2024 may be the END for Projectors and Laser TVs
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- Today we talk about why projectors 2024 may be the end of UST projector and Laser TVs.
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2024 may be the END for Projectors and Laser TVs 
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The timing of this video is spot on. Definitely a hot topic of late that's on a lot of people's mind's. Always love your videos Cleveland. Excited to see you hit 100K subscribers this year!
Thanks! Loved your video on the topic as well
This is so funny - I saw your video this morning - i finished editing a video on topic (of UST) yesterday but I'm a bit of a fan of USTs so my views are a little on the pro side.
Haha really? I have to go check it out
I havent published it yet - scheduled for Thursday, and only about USTs vs long throw - no mention of TVs but funny to see random publishing of the topic.. My video took me about 2 weeks to make due to work and too much b-roll filming... @@tHAvIlLaMaN
Ahh, gotcha. I know oh too well about how long some of these videos can take to produce. I’ll keep an eye out for it!
To me large TV's (80" and up) are a hassle and an eye sore if your not watching tv . I have a Formovie Theater UST with a retractable screen and it does great in daylight. I just love the fact that I don't have to look at a giant tv hanging on the wall when not in use.
That’s one of the reasons I’m starting to lean towards ust projector with a rising screen. My big 85 inch tv sticks out so much when not in use. I can only imagine a 100 inch plus tv.
I haaaate having a huge 65in black rectangle sitting in my living room.
Have you considered using one as a kind of art gallery slide show, or like a window into another world? I don't have any large screens, just my phone and laptop, but can imagine it might be nice to enhance the room with a large screen.
I’m thinking of getting the same
When I bought my new house the decision was simple for me. I sit 12 ft away and picked up a 120” screen with UST Awol. It is perfect for the distance. If I couldn’t go at least 120, I would have picked up a 100” TCL for $2k. But those extra 20” make a massive difference. A few things come into play here for considerations. If I were to buy the 100 inch TV things would be easier, the contrast and blacks would be better, and better for brighter, viewing environments. Less to calibrate, more set it and forget it type of thing. However, you are left with a massive screen stuck on your wall, it would not play 3-D movies - I have over 100 of those and they are simply stunning and better experience IMO than in the theaters with the AWOL 3500, the screen size would have me wanting more, and I would most likely pick up a five-year warranty on the TV because of TCL track record. I use a floor rising screen with the UST and display a nice gallery print on my wall so the TV does not take over the entire living room space. If you have a dedicated theater room, then a fixed screen is fine. Another good point on the logistics - some people simply are not going to be able to navigate a massive box down a flight of stairs. Now to price. The TCL 115 inch just announced and high sense 119 inch just announced at CES will both cost close to $20,000. A 120” UST $1000 - 5000. That’s quite a difference. So considering price, size of your space, and how immersive you want the experience to be - those will be the determining factors.
The first thing is these TVs don't have 3D we're most projectors do and that's important to me. Plus you don't get the same feel as you do with a projector. I've got both in the same room
What was fantastic about my ust projector was when I had a problem, I boxed it up and sent it away for a new lens and had it sent back in a week.
Imagine having to take down your 100-inch TV to be sent away or to be fixed in the home. What a nightmare.
Plus with a projector screen, no ugly cables, or having to feed your cables through a wall. Projector all the way for me.
For movies, I prefer the soft, natural reflected light of a projected image. For gaming, OLED is my preference.
Agreed, with some of the mediocre digital effects we have on movies and tv today,
my epson ub projector is way nicer to look at than my oled.
I just realized this as well. Still conflicted. I can't watch a projector after getting COVID because I get motion sickness. It's wearing off SLOWLY thank God but it's taking months. I'm good with my 77 inch oled for now.
True but ain't nothing like playing a racing or flight game in 100in
For movies hands down I prefer the natural colors and cinematic experience that you can achieve with a projector, I believe there will allways be ust projectors on the market
Are there ways to enhance/dim the TV's output (or the digital input) to mimic the projector screen to a degree?
I do like how with projectors, all the light is focused on the screen and you can sit in darkness. It's better for the eyes and the theater experience. I may go back to a UST when prices are a bit more sane.
How about a UST that's $2699 and blows away $5,000 and $6,000 USTs?
Nexigo Aurora Pro
@@metaldreams3595 24p issues
@@hblockx16 People get excited about every day defective stuff. Start exaggerating.
The reviews I've seen of the unit had no mention of problems displaying 24fps.
Just bought an Epson long throw LS12000 for my dedicated theater… it’s incredibly bright, it replaced my Sony 900E TV which was a very bright TV… the Epson at the end of the day was a no brainer I blackened out the room, and feel the same brightness I had with the TV. There’s just something about a projector that gives that cinematic and natural feel… I think I’ll miss that one day, looking up and seeing the light beam from time to time.
I love the epson home cinema 2350.
It has a smart card in it. So you don't need a DVD or Blu-ray player.
It has Bluetooth. Which is convenient.
The screen sizes are nice. I can use it anywhere.
Spec are 40 to 300
And up to 500 inches. But would have to be a dark environment.
One more thing. When I use older formats. Laserdisc. They look incredible good. Which is something most TVs can't reproduce the same.
Because of cheap components.
he he ...... probably my next upgrade. The JVC NZ7 or NZ8 are out of my budget
@@diamond4829 it’s a great projector I really love it.
Ya ..... I managed to get an insane deal on an LS12000 with 280 hour on it with a 135 inch screen. It's amazing ❤
I’m still leaning towards a ust projector with a rising/ hideaway screen for a few reasons. As you mentioned, the pure logistics of handling and installing a 100 inch tv are challenging. Then there’s the fact that a projector with a 120 inch plus screen will be more of an experience than a tv, and way more affordable than the new 115 and 120 inch tvs that were just announced. Finally, in a mixed use room I think a huge 100 inch plus tv will be a huge eyesore when not on. Heck, my 85 inch tv is. I won’t have to worry about that with a floor rising projector screen. Of course my last point won’t matter to you if you have a dedicated theater room.
Congrats on the new space. I’m looking forward to the upcoming tour & TV reviews!
At 1:00 there are some sound problems. Seems that 2 tracks are overlapping.
I know. Dunno how I missed it 🤦🏾♂️
My problem is that the only wall I have a window behind the screen when I want the large screen experience and i dont want to build a mount that hinges up to store the tv against the ceiling.
Really great topic! I just subscribed. I would pick your brain about more TV’s & projectors!
Thanks for sharing your views. It came at the right time when I was in a dilemma to buy a projector or a TV for my big conference room in office. Thank you🙏
Very excited, how are you going to do with your new room, new space. Please give us great videos as ever. Peace.
There is one thing you're forgetting...blue light. It might not be a factor yet but I expect eye health to become a more important purchase factor in the future.
If you ate buying anytv bigger than 80 imches you are special its just better and easier to buy a projector
Welcome back,missed your video's that I enjoy.
Thanks!
Here's my ONE CENT:
UST's are SUPER PORTABLe, easy to move between rooms and places. Take it to hotel, forest or hike or trek. You're sorted.
Good on EYES. Reflected diffused lighting provides comfort and safety to our eyes and also lets you watch longer or more movies without eye fatigue.
With a white or slightly Grey wall, one can get an image size of upto 150 inches. Actually if it's 4k projector it can done upto 180 inches without perceptible loss of pictire quality. It works in small rooms, no nailing, no pro installation required if the wall is even decently flat and slightly clean. All you need ia empty wall. That's ALL.
UST's have even more advantages. Except for the true black which is actually imperceptible when scenes start to become vibrant and bright. Cuz the amount of time we see black in a movie is very less (except horror movies).
So deep blacks don't go beypnd your black HDR demo videos. As a pro even I got aucked into that literal "blackhole Pixel nonsense".
I can add even more. Lemme make a video and put it up.
Mine is on a bare wall too. I'm gonna paint the section with black chalkboard and magnetic paint after I smooth it out a bit and see how it looks.
Been watching your videos a long time. The #1 thing that kept me from getting an UST is due to having kids. Having to reset the projector and calibrate each time they "bump" the entertainment center or UST itself would be frustrating. Additionally, I'd much rather have a 100" LCD.
Good point!
Lol I work at UST, I got caught off guard.
TVs have a major drawback in that they are fixed format displays and as result are not able to handle different aspect ratios, especially important when it comes to movie watching. With a projector you can use the zoom function to create a truly cinematic experience on films shot in the scope format by getting rid of the dreaded black bars.
If you zoom in or out you're now not filling your projection screen correctly. Are you going to have multiple screens that you swap in depending on the aspect ratio?
@@ItsEverythingElse No, of course not. There are screens which will automatically mask to the correct format. These are very expensive, though. The point I was trying to make is that with a fixed panel display you are stuck with the 16:9 format. I personally prefer to go down the CIH path (constant image height) and would rather have black bars/masking on the sides with 16:9 material and the full picture when projecting films shot in CinemaScope. The latter is also not ideal, because by zooming in you are basically overshooting and need to use the projector's masking to hide the part of the panel not being displayed. Alternatively a panamorph lens can be used, but these are prohibitively expensive. In short, when it comes to the handling of aspect ratios projectors are more flexible but not perfect as you always need to compromise. If what you watch is mainly 16:9 material then TVs are the obvious choice.
That's still only for the premium projectors like the higher end Epsons, Sony, and JVC. None of the DLP's do that I believe. That's why it's best to have screen blocking or just have a 16x9 screen.
100” plus tvs are unmanageable. Projectors don’t take up space.
Problem with 120 - 130" TV is how to deliver something of such size. It's really tricky. If they had some retractable, foldable TV is might work, but at what price .
LG had, and maybe still have, the absolutely stunning Signature OLED R. It rolled down into its nice base when not in use. But it cost over $100k. And I think it was only 65 inches.
Can't get a 100inch oled in my dedicated loft so i'm very happy with my jvc projector alternative. Close enough imagewise as well. It all depends on the situation, budget etc...
You can debate all day but there is the EU
Here u can’t sell tvs bigger then 96 inch..
So for people like me ust/laser tvs are hot cakes..
Great video Villa😊
Thank you!
My thoughts exactly on bigger tv’s. Looking forward to seeing your 100” tv review.
I have never owned a projector but having owned various TVs over the years, i think large screen TVs are more likely to develop screen defects like Dirty screen effect, banding or some other panel issue over the span of few years (Also obviously , projectors are more durable as larger the TV, larger the risk of cracking it)
Was thinking the same thing with regard to DSE, especially with TCL and Hisense.
@@RobLescaille yeah, i own a TCL 65" c715 and it developed a dark spot on lower edge in about 30months of usage and i own another TCL 55" entry level model and it developed horrific Dirty screen effect in about 18months of use, And i think bigger the screen size, the risk of these defects grows exponentially
Not even close.... I can get a solid 120" crispy picture with a projector in the sub $1,000 range. Currently I have a 72" pull down projector screen in place of a TV. Gives me the option to have a clean fire place mantel or giant screen.
Which projector do you have just curious?
Who wants a two pound tv on the wall. No thanks. I’ll stick to my ust projector. Plus it goes up to 150 inches
Well done! I have been following numerous reviewers for the last four years and I think you covered all the - key points - as I get ready to replace my Sony 285es 4K projector for hopefully a JVC NP5 projector - but with a laser instead of a bulb. Fingers crossed JVC announces it this year?!? Overall, your review is very consistent regarding all the various choices a consumer needs to consider as to what would be the best choice for them. Way to go!
Great video. When are we going to see your new home theater?
When I actually put it together 😭
I was literally debating this topic 2 weeks ago. Noticing the price of LED tvs at the 100 to 85 inch come within the price of what 4k projectors are now (including screen and mounting hardware) it has seriously got me thinking about ditching my BenQ Tk 850. I have a dedicated movie room upstairs but I don't enjoy blacking out the room during the day and the heat and noise reduction would be super nice. For reference my room is 10 x 14 and I'm using a 100" screen with an 8 foot viewing distance to get a 45 deg edge to edge viewing angle.
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I use mine inside. And outside.epson home cinema 2350
Inside I gave a 100inch screen
Out back
12 feet tall by 24 feet wide
You ever considered an ALR screen? But yah I understand your point.
@@justinbeamon6624 Ambient light isn't an issue as I can completely darken the room. Unfortunately where the window is orientated the sunlight will shine directly on my screen if the window isn't concealed with blackout curtains. I think at this point I'm going to wait until we get to our forever home before I buy a large format TV as we move on average every 3 years.
I have a epson ls11000 paired with a 100 inch screen innovations light reflecting screen. Amd a 77 inch lg for the family room. I'm good
PROJECTORS WILL NEVER BE OBSOLETE! I LOVE MY THEATER!
Dont forget projectors are cheaper now, due competition between brands and technologies ( lamp, led and laser light sources ). I have a 4k tv on living room. In my bedroom, a simple Epson full hd fills the whole wall in front of the bed. For $400 only I have the world on my wall. I use a Roku stick conected to the pj. The lamp is $67 and lasts years. Im waiting for laser tecnology geting cheaper, like $600-800 so I can jump. The dark room, movie-theater atmosphere is very pleasant.
My viewsonic px727-4k ran me 479$ refurbished. My screen is 130+ it can go up to 300 though. Bulbs are a little pricey but they last 2 years. When my bulb finally blew I bought 2 so I'm good for the next 4 and even with that I'm still making out cheaper than if I bought a large format TV. Even spending 250-300 every four years it's still a deal because you figure every 5-8 you're gonna have to replace your TV anyway.
Hey villaman what do u think about the hisense c1 and xgimi horizon ultra max
I just upgraded to 135 inches with an LS12000. For me it's amaze balls.
Yeah you want a 110 inch micro LED if you have a fancy 30 MM LA home with a movie theatre.
At a 150 inches a mini-LED picture quality would be 100 times better. BUT a fool and his money are easily parted.
I love your content, been a subscriber for several years...My space will not accommodate a projector. Currently have a Samsung 65" (UN65MU800F). When I upgrade I will buy one of the 100"+ Mini LED's...
To me a projector is better than a big TV for these reasons:
1. A giant black rectangle (TV) looks tacky and dominates the room when not in use. A retractable projector screen looks better but even a still frame projector screen looks better because it's white and not black
2. With a projector, you can reduce the size of the screen if you want. For example you can watch movies at 120" but game at 55"
3. With a projector, you can use an acoustically transparent screen allowing you to have the center channel speaker right behind the screen. This makes the sound come directly from the screen rather than below the screen or above the screen which sounds more natural.
4. With a projector, it is easier to transport when you move and a lot easier to repair yourself or send in for repair if you need to.
I out my laser projector up on EBay last Friday after I watched a movie on the Apple Vision Pro on a 150 FOOT Screen!!!!
My AWOL LTV 3500 is waaay nicer amd more soothing to look at than my OLED. Once you see a quality UST you will never go back to the flashy reflective LED sceen. The idea with big screens are to have an immersive cinematic expereince not to turn your family room into Times Square. Use your LED's for bedrrooms and offices and your quality UST for you immersive experiences.
I agree the AWOL projectors are really nice, but HDR on a equally high end OLED is phenomenal
Any theater room updates???
Great video! I got my first OLED (C2 83") when they came out in 2022. For the same original price i can get the AWOL 150" UHD ust package with the cabinet and motorized screen lift... glad i didn't have to pick between the two. Need more USTs that support HDR10+ & Atmos.
I can carry the projector outside to the backyard. I can't and don't want to be carrying a 98" TV to the backyard😂
LCD illumination technology got evolved in the last 2 years...
When I was searching for my new TV, the highest local dimming segment count, which I found on the market here, was about 49.
And it was about twice the price of OLEDs.
Could you name TVs with the mentioned thousands of dimming zones?
100 inch TV under $2,500 is bonkers!
In time TV will only get larger & cheaper.
Din't Mitsubishi had a big lazer tv to compete with those DLP TVs?
They were only available in the USA, i begged Mitsubishi to import them in Europe, but they din't wont to do that.
+100 inch LCD TVs for $2000 with a lot of blooming, a not that great picture, blue light, need 2 people to place such tv, those who are living in an apartment, can get it up to the floor were they living, not to mention the high energy consumption of such TVs.
Now.... if only TV's would re-incorporate 3D support for those of us who still love bluray 3D.
A 98” tv has a better picture. I couldn’t get a tv of that size down my stairs.
Yup, the logistics of it would be a big problem for a lot of folks
What we need is a 120" Dolby Vision MiniLED or OLED for around $3000, without any speakers, or smart features. Most people will add a streaming media player or a 4K disk or HDD player to it.
Nope. Not until they can get to at least 130 inches and figure out how to do true acoustically transparent sound. Plus, a TV that big would be really hard to get in the house, install, service and replace. Not to mention the incredible heat they would create in the room. Lastly, they're just not cinematic like a projector reflecting off a screen.
I have no screens except for my 17" 1080P laptop, but very interested to get a large curve monitor (might do sim racing) for multitasking and casual YT viewing, and a large "TV" for on the wall, to enjoy walking around and hanging on the couch.
The miniLEDs in the store look pretty epic to my noob eyes. The resolutions are quite impressive. Do people use those to swaitch up the work flow, have multiple screens, do writing from the couch with longer focal point view, that sort of thing? Is casting from phone or laptop convenient nowadays, or still plug in hell?
While perhaps most consumers don't really care much about it, one area where the large format TVs also excel is also with the high dynamic range and Dolby Vision capabilities as well as much quicker implementation of the higher resolution content, such as 8K. Projectors always lag painfully so far behind in these areas because of the hardware limitations, particularly at a price point.
However, in a dedicated home theater, even a 100"-115" TV may not be adequate for a truly immersive cinematic experience. And, something that isn't addressed much because TV sizes large enough to be useful in a dedicated theater is just now happening, the negative effects on audio from a TV screen is a consideration. The horizontal center channel below a large sonically reflective panel is far inferior to the audible sound stage of three identical towers behind an acoustically transparent screen with appropriately designed absorption/diffusion on the front wall.
So I'm not convinced large panel TVs will replace front projection systems because those are for a different experience. But they could give the UST market, which competes more directly with TVs than front projectors, a run for the money. Both UST and TV tend to be utilized in multi-function rooms and non-dedicated, non-light controlled HT spaces . There's plenty of room for both though so it is exciting.
JUST PURCHASED THE LG G3 77IN IN SEPT. I ASSUMED MY NEXT TV WOULD BE A LASER TO GET OVER THAT 100IN THRESHOLD BUT NOW IM NOT SO SURE
A $1k projector is a lot of inches of crisp hd image. Projector still alive. CES has a lot offered
I love my Xgimi Horizon Pro short throw projector, it has incredible viewing angles and the picture quality is INCREDIBLE. Besides, not everyone is looking for the latest and greatest. I don't have to worry about hanging some large TV on my wall and I can take my projector with me whiles I travel the world.
Can’t argue with that
Projectors arent going anywhere anytime soon. I got my viewsonic 4K pxp 727 for under 500$ refurbished. My screen is 130+ inches in my living room and I just need a bigger room for a bigger image (it can go up to 300") TVs wont be catching up to that size at that price anytime soon.
A DLP projector gives movies that "special look" that you just cannot replicate with anything else.
I have a 4K Projector in my living room with a 150inch screen and a 77inch oled. I will probably not go larger for a normal tv. i also watch retro series, game on older consoles etc on that screen. That looks hidious in the beamer or larger screens. I dont have the need to watch everything on 150inch :)
TV's that will be the size of 120 inch to 150inch Ultra Short Throws won't be the price of current line of most affordable UST Projectors $3000-$5000 especially those that come with screens like with Hisense and AWOL won't be at those prices for years at least 4-5 years
I am totally looking forward to larger TVs I have a 77 inch OLED and I want at least a 100 inches. I think LEDs, mini-LED and OLEDs are moving into the projection space. Last years mini-LEDs were awesome!
I was thinking about this last week. With such big tvs for the same price as an ultra short throw could this be the beginning of the end for them. I’m sure the tcl sold a lot of tvs at that price and at that price something people won’t return
98" ain't shit. My viewsonic px727-4k can go up to 300" and it only cost me 479$ refurbished. USTs are just going to get bigger and they will probably do so faster than the large format TVs can keep up. Not to mention practicality at a certain point you won't be able to get a large TV through the average front door. A projector fits in a backpack.
Projectors can be versatile and moved from room to room, though a 100 inch tv may be difficult to manoeuvre even in an allocated room, they both have their plus and minuses plus UST projectors are getting better and better each year also , I think there’s room for tvs and home cinema projectors in the market for many years ahead
Projectors are here for good but tvs are out
Well, thing is - 98" does not mark the end for USTs. I have the "Samsung The Premiere" at 120", and it replaces going to the movie theater.
There’s going to be a 115” TCL this year. How would you feel about that?
My veiwsonic goes upto 300" but I can only get 130"+ in my living room.
@@tHAvIlLaMaN
That TCL TV costs $20,000.00. Very few People will spend $20,000.00 on a TV.
I have a 150 inch Screen in my Home Theater.
A 115 inch TV will Not come close to my Home Theater Experience with my 150 inch Screen and my True 4K LG Cinebeam Projector.
TVs are Way too Bright to watch in the Dark. TVs are Engineered to be Watched with the Lights on. Projectors are Engineered to be Watched in the Dark. The 2 Technologies are Vastly different.
My 75 inch TV is way too Bright 🌞😎 to Watch without having the lights on. People will ruin their vision watching Large Screen TV's in the Dark.
Logistics is a serious issue
Interesting take on the topic Cleveland. I finished editing a video on this subject only yesterday - scheduled but not published - you raised some interesting points, I still think there is a place for them but very dependant on your setup. I'm not a fan of televisions personally - I only watch on projectors now especially for the center speaker to have prominence.
I agree I have a Vava Chroma and there are a handful of reasons why I could see upgrading to a tv as the prices come down. However, if there were a light rejecting screen up to the size of 150” That would hold off any argument for a few more years.
Interesting video: I currently have a 125" screen that I project onto from a Panasonic projector. The Panasonic can put out a superb picture and differences in source quality are quite apparent (I use an OPPO top of the Line BD205 player, alas no longer available). However, the Panasonic projector has a lamp and over time that lamp will dim and change the color, contrast, and black levels. in addition, I have to constantly be concerned about exact focus and ensuring the image fits the screen from corner-to-corner without keystone effects. And of course, I can't view my projector in ambient light (not that I really want to) if I wanted to. So obviously with a projector there are gotchas. I also have a 70" flat panel that can put out a spectacular image as well, but it's not film-like as the projector can be. However, though I prefer to watch movies in the larger format of my 125" screen using my Panasonic projector (3D is not important to me), I also can enjoy movies viewed on my 70" flat panel. So I can forgo the film-like quality if I could get a flat-panel of at least 120" (I don't mind losing 5" on viewing area) that could put out a color-accurate picture with really deep black levels and great contrast and clarity. The HiSense and TCL models you mention are very interesting and I will be looking forward to learning about them in 2024. It would be great if you could do a review of such models when and if possible. You raised some valid points about size vs value, so these forthcoming large flat-panels should be really interesting. Thanks!
One more comment: the calibration out of the box for my TCL TV was horrible. Highly recommend checking RUclips for setting recommendations. Makes a big difference!!!
Projectors will remain forever until the mankind last. Why? Because easier on maintenance. Large TV will be environmentally a big problem. Huge electricity bills.
I hope projectors continue trending, they are cheaper, and you can carry and project anywhere.
True words
Imo Both will co exist like they always did projectors are also getting better and cheaper,
Easier to carry around easier to move easier to put anywhere, autofocus and Auto keystone is making it's way to budget projectors,
Let's agree to disagree, they will mever become obsolete, respect your take and opinion though keep it up
Still relevant for large screen 3d
Where are the 120"+ Flexible Micro-LED or OLED's that I can hang from the ceiling and roll up out of the way like a projector screen? Haven't even seen a prototype of that. That's what I want. That would solve the shipping weight and size constraints of such large displays, and free up your wall space when not in use. I realize it would be insanely expensive at the moment, but somebody needs to start developing it.
Don't exist yet for the general public. If you want one it's gonna be 5K
@@jerometruitt2731 5K would actually be reasonable. I'd pay that. I'm sure it will be closer to $20K. My point is though, where are the prototypes? I've only seen a few small TV's that roll up, but they took a huge footprint of floor space.
If they made the large format miniLED TVs _modular_ where you could "lego" them together and still create a visually-seamless screen when assembled, this would make it cost-efficient to replace bad panels as needed, as well as give the tech portability options for the first time.
They do. But it’s very expensive.
I'm a holdout for 3D so if I can get a UST that would be my preference.
3D has been dying for a long time, unfortunately
@@tHAvIlLaMaNtry 3D films on the Vision Pro. That‘s the real game changer for me.
@@tHAvIlLaMaNNot in projection only in TV's
As someone who is finishing my basement right now with a dedicated home theater space, this is good information. I have my ceiling being wired now for an older style projector just in case, but I havent decided between this type or ultra short throw laser. Now this adds another possibility into the mix 😂.
I will say that i refuse to buy another TCL or Hisense due to bad experiences with both, so if any of the big name tv makers put out 100+ inch screens over the next couple years then it'll definitely be on my radar.
we couldnt even get tvs that size into our theater room in the basement so will be projectors for life for us hehe. only have a 110 inch screen (due to limited space/shape in the basement), but still nice. planning to get a jvc laser projector later this year...
@@StarFyreXXX That would be another consideration as well. I'm sure I'd have to take 100 inch tv out of the box before going down
I guess for TVs to commonly get 100 inches or larger the price of these rolling OLEDs needs to drop. You're going to have to roll up a 120+ inch screen to get it in your door!
tv's will not get any bigger than 130 inches for probably a long while because there is only 1 factory right now that can make these screen sizes at 130 inches and that is the max.. Any home can fit a 130 inch tv through the door, the problem is lifting the box up. You would want a 9 foot ceiling or higher, or you will have to do the unboxing outside
My theater is 20ft wide.
4k Laser projectors are good.
Haha yea, you’d need something 150” or larger for sure
If they adjust/ lower the prices of UST projectors or any projector for that matter without compromising on quality they should be okay. And of course lower prices on screens. Keep up with the technology , R & D will make the difference as well.
It seems most reviewers ignore the giant elephant in the room with UST's, where do you put the center channel? Think about it, above the screen, nope not gonna work. On the floor as the projector is usually a foot or two off the floor, nope. Maybe if the UST could be ceiling mounted with an inversion setting akin to traditional front projectors then MAYBE it would work. The HTA 9 could work as it has a phantom center but that's about it. I think the days of UST are numbered.
Great point. That’s why I went with projector with a really short throw (LG), and even then my speaker was 6 inches off the floor
If you have the ceiling space most get around this fairly easily by having the center just above or below the usp in a cabinet
I think USTs are a niche market and generally provide a quick big picture setup. For someone truly into home cinema a projector and a perforated screen where the speakers can be placed behind the screen at correct height and angles is better suited for those enthusiasts who want the true HT experience.
My problem is idc how big the screen is I can’t go back to led tvs oled ruined it for me unfortunately big oleds are still Uber expensive I’d love a laser ultra short throw projector but those again are $$$
Dream on you can't buy a 150 inch regular tv. Projectors are getting cheaper. Tvs may become obsolete as projectors are easier to move and can be recycled.
Sorry I can't see myself spending anywhere from $5,000 all the way up to $220,000 for a TV but I can see myself spending maybe $2,000 - $3,000 on a ultra short throw projector
What if the TV costs $2000-3000 like some of them do now?
I own a 98” TV and looked at UST projectors before making my decision.
Your points are good, but the decision points for most people is a lot more clear than you make it.
1) Cost: At 98” or less, usually with the TV set on sale like the one you showed in your video, the overwhelming advantage goes to the large TV. These TVs are cost competitive or cheaper than their UST alternatives.
2) Setup: slight advantage to USTs: TVs this size have to be carefully mounted on walls as they are simply too wide to fit on most furniture. For most of us, that is paying for mounting. By contrast, one could mount a screen on their own and calibrate the UST for the screen
3) Versatility: TV. USTs have minimum requirements for distance from the back wall.
4) Connections: TV. TVs offer all the connections you could possibly need. Also, if you have an existing surround system with a center channel, the UST is in the way. Yes USTs, come with speakers, but they hardly compare with good center channels.
Overall, I think anyone looking for a screen size of 98” or less will probably be best served with a TV. It works in more environments in terms of lighting, etc. Over 98”, the nod goes to USTs. Yes, TCL is coming out with a 115” TV this year, but no one expects it to be anywhere close to the price of a 98” TV. The price drop on these big TVs has been nothing short of stunning
Idk all I know I have a normal projector and my screen size is 250 inches when I tell you watching movies on it or whatching TV shows or playing games on it is way better than doing any of that on my 75 inch tv
@@allanwillwerth7166 And I would not disagree with you. I went from a 65” OLED to my 98” TV. Is the picture as good as the OLED? No. But the picture is not bad and the added screen size more than makes up for any loss in screen resolution.
II said that TVs work best for most people at 98” and smaller. Above 100”, the advantages clearly go to projectors. What is striking is that just a year ago, the discounts you saw on the larger TVs was at 65”. Sales on TVs larger than that were few (if any). Now we are seeing major discounts on 98” TVs! Wild!!!!
Wouldn’t your center channel sound be more and more disjoint? Farther from where the voice should be coming from…the bigger the screen gets. Advantage acoustically transparent screen… I guess it’s all preference. ❤
That’s true, especially with most processors/receiver. I experienced that with my Denon, but the Trinnov eliminated that issue. Center channel placement constraints is a real downside though
JVC / Sony fan noise in “high-mode” in its current laser projectors is a serious issue! So much so, it caused me to delay my purchase to replace my current 2018 Sony 285es. Rated 26db-ish in low mode with no mention of what it is high mode. But now we know . . . it’s typically DOUBLE: 45 to 50db or more. That is way too loud for a dedicated theatre room space. My 285es fan is lower and acceptable in high mode so I fail to understand why this can’t be done for laser fan projectors. I expect there will be a refresh of Sony and JVC’s projectors this year at CEDIA? I am “hoping” this issue gets fixed . . . along with other issues that other vloggers have mentioned over the past two years.
Nothing ends. Which one will win, it depends. It depends which tech manage to drive down price faster for the size, features. But long term, large displays will slowly decline vs micro OLED glasses. Old people will not get this but younger generation will, think earphones/headphones but for the eyes.
Projectors have had huge peicw reductions in last 6 monts..you can now get native 4k for under 5000
I was just in the market and went with the NEXIGO AURORA PRO definitely worth it.
Who in their right mind is going to pay $220,000 for a 146 inch or so TV
Rich people or older men who are going to die in a few years anyways and don't care to give their money to anybody else
I like to watch movies at home like i experience them in the theater - on a projected screen. When i watch a movie I love it looks different when i watch it on my oled compaured to my UST. I don't experience it at the theater with oled blacks, 1000 nits of HDR searing my eyes or ultra vivid colors. Then you turn on film maker mode to turn all that down to projector levels. Kind of funny. Now sports i'll take my oled but movies im a projector for life. Or until they show movies on giant 2:35 aspect micro oled walls at the theater.
dim picture and no HDR w projectors? love that 98+ sizes are coming down to such reasonable prices
epson home cinema 2350
And a brightness of 2800 ansi lumens.
HDR 10
Screen 40 to 300 and up to 500 inches in a dark environment.
And I own one and love it. 1200
But a much better buy than buying a 85-in TV for the same price.
The bad cheap projectors, yes. But many new projectors have incredible HDR and great picture now. At the same time, I would still buy a 98 inch TV with their prices. 120 inch and more then I would choose a projector.
Yeah, with TV sizes getting this large now I don't see any reason to get a new projector.
Price per inch?
Good luck finding a 120inch TV under 2k.
Portability.
Personally can't stand having a huge black rectangle engulfing and taking over my living room when it's off. I bought a 65 in TV and regretted it. Would rather have a 100in image and a clean space.
Maybe theirs a niche for white screen curtains?
There is a massive difference in 100" to 120". Honestly 100 inches is literally small
@@diamond4829 my how times have changed when 100in is considered small and I grew up playing Legend of Zelda on a 14in tv.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one and I've heard these arguments before. I have an 80 inch in my bedroom and I see myself going to 100 inch to replace it. But my first projector screen was only 100" inches when I lived in a apartment years ago and honestly, it's just too small. I run a 120 now in the house and have been happy with it for the last 15 years .....but ....I'm now itching for a 130 or 150. And most of all ..... your TV is going to last what, 7 years ? You get way more mileage out of a projector. And a 100 inch TV will be a bitch to move into anywhere. Anything bigger .... you'd have to live in a mansion.
I disagree. I bought the Hisense U76 100 inch for a Tiny 800 square foot rancher I live in.. Moving it in was easy.. They unboxed it outside and said it up for free. Moving it in the future will be annoying obviously, but just needs to be done correctly. People like you are so dumb and all you do is just talk out your ass. Keep on breathing in them projector copium fumes
What about the convenience factor for somewhere you want a screen but not all the time?
This is the real buying factor right?
Where have you been?
Trying to get my house sorted out, mostly
There's no way standing at the gates of hades I'd throw any money at TCL or Hisense. It's budget friendly when you're spending under $600 out of sale season or superbowl weekend. But when you seriouly look at investing over a grand or more you should not accept caveats at those higher price points, color accuracy and viewpoints still matter do they not.
Got some audio issues at the 1 minute mark, my dude
Yea, I goofed 🤦🏾♂️