BEST Projector in 2022 | Projector Shootout | JVC NX7 vs NZ7 vs NZ8 vs Sony, Epson , Optoma
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- We compared 8 Projectors (over $50,000) in a BLIND TEST including the JVC NX7, NZ7, NZ8, 420, Epson 3800, 6050, Sony VP-295ES and Optoma 50X to find the BEST projector in 2022. JVC Projectors - bit.ly/JVC_Pro...
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We compared 8 Projectors (over $50,000) in a BLIND TEST including the JVC NX7, NZ7, NZ8, 420, Epson 3800, 6050, Sony VP-295ES and Optoma 50X to find the BEST projector in 2022. This video is sponsored by Elite Screens. Check out their screens here - amzn.to/33xXVpm
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Hey Youthman, I haven't finished the video yet. It would be nice to see something like this on a ALR screen like Slate and Black Diamond from SI. I've been waiting on getting a projector because I've found that while I have a light controlled setup with black ceiling and dark walls and all, at least 90% of the time I have to have considerable light in the room for my kids to play, or to talk with guests. Even if the lights are dimmed and not direct... I guess my room is the main TV watching space, and not ONLY for a theater experience. Only when I'm alone do I get to go full darkness. I'd love to see how the experience is with these in that use-case. Does a NZ series have the brightness needed to accomplish this? And how much of a subjective hit do you take when you do go full dark in the room with a Black Diamond screen or something.
Thank you for the suggestion. We will definitely continue to have shoot outs in the future
Hi Youthman, I just recently discovered your channel and you're doing great work. I did a search and noticed you haven't reviewed JL audio subs. Do you plan to review them one day?
Got the full links for the write ups, rather than the bitly links? Im getting blocked...
www.avsforum.com/threads/kansas-city-projector-shootout-jan-8th-9th.3227498/
love the average consumer perspective on this video! my setup is in a multipurpose room where we play board games, workout, watch movies, watch tv, play xbox. can't black out every room just to get the "best" conditions. I went EPSON 5040 due to ability to have lights on and still see have a usable image, but lights off, change view modes.
This is awesome Fella's! Thanks so much for bringing this to us Michael.. I really hope this starts off a yearly shoot out and that manufacturers get on board and lend you guys their projectors.. Just have to say I could listen to Jonathan talk all day he articulates so well and seems such a calm, chilled and super intelligent guy.. Great stuff!
This was great! Thanks to everyone who helped make this possible. The rest of my comment isn't intended to be a critique; I just wanted to share a thought I had when watching this. I know that using MadVR for tone mapping to SDR allowed the older generation of projectors compete, but maybe next time you guys do this you can skip the external tone mapping and feed actual HDR signals to the projectors and see what they can do. I have to wonder if the latest projectors can do a better job of tone mapping; I hope they could since they should know exactly what their own capabilities are. A side by side with vs. without madVR with HDR source material on identical or almost identical projectors would be great, too. Cheers!
So I was the one with the Sony and I wanted to see how it compared to the Lasers. I can say I do love my Sony however when I go to replace it I will be looking for Laser projectors as they did look great!
Thank you for bringing out your projector and for cooking up some mean BBQ for us all
@@Youthman Anytime. Next time I will aim to do a Brisket. Out of all things to Smoke this one is my Fave!
How much is the difference compared to the NZ? Is it more like $500 difference or $5000 difference?
@@jin5667 that home theater dude channel has a good comparison to the Sony 715 and NX line (forget the exact model but it was $8,000). The short version is the Sony has more detail and the jvc has blacker blacks. The piece missing for me is latency for gaming. The ONLY projector I have found acceptable is Sony at 27ms.
James Williams Thanks James. I agreed with that comparison. I currently own a JVC NX7 and a Sony 295es. Movie image wise, Sony is sharper, but JVC does much better on black level and HDR. Game wise, I certainly use Sony. I use JVC mainly for movies, especially dark movie. My question was about the new NZ line, doesn’t seem to offer much a difference from this shootout.
I was watching this on tv but had to login and comment. First off great video but awesome to see how you worked with sponsors to pull this together - that takes some initiative and hard work and I’m glad to see it come together for you and hopefully the channel continue to grow!
Thank you for the kind words Matt. There were a lot of people that were involved to make this a successful event
Years ago, a few friends and I started up a local meetup group. We had enriching experiences with each other for many years. It's been 10 years since we've disbanded. Watching you guys share this experience together was fantastic. It's a side of the hobby that I enjoy very much. Thank you for sharing and for the helpful insight. As you said in the sign out, you generated some excitement in this guy that had slipped away for sometime.
Thank y'all for your time, money, and risk for putting this together during this period, just to show which toy were gonna buy next.
Love the KC guys. They are very intelligent and explain things so well. I really appreciate the informative discussion style.
Shame no one had an NX5 to add to the test, it's probably the closest in terms of price to either the 295es and 6050. Also it will be interesting to see a repeat test with hopefully the new LS12000B to see if it has enough of an improvement over the 6050 to possibly compete head to head with the likes of the 295es and the upcoming NP5.
Thank you Youthman and the crew for the 2022 projector shoutout
Thank you for the kind words. We are already planning the next event. It’s going to be epic
Just an absolutely wonderfully done projector comparison. Great work all around. Great job Micheal and all involved. A rare instance to compare all these, and I’m really enjoying the write-ups on AVS too!
Thank you Jerod. It was a lot of fun to be a part of this event. We are already planning the next event which is going to be even bigger
@@Youthman Can’t wait Micheal!
This video was phenomenal and very informative on the projector shoot-out process. I want to thank everyone involved for their effort, time, and knowledge as every topic was discussed in great detail.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video Michael it was a lot of fun. We are already planning the next event
So interesting. I found Brians comments something to mention. Its easy to get lost in the details (I do it all the time). He took it as an "non-expert" down to the basics, He liked the black, but also those with more light. Thats something most people can relate to, and something our eye is very sensitive to.
Thanks. I liked this much more than an typical product review.
NX7 owner here and am super happy owning this model. I was originally tempted to sell it and grab an NZ8 which would likely cost way more. I AM on a 165” scope screen and I’m sure the NZ8 and extra lumens would be great but I might wait another generation of laser based models from JVC to see if they end up pushing the lumens any further. I run mine with the Color filter in place too so I’m tempted to disable that to see if it’s a lot brighter.
Congratulations Scott that’s a fantastic projector. Definitely try with and without the filter to see what you prefer
I’m not selling
my NX7 anytime soon. The biggest im advantage of the NZ7 is 8K which there is no source offering it anyways.
I believe the biggest advantage is not 8K, but the benefits of the laser light source which is 20,000 hours and it doesn’t dim over time.
@@Youthman Yeah totally. My reason for getting one would 100% be the additional ~800 lumens. I have found that by turning my BT2020 wide colour filter off, the brightness is perfectly acceptable on my 165" scope with lens now.
Yeah I do not use the color filter on mine as well due to the loss of light output
Very informative video. Hearing different perspectives from these knowledgeable enthusiasts about the differences in the projectors was great. I’m just finishing up my small 12’x16’ theater and am trying to decide between a clearance price NX9 and/or NZ7 or NZ8. I’m leaning towards waiting for the NZ8 based on the discussion in your video and excellent AVS Forums write-ups you’ve linked. The complainers will always find something to complain about. But your videos have helped me a ton in my journey of finally building my dream HT. As a patron and subscriber, I appreciate you brother! Keep the awesome videos coming!
Thank you James. Haters gonna hate. ;)
I have a smaller room with only a 92" screen, so I've always felt like the cost for me to get a JVC wouldn't be justified because my screen size... I'm not sure if this discussion helped me in that regard or not, but it sure was entertaining!
Also, I'm a bit disappointed in the almost complete lack of discussion about the Epson and Sony projectors, because I feel like those are more in the price point of the majority of people who will watch this.
Take a look at the AVS links in the description for more details on how they specifically compared.
As an NZ7 Owner was really eager to watch this shootout! Great Job Again!
I enjoyed your podcast and shootout. One thing that may help folks decide is to do the shootout between projectors at various price points. Just like in the car market, naturally a Chevy is not going to compete in a shootout with a Ferrari, but that doesn’t mean the Chevy can’t be a good value.
Thanks for the suggestion Steve. Unfortunately the first shootout took 8 hrs so it would be difficult to do multiple shoutouts in a single day.
Awesome video. Love all the sincerity and fun you guys had doing this. This community is so kindy and helpfull and we just keep learning with all of you. Love you Michael!!!
I appreciate the kind words. Trying to build up the home theater Community and make it a better place
This shootout saved me $5k!! I was torn between the NZ7 and NZ8. But, after reading the reviews/comments on the forum and this video... NZ7 it is. I'll put that extra $5k elsewhere in the room.
There were definitely some subtle differences between the two. The higher up you go, it seems the more the law of diminishing returns is at work. The NZ7 is a fantastic projector. Send me an email if you are interested in one info@hometheatertours.com
Ramsay, You think the laser is worth the cost over the NX series? - would like to know your thoughts.
The only thing that might push me towards the NZ8 would be that it has far better 8K eShiftX capabilities to future proof it....but is that worth an extra $5,000....that's yet to be determined? I heard JVC is going to do some huge price hike up in February?
@@downersup2 Go read the written review on the AVS forum. They talked about that... And said the two-way shift on the NZ7 versus the quad on the end NZ8 wasn't really all that noticeable.
@@steveinflorida773 from everything I have read I do think it is worth it. There does seem to be enough of a bump between the two. Even In this video review they talk about that.
Any projector manufacturer can throw light on a screen. It’s the top shelf ones that can make the light not hit the screen IE black levels. And give you detail while watching it. Also cheaper ones don’t do wide color or proper tone mapping.
Man fantastic job and thanks for putting this together. When I was in college I was working at family video I saved up and bought a Epson powerlite which I have been using ever since. Now I'm building my first full home theater and this couldnt be more helpful, in my space a 100in screen is the max I can fit so this was massively informative. Need to keep doing research on how those more budget friendly work with a grey or darker screen to help with the contrasts because it really seems like alot of the higher end projectors come alive on screens I just don't frankly have the space for. But that's has been great. Thanks again youthman
Glad you enjoyed the video Tyler. Good luck with your build
Great job guys, Im a JVC fan and looking to upgraded ftom x750 to either NX9 or NZ8 on a 130 inch screen. Too bad you didnt have a direct compare between these 2. Any advice. Like most, black level with high contrast and sharpest PQ is priority.
One recommendation from future videos. please be consistent with the JVC model numbers. It was confusing when some use NX/Z and others used RS. thanks and great job
I appreciate the suggestion. The difficulty was guys like me rarely refer to the RS numbers. I have always referred to the NX series. And the only difference is the gold ring that I’m aware of. I have no idea what model number they’re talking about when they say RS2000, 3100 etc. But when you say NX7, NX5 , NZ9 I know exactly what you’re talking about
If you decide on which JVC you are interested in ordering, feel feee to reach out to me at info@hometheatertours.com.
Thanks for all the hard work guys!
Interesting that they had the NZ9 on hand but didn’t include it. Would have been nice to see what difference 15 thousand more dollars makes, if any. I know a lot of people are trying to decide between the 7 8 and 9.
What a great effort, thank you to everyone who made this possible.
Screen size:
If you've got 100" screens (because you can fit 2 of them in) but you want to be testing (for example) 130" screens, what would happen if you simply zoomed the projectors to project 130", and you left the over-spill hit black velvet? Sure you wouldn't watch a film like that, with parts of the image missing, but it would show you what those images would look like on a bigger screen.
I did consider that and mentioned that to them. Part of it was just time constraint. We had one day. We started at 6 AM, everyone got there at 9 AM. We did the shoot out until 5 PM. Did a second shoot out from probably 5:30 PM till close to midnight which is what we covered in the video
@@Youthman Yeah I wasn't talking about this time, more that you were considering doing something similar in a year's time, and you may well be limited on space again then, so it was just an idea of what you can do next time.
With all the opinions and voting thoughts I would have liked to see people say which one they would actually buy. Even those with the funds I am curious if they would spend for the laser vs non laser JVC or even the Epson.
I guess my conclusion is the NX7 is a better value than the laser series being a similar image for less. The Epson 6050 or try to get the same 5050 for model even less will not have the blacks of the NX7 but WHOLE lot of savings and should still do well on a large screen. The optima is for your kids bright playroom, outside but would never hold it's own for an enthusiast on a larger screen or without the tone mapping boost it received.
That’s a pretty good assessment
Spot on. You get 85-90% of the image quality at the Epson 5050 level and the law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty strongly after that. I can comfortably say in public that the price difference between the NZ7 and NZ8 were not worth it for me.
Ha, Krosan with the Yamaha shirt.
Thanks for the comparison. I still feel peak projector for me in a batcave is the JVC x9000. I notice contrast much more than resolution and with MadVR I feel the contrast/HDR I get from the x9000 is unrivalled. Even in a batcave there's a zero sum game with contrast - you push the peak white too high and the reflections form the room wash back onto your screen, thus diminishing the contrast. I had quite the revelation when I stopped watching HDR stuff in high lamp mode, in low lamp the contrast appeared even better!
Nice work. I only wish the white points had all been matched to D65 for peak white along with matching the brightness levels. I noticed the i1 display pro Spectro there. Would have been easy to do a quick 100 IRE D65 for each. Either way thanks for the hard work here. Good content as always.
Can I get a translator over here please? 🤣 Calibration is all Greek to me
@@Youthman haha. I understand. Basically it would have reigned in the color temp differences and not taken that much time. Wouldn't have been a FULL calibration for each but would have helped color temps come closer in line. The i1 Spectrometer (light meter) was shown in the video when he was balancing the peak brightness of each display on the tripod stand.
If you look at the native contrast of the pixel shift RS PJs (like the 420), they are significantly better than the native contrast on the native 4K JVC PJs. The laser PJs have better dimming which "may" level the playing field. Like the guys said, I really think combining external tone mapping and level matching on a smaller screen took away the main advantages of the laser JVCs. Going with a larger screen and not allowing external mapping would have changed it dramatically. I also think you have to factor in the benefits of laser over bulbs when buying. One thing I think would have been useful is to try the filter in the NZ8. Since you used a 100" screen, and the NZ8 seemed too bright when maxed out, then the lumen loss from the filter may have actually helped, plus you get a greater color gamut.
@youthman I should have mentioned this but I really enjoyed this video. I've watched at least a couple dozen of your videos and this was by far my favorite. The NZ8 was a PJ I almost bought. Now I'm not sure. My screen is 103" but I have some ambient light during the day. My plan was to use max lumens during the day and to use the filter at night for more serious viewing. I could also do a larger scope AT screen and really take advantage of it. That's just a LOT of work. Then again, I could get LGs 99" OLED... pricing may be similar to the NZ8... especially since JVC no longer allows street pricing but LG does. I'm also really curious what rec 2020 triple laser PJs will come out this year. I suspect I might wait 6-12 months to see how the market plays out.
I have a rs600 so maybe i should get a lumagen or madVR as a better upgrade then buying a newer projector?
I'm building a theater with a 110" screen and now wondering if instead of a NZ7 I should just get a NP5 when that comes into production. Sounds like the higher models the big difference is on a larger screen.
So what's the result, what do you buy for a 130 inch anamorphic in a 14ft long room dedicated room? With external tone mapping
Which calibration tool did you use prior to your shootout? Such as Klein K10A colorimeter, Colorimeter Research spectroradiometer and Spectracal professional software ?
Youthman, I think the round table discussion is great to see the individuals we’ve seen on the Kc tour. Kudos 🙏🏻
Thanks brother
I laugh at the surprise velvet attack at @6:37
Haha I didn’t know what happened first
I love this channel, you always talk about what we really want to hear. Great video
Thank you for the kind words
@@Youthman No problem, my brother lent me his old JVC projector the X95R to test and it has the best black levels I have seen on any projector. I am addicted to JVC's now and my current projector is the Epson TW9300 which is no slouch but the JVC is on another planet black level wise. I am assuming the new bad boys NZ7/8/9 would be stunning.
Kind of surprised the JVC beat the Epson 6050 that solidly. I prefer the 6050's brighter image and use that brightness to be able to engage my color filter for HDR color volume and coverage. (and for my bigger 150" screen) Many do prefer the JVC for it's blacks, but I didn't think that view was THAT universal, and it's not like the Epson has bad blacks, especially when you have the iris settings, tone mapping and filter set "right". Both solid projectors that fill slightly different needs and scenarios, so I expected the vote to be more mixed at least. When you factor in price, the Epson usually comes out ahead in a price for performance scenario too.
Yes we did not tell the participants which projectors they were looking at so price was not a factor into their decision on which they preferred the best. We found in our testing that most people prefer deeper black levels than they did brightness once we opened all the projectors up.
Im going for the jvc nz7🙂
Great option for sure.
Enjoyed watching and value all the information. The last comments, “What we aren’t getting paid for this” was funny 😄
Haha we had a blast together and look forward to our next event in around 6 months.
Thank You Youthman for this invaluable video. Very informative and in some cases an eye opener for me to see this showdown & feedback on these projectors. I have an EPSON 5010 and planning to replace with something real 4k maybe 8K. So this was very informative for me as I have now narrowed down to JVC RS2100. Big task is to save up for this big bad boy :)
Such beast this JVC u consider to upgrade,,the m question is if an Epson 6050ub with excellent black colour and sharpness running can u know the difference between Sony jvc or Epson
This test may safe u a lot of thousands of dollars,
Tell me what you think?
We actually had a 6050 in the Kansas City Projector Shootout. It cannot compete with the black levels of a JVC
@@Youthman
Yes sir, 100% wright but that side by side
When 6050or even 5050 installed in a dedicated home theater under 4k the overall video quality is absolutely satisfying. Will the jvc give me a double value as it's double price? Or it's better than Epson twe time?
I have 4010 and i consider upgrade looking for better blacks and sharpness i will appreciate ur advice really enjoying watching ur content and appreciate the effort.
Epson provides a huge value and offer a great image. Everyone has to decide for themselves if a more expensive product offers enough improvement in performance to make it worth it to them.
@@Youthman
U have the 5040ub for years
If u want upgrade am really interesting to know what areas improvement will u looking for.
This was really good definitely gives some prospective on the law of diminishing return. I love my 6050 that I've had about 4 or 5 months but always wondered am I really missing a lot, and I truly don't think so. Also caught it on one of those Youthman type deals were I paid less than $2k for it. This was a blessing.
For $2000, I would absolutely keep what you have for a while. That’s awesome congratulations
@@Youthman Hey, do you think Shaun would be up to make another one of those side surround brackets he made for you? I need something very similar for my RP502s but to mount to the ceiling and come down to ear level. No wall on the right side. I'm using something I mocked up but yours is much better. I could send him a drawing and all the measurements.
great great video really the most helpful video helps you to choose what good for you, gives a lot of information impossible to experience without your effort guys thank you so much.
Glad you found the video helpful
Great video. And the write-up on AVS forum was spectacular. Very informative and detailed.
Great job, and thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed the video
I do wish the shootout didn't include MadVR, etc. Just straight out of the box and calibrated. The argument would be made that those lower-tiered projectors would be blown out of the water, but I think the whole point would be, does the difference in what your seeing correlate to the difference in what you would be willing to pay in price.
In other words, not just which one is 'better', but do I want projector A at this price, or is it worth it to me to get projector B for that price.
Regardless, I really appreciate the video here, and the comments on AVSForums. A wealth of knowledge and feedback. Thank you.
I too would like to see that as well. Will keep that in mind for a future shoot out. Look for many more to come with the next one already being in the works
Totally agree with this. The quality of picture processing is an important part of the cost of the units so this not a fair comparison at all.
Thanx a lot! maybe some timestamps to offer some structure for the viewers would be helpful.
Guy on the right walks into a Nike outlet and... Comes out stuck on "big screen size" repeat mode
Great video, a ton of work putting this on, really appreciate it.
"The Optoma out right winner ..For me that is ..(value for money wise black levels too!) Against some of the big guns ..well done Optoma 💜
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She did well…but not that well lol
Awesome projector shootout! It goes to show with proper calibration and adding perhaps MADVR, one can achieve great results with low cost projectors. Hopefully in the future you can do an LCR speaker shootout which includes the DIY stuff, that would be awesome.
Thank you kindly rock steady
Amazing job to all of you! Thank you Mike and Ryan!
Thank you kindly. Also a big shout out to Tony and Nick for calibrating all 8 projectors and Jonathan for the work he put into it as well.
Hi Youthman, I wanted to get your honest opinion after watching several videos on the JVC N7 and the Sony 6000, I am building my cinema and don't want to get caught out regretting my purchase epscially at this price. I love the thought of 8k pixel shifting and the better HDMI ports however the Sony 6000 picture just seems to my eyes to be leaps ahead, I have seen comments about calibration etc and the comparisons not being fair but for a gamer and sci-fi /Action movie person which would you opt for?
Thanks
Hey! I saw your great shootout (N5 vs ub6050 vs uhz65) before and THIS video is no exception: An excellent one! Speaking of the UB6050: I would have guessed the Epson turned out to be a good option in comparison - cause of "good" even not outstanding black levels and high light output- with the rest of competition but since i didn't hear you say "ub6050" within the clip: How did it perform to peoples/experts eyes? Thanks a lot in advance and keep up the great work 🎬🍿
The 6050 is actually a great projector. It’s only when you put them side-by-side with the JVC that people tend to choose the JVC because they immediately noticed the deeper black levels. What we found in the blind shoot out is people preferred projectors with deep black levels over even a brighter projector
Thx for doing this guys.
Great Product and Worth Every Penny!
I recently canceled my Epson 3800 for a BenQ TK850i. Did I mess up? Have you guys tested the BenQ TK850?
Awesome video! Watched from the start to the end.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ive tried looking up the jvc rs420 they are talking about is only $1000 but was winning. Cannot find anywhere online that sells it anywhere close to that. Even finding it at all is quite difficult to buy, only found $3000
Being that, it’s a six year old projector, it’s going to become more and more difficult to find.
Where would you estimate the Epson Ls12000 laser would position? I’m curious if it can approach JVC black levels. Most definitely like a laser source to avoid bulb dimming. Thanks in advance.
I have not seen it in person but I do not expect Epson to have similar black levels as JVC at over 1/2 the cost.
is laser projectors also in the video?
The JVC NZ7 and NZ8 are laser projectors and we’re in the shootout.
Have you done any reviews on SIM2 projectors? How are they compared to those high end JVCs
Sim aren’t bright enough.
Hey thanks for all of this, its awesome!! Any chance you are getting your hands on the new epson 12000?? Im really torn between this and the jvc nz7 even if the price point gap is quite huge. I would like to see them compared and have your opinion on this. Thanks a lot!!
It’s a possibility
Interesting review. However, I would have preferred to have NOT had the video processor in the chain. But I do take from this, that essentially they are all pretty darn close. If in a darkened movie room ( where you don't need as much brightness ) you can get away with most of these projectors ( read cheaper / older ) and be very happy with what you have.
Youthman did you noitice any screen door effect on the epson?
No one mentioned seeing any screen door
One guy did say he could not see any screen door 7 ft away on any of them.
Really appreciate this shootout! So the NZ7 vs NZ8 was extremely close. Do you think it would still be that close of a matchup on a 135" screen? Trying to see if I could save $5k without really noticing the difference. Spinoff question, which would you choose: NZ8 or NZ7+MadVR Pro? Thanks for any input!
For the differences we saw you’d be hard pressed to decide the NZ8 was worth $5K more than the NZ7. But each have their own definition of value.
@@jvonengeln thanks for the reply! I ended up pulling the trigger on the NZ7. It literally arrived 10 minutes ago!
Awesome stuff! Legendary versus vid 👍
Wow thank you
what about the settings in madvr? have you used all the nit level settings in madvr for each projector ?a bright projector, even in smaller 100inch screen can have advantages by having higher color volume, higher specular highlights etc .if the madvr is correctly calibrated to high output projector ,you could have seen big difference for hdr content.
I was not the one that set this event up so honestly I could not tell you. I have only experienced med VR recently through the Kansas City group.
Wondering what the settings are 🤔 on the Panasonic player for 100" screen .
I still run the first 3D JVC projector X3
We weren’t using the Panny but instead, MadVR on a HTPC
A more accurate title would be "JVC 2022 projectors vs a bunch of old projectors". :) We don't have 2022 offerings yet from Sony, Epson and Optoma.
When they come out, and if people are willing to bring them, will do another shoot out
@@Youthman That would be awesome! Thanks
Will you be doing a similar test with short throw laser projectors? I noticed on your channel that you have a couple of videos testing short throw laser projectors but you haven't done a round-robin like you've done here
Yes I have reviewed a few ultra short throw projector‘s but that’s just whenever they come in. It would be difficult for me personally to get mini brands lined up and coordinated to where I have quite a few of them in at the same time. This shootout we had people in a local area of Kansas City bring their own projectors so it’s whatever they had
Great video. Will you be upgrading to the nz7.
No the NZ7 would be a lateral move from my NX7 apart from the benefits of a laser light source
Hey Youthman, what are the specs on the HTPC you used for MadVr in this test? How much did it cost and did you put it together yourself? I've got a Sony 915es and I'm looking to dramatically improve my HDR viewing without spending $9K-$12K on a pre-built box. Thanks.
Hi Sean, I was a guest at the event so I do not have the details of the HTPC they used with Matt VR. It was a laptop
You could email ryan@ascendav.net and he could provide more info on it
@@Youthman Much appreciated. Thanks!
@youthman what do you think about curved projector screens?
Youthman, I have 2 questions
As you have the jvc nx7 , do you think mad vr is worth it to add to your theater?
After seeing these PJs go head to head do you plans to upgrade??
Thank you !!!! . Great video
If I added MadVR, it would be the free version with an HTPC. Honestly I have no plans to do that as I would need to rip all of my 4K content and build an HTPC.
No immediate plans to upgrade my projector. RUclips revenue isn’t that good yet lol
@@Youthman not sure if you are aware some people are essentially creating a mad VR envy by using a capture card & hdfury (to remove hdcp). This is done using mad vr hdpc with a software plugin called Videoprocessor. I'll send you avs forum links if interested.
This will allow you to use your 4k Blu ray player just like mad vr envy
Interesting. I’ll likely hold off on researching MadVR as I currently have several large projects I’m working on that need to be priority.
@The Casual Cinephile I just built my "madvr envy hack pc" it's running really well and the tonemaping is a game changer. I'm not blowing any smoke. I purchased a $30.00 HDMI splitter on Amazon that strips hdcp , I have one HDMI going to reciver for Atmos and the other going into the capture card. A few tweaks and things are looking damn good. Better than ever on my nx7. Some guys on the fourm have found ways to automate windows loading and automatically going into the software to allow a very hands off approach. I'll be working on that next. If your interested I'm on avs as trmusicteez.
I was seriously considering dropping 5k on a lumagen. Not anymore. 🤣
@youthman Hi all - I am new to this channel and thanks for all this great content. I am about to get my home theater upgraded. I have a Sony Ruby projector (yes from back in 2006/2007) and now trying to decide between the Sony 715es vs the JVC NZ7. I want to know if lack of HDMI 2.1, lack of HDR 10+, lack of laser are factors significant enough to not pick the Sony and go for the JVC? Pls help because I a\currently have ordered the 715 es but am wondering if I should switch my order to the JVC NZ7.
would be cool to see some video of the projectors and conversion about it
Very awesome information shared with varying degrees of experience! What I would have loved to see was still shot scenes of all the projectors. I'm sure you were worried about RUclips content restrictions but it would have nice to see the various degrees of difference. I really believe that the LG hu810p laser projector would have faired well in the shoot out and hopefully it's possible in the future. If I lived closer I would have volunteered mine. Being a DLP it has its flaws but with the dual color lasers and adjustable iris I think it would have made up some of the difference. The most important takeaway from this is that many if not all of them will give you an awesome picture with immersive feel! But some will give you more with the higher price tag, but not by complete leaps and bounds 👌
Looking forward to the next shoot out 🙏👍👏
Most of the time we had movie clips being played. Sometimes when it was difficult to see a difference, Tony would pause on an image and I would snap a photo with my phone.
Haha Mr LG HU810 at it again... :)
Unfortunately it would be impossible to compare regular projectors against UST projectors
@@Youthman the LG hu810p is a long throw.
@@HomeCinemaJunkie it's fair to say it absolutely is comparable to some that were in the shoot out. Not saying it is the same arena as the NZ series but it would have performed very well against most in this comparison. 🤷😎
What about the Samsung LSP9 130”? What is comparable to that projector? $6,000 for the Samsung seems steep, but I do want a bright triple laser projector.
I have not reviewed that model to know the difference
Thanks for talking about two projectors and waisting 1hr of my life
You should do the test with out tone mapping since most people who are clicking on this don’t even know what that is or how to use it, they want to plug the projector in to their receiver and play Apple TV or a roku stick
Cant wait till next year. 120-130" screens preferred.. Get with multiple screen vendors ahead of time so they can confirm what they can ship. Silverticket maybe? How about an Epson Pro Cinema LS12000 laser.
Ryan came up with the idea for the shootout during my initial trip and originally was wanting to do it within a few weeks. LOL. He ended up pushing it back a few weeks so we only had a month to put it all together. As far as projector models, I asked 90,000 subscribers if they would be willing to bring theirs to the shootout. The models we had at the shootout were the ones they were willing to bring. Now that we are making it an annual event, we have more time to reach out to brands to see if they are willing to provide their products for the shootouts.
@@Youthman either way you guys did awesome! I think this will be a cool thing for people to look forward to every year
Thank you.
Saving my pennies to get the Epson Ls 12000. Have the 4050 now and its great, but want to jump passed the 6050 and go for the ls12000
Where is the shootout video? I saw the one where you guys set up everything and then this one where you discuss but I don't see the side by side shots....did you not put out that type of video??
I was anticipating that on this video. But given all the copyright issues with playing movie scenes on RUclips, I’m sure Michael opted to leave those out opposed to running the risk of having all this hard work taken down.
@@tb2324 I kinda get that, but it basically defeats the purpose for those of us who couldn't view the actual content..plus I've seen many shootouts on other channels that weren't taken down. Oh well, I was just really excited about this video and thought it would be more visual as opposed to a discussion about them.
TB is correct. I am genuinely curious how you film an 8 hour shootout followed by another 2-3hr shoutout?
Not withstanding the copyright issues you run into. If you want to see the results, I have linked the AVS posts in the description below
This is fantastic!! So many variables that can affect the outcome. I have been wanting to get a projector for a while, and this gave me more things to consider.
Best,
I am very curios to a comparison of the Long throw King and the short throw King under $5000.
The JVC DLA-N5 VS Wemax A300
Also curious to a vs whit the Wemax D30
Is this something you have planned?
Who is Weemax? 😉
@@Youthman have been looking into it more for the last days and what can actually compete whit JVC if they have an expertise in flight simulator and take that science to cinema projectors
The waiting kills me.
Sorry. It was 4 days of editing.
Then you go do it. These are individuals giving their time and energy for free, apparently so you can type ‘go faster’ while you’re taking your morning 💩
🤣 it’s all good. I didn’t take offense se to it. I think he was just excited
@@scottwallace1 It was not a complaint, on the contrary I really love and enjoy the channel and the effort. The comment was about the exitement of the project, but obviously Youthman and you got me wrong. Still love the channel.
@@Youthman It was not a complaint, on the contrary I really love and enjoy the channel and the effort. The comment was about the exitement of the project, but obviously Youthman and you got me wrong. Still love the channel.
I was initially struck by the apparent silliness of running a $1,200 projector with a $15,000 video processor, but ultimately intrigued by the result. Does a madVR Envy ever really make economic sense, or is it strictly for folks without budgetary constraint? In other words, is there any combination of projector and external video processor that matches standalone premium projectors for less total spent on image? Is there a cheaper video processor available that would improve black detail on my venerable Epson PowerLite 2040, which incidentally now lists at double my original purchase price. As much as I would like to upgrade, it doesn't appear to be a great time to buy a new projector.
As shared in the video, we were running MadVR on the HTPC which is free. The MadVR Envy was setup in the theater room with the NZ9, neither of which were part of the shootout.
@@Youthman Pardon my misunderstanding. I scrapped my HTPC about seven years ago, after determining it wasn't worth the trouble. Perhaps that was premature.
I don’t have any plans to build her HTPC. I mostly use physical media
is tone mapping works with the SDR
Why not just use the screen that is already there, and partially split the projectors with blockers? I assume that is his theater room which already has a large screen.
We did this previous to test. The light bleed becomes a problem for the better projector when half the picture is on the wall - AND the screen is actually smaller when you split a 120” screen in half than two 100” screens.
So what was the nx7 shortcomings?
I owned the NX7 and personally loved it. The main shortcoming for my system is it does not have enough light output for a 150” screen. If your screen is smaller, it’s a fantastic projector. My NZ8 is much brighter.
@@YouthmanThanks Michael, a grid of mine has the NX7 on a 135" and I like it but it does have a dim look to it. Would you say it's noticable enough going to the NZ8 that you would drive 10mins and turn on the NZ8 and notice it? Or only really in side to side tests?
Thank you
Just wanted to come back and rewatch this fantastic content Micheal. What a great events Recently my aging JVC RS540 bit the dust and I’m not in the best position to afford a new JVC. So I think I’m gunna just get an Epson 5050 and use it for a few years until I can afford a JVC again.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the 5050. Epson makes great products.
@@Youthman Thanks for the vote of confidence Micheal. I’m excited to have a new piece of gear to play with.
It was pretty interesting. We were at Jonathan’s home and he had the NZ7 and an Epson side-by-side I picked the Epson lol. Honestly they were both really similar in a lot of ways
The demo that I saw did not have a lot of dark areas or I would’ve noticed the deeper black levels from the JVC
@@Youthman That sure is something! Wow
Anyone had issues with the new JVCs failing? My local shop seems to think the build quality is not good with a few returns already.
Out of all the major PJ brands, JVC actually has a better history than most. Sony has their panel degradation issues, Epson had their dust blobs.
My Panasonics had dust blobs
Ok thanks
Every time I think about buying a Projector, I see something like this that shows me the amount of money and fiddling I’d have to put in to still not come close to the dynamics of a decent flat panel….. just isn’t worth it.
Thing that you aren't testing is reliability. I have by accident dropped Christie projectors 6ft onto a stage... even dropped them off their mounts while on... they bounced. I still use one of those.
I have no plans of dropping Projectors to test their reliability. If I were you, I would invest more time in being careful. I can assure you projectors last much longer when you do not drop them.
@@Youthman in a professional environment stuff does sometimes get dropped. Obviously I didn't do it on purpose, but when you are rigging in a big venue on a deadline, things need to be heavy duty, and we use very expensive equipment built to commercial specifications for a reason - you can't have an item of equipment fail on you without warning, or be fussy.
Single use screws into thermoplastic parts in cheaper projectors are terrible for durability and longevity in general. Christie is all metal to metal precision castings with drilled and machine tapped threads. It is tough enough to survive surprising levels of abuse and just keep on truckin'. I really do recommend Christie quite highly, for a reason. Ain't fragile.
Keep in mind my channel is not geared for those installing projectors in concert venues, convention centers, local cinemas etc. Most home theater enthusiast like myself are going to install their projector one time. It will never move until they upgrade. No reason to drop it at all.
@@Youthman when looking at the cost of a unit, lifespan and durability cost loads to engineer, and may result in no improvement in overall image quality in an A/B test. Longevity and quality are correlated- - plastic lenses, poor thermals, moisture & dust tolerance, parts changing shape after thermal cycling, registration/alignment of optical path, service parts & manuals availability... this is why Optoma or Benq aren't found in a professional environment. Not so fond of Epson, either. They all work great when they're brand new, but I wouldn't spec them for control room or mission critical use, even in a low-intensity environment.
Digital Projection, Christie, Barco... all no nonsense built to a spec not a budget, professional equipment from an independent engineering firm, top of the line. Panasonic, Sanyo, Mitsubishi, NEC, Epson, JVC, Sony, Hitachi, Samsung, Ricoh... same sort of basic performance and core components but simplified housing and assembly... the corporate plastic. It's cost-engineered pro-sumer equipment, high margin and far more freely available.
Certainly for light use, and short term ownership - if you are buying to short cycle upgrade, you can minimise spend to cut the depreciation. Buy cheap, buy twice or "cotton underpants" is a buying policy loads of places.
Last thoughts from me.
Again, I'm not sure why you keep referring to "professional environment" and "control room or mission critical use"... That is not anywhere close to what my channel is about. There is no doubt Christie and Barco make some the best projectors on the market but the VAST majority of consumers are working within a budget and are not capable of dropping $80,000 (for a cheap one) - $500,000 (or possibly more).
As far as JVC and Sony only being good for "light use, and short term ownership", tell that to the countless owners of older models. The top JVC is around $15,000 which I would not consider cheap to the average Home Theater Enthusiast.
The problem is you guys are making up excuses for the setup..we get that part but to claim the setup didnt have any effect on the results shows ignorance. Any savy projector owner knows that if you have bright walls etc it WILL affect the performance of the best projectors with highest contrast like JVC so while the guy at 14:45 claims that is not true that they didnt have problems telling them apart, he is COMPLETELY missing the point and unfortunately shows his lack of knowledge.
Amazing content please do this again. Add espson ls12000 or ls11000!
We are hoping to have one at MWAVE 2022. www.midwestavexperience.com
34:56 I have an epson and I have no idea what this guy is talking about, and I can't google anything on it. Is he talking about a MadVR setting?
Now that is a physical setting within the Epson. You have to tell it what color space you are using
@tkcdac we sent the projectors SDR with BT 2020 color mapping via MadVR. The Epsons didn’t swap to BT2020 color space automatically. We had to manually select it to get the proper colors. Without the manual set, the image was washed out and terrible using REC709 color space when it was supposed to be BT2020.
Please post link to AVS ! Thanks
Please look in the description 🤣
So where is the list of top winners and chart breakdown? Where is the summary of everything?
As mentioned several times in the video the links are in the description