the punch, it's game over. You basically have to wait for him to make a mistake without making one yourself
I think that's just it. Having 30% attack is incredible as day-to-day. Most COs don't even get that on a power, the key thing is to dictate the engagements, Grim doesn't want to face up against a dense shield wall where he's hitting soft infantry, but dynamic engagements where good units are constantly taking damge.
Honestly grim has better low hp units. Andys lowhp units are a target. You want to kill them. Grims arnt you dont want to wast recorces on somthing that wont damage you but its still a nuisance
Love the intrigue behind the Grimm Guy. Goes sort of like a typical mystery movie: "We fought and competed against each other. But then the mysterious stranger appeared and we were all doomed..." xD Dude is a beast really. Superior tactician AND superior strategist. Mangs pls do a video on matches where Grimm Guy got beaten. I think his losses would reveal his potential even more so! All we saw for now was that he can grind anyone down ...
I really want to believe that behind Grimm Guy's true identity were the designer of the CO and, tired of hearing that "he sucks" or "he's under Tier 4 COs", decided to show to us, pitiful mortals how to play Grimm
I would like to paraphrase this by saying that I hadn't meant disrespect, I have recently started playing casual advance wars and have learnt some really great stuff from you, and in particular, the lessons that I've learnt from Grim Guy is that the person who sets the pace of the match *will* have a chopper advantage that will divide resources. In particular, I've been playing Kindle as a very aggressive territorial CO and have found some success in this that I have found fascinating. Move in, fight aggressively, and tech up aggressively ensures that, despite being outnumbered, they can't respond meaningfully to my actions. Interestingly, Adder's reach advantage is nullified with how the Grim guy plays; all the important units are already in the slugging range, so it's fine. Just Grim's superior day-to-day means that every time Adder initiates an engagement, Grim *kills* a tank and can keep the damaged unit for later. Over time he can build up a significant unit advantage that can overcome Poland completely. I mean, just look at the infantry engagements, sure Adder can cripple a lot of infantry, but he lacks the punch to kill off units significantly, which means Grim can smash in. I mean, Grim guy doesn't even allow Poland to start establishing walls; he challenges him to a slugfest and dictates the pace of the game for most of the match and eventually, through getting enough clean kills, was able to overwhelm him despite them being equal in value for much of the battle. This should change how we view the matchup. Sure, the extra movement is excellent for getting the first strike, but first strikes matter less if he can hit harder consistently. I argue that Jake or even Jess is a better match-up because they get a boost in range, but the increase in damage output is enough to start one-shotting units in retaliation, thanks to his light defence. Just this beginning to make me wonder whether Adder is a good match for Grim or whether he's merely overrated and that Grim is much better than we give him credit for. Just underestimate him significantly because, well, he's hard to use. Either that or the map is working against Adder, which I felt was true last time. Grim guy knew Adders power was finding engagements, so he just opened his chest to him and hit him harder constantly, so the extra reach didn't add too much.
Grimm Guy after defeating Poland: *In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Polish Republic will be reorganized into the first Grimm Empire, for a safe and secure society.*
Inf on grim insta die to everything so taking 3 loss on an inf is not a big deal compared to 1-2 on a tank. Also that 1-2 hp ends up really good as he chain kills adder's tanks. The chaining being worse for Adder then it is Grim because Grim ends up with a few tanks after. Honestly I'd keep letting Poland chain because he is down 3-4 tanks a chain. Yet Grim has to pay for repairs but it lets him run more infs instead with out being down units.
Grimm guy in a nutshell Trade offer Offer: in-range damaged HP unit You Receive: You Lose Full HP unit Value and Knuckleduster Base locked Anti-Air is the funniest and Smartest part holy moly to ward off Mech
Fighting against Grimm is like getting in a fistfight against a guy in a wheelchair. You absolutely should be able to beat him, but there's no winning if you take the fight. Either you get your ass beat by a guy without functioning legs, or you beat up a disabled person. No matter what happens, you lose. Similarly, I feel bad for Poland. Either he beats Grimm Guy because it's a T4 CO, or he loses to a T4 CO. There is no victory for him, no matter how the match turns out.
Wants privacy? Intentionally plays bad matchups to challenge himself playing just one CO so he can be countered? I mean, Voice of Akasha? Considering he plays relatively rarely multiple fun accounts seem to make sense for theory crafting and keeping his skills sharp.
I'm not a world-class player, so there's probably something I'm missing about the maneuver at 12:41, but doesn't this move from Po1and play directly into Grimm Guy's strategy? He wants to force brawls to negate any Adder positional play. Getting the tank chains tangled together robs Sideslip of some of its potential impact, so I'm surprised that he made that choice.
Oh, it was even worse than that. He engaged from the roads, which led to the back and forth where Grimm Guy's tank only lost 6-7 HP for every tank it killed.
yyuupp, I have no idea why he attacked first, worst choice he could have made, he should have used his infantry to wall and had an arty ready. Grimm WANTS to be aggressive and strike after you do. I have no idea why people say "grimm wants to strike first" no he WANTS you to come to him because you feed his power meter and he backs up his units to counter like what he has been doing in all of these videos. Now if he gets hit from poor play that's a different story. Engaging in a slugfest without a day to day power or even a super that boosts your actual power was a very, very dumb move.
GG clearly studied under the Zapf Brannigan school of sending wave after wave of men at his opponent. The material advantage towards the end was really something to see.
Grimm Guy's use of close-quarters fighting was fairly brilliant. Adder's big appeal is his sideslip which SHOULD allow him to outmaneuver a CO like Grimm and pick off his units. The fact that Grimm Guy was already in range and was positioned to be able to easily counter Po1and's attacks meant getting outmaneuvered didn't matter.
AI progress update. The AI understands and is rather good at calculating optimal strategies. Beat me already, but I am not that good. One problem I have is the CO powers. The AI doesn't really understand how to best utilize them and I have trouble making it work. Probably will have to make the AI fight itself using various COs, activating powers when ready, until it understands the optimal way and time to use them. I hoped I wouldn't have to do that yet, because it will take weeks.
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja I'd love to hear more about this. Would you mind mailing me your Discord acc if you use it to mangsmemes@gmail.com? I've been curious about someone making an AI for AWBW.
@@Mangs1337 No, not yet at least. I don't want to share a half baked AI that can't even use COs effectively. Also, I have planed to stomp everyone as another Grimm alt to make y'all wonder who could it be and then reveal it to be my AI. Thst however is far into the future, so I might scratch that, especially because I need to play test it against some actually good players.
What approach do you use to make your AI? I was thinking about making one myself and I wanted to try using machine learning on top players games data to evaluate the position but then compute all the options available in a turn to see what moves result in the best position. So some sort of hybrid AI where teh strategy is ML-based but the tactics is old-school AI/bruteforcing. This would allow me to better handle CO powers because I can check how good of an advantage using the CO power is giving me. My main worry about using this approach is how to handle luck during the "bruteforcing" phase, a naive implementation would explode the space of possibilities so I would need to be clever about it
Grimm’s low HP units are so valuable for bait units and placing them on properties and blocking. If you spend a 10 HP unit to finish a 1 HP Grimm, you’ll get destroyed by his follow up. It’s the same case for his 3 HP units on a property. Grimm’s follow up is a devastating first strike on a property.
I think the early tank from grimm guy had far more significance than mangs or the comments would suggest (nobody else has mentioned it). Allowed grimm guy to make the centre a "tank for tank exchange" chain without po1and having much choice and grimm guy being slightly better off after each exchange. Grimm guy dictates the build, area of battle and the pace to suit them far more than adder (who's co power was practically worthless throughout the match). Very calculated. Every one of grimm guys matches feels like grimm guy is playing a match-up he just understands better than the opponent. Fascinating matches, some of my favourites even, but i would be intrigued to see some players fight fire with fire (grimm vs grimm) rather than use adder (who, hot take, i do not see as a cointer to grimm, at least on this map). Also, me need more grandmaster tournaments! I started following this channel because of those.
Adder is a conventional counter to grim. But it seems highlevel play allows for a reversal. Seems jess and jake at higher levels of play might be more favorable
Yup same mistake as the last vid, instead of being patient he allowed grimm to counter. If you want to beat grimm you must strike his best units first and do so in a way that prevents him from using his power to delete your army. If you want to play a more aggressive playstyle like that then you should play someone who can throw fodder at him such as colin or someone who has increased defensive/offensive stats. Hell a CO with 20% increased defense technically has a 10% firepower advantage over grimm but you have to be mindful of grimms power. IMO I think I might even just pick Max into Grimm and go toe to toe since his lowered defense would cripple him by that much. But the key to these battles is who gets off the first strike. Never take the bait.
@@Tzizenorec From what I have heard, those lost games are usually because the map is extremely unfavorable to Grimm guy, where the first turn can easily reach and snipe out his capture games
GrimmGuy is like an ocean wave/tidal force. Big attack and then retreat, big attack, retreat etc. and since he conserves units, the next attack is always a little stronger than the last one.
I think grimm guy should stay anonymous and heres why: Even if grim guy is within the top 10 of players as soon as his main is found out his core strategy that makes him unique is gone and more players will pull apart hiw playstyle by over studying his games.
15:00 Those were very unfavorable engagements for Poland. He'd take Grimm's tank down to 3 or 4, and then in return his tank would be destroyed! He lost in both unit count and unit value here.
Bit of stupid pondering, but do you think Sonja would counter Grimm to an extent? Counter Break completely neuters Grimm's offense *and* exploits his terrible defense when it's up, even when he has one of his powers active, and her power meter is even smaller than Grimm's so she can get a ton of uptime on it- or just hang onto it when Grimm has meter to counter his powers.
I've learned more of Grimm here. Guy was and still uses threaten tactics (Attack my unit, I dare you.), but his whole usage of Grimm's weakness (defense) is turned into an efficient synergy. He attacks with the boosted damage, and takes the counter hit. This can leave Grimm on some low HP, but as long as its 1, that's perfect. Pull that 1 HP unit back and 1 of 3 things happen: 1. You attack and kill the weakened unit, and his tank chain from behind will come up and eat for free, so that he may repeat the process 2. You DON'T attack and he repairs it on a city to punish passivity, if he killed a unit and you didn't kill that 1 HP that caused it, he is building unit count lead. 3. You DON'T attack but you still have a lot of threats for him in the area, he'll keep it safe til fresh units from the tank chain come forward and just use those low HP units as emergency shields to press more offense. On the third option, the "efficient synergy" is that he straight up just used it as a pure offense unit, and a defensive unit all at once. Its low HP, so it doesn't matter to him, but it DOES matter to you. This is only possible on Grimm through perfect capture game, and positioning to win engagements and keep his unit lead. The whole risk Grimm runs when played this well, is that if he loses one serious main combat (i.e. the frontline/center of map) it all crumbles. It really speaks to how well he's actually doing. I commend Po1and here for being the first to be the ballsiest lab rat, just going straight into a slugfest with Grimm Guy so we can get an idea of how it goes. Not well. As stated in another comment, Grimm Guy is just disrespecting Sideslip by keeping things just in range at all times and using his great positioning to always have a follow up. Adder may not be the move as Grimm Guy is probably used to Adder match up by this point and just has plans ready for a lot of situations against him. I think Po1and should retry with another CO of that tier if Guy would have the rematch. That slugfest was the most entertaining match in awhile. Conventional Grimm counters won't work here, the only hope would be to "shock" him by using someone not expected, not that he won't be ready for it, but he might not have the same practiced flowchart he has against his perceived predators. Otherwise, HELL YEAH GRIMM GUY MATCH, LOVE SEEING THESE. Keep them coming, Mangs.
1 thing I noticed is Grimm Guy never sticks around. He hits, takes the counter attack, and retreats. He doesn't take prolonged combat. He doesn't take big battles and sieges. He smacks you hard and runs. He doesn't really give you time to set up and by the end of the encounter, the value is similar, but he wins unit count. This game was just a series of skirmishes, and GG won almost all of them.
He gets +-10% on plains. He has -20% defense d2d, and gets +10% defense per terrain stars. On roads, Grimm effectively increases enemy firepower by +20% when he's on roads, +10% while on plains, +0% in forests, and he gets 10% defense on properties, +20% on mountains/HQ's etc.
A 3 HP tank has a much value as a 10 HP tank. Pull back for repairs, then use that tank to finish off one that got hit by a full HP tank. Morale of the story, make sure you kill Grimm Guy's units, else it will come back to bite you. Catch 22.
Grimm Guy Sideslips with his fists. It looks like the optimal Grimm play is keeping on the defensive. If you don't overcommit, suddenly that def drop doesn't sound so bad for bonus power, it seems ...
My penny is on GrimmGuy being Akasha: Impeccable capture chains, unorthodox moves (delaying base cap, delaying the tower cap, self base-lock, sudden artillery against a tank chain and b-copters), the patience and self-control of a Buddha, and absolutely ruthless at exploiting openings. This might not be the only way, but it certainly is a fantastic way to become as good as Akasha: place yourself in strict scenarios with harsh limitations, in this case, permanently lower defense means you can't afford to make positional mistakes, and you need your calcs to be on point. Play around a bit like that. Now transfer that experience and fine positioning control to playing everyone else. You don't need alt accounts to practice, obviously, but if you happen to have a 100% winrate and would find it funny to keep it that way, using an alt to practice - and especially to practice extreme constraints where you anticipate you're likely to lose a lot - makes a lot of sense.
Shows up out of nowhere, fucks your shit up, refuses to elaborate, and then disappears for months on their main account... I think I know who they may be;)
If you are smarter than opponent and manage to get the first strike most of the time, grimm become exponentially stronger, with this weakness less impacted and his firepower more exploited. I find him strong in pve, but of course weak in pvp haha
Grimm does so much damage with hurt units. Taking a 2-3 hp tank, letting it repair one turn and then coming in with a knuckle duster makes it deal damage like a fresh tank from most other COs. Its an interesting conundrum; you can't let Grimm's injured units survive, but most cases you can't spare extra units to finish them off.
Losing a 10 HP unit to kill a 3 HP unit is so bad. That 3 HP unit is either killed or spared and heals to 5 on a property. Either way, Grimm comes out on top.
Damn, I thought this was gonna be the game we see him lose. Everyone talks about how Adder just zones him out but that was not enough. This is the way Grimm was meant to be played!
Fighting Grimm is interesting. If his lines aren't perfect, he loses. However, I am starting to think that a perfect Grimm player is almost unstoppable. It's just so hard to do it.
You can view a Grimm v Adder match as very much a heavyweight v lightweight boxing match. The vast majority of the time the lightweight is not getting hit and whittling down the heavyweight into submission. But then there exists those rare heavyweights who do not waste energy and exhaust themselves in bad trades. They take their time, slowly and methodically, to hem in the lightweight into a position where he can do the serious damage. Then it is all over.
I noticed that Po1and counter attacked right after he got hit is a mistake. Perhaps if he held back a little and have slightly more units he could have won some, if not most, of the engagements.
The fact that it's taken over a decade of AWBW for someone to start consistently winning league games as Grimm probably means that he's in the correct tier.
Quite a while. Singular extremely skilled players going very far doesn't change the fundamental flaws of a character, and whilst the tier lists are based on the assumption of good play, it's not fair to say that a CO deserves a higher spot because the absolute best play can avoid there flaws. If strats become apparent that general good play keeps a CO concistently performing at least a tier above where they currently are, thats when a tier list change will become apparent.
Bro this is a super GM player using a Grimm alt just for the meme, if anyone but this dude that has literally adjusted his entire playing style to playing Grimm tries this they'll be destroyed. Grimm will never leave tier 4
It's similar to fighting game tier-lists. In 3rd Strike, Hugo is well known to be low tier. If you meet a Hugo who knows what he's doing, he can and will absolutely destroy you. But that doesn't change the fact Hugo has about one thing going for him. It's a helluva thing, Hugo can do in one throw what most characters need a lot more combo to do and is indeed capable of deleting half your health with a Super, but his general inability to get in close keeps him in the lower tiers.
@@SenisPucker AW hasn't existed for that long yet. It's very plausible that many techniques and ways of playing haven't been optimized or discovered yet. Give it 100 years and let's see how different AW gameplay is.
Hot take/theory; Mangs is Grimm Guy and he staged the Mangs vs Grimm match.
they are both bald, so that theory makes complete sense to me
Hotter take: Grimm Guy is Dangs
probably not unless Mangs is hiding his real rating all this time
@@Hone_mor2525 Ah a sort of Fight Club situation?
@@thebrazillianguytm2186 mangs should grow that handlebar stash for next video or at least draw it on
The day you realised you couldn’t wall against your opponent was the worst day of your life.
For Grimm Guy, it was Tuesday.
Grimm Guy is M Bison confirmed.
serious talk: for the most part, Grimm Guy beats Adder by just disrespecting Sideslip for the most part. Keep the brawl going as long as possible. Sideslip does little if everything's just already in range as-is, and if everything you have in range is half dead or has to move into a vulnerable position to act on its increased range... what good did Sideslip really do?
It's very smart play.
Adder players have a tendency to overextend with their powers. Grimm Guy knows this
@@GreyWind1988 thre are times to use Sidewinder
Honestly I know adder is considered a counter to grim but I think it’s the other way around. sure, his power can let him get the first strike but that just means that you never let him take it. which is exactly how grim guy plays. keep the pressure up and never let them get a moment to breath.
Need a Grimm vs Grimm mirror match
agreed. Grimm is kind of like a medieval flail: conventionally pretty stupid, but situationally viable if you can manage his drawbacks and are willing to accept the possibility of screwing yourself over by accident. Grimm Guy seems to have figured out the right distance to swing the flail at.
Germany, Russia, now Grimm guy, Poland had a bad last century
You forgot Austria. No, Austria is NOT Germany.
@@projectpitchfork860 the heck is auatria?
@@projectpitchfork860 and no, I never confuse Austria with Germany, I’m not American
what Austria, there is only Australia 🙃
@@Endymion0021 Australia-Hungary.
I like how GrimmGguy started fighting and killing every tank in Po1alnd's first tank chain so that he doesnt get any tanks in position to take advantage of a sideslip
Grimguy will single handedly change grims position on the tier list
@@davidwhidden9337 Are we to assume 1400 players aren't calculating the damage?
That's not how tier lists happen it would be Grimm still T4 and grimguy being in his own tier
@@davidwhidden9337 I just thought players would take the time to run the damage calculator to know the exact possible damage output of engagements and check a few turns ahead for the possible opponent answers and try to mitigate their good answers as much as possible before executing the turn. I simply didn't know that running the calculator damage for an engagement wouldn't be able to make a player to expect the damage they would be taking and dealing but we learn something new everyday
@@davidwhidden9337 Can you try this again but be a little less insufferable.
@@davidwhidden9337 you're not a pro aw player, why should we take your word
I feel like Grimm became the equivalent of a new chess dubious gambit.
He sucks but if you dont REALLY know how properly counter you get fucked.
Which btw, while rare, there are multiple cases of International Masters and sometimes even Grand Masters, both being people whose job is playing chess, falling from questionable trappy moves in blitz (3 minutes) chess.
I mean, in blitz you can’t really blame them, and on their level, gambits are much rarer, so knowing how too counter them is less important, maybe they just forgot
*Eric Rosen is rapidly approaching your location*
Grimm is a CO which requires perfect play. Any step out of line and he gets slammed. But if his pay is perfect and he's able to beat you to the punch, it's game over. You basically have to wait for him to make a mistake without making one yourself
I think that's just it. Having 30% attack is incredible as day-to-day. Most COs don't even get that on a power, the key thing is to dictate the engagements, Grim doesn't want to face up against a dense shield wall where he's hitting soft infantry, but dynamic engagements where good units are constantly taking damge.
@@BoltTheEmolga"Oh no my medium tank!"
Mangs: "Grimm Guy conquers Po1and. He did what Incuggarth could not."
Incuggarth: *laughing behind Grimm Guy account*
Yeah, Incuggarch was like ok time to hop on alt to crush Poland with Grimm. All according to plan.
@@dstreetz91 That would be the craziest reveal of all time
Grimm is like Andy: those low HP units you didn't kill will come back to haunt you.
Honestly grim has better low hp units. Andys lowhp units are a target. You want to kill them. Grims arnt you dont want to wast recorces on somthing that wont damage you but its still a nuisance
Love the intrigue behind the Grimm Guy. Goes sort of like a typical mystery movie: "We fought and competed against each other. But then the mysterious stranger appeared and we were all doomed..." xD
Dude is a beast really. Superior tactician AND superior strategist.
Mangs pls do a video on matches where Grimm Guy got beaten. I think his losses would reveal his potential even more so! All we saw for now was that he can grind anyone down ...
I really want to believe that behind Grimm Guy's true identity were the designer of the CO and, tired of hearing that "he sucks" or "he's under Tier 4 COs", decided to show to us, pitiful mortals how to play Grimm
I would like to paraphrase this by saying that I hadn't meant disrespect, I have recently started playing casual advance wars and have learnt some really great stuff from you, and in particular, the lessons that I've learnt from Grim Guy is that the person who sets the pace of the match *will* have a chopper advantage that will divide resources. In particular, I've been playing Kindle as a very aggressive territorial CO and have found some success in this that I have found fascinating. Move in, fight aggressively, and tech up aggressively ensures that, despite being outnumbered, they can't respond meaningfully to my actions.
Interestingly, Adder's reach advantage is nullified with how the Grim guy plays; all the important units are already in the slugging range, so it's fine. Just Grim's superior day-to-day means that every time Adder initiates an engagement, Grim *kills* a tank and can keep the damaged unit for later. Over time he can build up a significant unit advantage that can overcome Poland completely. I mean, just look at the infantry engagements, sure Adder can cripple a lot of infantry, but he lacks the punch to kill off units significantly, which means Grim can smash in. I mean, Grim guy doesn't even allow Poland to start establishing walls; he challenges him to a slugfest and dictates the pace of the game for most of the match and eventually, through getting enough clean kills, was able to overwhelm him despite them being equal in value for much of the battle.
This should change how we view the matchup. Sure, the extra movement is excellent for getting the first strike, but first strikes matter less if he can hit harder consistently. I argue that Jake or even Jess is a better match-up because they get a boost in range, but the increase in damage output is enough to start one-shotting units in retaliation, thanks to his light defence. Just this beginning to make me wonder whether Adder is a good match for Grim or whether he's merely overrated and that Grim is much better than we give him credit for. Just underestimate him significantly because, well, he's hard to use. Either that or the map is working against Adder, which I felt was true last time. Grim guy knew Adders power was finding engagements, so he just opened his chest to him and hit him harder constantly, so the extra reach didn't add too much.
gotta admit, grimm being able to 2 shot so many things really shows its worth this game
Man, I feel bad for Poland. Grimm Guy is ruthless.
Grimm Guy after defeating Poland:
*In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Polish Republic will be reorganized into the first Grimm Empire, for a safe and secure society.*
Maybe Incugarch needs a break from tactical artillery plays and wants to just slam tanks into something as Grimm
they played eachother
@@davidwhidden9337 No, iirc it is illegal to have you fight yourself in the Global League. So alts are allowed, you just can't fight yourself.
The first sip of a canned beverage has to be consumed with the ''hmmm hmm mmm'' sound effect of Egg.
As per tradition
Imainge if Hetler was as CO on AWBW...
What abilities does he have? I haven’t played super famicom wars
@@art-games6230 Yes.
@@TheGM-20XX thats not an answer
@@art-games6230 Yes
Sigh, I’m just gonna look it up
Inf on grim insta die to everything so taking 3 loss on an inf is not a big deal compared to 1-2 on a tank.
Also that 1-2 hp ends up really good as he chain kills adder's tanks. The chaining being worse for Adder then it is Grim because Grim ends up with a few tanks after. Honestly I'd keep letting Poland chain because he is down 3-4 tanks a chain. Yet Grim has to pay for repairs but it lets him run more infs instead with out being down units.
The legend of Grimm Guy just keeps getting better and better. Thanks for another vid Mangs
Grimm guy in a nutshell
Trade offer
Offer:
in-range damaged HP unit
You Receive:
You Lose Full HP unit Value and Knuckleduster
Base locked Anti-Air is the funniest and Smartest part holy moly to ward off Mech
Things sure are looking Grimm for the Advance Wars competitive scene
Watching Po1and play with polish war music in the background, kinda funny xD
Polish war music tends to has this kind of despair tint in it, fitting
24:56
Mangs uses "no pun intended" after a very intended pun and I will not be gaslit!
Fighting against Grimm is like getting in a fistfight against a guy in a wheelchair. You absolutely should be able to beat him, but there's no winning if you take the fight. Either you get your ass beat by a guy without functioning legs, or you beat up a disabled person. No matter what happens, you lose. Similarly, I feel bad for Poland. Either he beats Grimm Guy because it's a T4 CO, or he loses to a T4 CO. There is no victory for him, no matter how the match turns out.
Wants privacy? Intentionally plays bad matchups to challenge himself playing just one CO so he can be countered? I mean, Voice of Akasha? Considering he plays relatively rarely multiple fun accounts seem to make sense for theory crafting and keeping his skills sharp.
I'm not a world-class player, so there's probably something I'm missing about the maneuver at 12:41, but doesn't this move from Po1and play directly into Grimm Guy's strategy? He wants to force brawls to negate any Adder positional play. Getting the tank chains tangled together robs Sideslip of some of its potential impact, so I'm surprised that he made that choice.
Oh, it was even worse than that. He engaged from the roads, which led to the back and forth where Grimm Guy's tank only lost 6-7 HP for every tank it killed.
yyuupp, I have no idea why he attacked first, worst choice he could have made, he should have used his infantry to wall and had an arty ready. Grimm WANTS to be aggressive and strike after you do. I have no idea why people say "grimm wants to strike first" no he WANTS you to come to him because you feed his power meter and he backs up his units to counter like what he has been doing in all of these videos. Now if he gets hit from poor play that's a different story. Engaging in a slugfest without a day to day power or even a super that boosts your actual power was a very, very dumb move.
GG clearly studied under the Zapf Brannigan school of sending wave after wave of men at his opponent. The material advantage towards the end was really something to see.
Now I want Grimm guy to fight himself.
maybe not as grimm, but i suspect he already probably did it to cover his tracks
Grimm Guy's use of close-quarters fighting was fairly brilliant. Adder's big appeal is his sideslip which SHOULD allow him to outmaneuver a CO like Grimm and pick off his units. The fact that Grimm Guy was already in range and was positioned to be able to easily counter Po1and's attacks meant getting outmaneuvered didn't matter.
AI progress update. The AI understands and is rather good at calculating optimal strategies. Beat me already, but I am not that good.
One problem I have is the CO powers. The AI doesn't really understand how to best utilize them and I have trouble making it work.
Probably will have to make the AI fight itself using various COs, activating powers when ready, until it understands the optimal way and time to use them.
I hoped I wouldn't have to do that yet, because it will take weeks.
What AI are you working on?
@@Mangs1337 An AI to play AWBW (no fog, normal money).
@@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja I'd love to hear more about this. Would you mind mailing me your Discord acc if you use it to mangsmemes@gmail.com? I've been curious about someone making an AI for AWBW.
@@Mangs1337 No, not yet at least. I don't want to share a half baked AI that can't even use COs effectively.
Also, I have planed to stomp everyone as another Grimm alt to make y'all wonder who could it be and then reveal it to be my AI. Thst however is far into the future, so I might scratch that, especially because I need to play test it against some actually good players.
What approach do you use to make your AI? I was thinking about making one myself and I wanted to try using machine learning on top players games data to evaluate the position but then compute all the options available in a turn to see what moves result in the best position. So some sort of hybrid AI where teh strategy is ML-based but the tactics is old-school AI/bruteforcing. This would allow me to better handle CO powers because I can check how good of an advantage using the CO power is giving me. My main worry about using this approach is how to handle luck during the "bruteforcing" phase, a naive implementation would explode the space of possibilities so I would need to be clever about it
Chadguy is unbreakable
Grimm’s low HP units are so valuable for bait units and placing them on properties and blocking. If you spend a 10 HP unit to finish a 1 HP Grimm, you’ll get destroyed by his follow up. It’s the same case for his 3 HP units on a property. Grimm’s follow up is a devastating first strike on a property.
Oof, that was a real nail biter. Great commentary! :D
Witcher theme is a nice touch. Even though Grimm Guy is the kind of monster that can't be beaten easily. 😈😈😈
More Grimm Guy content woo!
I think the early tank from grimm guy had far more significance than mangs or the comments would suggest (nobody else has mentioned it).
Allowed grimm guy to make the centre a "tank for tank exchange" chain without po1and having much choice and grimm guy being slightly better off after each exchange. Grimm guy dictates the build, area of battle and the pace to suit them far more than adder (who's co power was practically worthless throughout the match). Very calculated.
Every one of grimm guys matches feels like grimm guy is playing a match-up he just understands better than the opponent. Fascinating matches, some of my favourites even, but i would be intrigued to see some players fight fire with fire (grimm vs grimm) rather than use adder (who, hot take, i do not see as a cointer to grimm, at least on this map).
Also, me need more grandmaster tournaments! I started following this channel because of those.
Adder is a conventional counter to grim. But it seems highlevel play allows for a reversal. Seems jess and jake at higher levels of play might be more favorable
Thank you for using the OST of Poland for this match
Is the music from the Witcher 3?
yeah. because poland.
gotta love that banana tiger
Yup same mistake as the last vid, instead of being patient he allowed grimm to counter. If you want to beat grimm you must strike his best units first and do so in a way that prevents him from using his power to delete your army. If you want to play a more aggressive playstyle like that then you should play someone who can throw fodder at him such as colin or someone who has increased defensive/offensive stats. Hell a CO with 20% increased defense technically has a 10% firepower advantage over grimm but you have to be mindful of grimms power. IMO I think I might even just pick Max into Grimm and go toe to toe since his lowered defense would cripple him by that much. But the key to these battles is who gets off the first strike. Never take the bait.
Grimm guy is Very unbeatable. At this point, He is going to be No.1 and cause Grimm to take a massive leap in Ranking....
proceeding to fight people he should have long ago; making him go higher, and..
If you check his history on AWBW, he does lose some of his games.
@@Tzizenorec From what I have heard, those lost games are usually because the map is extremely unfavorable to Grimm guy, where the first turn can easily reach and snipe out his capture games
This is the same map I played in AWBW. It was my first game in AWBW and I played with Adder then lost. Oof.
GrimmGuy is like an ocean wave/tidal force. Big attack and then retreat, big attack, retreat etc. and since he conserves units, the next attack is always a little stronger than the last one.
I think grimm guy should stay anonymous and heres why:
Even if grim guy is within the top 10 of players as soon as his main is found out his core strategy that makes him unique is gone and more players will pull apart hiw playstyle by over studying his games.
15:00 Those were very unfavorable engagements for Poland. He'd take Grimm's tank down to 3 or 4, and then in return his tank would be destroyed! He lost in both unit count and unit value here.
Bit of stupid pondering, but do you think Sonja would counter Grimm to an extent? Counter Break completely neuters Grimm's offense *and* exploits his terrible defense when it's up, even when he has one of his powers active, and her power meter is even smaller than Grimm's so she can get a ton of uptime on it- or just hang onto it when Grimm has meter to counter his powers.
I've learned more of Grimm here. Guy was and still uses threaten tactics (Attack my unit, I dare you.), but his whole usage of Grimm's weakness (defense) is turned into an efficient synergy. He attacks with the boosted damage, and takes the counter hit. This can leave Grimm on some low HP, but as long as its 1, that's perfect. Pull that 1 HP unit back and 1 of 3 things happen:
1. You attack and kill the weakened unit, and his tank chain from behind will come up and eat for free, so that he may repeat the process
2. You DON'T attack and he repairs it on a city to punish passivity, if he killed a unit and you didn't kill that 1 HP that caused it, he is building unit count lead.
3. You DON'T attack but you still have a lot of threats for him in the area, he'll keep it safe til fresh units from the tank chain come forward and just use those low HP units as emergency shields to press more offense.
On the third option, the "efficient synergy" is that he straight up just used it as a pure offense unit, and a defensive unit all at once. Its low HP, so it doesn't matter to him, but it DOES matter to you. This is only possible on Grimm through perfect capture game, and positioning to win engagements and keep his unit lead. The whole risk Grimm runs when played this well, is that if he loses one serious main combat (i.e. the frontline/center of map) it all crumbles. It really speaks to how well he's actually doing.
I commend Po1and here for being the first to be the ballsiest lab rat, just going straight into a slugfest with Grimm Guy so we can get an idea of how it goes. Not well. As stated in another comment, Grimm Guy is just disrespecting Sideslip by keeping things just in range at all times and using his great positioning to always have a follow up. Adder may not be the move as Grimm Guy is probably used to Adder match up by this point and just has plans ready for a lot of situations against him. I think Po1and should retry with another CO of that tier if Guy would have the rematch. That slugfest was the most entertaining match in awhile.
Conventional Grimm counters won't work here, the only hope would be to "shock" him by using someone not expected, not that he won't be ready for it, but he might not have the same practiced flowchart he has against his perceived predators. Otherwise, HELL YEAH GRIMM GUY MATCH, LOVE SEEING THESE. Keep them coming, Mangs.
1 thing I noticed is Grimm Guy never sticks around. He hits, takes the counter attack, and retreats. He doesn't take prolonged combat. He doesn't take big battles and sieges. He smacks you hard and runs. He doesn't really give you time to set up and by the end of the encounter, the value is similar, but he wins unit count. This game was just a series of skirmishes, and GG won almost all of them.
It's like 'You think I didn't expect you to go for Adder? I know he's my counter, obviously I'm gonna train to fight him.'
Does negative defense exist? Or are plains just clamped to 0 effective defense for Grimm?
He gets +-10% on plains. He has -20% defense d2d, and gets +10% defense per terrain stars. On roads, Grimm effectively increases enemy firepower by +20% when he's on roads, +10% while on plains, +0% in forests, and he gets 10% defense on properties, +20% on mountains/HQ's etc.
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Grimm Guy is really showing that a CO with a low skill floor can still have a high skill ceiling.
Grimm Guy is like Voldemort, we're loathe to say his name.
But god damn if we can't respect the power
Poland can take 40:1 odds. Grimm just happened to be 41:1
Petition for Mangs to get Grimm Guy use his super power 'one' time, and have mangs play grimm's theme when it happens!
At this point I think Poland is used to it…
Well, you ain't wrong
winning at melee with pichu
Poland and Witcher music? I absolutely love your little reference!
A 3 HP tank has a much value as a 10 HP tank. Pull back for repairs, then use that tank to finish off one that got hit by a full HP tank. Morale of the story, make sure you kill Grimm Guy's units, else it will come back to bite you. Catch 22.
Grimm's units fight like COD players.
Suicidal and headlong.
OMAGAD GRIMM GUY STORY CONTINUE YEY We want him on History books xD
Grimm Guy Sideslips with his fists.
It looks like the optimal Grimm play is keeping on the defensive. If you don't overcommit, suddenly that def drop doesn't sound so bad for bonus power, it seems ...
Ah yes. The pastime of all European nations from the pettiest kingdom to the largest superpower. Invading Poland
My penny is on GrimmGuy being Akasha: Impeccable capture chains, unorthodox moves (delaying base cap, delaying the tower cap, self base-lock, sudden artillery against a tank chain and b-copters), the patience and self-control of a Buddha, and absolutely ruthless at exploiting openings.
This might not be the only way, but it certainly is a fantastic way to become as good as Akasha: place yourself in strict scenarios with harsh limitations, in this case, permanently lower defense means you can't afford to make positional mistakes, and you need your calcs to be on point. Play around a bit like that. Now transfer that experience and fine positioning control to playing everyone else. You don't need alt accounts to practice, obviously, but if you happen to have a 100% winrate and would find it funny to keep it that way, using an alt to practice - and especially to practice extreme constraints where you anticipate you're likely to lose a lot - makes a lot of sense.
Loved it when Grimm Guy said “It’s Grimming time!” And Grimmed all over Poland.
Shows up out of nowhere, fucks your shit up, refuses to elaborate, and then disappears for months on their main account...
I think I know who they may be;)
I recently played through Dual Strike for the first time and saw that Grimm was very useful against AI opponents for obvious reasons.
If you are smarter than opponent and manage to get the first strike most of the time, grimm become exponentially stronger, with this weakness less impacted and his firepower more exploited. I find him strong in pve, but of course weak in pvp haha
You know, if you put on some small lens sunglasses, you would look a lot like Grimm.
Day 8, 12:56
Grimm Guy takes engagements before finishing capping his Com Tower.
I now understand why Mangs doesn't name-drop this guy.
Grimm guy didn't finish capping the comm tower - that infantry decided to attack instead... and the attacks prior to that killed regardless
Small question: on 13:50, is it worth it to use a infantry unit as a shield for the (4) tank or the movement for other tank too much to dodge?
tanks have a movement of 6, so it could just sidestep the infantry no matter where the inf tries to block in this case
Grim guy is showing the fact that the best defense is a great offence huh.
Grimm does so much damage with hurt units. Taking a 2-3 hp tank, letting it repair one turn and then coming in with a knuckle duster makes it deal damage like a fresh tank from most other COs. Its an interesting conundrum; you can't let Grimm's injured units survive, but most cases you can't spare extra units to finish them off.
Losing a 10 HP unit to kill a 3 HP unit is so bad. That 3 HP unit is either killed or spared and heals to 5 on a property. Either way, Grimm comes out on top.
grimm and flak guy tag team when ?
After Poland invaded Norway, Grimm Guy comes to save the day!
Damn, I thought this was gonna be the game we see him lose. Everyone talks about how Adder just zones him out but that was not enough. This is the way Grimm was meant to be played!
edelgard is overrated
I can't belive Poland lost
im also starting to think grimm isnt the worst co in the game
Fighting Grimm is interesting. If his lines aren't perfect, he loses. However, I am starting to think that a perfect Grimm player is almost unstoppable. It's just so hard to do it.
Last time I checked, Po1and was nr.1 in standard, who the f is this (Grimm) guy?!
Yup it's voice of akasha all right
Randomwayz actually defeated Grimm Guy using Grimm, maybe thats the secret to defeat him.
Fun match! I like Grimm guy, but if they’re an alt, hope they’re not allowed to compete in the grandmasters tournament
Love when Poland plays because just a phenomenal excuse to play tw3 music
Witcher music for advance wars? Not bad. Edit: Oh I get it, it’s because the witcher is polish.
Grimm guy tylko nie Polska!
such a cursed thumbnail lmao
Grimm Guy literally won on all 3 fronts. That is insane.
Maybe some day Grimm Guy will meet his match.
Maybe it will be... a Flak Fellow.
You can view a Grimm v Adder match as very much a heavyweight v lightweight boxing match. The vast majority of the time the lightweight is not getting hit and whittling down the heavyweight into submission. But then there exists those rare heavyweights who do not waste energy and exhaust themselves in bad trades. They take their time, slowly and methodically, to hem in the lightweight into a position where he can do the serious damage. Then it is all over.
I am really rooting for Poland but I know that this video wouldn't exist if he won. u - u
This chad is in the top 100 players right now
I would love you see this masked champion in a new AWBW Tournament
He's playing in the Smacky Cup. You can go check out his Round 1 victory, if you want - he's in Division 1, Group H.
@@SenisPucker Didn't know that i have to check it until this comment. Thank You kind man
Hot take/ Grimm guy is actually mangs boyfriend
Grimm Guy is the gift that keeps on giving.
Also I'll recognize Takabe Torao fatness anywhere.
I noticed that Po1and counter attacked right after he got hit is a mistake. Perhaps if he held back a little and have slightly more units he could have won some, if not most, of the engagements.
Good choice with the Witcher music in the video, great match!
That Grimm guy is Mangs himself. Just put the sun glasses on and see it at yourself.
Grimm rolls tanks, beats down Poland. More at 11.
Anyone else recognise the image for Grimm in the thumbnail?
At which point will match results force the community to reconsider tier lists of COs?
The fact that it's taken over a decade of AWBW for someone to start consistently winning league games as Grimm probably means that he's in the correct tier.
Quite a while. Singular extremely skilled players going very far doesn't change the fundamental flaws of a character, and whilst the tier lists are based on the assumption of good play, it's not fair to say that a CO deserves a higher spot because the absolute best play can avoid there flaws.
If strats become apparent that general good play keeps a CO concistently performing at least a tier above where they currently are, thats when a tier list change will become apparent.
Bro this is a super GM player using a Grimm alt just for the meme, if anyone but this dude that has literally adjusted his entire playing style to playing Grimm tries this they'll be destroyed. Grimm will never leave tier 4
It's similar to fighting game tier-lists. In 3rd Strike, Hugo is well known to be low tier. If you meet a Hugo who knows what he's doing, he can and will absolutely destroy you. But that doesn't change the fact Hugo has about one thing going for him. It's a helluva thing, Hugo can do in one throw what most characters need a lot more combo to do and is indeed capable of deleting half your health with a Super, but his general inability to get in close keeps him in the lower tiers.
@@SenisPucker AW hasn't existed for that long yet. It's very plausible that many techniques and ways of playing haven't been optimized or discovered yet. Give it 100 years and let's see how different AW gameplay is.
Freakin' sweet, thanks for more Grimm Guy content!
What if Mangs has been Grimm Guy this whole time?