Joe, I am a pilot for a major airline in the USA. I listen to your podcast while cruising at Mach .84 at 35,000 feet. Sometimes i wonder what the passengers would say if they knew I was flying while listening to eddies conspiracy theroies. I love it. Cheers
This guest brought into words, ideas and beliefs I've had about society my whole life. This is one of the best podcasts I've listened to in a long time. Thank you Rogan.
By far one of the best interviews Joe! Never heard of Sebastian Junger but man, that guy nailed it with depression. Humans definitely need community and support for a stable life.
Mr. Junger is absolutely correct. I was deployed to Iraq for 16 months in '05-'06 and when we got home, we all were super stoked about being back. Parties, drinking, living it up. Then a few months go by and the celebration doesn't help anymore. Depression sets in, PTSD in some cases, and you yearn for combat again. Then you get your 214 and you think life is gonna get better as you become a civilian again but it is never the same as it was before you deployed. Being a veteran in the civilian world these days is incredibly strange...I always wish for those days when I was back in Iraq with my brothers. Not to just mindlessly kill, but to belong and have the camaraderie...and to another extent, the adrenaline rush.
Man, you're too hardcore for me. You're also illiterate as fuck since you missed the part where I said "yearn for combat" and "wish for the days when I was back in Iraq" and "the adrenaline rush." Granted, reading isn't the average grunt's strong suit...but do try next time before you chest thump and try and act hard on the net.
csmithrun2 good luck on your "conversion" to being a civilian again. I think anything that gives you a huge rush can be hard to stop. Your body still yearns for it especially after they trained you to be a killing machine
Ya you had a fucking tribe, WELCOME TO MY FUCKING WORLD OF NO TRIBES!!! I coulda went off and been a redcoast 2.0 like a ton of my family, but why be a fucking tool for another empire. You know you hate being back? BECAUSE THIS FUCKING CULUTRE IDOLIZES THE FUCKING EGO, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THE TRIBE. It's not any kind any kind of huge thing that you hate being back in a place where everyone is a fucking slave to the ego, self graitification, this ME FUCKING ME CULTURE. There is a real reason you wanna be back there and it's not because war is awesome, IT'S BECAUSE LIVING IN A CULURE OF THE EGO IS ALIVING FUCKING HELLHOLE!!!!!!!!!!! Hell a ton of my friends are products of what this ware pumps out, heroin is the biggest fucking thing ever, 90% of that heroin is being made in AFganistan. This aint no fucking coincidence just like that same thing going on in Vietnam isn't. If anything it shows what a whore out culture and our government has become. There's a reason why you'd rather be with you tribe............. there is no tribe here it's been enslaved by the ego. All vets need to get on the same page and realize they been turned out by a fucking pimp. I say this sadly as a member of a family duped by these fuckes, I do Xmas dinner hearing about the horseshit they deal with in Afganistan. Fuck this culture! The tribe is dead because of the fucking EGO!!!!!!!! Time for humans to step their fucking game up or you a slave!!
I am an electrician and when you finish a big job or bend conduit like a boss it makes you feel good and you can come back to thows things and say look I did that . my point is some of use are not meant to be scholars and have 200 thousand in debt. there is a real tangible satisfaction in doing trade work!
Bro, I really like this post. It is called spell check though, you need it in your life. People will not take you seriously if your post are incomprehensible. Much love.
Chad I agree, I learned how to level and mount headboards for a 10-story hotel job at work this month, like a docta! Not sayin I want to do it forever, but definitely got that feeling of satisfaction knowing I learned something new.
I work in a factory and whenever the construction/electricians come through I'm always impressed by them. Maybe it's not as hard as I think but I still appreciate that stuff
"Move into a community where you have to be inter-reliant with the people around you and where you have to interact with them everyday." How many other places do you hear this kind of advice? Priceless. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and ideas Sebastian!
It feels like a lot of people in this comments section have completely missed the point of Sebastians dialogue and that is extremely unfortunate as his message is actually quite beautiful...
Evan Green ...who haven’t traveled anywhere, I completely agree. I’ve been to Kazakhstan a few times and it makes me kind of depressed living in the US (I’m an American). I’d rather be there =\
I'm still in the beginning of this cast so I haven't gotten to all the haters and their B'S. One thing that I would disagree with is that his friend died in combat. This Sebastian is a filmmaker/journalist. So him filmming in War/combat zones and being killed does not mean KIA! It only means one was killed in a combat zone.
This guy is provoking a lot of hatred in the comments. I have no idea why, he's not even overtly political and doesnt seem like he's proselytising when he does mention his opinions. He mostly is trying to communicate how the speed of the development of affluent society has overtaken our biological capability to adapt it. A lot of crazy hostile reactions here
Something about sitting in front of a keyboard brings out the worst people and the worst in people. People seem to think they are better, smarter and stronger then they actually are when they see the miracle of technology take their dark, misguided thoughts and put them for all to see. One would expect that it would make them more humble, knowing that there is no taking it back once in writing and on the internet no less but alas ... the fine line between fantasy and reality is the most murky in the deep dark cyber world.
Yeah ... awfulness is subjective though too. And I find myself very confused/shocked by internet/general hate as well. But alas ... if you surf you must be aware of all the things in the ocean just looking to eat you ... unfortunately, in the ocean its sharks and on the internet it's trolls. lol
The best thing my parents did for me when I turned 12 was to move from a large city to a small town. After a short adjustment period I gradually changed from a socially isolated kid who watched TV 8+ hours a day to someone with loads of friends who played a multitude of sports. The catalyst was the space and the easy-going people who knew each other well and were respectful.
I love it when little abstract labels like "capitalist" and "socialist" get thrown around against a man who is simply making the clear scientific point that for much of our evolution and existence as humans we lived in small egalitarian communities.
Just wanted to put something into perspective: 1 million seconds = 12 days 1 billion seconds = 32 years 1 trillion seconds = 31,710 years So we can put time into perspective. It's hard to put money into perspective. But the Pentagon lost $6.5 trillion dollars of our tax money. 6.5 trillion seconds = 206,115 years if I second = $1. That's a shit ton of money.
yeah completely agree man fucking idiots getting but hurt and whining and crying about anything that sounds slightly liberal or socialist or whatever and then on the other side fucking idiots whining and crying at anything that sounds slightly right wing ,racist and whatever . And then when the subject of bankers come up "oh yeah i guess the bankers are bad and all ... BUT THE FUCKING LIBERALS THESE DAYS THEY ARE GONNA BE THE DEATH OF US ALL!!!!" and then the fucking short sighted liberal on the other hand " OH NUUUUUU ITS THE END OF THE WORLD EVERYONE ON THE RIGHT IS A FACIST THEY ARE GONNA BE THE DEATH OFF US ALLL!!!" And at the end of the day its the bankers and their cronies and all the greedy , selfish power-hungry fuckers on top of ALL of you that are gonna fuck up your oh so beloved america , enjoy motherfuckers at least you all get to play a nice little role in your pathetic self destruction .
It has become quite clear to me that people do not take the time to follow every word a speaker dictates, so they fall into the trap of outrage over an statement that was not invoked.
Just moved from downtown Detroit to a small town in West Virginia to work at a VA hospital. As a veteran who experienced depression analogous to what Mr. Junger is talking about, being in a small community where people wave, say hello, and have seemingly frivolous conversations, as well as being back around other vets at the VA, has instantaneously made me much more fulfilled and happier. His approach may not be true for everyone, but definitely is for me...
"It might make me (self medicating or antidepressants) feel good enough to accept a life that isn't working very well." Hmmm. Thought provoking about how you should not "deprive" yourself of meeting life's trials head on, by numbing the pain. (17:00-18:00).
I grew up in Simi Valley, CA and my street was tight knit, with other kids and older folks who had been there forever. Everyone knew each other and we'd have BBQs and block parties between the families, and the elders were all of our grandmas and grandpas. During the '94 quake we banded together, shared food, and the men went around checking homes, turning off gas lines, and we lived through that together by taking care of each other. Some of the men carried their handguns to protect against any stuff coming in from the valley, and it really was a great experience knowing everyone on the street and taking care of each other. We moved to SCV around high school and lost all of that, going to a bigger house with more backyard in a "better" neighborhood, and the was a total difference in happiness. Nobody knew anybody, everyone kept to themselves, and one particular summer we had some bad fires and it seemed like every man for themselves in the neighborhood as people. There's definitely a lot of value in choosing to live in a tight knit place.
These are the best talk shows around. Probably ever. Rogan can engage with anyone on any topic. I really think this is his main talent - even more than commentary and stand up - and his commentary is a major part of why UFC is enjoyable. He's happy to bare his soul and encourage others to bare theirs, is curious about everything, and sufficiently well informed to steer the conversation to interesting places.
Just watched his Doc Restrepo truly gives u a real sense of how tough the men and women are who serve this country, Now about to watch Hell on Earth, Sebastian great job of just showing the brave soldiers and their stories, most of all Rip Juan doc Restrepo whom the small base of Restrepo was named after, GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!!!
I've listened to probably 300+ episodes of this podcast over the years and I think I can say I enjoyed this one the most. Fascinating topic. Will be reading Tribe for sure.
Joe will nearly always agree with what his guests say even if it contradicts something he said previously. He's trying to appeal to everybody but just ends up compromising his integrity.
He's also ensuring the conversation doesn't come to a standstill, or switching to meaningless argument. There's a value in letting a guest feel comfortable enough to give more and more of what they think and have to say. Also, context for a comment is vital--always. Extracting ideas from their context is usually destructive.
This podcast is awesome and I'm 15 minutes in. Junger is so on point it's ridiculous. Even us lower middle class white guys get joy and satisfaction in accomplishment. Whether in work or personally. Do something good and new everyday. Just keep pushing forward.
I always learn so much from JRE. I had a theory that my drug addiction spawned out of complacency. I felt like I was choosing to put my life and health at risk because there were no great threats to survive against. I think this could be the same for others and may shed some light on how to treat drug addiction for people who feel the same. Thanks Joe and Thanks Sebastian. Also, Restrepo was brilliant Doc. I watched it 6 times when it came on Netflix years ago. Well Done Sir!
:-) "I want something good to die for, To make it beautiful to live". We are all, Queens of the Stoneage. :-) Wonderful man, wonderful podcast, wonderful information. Thanks Joe, you are just the best man. Love ya dude.
As a psychiatric nurse my guess is that in more "primitive" societies there is less schizophrenia because schizophrenics die out in harsh conditions. Not because this more "healthier" lifestyle prevents psychosis.
bob rapant Also (sorry long comment coming) The point he made about identical twins didn't make sense. The experiment didn't show that political beliefs are genetic, it simply showed that identical twins are more likely to think alike than ordinary siblings are, which isn't surprising since they are genetically identical and thus will have similar brain chemistry which could produce similar thought processes. The experiment did nothing to show that political beliefs are a product of genetics since their beliefs were not compared to their parents and grandparents etc to see if any patterns emerge independent of being raised by them. If anything, if it had been the fraternal twins who'd shown similarities in political beliefs despite being raised in different environments, then THAT would have been a sign of political beliefs being potentially genetic, since the fraternal twins are less likely to think alike than the identical twins, so if they did think alike, then a reason to explain it could be a shared genetic trait inherited from their parents. That experiment was either badly analysed or just completely irrelevant to what the original author tried to link it to. I think Joe realised that but let it slide.
Trajan yea i noticed joe questioning on that but not pressing him hard on that because he prob wanted to hear his thoughts out but you gotta call bull when you hear it, that is prob one of the things i hate about how some of these guests do which is say "well i heard this study showed" without being able to analyze or rely the information correctly or just make up stuff or get bad sources, had a friend who did this all the time so i would just press on whos the source, was the study replicable, is there any monetary influence? etc...
Very true. Also Maslows hierarchy of needs. A Somali tribe has zero time to worry about having ADHD or Aspbergers. Its statistically less common because its not diagnosed.
Nakkikassi Agreed. My dad is a psychiatrist, and I remember him talking about reading in med school that they would basically leave them in the woods if they were going to be a lifetime burden. This guy is looking at half the facts and making the best possible conclusions.
hunter gatherer had shamans that had schizophrenic traits. schizophrenics were more respected in such societies I suppose. Schizophrenic state of mind is very similar to psychedelic experience induced by Ayahuasca and other planet psychedelics. I am not sure, I am just guessing.
At 28, I was very depressed, I ended up learning how to weld and became a Pipe Welder and learned a skill and get to take great pride everyday that will always provide me a source of income. People should learn a skill, just working some JOB will get you depressed too.
53:40 his response, was filled with so much love and pride you could see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice... crazy.. that little moment, kinda made me sad knowing I'll never experience that.
this was interesting, however made me wonder what if you like being alone? Does that mean there is something wrong? I moved away from people and love it.
Centrism is one of the worst ideologies on the planet and 70% of it has to do with it's dipshit adherents that go around saying dumb things, things like what you and Joe say. Centrism is a hollow ideology.
It's more about realizing that subscribing to a set of beliefs, like it's a combo meal is ridiculous. One should approach each idea and situation individually, and be flexible in belief. It's not about beating the other team.
Great stuff. Interesting to think about how much people are guided by genetic instinct, meanwhile being so fixated on their ego that they think the identity they created for themselves is something real.
44:00 If Hilary Clinton was in the Russian scandal like Trump was she would be prosecuted.....you mean if Hilary Clinton did something illegal she would be in prison. You mean like leaking private government info through her emails and then trying to hide it with programs to not get caught right? Right okay dude lmao. Hes saying its a double standard and isnt fair Trump isnt prosecuted and if Hilary was in charge she would be. They both got off because they are powerful and rich people. Its the complete opposite of double standards. Wish people who cant help being one sided of the political spectrum would stop talking about politics. If you cant be transparent and in the middle its so pointless for real lmao. Such a silly thing for him to say.
Powerful stuff, I think anyone with a history of or presently suffering from depression needs to watch this podcast for a better understanding of the condition.
Some native Americans preferred to live like the whites, particularly the Cherokee, who even had slaves at a higher percentage than white families had them. Probably in every culture there has been and is a subset of people who prefer a culture other than the one in which they were raised.
Coleman, Michael, C. American Indian Children at School, 1850-1930. University Press of Mississippi, 1993. Cooper, Michael, L. Indian School: Teaching the White Man’s Way. New York: Clarion Books, 1999. I wrote briefly about this here: thefourcornersoftheearth.com/liberty-lost-education-indoctrination Slaves of the Cherokee: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy#Slavery_among_the_Cherokee
Peter Kubicki Just read your sources. First off, those Cherokees were forced into assimilation. Any offspring that chose the colonial way of living did so because they were born into it and knew nothing else. To your second point. The slaves that were taken were war combatants they defeated. People conquering someone that was at war with them and taking the losers as slaves is VERY different than US slavery and been done all throughout history. Your nuance is terrible.
Definitely my favorite podcast. I'm a 52 years young man, and now I know what I'm going to do with my life. Retirement had it's benefits, but it has also left me unappreciated in society. It's time to make the change.
His opening premise is wildly off. Plenty of Native Americans assimilated into European-American society. From early missionary work, to later assimilation of entire tribes into the American panoply - history is replete with examples...
The grossly underestimated value of anonymity is well known to those who don't have any; It directly correlates to their level on the spectrum of fame and fortune.
His father was born in Dresden, Germany, of Russian, Austrian, Spanish, and Italian descent; he came to the United States during World War II because his own father had been Jewish.[
They are ignoring an important part of why middle age men commit suicide. Alimony. If you had to choose between giving 50% of your paycheck so your ex-wife can screw some other guy in the house you pay for. You would want to kill them or yourself.
You gotta feel for a man that is betrayed and played like that by the woman he loves. But on the other hand alot of men are the ones who cheat in the begginning than once the wife gets over the neglect and bounces on they can't handle the karma.
Sebastian Junger is an enlightened human being. It's really amazing to see the zen he possess and how at peace he is. The exact opposite however encompasses all the vitriol in the comment section. This has been a recurring thing and is always more prominent when a more open minded empethic person is on. And yes, you Trump supporters are as abhorrent and unforgivable as ISIS.
Everybody got along well together after hurricane Katrina except for that whole "George Bush doesn't care about black people" thing :/ Everybody got along well together except for all the shootings and all the looting :/
There were plenty of people during it that exploited the situation to loot. There have also been other catastrophes that show human greed over people trying to help. But I think the point was that for the genuinely good people, it was a bonding experience. He does seem to romanticize poverty, and the "old tribal days" but I think he is right about people having connections with each other. A lot of people, most people need that and thrive on it, and are happier with it. Someone like myself? Very introverted and quite misanthropic, not so much. But even I would be happier in a society more connected with each other. One of the biggest frustrations, really the only one in my life is not feeling like I am getting a fear shake from my employer, my bosses, and seeing others not be treated fairly either. Seeing people have to struggle and work hard to barely afford to live, while others make more and stand idle by talking and laughing while telling us we are behind and need to work faster.
I've heard other people I worked with say they had the same frustrations you wrote about above. Personally, I didn't concern myself with being treated fairly or if other people are working as hard or not. I just wanted to be left alone to do my job. In that way I was satisfied and happy.
It's regulared by puerile, immature children. A text format can often disguise certain facts which distort the sort of atmosphere you're really in. You'd never guess I was 11. There are also those who command armies of bots in our society - you have to be aware of that effect when accounting for the full picture.
Some of Jungers points about native Americans are foolish. My great grandfather was exiled from his tribe for marrying a black woman. They're not all lovey dovey. They also fought constant wars amongst themselves.
MayfallTribe or maybe it's just a strait out lie? Lol many slaves that ran away moved to live with the natives. Many times they were accepted into the tribe. There's a whole book about it. Look it up in amazon
If you've never seen Restrepo you need to pause this podcast and go watch it right now!! One of the best/most interesting films I've ever seen in my life. The shit those kids went through over there is indescribable...
I like listening to Sebastian, he thinks the way I do and it's really relatable. Like, why and how things happen in society, and the reasoning and the human psychology as to why that happens.. It's important but people rarely ever talk about it.
Credible, Perfect comment! With what President Trump had to contend with, dishonest liberal media, DNC corruption, etc, I would've supported his not accepting the election results. Ironic that it was the hilary campaign that colluded with the russians by leaking the baseless/factless/debunked "russian dossier".
I really appreciate this podcast as I do with all of your content. The knowledge, honesty, and perspective in this two hours really adds more depth and a new train of thought to my day. Which I enjoy. Thanks Joe!
Thank you Joe Rogan for providing yet another very relevant and meaningful discussion. Your podcasts are currently the best source I have for continued learning. I share a lot in common with your focus.
Joe, I am a pilot for a major airline in the USA. I listen to your podcast while cruising at Mach .84 at 35,000 feet. Sometimes i wonder what the passengers would say if they knew I was flying while listening to eddies conspiracy theroies. I love it. Cheers
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Mach 84? I don't think the average commercial aircraft can reach anywhere near that speed.
@@brockthorsen8783 .84. As in .84/1
@@miketeeger5167 Oh I didn't see that dot.
Well you should more than all of us whether the earth is flat or not!
This guest brought into words, ideas and beliefs I've had about society my whole life.
This is one of the best podcasts I've listened to in a long time. Thank you Rogan.
Couldn't agree more mate. Helped me understand why I feel like I'm serving a life sentance. Graft and bills, why!
I just listened to this and I wasn't expecting this from this podcast. I was expecting stuff about his movies more
Same i fucking love this podcast
@@adamlennon2282 You mean "craft" ?
@@wonka4 Hi, mate. I can't find my comment but you're probably right. Thanks for taking time out to correct me. Cheers👍
Wow, hope this guy becomes a regular on the podcast. Really interesting.
Joe gives his guests an open and encouraging way to express their view. That makes it interesting. He is fair
By far one of the best interviews Joe! Never heard of Sebastian Junger but man, that guy nailed it with depression. Humans definitely need community and support for a stable life.
Mr. Junger is absolutely correct. I was deployed to Iraq for 16 months in '05-'06 and when we got home, we all were super stoked about being back. Parties, drinking, living it up. Then a few months go by and the celebration doesn't help anymore. Depression sets in, PTSD in some cases, and you yearn for combat again. Then you get your 214 and you think life is gonna get better as you become a civilian again but it is never the same as it was before you deployed. Being a veteran in the civilian world these days is incredibly strange...I always wish for those days when I was back in Iraq with my brothers. Not to just mindlessly kill, but to belong and have the camaraderie...and to another extent, the adrenaline rush.
Man, you're too hardcore for me. You're also illiterate as fuck since you missed the part where I said "yearn for combat" and "wish for the days when I was back in Iraq" and "the adrenaline rush." Granted, reading isn't the average grunt's strong suit...but do try next time before you chest thump and try and act hard on the net.
csmithrun2 yeah miss the boys to
really appreciate your honesty - thank you very much for serving our country
csmithrun2 good luck on your "conversion" to being a civilian again. I think anything that gives you a huge rush can be hard to stop. Your body still yearns for it especially after they trained you to be a killing machine
Ya you had a fucking tribe, WELCOME TO MY FUCKING WORLD OF NO TRIBES!!! I coulda went off and been a redcoast 2.0 like a ton of my family, but why be a fucking tool for another empire. You know you hate being back? BECAUSE THIS FUCKING CULUTRE IDOLIZES THE FUCKING EGO, THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THE TRIBE. It's not any kind any kind of huge thing that you hate being back in a place where everyone is a fucking slave to the ego, self graitification, this ME FUCKING ME CULTURE. There is a real reason you wanna be back there and it's not because war is awesome, IT'S BECAUSE LIVING IN A CULURE OF THE EGO IS ALIVING FUCKING HELLHOLE!!!!!!!!!!! Hell a ton of my friends are products of what this ware pumps out, heroin is the biggest fucking thing ever, 90% of that heroin is being made in AFganistan. This aint no fucking coincidence just like that same thing going on in Vietnam isn't. If anything it shows what a whore out culture and our government has become. There's a reason why you'd rather be with you tribe............. there is no tribe here it's been enslaved by the ego. All vets need to get on the same page and realize they been turned out by a fucking pimp. I say this sadly as a member of a family duped by these fuckes, I do Xmas dinner hearing about the horseshit they deal with in Afganistan. Fuck this culture! The tribe is dead because of the fucking EGO!!!!!!!! Time for humans to step their fucking game up or you a slave!!
I am an electrician and when you finish a big job or bend conduit like a boss it makes you feel good and you can come back to thows things and say look I did that . my point is some of use are not meant to be scholars and have 200 thousand in debt. there is a real tangible satisfaction in doing trade work!
Bro, I really like this post. It is called spell check though, you need it in your life. People will not take you seriously if your post are incomprehensible. Much love.
This should be top comment.
Chad I agree, I learned how to level and mount headboards for a 10-story hotel job at work this month, like a docta! Not sayin I want to do it forever, but definitely got that feeling of satisfaction knowing I learned something new.
I work in a factory and whenever the construction/electricians come through I'm always impressed by them. Maybe it's not as hard as I think but I still appreciate that stuff
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"Move into a community where you have to be inter-reliant with the people around you and where you have to interact with them everyday."
How many other places do you hear this kind of advice?
Priceless.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and ideas Sebastian!
These little communities used to be known as neighborhoods back in the day lol
I've learned more in these 3 months of listening to this podcast than I have in my 10yrs of school.
It feels like a lot of people in this comments section have completely missed the point of Sebastians dialogue and that is extremely unfortunate as his message is actually quite beautiful...
Evan Green ...who haven’t traveled anywhere, I completely agree. I’ve been to Kazakhstan a few times and it makes me kind of depressed living in the US (I’m an American). I’d rather be there =\
I'm still in the beginning of this cast so I haven't gotten to all the haters and their B'S. One thing that I would disagree with is that his friend died in combat. This Sebastian is a filmmaker/journalist. So him filmming in War/combat zones and being killed does not mean KIA! It only means one was killed in a combat zone.
Wow what a stand up guy. Seems like a genuinely great person.
This guy is provoking a lot of hatred in the comments. I have no idea why, he's not even overtly political and doesnt seem like he's proselytising when he does mention his opinions. He mostly is trying to communicate how the speed of the development of affluent society has overtaken our biological capability to adapt it. A lot of crazy hostile reactions here
Because it hits home. Some people see the truth in what he is saying, don't want to, and become defensive and hostile.
Amen
Something about sitting in front of a keyboard brings out the worst people and the worst in people. People seem to think they are better, smarter and stronger then they actually are when they see the miracle of technology take their dark, misguided thoughts and put them for all to see. One would expect that it would make them more humble, knowing that there is no taking it back once in writing and on the internet no less but alas ... the fine line between fantasy and reality is the most murky in the deep dark cyber world.
uhhhh ... is it not his rRight to hold an opinion and speak it? Freedom Baby. USA! lol
Yeah ... awfulness is subjective though too. And I find myself very confused/shocked by internet/general hate as well. But alas ... if you surf you must be aware of all the things in the ocean just looking to eat you ... unfortunately, in the ocean its sharks and on the internet it's trolls. lol
The best thing my parents did for me when I turned 12 was to move from a large city to a small town.
After a short adjustment period I gradually changed from a socially isolated kid who watched TV 8+ hours a day to someone with loads of friends who played a multitude of sports. The catalyst was the space and the easy-going people who knew each other well and were respectful.
Yes but doesnt it happen that later your friends move out to bigger cities when they reach their late teens and 20s ?
I love it when little abstract labels like "capitalist" and "socialist" get thrown around against a man who is simply making the clear scientific point that for much of our evolution and existence as humans we lived in small egalitarian communities.
Just wanted to put something into perspective:
1 million seconds = 12 days
1 billion seconds = 32 years
1 trillion seconds = 31,710 years
So we can put time into perspective. It's hard to put money into perspective. But the Pentagon lost $6.5 trillion dollars of our tax money.
6.5 trillion seconds = 206,115 years
if I second = $1. That's a shit ton of money.
Actually, 1 billion seconds are about 32 years.
schubbel 31 years 251 days give or take (leap years and all that)
someone watches vsauce 😂
I actually don't.
john doe thank you
Nice insight on bankers with blood on their hands at the 25 min mark. Biggest f'n crooks of all time.
BedHead982 I feel like people don't talk about this kind of shit enough these days and both left and right hate bankers.
yeah completely agree man fucking idiots getting but hurt and whining and crying about anything that sounds slightly liberal or socialist or whatever and then on the other side fucking idiots whining and crying at anything that sounds slightly right wing ,racist and whatever .
And then when the subject of bankers come up "oh yeah i guess the bankers are bad and all ... BUT THE FUCKING LIBERALS THESE DAYS THEY ARE GONNA BE THE DEATH OF US ALL!!!!" and then the fucking short sighted liberal on the other hand " OH NUUUUUU ITS THE END OF THE WORLD EVERYONE ON THE RIGHT IS A FACIST THEY ARE GONNA BE THE DEATH OFF US ALLL!!!"
And at the end of the day its the bankers and their cronies and all the greedy , selfish power-hungry fuckers on top of ALL of you that are gonna fuck up your oh so beloved america ,
enjoy motherfuckers at least you all get to play a nice little role in your pathetic self destruction .
im a bricklayer and work hard everyday i think hard work is good for your mentel health
lmao
You will be replaced by robots.
You should become an astrophysicist instead.
Mark Caseon Lol Maybe in 30 years. You obviously have no clue what you’re talking about.
Luke Beeston
>mentel health
Ironic.
It has become quite clear to me that people do not take the time to follow every word a speaker dictates, so they fall into the trap of outrage over an statement that was not invoked.
Just moved from downtown Detroit to a small town in West Virginia to work at a VA hospital. As a veteran who experienced depression analogous to what Mr. Junger is talking about, being in a small community where people wave, say hello, and have seemingly frivolous conversations, as well as being back around other vets at the VA, has instantaneously made me much more fulfilled and happier. His approach may not be true for everyone, but definitely is for me...
Joe Rogan I love you and hope you never stop helping people!!!! You have changed my life completely
Such a potent conversation. If this kind of information was mainstream, we would be a lot less confused as a culture.
"She wanted something *good* to die for
To make it beautiful to live"
"It might make me (self medicating or antidepressants) feel good enough to accept a life that isn't working very well." Hmmm. Thought provoking about how you should not "deprive" yourself of meeting life's trials head on, by numbing the pain. (17:00-18:00).
I grew up in Simi Valley, CA and my street was tight knit, with other kids and older folks who had been there forever. Everyone knew each other and we'd have BBQs and block parties between the families, and the elders were all of our grandmas and grandpas. During the '94 quake we banded together, shared food, and the men went around checking homes, turning off gas lines, and we lived through that together by taking care of each other. Some of the men carried their handguns to protect against any stuff coming in from the valley, and it really was a great experience knowing everyone on the street and taking care of each other. We moved to SCV around high school and lost all of that, going to a bigger house with more backyard in a "better" neighborhood, and the was a total difference in happiness. Nobody knew anybody, everyone kept to themselves, and one particular summer we had some bad fires and it seemed like every man for themselves in the neighborhood as people. There's definitely a lot of value in choosing to live in a tight knit place.
These are the best talk shows around. Probably ever. Rogan can engage with anyone on any topic. I really think this is his main talent - even more than commentary and stand up - and his commentary is a major part of why UFC is enjoyable. He's happy to bare his soul and encourage others to bare theirs, is curious about everything, and sufficiently well informed to steer the conversation to interesting places.
This was fascinating, utterly profound.
Just watched his Doc Restrepo truly gives u a real sense of how tough the men and women are who serve this country, Now about to watch Hell on Earth, Sebastian great job of just showing the brave soldiers and their stories, most of all Rip Juan doc Restrepo whom the small base of Restrepo was named after, GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN!!!!!!
What's with all the dislikes? Although it's short, this podcast is a really entertaining one IMO
It's because Junger doesn't have any eyebrows
I am curious as well, can't find any negative comments tho
I've listened to probably 300+ episodes of this podcast over the years and I think I can say I enjoyed this one the most. Fascinating topic. Will be reading Tribe for sure.
Not the longest podcast, but def one of the best lately.
Trey Parker & Matt Stone, creators of South Park - Episode 1000! Make it happen!
Hell yes.
chainsawmidnight No, Episode #1000 = Elon Musk.
MIKE TYSON FOR EPISODE 1000!
i dont get it whats so interesting they would have to say?
Kim Jong Un for ep 1000. Make it happen
that construction job sounds like the council in ireland a days work for two men takes a week with 5 men
Joe makes me wanna crack open a cold one with the boys.
I spent 5 years in the Army Infantry, some of the hardest and most trying years of my life... and I miss it all the time.
This guy is amazing, intelligently educated on the topics discussed. Would love to see him again.
Life DEMANDS struggle.
Your existence, ALL of existence, is made pure through struggle. Which side are you on?
"We should be moving more towards modernity and science."
"We should moving back to our more traditional, natural, primitive state. "
- Joe Rogan
Joe will nearly always agree with what his guests say even if it contradicts something he said previously. He's trying to appeal to everybody but just ends up compromising his integrity.
Domingo Stevens as with most things in life it's a balance bro
He's also ensuring the conversation doesn't come to a standstill, or switching to meaningless argument. There's a value in letting a guest feel comfortable enough to give more and more of what they think and have to say. Also, context for a comment is vital--always. Extracting ideas from their context is usually destructive.
Domingo Stevens if only there was a way to do both. embrace modern marvels but go back to our social roots. not with 7 billion tho
both
This podcast is awesome and I'm 15 minutes in. Junger is so on point it's ridiculous. Even us lower middle class white guys get joy and satisfaction in accomplishment. Whether in work or personally. Do something good and new everyday. Just keep pushing forward.
I always learn so much from JRE. I had a theory that my drug addiction spawned out of complacency. I felt like I was choosing to put my life and health at risk because there were no great threats to survive against. I think this could be the same for others and may shed some light on how to treat drug addiction for people who feel the same. Thanks Joe and Thanks Sebastian. Also, Restrepo was brilliant Doc. I watched it 6 times when it came on Netflix years ago. Well Done Sir!
This is one of the most resonating podcasts I've heard in a while, all around, different shows different hosts different content. Loved this ep.
:-) "I want something good to die for, To make it beautiful to live". We are all, Queens of the Stoneage. :-)
Wonderful man, wonderful podcast, wonderful information. Thanks Joe, you are just the best man. Love ya dude.
Restrepo - watch it. perspective changing
Seen it mate, have you read the book WAR. Gives even more in sight.
As a psychiatric nurse my guess is that in more "primitive" societies there is less schizophrenia because schizophrenics die out in harsh conditions. Not because this more "healthier" lifestyle prevents psychosis.
bob rapant Also (sorry long comment coming) The point he made about identical twins didn't make sense. The experiment didn't show that political beliefs are genetic, it simply showed that identical twins are more likely to think alike than ordinary siblings are, which isn't surprising since they are genetically identical and thus will have similar brain chemistry which could produce similar thought processes.
The experiment did nothing to show that political beliefs are a product of genetics since their beliefs were not compared to their parents and grandparents etc to see if any patterns emerge independent of being raised by them.
If anything, if it had been the fraternal twins who'd shown similarities in political beliefs despite being raised in different environments, then THAT would have been a sign of political beliefs being potentially genetic, since the fraternal twins are less likely to think alike than the identical twins, so if they did think alike, then a reason to explain it could be a shared genetic trait inherited from their parents.
That experiment was either badly analysed or just completely irrelevant to what the original author tried to link it to. I think Joe realised that but let it slide.
Trajan yea i noticed joe questioning on that but not pressing him hard on that because he prob wanted to hear his thoughts out but you gotta call bull when you hear it, that is prob one of the things i hate about how some of these guests do which is say "well i heard this study showed" without being able to analyze or rely the information correctly or just make up stuff or get bad sources, had a friend who did this all the time so i would just press on whos the source, was the study replicable, is there any monetary influence? etc...
Very true. Also Maslows hierarchy of needs. A Somali tribe has zero time to worry about having ADHD or Aspbergers. Its statistically less common because its not diagnosed.
Nakkikassi Agreed. My dad is a psychiatrist, and I remember him talking about reading in med school that they would basically leave them in the woods if they were going to be a lifetime burden. This guy is looking at half the facts and making the best possible conclusions.
hunter gatherer had shamans that had schizophrenic traits. schizophrenics were more respected in such societies I suppose. Schizophrenic state of mind is very similar to psychedelic experience induced by Ayahuasca and other planet psychedelics. I am not sure, I am just guessing.
One of the best JRE of the year hands down!
Junger is one of the most interesting people I've ever listened to. What an exciting podcast this was. Thank you Joe, Thank you Mr Junger.
1,000th podcast should be Jamie
I really needed this one
Same
Sebastian seems like a typical leader type, instead we have Lizards and narcists to choose beetwen
At 28, I was very depressed, I ended up learning how to weld and became a Pipe Welder and learned a skill and get to take great pride everyday that will always provide me a source of income. People should learn a skill, just working some JOB will get you depressed too.
53:40 his response, was filled with so much love and pride you could see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice... crazy.. that little moment, kinda made me sad knowing I'll never experience that.
this was interesting, however made me wonder what if you like being alone? Does that mean there is something wrong? I moved away from people and love it.
If your team is the "left" or the "right" you're an idiot.
so your team is the "center"
+Armenian Genocide Denier this coming from "Armenian Genocide Denier", troll harder fuckboy ;)
Centrism is one of the worst ideologies on the planet and 70% of it has to do with it's dipshit adherents that go around saying dumb things, things like what you and Joe say. Centrism is a hollow ideology.
It's more about realizing that subscribing to a set of beliefs, like it's a combo meal is ridiculous. One should approach each idea and situation individually, and be flexible in belief. It's not about beating the other team.
Jay Theyme yeah, idk. I feel like contributing every human thought and action to the way we evolved is kinda like circumsizing a mosquito
Great stuff. Interesting to think about how much people are guided by genetic instinct, meanwhile being so fixated on their ego that they think the identity they created for themselves is something real.
Thank you for sharing your depression about returning from Restrepo and what you learned from it. Can't thank you enough.
Sebastian Junger just changed my entire outlook on life....
44:00 If Hilary Clinton was in the Russian scandal like Trump was she would be prosecuted.....you mean if Hilary Clinton did something illegal she would be in prison. You mean like leaking private government info through her emails and then trying to hide it with programs to not get caught right? Right okay dude lmao. Hes saying its a double standard and isnt fair Trump isnt prosecuted and if Hilary was in charge she would be. They both got off because they are powerful and rich people. Its the complete opposite of double standards. Wish people who cant help being one sided of the political spectrum would stop talking about politics. If you cant be transparent and in the middle its so pointless for real lmao. Such a silly thing for him to say.
Great podcast way too short.
I don't understand why people go and shoot up schools when we have plenty of bankers to kill.
AlcholicSpaceEater I know that’s wrong, but it feels so right ;)
Haha...i think the same thing
Banksters*
Half an hour into this podcast and it's fantastic, plus he's using Queens of the Stone Age lyrics, I'm completely sold!
Powerful stuff, I think anyone with a history of or presently suffering from depression needs to watch this podcast for a better understanding of the condition.
Some native Americans preferred to live like the whites, particularly the Cherokee, who even had slaves at a higher percentage than white families had them. Probably in every culture there has been and is a subset of people who prefer a culture other than the one in which they were raised.
Peter Kubicki Cite your source, I'm interested.
Coleman, Michael, C. American Indian Children at School, 1850-1930. University Press of Mississippi, 1993.
Cooper, Michael, L. Indian School: Teaching the White Man’s Way. New York: Clarion Books, 1999.
I wrote briefly about this here: thefourcornersoftheearth.com/liberty-lost-education-indoctrination
Slaves of the Cherokee: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy#Slavery_among_the_Cherokee
They took slaves long before we ever showed up
Jakeeyy1009 Persian culture along with a lil bit of Greek (fucking lil boys in the ass).
Peter Kubicki Just read your sources. First off, those Cherokees were forced into assimilation. Any offspring that chose the colonial way of living did so because they were born into it and knew nothing else. To your second point. The slaves that were taken were war combatants they defeated. People conquering someone that was at war with them and taking the losers as slaves is VERY different than US slavery and been done all throughout history. Your nuance is terrible.
I'm only 16 minutes in but this is great ! ! ! ! go on lads ! ! ! !
Half these comments: "YA GATDAMN LIBTARD!!"
Love this episode. Love to have him back for the full 3 hours
Definitely my favorite podcast. I'm a 52 years young man, and now I know what I'm going to do with my life. Retirement had it's benefits, but it has also left me unappreciated in society. It's time to make the change.
His opening premise is wildly off. Plenty of Native Americans assimilated into European-American society. From early missionary work, to later assimilation of entire tribes into the American panoply - history is replete with examples...
Dave Chappelle for JRE #1000
I remember the days that JRE only had 400,000 subs. Now the comments are all about hating on Joe. You ungrateful fucks!
Because he's an asshole liar scumbag. Very natural to hate bastards like these two sitting in that chair spewing their filthy propaganda.
gratuitous1 elaborate
dagonthewise iii what's the matter little boy, evil people crash your safe-space?
Joe is officially "POWERFUL" . Probably one of the most decent influential persons in all of social media today! Haters gon' hate !
The grossly underestimated value of anonymity is well known to those who don't have any; It directly correlates to their level on the spectrum of fame and fortune.
In my humble opinion, the most important interview Joe Rogan has ever had.
This was a really good one. I wish it was longer.
His father was born in Dresden, Germany, of Russian, Austrian, Spanish,
and Italian descent; he came to the United States during World War II because his own father had been Jewish.[
They are ignoring an important part of why middle age men commit suicide. Alimony.
If you had to choose between giving 50% of your paycheck so your ex-wife can screw some other guy in the house you pay for. You would want to kill them or yourself.
That is not apart of the larger issue.
762Hawkeye alimony needs to be abolished.
You gotta feel for a man that is betrayed and played like that by the woman he loves. But on the other hand alot of men are the ones who cheat in the begginning than once the wife gets over the neglect and bounces on they can't handle the karma.
That's not as common of a thing as you're making it out to be.
Sebastian Junger just quoted Queens of the stone age to Joe rogan. This is the matrix. Control alt delete!!
This guy always put our great documentaries, smart guy
one of the best modern writers of our time. what he has said in just 10 min has resonated like crazy with me.
Sebastian Junger is an enlightened human being. It's really amazing to see the zen he possess and how at peace he is. The exact opposite however encompasses all the vitriol in the comment section. This has been a recurring thing and is always more prominent when a more open minded empethic person is on.
And yes, you Trump supporters are as abhorrent and unforgivable as ISIS.
Are we DEPLORABLE? :)
I am a green frog and I have a sense of purpose
I like frogs they look like cgi from te 90s
Riiiiiiighhhtt...
his forehead is the same size as his face
@@worshipexplicit haha I just thought when he faced the camera, "damn, dude is kinda strange looking"
Why does Joe seem even more bald than normal on this podcast?
great podcast would really like to see a full 3 hours with Junger
This is one of my favorite podcasts. For all that we've gained, we have also lost so much. A life in balance is a slippery slope.
Josh Homme on the podcast.Make it happen.
j0hnny -
yes, with Dave Grohl
The Federal reserve crashed the economy Bruh...economics 101
Everybody got along well together after hurricane Katrina except for that whole "George Bush doesn't care about black people" thing :/ Everybody got along well together except for all the shootings and all the looting :/
😒😂😂
and all the looting and robbing and all the gangs that infested texas and drove the crime rates up to bonkers levels.
yes
There were plenty of people during it that exploited the situation to loot. There have also been other catastrophes that show human greed over people trying to help. But I think the point was that for the genuinely good people, it was a bonding experience. He does seem to romanticize poverty, and the "old tribal days" but I think he is right about people having connections with each other. A lot of people, most people need that and thrive on it, and are happier with it. Someone like myself? Very introverted and quite misanthropic, not so much. But even I would be happier in a society more connected with each other. One of the biggest frustrations, really the only one in my life is not feeling like I am getting a fear shake from my employer, my bosses, and seeing others not be treated fairly either. Seeing people have to struggle and work hard to barely afford to live, while others make more and stand idle by talking and laughing while telling us we are behind and need to work faster.
I've heard other people I worked with say they had the same frustrations you wrote about above. Personally, I didn't concern myself with being treated fairly or if other people are working as hard or not. I just wanted to be left alone to do my job. In that way I was satisfied and happy.
The first 15 minutes of this alone is so insightful
Amazing conversation that needs to be replayed. Epic. Lot's of good information. Great content. Thanks
As usual, the youtube comment section is a cancerous vacuous pit. Why does Joe attract so many pseudo-alpha inbreds?
I know right? Their tribalism has corrupted their brains' cognitive functions.
Spot on
Didn't you just do the exact same thing you were complaining about though?
It's regulared by puerile, immature children. A text format can often disguise certain facts which distort the sort of atmosphere you're really in. You'd never guess I was 11. There are also those who command armies of bots in our society - you have to be aware of that effect when accounting for the full picture.
Why so many dislikes? 20 minutes in
Cuz people are pathetic and ignorant. They lack mental flexibility
He says some anticapitalist things. Joe Rogan's crowd are mostly fanbois of capitalism.
or the religious. They dont care for evolution and psychology.
No clue, this pod is dope
Some of Jungers points about native Americans are foolish. My great grandfather was exiled from his tribe for marrying a black woman. They're not all lovey dovey. They also fought constant wars amongst themselves.
True. The Iroquois Federation, in present day New York was vicious according to Kupchan in How Enemies Become Friends.
subj3ctt0chang3 isnt that just an isolated example??
Which tribe?
MayfallTribe or maybe it's just a strait out lie? Lol many slaves that ran away moved to live with the natives. Many times they were accepted into the tribe. There's a whole book about it. Look it up in amazon
Many Native American Tribes were African slave owners.
If you've never seen Restrepo you need to pause this podcast and go watch it right now!! One of the best/most interesting films I've ever seen in my life. The shit those kids went through over there is indescribable...
I like listening to Sebastian, he thinks the way I do and it's really relatable. Like, why and how things happen in society, and the reasoning and the human psychology as to why that happens.. It's important but people rarely ever talk about it.
Oliver Stone for 1000!!!
yes it would be horrible if a presidential candidate did not accept the results of the election... 😎
cough cough, I wonder who would ever do that
Soul Thompson cough cough she joined "the resistance"
Credible, Perfect comment! With what President Trump had to contend with, dishonest liberal media, DNC corruption, etc, I would've supported his not accepting the election results. Ironic that it was the hilary campaign that colluded with the russians by leaking the baseless/factless/debunked "russian dossier".
Al Gore?
But she literally called him and personally accepted the loss hours after the election...
One day Joseph might choose to have a real mutherfucking Indian on his podcast.
Nah everytime there's a lot of drinking on the podcast it goes to shit
Danny Rosales funny but true . yeah rogan, have chase iron eyes on the show.
Danny Rosales why does someones race matter?
Culture.
Nah he'll only have white guys ridden with guilt on to talk about how bad it is that white people destroyed the peace loving innocent natives.
This particular podcast was really profound for me and resonated a lot with how I feel. Absolute beautiful stuff here.
I really appreciate this podcast as I do with all of your content. The knowledge, honesty, and perspective in this two hours really adds more depth and a new train of thought to my day. Which I enjoy. Thanks Joe!
This guy should have a conversation with Jordan Peterson.
Right wingers: Leftists are snowflakes but if you talk about Trump I'll cry.
dt!
Get H3H3 on. not for #1000 but just at some point
No he's a bum.
Thank you Joe Rogan for providing yet another very relevant and meaningful discussion. Your podcasts are currently the best source I have for continued learning. I share a lot in common with your focus.
Brilliant guest, fantastic discussion, amazing episode.