This is a very good (and completely correct!) take on the film but yet again you forget to mention the Ozzie and Harriet scene! where the narrator likens him and Tyler to the famous married tv couple while doing domestic household things for each other like cooking and the narrator fixing Tyler's bowtie like for me that's a MAJOR indicator of what their relationship was, basically a marriage at that point
one of my favourite analyses yet! i definitely think the undertones were far from unintentional, and this perspective definitely adds a layer to the main characters and themes of the book/film that sort of tie a lot of loose ends together. i recall in a movie commentary between the main actors and the director, Fincher even refers to the scene where jack and tyler (share an indirect kiss, might I add) are drinking after their first fight as “post-coital”, which, do with that information what you will. I also recall the scene of jack and tyler talking in the bathroom as a reshoot (the original was supposedly them just talking on a couch) to emphasise the extent of their comfort with each other. it’s up in the air the topic of just what the narrator’s sexuality exactly is which I do appreciate because it’s a compelling topic of discussion. personally, I see him as bisexual because I interpreted his attraction to marla as being genuine, however I can imagine him struggling with his simultaneous attraction to the same sex slightly more due to his likely very heteronormative upbringing and unfamiliarity with navigating emotional intimacy with other men as a result of his father leaving, which was addressed great in this video ^^
Beautifully put. And thank you for the additional insight regarding the “post coital” comments. He even had to say “we should do this again sometime”. The same thing you say to someone after a first date.
I definitely noticed while watching the movie lol, but I think all those homosexual innuendos were meant to represent the insecurities or anxieties that many straight men feel over being thought of as gay for even just having a friendship with another man, wanting a father figure, or doing some hyper masculine activity like fighting. The movie is full of elements that represent demasculinization of various kinds, be it the narrator's dead end job, Marla's dominance, or the testicular cancer support group and Bob's gynecomastia. I'm a woman so I can't claim to truly understand much of that, but I have seen a lot of men get accused of being gay for being too feminine, being too masculine, sometimes even just breathing in the wrong way, and I can only imagine that could cause stress, anxiety, repressed emotions and taking distance from healthy vulnerability and human connection. Which I think does connect with the main theme of the movie. Also, ever since I experimented some with other women intimately, people in my life seem incapable of letting go of the theory that I must a lesbian or bisexual. Everything I do or say seems to be taken in that direction and it gets kinda frustrating sometimes. Not that I really care, but sometimes I just kinda wish there was any way I could convince people that I really am straight. That kinda makes me relate a bit to what many straight men seem to be dealing with. Except for them it's on a much larger, societal scale. So I really don't get the impression that either the narrator or Durden are gay, but rather just aware of how quick society is to emasculate men. I think the bus scene kinda shows that. Durden even kinda points it out with the way he perceives that ad. At least that's kinda what I got from it, the way he asks "is that what a man is?" He comes across to me as not caring if people think he's gay just because he's really into being masculine and appreciates it in his fellow men, but the narrator (I think) is still plagued by the fear of being seen as gay, as he doesn't even dare to ask Tyler if he can stay at his place, out of this fear. I think that's also why Tyler chooses to shove gay porn into the movies he edits, as a way to control this fear, or to remind others of how much their fear of it controls them. So yes I think this homosexual imagery in the movie is absolutely intentional, but I think it's mocking and testing the characters, not describing them. The way that these things are portrayed in the movie, comes across to me like the straight man's view of homosexuality. It's too overt, to the points it's an attack on the characters. The gun in the mouth, the threat of homelessness unless you stay with another man, the pain associated with the physical contact, the unexpectedly forced pornography, the ad shoved down their faces. This is a straight man's fear, not a gay man's dream.
Wow. Nice, well-argued response here. I thank you for sharing and I hope people take the time to read this. In my videos I'm merely posting my opinions and thoughts, though I am extremely open-minded. At the very least, I want to open a dialogue and these are the types of comments I hope for!
And a man can go it alone and stay single. For the ring, you don’t fight with a ring on. I think it’s all how people interpret things. I do enjoy the breakdowns of this movie
Definitely don’t fight with a ring on. Any chance there is some subtext behind him taking the ring off though? And how about the other gentleman who takes his belt off… do you really want to fight with your pants falling down?
@@bizarrebreakdowns The point is not having any hard object so belts obviously have to go, just like rings or shoes. Sexualizing the movie misses its point entirely. Giving up on material possessions and status symbols, putting oneself in survival mode is the furthest thing from sex. The whole point of them reaching for "rock bottom" is to focus only on things that are essential to their survival, which sex isn't in the slightest. An evidence of this is Tyler's neglect for Marla, using her for sex without any façade. He doesn't care at all if she stays or not because he is completely detached from sex. The vision of masculinity and society being rejected is exactly the one that makes sex (or sexuality) the only goal and defining trait of individuals. They create the fight club as a "man space" devoid of any consideration of social status and totally unrelated to the sexual competition going on in the rest of the world. This is apparent in the fact that Marla ruined help groups for the narrator because he is attracted to her and as such, his superego is telling him to act a certain way to appeal to her thus he cannot let go anymore, being faced once again with his insufficiencies and perceived rejection. Sexualizing this movie is akin to these brain-rotted porn addicts that find a thirsty comment to make under any social media post featuring a woman. It's projecting sexual meaning because you cannot imagine something not being about sex.
Again I appreciate your point, and agree with most of it, but are the two really mutually exclusive? Given all the layers of FC can't both be true. Especially considering the author is a gay man... You really think he didn't slide anything in there. @@FlyingPastilla
Really glad you’re enjoying. Just getting started. We’ve got a long journey ahead down the Fight Club rabbit hole. And I’m not stopping until I interview Chuck 💪
Ok, I see! But what’s the relation/ link between what you say and the personae/ shadow explained by others? I like your side and want to learn more of it.. seems to be the missing part of all other analysis👍🏻 thank you
@@bizarrebreakdowns you know what, I’m spending the last hour watching/ listening at all your videos about FC, you already gave an answer to all of my questions. I meant by shadow, Carl Jung shadow theory about the hidden part of someone and how can someone be jealous of himself, then I watched a bunch of your videos and figured out that he was jealous of his part which is liberated from any limit and fully expresses itself.. there are too many profound meanings that lead to a better understanding of ourselves, being male or female!
I totally agree with you. We are the audience in Tyler’s theater. We are the customers in Tyler’s restaurant. We think we are watching and eating something we came for but subconsciously being served something different in it. That’s why Tyler has those jobs. That’s why flashy Tyler appears until the end. Marla and Tyler , their characteristics are mostly same, so they have sex. They are Brave, not scared , independent and open to sex. In the beginning , the narrator couldn’t accept Marla , he named her Tumor. Tumor appears in body . that means she is in him from the beginning. In the ice world She was there. That’s what the Narrator actually wanted to be. He just didn’t want to accept her because that’s what he was taught in the society. At the end he accepted her( his female side of himself.) He tried to be Tyler but he just couldn’t be Tyler. He is more kind to human. FC is a beautiful genius story about a man accepting true himself.
He had to create an alter go so he could be with Marla because he feels emasculated. And only in the end when he reintegrated Tyler in his personallity could he have a real relationship with her.
I personally don't think that the narrator is gay, i think they add these gay innuendos just to add to the confusion and mixed emotions of the whole film. The film is gay and straight, its a parody and its serious, its fashionable and unfashionable. It's the entire beauty of the film. The whole thing is one big contradiction of itself.
Original take but I'd say than a lot of these hints only look gay because it's about emasculating the narrator or affirming masculinity in a way that isn't related to sex such as fighting. The lines after the bar scene and the first fight are mostly there to add either mockery or some form of humourous twist. It is especially used as contrast because it's so far removed from sex. The Gucci ads are clearly mocked as well and Tyler's vision of masculinity is especially opposed to it. It's about saying the metrosexual masculinity is making men feminine and destroying their essence, not proposing any of it is appealing. All in all, one can choose to see these hints as homosexual undertones between the two characters but at this point it's more personal projections than actual movie meaning. From such a standpoint everything can become gay, from your boss paying you to some guy putting gas in his car.
Appreciate this take here. Wondering your thoughts on the “big rubbery one” comment. It felt to me, especially when reading the book that Palahniuk (a gay man) purposefully peppered some gay subtleties in there.
I mean, from the perspective of Greco-Roman mythological heroism, particularly from the story of like Ovid’s metamorphosis, homosexuality and homosexual overtones are about as masculine as you could possibly get. I don’t know if Tyler/narrator are gay explicitly, I think narrator is more complicated than just mere labels. Narrator and marla do in fact have a child together in the sequel. That said I think the homosexual symbolism does the back into the Greco-Roman ideal, and that’s the point of the symbolism at least in terms of the film.
To be honest they're more or less rather in a codependent relationship feeding off of what's left of eachothers brain matter, from my understanding it wasn't romantic for them whatsoever. and it would be really lame if it was the case, seeing as there's very little chemistry between them in the first place. It isn't a happy story for them that centers around love whatsoever
For those ppl out there a bit weirded out like me, Coexist homosexuality and The main aspects and ideologies, like what tyler belives in (monk, anti-consersumerism, anarchist,etc) and how to improve your life. this movie is great focus on the meassge not on this particular detail
But the pornography frame he splices into the movie is straight, not gay, because it’s a woman’s voice we hear in the split second frame. Not to detract from any of the other points you have made because I do completely agree with you.
You're absolutely right. It is a woman's moan, but what does Tyler say shows up on screen? "A Nice Big ****" PS, he just had to call it 'nice'. Another example
@@bizarrebreakdowns Agreed. By the way, I love your breakdown videos; Fight Club is still my favorite film of all time. Seriously, love your videos! Awesome work.
The homosexual undertones depict the mental state of narrator facing masculinity crisis and nihilism. It does not mean that the narrator was actually homosexual but just his mind was swaying and swivelling. And this is more clear when Narrator questions tyler in train as to what a man looks like.
Bro, I have so many thoughts. Let's hop on a podcast and hash this out. What I will say, though, is in the theater scene, he's "splicing single frames of pornography into family films." There's no reference to gay or straight. But the voice you hear moaning is a woman, then Tyler says, " Nice, big, _____." That is 100% straight. Not disagreeing with everything else you pointed out, but, I have so many notes. Good channel. You've earned my sub.
I think it's wrong and ironically fatherless to assume Fight Club, or its messages, are inherently masculine because of the aggressive imagery alone. As you say, fighting is very much symbolic, for whatever it's meant to symbolize, and then again, fighting by itself is not a virtue. It's a means to an end, meant to be purposeful, in classic literature and the masculine themes that fight club in fact goes against. Its subversiveness, nihilism, and rebelling not against an oppressor, or for the community's sake, but against it and against oneself, are blatantly aligned with anti-heroism, or if you would, the devil, opposing classical masculinity, which in turn is critical of homosexuality.
I am pretty open to the narrator being gay But I dont think he is, I don't think any of the points make sense more than people over interpreting allegedly clever meaningless modern art. I dont think most things that is mentioned carries that much of a meaning, and it just seems like pure speculation that can be done on any movie. Like you can take the handshake scene of Predator and say it represents they are two lovers longing to see eachother and wanna have gay sex. Most of it just felt like making a gay joke on two guy friends who are close, like just telling them : ugh, you two should get a room. Most the points mentioned felt that way. And narrator being possessive of Tyler is a fact, it is openly showed in the movie, but I think the narrator just saw Tyler as his father, it is ironic considering in the book when asked by the narrator who was he fighting in his head when he fought the narrator, Tyler replies: My father (since Narrator was the creator of Tyler) I think the phrases like "a big rubbery one", is like an expression in general, like people would say stuff like : movie so good it made me f**** c*m This is a movie about freedom, but it certainly don't feel like its directly about homosexuality (though freedom actually includes that too) like the movie Moonlight (which is a sort of similar movie about freedom but also includes Homosexuality with coming of age) a personal favourite of mine
I do think that most of the homosexual innuendos are because the narrator has prostate cancer and that he's about to lose his.. Yeah. That. Like Tyler, Marla ain't real either. Marla is what he worries he'll turn into once his *that* gets chopped off, while Tyler is his masculine side that he doesn't wanna let go. That's why you see Tyler and Marla "doing it" as in a way that his sides are on conflict. Bob isn't real either I mean, that's just a theory because of the scene where fight club members tried to chop off his *that*. Then in the end it shows a naked man as in, he went for the surgery (he won't have it dressed on) Now I don't think it was meant anything about homosexuality because of Marla, so perhaps bisexuality?
I've heard and appreciate this theory. It's also interesting that when Tyler and Marla are doing there thing, it almost sounds like they are battling (symbolising the narrator's internal battle? and his impending bisexuality)
as a queer person, i think the way straight people analyze queer media is. interesting. a man is not queer because he doesn’t have a father. his father being absent affected how he reacted to his homosexuality. and no, queerness is not an undertone in this movie. it’s an overtone in every situation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think I suggested that his absent father had anything to do with his queerness? Also, I think there is definitely both undertones and overtones!
Why do people equate the whole movie into being about queerness, and call others dumb online for taking anything else from it other than it being about gays.
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This is a very good (and completely correct!) take on the film but yet again you forget to mention the Ozzie and Harriet scene! where the narrator likens him and Tyler to the famous married tv couple while doing domestic household things for each other like cooking and the narrator fixing Tyler's bowtie
like for me that's a MAJOR indicator of what their relationship was, basically a marriage at that point
You're absolutely right. Unfortunately, the Ozzie and Harriet reference went right over my head. Never heard of them or seen the show.
Car crash scene, Tyler also says "is something on your mind dear?"
Kudos to this guy for exploring many different interpretations, theories, etc and not being afraid to dive into controversial topics.
Covering every aspect here on BB
I think the homosexual innuendo is more clear when you narrate the plot like that 😭
Needless to say is that the writer, Chuck Palahniuk, actually is gay. So all these references don't surprise me at all 😉
Indeed he is!
one of my favourite analyses yet! i definitely think the undertones were far from unintentional, and this perspective definitely adds a layer to the main characters and themes of the book/film that sort of tie a lot of loose ends together. i recall in a movie commentary between the main actors and the director, Fincher even refers to the scene where jack and tyler (share an indirect kiss, might I add) are drinking after their first fight as “post-coital”, which, do with that information what you will. I also recall the scene of jack and tyler talking in the bathroom as a reshoot (the original was supposedly them just talking on a couch) to emphasise the extent of their comfort with each other.
it’s up in the air the topic of just what the narrator’s sexuality exactly is which I do appreciate because it’s a compelling topic of discussion. personally, I see him as bisexual because I interpreted his attraction to marla as being genuine, however I can imagine him struggling with his simultaneous attraction to the same sex slightly more due to his likely very heteronormative upbringing and unfamiliarity with navigating emotional intimacy with other men as a result of his father leaving, which was addressed great in this video ^^
Beautifully put. And thank you for the additional insight regarding the “post coital” comments. He even had to say “we should do this again sometime”. The same thing you say to someone after a first date.
I second this!
Rachel, that's good.
I definitely noticed while watching the movie lol, but I think all those homosexual innuendos were meant to represent the insecurities or anxieties that many straight men feel over being thought of as gay for even just having a friendship with another man, wanting a father figure, or doing some hyper masculine activity like fighting. The movie is full of elements that represent demasculinization of various kinds, be it the narrator's dead end job, Marla's dominance, or the testicular cancer support group and Bob's gynecomastia.
I'm a woman so I can't claim to truly understand much of that, but I have seen a lot of men get accused of being gay for being too feminine, being too masculine, sometimes even just breathing in the wrong way, and I can only imagine that could cause stress, anxiety, repressed emotions and taking distance from healthy vulnerability and human connection. Which I think does connect with the main theme of the movie.
Also, ever since I experimented some with other women intimately, people in my life seem incapable of letting go of the theory that I must a lesbian or bisexual. Everything I do or say seems to be taken in that direction and it gets kinda frustrating sometimes. Not that I really care, but sometimes I just kinda wish there was any way I could convince people that I really am straight. That kinda makes me relate a bit to what many straight men seem to be dealing with. Except for them it's on a much larger, societal scale.
So I really don't get the impression that either the narrator or Durden are gay, but rather just aware of how quick society is to emasculate men. I think the bus scene kinda shows that. Durden even kinda points it out with the way he perceives that ad. At least that's kinda what I got from it, the way he asks "is that what a man is?" He comes across to me as not caring if people think he's gay just because he's really into being masculine and appreciates it in his fellow men, but the narrator (I think) is still plagued by the fear of being seen as gay, as he doesn't even dare to ask Tyler if he can stay at his place, out of this fear. I think that's also why Tyler chooses to shove gay porn into the movies he edits, as a way to control this fear, or to remind others of how much their fear of it controls them.
So yes I think this homosexual imagery in the movie is absolutely intentional, but I think it's mocking and testing the characters, not describing them. The way that these things are portrayed in the movie, comes across to me like the straight man's view of homosexuality. It's too overt, to the points it's an attack on the characters. The gun in the mouth, the threat of homelessness unless you stay with another man, the pain associated with the physical contact, the unexpectedly forced pornography, the ad shoved down their faces. This is a straight man's fear, not a gay man's dream.
Wow. Nice, well-argued response here. I thank you for sharing and I hope people take the time to read this. In my videos I'm merely posting my opinions and thoughts, though I am extremely open-minded. At the very least, I want to open a dialogue and these are the types of comments I hope for!
@@bizarrebreakdowns I appreciate that! And that makes a lot of sense what you say.
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Watched your one vedio randomly and now i am watching all your vedios.keep uploading vedios.
Thanks for your support Robin. I will!
Serious question Man, How many times have you watched/read Fight Club? because this analysis is mesmerising !!!
Lol! Watched it many times man. Probably 50+ times in my life. Read it twice.
@@bizarrebreakdowns ive watched it only 12 times
And a man can go it alone and stay single. For the ring, you don’t fight with a ring on. I think it’s all how people interpret things.
I do enjoy the breakdowns of this movie
Definitely don’t fight with a ring on. Any chance there is some subtext behind him taking the ring off though? And how about the other gentleman who takes his belt off… do you really want to fight with your pants falling down?
@@bizarrebreakdowns the belt is a good point.
@@bizarrebreakdowns The point is not having any hard object so belts obviously have to go, just like rings or shoes.
Sexualizing the movie misses its point entirely.
Giving up on material possessions and status symbols, putting oneself in survival mode is the furthest thing from sex.
The whole point of them reaching for "rock bottom" is to focus only on things that are essential to their survival, which sex isn't in the slightest.
An evidence of this is Tyler's neglect for Marla, using her for sex without any façade. He doesn't care at all if she stays or not because he is completely detached from sex.
The vision of masculinity and society being rejected is exactly the one that makes sex (or sexuality) the only goal and defining trait of individuals.
They create the fight club as a "man space" devoid of any consideration of social status and totally unrelated to the sexual competition going on in the rest of the world.
This is apparent in the fact that Marla ruined help groups for the narrator because he is attracted to her and as such, his superego is telling him to act a certain way to appeal to her thus he cannot let go anymore, being faced once again with his insufficiencies and perceived rejection.
Sexualizing this movie is akin to these brain-rotted porn addicts that find a thirsty comment to make under any social media post featuring a woman.
It's projecting sexual meaning because you cannot imagine something not being about sex.
Again I appreciate your point, and agree with most of it, but are the two really mutually exclusive? Given all the layers of FC can't both be true. Especially considering the author is a gay man... You really think he didn't slide anything in there. @@FlyingPastilla
bro you are amazing, i wait everyday for a new vid! thank you for this
Really glad you’re enjoying. Just getting started. We’ve got a long journey ahead down the Fight Club rabbit hole. And I’m not stopping until I interview Chuck 💪
3:18 Brad pitt said the same thing in the fight club commentary
Interesting!
back at it again, this videos a banger bro keep it up
Respects. Thank you brother 🙏
Ok, I see! But what’s the relation/ link between what you say and the personae/ shadow explained by others? I like your side and want to learn more of it.. seems to be the missing part of all other analysis👍🏻 thank you
No problem! Glad you enjoyed. Can you clarify what you mean by the 'shadow explained by others'?
@@bizarrebreakdowns you know what, I’m spending the last hour watching/ listening at all your videos about FC, you already gave an answer to all of my questions. I meant by shadow, Carl Jung shadow theory about the hidden part of someone and how can someone be jealous of himself, then I watched a bunch of your videos and figured out that he was jealous of his part which is liberated from any limit and fully expresses itself.. there are too many profound meanings that lead to a better understanding of ourselves, being male or female!
Glad you're enjoying the channel Kenzi. Lots more to come! Welcome aboard @@kenzi.h
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I totally agree with you.
We are the audience in Tyler’s theater.
We are the customers in Tyler’s restaurant.
We think we are watching and eating something we came for but subconsciously being served something different in it.
That’s why Tyler has those jobs. That’s why flashy Tyler appears until the end.
Marla and Tyler , their characteristics are mostly same, so they have sex.
They are Brave, not scared , independent and open to sex.
In the beginning , the narrator couldn’t accept Marla , he named her Tumor. Tumor appears in body . that means she is in him from the beginning. In the ice world She was there. That’s what the Narrator actually wanted to be. He just didn’t want to accept her because that’s what he was taught in the society.
At the end he accepted her( his female side of himself.)
He tried to be Tyler but he just couldn’t be Tyler. He is more kind to human.
FC is a beautiful genius story about a man accepting true himself.
Really nice breakdown my friend. I couldn't agree more!
He had to create an alter go so he could be with Marla because he feels emasculated. And only in the end when he reintegrated Tyler in his personallity could he have a real relationship with her.
@@StockpileThomas1 that’s a def great analysis! I like that !!
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Blessings brother. Thank you for this comment!
Fight club is gay
Fighting is gay
Very underrated analysis.
re - commenting after 6 months, underrated Banger
Good video analysis. The angel face part really make me think this more deeply.
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for the comment!
I personally don't think that the narrator is gay, i think they add these gay innuendos just to add to the confusion and mixed emotions of the whole film. The film is gay and straight, its a parody and its serious, its fashionable and unfashionable. It's the entire beauty of the film. The whole thing is one big contradiction of itself.
Couldn’t agree more. Well said
Original take but I'd say than a lot of these hints only look gay because it's about emasculating the narrator or affirming masculinity in a way that isn't related to sex such as fighting.
The lines after the bar scene and the first fight are mostly there to add either mockery or some form of humourous twist.
It is especially used as contrast because it's so far removed from sex.
The Gucci ads are clearly mocked as well and Tyler's vision of masculinity is especially opposed to it.
It's about saying the metrosexual masculinity is making men feminine and destroying their essence, not proposing any of it is appealing.
All in all, one can choose to see these hints as homosexual undertones between the two characters but at this point it's more personal projections than actual movie meaning.
From such a standpoint everything can become gay, from your boss paying you to some guy putting gas in his car.
Appreciate this take here. Wondering your thoughts on the “big rubbery one” comment. It felt to me, especially when reading the book that Palahniuk (a gay man) purposefully peppered some gay subtleties in there.
@@bizarrebreakdowns I think most people know what a big rubbery one means
I mean, from the perspective of Greco-Roman mythological heroism, particularly from the story of like Ovid’s metamorphosis, homosexuality and homosexual overtones are about as masculine as you could possibly get. I don’t know if Tyler/narrator are gay explicitly, I think narrator is more complicated than just mere labels. Narrator and marla do in fact have a child together in the sequel. That said I think the homosexual symbolism does the back into the Greco-Roman ideal, and that’s the point of the symbolism at least in terms of the film.
In one of the novels, Marland and the Narrator get married and I think have kids, brilliant videos tho bro
Intel is appreciated! I'm not saying the narrator is 100% gay. But there is no denying the homosexual undertones in the film.
To be honest they're more or less rather in a codependent relationship feeding off of what's left of eachothers brain matter, from my understanding it wasn't romantic for them whatsoever. and it would be really lame if it was the case, seeing as there's very little chemistry between them in the first place. It isn't a happy story for them that centers around love whatsoever
Thanks for clarifying. I need to read them ASAP! @@soapshipping
to be honest the other two books aren't that good and also the canon of the movie is different from that of the books
within the first hour! there he is!!
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Major props to you on this one!!! Keep it up BB.👏👏👏
The most bisexual film in history
For those ppl out there a bit weirded out like me, Coexist homosexuality and The main aspects and ideologies, like what tyler belives in (monk, anti-consersumerism, anarchist,etc) and how to improve your life. this movie is great focus on the meassge not on this particular detail
What is the point of adding the homosexual hidden things?
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I had no context when I watched fight club for the first time and i genuinely thought it was a romance
@@FreakGuts1210 it kinddd of is. Check out my video “this is what fight club is really about”
I believe you're correct. I don't think Marla exists either.
An intriguing theory, no doubt!
But the pornography frame he splices into the movie is straight, not gay, because it’s a woman’s voice we hear in the split second frame. Not to detract from any of the other points you have made because I do completely agree with you.
You're absolutely right. It is a woman's moan, but what does Tyler say shows up on screen? "A Nice Big ****" PS, he just had to call it 'nice'. Another example
Ahh, I did refer to it as "gay pornography" my mistake.
@@bizarrebreakdowns Agreed. By the way, I love your breakdown videos; Fight Club is still my favorite film of all time. Seriously, love your videos! Awesome work.
"blasting you with all this gay stuff"
nice.
lol. That came out wrong. Bit of an adlib by me
The homosexual undertones depict the mental state of narrator facing masculinity crisis and nihilism.
It does not mean that the narrator was actually homosexual but just his mind was swaying and swivelling.
And this is more clear when Narrator questions tyler in train as to what a man looks like.
have you done a video on what's in the movie but not in the book?
like, the 'going commando' was not in the book
Haven’t done this but definitely considering
Bro, I have so many thoughts. Let's hop on a podcast and hash this out.
What I will say, though, is in the theater scene, he's "splicing single frames of pornography into family films." There's no reference to gay or straight. But the voice you hear moaning is a woman, then Tyler says, " Nice, big, _____." That is 100% straight.
Not disagreeing with everything else you pointed out, but, I have so many notes.
Good channel. You've earned my sub.
Would love to hop on a pod brother. Send me your contact info!
Love to, but your contact info isn't enabled on your channel. There's no way to send you a private message. 😶
You have made an art out of a 1999 movie, an infinite art as the movie is.
And I feel like I haven't even scratched the surface!
I think it's wrong and ironically fatherless to assume Fight Club, or its messages, are inherently masculine because of the aggressive imagery alone. As you say, fighting is very much symbolic, for whatever it's meant to symbolize, and then again, fighting by itself is not a virtue. It's a means to an end, meant to be purposeful, in classic literature and the masculine themes that fight club in fact goes against. Its subversiveness, nihilism, and rebelling not against an oppressor, or for the community's sake, but against it and against oneself, are blatantly aligned with anti-heroism, or if you would, the devil, opposing classical masculinity, which in turn is critical of homosexuality.
What i only got from this is that having no father makes you gay
i learn something new everytime i watch this channel about fightclub thank you
Cheers mate!
it's a gay cinema icon. right up there with a nightmare on elm street part two or 2 fast 2 furious.
@@colonelblars9126 never considered 2 fast 2 furious
@@bizarrebreakdowns oh yeah baby, also I forgot to mention From Paris with Love. "I told you that chick would get you killed"
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Boy if you dont stop ❤
I am pretty open to the narrator being gay
But I dont think he is, I don't think any of the points make sense more than people over interpreting allegedly clever meaningless modern art. I dont think most things that is mentioned carries that much of a meaning, and it just seems like pure speculation that can be done on any movie. Like you can take the handshake scene of Predator and say it represents they are two lovers longing to see eachother and wanna have gay sex. Most of it just felt like making a gay joke on two guy friends who are close, like just telling them : ugh, you two should get a room. Most the points mentioned felt that way. And narrator being possessive of Tyler is a fact, it is openly showed in the movie, but I think the narrator just saw Tyler as his father, it is ironic considering in the book when asked by the narrator who was he fighting in his head when he fought the narrator, Tyler replies: My father (since Narrator was the creator of Tyler)
I think the phrases like "a big rubbery one", is like an expression in general, like people would say stuff like : movie so good it made me f**** c*m
This is a movie about freedom, but it certainly don't feel like its directly about homosexuality (though freedom actually includes that too) like the movie Moonlight (which is a sort of similar movie about freedom but also includes Homosexuality with coming of age) a personal favourite of mine
@@McLovin208 your opinion is appreciated!
Bro is so in the closet he only saw the gay in the movie
why did the author and the director director does that ?
Look for "dangerous writing" and you'll find some answers
i cant deny there are some elements in the film that can refer to homosexuaity, however i think most examples you presented are a bit too farfetched
Indeed some of them are a stretch. However, I wanted to highlight them ALL, even if they were far-fetched
I do think that most of the homosexual innuendos are because the narrator has prostate cancer and that he's about to lose his.. Yeah. That. Like Tyler, Marla ain't real either. Marla is what he worries he'll turn into once his *that* gets chopped off, while Tyler is his masculine side that he doesn't wanna let go. That's why you see Tyler and Marla "doing it" as in a way that his sides are on conflict. Bob isn't real either
I mean, that's just a theory because of the scene where fight club members tried to chop off his *that*. Then in the end it shows a naked man as in, he went for the surgery (he won't have it dressed on)
Now I don't think it was meant anything about homosexuality because of Marla, so perhaps bisexuality?
I've heard and appreciate this theory. It's also interesting that when Tyler and Marla are doing there thing, it almost sounds like they are battling (symbolising the narrator's internal battle? and his impending bisexuality)
but why would they put it?
I think the author (who is a gay man). Is just messing with the viewer, again he knew the movie would appeal to “straight macho men”.
I thought the movie was pretty cool too smh
down thumbs for showing that Gucci ad so many times
@@joebob7135 😂
this actually makes sense?!
Right!
fake
Can you do a video on wether or not marla is real?
Already done: ruclips.net/video/Bs67PFJx-68/видео.html
this shit is reaching
Gay.
as a queer person, i think the way straight people analyze queer media is. interesting. a man is not queer because he doesn’t have a father. his father being absent affected how he reacted to his homosexuality. and no, queerness is not an undertone in this movie. it’s an overtone in every situation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think I suggested that his absent father had anything to do with his queerness? Also, I think there is definitely both undertones and overtones!
Homosexuality can be form of envy of the Other guys' masculine identity
No
Yuck!
Fight club mid
bro u ruined this movie for me now i aint never waching it agian caus thats gay
lol. It's still a great movie
womp womp
coexist this detail to the ideologies it was shown in the film this is just a joke about homosexuality
Imagine disliking a great and banger film because of gays. Grown up, dude
Why do people equate the whole movie into being about queerness, and call others dumb online for taking anything else from it other than it being about gays.
After this video, Fight Club is no longer my favorite film📉
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Tyler is not homosexual only the nerator ?@@bizarrebreakdowns
bro its just a fucking movie you dont have to dislike a movie because its main tone is homosexuality
@@fight_club_reality_ they’re the same person
yes, I know but the other part doesn't want to be homosexual? why you deleted my comment @@bizarrebreakdowns